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I'm curious to know how transwomen get their hips? whether through implants? hormones? surgery? exercise? etc...
I'm wondering as I've always thought I should look more androgynous, have always been lying in the bath and looked down at my hips and thought "That's how they should look" (the water made my hips look bigger).
Just wondering what peoples views, thoughts, ideas are...
regards,
kieron
we don't. nearly all girls if you can get a straight shot of them, medical style, you can tell their shoulders are wider than their hips ~ standard among males, rare among females.
of course, we do grow waists, butts and thighs from the hormones moving fat around but bones don't go anywhere.
hip implants are rare but have been done. fat injections are often quickly reabsorbed. silicone injections have been done but are not legal in the us and you run the risk of permanent disfiguration and death.
mainly though, it's simply an illusion ~ the fat covers the bone and a waist develops, which makes the hips look more significant.
if anyone has better ideas, let me know!
silicone
I always thought it was good ole fashioned southern cooking, guess I was wrong
It is from silicone injections directly into the tissues. Generally done outside the purview of medical supervision. Those curves don't come from hormones or "special exercises". This practice is illegal in the USA and considered unsafe. There are many horror stories associated with "pumping parties" .Quote:
Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
http://www.tsroadmap.com/physical/si...one-death.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4647349
http://www.rsna.org/rsna/media/pr200...cosmetic-2.cfm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/57772.php
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Originally Posted by JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel
Well, that's how I got my thighs >.<
sweetie theres a HUGE difference between hips and thighs... just fyiQuote:
Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
There is no other way to develop hips and the ass you see on many of the shapely models without silicone injections. No matter how much hormones you take, or how much excercise you do- you will not develop hips. And unless you have genes for a good ass- that is unlikely to look like a female ass without some help as well.
amen sistah! ^^
::does the plastic robot around the room::
Silicone is HUGE here in Texas as the border is so close and girls go over and bring some back for what they call cone parties.
I have a TS friend that found a DR in Mexico that will inject medical silicone and I am suppose to go with her on the 16th of August. If the DR is cool and all is right I will let y'all have the contact.
A friend of mine in Brazil says siliconer for the girls there is a must. HOWEVER there are many girls that start mones at 12-14 years old and they seen to get a good shape. But like all TS's on mones heridtty is the major factor.
Someone mentioned hip size to shoulder size. One of the 1st post-op I lived with way back in the 70's had her hips pumped before her tits for just that reason. After SRS she became one of the top strippers on the circut and even re-opened the Follies in San francisco as the feature girl.
So the hip and shoulder thing worked because she knew what she wanted donre to her body.
this always interests me.
just how dangerous are hip injections?
ummm... yeah... i know... you missed the joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
You know how women with silicone breast implants were getting cancer and dying from leaky sacks in the 80s and 90s? Then they switched to saline and now they have better sacks. Well, injections do away with the whole sack idea and just shove deadly plastics directly into your body in the name of beauty.Quote:
Originally Posted by trapmasta
Every year women, especially trans women, die from the procedure. It's often done in living rooms because it's illegal in the US so you can't just get go to a plastic surgeon and have it done. So women go to Tijuana or have an underground person do it (akin to a cutter).
If you hit a blood vessel, silicone will go to your brain and you will get a stroke. If it goes to your heart, you will get a heart attack. If it stays put, you might be able to survive long enough that you will only suffer permanent disfigurement.
I've talked to trans women who've had it done multiple times and who love it. I say come back to me in twenty years and tell me that. It'll be worse than a stretched and faded tattoo.
nicely illustrated...
nothing is as nicely illustrated as your avatar... lol everytime i see it lol -jQuote:
Originally Posted by whatislove
Piggy-backing on what Zoe, Alannah, and Roy have stated, I would say
that there are many factors impacting on a womens hip size;
There is heriditary, there is the effects that HRT has had on your over-all
fat re-distribution. Liposuction and exercise can be used to further
enhance waist to hip definition.
On the topic of Silicon injection, or pumping, I must admit I am somewhat
conficted, even though I have utilized it. I have re-posted my experience,
and further info on Silicon pumping may be found here.
Back in the day, prior to getting breast augmentation I had silicon
injected in to my breasts, some of which floated a bit and made a
few relatively small nodules and also caused a fatty deposit under
my breast, nothing major nor life threatening, and it's something
only we girls would have noticed.
I have had silicon injected into the hips and buttocks. I also have
had medical grade silicon injected into my face. I was very
fortunate that in none of these instances, did the silicon migrate and
cause problems.
If I had it to do over again, I would make different cosmetic choices.
Having small amounts of medical grade silicon used to fill out facial
wrinkles, creases and furrows, "sunken" cheeks, skin depressions
and some types of scars, shouldn't be problematic if performed by a
reputable physician. However now the recommended course of
treatment would be collagen or fat harvested from other parts of the
body.
As to the breasts, I tend to think that silicon or saline implants
would be the way to go. You will find that a breast augmentation
procedure isn't that costly, and I am sure that you will be able
to find a good doctor in your area.
Even though most of my work has been done by either Park Ave
(New York), Brazilian, or Thai doctors who were extremely
competent, I still found that I have had to tweak the results
a bit to get the image that I have in my head as to how I want
my body to look.
Recently I underwent 7 point lipo, that 7 th point was to diminish
the fatty deposit from the sil. The lipo went well, but the fatty
deposit is still somewhat there, I think I am going to have
my 'boys in Brazil' or perhaps my Thai doctors have a crack
at it.
Thus if you are only concerned about small areas on your face, then
that may be a consideration, but as to the massive amounts of
questionable grade silicon pumped by non reputable individuals, that
would not be a viable option or recommendation, in my experienced
opinion.
While the possibility of obtaining the desired aesthetic results is fair, the
possibility of permanent disfigurement and loss of life can not be
overlooked.
Actually sometimes there is a way if you start early on the mones... I started mine on and off at 15, and was taking full dosage every day by 17. My hip area though not 100% female is looking more and more like GG hips every day, so I think there's an exception if you start somewhat early on mones in life, that you are tiny and have good genes to begin with, and that you patiently allow your body to develop the full 5-6 years through the mock puberty (esp. more so if you start early and don't have a full male puberty, if any at all...). I guess it's always circumstantial. My hips at this point are only an inch and a half a way from being porportionate to my shoulders, and I have at least 2 more years to go before I am doing any serious procedures.Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
However, I am a firm believer now that if nature can't and wont give you the body you want, or if it needs to be and can be enhanced then by all means go for it! However I think that should always done by the safest and most reputable practioners possible and that your body should never really be subjected to budgeted, discounted, boot leg surgery and procedures. There's nothing cute about boot leg silicone and/or surgery.
On the subject of silicone hips, and enhanced bodies I will say that I think your body is the best example of enhancements done right, because there's definatley a right and wrong way to go about enhancing yourself! And I am never one to compliment if I truly don't mean it, I think that's just tired, and I like being real.
Anyway enough babbling on my part. Hooray for hot bodies whether natural or enhanced :claps
However most of these girls are getting it done by un-qualified practicioners using non-medical grade silicone or medical grade cut with something. In essence medical grade silicone done in extremely tiny amounts, a method called microdroplets can and will be encapsulated by your body with scar tissue and collagen (fibroblasts). With silicone implants mass amounts of silicone was being exposed by the implant popping, not tiny amounts your body can handle. It ALWAYS should be done in a very very small amount and over an extended period of time so that your body has the time to encapsulate it before it moves to other places. Hitting a vein is easily avoided by anyone with medical knowledge by drawing back and waiting to see if blood appears in the syringe. Silicone should never be a FILLER it should always be done in such a small amoutn that you do not notice a change right away, but within a months time when your own body's tissue has responded to the foreign substance with tissue and collagen, the natural makeup of curves!Quote:
Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
So in essence it can be done right and safely, however in the world of poor, un-educated transsexuals in sex work in need of a quick fix, it's often done in unsanitary conditions by hardly qualified people and with substances far from medical grade silicone.
The only manufactured silicone for medical grade is Silicone 1000, and Adatosil 5000 which is FDA approved for detached retinas. However there's also a rule by the FDA that a medical doctor can use any medicine approved by the FDA in a therapeutic manner as long as it comes out safe... Because of the bad rap that silicone has gotten however many doctors who actually do silicone injections do not advertise it, it has to be done hush hush.
I think the key is to have educated and qualified people doing it, that you are always educated about ANY procedure you get (because even modern surgery runs the risk of death and other complications), that you make positively sure that you are getting the best grade of silicone, and that it is done in very tiny amounts that bring no immediate change, otherwise it WILL fall and your body will not have enough time to encapsulate it.
A lot of stuff goes into it! I know that Amanda Lepore has has silicone injections done in very small amounts for the past 20 years and that she has gotten the best grade, by someone qualified and in very tiny amounts or so she says. She has also had it for at least 20 years and it still looks good.
http://cache.gawker.com/partyphoto/HEATHamanda2.jpg
Amanda Lepore.
estrogen works to alter fat deposit placement, so what Gianna says seem quite plausible. Even tho, fat deposit is not the only factor involved.
so princess you think that hip injections are good, and long term healthy if done tha right way? interesting.
my fav ts are hip injected/butt injected ....
but tgirlzoe you dont think it is?
hm...
im just saying why is it that so many girls die from it
whereares so many others survive?
is it cause they have more money?
even if they did, its still illegal and i dont think a doctor makin hundreds of thousands a year would risk a 5000 dollar job for his license cause of an illegal practice.
is there a clear cut safe way of getting the hip/butt injections done?
how much and where would you do it?
man trapmasta i see these two girls all the time down here and in person it aint quite the same..madison is fine as hell tho-....
i've seen some "cealed" up booties in person and that shit looks hot...
well I'm new to this and have been thinking of getting my hips and ass done, my breasts are 38DDD, just unsure who to approach and who will do a great job on the ass and hips. Im aware its illegal here, can anyone help is this regard.
Kira Harden
That's true. I didn't start mones until 19 instead of 16 like I should have (6 years later and my parents still don't accept me, I've been fighting with them all my life, shouldn't have ever tried waiting for them to come around... grr....)*Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessaGianna
I have the opposite philosophy, I believe in nature. Now nature didn't make estradiol but it's just my body being triggered to do what it would have done had my gonads become ovaries and not testes. Plastic surgery creeps me out.Quote:
However, I am a firm believer now that if nature can't and wont give you the body you want, or if it needs to be and can be enhanced then by all means go for it!
~~~
* - My apologies for the rant, my mom emailed me last night, yup I'm still an abomination before God... We've gone through this my whole life, they have to give up at some point...
That is a complete incorrect statement about silicone breast implants. They were NEVER accused or proven to cause cancer. Some people claimed that they caused auto immune disorders like Lupus. That is why they were taken off the market in the USA ONLY. Complete and utter nonesene.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
That has never been proven- and there is no scientiffic proof that
silicone implants cause the body ant harm or disease.
Most women, trans or GG, have serious problems with migration, whether in their lips or hips or butt. It has nothing to do with the quality of the silicone or the experience of the doctor. Your body simply does not approve of shoving plastic goo into your body. It tries to deal the best it can with it, including pushing it out your pores (on lips, this can appear noticeably as tiny white spots).Quote:
Originally Posted by PrincessaGianna
Anyway, the microdrops of silicone aren't what we're talking about, those are used in the cheeks and lips. We're talking about large amounts of silicone pumped into butts and hips.
Here is an interesting blog entry by a plastic surgeon regarding silicone injections.
Breast implants you can take out if something goes wrong (and it often does, a lot of women end up getting them redone after a few years or just taken out altogether) but silicone injections are forever and when it breaks you get to keep both pieces.
Mea culpa, I was going from memory about why they pulled them off the market... everything causes cancer these days, you know ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by AllanahStarrNYC
Silicone hips....YUCK! Unsightly, unnatural feel, overdone most times....
a little thing i call sili-water,,lol... silicone is great but ive seen girls who have damaged themselves with wanting to aquire tooo much all at once. Its a great way to aquire the shape you want but i feel its best if you do things moderatelly ,then,, put a whole amout at once. Some girls dont realize,, but gravity does exist.
I am not a T girl Obviously so I am not talking from first hand experience but I have been in the "Circle" of the Los Angeles/San Francisco TS world for about 15 yrs everyday 24/7. I was in a LTR with a Latina TS showgirl and one of our very good friends was a person that injected others with "Silicone"...sometimes... But when someone couldn't find silicone they often substituted for Mineral Oil, Commercial Industrial Oils, and even Mazola Corn Oil ( I am not making this up and the Latinas out there know this is true) There were others who did the injections also and several girls have died. Our friend went to jail for attempted murder but it was eventually dropped to ADW and she did about 9 months altogether.When the injection is not done correctly and it finds its way into the blood stream and eventually the respiratory system (lungs) there is NOTHING any doctor can do to save you. Usually the person feels disoriented at first unable to think or speak with any sense or focus and soon (within 24hrs ) they go into a coma and die. It is all for the Vanity and Pride that is fueled by greed and monetary opportunity...aka INSTANT FEMINIZATION !! for many hormones will take too long so the start rounding and shaping and disfiguring and soon what had potential for beauty is hideous!! I am adamantly opposed to injections, I have had several friends die from the silicone that seeped into their lungs (the drowned in silicone) and the sad part is they were already beautiful but then again I am not a trick or a john wanting "Jessica Rabbit" to swagger in and Fuck me stupid because this is the catalyst for the girls to achieve that look because men pay for it!
Are there any other alternatives to silicoln injections out there? What about hip and butt implants? How do those look and feel? I am 6-3 185lbs, 38DDD-32-42 being that tall, is it better to be more on the slender side vs getting to large or hips/butt. vs the shorter girls who may be able to carry the shapely fiqure better
Kira
im shorter then you kira *5'11''* and id say to be "passable" we have to be really slender but w/ large breasts and asses to balance us out... when youre shorter and curvy... you tend to just look fat... embrace your height as theres nothing you can do to change it ;)
Hormones have definitely helped redistribute fat to my hips and butt. But I won't do the silicone thing.
I agree with the poster who said we can accumulate fat around our hips but bone structure doesn't change. All the more reason to have a thin waist.
I'll tell you now. Excessive gyming doesn't work. You kind of just stay the same but can run further. :)
The one thing I think I will have done next is liposuction. But from where? It's like every person that I mention it to they look at me as if I'm totally mad. I'm stick thin anyway with a..... (measuring) 36D-26-37 frame and 5'8" tall. BMI is between 20 and 21.
It would be from where the love handles/saddle bags are at my lower back to create the illusion. They are the ONE place that I've never managed to tone up, it's practically impossible and I've tried and tried and tried. Leaving liposuction as the only remaining option.
To bring it into perspective, 6-years ago I was about 224lbs, and am now 140lbs. My stomach is riddled with stretch marks. That's how much I tried, by losing almost half my body weight.
When I go to the gym Jen, I just look at a picture of you before I go and curse you Bitch-Bitch-Bitch. It usually works. :-) While I may not have your curves, I could definitely outrun all of you. :twisted:
That's what you've done to me!!!! :P
im ASSuming you mean paris b/c thats who i curse at when im working out tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Alison Faraday
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Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
Upthread I mentioned that nodules had formed beneath my breasts, afterQuote:
Originally Posted by world famous Beverly Hills Plastic and Cosmetic Surgeon, Francis R. Palmer III, M.D., F.A.C.S
silicon injections, and prior to breast augmentation.
As Dr. Palmer has pointed out these are benign tumors, and other than
being aesthetically displeasing, they are not injurious to my health.
Zoe, I think I am going to have to beg to differ with your statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by tgirlzoe
While indeed some women both trans and natal have experienced
problems with silicon injections, I would feel safe in saying that they would
not be in the majority.
Again, without being redundant, I believe the problem occurs with women
having extremely large quantities of questionable grade substances
injected or pumped into them by untrained and unqualified individuals,
Further, the areas that are pumped; the cheeks, lips, breast, are areas
that if the silicon migrates could indeed cause major problems both
physiologically and aesthetically.
For treatment in those areas I would maintain my position that there are
better treatment options.
With silicon injections to the the buttocks and hips there may not be the
same migration issues. Also, if the silicon migrates it for the most part will
not migrate to areas where vital organs reside.
In summation, silicon injection to those areas, in moderate doses, by a
competent professional, of medical grade silicon may be a viable option
for cosmetic enhncement of the hips, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by KiraHarden_TS
As I always say your mileage may vary. :shrugQuote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
There are tall women who are very thin, waif like, model thin, flat chested
and very slim in the hips.
Then there are tall women who are voluptuous, large breasts, large
hips, etc.
I think variables like your bone structure or the look that you are striving
for needs to to be carefully thought out with you and your surgeon.
Bottom line all 5' 11" - 6' 3" women do not look alike.
As to your original question, hip and or buttocks implants are a
consideration for some women.
As a women of color they weren't an option for me, as I am prone to
keloiding.
I'm sure some of the folks reading this have painted, played an instrumentQuote:
Originally Posted by Alison Faraday
or sang, perhaps they are Mistresses of the spoken word.
As such sometimes the word not spoken or the note not played is what
makes something a work of art.
In other words, 'sometimes less is more'.
Instead of adding inches to the hips, women may want to consider
decreasing inches around the waistline, which may serve to create the
feminine physique.
Noooo, I mean you!!! :-) I don't know Jennifer Paris to talk to so base no decision on her actions. But you I do know. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by tsntx
Definitely!!Quote:
Originally Posted by peggygee
But saying that, what is the feminine physique? I know that even my humble figure is the envy of many a genetic girl. They tell me so!! :-)