Love and Lust

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

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Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?

I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.

You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.

You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.

That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.

i feel you vickie i uderstand where your coming from but the sad truth is it donest happen to many of us when we do find it love that is one of us fuckes it up mostely its the guys fault but im sure there are cases of the girl but i dont know ive learned to not look for it any more to just waite live your life and it will happen sometime when your not even thinking about it someone great someone wonderful will walk right in toyour life and youll be happy untill then the sad thing is we have to deal with these losers who love us use us and leave us for the next wanna be best thing ....so many girls are jaded and bitchy these days only because they have given all they have all of there heart and got it broken by some asshole who doesnt care about the real you he only wants to make a buck of you . so many of us are looked at now adays not even as woman but as something shiny to put on the mantle lol or sell on ebay were not even looked at like a person but more of an object well thats a small piece of how i feel but trust me there is love out there we just havent found it yet....... i havent lost hope i hope you havent...
xoxoxo
Holly Sweet

I think the board is fine BUT I will say that the recent posts "lovefuck me with you lovecock" and "I would love to suck the semen out of your jewcock" have taken this board right in line with comedycentral.com. I've only had what I consider to be serious relationships with 2 t's and I don't wish to repeat.

Not saying that all trans-women are unstable, needy, manipulative, back-biting scum... but the ones I dated have been.

I'll get bashed for saying this, but the stable, well-rounded t is a rarity, hard to find. Damn, that sounds kinda mean but maybe it's just the ones that I know.

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Originally Posted by hondarobot

Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?
I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.
You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.
You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.
That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.

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I triple dog dare you to ask her whether there's a chance, and then accept the answer. If she says yes, I'll play the wedding for free. If she says no, then I get to fly down to Phoenix and take a crack. You'll pardon the expression.

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Originally Posted by hollysweet

i feel you vickie i uderstand where your coming from but the sad truth is it donest happen to many of us when we do find it love that is one of us fuckes it up mostely its the guys fault but im sure there are cases of the girl but i dont know ive learned to not look for it any more to just waite live your life and it will happen sometime when your not even thinking about it someone great someone wonderful will walk right in toyour life and youll be happy untill then the sad thing is we have to deal with these losers who love us use us and leave us for the next wanna be best thing ....so many girls are jaded and bitchy these days only because they have given all they have all of there heart and got it broken by some asshole who doesnt care about the real you he only wants to make a buck of you . so many of us are looked at now adays not even as woman but as something shiny to put on the mantle lol or sell on ebay were not even looked at like a person but more of an object well thats a small piece of how i feel but trust me there is love out there we just havent found it yet....... i havent lost hope i hope you havent...
xoxoxo
Holly Sweet

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I just want someone that i can get to know and someone that i can have sex with as a bonus as part of the relationship...knowing the person, loving the person, and doing anything you can possibly do for that person should surpass anything and everything else there is.

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Originally Posted by hondarobot

Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?
I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.
You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.
You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.
That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.

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I triple dog dare you to ask her whether there's a chance, and then accept the answer. If she says yes, I'll play the wedding for free. If she says no, then I get to fly down to Phoenix and take a crack. You'll pardon the expression.

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Suckseed, stop posting in regards to this subject. You seem like a decent guy but really, this has nothing to do with you.

I'd also like to add the words of Shiek Allah Akbar Ayatollah Louie DePalma.

Lahtka: Lust?

Louie: Yes! "Lust is better than love!"

i dont blame you at all i mean you girls have to be wary of who you let in and who you dont

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Originally Posted by hondarobot

Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?
I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.
You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.
You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.
That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.

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I triple dog dare you to ask her whether there's a chance, and then accept the answer. If she says yes, I'll play the wedding for free. If she says no, then I get to fly down to Phoenix and take a crack. You'll pardon the expression.

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Suckseed, stop posting in regards to this subject. You seem like a decent guy but really, this has nothing to do with you.

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I am a decent guy, Honda. I'll bet you are too deep down. And to prove it, I'll say that if you two ever fell in love I'd be happy for you. Really. But that doesn't change the fact that you now have a quadruple triple dog dare to deal with!!! :o Those are serious, man. You don't turn your back on a thing like that!

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

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Even if you do fall for a TS they just don't believe it. Is it really that rare for you Ladies?

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Originally Posted by Vicki Richter

So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

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Even if you do fall for a TS they just don't believe it. Is it really that rare for you Ladies?

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they usually dont :(

Vicki,

I agree wholeheartedly with you that this site has become more and more about pic collecting and guys identifying women that they will never meet.

As a woman, I now find it increasingly difficult to find the meaningful threads that once held my interest.

As to the dating aspects of this site, I believe that with few exceptions most men on this site are incapble of relationships.

There are the married looking for sex, the emotionally unavailible or unstable. There are the confused and the curious. There are the self loathing who have taken the 'am I gay joke' and made it a truism.

Verily, it has become the 'sausage factory' that some feared, and that many are happy about.

For the male who does not have the testicular or intestinal fortitude to deal with women, or posses the interpersonal skillls to be in a relationship with a women, this is an ideal place to be.

most of the girls i met on this site are very very cool especially Holly Sweet and Wendy...they both actually talk to me on AIM and dont immediately block me or blow me off...however some (who i didnt meet on this site) like Olivia Love have been total bitches and just wanted money and nothing else...im sure she is looking for love but has been scorn too much in her life to let anyone in...in my opinion just talking to you girls makes my day i get starstruck every time i see a reply to something i wrote by one of you girls and i am proud to come here and talk to everyone on here...i love this site and the idea of someone falling in love with me on here is a dream i doubt will ever come true...but going down that list of my favorites and clicking on the site everyday puts a smile on my face because i know ill get to talk to someone who i have a crush on whenever i want to...falling in love with a tgirl is a dream most guys will never get the chance to accomplish...but a guy can dream cant he?

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Originally Posted by peggygee

Vicki,

I agree wholeheartedly with you that this site has become more and more about pic collecting and guys identifying women that they will never meet.

As a women, I now find it increasingly difficult to find the meaningful threads that once held my interest.

As to the dating aspects of this site, I believe that with few exceptions most men on this site are incapble of relationships.

There are the married looking for sex, the emotionally unavailible or unstable. There are the confused and the curious. There are the self loathing who have taken the 'am I gay joke' and made it a truism.

Verily, it has become the 'sausage factory' that some feared, and that many are happy about.

For the male who does not have the testicular or intestinal fortitude to deal with women, or posses the interpersonal skillls to be in a relationship with a women, this is an ideal place to be.

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Whoa, low blow. What does dealing with women and seeking transexuals have to do with one another? It's not all about sex or lack there of. You have to be open to the possibilities before you can accept or believe the possibility exists. Very cynical eh?

With regards to these guys that say they've given their hearts to multiple TS women and been rejected: are you just randomly falling in love with them, then finding out they are transwomen? Or are you seeking out transwomen to fall for? Are you falling for them because of the person inside, or the beautiful and sexy exterior? All women know better than to fall for that. If you're sincere, then I respect that...but there does exist the man who will lay claim to love so that he may come across as this romantic good guy (who gets what he wants). I 'fall' for virtually every good looking woman I see for ten seconds, not just lust but admiration and feelings of tenderness...but I don't kid myself that it's capital L Love. To make the statement that one has repeatedly fallen for multiple transexuals sounds suspicious to me.
And to you transwomen that hang on to your penis...do you want nomal man-woman love, but not before having a few more years of fun casual sex first? Or do you really hold out hope that you'll find a straight man that just happens to love you as you are? Careful now...that is a question...not a statement. I freely admit to knowing nothing about what it's like for you. One escort encounter does not a wise man make.

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Originally Posted by hondarobot

Knock it off. I'm going to sweep you off your feet and marry you some day. You know I'm not lying. . . remember being beside the pool? You think I came all the way down to the desert because I was lying to you?
I will ask you to marry me someday. I will be able to provide for you. I'm more capable of doing something great then anyone else I know.
You are the only girl I have ever wanted to spend my life with, it's up to you if you say yes or no. I do need to do some work yet.
You are the only girl I would ever want to be with.
That's the truth and all I got, put out there once again, and you know it.

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I triple dog dare you to ask her whether there's a chance, and then accept the answer. If she says yes, I'll play the wedding for free. If she says no, then I get to fly down to Phoenix and take a crack. You'll pardon the expression.

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Suckseed, stop posting in regards to this subject. You seem like a decent guy but really, this has nothing to do with you.

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I am a decent guy, Honda. I'll bet you are too deep down. And to prove it, I'll say that if you two ever fell in love I'd be happy for you. Really. But that doesn't change the fact that you now have a quadruple triple dog dare to deal with!!! :o Those are serious, man. You don't turn your back on a thing like that!

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Oh good grief. . . She's a world famous video star, I'm a schmuck working at a nightclub in Minneapolis.

She doesn't have to do anything. I do. That's all there is to it.

And no, you wont play at the wedding, we'll get Metallica.

Heh, that actually would be pretty cool.

Hey, I'm a schmuck too! Isn't that what it's all about, finding common ground and settling our differences?
Seriously though...I'm in the same boat, if only to find a decent woman who'd want to take her chances with me. It's going to take a helluva lot of hard work and determination especially for a guy like me that's a dreamer and a world-class time waster. The only thing we can control is ourselves and what we do with our lives. The only problem I've ever had with you, Honda, is if you'd ever go postal on Vicki if you wouldn't take no for an answer. That may sound dramatic, but think about it...I don't know you...you could be harmless, or building up your armor plated bulldozer between posting. If we were actually friends, I'd say find out what your ideal woman requires of her man. Aspire to be that man. Become that man. And know that if she still wants something you aren't (who knows why? that's chemistry, baby) then find another good woman. God knows there's more than one!!!!
Fair enough?

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Originally Posted by peggygee

Vicki,

I agree wholeheartedly with you that this site has become more and more about pic collecting and guys identifying women that they will never meet.

As a women, I now find it increasingly difficult to find the meaningful threads that once held my interest.

As to the dating aspects of this site, I believe that with few exceptions most men on this site are incapble of relationships.

There are the married looking for sex, the emotionally unavailible or unstable. There are the confused and the curious. There are the self loathing who have taken the 'am I gay joke' and made it a truism.

Verily, it has become the 'sausage factory' that some feared, and that many are happy about.

For the male who does not have the testicular or intestinal fortitude to deal with women, or posses the interpersonal skillls to be in a relationship with a women, this is an ideal place to be.

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Whoa, low blow. What does dealing with women and seeking transexuals have to do with one another? It's not all about sex or lack there of. You have to be open to the possibilities before you can accept or believe the possibility exists. Very cynical eh?

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One or both of us may be confused by the others semantics.

The clarification on my part, about the men on this site, having a problem dealing with women applies to all women, whether transwomen, or genetic females, etc.

I tend to believe that many of the men here would have a problem with a woman, no matter what genitals she possesed.

Further, for me this site feels like a site for the trading of 'tranny cards'. You know like where you guys are looking for a mint Johnny Unitas, or Roger Maris card.

So to re-iterate, I don't get a sense that most of the men here are either looking for a relationship, or have the skill set to acquire and keep one.

Truly, I am not trying to deliver a low blow, but rather inform males that are looking for a relationship that they may need to re-evaluate their tactics and strategies.

I don't post often because for the most part I don't have much to say, I'd rather watch events on this board unfold and watch people dig their own graves. I've been a member long enough to see it move from a website where people mostly talked about a variety of issues with a couple pic threads (Read: A "who has the biggest cock" thread) to the place it is today. The only thing that has honestly changed though is the girls on the forum.

At least to me, it's felt like the board has always had three types of members (guy wise):
1) The flamers: We've always had these, regardless of whether or not most people agreed with them, most of the flamers would rather make a somewhat clever retort than actually respond to things other people have brought up. This response would usually be followed by about 30 responses from people that basically said: "Oh SNAP". You have these guys on every board, but here they are very prevalent. My guess would be it has something to do with some people's deep rooted feelings of guilt for being on a TS website in the first place.
2) The Snivelers: These are the "Oh SNAP" people. They're also the ones who immediately kiss any girl's ass who ever pops up to say ANYTHING. I think the strongest memory I have of these guys would be a couple months ago when Allanah told some troll that she "wouldn't suck his dick even if he paid her!". To me it sounded like a fourth grade response to an annoying prick, but to the snivelers it was the height of intellegence and wit. I think I saw like a thousand responses of a bunch of guys laughing at how amazing that response was and oh by the way how beautiful Allanah is and how much they would love to suck her cock etc, etc. I'm sure any girl on the forum knows what I mean. These are the guys who honestly think kissing a girls ass till their nose is stained grown is gonna get them laid. If I saw one out on the street (if they ever leave the house) I would be hesitant to shake their hand unless they dipped it in bleach first.
3) The Gurus: These are the guys who actually have something to bring to the table and are well balanced human beings for the most part. I take the time to read what they have to say because I think I might actually come out a more informed person because of it. Guys like Seanchai and Bearded One come to mind. These guys are far and few between and sometimes may display characteristics of the first two, but for the most part are good guys I wouldn't mind drinking a couple beers with and talking about life, the universe, and everything.

Maybe this is a tad offtopic, but basically what I'm saying is that there aren't a whole lot of "real" people on this board anymore. People who disagree with what a TS says or god forbid show any kind of backbone are usually shouted off by the army of Snivelers for daring to disagree with their goddess who rightly wouldn't give them the time of the day in real life. With the exception of a select few guys on this board, is there anyone here any of you girls would be interested in in the first place?
Love is a funny thing, but usually your first step in meeting someone should always be to look them straight in the eye, no bullshit, and see them for what they are in the real world. Most people on this board are in love with a fantasy, one of Viagra, baby oil, cameras, easy sex, and secret self-loathing. Would any of you girls look for love in the same guys who are chasing a lie?

Personally, I like it when people disagree with me.

I think you left off a fourth kind of person on the board. The spammers. This has become more and more rampant. They come in and post a few hundred images relating to different nationality TS and/or body parts, and they are done for the day. What useless web site hawking bullshit is that?

Regardless, and not to lose the topic, I just feel that within the sex industry as a whole... I omitted the simple fact that even female pornstar sex workers struggle to maintain relationships. There is this double standard for a sex worker typically which says, "you can't fuck other girls, but I get to fuck everyone I want because that's my job". That is bullshit. If I have sex with a bunch of people, he can too. As long as neither of us brings any surprises home, I think that's fair.

There is a type of man I have found who finds it erotic that the girl he dates fucks other men while he remains faithful, and he might even want to watch. There are also men who don't care if their girl whores as long as it supports the household. However, if we want a typical family oriented household or the American relationship dream, neither of those are going to work.

Sex work is souless work. The people involved in it lose themselves somewhere and it becomes hollow. Girls come in here a lot complaining about the relationship thing or lack of ability to maintain something in that respect. However, TS outside of the industry do meet and maintain relationships sometimes. I guess for my own peace of mind, I want to know a TS girl in the sex industry can have a LTR. Am I forever tainted because of what I've done? Again, I view this as a sex worker thing almost more than a TS sex worker thing. I know a lot of porn girls, and none of them are in healthy happy relationships. In fact, they seem to have an even harder time because they are more recognizable by a larger male population.

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I'd like to think that if you really want it enough, you can have it Vicki.
I don't mean to disrespect any of the girls working in the industry, but it might be not just that they were involved in the industry that makes it hard for them to have meaningfull relationships, but I'm sure its a factor. It could be that the same kind of person who goes into that field could also be the same kind of person who has difficulty having a healthy relationship.
From the way I've heard it described primarily on these forums, it's not the kind of work I'd wish on anybody.
Then again, I could be coming from way left field.

You have all said some intelligent things in this thread, even though it started with a complaint about the lack of it. But responding to Vicki’s last post, it is difficult for any women in the sex industry to have a relationship while she is still in, but she can always leave and it will eventually make a big difference.

I once was close with an exotic dancer, but chose not to pursue the relationship, when I heard some ‘friends’ talking about her sexually. I later came to understand their comments as immature fantasizing. I am mature enough to understand that now, but not at the time. You will find an emotionally mature man. Time is actually on your side.

I personally am married, but not in a happy state, right now. I wonder if I had had that ltr with a trans could I have been happier today. I that time I was dating, the ones I met were to into the ‘street life’, whereas I am a college graduate. I have loved them my entire life, as well as gg’s. I just except it now as a part of myself, whether I express it outwardly or not.

For me this board allows me to have fantasies and share them with people who might understand them. I will defend those who ‘attack’ our girls (or women) because I love them, while others in society look down on them. Meanwhile I have come to understand that my fantasies give me ‘life’, and hope to continue to experience life. Like everything else fantasy can have a negative side, by interferring in acomplishing real life tasks. But some fantasies do become real. Like I say in my latest song; “All of reality was once only someone’s fantasy.” The women here are living proof of that.

I would agree that many, the majority honestly, of people in the "erotic industry" do find it difficult to find and maintain a close relationship. I know a lot of strippers, have known (as friends) many escorts, and I can't think of one of those girls ever finding true love at any point. The problem usually is on both sides. The girls want some "bad boy" stunt cock kinda guy, and the guys want a sex fantasy. Sport fucking only lasts so long between two people and then they drift apart looking for new adventures.

A guy outside the industry would have to be pretty devoted, unique, and not be too uptight about the sexual appetite a girl in, or formerly in, the business would posess. Ideally, he'd have to be interested in everything about a girl, but not just view her as the realization of a sexual fantasy. She's gonna want to have sex with other people on occassion, and he'd probably make the trade off that sometimes he'd get to sit around, relax and watch the History channel while drinking some beers and smoking cigarettes.

He probably wouldn't want to hear about her occasional sex antics, I can't imagine he'd want to watch them (unless it was with another hot girl, no guy would pass that up), the two people would just have to discuss things some day and arrive at a compromise of sorts.

Love can always find a way to work things out, as long as the people are meant for each other. It just takes patience and confidence that things will come together.

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You have all said some intelligent things in this thread, even though it started with a complaint about the lack of it. But responding to Vicki’s last post, it is difficult for any women in the sex industry to have a relationship while she is still in, but she can always leave and it will eventually make a big difference.

I once was close with an exotic dancer, but chose not to pursue the relationship, when I heard some ‘friends’ talking about her sexually. I later came to understand their comments as immature fantasizing. I am mature enough to understand that now, but not at the time. You will find an emotionally mature man. Time is actually on your side.

I personally am married, but not in a happy state, right now. I wonder if I had had that ltr with a trans could I have been happier today. I that time I was dating, the ones I met were to into the ‘street life’, whereas I am a college graduate. I have loved them my entire life, as well as gg’s. I just except it now as a part of myself, whether I express it outwardly or not.

For me this board allows me to have fantasies and share them with people who might understand them. I will defend those who ‘attack’ our girls (or women) because I love them, while others in society look down on them. Meanwhile I have come to understand that my fantasies give me ‘life’, and hope to continue to experience life. Like everything else fantasy can have a negative side, by interferring in acomplishing real life tasks. But some fantasies do become real. Like I say in my latest song; “All of reality was once only someone’s fantasy.” The women here are living proof of that.

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Alot of people in the adult industry are mis-adjusted. But then again, so are alot of "normal" people and they make bad bedfellows as well. Its basically a crap shoot, unless you understand your needs and seperate them from your desires. Desire gets in the way all too often and clouds judgement to the point that you no longer think straight.

I could handle a relationship with an adult performer, I believe I have said that before. Its profession. Why does a career have to be a horrible job you hate going too everyday? I look at the sex trade the same way. Women control the industry, they either love it (Nina Hartley, Ginger Lynn, etc) or hate it and leave soon after.

There was an interview with Heather Hunter once and she was asked how hard was it to date. She said, it was hard to tell if the guy was dating Heather Hunter - The Porn Star and just want to fuck her, or Heather Hunter - The Woman.

There alot of short-sighted men out there. Insercure themselves and project that into their relationships.

It seems the question for most men comes up while dating a performer is when is she going to leave the industry. This is why alot of performers seldom find happiness outside the industry. Why should she give up her career for your personally peace of mind?

As they said in Super Chicken - "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it"

If you knew the girl was in the sex trade and you were unconfortable with that fact, then why did you waste her time? Makes no sense...

Go marry some school teacher someplace, I think your mother would OKAY with that and so will 99% of your friends and family.

I don't understand why so many married men make their way into sites like this. It seems to me you made a poor choice once, what's to stop you from doing it again?

My .02

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So many of you want to suck my shecock and swallow everything that comes out of me... over and over every day of you lives. Don't you hate wishing and wanting? You want that feeling. You want to feel someone beautiful loves you.

Instead all of you are posting spam in here about meaningless "cum shots" or "big shemale cocks"... I mean what the fuck is that. You will just be fucking wanting it a year from now... 5 years from now... the rest of your lives.

I mean really why don't you do something about it? This forum has become pic collectors heaven and the good guys who started this site have left. Megabody almost never posts. This isn't what it was. You guys can post pictures and fantasize, but there are real TS girls who want what you want. Most of you are chicken shit and scared to take what is there. Fuck those of you who fantasize about us but wouldn't risk loving us. Fuck the girls who are so jaded they won't give you a chance.

I want a love story. I want to hear a TS and a guy made it and it was real. I need that. I want to know that what my parents and grandparents can happen to me and my friends. You might want to jack off wishing her cock was deep inside you, but until you really say it and mean it, and

Vicki

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It happens. I was in a 13 year relationship with a ts. We lived together and loved together. And although the relationship (like any relationship) didn't work out in the end, today we are best friends.

Chicken shit, Vicki? Not me. I don't visit the working girls for sex. Instead, I've been looking for someone to love and share my life with. I'm ready. But finding a girl who's ready is not easy.

I could go on and on about the myriad of reasons for this, but the blame lies both on the girls side and the guys side.

If there's a girl out there on this board that's reading this, click on my myspace profile below. I don't bite. I'm basically just a nice guy looking for what we're all looking for. Love, trust, and an open and honest relationship with one person. :)

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Sex work is souless work. The people involved in it lose themselves somewhere and it becomes hollow.

V

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Something the younger girls need to hear and the guys who make it possible need to understand.

much peace and love, vicki. much peace and love.

Hey Vicki,

I just wanted to say that I hear you--I think that a lot of guys will be using this as a fantasy board, and will never do anything real in their actual lives.

And actually, I am one of them, to a degree. If I may explain . . .

I am married, and like every guy on this board, I admire, enjoy, feel sexually charged by transsexual women. For me, the realization didn't come until I was well into my relationship with my wife. I had never known or seen a TS woman until the internet became readily available, so my exposure level was nil to that point.

Several years ago I started to explore my sexuality without my wife, because while we're still very much in love and happy, our sex life is bland and doesn't have too much hope of improving (she is not very into exploration or kink). Through this experimentation with swing sites and escorting sites, I discovered my attraction to TS women.

I took that leap and met a beautiful woman, had an amazing encounter that forever changed my life. I felt, at that moment, that there were no boundaries between myself and this woman, and that if my situation was different I would have no problem falling in love with her and giving her everything I had to give.

But, I already have that with my wife. Some days when I see that woman I met those years ago, I think how amazing it would be to wake up with her in my arms every morning. I have no hang-ups about the fact that she was in the adult industry, though to be honest I would not want her to stay in it if we were making a life together. If things should ever change with me and I find myself single, I feel, in my heart, that I could honestly love a ts as much as I could a gg. But for now, this board and places like it are the only outlet I have for sharing and enjoying my passions for transsexual women. I certainly don't go so far as to say things like "I wanna suck the cum out of your jewcock" because to me that shit is highly offensive and demeaning to the woman. But I do enjoy the pictures, and the space to speak my mind, debate, admire, and just be a part of this community in some tiny, albeit insignificant way.

So don't give up Vicki, you are beautiful and soulful, and I know that you will be able to find someone who will hold you tight and let you know that you have found everything you are looking for in this life. I know this because if I feel that strongly, there have to be others who feel the same way.

A porn star who made quite many porn movies, who proudly made a gangbang scene with kind of 15 unknown guys (publicly),
escorting, and who else knows what more besides that - wants now to be loved, supported and pleased like a princess by some
ordinary good guy, who will ultimately be willing to if necessity demands it sacrify a lot (for example - his family life in some cases,
probably his social status as well, etc..) for that purpose. Well, that guy must be a real hero, some silly superman kind of..
I dunno, i really dunno any more ;-)

I think marriage is a bit overrated. I realize I am going all over the place here. But marriage in the traditional sense almost 100% of the time turns into her not wanting sex anymore and him feeling rejected going off and cheating. Then, although she doesn't want sex with him anymore, she goes off and cheats too because that sex is new. A lot of times women resent their husbands for making them pregnant and giving up their freedom, other times, they just put all their energy into children and lose the bond that brought them together.

I would think, because we can't have kids, a life with a transsexual would be more fulfilling. The couple would always focus on each other, fun with each other, knowing each other, sex with each other. Cumming over and over. Orgasms, anal sex, french kissing, oral sex, etc.

I don't get the married and unhappy thing either. So many people divorce. But then there are these people who live in a constant state of numbness who never divorce until they are old. They do it "for the kids". Sure that is self sacrificing and noble, but honestly give up 20 years of your life "for the kids"?? In the meantime you aren't fantasizing about your wife anymore, you are fantasizing about pornstars, transsexuals, bondage, lesbians, gay men and/or sex with farm animals. Everything your wife isn't, you make into a fantasy.

So my argument would be that you cut your losses, pay your child support, and then find your fantasy girl. Whether she is a shemale, a dominatrix or a sheep, that is up to you.

The things I like about a relationship is getting to know someone and getting to know their family, likes, dislikes, and making them happy. You can't get that by dating 10 different guys. Maybe the best relationship would be some form of polygomous open relationship. Most married guys are doing that now anyway, just without her knowing about it. Maybe that is why being a pornstar is a good thing. As long as I do it, I can't be jealous about a guy I am with fucking other girls. I would dump him if I found out he did a guy though. I think that's gross... that or farm animals.

Vicki

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A porn star who made quite many porn movies, who proudly made a gangbang scene with kind of 15 unknown guys (publicly),
escorting, and who else knows what more besides that - wants now to be loved, supported and pleased like a princess by some
ordinary good guy, who will ultimately be willing to if necessity demands it sacrify a lot (for example - his family life in some cases,
probably his social status as well, etc..) for that purpose. Well, that guy must be a real hero, some silly superman kind of..
I dunno, i really dunno any more ;-)

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I could dye my hair and get another nose job. Nobody would know but him. My ass is totally tight again after that gang bang scene. That was like 3 or 4 years ago. ;)

V

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Originally Posted by McManaman

A porn star who made quite many porn movies, who proudly made a gangbang scene with kind of 15 unknown guys (publicly),
escorting, and who else knows what more besides that - wants now to be loved, supported and pleased like a princess by some
ordinary good guy, who will ultimately be willing to if necessity demands it sacrify a lot (for example - his family life in some cases,
probably his social status as well, etc..) for that purpose. Well, that guy must be a real hero, some silly superman kind of..
I dunno, i really dunno any more ;-)

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You're right about one thing - you really DON'T know. Do you honestly think there's ANY woman who dosen't want those things? And fuck your "social status". Obviously it's at the mercy of a bunch of transphobic dorks. If you're so worried about what other people think, you obviously can't think for yourself.

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Took the words right out my mouth! Right on! :)

Stop...Stop! Just fucking stop! ( and I'm not talking about the most recent posters, I 've already forgot what they said). Why does everyone have to place people in convenient little boxes and place labels on those boxes. Every fucking person on these boards .....are different! No one is the same as the other! Their reasons for being here nite to nite, are different from the previous nite. They are not even uniform with themselves. Their points of view change like the sands. So there are lurkers, smirkers, and kiss ass jerkers, so they like large or small cocks, post ops or pre ops, 8 year olds like Stan and Cartman, 50 year old's like Homer Simpson. Turd Sandwichs or Giant Douches.

Long term relationships happen or don't no matter what fucking label has been placed on the forehead by the label makers. Genralizations don't make relationships, it's the two people in the relationship. They make them and they break them.

The underlying message is your personal experience is not all encompassing. Nor will it ever be. You may meet the perfect mate or you may never after a hundred times at the plate. Why? Who knows.
Live with it, but keep trying if that's what you seek. But have fun in the meantime, because someday you will die. If there's nothing afterward, then you'll never regret it, you won't be. If there is something good afterward, you'll have forgotten you're gripes and misery and joys. If its bad afterward, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass for not laughing more thus making it more bad.

So loosen up, relax. Don't be so serious. Seriousness happens, but not through a keyboard. We are not intelligent enough to communicate all we think through written words.

Peace to you all....you are you not a label. Everyone is free to like or dislike you based on you not based on what you are labeled.

And now I will get in my armour, in anticipation of tomatos.

I agree i shouldnt be in a box...im here because i am a tgirl fan...want to someday be together with one...in a relationship not just sex...i come here to talk not post pictures...i am more interested in the people behind the pictures not the pictures themselves...i would rather have a long conversation with Vicki or Holly than just look at pictures of them...its the connection with the person that counts isnt that why we are all here...so we can connect with the tgirls we all love and WANT to know?

this site makes our fantasies come true sometimes they are sexual and for guys like me they are knowing the person...sex is just the bonus...at least in my book.

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I think marriage is a bit overrated. I realize I am going all over the place here. But marriage in the traditional sense almost 100% of the time turns into her not wanting sex anymore and him feeling rejected going off and cheating. Then, although she doesn't want sex with him anymore, she goes off and cheats too because that sex is new. A lot of times women resent their husbands for making them pregnant and giving up their freedom, other times, they just put all their energy into children and lose the bond that brought them together.


I don't get the married and unhappy thing either. So many people divorce. But then there are these people who live in a constant state of numbness who never divorce until they are old. They do it "for the kids". Sure that is self sacrificing and noble, but honestly give up 20 years of your life "for the kids"?? In the meantime you aren't fantasizing about your wife anymore, you are fantasizing about pornstars, transsexuals, bondage, lesbians, gay men and/or sex with farm animals. Everything your wife isn't, you make into a fantasy.

So my argument would be that you cut your losses, pay your child support, and then find your fantasy girl. Whether she is a shemale, a dominatrix or a sheep, that is up to you.

The things I like about a relationship is getting to know someone and getting to know their family, likes, dislikes, and making them happy. You can't get that by dating 10 different guys. Maybe the best relationship would be some form of polygomous open relationship. Most married guys are doing that now anyway, just without her knowing about it. Maybe that is why being a pornstar is a good thing. As long as I do it, I can't be jealous about a guy I am with fucking other girls. I would dump him if I found out he did a guy though. I think that's gross... that or farm animals.

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Marriage is so conditionally instilled in many Americans
to where they feel they have to dream/have itso a lot of
important variables and elements are ignored, pushed aside or no idea
or effort to deal with issues prior to the committment.
Unfortunately the fact is most marriages do not work out and probably the because of the aforementioned problems are some of the reason(s) why most usually end up in divorces.

maybe just me but i don't see what's wrong with first living with
someone you care about for a considerable time before there's even
talk of the next step up. Heck at least you would at least have a
better chance at learning/adapting to your "soulmate" on
a very close and personal and consistent every day basis.
At least you would have a better chance of getting a feel if that partner is compatible and passionate enough to risk a lifetime being with

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I would think, because we can't have kids, a life with a transsexual would be more fulfilling. The couple would always focus on each other, fun with each other, knowing each other, sex with each other. Cumming over and over. Orgasms, anal sex, french kissing, oral sex, etc.

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Actually Not fulfilling because knowing that kids will not be an possibility
in the future eliminates options.

.And not to sound self-defeating or crude but because of the complications of a tranny relationship, adoption is not likely to be a possibility either.
and because of that it's a strong reason why a long term relationship

it's a bitch and frustrating to each party in the relationship
but it's a reality.
But another reality is not every couple is about kids ...
.. some have no desire to have them. Some learn
to deal with the difficult urge to have kids.

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vicki its really good to have your input on this webboard,arianna,peggy too-you bring the other side to the lusting of allthe others on here...the marriage thing for straight people is soo strange-do the men getting into theses ever think to them selves "i'm gonna be fuckin the same piece of pussy for the rest of my life"..as people grow so do their sexual and personal needs change and when many people get married they never really take this into account..is this person able to express what i need to grow in a long term relationship,whether it be wild ass sex or doin daily activities like the dishes and cooking...i dont know why so many people get married so young,before they can get down wit their bad selves....

Oh yeah, 20 page threads on marriage or "am I gay becuase I take it up the ass?" or any other lovely dovey threads are exactly what this board needs.

I'm all for a good debate but there's nothing wrong with the pic posts.

This thread has really made me think....

Does working in the adult industry screw up any chance of a 'normal' relationship...?

I hope not. I have just launched my own website and after a rocky start (due to ilness) am now back on track and coming to the stage where my partner (who is also the photographer) and I are facing the awkward subject of me having sex with other people. To be honest its not something I really want to do. Especially with HIM taking the pic... I am a very loyal person, have never cheated on him and am VERY worried about what it might do to us.

We first met up two years ago after getting to know each other on a UK website called 'gaydar'. It was purely a meet for bondage and sex after talking for a few months and finding we got on with each other well. On that first night we pretty much fell for each other and after 2-3 months of him driving some 150 miles as many times in a week as possible to see me, i moved in with him.

One and a half years on.... I still face the problems of transitioning and all that entails and need to either get a job... (I didnt work for the first 2 yrs of being full-time as i couldnt be bothered with all the bitchyness at wherever i would have been working as i didnt look too passable if i am honest!) OR find some other way of earning enough money for FFS, laser, breast augmentation etc. etc.

Que:website idea

Now i am still learning how to do it all properly (yes - i know the website could do with a lot of improvements) as i wanted to do it all myself but the website has been running for about 4 months. I have done some hardcore with my bf and also with a couple of other TS and one guy. Now my BF (who i love with all my heart) and myself have realised that I am going to have to have sex with other guys if i want to have some degree of sucess in this industry. He has said to me that he pretty much knew we would come to this point all along... me...? i never thought about it... dumb i guess...

will it ultimatly harm our relationship..?

i so hope not.. i have even lately had thoughts of not carrying on down this path... Am i doing something which will haunt me forever..?

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Jennifer
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Jennifer - go big or stay home, there really isn't any middle ground for web sites. If you put yourself out there, and go half way, you'll find it hard to be competitive. Why put yourself on the Internet and risk a lifetime of being labeled if you aren't going to go into it 110%?

Sex work will change your relationship irreversably unless your man really gets off on seeing other guys/girls fuck you. Remember what I said about the rare guy who likes that.

I was raised to be with one person for both love and lust. It goes against my nature to fuck a whole lot of people. That is the real reason why I never got into hardcore escorting. I might go months without sex sometimes. Sure this may be caused by religion or hopes of a normal relationship - I'm not sure.

So my point is, always evaluate what is the most important thing to you. Is your man the most important thing? Is he behind you 100%? If you start to see warning signs or fighting in the relationship after you start down the path, you need to be willing to change course on your adult career or risk losing what matters most.

I used to have a very very close friend who lost her family - what mattered most - after getting into the adult biz. While she may or may not agree that is what caused it, I am absolutely convinced. After losing her family, she has never been that same bubbly, happy person since. She lost the fire and zest for life that made her so special to me.

Anyway, I wish you luck regardless of your decision.

Vicki