As TS Become More Mainstream, How Long Before Most Guys Stop Giving A...

[Nautica]

...fuck about what others think of them and do what they want to do and be with who they want to be with?

Or, do you think many are far too brainwashed and petrified to, ever, live a life of freedom of their choosing?

[gaiseric]

I would go with your second option. there are too many people involved with TS's who are so scared of the opinions of others - family, friends etc - and this prevents them being themselves. The only way to live the life you want is to say this is me, this is what I am and how I am and if people don't like it they can disappear from my life. That's what I did, although it took some time to get to that stage, and life has been good since then. I've dated a number of TS and now know who I am.

If people are that worried about other peoples opinions, maybe they should seriously think about indulging in a different hobby.

[Wendy Summers]

As much as I hate comparing these issues to LGB issues, I think there is a good parallel in this case. As the idea of transsexuals becomes more accepted in society, so too will the idea of dating transsexuals. Once you have one or two celebrities who willingly come out as being trans-attracted, you'll start to see attitudes shifting. With more transsexual mainstream celebrities out there, I suspect this time is coming sooner, not later.

[Lester316]

Wendy has it spot on there.

Generally most people are socially constructed to behave in a way society deems correct. Attitudes will change as society does (slowly probably which is a shame) so much like gay culture has become mainstream and acceptable in many places which in turn has lead to gay marriage and relationships gaining more support the same would happen with transgender relationships and culture.

It's very much the pebble causing the eventual landslide as once a few well-known people step forward and say 'hey I think it's just fine to be dating/married to/be attracted to a transgender person' then eventually over time more people will able to say the same in public.

It will happen eventually just sadly it's likely to be a slow journey.

[Wendy Summers]

It will happen eventually just sadly it's likely to be a slow journey.


I really don't think we're far off, tbh. Just look at the acceleration of trans-acceptance in the past 5 years. The fact that social conservatives have decided to make bathrooms an issue is going to educate a number of people on trans issues who otherwise wouldn't have been exposed. We're not at the tipping point yet, but I think their efforts to discriminate against us is going to make that point shift closer to the present than it otherwise would.

[DeadGirl-Productions]

Give it 20-30 years and all is well. Not even worth thinking about. Sucks for those who have to live between now and then*. This will all be a big yawn later on down the road.

*Sucks for those that have time to give a fuck... folks like me just live a normal life through sheer will.

[Lester316]

I really don't think we're far off, tbh. Just look at the acceleration of trans-acceptance in the past 5 years. The fact that social conservatives have decided to make bathrooms an issue is going to educate a number of people on trans issues who otherwise wouldn't have been exposed. We're not at the tipping point yet, but I think their efforts to discriminate against us is going to make that point shift closer to the present than it otherwise would.

I hope that is the case, with luck you are right and it happens quicker. It probably will do in more progressive places but sadly in our world too many places are well-behind the times. Despite living in a fairly progressive country (the UK) I am unlucky enough to spend most of my time in a town where the locals practically point and stare when they see someone who isn't white walking down the street; it's a place that might only be say 50 miles from one of the most diverse and multi-cultural cities in the country but it's a millions miles away from being a place that would accept certain things. Even a bar/club opening here that was LGBT friendly would be a struggle and I could see local officials denying planning permission or licences.

I suspect we will get places that are forward and progressive with Transgender acceptance much as they are with other issues but they will remain (at least for a while) islands in the sea of bigotry.

[giovanni_hotel]

It's not about caring about what others think for trans-attracted men, it's the consequences,

Suddenly your boyz aren't your crew anymore and you're that 'faggot ass nigga who likes dick'.
There's no support group for trans-attracted men, no marches, no political movement.
I've always said it's much easier when you're with a TS just to create a new group of friends and social circle than trying to explain to your old 'friends' that you dig TGs and GGs.

If I fell in love with a TS chick, I dunno. Maybe it would be easier to have a fuck the world attitude. I've dealt with a lot of BS with GGs when my heart was involved; fucked up family and friends.


But saying TS attracted men need to 'man up' IMO is oversimplifying it.

[lifeisfiction]

So when men are called chasers, do you think it helps there cause for acceptance or reaffirms societies views on them. I find it fascinating about some men being called gay for being attracted to TS. That is pretty much the gist of the problem society views in these type of relationships.

[daBXitalian]

In the usa, discrimination and hate are still very real. Also transexual people are treated like crap. Goti youtube or jbo and watch the story jon oliver did on the subject. People dont like what they dont understand. People dont understand transexuals and they really dont understand men who are attracted to them. Im 27 years old, have lots of kedbian friend but i still hide who im attracted to because its just not accepted.

[Michelle Firestone]

We just need one big badass alpha male to bang out a hot tgirl and totally own it. For instance, this one time, I fell into a new group of friends (who weren't very lgbt-friendly)and all knew I was tgirl, and nobody would flirt with me. Then the hottest and coolest guy in the group fucked me and was like I don't care. Next thing you know almost all the males were trying to talk to me because they weren't afraid of the stigma anymore.

We just need something like that on a bigger scale with a really famous guy. I was hoping Tyga would own fucking Mia but it seems like he's not.

[daBXitalian]

I think bruce jenner made it worse,because everyone knew him as a man.

[nysprod]

We just need one big badass alpha male to bang out a hot tgirl and totally own it. For instance, this one time, I fell into a new group of friends (who weren't very lgbt-friendly)and all knew I was tgirl, and nobody would flirt with me. Then the hottest and coolest guy in the group fucked me and was like I don't care. Next thing you know almost all the males were trying to talk to me because they weren't afraid of the stigma anymore.

We just need something like that on a bigger scale with a really famous guy. I was hoping Tyga would own fucking Mia but it seems like he's not.

Yes but not a guy just messing around with escorts, it's gotta be a regular thing.

[gaysian71]

My personal opinion is that no one really needs to "Come out" about dating a trans woman. Just date and go out and introduce them as your girlfriend. I have done that a couple times and never had a problem.

At some point in time it will become pretty common to see men with their girlfriend or wife. There are a few already, just not very many.

[Ts RedVeX]

To me, it seems very common for guys to give me a fuck every now and then:d

[tonkatoy]

I think there will or is a difference between weather the ts person in the relationship is post op or not, at least that was my experience when I was in a relationship with a ts woman, the people that did know assumed that she was post op. Also if a transwoman passes well she may not want to be outed as trans. Some of the transpeople I know complained that gays were the worst at outing them because they were jealous that they were transitioning and identified as straight. In some ways I honestly think that the fear we have at being identified a certain way is worse than the outcome, i.e. that somepeople might care, some may make things uncomfortable, but most people just simply won't care.

[mtbazz]

meh...I don't give a fuck right now..At the end of the day it's my happiness that matters and if the people in my life can't accept the fact I enjoy being with TS women I view that as more of their problem and not mine. I've gone out in public before on dates with trans-women, and never had any issue, most people were very polite.

That said, the fact that I can't currently find anyone to date me is another story entirely... :(

[MrFanti]

Why can't a person simply say: "This is my girlfriend (or boyfriend)"....

RATHER than saying (and emphasizing):

"This is my transgender girlfriend (or boyfriend)"...

[TSPornFan]

As much as I hate comparing these issues to LGB issues, I think there is a good parallel in this case. As the idea of transsexuals becomes more accepted in society, so too will the idea of dating transsexuals. Once you have one or two celebrities who willingly come out as being trans-attracted, you'll start to see attitudes shifting. With more transsexual mainstream celebrities out there, I suspect this time is coming sooner, not later.

Society has become more open to attractive and passable transsexuals. If you can easily pass as a real woman before looking down stairs, then society will support you. Look at reality Trans women who get support such as Audrey Middleton on Big Brother and Jenna Talackova (Miss Canada). They are all passable from People, who are in their early stages or just not attractive are humiliated by society. Look at Twitter right now. Everyone is laughing at Tyga because sites are showing Mia's early pictures in the business. They are not showing her beautiful pictures in recent years.

[gaysian71]

Why can't a person simply say: "This is my girlfriend (or boyfriend)"....

RATHER than saying (and emphasizing):

"This is my transgender girlfriend (or boyfriend)"...

Exactly my point.

[natina]

religion, social norms ,sodomy fears,family and disease fear will stop TS from fully realizing main stream " I don't give a fuck " status

[giadamn]

I don't think it will ever reach "don't give a $@&*" status, because it is still looked at as being gay. Homosexuality has been around forever and is still looked down on by society. Female homosexuality is more accepted because it is a man's world, but being a gay male is not. When being gay is not associated with weak or feminine then being with ts will be accepted.

[Detroit]

I have already said "who gives a fuck", if i see a transwoman with her boyfriend, who cares? I have dated many woman over the years some passable some not so much all had 'grace". i luv transwoman and the relationships I have with them.

[Huevos_Rancheros]

I think when dating a TS, one needs to find someone who is not in the porn or escort business to have a better chance of having a real relationship. I went to a cocktail party once with a provider who advertises regularly in my area. We didn't have any problems with people not accepting us. In fact, it was the opposite. Guys were hitting on her left and right. It didn't make me feel good about the evening that people weren't respecting we were on a date. Were these guys former clients of hers?

The old adage you can't turn a ho into a housewife applies to TS as well as GG. Tyga can't date Mia Isabella if she has a website and charges guys to bang her.

But how do you find the attractive, sweet, girl-next-door type TS?

[gaysian71]

The time is coming when guys don't give a shit. In fact, its already here to some extent. If you go to some clubs you do see some women with their boyfriends and some celebrity trans women are married. It may not be mainstream yet, but it's getting there.

It probably won't become mainstream until more children start to transition at a young age. There are a few who have done it, but just not that many yet. The reason I think children will change things is because it will give genetic boys and girls the opportunity to grow up with their trans counterparts. When you grow up with people your own age, you learn to love them and treat them like anyone else. When that time comes you will see trans girls and boys playing with each other and as they grow, they will be dating, going to prom without the shame and guilt that children of my generation grew up with.

I would imagine that it was even tougher for trans people who are one two or even three generations before me. But the time is coming.