Do you believe aliens exist and visit our planet Earth?

[Laphroaig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/09/20/et_claims_of_alien_life_in_earth_s_atmosphere_are_ unfounded.html

Thanks for the link Trish. That's what I suspected, they jumped the gun and published the paper before checking the facts properly. From reading that article, I'm surprised it managed to get published at all!

[nitron]

This for you .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhjfi3WLQEA and this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO3XNB8TGZk

[nitron]

And ,space monkeys, hope you like . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_a3gIA0sRA

[nitron]

Thanks for the dreams...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKfcJth5So

[trish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk

[nitron]

"Galaxy song...", nice touch. They probably will appreciate it.

[peacheater]

I hope aliens exist. If we're as good as it gets in the whole universe?
That's just depressing

[nitron]

But ,,,,,,,,,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySGSb3pCUEM

[nitron]

out of the void we all come forth

[nitron]

I was referencing to that other Python song, "Always look at the brighter side of Life..."

[nitron]

It sometimes is wonderful to be alive , even as a miserable human. Aliens , in a weird way remind me of this. That we can even comprehend such things.,

[nitron]

There are no upper limits to life.

[trish]

There are no upper limits on gullibility.

[hippifried]

I think there's life on/in Uranus.

[nitron]

When we build the AI, they will land....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKuqjoSLgEU

[holzz]

yes, why not? not saying that area 51 is a secret hideout/lab, but then if there are aliens, why would they not be curious?

[hippifried]

I have to go in and get "probed" by some doctor with a thick accent in a couple of weeks. He's probably an alien.

[holzz]

if a doctor looked like venus lux, she could probe me any time.....

http://www.businessinsider.com/buzz-aldrins-apollo-11-ufo-encounter-2014-7

seems aliens have been on the moon at least.

[martin48]

In answer to the original question, we can but hope!

[nitron]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/i1YmKImHZl8/maxresdefault.jpg
(Homo Erectus-- Prometheus)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGO3ntnEEtg

Worlds without end.....

[nitron]

I see you ,sneaking around, like a thief in the night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIARiJHApXg

[trish]

They weren't sneaking. Those planes had submitted their flight plans with the Civil Aviation Authority of Great Britain.

[bluesoul]

yes i believe in aliens- and even more recently gayliens (see attached picture evidence below). there are also supposedly aliens that were born extraterrestrial but identify as terrestrial humanoids, but i've yet to see those ones

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/5e/23/05/5e2305a1358a3b4ad5c879ca54d48767.jpg

[SpreadLove]

yes i believe in aliens- and even more recently gayliens (see attached picture evidence below). there are also supposedly aliens that were born extraterrestrial but identify as terrestrial humanoids, but i've yet to see those ones

haha, gayliens, hilarious :D I would say I believe in them in a non-mystical way, meaning that probably there are other lifeforms out there in the universe, but that they are not trying to manipulate or abduct us with the intention of conducting weird sexual experiments... ;)

[nitron]

Just to put a finer spin on this, from the youtube Statement which accompanies the video.
It's a village in the country side, Bolton GB, and to find more info on it, go to the MUFON website.


"
Published on Oct 3, 2016
Unedited Witness Statement: We were actually on holiday away from home when we caught this ufo on our surveillance camera at home. We noticed the following morning that we had captured something strange. We cannot find anyone else at this moment in time who saw it too but to record it on video I think is very lucky. On the video it has recorded the date and time. On the video after our security light comes on and then goes off a few seconds later, above the neighbours houses but further away a light appears to the centre of the screen. This light seems to have a trail after it. We thought we were watching a meteor at first but realising it was quite big and not straight up in the sky, it would have to be pretty close to the earth if it was. Also, the light changes direction, it actually turns around and comes a little closer as it goes back to the same direction it came from. The light comes into view in the centre of the screen and moves left, when it turns around it slightly disappears behind a tree but can still be seen. When it comes back it seems to come closer and moves off to the right and in the same direction it came from. I feel as it was moving over some water to the outskirts of our village.

Witness Media Release Agreement to show this video is on file with the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON)."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIARiJHApXg

[Stavros]

My guess would be that the aliens flew over Bolton and couldn't believe what they were seeing and went back for another look. Most normal people who visit Bolton think once is enough.

[trish]

Wake me up if you ever discover any evidence - whatsoever - of alien visitation - no matter how flimsy.

[fred41]

Well we do know they exist...NASA's just been keeping a lid on it.
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[nitron]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=985279&d=1482101759&thumb=1


love thiis martian

"My guess would be that the aliens flew over Bolton and couldn't believe what they were seeing and went back for another look. Most normal people who visit Bolton think once is enough. ..."
That's funny, poor Bolton.You made me laugh hard , thank you.

Trish, how about....Rendlesham ufo incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uFs0Z4brtc

Also please check out wikipedia ,what they say about it.

[trish]

Yeah, that one's pretty flimsy. For three nights running colored lights appear around the perimeter of the U.S. Air Force Base and neither the Air Force nor the RAF nor any other arm of the U.S. or British Military can be goaded into action. Not a single scrambled jet. Gotta wonder what the brass knew that we don't?

Perhaps they knew the reports were consistent with the known meteor activity on those nights. That the depressions on the ground that get big play from the ufologists had no special shape, where shallow and could have been made by an animal or a not so creative nor very skilled hoaxer. That what some reported as burn marks on the perimeter trees were ax cuts. Etc. etc.

Thirty-six years after making their bombastic introduction - complete with light show - the aliens never so much as say 'hello' to Rendlesham ever again. Guess they didn't like the local cuisine. Got anything flimsier?

[MarkRich84]

True story...

I visited Rendlesham Forrest this year.

Drove past the RAF base entrance and got followed (probably because I stopped to activate my satnav, as was a bit lost looking for the forrest).

Went and did the UFO trail, and had a good old nosey around the whole site.

It's pretty awesome in the summer, and well worth a trip...

Anyway.... after posting pics on Facebook...

A relative of mine contacted me and told me about when he worked at Rendlesham (probably 90's,)
I am aware that he has served his whole life in the Army, but didn't know he was stationed at Rendlesham for a bit...

According to him, it was a well known topic of conversation that they openly discussed, believed, and described as a CONFIRMED UFO ENCOUNTER.

The story is (according to what I've read, and what he told me, which could be different to other stories)...

The US were there because Rendlesham is directly between Washington and moscow (or something like that).
They leased part of the base, which is pretty much abandoned now (go and see, it looks cool, like a post apocalyptic film set), and had jets backed up onto concrete blocks to allow them to accelerate quicker and take off in an emergency situation.

One night there was such a situation. An unidentified aircraft, not responding to calls to turn around. US jets were scrambled, shot down the aircraft, which then crash landed in the forest.

UK soldiers were first on the scene. US army took it away...

Was it a UFO?
Yes, 100% according to UK military accounts.
Alien?
No hard evidence, just testimony
Human?
No hard evidence either

I was shocked that my relative was so certain on this subject, as he isn't the type to believe in nonsense, and definitely isn't your average joe, in terms of military rank (far from it).

I am pretty sure there is more to this than we are lead to believe.

I am open to most things. I believe there are lots of things we don't know about the universe, things that are hidden, and things that we are yet to discover.

But probably one of the best and most believable stories I know is the Rendlesham forest one.

[Stavros]

Not even close to being believable as empirical research at the spot alleged to be the landing ground with the help of a local forester and done at night reveals the light seen on the night in question is from the Orford Lighthouse; the landing marks at the site were old rabbit diggings, and the 'burn marks' on the trees made by local foresters to identify trees needing to be felled.

A full report debunking this nonsense is here-
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham1a.htm

PS the distance between Rendlesham Forest and Moscow is approx 1,713 miles; between Rendlesham Forest and Washington DC approx 3,632 miles.

[MarkRich84]

Not even close to being believable as empirical research at the spot alleged to be the landing ground with the help of a local forester and done at night reveals the light seen on the night in question is from the Orford Lighthouse; the landing marks at the site were old rabbit diggings, and the 'burn marks' on the trees made by local foresters to identify trees needing to be felled.

A full report debunking this nonsense is here-
http://www.ianridpath.com/ufo/rendlesham1a.htm

PS the distance between Rendlesham Forest and Moscow is approx 1,713 miles; between Rendlesham Forest and Washington DC approx 3,632 miles.

I'm always up for a good story, to make you question things.

I have an open mind. But when it's still on record as possible, and you know someone who has connections to the site... it just makes it a bit more magical

It could be untrue... but there's also lots out there that we don't know, and also stuff that we are told that is also completely bs...

Also...
Not sure if I made it clear by what I was talking about, but...
If you draw a straight line between moscow & washington, you will find the base is almost along that line...
Obviously you have to bear in mind that the google map is a projection map, and the line should really be curved... however, it sits between moscow & washington... not exactly in the middle... maybe not exactly on a straight or curved line, but in a position that is closest to the line, at an existing UK RAF base... yes, it is a lot closer to moscow... i thought that was obvious...?

[Stavros]

The US bases were inherited from the Wartime alliance which was for obvious geographical reasons based close to the North Sea and focused on Nazi Germany. In the cold war that followed, it made sense to use existing facilities for NATO operations. Any links made between Washington DC and Moscow as part of a mystical-political 'plan' is closer to the Da Vinci code than standard air power mode.

[MarkRich84]

The US bases were inherited from the Wartime alliance which was for obvious geographical reasons based close to the North Sea and focused on Nazi Germany. In the cold war that followed, it made sense to use existing facilities for NATO operations. Any links made between Washington DC and Moscow as part of a mystical-political 'plan' is closer to the Da Vinci code than standard air power mode.

'is closer'
Glad you have the facts Stavros
Obviously you mean something closer to...
'in my opinion, it's probably closer to something fictional... but it does make sense, especially if we are talking about a 1980 and the cold war etc'

otherwise you'd just sound like a bit of a square with a chip on their shoulder about knowing everything (I'm sure you've heard that before)

[Stavros]

'is closer'
Glad you have the facts Stavros
Obviously you mean something closer to...
'in my opinion, it's probably closer to something fictional... but it does make sense, especially if we are talking about a 1980 and the cold war etc'
otherwise you'd just sound like a bit of a square with a chip on their shoulder about knowing everything (I'm sure you've heard that before)

If I knew everything I would not be here, and anyway that sidesteps the key question -why do people believe aliens have visited earth when there is not a shred of evidence to prove it?

Consider -these aliens whether they come from Venus or a galaxy far, far away have the intelligence and materials to build craft that can travel through space, and enter Earth's atmosphere without burning up, yet cannot make their presence known to the majority of people who live here, and cannot defeat the efforts of governments to cover up their presence. Yet if they had such power they could just appeal to us without regard to the politicians, and furthermore, why would anyone want to deny aliens have visited us here on earth? Humans have believed in alien life ever since we could think, or we would not have an almighty God or the belief that 'something greater than us' is 'out there'. Too often, easily explainable phenomena, a moving light, burn marks on a tree, holes in the ground are attributed to phenomenal beings, when the reality is due to woodcutters and rabbits.
We have many more issues to be concerned with that affect us here and now, the magical appearance and disappearance of beings with nothing to say is not one of them.

[nitron]

The Rendelsham II
The last post I mentioned the Incident, in this part you get to here it from the man who was in charge of the base, at the time of the Incident. Please enjoy..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDlnnOhjub0

On a personal note.
This guy's career was on the line, I take him to be a serious witness, and it was this Incident and his statements that convinced me of the UFO reality!

[nitron]

Sorry everyone , the sound is miserable and totally annoying, try this one.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkkluGWOQnI

[trish]

An object traveling over a thousand miles an hour remained in the vicinity long enough for observers to go away and come back with binoculars and train them on the flying light. How does a object raveling so fast manage to stay in sight? We have personal testimonies given by military personnel years after the incident but no hard documentation dating from the time of the incident.

Give us something worth our time of investment please.

[holzz]

i think they do. they could be checking us out for any reason.

[nitron]

I think , and feel .
There waiting to see what we do, what we become.
There in the driver seat , there in no hurry, and it's not what we are now that is of value to them, sort to speak.
We can assume a few things.
They have gone through there AI faze , They went through it a long time ago. There's more than one,and are at different technological scales too each other (because some went through there AI faze earlier in the Universe's existence ).
They started making more overt displays after the Atom bomb made an appearance.
I think , they won't bother to interact with us directly until we cross over our AI threshold, at least.
That's why I'm not nervous about them,
(even if there indirectly our descendants traveling back in time.HEHe HE, maybe.)

[nitron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikcHDvGqrLg

&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHN7Fg1lFCE


Damn..... it takes so much effort in making.;...

[nitron]

Civilizations. Worlds,
There's got be an easier way, maybe not.

[nitron]

Oh and the sounds, is that , is it a thing for a while?If any of you aliens are listening.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTOQvDzihTU

[trish]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/supernatural/strangesounds.asp

I expect we'll be hearing more from our tin foil bedecked friends, now that we have a lunatic or three ensconced in the White House endeavoring to delegitimize science, fact and the very notions of truth and logic.

[sukumvit boy]

295 replies to this thread and only 20 people voted , WTF? 75% of us believe that aliens are visiting earth , or are most of us just agnostic on this issue ?
Anyway , with regard to the strange sounds ,there are are a lot of good rational answers for those of us who care to look for them rather than just titillate our imagination with hocus pocus.I think the true causes of such things are actually a lot more interesting.
People who have spent time in sand or ice environments can vouch for the 'singing' and 'booming' sounds that sand dunes and ice generate and most of us are familiar with the phenomenon of the erie overtones which can be generated with the human voice , such as in overtone chanting. The people of Tuva, who are famous for their overtone singing, say that they are trying to imitate the sounds that the wind and weather make on their home on the Mongolian steppes.
Such sounds are actually being generated all the time but are noticed in the quiet of night or early morning .
http://www.bookofresearch.com/mysterious-sounds-around-the-world.htm

[nitron]

Sukumvit boy , I think your right. Even though I know there here , the rational explanation that bookfresearch... offered is sounder. ...hehe.

[hippifried]

Roswell NM is advertising itself as a tourist destination without any mention of aliens, X-Files, or anything else that put them on the map. Such blatant ingratitude. Tsk...

[martin48]

Remember Occam's Razor - Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.





295 replies to this thread and only 20 people voted , WTF? 75% of us believe that aliens are visiting earth , or are most of us just agnostic on this issue ?
Anyway , with regard to the strange sounds ,there are are a lot of good rational answers for those of us who care to look for them rather than just titillate our imagination with hocus pocus.I think the true causes of such things are actually a lot more interesting.
People who have spent time in sand or ice environments can vouch for the 'singing' and 'booming' sounds that sand dunes and ice generate and most of us are familiar with the phenomenon of the erie overtones which can be generated with the human voice , such as in overtone chanting. The people of Tuva, who are famous for their overtone singing, say that they are trying to imitate the sounds that the wind and weather make on their home on the Mongolian steppes.
Such sounds are actually being generated all the time but are noticed in the quiet of night or early morning .
http://www.bookofresearch.com/mysterious-sounds-around-the-world.htm

[nitron]

How about this one, what do you think , personally I do think this lagit.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Vq0IFL4s0

enjoy....

[Stavros]

Let's face it, if you have been travelling through the universe in search of a great cup of tea with scones, jam and clotted cream, you too would put Devon in your galactic GPS.
Long live the Independent Republic of Totnes!!

http://www.middevongazette.co.uk/29-weird-and-wonderful-devon-ufo-sightings-from-the-last-20-years/story-30160498-detail/story.html

[tacocorpv2]

I do believe that intelligent extraterrestrial life forms exist. I don't know if they visit (or ar capable of visiting) Earth or not though.

[sukumvit boy]

The Fermi Paradox . " So where is everybody ?"
That is , given the overwhelming probability that advanced civilizations have evolved elsewhere in the universe as demonstrated by the mathematics of The Drake Equation , where are they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

[broncofan]

The Fermi Paradox . " So where is everybody ?"
That is , given the overwhelming probability that advanced civilizations have evolved elsewhere in the universe as demonstrated by the mathematics of The Drake Equation , where are they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
So which explanation for the paradox do you subscribe to? I am going for too far apart in space and time. Second place I'm thinking maybe it's a good idea not to send out signals so maybe a more prudent alien species has decided the same. If you have the technology to transmit signals but not the technology to travel between galaxies you are making yourselves known and open to colonization by a technologically superior species.

[trish]

How about this one, what do you think , personally I do think this lagit.......Oh yeah, that was convincing. (read with skepticism and irony)


The Fermi Paradox . " So where is everybody ?"
That is , given the overwhelming probability that advanced civilizations have evolved elsewhere in the universe as demonstrated by the mathematics of The Drake Equation , where are they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
Who's going to come here when Trump's the leader of free world? I can hear him now, "The transgalacticans are nothing but illegal aliens. They're taking our jobs and giving us nothing but fake facts. Warnings about global warming - fake. Warnings about nuclear weapons - fake. Cures for poverty, disease and social inequality - fake, Fake, FAKE. We're gonna build a wall, people. A big wall. The biggest wall, between Earth and outer space. It's gonna be a beautiful wall."
On the other hand, one might ask why we see no evidence of anybody else out there. Are we too early? Are we too late? Are they too distant? Too sparse? Are our detection techniques too crude? All of the above. More than the above?


So which explanation for the paradox do you subscribe to? I am going for too far apart in space and time. Second place I'm thinking maybe it's a good idea not to send out signals so maybe a more prudent alien species has decided the same. If you have the technology to transmit signals but not the technology to travel between galaxies you are making yourselves known and open to colonization by a technologically superior species.
Kinda agree. Interactions between Earthly civilizations worked out so well, especially when one group was technologically more advanced than the other. (read with skepticism and irony)
Also civilizations may just naturally go dark. When we first discovered broadcast technology our communications were blasted into space as well as around the Earth. But eventually we invented more directed technologies for communication and (I believe) we’re a lot darker now without actually trying to be. It may also be that conscious life forms are extremely rare and tend to be hazardous to themselves - going extinct is another way to go dark.

[fred41]

Maybe they can all be found dancing on the head of a pin...





...Oh wait, that's where the angels are right?...Goddammit, hardly ever post and still fuck up when I do.

[sukumvit boy]

Yes to the answer from broncofan that we are just too far apart in space and time and to trish`s answer that civilizations may just naturally go dark .
Ever stop to consider how slow light speed really is in relation to intergalactic distances ?
Given that the speed of light is the absolute fastest anything can move ,(discounting `quantum entanglement`which seems to defy that principle) , it takes 8.3 minutes for light to reach us from the Sun and our little galaxy is 100,000 - 180,000 light years in diameter .

[broncofan]

Given that the speed of light is the absolute fastest anything can move ,(discounting `quantum entanglement`which seems to defy that principle) , it takes 8.3 minutes for light to reach us from the Sun and our little galaxy is 100,000 - 180,000 light years in diameter .
I guess I'm curious how long we've been listening? If a message is sent from 5 billion light years away (and for a presumably finite period of time), why should we expect to hear it within the infinitesimally short period we've been listening? There also has to be an equation for the small odds of synchronizing transmissions with their receipt. Which cuts back to Trish's point about the average length of time a civilization can sustain itself and not go dark vs. the distances traversed.

[broncofan]

I guess I'm curious how long we've been listening? If a message is sent from 5 billion light years away (and for a presumably finite period of time), why should we expect to hear it within the infinitesimally short period we've been listening? There also has to be an equation for the small odds of synchronizing transmissions with their receipt. Which cuts back to Trish's point about the average length of time a civilization can sustain itself and not go dark vs. the distances traversed.
I suppose this is just a rehash of the previous posts...maybe we'll talk about what these different life forms would look like. Clouds of matter? Microscopic? Green? Use radio transmission or communicate telepathically? Maybe have consciousness but not the appropriate limbs and motility to build any advanced technologies? What different forms can life take?

[broncofan]

...Oh wait, that's where the angels are right?...Goddammit, hardly ever post and still fuck up when I do.
There's no rule against serial posting:)....at least I better hope not.

[sukumvit boy]

I guess I'm curious how long we've been listening? If a message is sent from 5 billion light years away (and for a presumably finite period of time), why should we expect to hear it within the infinitesimally short period we've been listening? There also has to be an equation for the small odds of synchronizing transmissions with their receipt. Which cuts back to Trish's point about the average length of time a civilization can sustain itself and not go dark vs. the distances traversed.
Yes , there are a whole multitude of modifications to the original Drake Equation , which yielded an original result of between 1000 and 100,000 civilizations in our Milky Way Galaxy alone. Many of those are listed in the extended Wiki link above.
Planet hunting in our galaxy over the last 10 years has revealed over 2000 planets orbiting `nearby` stars. Additionally , as we learn more about the effects of such things as ice ages on the evolution of life on our planet we use those factors to modify the original Drake Equation.

http://www.astrobio.net/alien-life/the-drake-equation-revisited-an-interview-with-sara-seager/

[nitron]

Consider the following, as an example and as a contrast to the idea, of vastly more advanced civilization encountering a vastly less advanced civilization. The idea here is , they(advanced) would not necessarily behave like Cortez did with the Aztecas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd0I1xAICOc

And as far as , "Where are they? If there there..." This video also answers the question, very well. The aborigines had no awareness of such civilization as our Western one,largely thanks to Anthropologists choosing to put off meeting them .and, despite the fact, both live on the same planet.
So , the "Aliens" being more advanced , could simply hide in plain sight, or cloaking technologies, or inside the earth or around the vicinity of our Solar System. It would not be hard for them to evade and stay undetected. And, to the extent which these phenomena display themselves , suggests that they are firmly in control.
Finally echoing my earlier point, they would be very careful as to how they interact with us, considering the huge cosmic considerations of future evolution of an intelligent species.Think , " Prime Directive", and although now were still bound to the earth, our descendants, Cyborg's or AI , will affect other worlds in the future. A cosmic effect. Serious stuff , not to be taken lightly.

[Stavros]

I recall a memorable phrase from the obituary of a cosmologist even though I can't recall his name- planet Earth orbits the Sun in 'a quiet corner of the Universe' and this is one reason why life in the form we know it has survived when other planets are buffeted by colossal asteroids, convulsed in giant tsunamis and earthquakes, submerged in toxic gases or just balls of dust like the Moon.

The idea that alien life is out there and that it is significantly more advanced than ours is loaded with the conceit that 'they' are superior to us but that this is because they are superior versions of us, rather than being truly alien and wholly different from us. You can see this in the two contrasts as treated in cinema -The Day the Earth Stood Still -good aliens; War of the Worlds -bad aliens. Close Encounters of the Third Kind -good aliens; Alien -bad alien; Arrival -good alien; Transformers -bad alien, and so on. What seems to unite them is that the aliens are either pseudo-or-supra-human, or reptilian, the insect-lizard form appealing in some much as Godzilla in Japan.

What also unites this debate is whether or not immigrants are a curse or a blessing, whether or not they add to existing culture, or are a threat to it. It is hardly surprising that foreigners entering a country are often, for legal reasons referred to as Aliens, and you could interpret all films about aliens in the context of immigrants or foreign invaders with devastating weapons or power, vide Godzilla as post-nuclear catastrophe; Invasion of the Body Snatchers was straight outta McCarthy -the Communists are here, they are all around us, have taken human form, and you don't know it. But on a given day at a pre-arranged signal, they are going to take over, and there ain't nothin' you can do about it.

Another argument is that while it is statistically possible life forms exist elsewhere in the cosmos, the chemical elements propose life-forms that may be little advanced than microbes and worms rather than super-fantastic techno marvels where illness is cured with the swipe of a ray-gun, though it does make one wonder where the disease comes from. Most of all, the thought that we are alone does not appeal to scientists, but may appeal to those who think this is the point of God's creation which is what we are.

Only it could be that having experimented once, God looked at the results and declared, if only to himself/herself/itself -Hmmm, I won't be doing that again!

[trish]

Kim Stanley Robinson wrote a book a few years ago called Aurora. It’s about an attempt to send a colony of people to an exoplanet (in a goldilocks zone), terraform it and live there. The trip there (if I recall - its been awhile since I read it) required that several generations survive in a terrarium-like space ship until they reach their destination. The book details the difficulties encountered along the journey, and the difficulties encountered on the exoplanet.

I think the upshot of the story is to raise the question, “Could it be that life is inseparable from the planet or moon with which it co-evolved?” One of the characters addresses Fermi’s question and claims there are no visitors because “life is a planetary expression, and can only survive on its home planet.”

It’s an interesting read (504 pages), if your into that kind of thing.

[Stavros]

I think the upshot of the story is to raise the question, “Could it be that life is inseparable from the planet or moon with which it co-evolved?” One of the characters addresses Fermi’s question and claims there are no visitors because “life is a planetary expression, and can only survive on its home planet.”


If I make it to Planet Zingalong, the question is, will I still be able to have fish and chips on a Friday night like I do on Earth? Coz otherwise I'm staying here.

[Laphroaig]

Kim Stanley Robinson wrote a book a few years ago called Aurora. It’s about an attempt to send a colony of people to an exoplanet (in a goldilocks zone), terraform it and live there. The trip there (if I recall - its been awhile since I read it) required that several generations survive in a terrarium-like space ship until they reach their destination. The book details the difficulties encountered along the journey, and the difficulties encountered on the exoplanet.

I think the upshot of the story is to raise the question, “Could it be that life is inseparable from the planet or moon with which it co-evolved?” One of the characters addresses Fermi’s question and claims there are no visitors because “life is a planetary expression, and can only survive on its home planet.”

It’s an interesting read (504 pages), if your into that kind of thing.

Sounds similar to the beginning of his Mars trilogy, which I must revisit someday as I'm not sure I actually finished the 3rd book.


If I make it to Planet Zingalong, the question is, will I still be able to have fish and chips on a Friday night like I do on Earth? Coz otherwise I'm staying here.

If not, there's a business opportunity there, Stavros Fish & Chip Shop.

[fred41]

If not, there's a business opportunity there, Stavros Fish & Chip Shop.

Unless Planet Zingalong is also known as "Planet of the Codfish".

[Stavros]

If not, there's a business opportunity there, Stavros Fish & Chip Shop.

Since my retirement noone can get a good kebab around here, innit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNQ8FTL5DoU

[trish]

If you're planing to have fish and chip meals with your family via Skype, you may have some difficulty coordinating Zingalong Fridays with Earth Fridays.

[Stavros]

Look, Ma, another article from the Guardian!

But it does debunk the 'aliens' of Roswell...again...a good read.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/sep/30/alien-photo-roswell-new-mexico-mystery

[nitron]

Luis Elizondo,
also scroll down to the video of,,,and look at his eyes.......

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/us/pilot-david-fravor-ufo-jim-sciutto-outfront-cnntv/index.html

and .........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJe1iUuAW4M

[nitron]

But it could also be covert se-opp,,, so maybe...tred carefully.


Maybe this is better for you......
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2212594/aliens-are-everywhere-and-may-be-woven-into-fabric-of-reality-itself-says-radical-scientist/

[Stavros]

Last year I saw one of the David Attenborough programmes about life on earth, but can't recall precisely which one, where they went into the deep ocean and discovered living creatures where the pressure per inch would burst a human brain, where there was no light, and precious little to eat. In effect, there should have been no life at all. It made me wonder if in the sub-surface of Mars there might be enough water and oxygen to sustain life, and this article suggests it might. The evidence is from the Atacama Desert where scientists have discovered bugs where they ought not to be-

Scientists have found microbes that have been lying dormant in the soil for decades. Without water, they have entered into something like an incredibly deep sleep – until rains came and woke them back up.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/mars-life-alien-bugs-scientists-nasa-atacama-washing-dormant-microbes-a8229701.html

[sukumvit boy]

Last year I saw one of the David Attenborough programmes about life on earth, but can't recall precisely which one, where they went into the deep ocean and discovered living creatures where the pressure per inch would burst a human brain, where there was no light, and precious little to eat. In effect, there should have been no life at all. It made me wonder if in the sub-surface of Mars there might be enough water and oxygen to sustain life, and this article suggests it might. The evidence is from the Atacama Desert where scientists have discovered bugs where they ought not to be-
Scientists have found microbes that have been lying dormant in the soil for decades. Without water, they have entered into something like an incredibly deep sleep – until rains came and woke them back up.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/mars-life-alien-bugs-scientists-nasa-atacama-washing-dormant-microbes-a8229701.html
That was Planet Earth, season 1 "Deep Ocean" episode , very well done
The Atacama Desert is one if the driest places on earth owing to the cold Humboldt Current which which runs north along the west coast of South America and causes all the warm moist Pacific air to condense and drop all its rain at sea before reaching the mainland , as well as the high Andes Mountains which force the air up into the high cold atmosphere which repeats the drying process. Home of some of the worlds newest great telescopes due to the dry stable air.

[Stavros]

Now it is claimed that not only have Aliens 'visited' Earth, they are long time residents, often at the dinner table...

Octopuses are aliens. That’s the claim being made by a team of 33 researchers published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

They are not referring to aliens in a metaphorical sense, but literal aliens from outer space.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/octopus-aliens-scientists-theory-meteors-space-earth-cambrian-explosion-a8358631.html

[trish]

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2018/04/19/squids-from-spaaaaaaaaace/

[buttslinger]

Fake News to distract from Politics.

[bluesoul]

fantastic avatar you have there buttslinger. anne was a goddess and something else. women like her don't come around very often.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4LFt2GW9utKMOlxKQpFqjftAZa7XEU 3Ab-15aeOCeI2aRTh93

[buttslinger]

10-4 She was an alien too. No, wait, she grew up on another planet, was she an alien?