please forgive my ignorance...

[waltham]

... But is there a difference between a TS , a she male, and a ladyboy? I thought they were the same thing but several adverts refer to them in the alternative. Even LLB web site has them as different categories.

[Prospero]

Not a difference - but TS is short for Transsexual - which is what transgendered girls prefer to be called. Ladyboys generally refers to girls from Thailand and nearby points and shemale is a term used mainly in the porn or escorting business. In my experience very few TS women like that word.

TV is transvestite.

[waltham]

Thx Prospero. I had the TV part. I think I get the active passive element, and also the versatile bit. Are top or bottom the same thing as well? Sorry to ask what are probably obvious to the rest of you.

[Prospero]

Top is a girl or a guy) who is wholly or prefers to be the active partner. In S & M it has a different connotation - being the dominatrix. Bottom is the person who gives themselves over to be used - either to be fucked or in an S& M context to be dominated.

[waltham]

Thx prospero... BTW autocorrect tells me you are in fact prosperous lol.

[Prospero]

No... I am Prospero

[Ts RedVeX]

I believe that officially "TS" which stands for "transsexual" is a term that still refers to someone that aims at and undergoes full sex reassignment at some point in their life. Hence, it is wrong to use the word to refer to a shemale or a ladyboy who are in fact transgendered and quite happy with what they were born with down below. They identify themselves neither as male nor female whereas transsexuals' gender identity is clearly determined.

Despite that, punters and providers, we do not give a flying fuck to the definitions and we will use whatever sells better, causing chaos in the less-interested people's minds.

[LibertyHarkness]

i like the term Ladyboy its cute lol

[waltham]

Why thankyou ladies that helps. I feel I have got to grips with the terminology. I am comfortable with going with a TS and have no issues paying. All I have to do now is find the right one for me....no easy task given all the fake adverts, photo shopped pictures, or ladies who promise the world but deliver a poor service. But I am getting there... A whole new world of fun awaits me.

Prospero .... Are you a fan of Shakespeare?

[rodinuk]

..or should that be Marlowe?

[Ms.Stepford]

Bottom is the person who gives themselves over to be used

I have to disagree with this definition.

There are plenty of times when, though a cock may have been firmly in my ass, I was definitely using the guy.

[Ecstatic]

Ladyboy is a loose translation of the Thai kathoey, a term that has been adopted in other Southeast Asian countries such as the Philippines, where it is used to specify transgendered women as opposed to the traditional bakla (Tagalog) or bayot (Cebanu). The preferred term, especially in a non-porn, non-escort situation, is Transpinay. In Japan, they are commonly called newhalf. In Thailand, other terms are also used, such as sao praphet song (“a second kind of woman”) and phet thee sam (“the third sex/gender”).

[waltham]

OK now I have read GG several times... This means???

[Instrumental]

Genetic girl.

[waltham]

Ah OK that makes sense thx

[rodinuk]

Although many of its entries are American this glossary raided off the net is quite useful in decoding some acronyms:

AAMP = Apartment Asian Massage Parlor. Based in a residential apartment instead of a commercial storefront.
ABC = american born chinese
ABJ = american born japanese
Agency = a company that manages calls, bookings, and advertising for a group of escorts.
AMP = Asian Massage Parlor. A retail establishment staffed by Asians.
analingus = licking anus
AO = Asian Only. AO AMP = AMP servicing Asian clients only
Asian = analingus
Asian Cowgirl = girl on top, squatting
ASP = Adult Service Provider, or alt.sex.prostitution newsgroup
ATF = all time favorite
ATM = ass to mouth = penis, toy, finger goes from ass to mouth.
attempts = trying to orgasm
Aunt Flo = menstruation, period
B&S = bait and switch = person who shows up is a different one than advertised
babyback = petite, young, attractive Asian
balloons = breast implants
BB = bareback = without condom
BJ = blowjob = oral sex = fellatio
BBBJ = bare back blow job = BJ without condom, beebeebeejay
BBBJTC = bare back blow job to completion (in mouth)
BBBJTCIM = bare back blow job to completion in mouth
BBBJTCNQNS = bare back blow job to completion, no quit, no spit
BBBJTCWS = bare back blow job to completion with swallow
BBBJWF = bare back blow job with facial
BBFS = bare back sex
BBK = big beautiful knockers
BBW = big beautiful woman
BCD = behind closed doors
BDSM = bondage, discipline, sado-masochism.
BF = boy friend
BFE = boy friend experience
birdwatching = BBBJTCWS
BLS = ball licking and sucking
Blue Jay = blow job
blue pill = Viagra
BNG = blow and go, 15 min session max, oral only
BSB = bus stop babe
butter face = everything looks good, 'but her' face
BTW = by the way
cash and dash = ROB who takes your money then runs
CBJ = covered blow job = BJ with condom
CC Rider = full service provider costing $200 or less
CD = cross dresser
CDS = covered doggy style
CFS = covered full service = Sex with condom
CG = cowgirl = girl on top facing you
CH = Crazy Horse, San Francisco Strip Club
CIM = cum in mouth
CL = craigslist.org
CMD = carpet matches drapes, typically a natural blonde
CMT = Certified Massage Therapist. A professional masseuse.
Cowgirl = CG = girl on top facing you
cover = condom
cruising = driving around, looking for streetwalkers
cups of coffee = releases = orgasms
DAP = digital anal probe = finger in anus
DATO = dining at the o = analingus
DATY = dining at the y = cunnilingus
DDP = double digit penetration, kitty and anus
DS = doggy style
DSL = dick sucking lips
Dodge = streetwalker stroll: Mission Blvd, between A St and 14th St, see 22500 Mission Blvd, Hayward, CA
Doggie = man behind girl, girl on hands and knees
donation = payment
Doubles = A threesome with two girls and you
DDE = doesn't do extras (PS only)
DDG = drop dead gorgeous
DFK = deep french kissing, open mouth with tongue
DIY = do it yourself (masturbation)
DP = double penetration, two guys on one girl
DT = deep throat, entire length of penis taken in mouth
ECR = el camino real
EOM = end of message. No text in message body.
escort = a temporary companion for hire
facial = cumming on partner's face
FBSM = full body sensual massage, typically includes HJ
FBSM+ = FBSM + bonus, usually BJ
FIA = finger in ass
fire and ice = a blowjob switching between hot tea and ice
FIR = finger in rear
FIV = finger in vagina
FKK = Frei Körper Kultur. German brothel / nudist club.
FOB = fresh off the boat. Asian immigrant recently arrived in the US.
FOV = finger outside vagina
French = BJ
French Letter = condom
French Kiss = Kissing with tongue insertion
FS = full service = BJ + Sex
FDAU = face down ass up
Get Brain = blow job
Get Comfortable = get completely naked
GFE = girlfriend experience, doesn't mean anything these days. RBGFE = BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG
GFE lite = Lite-GFE = SafeGFE = light RBGFE, = RBGFE with substitutions: CBJ vs BBBJ and sometimes no/light kissing vs DFK.
GFE++ = RBGFE with extras (like CIM, swallow, greek)
GG = Golden Gypsy. defunct, famous Berkeley massage parlor
GND = girl next door
Greek = anal sex, back door
GS = golden shower = urination play
GSM = g-spot massage
happy ending = A handjob (usually) or blowjob after your massage
hardwood floors = clean shaven kitty
Hat = condom
HDH = high dollar hottie
HE = happy ending
HJ = hand job = a manual / hand release
HH = half hour
HM = high mileage
HME = honeymoon experience, lapdog heaven
HWP = height and weight proportionate
hooker = prostitute
IMHO = in my humble opinion
interpreter = condom
Italian = penis rubbing between butt cheeks
ISO = in search of
KGFE = Korean GFE, usually RBGFE except with CBJ
kitty = vagina (Bald=clean shaven; Partly Shaved=landing strip; Trimmed = manicured; Natural)
Lapdog = person who worships providers to excess.
LASER = Mini review format: Looks, Attitude, Sex, Expense, Repeat?
LD = lap dance
LDL = low dollar looker (opposite of HDH)
LE = ellie = law enforcement
LK = light kissing, closed mouth
LMP = latina massage parlor
LOS = land of smiles = Thailand
LPIN = legal prostitute in Nevada
mamasan = female manager of a massage parlor
MBOT = Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theatre, San Francisco Strip Club
MBR = multiple bell ringing = MSOG
MILF = mom I'd like to f-ck
Mish = missionary position, or the SF Mission District
Missionary = man on top, girl on back
mohawk = thin rectangular strip of pubic hair
monty = streetwalker stroll: Monterey/1st St San Jose CA
MP = massage parlor
MP = multiple pops = multiple releases
MSC = Market Street Cinema, San Francisco Strip Club
MSOG = multiple shots on goal = multiple releases
NCT = New Century Theatre, San Francisco Strip Club
non-pro = civilian, not a professional provider
NP = no problem
NSA = no strings attached
OP = original poster, original post
OWO = oral without condom
OWOTC = oral without condom to completion
P2P = private to private, typically uncovered, rubbing of penis with vagina without penetration
papasan = male manager of a massage parlor
party hat = condom
PIV = penis in vagina
PL = Pathetic Loser
PM = prostate massage or private message (inbox)
PO = phone operator (for making appointments)
PS = private show (Dance)
PSE = Porn Star Experience
PV = private viewing (Dance)
PYT = pretty young thing
RA = relaxation assistant, masseuse in a massage parlor
raincoat = condom
RB = myredbook.com
RBGFE = myRedBook's definintion of GFE (BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG)
RBGFE+ = RBGFE + bonus, could be greek, cim, swallow
Reverse cowgirl = RCG = girl on top facing away
Reverse massage = you massage her
rimming = analingus
RMP = Russian Massage Parlor
ROB = Rip Off Bitch
Roman shower = vomit play
RPG = role playing games
Russian = penis rubbing between breasts = Pearl Necklace = titty fuck
SC = Strip Club
self-service = you masturbate
semi-pro = someone who escorts informally as a side business.
SF = San Francisco
SG = street girl
shill = an insider posing as a satisfied customer
SO = significant other
SOG = shot on goal = one release
SOMF = sat on my face
south of the border = gential region
southern france = BBBJ
SP = Service Provider
SPA = streetwalker stroll: San Pablo Avenue in Oakland, CA
spanish = ATM = ass to mouth
spinner = very petite, thin girl
starfish = anus, or girl that is unresponsive in bed
STD = sexually transmitted disease
stroll = path frequented by street walkers
SW = street walker
TAMP = Therapeutic Asian Massage Parlor
teabag = man squats and dips balls in partner's mouth
TG = transgender
TGTBT = too good to be true
TIA = thanks in advance
Tina = crystal meth
TJ = Tijuana, Mexico
TL = Tenderloin district, San Francisco. between Van Ness Ave, Post St, Taylor St, and Golden Gate Ave
TLC = tender loving care
TLD = topless lap dance
tossing salad = analingus
Trip to islands = greek = anal sex
Troll = rude and hideous PL
Trolling = Posting thinly disguised ads in a discussion forum
TOFTT = Take one for the team. In reference to a new, non-reviewed provider.
TS = transexual
TUMA = tongue up my ass
TV = transvestite
UTF = Untranslated French = BBBJ
UTR = under the radar, does not advertise
WTF = What the fuck? (I'm rather surprised by this)
XOXO = Kisses & Hugs
YMMV = Your mileage may vary. Your service level could be different than reported by others. Applies to everyone, some more so than others.
1/2 and 1/2 = half and half = oral sex + full service
411 = seeking information
420 = 4:20 = marijuana
69 = two people giving each other oral sex at the same time

[Drizzy]

is there a name for a boy takes hormones and gets breasts but isnt transexual. He knows hes a boy and sees himself as such.

[Jamie French]

That's not a thing.

I dude did it once and he was only ever called whatever his first name was.


is there a name for a boy takes hormones and gets breasts but isnt transexual. He knows hes a boy and sees himself as such.

[Drizzy]

That's not a thing.

I dude did it once and he was only ever called whatever his first name was.

Lots do it. my exs friend is doing it and ive seen many cds and drags queens do it.

[Jamie French]

Nah.


Lots do it. my exs friend is doing it and ive seen many cds and drags queens do it.

[Prospero]

Rod... are you one of those who think the Bard was not really someone called Shakespeare but someone else? Christopher Marlowe's plays make it abundantly clear he could not have written the works of Shakespeare. Compare The Jew of Malta or Tamurlane with even the Bard's lesser works to see that....

And yes - Shakespeare was more than a genius.

[broncofan]

Rod... are you one of those who think the Bard was not really someone called Shakespeare but someone else? Christopher Marlowe's plays make it abundantly clear he could not have written the works of Shakespeare. Compare The Jew of Malta or Tamurlane with even the Bard's lesser works to see that....

And yes - Shakespeare was more than a genius.
When I read the various theories about who could be Shakespeare and got to Marlowe's name I thought exactly the same thing. I've only read the Jew of Malta by Marlowe, but there is no learning curve that gets you from there to any of Shakespeare's works I've read.

If you just compare the plot lines of the Merchant of Venice and the Jew of Malta; in Shakespeare you have a man who has considered every angle and motive to a man in Marlowe who wasn't capable of anything better than a melodrama with elements of fantasy. Then there's the language, an unquantifiable difference, but an obvious one to me.

I realize this is a thread hijack, but I've been meaning to say that about the Marlowe theory myself. Apologies to Rodinuk if you disagree, but had to get my two cents in too.

[Prospero]

It is a thread hijack... so back to more important things. Lust....as the bard wrote for the title character in the Scottish Play...
"But there's no bottom, none,
In my voluptuousness: your wives, your daughters,
Your matrons and your maids, could not fill up
The cistern of my lust."

[Tapatio]

If you use this to vet a potential sex partner, one very important acronym is missing.

TAN. Tested and negative.


Although many of its entries are American this glossary raided off the net is quite useful in decoding some acronyms:

AAMP = Apartment Asian Massage Parlor. Based in a residential apartment instead of a commercial storefront.
ABC = american born chinese
ABJ = american born japanese
Agency = a company that manages calls, bookings, and advertising for a group of escorts.
AMP = Asian Massage Parlor. A retail establishment staffed by Asians.
analingus = licking anus
AO = Asian Only. AO AMP = AMP servicing Asian clients only
Asian = analingus
Asian Cowgirl = girl on top, squatting
ASP = Adult Service Provider, or alt.sex.prostitution newsgroup
ATF = all time favorite
ATM = ass to mouth = penis, toy, finger goes from ass to mouth.
attempts = trying to orgasm
Aunt Flo = menstruation, period
B&S = bait and switch = person who shows up is a different one than advertised
babyback = petite, young, attractive Asian
balloons = breast implants
BB = bareback = without condom
BJ = blowjob = oral sex = fellatio
BBBJ = bare back blow job = BJ without condom, beebeebeejay
BBBJTC = bare back blow job to completion (in mouth)
BBBJTCIM = bare back blow job to completion in mouth
BBBJTCNQNS = bare back blow job to completion, no quit, no spit
BBBJTCWS = bare back blow job to completion with swallow
BBBJWF = bare back blow job with facial
BBFS = bare back sex
BBK = big beautiful knockers
BBW = big beautiful woman
BCD = behind closed doors
BDSM = bondage, discipline, sado-masochism.
BF = boy friend
BFE = boy friend experience
birdwatching = BBBJTCWS
BLS = ball licking and sucking
Blue Jay = blow job
blue pill = Viagra
BNG = blow and go, 15 min session max, oral only
BSB = bus stop babe
butter face = everything looks good, 'but her' face
BTW = by the way
cash and dash = ROB who takes your money then runs
CBJ = covered blow job = BJ with condom
CC Rider = full service provider costing $200 or less
CD = cross dresser
CDS = covered doggy style
CFS = covered full service = Sex with condom
CG = cowgirl = girl on top facing you
CH = Crazy Horse, San Francisco Strip Club
CIM = cum in mouth
CL = craigslist.org
CMD = carpet matches drapes, typically a natural blonde
CMT = Certified Massage Therapist. A professional masseuse.
Cowgirl = CG = girl on top facing you
cover = condom
cruising = driving around, looking for streetwalkers
cups of coffee = releases = orgasms
DAP = digital anal probe = finger in anus
DATO = dining at the o = analingus
DATY = dining at the y = cunnilingus
DDP = double digit penetration, kitty and anus
DS = doggy style
DSL = dick sucking lips
Dodge = streetwalker stroll: Mission Blvd, between A St and 14th St, see 22500 Mission Blvd, Hayward, CA
Doggie = man behind girl, girl on hands and knees
donation = payment
Doubles = A threesome with two girls and you
DDE = doesn't do extras (PS only)
DDG = drop dead gorgeous
DFK = deep french kissing, open mouth with tongue
DIY = do it yourself (masturbation)
DP = double penetration, two guys on one girl
DT = deep throat, entire length of penis taken in mouth
ECR = el camino real
EOM = end of message. No text in message body.
escort = a temporary companion for hire
facial = cumming on partner's face
FBSM = full body sensual massage, typically includes HJ
FBSM+ = FBSM + bonus, usually BJ
FIA = finger in ass
fire and ice = a blowjob switching between hot tea and ice
FIR = finger in rear
FIV = finger in vagina
FKK = Frei Körper Kultur. German brothel / nudist club.
FOB = fresh off the boat. Asian immigrant recently arrived in the US.
FOV = finger outside vagina
French = BJ
French Letter = condom
French Kiss = Kissing with tongue insertion
FS = full service = BJ + Sex
FDAU = face down ass up
Get Brain = blow job
Get Comfortable = get completely naked
GFE = girlfriend experience, doesn't mean anything these days. RBGFE = BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG
GFE lite = Lite-GFE = SafeGFE = light RBGFE, = RBGFE with substitutions: CBJ vs BBBJ and sometimes no/light kissing vs DFK.
GFE++ = RBGFE with extras (like CIM, swallow, greek)
GG = Golden Gypsy. defunct, famous Berkeley massage parlor
GND = girl next door
Greek = anal sex, back door
GS = golden shower = urination play
GSM = g-spot massage
happy ending = A handjob (usually) or blowjob after your massage
hardwood floors = clean shaven kitty
Hat = condom
HDH = high dollar hottie
HE = happy ending
HJ = hand job = a manual / hand release
HH = half hour
HM = high mileage
HME = honeymoon experience, lapdog heaven
HWP = height and weight proportionate
hooker = prostitute
IMHO = in my humble opinion
interpreter = condom
Italian = penis rubbing between butt cheeks
ISO = in search of
KGFE = Korean GFE, usually RBGFE except with CBJ
kitty = vagina (Bald=clean shaven; Partly Shaved=landing strip; Trimmed = manicured; Natural)
Lapdog = person who worships providers to excess.
LASER = Mini review format: Looks, Attitude, Sex, Expense, Repeat?
LD = lap dance
LDL = low dollar looker (opposite of HDH)
LE = ellie = law enforcement
LK = light kissing, closed mouth
LMP = latina massage parlor
LOS = land of smiles = Thailand
LPIN = legal prostitute in Nevada
mamasan = female manager of a massage parlor
MBOT = Mitchell Brothers O'Farrell Theatre, San Francisco Strip Club
MBR = multiple bell ringing = MSOG
MILF = mom I'd like to f-ck
Mish = missionary position, or the SF Mission District
Missionary = man on top, girl on back
mohawk = thin rectangular strip of pubic hair
monty = streetwalker stroll: Monterey/1st St San Jose CA
MP = massage parlor
MP = multiple pops = multiple releases
MSC = Market Street Cinema, San Francisco Strip Club
MSOG = multiple shots on goal = multiple releases
NCT = New Century Theatre, San Francisco Strip Club
non-pro = civilian, not a professional provider
NP = no problem
NSA = no strings attached
OP = original poster, original post
OWO = oral without condom
OWOTC = oral without condom to completion
P2P = private to private, typically uncovered, rubbing of penis with vagina without penetration
papasan = male manager of a massage parlor
party hat = condom
PIV = penis in vagina
PL = Pathetic Loser
PM = prostate massage or private message (inbox)
PO = phone operator (for making appointments)
PS = private show (Dance)
PSE = Porn Star Experience
PV = private viewing (Dance)
PYT = pretty young thing
RA = relaxation assistant, masseuse in a massage parlor
raincoat = condom
RB = myredbook.com
RBGFE = myRedBook's definintion of GFE (BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG)
RBGFE+ = RBGFE + bonus, could be greek, cim, swallow
Reverse cowgirl = RCG = girl on top facing away
Reverse massage = you massage her
rimming = analingus
RMP = Russian Massage Parlor
ROB = Rip Off Bitch
Roman shower = vomit play
RPG = role playing games
Russian = penis rubbing between breasts = Pearl Necklace = titty fuck
SC = Strip Club
self-service = you masturbate
semi-pro = someone who escorts informally as a side business.
SF = San Francisco
SG = street girl
shill = an insider posing as a satisfied customer
SO = significant other
SOG = shot on goal = one release
SOMF = sat on my face
south of the border = gential region
southern france = BBBJ
SP = Service Provider
SPA = streetwalker stroll: San Pablo Avenue in Oakland, CA
spanish = ATM = ass to mouth
spinner = very petite, thin girl
starfish = anus, or girl that is unresponsive in bed
STD = sexually transmitted disease
stroll = path frequented by street walkers
SW = street walker
TAMP = Therapeutic Asian Massage Parlor
teabag = man squats and dips balls in partner's mouth
TG = transgender
TGTBT = too good to be true
TIA = thanks in advance
Tina = crystal meth
TJ = Tijuana, Mexico
TL = Tenderloin district, San Francisco. between Van Ness Ave, Post St, Taylor St, and Golden Gate Ave
TLC = tender loving care
TLD = topless lap dance
tossing salad = analingus
Trip to islands = greek = anal sex
Troll = rude and hideous PL
Trolling = Posting thinly disguised ads in a discussion forum
TOFTT = Take one for the team. In reference to a new, non-reviewed provider.
TS = transexual
TUMA = tongue up my ass
TV = transvestite
UTF = Untranslated French = BBBJ
UTR = under the radar, does not advertise
WTF = What the fuck? (I'm rather surprised by this)
XOXO = Kisses & Hugs
YMMV = Your mileage may vary. Your service level could be different than reported by others. Applies to everyone, some more so than others.
1/2 and 1/2 = half and half = oral sex + full service
411 = seeking information
420 = 4:20 = marijuana
69 = two people giving each other oral sex at the same time