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TSPornFan
09-11-2014, 09:34 PM
Joey Silvera and Jay Sin are the two most known and respected directors in TS porn. Grooby also has recognizable directors such as Blackula, RadiusDark and Luica Matthews. Kink's very own director Tomcat has made a name for himself. TS Seduction and TS Pussy Hunters are Kink's TS sites.

In my opinion Tomcat comes off as the type of director who films what he thinks is hot and does not consider what the paying customers find attractive. It's super easy to tell when directors are shooting for themselves. A few months ago a member complained that Venus Lux was being overbooked on the site and Tomcat told him to be thankful for having a new scene with Venus. Really? We all know Venus is great, but let's be real. Why should any customer be happy when he is bored of seeing the same person?

His scenes are just mostly bad and repetitive. Seduction should be removed from TS Seduction because Isis Love's seduction theme is rarely used anymore. He thinks everyone has a foot fetish. It's very rare to not see any foot worship or feet fucking in his scenes. He tries to shoot POV scenes with Ts women topping men. That's impossible to shoot as a POV. It can work the other way around with the guy fucking the TS and she sucking his cock because that's not any different than POV in straight porn.

I remember when me and a lot of members at TS Seduction requested to Joanna Jet because she was at TS Pussy Hunters and Tomcat said Joanna Jet doesn't top men. Everyone here knows that is a lie. His comments have since been removed because the old forum was delete in place of a new forum.

A few months ago I made a topic about the ridiculous lack of white TS women on the site. There are only two scenes this year featuring white TS women. Many members including myself suggested Nina Lawless and Eva Cassini. History repeated itself as Tomcat said they prefer women. We know both of these fine women have done scenes with men and Nina topped in her latest Transsexual Cheerleaders scene. Eva have I told me in posts that she would try a scene for the site.

He is by far one of the worst bookers (wrestling term) in TS porn. Yasmin Lee and Venus Lux live at TS Seduction. Eva Lin was also living there before she signed with Trans500. Members requested to see Karabella and Tomcat had no idea who she was. He stopped booking Jesse and she was one of the site's poplar models. Carmen Moore only has two scenes from many years ago and was never bought back. Madison Montag, Nelly Taylor, Nody Nadia, Jonelle Brooks, Natalia Coxxx, and Ashley George have never been featured on the site while they are or were active in the business.

TS Pussy Hunter's bookings have been awful this year. I'm my opinion is extremely bias. Damn the site looks like flat chested highway. There's less and less genetic girls and T-Girls with big tits on the site. I'm speaking for myself, it's sad to see very few to no scenes with a busty T-Girl with a busty genetic girl.

Tomcat banned my original TS Seduction account because I said Isis Love was a far better director than him. He has banned many members over the years and deleted a lot of negative feedback. I do question why does a director have access to my account's information.

What do you think of Tomcat? Do you like his work?

GroobySteven
09-11-2014, 11:01 PM
I don't know his work but I know of him, as I don't watch TS topping videos but here's the big news ... every director worth their salt - from Buddy Wood, to Joey Silvera, Tony Vee, Radius Dark, Omar, Remy, Jack Flash, Frank, Bob, Devils, Ed Hunter, Jamie French, Bird Mountain, Hiro, Lucia, Terry, Joanna Jet, Blackula and even myself, shoot what turns us on. That's why our content resonates with some people - and not with others.

I could never shoot what Radius Dark does (lots of feet among other things), or Joanna (filth!!!) ... I shot more like Buddy or Tony (voyeuristic - a lot of ass shots!) because it turned me on and I was good at it. We've tried having producers shoot content that's not really their thing - it's bland and it failed - and it cost us a lot of money. I've probably over $1m in un-used or failed content sitting in storage.

Where sites like Grooby sites or other DVD producers succeed is in putting together the right mix of producers to (hopefully) deliver content that most people, will find something they like. I think solo producer sites like Bob's and Franks - or even series like Joey's have a harder job - as they either have to appeal to a good selection, or only ever be able to make sales from a small section of the buyers.

KellyKlaymour
09-12-2014, 03:46 AM
@TSPornFan
Have you seen my first scene on TSPH with Ava Devine? Oh my were her knockers divine;P lol. On the 26th of this month, I'm paired up with Jessica Fox, Bella Rossi, and Mia Li for a test shoot..lots of boobies there:) Still have yet to find out who I'm with on the 29th, but we'll see!
For what it's worth, I think TomCat is fun to work with, he's got a great sense of humour and Aaron, the camera guy, and him together are a riot<3

legault
09-12-2014, 04:36 AM
i do not like the sites you mention i am not into ts topping men and ts topping girl is boring to me, i would prefer men topping ts or ts with other ts because i watch ts porn for the ts

so i cant really judge his direction on a technical level because i automatically dislike the content

RadiusDark
09-12-2014, 05:13 AM
"I could never shoot what Radius Dark does (lots of feet among other things), or Joanna (filth!!!) ... I shot more like Buddy or Tony (voyeuristic - a lot of ass shots!) because it turned me on and I was good at it."

Two pages of ass shots? All feet, no ass?

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpfls5DsE81qf6xzyo3_250.gif

But I can do this...

Donkey
09-12-2014, 07:07 AM
I thought Tomcat was a woman? Who is the woman who you see/hear in some of the scenes? Looks/sounds dyke...

Tapatio
09-12-2014, 07:50 AM
I thought Tomcat was a woman? Who is the woman who you see/hear in some of the scenes? Looks/sounds dyke...

Clearly a dude....


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lordworm
09-12-2014, 08:39 AM
I think Kink just needs more varied directors. They definitely need someone that likes filming TS on TS. They already have a quintillion scenes of TS on GG.

That's why I like Grooby, lots of variety. And Louie Damazo films tons of TS on TS, heaven.

christianxxx
09-12-2014, 08:57 AM
Tomcat is FTM

WendyWilliams
09-12-2014, 09:12 AM
He has an ego and has no real touch with the mtf community except his handful of favorites. And I can't believe I am agreeing with Franklin but he does NOT take feedback or even entertain it.

nysprod
09-12-2014, 05:09 PM
He has an ego and has no real touch with the mtf community except his handful of favorites. And I can't believe I am agreeing with Franklin but he does NOT take feedback or even entertain it.

Taking feedback is very much a double edged sword, especially if you have no real metrics to go by.

Let's assume Tomcat makes enough money so as to keep his studios running and turn enough profit, since that's how it looks from the outside...obviously what that means is that he has a pretty good (not perfect) idea of what the people who actually buy his product are looking for.

Now he starts taking feedback from a whole bunch of people without even knowing if they're actually buying what he puts out or worse, if they ever would or could...so he listens to them and risks ending up alienating the people who are spending.

Now, what do these people want? Big dicks, small dicks, white girls, black girls, etc etc etc...the list is endless when it comes to sex and there's no way keep all these people satisfied.

ghbryans1
09-12-2014, 06:39 PM
Kink.com somehow manages to make some very hot concepts completely un-sexy. But you can say that about the majority of porn. And those interviews... Talk about cold water. What are they for? To avoid lawsuits?

lordworm
09-12-2014, 06:41 PM
Taking feedback is very much a double edged sword, especially if you have no real metrics to go by.

Let's assume Tomcat makes enough money so as to keep his studios running and turn enough profit, since that's how it looks from the outside...obviously what that means is that he has a pretty good (not perfect) idea of what the people who actually buy his product are looking for.

Now he starts taking feedback from a whole bunch of people without even knowing if they're actually buying what he puts out or worse, if they ever would or could...so he listens to them and risks ending up alienating the people who are spending.

Now, what do these people want? Big dicks, small dicks, white girls, black girls, etc etc etc...the list is endless when it comes to sex and there's no way keep all these people satisfied.

They offer people the option of just buying a scene and if they did TS on TS scenes I guarantee you I'd buy that scene.

blackchubby38
09-12-2014, 06:46 PM
As a frequent member of both TS Seduction and TS Pussyhunters, I would have to say as a director Tomcat does have his flaws.

While a majority of the videos on both sites have always had great action in them and the girls have always looked phenomenal in them, sometimes they have suffered from poor editing and/or have sounded poorly. Or where you can clearly hear TomCat's voice giving direction, which kind ruins the fantasy that is being played out in the scene.

Then there are ones that due to a performer's ability to maintain erection or just a plain old bad performance, should have ended sooner rather than later. Which brings me to my next point.

Then there are the videos that make you think, "why the hell would they continue filming this scene and/or even release it. The scenes where you can tell there is no chemistry between the performers. Where you're watching two people fuck in complete and utter silence. Not because they're into each other. But more because they're either bored, feel like they have better things to do, or just there to collect a paycheck.

I also have to agree with Franklin on a couple of things. I miss the whole seduction theme of the older scenes. Where there male character is surprised to find out that the woman has a cock. While I do understand the negative connotations that scenario can have in real life, I still find the fantasy of it appealing. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only guy who feels that way.

I also agree with Franklin's point about the lack of white women on TS Seduction. If a person had know prior knowledge of the site and joined it for the first time today, he would probably think theme was about dominating ethnic transsexuals.

While many of those of girls are on my top ten list of best TS Seduction performers, I want to see more of Tyra Scott, Kendra Sinclare, and while I know she just had a scene released a month ago, Aubrey Kate in action. Not to mention Joanna Jet and a few others who I'm sure would be great on the site.

Finally, while I totally support TomCat's decision to remove negative comments about the performers' physical appearance from the comments section, I do think he should listen to some negative feedback about the videos themselves. You can't look at every scene through rose colored glasses. You don't have to listen to and take all of the feedback. But if you notice a running trend among the complaints you may want think your members maybe onto something.

GroobySteven
09-12-2014, 07:27 PM
And those interviews... Talk about cold water. What are they for? To avoid lawsuits?

Exactly. Nobody can claim after the fact they were coerced or done anything they didn't want to.

christianxxx
09-12-2014, 08:29 PM
As a frequent member of both TS Seduction and TS Pussyhunters, I would have to say as a director Tomcat does have his flaws.

While a majority of the videos on both sites have always had great action in them and the girls have always looked phenomenal in them, sometimes they have suffered from poor editing and/or have sounded poorly. Or where you can clearly hear TomCat's voice giving direction, which kind ruins the fantasy that is being played out in the scene.

Then there are ones that due to a performer's ability to maintain erection or just a plain old bad performance, should have ended sooner rather than later. Which brings me to my next point.

Then there are the videos that make you think, "why the hell would they continue filming this scene and/or even release it. The scenes where you can tell there is no chemistry between the performers. Where you're watching two people fuck in complete and utter silence. Not because they're into each other. But more because they're either bored, feel like they have better things to do, or just there to collect a paycheck.

I also have to agree with Franklin on a couple of things. I miss the whole seduction theme of the older scenes. Where there male character is surprised to find out that the woman has a cock. While I do understand the negative connotations that scenario can have in real life, I still find the fantasy of it appealing. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only guy who feels that way.

I also agree with Franklin's point about the lack of white women on TS Seduction. If a person had know prior knowledge of the site and joined it for the first time today, he would probably think theme was about dominating ethnic transsexuals.

While many of those of girls are on my top ten list of best TS Seduction performers, I want to see more of Tyra Scott, Kendra Sinclare, and while I know she just had a scene released a month ago, Aubrey Kate in action. Not to mention Joanna Jet and a few others who I'm sure would be great on the site.

Finally, while I totally support TomCat's decision to remove negative comments about the performers' physical appearance from the comments section, I do think he should listen to some negative feedback about the videos themselves. You can't look at every scene through rose colored glasses. You don't have to listen to and take all of the feedback. But if you notice a running trend among the complaints you may want think your members maybe onto something.

this is perhaps the perfect way to critique a website or director. Franklin's stupid ass should take some notes. kudos to you sir.

TSPornFan
09-12-2014, 11:44 PM
They offer people the option of just buying a scene and if they did TS on TS scenes I guarantee you I'd buy that scene.

People are currently asking him to shoot it. He won't do it. He's playing dumb in the request topic suggesting two TS women and a guy instead of giving people what they want.


this is perhaps the perfect way to critique a website or director. Franklin's stupid ass should take some notes. kudos to you sir.

There is no correct way to critique a website or director. It's funny that you this because he agreed with some of my points.


Taking feedback is very much a double edged sword, especially if you have no real metrics to go by.

Let's assume Tomcat makes enough money so as to keep his studios running and turn enough profit, since that's how it looks from the outside...obviously what that means is that he has a pretty good (not perfect) idea of what the people who actually buy his product are looking for.

Now he starts taking feedback from a whole bunch of people without even knowing if they're actually buying what he puts out or worse, if they ever would or could...so he listens to them and risks ending up alienating the people who are spending.

Now, what do these people want? Big dicks, small dicks, white girls, black girls, etc etc etc...the list is endless when it comes to sex and there's no way keep all these people satisfied.

This type of thinking works in straight porn because if you're making money, then you're doing something right. There is plenty of competition in straight porn. However, there is not any true competition in TS porn because there are not too many companies that shoot TS porn. Devil's Films shoots TS porn, but does not release it on a monthly basis. Reality Junkies need a new director for its TS porn. Shemale Strokers has nearly fallen off the map. Evil Angel, SMC, Kink, and Grooby are the big boys in the yard.

Kink has the best production in TS porn and that's what lures some members to the site. It's kinda Brazzers. People say "Oh it looks good" ,but then say the performances were bad.

They can be very successful with little to no competition in TS fucking women and men niche. Grooby, SMC, and Evil Angel shoot these types of scenes. However, they don't release as consistently as Kink's TS Seduction and TS Pussy Hunters.

TSPornFan
09-12-2014, 11:48 PM
As a frequent member of both TS Seduction and TS Pussyhunters, I would have to say as a director Tomcat does have his flaws.

While a majority of the videos on both sites have always had great action in them and the girls have always looked phenomenal in them, sometimes they have suffered from poor editing and/or have sounded poorly. Or where you can clearly hear TomCat's voice giving direction, which kind ruins the fantasy that is being played out in the scene.

Then there are ones that due to a performer's ability to maintain erection or just a plain old bad performance, should have ended sooner rather than later. Which brings me to my next point.

Then there are the videos that make you think, "why the hell would they continue filming this scene and/or even release it. The scenes where you can tell there is no chemistry between the performers. Where you're watching two people fuck in complete and utter silence. Not because they're into each other. But more because they're either bored, feel like they have better things to do, or just there to collect a paycheck.

I also have to agree with Franklin on a couple of things. I miss the whole seduction theme of the older scenes. Where there male character is surprised to find out that the woman has a cock. While I do understand the negative connotations that scenario can have in real life, I still find the fantasy of it appealing. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only guy who feels that way.

I also agree with Franklin's point about the lack of white women on TS Seduction. If a person had know prior knowledge of the site and joined it for the first time today, he would probably think theme was about dominating ethnic transsexuals.

While many of those of girls are on my top ten list of best TS Seduction performers, I want to see more of Tyra Scott, Kendra Sinclare, and while I know she just had a scene released a month ago, Aubrey Kate in action. Not to mention Joanna Jet and a few others who I'm sure would be great on the site.

Finally, while I totally support TomCat's decision to remove negative comments about the performers' physical appearance from the comments section, I do think he should listen to some negative feedback about the videos themselves. You can't look at every scene through rose colored glasses. You don't have to listen to and take all of the feedback. But if you notice a running trend among the complaints you may want think your members maybe onto something.

I 100% agree with everything you said. I mention the same lack of chemistry about Aubrey Kate's stepsister scene. The concept is freaking fantastic. You have a sexy stepsister and you don't know that she is really a T-Girl! We don't see that in everyday TS porn. However, the scene totally sucked for two reasons. The seduction was not there. Aubrey shared zero chemistry with the guy. They were in utter silence and I heard Tomcat's voice telling them to speak and moan.

RadiusDark
09-13-2014, 12:03 AM
I 100% agree with everything you said. I mention the same lack of chemistry about Aubrey Kate's stepsister scene. The concept is freaking fantastic. You have a sexy stepsister and you don't know that she is really a T-Girl! We don't see that in everyday TS porn. However, the scene totally sucked for two reasons. The seduction was not there. Aubrey shared zero chemistry with the guy. They were in utter silence and I heard Tomcat's voice telling them to speak and moan.

The camera man is responsible for editing the scene and taking out Tomcat's voice (from what I've heard). The director directs, the camera man shoots and edits, the lighting team lights, ect...

Also, why do you say that Shemale Strokers has nearly fallen off the map?

TSPornFan
09-13-2014, 12:10 AM
The camera man is responsible for editing the scene and taking out Tomcat's voice (from what I've heard). The director directs, the camera man shoots and edits, the lighting team lights, ect...

Also, why do you say that Shemale Strokers has nearly fallen off the map?

Shemale Strokers has been very bad this year. In the past I only joined the site for its hardcore content. Its first hardcore for 2014 was finally released this year and is a bad pairing in my opinion. Strokers use to have 5 to 6 hardcore scenes a year and now it has little to nothing. Karabella (pre boob job) has a scene topping a guy on the site.

The solo content doesn't look good. I normally just download the picture sets. The girls' makeup is horrible in so many shots. Some of the shots don't do any justice for girls.

christianxxx
09-13-2014, 12:22 AM
The camera man is responsible for editing the scene and taking out Tomcat's voice (from what I've heard). The director directs, the camera man shoots and edits, the lighting team lights, ect...

Also, why do you say that Shemale Strokers has nearly fallen off the map?

bc they stopped giving a shit about their TS content a few years ago. They started paying less & less, and trying to find new & good talent less & less. They stopped shooting hardcore bc they couldn't afford to quite frankly. Its sad, but when the owner moves and stops caring about his product, the rest of the company can't force him to change anything. its not their company.

lordworm
09-13-2014, 01:52 AM
People are currently asking him to shoot it. He won't do it. He's playing dumb in the request topic suggesting two TS women and a guy instead of giving people what they want.

That sounds pretty bad. If people are asking for it then it should be a profitable scene, with their set up of buying just a scene it won't hurt for them to try.



They can be very successful with little to no competition in TS fucking women and men niche. Grooby, SMC, and Evil Angel shoot these types of scenes. However, they don't release as consistently as Kink's TS Seduction and TS Pussy Hunters.

Evil Angel release like 4-6 TS on GG scenes a month nowadays, it's pretty much all Joey Silvera releases(boring)... He's abandoned my favorite type of scene TS on TS so I avoid all his stuff now.

lifeisfiction
09-13-2014, 01:55 AM
Shemale strokers is not traditionally a hardcore site. For most of the time is masturbation and oral sex. I liked the site and its really a good source for solo shoots. The best part about the site was your chance to see good cum shots. You should know that if this site has been this way from the beginning. I was an early member of that site and I enjoyed its content. I don't think you can complain if its not showing the material you want, and honestly it doesn't hid the fact. Not every site is for everyone and I really don't want every site to be the same. That would be the worst. As long as each porn site adds their own flavor, it will attract those who hold that interest to the site. Not every site will be liked by everyone. Hell, I was one of the few people who thought Playboy was the most boring magazine in the world.

TSPornFan
09-13-2014, 03:04 AM
Shemale strokers is not traditionally a hardcore site. For most of the time is masturbation and oral sex. I liked the site and its really a good source for solo shoots. The best part about the site was your chance to see good cum shots. You should know that if this site has been this way from the beginning. I was an early member of that site and I enjoyed its content. I don't think you can complain if its not showing the material you want, and honestly it doesn't hid the fact. Not every site is for everyone and I really don't want every site to be the same. That would be the worst. As long as each porn site adds their own flavor, it will attract those who hold that interest to the site. Not every site will be liked by everyone. Hell, I was one of the few people who thought Playboy was the most boring magazine in the world.

It's clear that Shemale Strokers carters more to the solo fans. There was a time when I expected a new hardcore scene once every two or three months. They used very good sites and themes for their hardcore content. Eva Lin's hardcore scene as a naughty nurse is totally hot. Celeste and Christian have a good office theme scene as well. There are some expectations for hardcore content when you produce good content.

christianxxx
09-13-2014, 03:47 AM
that scene with Celeste is one of my favorite scenes ever. She is a fantastic model and very beautiful. I miss her.

Odelay
09-13-2014, 04:40 AM
Interesting thread. Groobysteven is right... a producer who shoots what he likes and shoots it well, will probably attract a devoted group of fans/customers.

TSSeduction is right in my sweet spot for all the reasons Franklin denigrates it for, i.e. non white girls, feet, guys getting topped. I have never bottomed and don't have any desire to do so, but I love watching it on video because I never put myself in the role of the guy. Instead, I'm cheering on the tgirl to rip the douchebag a new asshole.

TSSeduction not only has good prod values, but they do fantasy and roleplaying storylines better than anyone, by far. That's the biggest attraction for me to the site. I do miss Eva Lin, though.

RadiusDark
09-13-2014, 04:54 AM
Shemale Strokers has been very bad this year. In the past I only joined the site for its hardcore content. Its first hardcore for 2014 was finally released this year and is a bad pairing in my opinion. Strokers use to have 5 to 6 hardcore scenes a year and now it has little to nothing. Karabella (pre boob job) has a scene topping a guy on the site.

The solo content doesn't look good. I normally just download the picture sets. The girls' makeup is horrible in so many shots. Some of the shots don't do any justice for girls.


bc they stopped giving a shit about their TS content a few years ago. They started paying less & less, and trying to find new & good talent less & less. They stopped shooting hardcore bc they couldn't afford to quite frankly. Its sad, but when the owner moves and stops caring about his product, the rest of the company can't force him to change anything. its not their company.

Speaking strictly as a fan (because as a producer who's Twitter account once acted as the Shemale Strokers Modeling Agency, I'm biased), I never thought of Strokers as a site that shot guy on TS hardcores. And the TS on TS stuff was really tame.

I really got into it for the solos and the gritty, grimy video shoots. I thought it was great.

My favorites of all time on the site are Yasmin Lee's debut as Nohealani, Mai Tai, TS Treasure, Bridget Brat (who's no longer with us), Jaguar, Heather Towers, Kitty, Valeria, Prue, Babydoll, Cleo, and Jessica Gonzalez among others. I also really liked the occasional TS on TS, although they usually weren't doing what I wanted to see.

Those were some of my favorites of all time. Period. I looked at the newer stuff, that old stuff is still my favorite.

To me, diverse models and consistent updates are what got me to open my wallet.

Like Christian said, they don't seem to be finding that much new talent - that's not already on other sites. I'd love to see more new models like this Venom. She is hot.

As far as hardcore content is concerned, I never thought of Strokers as a site that featured hardcores. Are you, Franklin, referring to the Chelsea Poe/Chance Armstrong hardcore when you say it's the first of the year or are you only referring to (regular) guy on TS?

RadiusDark
09-13-2014, 04:56 AM
It's clear that Shemale Strokers carters more to the solo fans. There was a time when I expected a new hardcore scene once every two or three months. They used very good sites and themes for their hardcore content. Eva Lin's hardcore scene as a naughty nurse is totally hot. Celeste and Christian have a good office theme scene as well. There are some expectations for hardcore content when you produce good content.

Don't think I forgot!

TSPornFan
09-13-2014, 05:02 AM
As far as hardcore content is concerned, I never thought of Strokers as a site that featured hardcores. Are you, Franklin, referring to the Chelsea Poe/Chance Armstrong hardcore when you say it's the first of the year or are you only referring to (regular) guy on TS?

That's the scene that I'm referring to.

christianxxx
09-13-2014, 05:17 AM
I mean that as the sales to Strokers dropped off, instead of figuring out ways to make more money in different ways (much like Steven did 4-5 years ago) they mostly gave up trying and are just playing out the string.

Many of the older companies in this business were faced with a daunting task as DVD sales declined and tube sites emerged....either work harder & smarter or go out of business....

lifeisfiction
09-13-2014, 05:20 AM
My favorites of all time on the site are Yasmin Lee's debut as Nohealani, Mai Tai, TS Treasure, Bridget Brat (who's no longer with us), Jaguar, Heather Towers, Kitty, Valeria, Prue, Babydoll, Cleo, and Jessica Gonzalez among others.

You mentioned in my opinion some of those legendary scenes on the website. There are few more as well. Radius knows what that site is about, lol.

Jamie French
09-13-2014, 05:40 AM
Consecutively, three of my past GFs worked for Kink... (Megan Murray, Tiffany Starr, Eva Cassini) they never gave me a second look in 8 years. No big deal, even with my extensive background in fetish porn, whatever... when I wrote them off is when I heard that they wouldn't hire Birdmountain because of her name. I publicly and vocally told them that I hope to somehow be involved with burning down that dumb fuckin' Armory. Bridge completely burnt and I couldn't be more pleased. Dumb shits try too hard to be edgy anyhow. Boring fucking porn, fetish by numbers.

RadiusDark
09-13-2014, 05:57 AM
I mean that as the sales to Strokers dropped off, instead of figuring out ways to make more money in different ways (much like Steven did 4-5 years ago) they mostly gave up trying and are just playing out the string.

Many of the older companies in this business were faced with a daunting task as DVD sales declined and tube sites emerged....either work harder & smarter or go out of business....

Oh, I see what you mean. You're absolutely correct.

TSPornFan
09-13-2014, 06:01 AM
Consecutively, three of my past GFs worked for Kink... (Megan Murray, Tiffany Starr, Eva Cassini) they never gave me a second look in 8 years. No big deal, even with my extensive background in fetish porn, whatever... when I wrote them off is when I heard that they wouldn't hire Birdmountain because of her name. I publicly and vocally told them that I hope to somehow be involved with burning down that dumb fuckin' Armory. Bridge completely burnt and I couldn't be more pleased. Dumb shits try too hard to be edgy anyhow. Boring fucking porn, fetish by numbers.

Come to think of it, I'm very surprised to realize that you've never been on TS Seduction. You're known to be a fetish model and more recognizable in that niche by TS porn fans (pun intended).

There are a lot of popular girls who were never given a second look at TS Seduction and were regulated to only TS Pussy Hunters or never to be seen again. Tiffany Starr was only given one chance at TS Seduction and a lot people liked her. She was never shot for the site again and regulated to TS Pussy Hunters.

Christian is was only given one shot at TS Seduction. It's a shame too. I'm not his biggest fan or support. However, he is reliable performer and a lot better than the amateurs and twenks on the site. Something is clearly wrong when Eva Lin is sucking a limp dick for five minutes.

RadiusDark
09-13-2014, 07:05 AM
You mentioned in my opinion some of those legendary scenes on the website. There are few more as well. Radius knows what that site is about, lol.

There are some absolute classics on Strokers. No doubt.

christianxxx
09-13-2014, 08:36 AM
Come to think of it, I'm very surprised to realize that you've never been on TS Seduction. You're known to be a fetish model and more recognizable in that niche by TS porn fans (pun intended).

There are a lot of popular girls who were never given a second look at TS Seduction and were regulated to only TS Pussy Hunters or never to be seen again. Tiffany Starr was only given one chance at TS Seduction and a lot people liked her. She was never shot for the site again and regulated to TS Pussy Hunters.

Christian is was only given one shot at TS Seduction. It's a shame too. I'm not his biggest fan or support. However, he is reliable performer and a lot better than the amateurs and twenks on the site. Something is clearly wrong when Eva Lin is sucking a limp dick for five minutes.

they ask me to shoot for them and I decline. working for them is not exactly a fun day. they pay normal rates of 500-600 bucks. you fly out of burbank at 7am to San Fran. They they pick u & the other performers up at the airport and drive you 30min to the armory. Now you sit in the waiting room while they do make-up, and do whatever. By the time your scene starts its about 1-2pm. 4 hours later the scene is done. Then its back to the waiting room until everyone else is finished. Then its another 30min drive back to airport, then you wait until your flight leaves back for LA around 8-9pm. So when you get home its around 10pm or so.

So for those keeping score, leaving my house at 7am and returning at 10pm for 500 bucks isn't really making money. Porno Field Trips I can do without.

I have been in this business for many years. I have saved my money. I do scenes because i WANT to do them, not because i HAVE to do them.

TSPornFan
09-13-2014, 08:53 AM
they ask me to shoot for them and I decline. working for them is not exactly a fun day. they pay normal rates of 500-600 bucks. you fly out of burbank at 7am to San Fran. They they pick u & the other performers up at the airport and drive you 30min to the armory. Now you sit in the waiting room while they do make-up, and do whatever. By the time your scene starts its about 1-2pm. 4 hours later the scene is done. Then its back to the waiting room until everyone else is finished. Then its another 30min drive back to airport, then you wait until your flight leaves back for LA around 8-9pm. So when you get home its around 10pm or so.

So for those keeping score, leaving my house at 7am and returning at 10pm for 500 bucks isn't really making money. Porno Field Trips I can do without.

I have been in this business for many years. I have saved my money. I do scenes because i WANT to do them, not because i HAVE to do them.

That sounds like a pain in the ass. I would hate to be new in the business and get booked by them. What is the scheduling like at other companies like Grooby, Devil's Films, and SMC?

Schimmel
09-13-2014, 11:26 AM
And those interviews... Talk about cold water. What are they for? To avoid lawsuits?
lmao
I've always thought that too.

lifeisfiction
09-13-2014, 02:26 PM
Christian and Frank not hurling insults, but agreeing? This thread is getting more interesting. More popcorn.

christianxxx
09-13-2014, 04:07 PM
That sounds like a pain in the ass. I would hate to be new in the business and get booked by them. What is the scheduling like at other companies like Grooby, Devil's Films, and SMC?

standard scene....no longer no shorter. they all shoot in LA or Vegas where porn is located.

Sammy Mancini
09-13-2014, 05:53 PM
bc they stopped giving a shit about their TS content a few years ago. They started paying less & less, and trying to find new & good talent less & less. They stopped shooting hardcore bc they couldn't afford to quite frankly. Its sad, but when the owner moves and stops caring about his product, the rest of the company can't force him to change anything. its not their company.
Regarding Christian's comments about our site, ShemaleStrokers.com. We used to hire Christianxxx quite a bit for our hard core scenes. We were always very happy with the quality of his work. But the truth is our fans wanted more variety in the male talent. So after we ended up with a backlog of his scenes, we temporarily stopped using him for awhile. Plus our focus is more on solo scenes, hence Shemale STROKERS. But apparently if you can't give Christian constant work, he gets pissed off and retaliates by bad mouthing your site. That's unfortunate, because I like Christian and would hire him again, but if this is how he's going to act, then he's insuring quite the opposite.

The truth is that many of the girls we shoot have told me that their fans will tell them that the scene(s) they shot for ShemaleStrokers.com is (are) their favorite(s).

I was named Videographer of the year at the 2013 Tranny Awards. They wouldn't give that to someone who is "slacking off." Just this year I invested a considerable amount of money on new camera equipment to insure the quality of our scenes is as good as possible.

Christianxxx, our DVD sales are consistent, our sites are doing fine, and how often we hire you is no gauge of how well we are doing. If you want more work from us, please reconsider your comments and all will be forgiven.

Sammy Mancini

christianxxx
09-13-2014, 09:42 PM
hahahaha, classic response. You are right, how often you hire me is no gauge of how well you are doing. Nor did I ever once state that or mention that it was. YOU mentioned that not me.

You do realize I haven't worked for you in about 4 years, so why would I even think about that factor when discussing your websites? As a matter of fact, I stated that one of the best scenes I have ever been in was the one with Celeste.

Let's face facts, you made millions of dollars in this business, and then when the industry shifted a few years ago, things changed you and your company. From there, you started cutting rates for talent & crew, and cut back your number of shoots. What you didn't do is upgrade your website, start any new sites or change your marketing & promotional strategy. Those are just facts. You can spin this at me being bitter, but again those are just facts. Glomming onto Grooby and their promotional machine is the smartest thing you have done. But you know that 10 years ago, you wouldn't have even entertained the idea.

I have told you about multiple girls coming into LA for years even AFTER I had long stopped working for you, so don't pretend like I am some bitter dude. Puhleez, remember I told you to shoot Kylie Maria in a solo a month ago!

are you still making money in the TS market? of course you are, its still the wild west in the TS genre and anyone who puts anything out makes money. But are you a major player in the genre anymore? Absolutely not.

Was I too harsh in my assessment of your websites? Definitely, and I apologize for that. I should have been more complementary about the history of your websites. Did it have anything to do with you hiring me? Not at all. I moved to Vegas and haven't worked for anyone in 2 months and I am producing my own content for the most part.

Good luck to you in the future.

hada
09-13-2014, 09:58 PM
some one please post tomcat face...never seen him/her.

TSPornFan
09-13-2014, 10:20 PM
some one please post tomcat face...never seen him/her.

Watch the trailer from Political sex tape in the making - Yasmin Lee fucks the Governor Elect. I think the guy playing as the campaign manger is Tomcat, but I am not 100% sure. I would post the link but the site keeps linking to my affiliate link.

betts
09-13-2014, 10:34 PM
some one please post tomcat face...never seen him/her.


http://images.andyouknowthis.net/kink-tomcat.jpg


http://www.behindkink.com/2014/04/22/pornspiration-tomcat/

lordworm
09-13-2014, 11:23 PM
Is he really an FTM or just an effeminate dude? I've heard GMs that sound similar.

TSPornFan
09-14-2014, 12:10 AM
http://www.behindkink.com/2014/04/22/pornspiration-tomcat/

This is a really good interview. He really has a bright mind for concepts and themes. However, the sex scenes are weak and some of the pairings are terrible. He said his ideas are for the average person, but the average person would never let Jessica Fox fist them and make their ass fall out.

GroobySteven
09-14-2014, 01:04 AM
Is he really an FTM or just an effeminate dude? I've heard GMs that sound similar.

He's an FTM

nysprod
09-14-2014, 03:30 AM
This type of thinking works in straight porn because if you're making money, then you're doing something right. There is plenty of competition in straight porn. However, there is not any true competition in TS porn because there are not too many companies that shoot TS porn. Devil's Films shoots TS porn, but does not release it on a monthly basis. Reality Junkies need a new director for its TS porn. Shemale Strokers has nearly fallen off the map. Evil Angel, SMC, Kink, and Grooby are the big boys in the yard.

Kink has the best production in TS porn and that's what lures some members to the site. It's kinda Brazzers. People say "Oh it looks good" ,but then say the performances were bad.

They can be very successful with little to no competition in TS fucking women and men niche. Grooby, SMC, and Evil Angel shoot these types of scenes. However, they don't release as consistently as Kink's TS Seduction and TS Pussy Hunters.

Of course there's competition, all the tubes sites are massive competition...but the point is moot, TC must be making enough doing it his way.

TSPornFan
09-14-2014, 05:45 AM
Of course there's competition, all the tubes sites are massive competition...but the point is moot, TC must be making enough doing it his way.

Tube sites are not massive competition to every site. For starters Manwin the company that owns Brazzers also owns the majority of tube sites. Brazzers used this tactic to hurt the competition and gain sales because their scenes aren't free.

Secondly, by competition I am clearly referring to legit companies. Nobody competes against Kink's TS sites because nobody else filming BDSM scenes in TS porn on a regular basis.

nysprod
09-14-2014, 06:11 AM
Tube sites are not massive competition to every site. For starters Manwin the company that owns Brazzers also owns the majority of tube sites. Brazzers used this tactic to hurt the competition and gain sales because their scenes aren't free.

Secondly, by competition I am clearly referring to legit companies. Nobody competes against Kink's TS sites because nobody else filming BDSM scenes in TS porn on a regular basis.

Of course tube sites are massive competition for pay sites because if they didn't exist, many more would be paying...so the point is that if a producer can find a niche and do everything it takes to set things up, and then make money in an environment where people can get porn for free, you have to say they're doing things right.

DonnyG
09-14-2014, 06:51 AM
Of course tube sites are massive competition for pay sites because if they didn't exist, many more would be paying...so the point is that if a producer can find a niche and do everything it takes to set things up, and then make money in an environment where people can get porn for free, you have to say they're doing things right.

What are you a porn critic too? Fucking Chaser.......LMAO :o

nysprod
09-14-2014, 07:11 AM
What are you a porn critic too? Fucking Chaser.......LMAO :o

And proud of it too!!

RallyCola
09-14-2014, 05:14 PM
let me preface this post by repeating the following 2 starting conditions.
1) i like watching girls get topped just as much as watching girls top guys
2) i like watching girl on girl action and it doesn't matter if one, both or none of the girls in the scene have a penis.

so...after reading 5+ pages of this thread, it is remarkable that we continually have the SAME threads where you can substitute one name for the other and the thread would be no different.

the fact that a director/producer makes porn that they find profitable and usually that turns them on is what makes porn successful. if Kink was not filling a niche, they would not be able to continue to make porn because as far as i know, they are in the biz to make money, not give it away. so...while i would agree that casting for Seduction or Pussy Hunters is often too limited to a finite group, what i see in Kink scenes are hot girls involved in hot sex. That is reason enough for me to keep paying my pittance such that i can enjoy hot girls having hot sex.

would i enjoy more variety in casting...of course i would because the same tgirls over and over again can be a bit boring (and i don't think they attract the best ggirls either...i find only 50% or so to be attractive) but other than that, i believe that kink is making an excellent product. if girls screwing a guy up the ass isn't for you...just don't subscribe.

now, to the responsiveness of tomcat to customer requests: the saying that the customer is always right only works when there is competition for the customer's dollar. kink is filling a niche with pseudo-bondage that no one else is so i understand why they or specifically tomcat thinks he can do whatever he likes. it is something he is afforded because the other major tranny porn producers are not going the pseudo-bondage route. as a business decision to keep the status quo, i understand his inflexibility because he has no financial incentive to change his business model.

in short...the fact remains that every subscriber is in control of their porn buying so just stop buying what doesn't look good to you. the alternative is to be like me...be accepting of the fact that we have varied high quality porn to choose from, forget the mediocre and celebrate the girls that really turn you on instead of focusing on what doesn't.

broncofan
09-14-2014, 07:59 PM
Assuming you're not any more important than any other customer, you can really only choose what sites you join or don't join. There are some things I would like to see on specific sites I've joined, but at the end of the day, I make the decision as to whether I am better off after joining than before. Perhaps if there's a consensus, larger groups of members could make recommendations and they would be implemented.

But at the end of the day, you have to have some faith in the proprietor's sense of what sells and what does not. If they have not instituted something, they must think it will not be as successful as their current business model. No customer has the information required to know whether that's true or not.

It's hard enough for someone who sells memberships and has a lot of raw data to know the trade-offs that exist between thousands of possible booking decisions.

TSPornFan
09-14-2014, 10:34 PM
let me preface this post by repeating the following 2 starting conditions.
1) i like watching girls get topped just as much as watching girls top guys
2) i like watching girl on girl action and it doesn't matter if one, both or none of the girls in the scene have a penis.

so...after reading 5+ pages of this thread, it is remarkable that we continually have the SAME threads where you can substitute one name for the other and the thread would be no different.

the fact that a director/producer makes porn that they find profitable and usually that turns them on is what makes porn successful. if Kink was not filling a niche, they would not be able to continue to make porn because as far as i know, they are in the biz to make money, not give it away. so...while i would agree that casting for Seduction or Pussy Hunters is often too limited to a finite group, what i see in Kink scenes are hot girls involved in hot sex. That is reason enough for me to keep paying my pittance such that i can enjoy hot girls having hot sex.

would i enjoy more variety in casting...of course i would because the same tgirls over and over again can be a bit boring (and i don't think they attract the best ggirls either...i find only 50% or so to be attractive) but other than that, i believe that kink is making an excellent product. if girls screwing a guy up the ass isn't for you...just don't subscribe.

now, to the responsiveness of tomcat to customer requests: the saying that the customer is always right only works when there is competition for the customer's dollar. kink is filling a niche with pseudo-bondage that no one else is so i understand why they or specifically tomcat thinks he can do whatever he likes. it is something he is afforded because the other major tranny porn producers are not going the pseudo-bondage route. as a business decision to keep the status quo, i understand his inflexibility because he has no financial incentive to change his business model.

in short...the fact remains that every subscriber is in control of their porn buying so just stop buying what doesn't look good to you. the alternative is to be like me...be accepting of the fact that we have varied high quality porn to choose from, forget the mediocre and celebrate the girls that really turn you on instead of focusing on what doesn't.

Your argument about Kink's success in TS porn is greatly flawed. Kink is the main site for watching T-Girls top men and women. No other TS porn company puts that much focus on T-Girls topping men and women. People will buy the type of porn that they like from anyone if it is unavailable or rare from other companies.

Look at Joey Silvera. He rose to the top because there wasn't any competition back in the day.

GroobySteven
09-14-2014, 10:42 PM
Your argument about Kink's success in TS porn is greatly flawed. Kink is the main site for watching T-Girls top men and women. No other TS porn company puts that much focus on T-Girls topping men and women. People will buy the type of porn that they like from anyone if it is unavailable or rare from other companies.

Look at Joey Silvera. He rose to the top because there wasn't any competition back in the day.

Your usual knowledge in industry knowledge and in business acumen show once again. Often there is not enough income in a specific niche to warrant more than one company producing that material. Other companies including mine have tried Kink type content and girls topping men and women, and they failed.
Joey Silvera rose to the top because of timing and his content (and models) were that good. He was there when VHS became ready to buy therefore reducing the embarrassment factor of renting a video. Grooby became popular because of similar timing, we were early on the internet making the content even more private.

Plenty of other companies have tried that content - but Kink's content works and appeals to the people who buy it. Maybe it's just not for YOU!

TSPornFan
09-14-2014, 10:56 PM
Your usual knowledge in industry knowledge and in business acumen show once again. Often there is not enough income in a specific niche to warrant more than one company producing that material. Other companies including mine have tried Kink type content and girls topping men and women, and they failed.
Joey Silvera rose to the top because of timing and his content (and models) were that good. He was there when VHS became ready to buy therefore reducing the embarrassment factor of renting a video. Grooby became popular because of similar timing, we were early on the internet making the content even more private.

Plenty of other companies have tried that content - but Kink's content works and appeals to the people who buy it. Maybe it's just not for YOU!

You PROVED MY POINT. He rose during a TIME when he didn't have competition in the TS market for VHS and the of course your for company when the internet became more private.

Your company didn't really try Kink's style. Your domination site was much different. TS Seduction originally sold itself as the site where "straight men are tricked by sexy TS women". The men are either seduced or raped by the TS. Rape fantasy is very popular and is rarely seen on the site since Isis Love left.

broncofan
09-14-2014, 11:06 PM
Maybe it's just not for YOU!
Or it is the closest approximation of what he likes and he has to accept that. Sites are trying to find what appeals to the most people.

So, naturally when a customer searches for a site they will not find an option that is exactly how the customer would choreograph a scene if they made the financial investment and directed the scene themselves.

There is not a single scene out there that I would say is designed with my tastes in mind. But there are some that are closer to what I like than any other (and appeal to a broad base of people with similar taste).

To be consistent Franklin would have to buy a tube of toothpaste and argue there should be an option with one part per million more fluoride.

TSPornFan
09-14-2014, 11:09 PM
Or it is the closest approximation of what he likes and he has to accept that. Sites are trying to find what appeals to the most people.

So, naturally when a customer searches for a site they will not find an option that is exactly how the customer would choreograph a scene if they made the financial investment and directed the scene themselves.

There is not a single scene out there that I would say is designed with my tastes in mind. But there are some that are closer to what I like than any other (and appeal to a broad base of people with similar taste).

To be consistent Franklin would have to buy a tube of toothpaste and argue there should be an option with one part per million more fluoride.

Thank You! Grooby is also forgetting that I am BLACK. Porn does NOT target black customers. I think TS porn has done a much finer job with interracial porn such as not making race a big thing or the need to mention it. However, interracial porn is still very rare in TS porn.

broncofan
09-14-2014, 11:12 PM
Thank You! Grooby is also forgetting that I am BLACK. Porn does NOT target black customers. I think TS porn has done a much finer job with interracial porn such as not making race a big thing or the need to mention it. However, interracial porn is still very rare in TS porn.
I try to be an agreeable person so it's hard for me to say this. I don't think what I wrote really affirms your position. I am saying you have to accept that sites are appealing to the average consumer (for as broad a base of consumers as they can capture by appealing to that average). Therefore, as a member of a group that is being normed you have to accept that there is not a single item that will be exactly what you want. But you may consider it better than anything else out there.

RallyCola
09-14-2014, 11:16 PM
I try to be an agreeable person so it's hard for me to say this. I don't think what I wrote really affirms your position. I am saying you have to accept that sites are appealing to the average consumer (for as broad a base of consumers as they can capture by appealing to that average). Therefore, as a member of a group that is being normed you have to accept that there is not a single item that will be exactly what you want. But you may consider it better than anything else out there.

dude...you are asking franki to think rationally and not be self-absorbed. that's asking the impossible.

TSPornFan
09-14-2014, 11:21 PM
I try to be an agreeable person so it's hard for me to say this. I don't think what I wrote really affirms your position. I am saying you have to accept that sites are appealing to the average consumer (for as broad a base of consumers as they can capture by appealing to that average). Therefore, as a member of a group that is being normed you have to accept that there is not a single item that will be exactly what you want. But you may consider it better than anything else out there.

You did affirm my position. YOU said I have to accept there is not a single item that is exactly what I want. I am BLACK and porn DOES NOT TARGET black customers. Thus, I can either accept what is offered or not buy any porn at all.

RallyCola
09-14-2014, 11:25 PM
You did affirm my position. YOU said I have to accept there is not a single item that is exactly what I want. I am BLACK and porn DOES NOT TARGET black customers. Thus, I can either accept what is offered or not buy any porn at all.

oh the horror of your first world problems. what would you do if you could not buy the white man's porn???

broncofan
09-14-2014, 11:29 PM
You did affirm my position. YOU said I have to accept there is not a single item that is exactly what I want. I am BLACK and porn DOES NOT TARGET black customers. Thus, I can either accept what is offered or not buy any porn at all.
Right. But that also accepts the premise that an entrepreneur is not being illogical for producing something that is not exactly what you want. Unless you think they run a not for profit center designed to satisfy all of your fetishes.

Why the hell would someone produce a leisure item like porn with only your interests in mind if they did not have a business incentive? It's not like they are providing a public service to an under-served part of the population. It's PORN.

lifeisfiction
09-14-2014, 11:46 PM
Thank You! Grooby is also forgetting that I am BLACK. Porn does NOT target black customers. I think TS porn has done a much finer job with interracial porn such as not making race a big thing or the need to mention it. However, interracial porn is still very rare in TS porn.

I am black, but what you like may be different. Whether or not you agree with the content, if they are making money why change their formula. I remember when certain types of porn were not as common. Now, there is enough variety to satisfy your type. Now you may want may not be as everyone desires. If you want to see it happen in porn 90% of the time its going to happen anyway.

(Now don't take this the wrong way Frank, but you and Christian have a lot in common)

jamesedwards
09-14-2014, 11:57 PM
Well dam I don't know all these people but dam I am seeing them here on HA didn't know they were here. I see you're deep into it. Good work dude :werd:


Joey Silvera and Jay Sin are the two most known and respected directors in TS porn. Grooby also has recognizable directors such as Blackula, RadiusDark and Luica Matthews. Kink's very own director Tomcat has made a name for himself. TS Seduction and TS Pussy Hunters are Kink's TS sites.

In my opinion Tomcat comes off as the type of director who films what he thinks is hot and does not consider what the paying customers find attractive. It's super easy to tell when directors are shooting for themselves. A few months ago a member complained that Venus Lux was being overbooked on the site and Tomcat told him to be thankful for having a new scene with Venus. Really? We all know Venus is great, but let's be real. Why should any customer be happy when he is bored of seeing the same person?

TSPornFan
09-15-2014, 12:00 AM
Right. But that also accepts the premise that an entrepreneur is not being illogical for producing something that is not exactly what you want. Unless you think they run a not for profit center designed to satisfy all of your fetishes.

Why the hell would someone produce a leisure item like porn with only your interests in mind if they did not have a business incentive? It's not like they are providing a public service to an under-served part of the population. It's PORN.

WRONG. Non-white customers should not accept the premise at all because you're suggesting racism. That does NOT accept that entrepreneur as being logical. The porn industry for yeas have used anecdotal evidence to justify their products. The most known example is interracial porn. There is a racist lie/myth told to many new girls in the straight business to not have sex with black men on camera or they will lose money. This is utterly false because the majority of top pornstars shoot scenes with black men.

This topic is about Tomcat's ability as a director, not any of my personal fetishes. If you took the time to comprehend the topic then you would realize that the vast majority of people here dislike his work. He's only successful because he does NOT have competition in his market. Nobody else films the theme "TS tricks the straight guy".

Sells in porn do not always mean the product is great. Too many people in the business don't understand the customer. They look at the sales and believe what they are doing is right without taking anything else into account. There are genetic girls are labeled as anal queens because they almost always do anal or are only booked for anal. Customers who dislike anal will buy an anal queen's scene if they like the girl because that's the only option that they have to see her in a scene.

jamesedwards
09-15-2014, 12:01 AM
Don't you think you're pushing it a bit there? I don't see it.




(Now don't take this the wrong way Frank, but you and Christian have a lot in common)

TSPornFan
09-15-2014, 12:06 AM
I am black, but what you like may be different. Whether or not you agree with the content, if they are making money why change their formula. I remember when certain types of porn were not as common. Now, there is enough variety to satisfy your type. Now you may want may not be as everyone desires. If you want to see it happen in porn 90% of the time its going to happen anyway.

(Now don't take this the wrong way Frank, but you and Christian have a lot in common)

I have to disagree with you from the racial stand point. Porn is made for the white customer. We may disagree on what is good porn. However, interracial porn is not made with the black customer's in mind because the majority of the scenes are racist. We are either portrayed as ghetto stereotypes or criminals. That fits in with how white America views black people.

Of course Kink is not going to change its formula. People are going to buy the product because no other site offers "TS women tricking straight men into having sex with them". It's a very popular stereotypical theme and people buy into it.

Some customers don't care about a product's quality as long as they see sex then they are down with anything.

broncofan
09-15-2014, 12:08 AM
WRONG. Non-white customers should not accept the premise at all because you're suggesting racism. That does NOT accept that entrepreneur as being logical. The porn industry for yeas have used anecdotal evidence to justify their products. The most known example is interracial porn. There is a racist lie/myth told to many new girls in the straight business to not have sex with black men on camera or they will lose money. This is utterly false because the majority of top pornstars shoot scenes with black men.

I have an idea. Why don't you get the money together and film the stuff you think will sell? If you are right and the porn that is currently produced is not geared towards what is profitable, you will have an advantage. The only way you can convince me that the current players are not producing the most profitable stuff is by filling that void yourself and raking up all the money they obviously don't want. I don't know anyone who would lend you the money because you seem to have very little understanding of people, business, or markets.

lifeisfiction
09-15-2014, 12:32 AM
I have to disagree with you from the racial stand point. Porn is made for the white customer. We may disagree on what is good porn. However, interracial porn is not made with the black customer's in mind because the majority of the scenes are racist. We are either portrayed as ghetto stereotypes or criminals. That fits in with how white America views black people.

Of course Kink is not going to change its formula. People are going to buy the product because no other site offers "TS women tricking straight men into having sex with them". It's a very popular stereotypical theme and people buy into it.

Some customers don't care about a product's quality as long as they see sex then they are down with anything.

Porn is fantasy. I still don't know what porn is considered porn for black people, I mean not your definition, but one that most black people would agree.

RallyCola
09-15-2014, 01:45 AM
I have an idea. Why don't you get the money together and film the stuff you think will sell? If you are right and the porn that is currently produced is not geared towards what is profitable, you will have an advantage. The only way you can convince me that the current players are not producing the most profitable stuff is by filling that void yourself and raking up all the money they obviously don't want. I don't know anyone who would lend you the money because you seem to have very little understanding of people, business, or markets.

i have suggested that to franki 1000s of times and his predictable response is that a consumer should not be responsible for content creation. you can't win an argument with him because he is stubborn and ignorant.

legault
09-15-2014, 03:27 AM
what the hell is porn for black men anyway?

GroobySteven
09-15-2014, 09:25 AM
Thank You! Grooby is also forgetting that I am BLACK. Porn does NOT target black customers. I think TS porn has done a much finer job with interracial porn such as not making race a big thing or the need to mention it. However, interracial porn is still very rare in TS porn.


Why does porn not target black customers (I know companies that do). We don't target customers based on their skin colour.

That's the question that needs answering.

GroobySteven
09-15-2014, 09:37 AM
WRONG. Non-white customers should not accept the premise at all because you're suggesting racism. That does NOT accept that entrepreneur as being logical. The porn industry for yeas have used anecdotal evidence to justify their products. The most known example is interracial porn. There is a racist lie/myth told to many new girls in the straight business to not have sex with black men on camera or they will lose money. This is utterly false because the majority of top pornstars shoot scenes with black men.

This is a fairly well know elephant in the room. Interracial porn DOES sell, very well. However, there is a section of porn buyers who not want their starlet "sullied" by a black man (or if you want to build yourself up a bit ... let's say, "stretched out" by a black man). Yes they're racists but racists buy porn also.

So what agents or the models do themselves, is play it out as long as they can, they milk it for what it's worth before they then press release, their first interracial.



This topic is about Tomcat's ability as a director, not any of my personal fetishes. If you took the time to comprehend the topic then you would realize that the vast majority of people here dislike his work. He's only successful because he does NOT have competition in his market. Nobody else films the theme "TS tricks the straight guy".
It's definitely about your personal fetishes, if your personal fetishes matched his style completely, you wouldn't have started this topic. He is not ONLY successful because Kink doesn't have much competition, this can add the success (in much the same way ShemaleJapan or Black Tgirls have no competition) but the main thing is in supplying the widest base of potential buyers with something they're interested in paying for.



Sells in porn do not always mean the product is great. Too many people in the business don't understand the customer. They look at the sales and believe what they are doing is right without taking anything else into account. There are genetic girls are labeled as anal queens because they almost always do anal or are only booked for anal. Customers who dislike anal will buy an anal queen's scene if they like the girl because that's the only option that they have to see her in a scene.
Ho-hum - once again you're going to get onto this.

a) Correct, it doesn't mean the product is great on every level, something might suffer technically but still sell, something might have too much ABC or not enough XYZ. It may not be "great" but if it sells enough to be in profit, it does not need to be great.

b) If people in business don't understand their customers, then they will not be in business very long.

c) If you look at sales, and sales are good and your product is selling and in profit, I've news for you, Franklin ... it's not about believing what they're doing is right, they must be doing something right because they're SUCCEEDING.

Look at the most profitable movies in Hollywood - usually shit that the critics put down - but they sell, because they hit a chord with people that are willing to buy. Now look at many of the most critically rated movies, they're labours of love, of passion, of a story that one guy believes needs to be a told, or of a style or genre that appeals to only a small section of public. They're usually funded at a loss or a break even. It's the same in porn.

TSPornFan
09-15-2014, 07:33 PM
This is a fairly well know elephant in the room. Interracial porn DOES sell, very well. However, there is a section of porn buyers who not want their starlet "sullied" by a black man (or if you want to build yourself up a bit ... let's say, "stretched out" by a black man). Yes they're racists but racists buy porn also.

So what agents or the models do themselves, is play it out as long as they can, they milk it for what it's worth before they then press release, their first interracial.


That sir is pure racism. I'm not calling you a racist. I'm calling the straight business racist. Agents and producers tell girls to avoid IR because they are racist.

It has been proven time and time again that doing interracial porn does NOT hurt a girl's career. Brooklyn Chase is one of the new top players in the business. She started doing IR porn as soon as she entered the business. That has NOT hurt her career. August Ames is also one of the hot new girls in the biz and has an IR scene very early in her career. She has not skipped a beat for doing an IR scene.

Take a look at the past 10 Female Performers of the Year at AVN. Bonnie Rotten is the first girl in years to win the award without ever doing an interracial film.

Straight porn acts as if having sex with a black man is an accomplishment. That is degrading towards blacks. We are not an accomplishment. We are everyday people and having sex with us is no different than having sex with a white person.

GroobySteven
09-15-2014, 07:55 PM
That sir is pure racism. I'm not calling you a racist. I'm calling the straight business racist. Agents and producers tell girls to avoid IR because they are racist.

It has been proven time and time again that doing interracial porn does NOT hurt a girl's career. Brooklyn Chase is one of the new top players in the business. She started doing IR porn as soon as she entered the business. That has NOT hurt her career. August Ames is also one of the hot new girls in the biz and has an IR scene very early in her career. She has not skipped a beat for doing an IR scene.

Take a look at the past 10 Female Performers of the Year at AVN. Bonnie Rotten is the first girl in years to win the award without ever doing an interracial film.

Straight porn acts as if having sex with a black man is an accomplishment. That is degrading towards blacks. We are not an accomplishment. We are everyday people and having sex with us is no different than having sex with a white person.

You don't have evidence that it hasn't hurt their business by not holding back the models doing an inter-racial scene. I don't think AVN is a yardstick to measure by, bank accounts are what counts.

Put it this way, I've had unsavory comments on the sites when doing an interracial scene, especially when the girl is a white "teen/20-something/innocent" type. Candi McBride springs to mind, in her hardcore. These were people complaining they didn't want to see her now she's been in this scene. It wasn't a huge amount - but who knows how many didn't speak.

If I was another sort of producer (and maybe a different sort of businessman) I would have milked that model for all I could have BEFORE putting her into an inter-racial.

You base your facts on guesses and you're not objective. How about those "racist" producers are basing their choices on cold, hard numbers which they're privy to - and you're not.

TSPornFan
11-14-2014, 04:18 AM
You don't have evidence that it hasn't hurt their business by not holding back the models doing an inter-racial scene. I don't think AVN is a yardstick to measure by, bank accounts are what counts.

Put it this way, I've had unsavory comments on the sites when doing an interracial scene, especially when the girl is a white "teen/20-something/innocent" type. Candi McBride springs to mind, in her hardcore. These were people complaining they didn't want to see her now she's been in this scene. It wasn't a huge amount - but who knows how many didn't speak.

If I was another sort of producer (and maybe a different sort of businessman) I would have milked that model for all I could have BEFORE putting her into an inter-racial.

You base your facts on guesses and you're not objective. How about those "racist" producers are basing their choices on cold, hard numbers which they're privy to - and you're not.

You're right using AVN was not the best example. Look at Sasha Grey (retired), Lisa Ann, Asa Akira (now a director with Wicked), Samantha Saint, Ariella Ferrera, Veronica Avluv and Phoenix Marie. These are some of the most popular and most booked women in porn. They all share one thing in common, they do interracial porn. How can anyone say pornstars lose money as IR performers when they are the top girls in the business?

lordworm
11-14-2014, 07:32 AM
Can we go back to talking about Tomcat?

TSPornFan
11-14-2014, 08:14 AM
Can we go back to talking about Tomcat?

Sure! He really fucked up lately by shooting Venus Lux in a scene with less than 20 minutes of sex.

lordworm
11-14-2014, 11:02 AM
Sucks that Venus's site no longer updates, she's only working for Kink now it seems.

subrob11
11-16-2014, 06:18 PM
I've not joined TSS for a few years. Whilst I do enjoy the content, it really hasn't engaged me recently as it once did. And some of the former TSS performers listed above who Tomcat won't book, like Jessie and also never booked, like Karabella, Joanna Jet and Natalia Coxx, really disappoint me - I think they'd be perfect fits for the site and would join again in a heartbeat if I saw their names start to appear.

aktrik
11-16-2014, 11:37 PM
Basically all the TS directors are terrible (sorry guys) with the exception of Nica Noelle and Trans Romantic films. I liked her films even if all the fuck scenes hadn't any scene with shemales toping guys.

All the other films are boring as hell.

TSPornFan
11-16-2014, 11:52 PM
Have any of you watched Foxxy's and Jessica Host's threesome scene shot by Tomcat? Both girls are known to fuck guys and TS women, but Tomcat would not let either of them touch each other. They just pounded the guy and never had any interaction with each other. It was very odd for a threesome scene because one would expect both T-Girls to also be allowed to play with one another.

AshlynCreamher
11-17-2014, 01:01 AM
I think he's a son-of-a-bitch and that's just my opinion, so there's no reason to band me for ranting!

lordworm
11-17-2014, 07:39 AM
Have any of you watched Foxxy's and Jessica Host's threesome scene shot by Tomcat? Both girls are known to fuck guys and TS women, but Tomcat would not let either of them touch each other. They just pounded the guy and never had any interaction with each other. It was very odd for a threesome scene because one would expect both T-Girls to also be allowed to play with one another.

Yeah, I hate when that shit happens. Totally wasted opportunity for some hot TS on TS action.

TSPornFan
01-21-2015, 04:57 AM
Kink seriously needs to consider replacing Tomcat for failing to provide diverse and quality content. Sure he will randomly shoot a newcomer and rarely bring her back to the site. Last month I asked Brenda Von Tease if she was going to shoot for TS Seduction and she said her next two scenes were for that site. Well apparently that wasn't the case as she was once again booked with a poor genetic girl talent for TS Pussy Hunters.

He gave me a bullshit excuse for why he stopped booking Jesse. He said he wanted to give new girls a chance which meant overbooking Venus Lux, Yasmin Lee, and Eva Lin.

The following girls should had been booked for TS Seduction years ago. There aren't any excuses for this bullshit. All of these girls were active at one point or another for Tomcat to book for the site.

Nody Nadia
Natalia Cox
Ashley George
Eva Cassini
Bird Mountain (rejected because of her name)
Johanna Jet
Karabella
Danika Dreamz

legault
01-21-2015, 08:49 AM
Have any of you watched Foxxy's and Jessica Host's threesome scene shot by Tomcat? Both girls are known to fuck guys and TS women, but Tomcat would not let either of them touch each other. They just pounded the guy and never had any interaction with each other. It was very odd for a threesome scene because one would expect both T-Girls to also be allowed to play with one another.

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