Blair Ryder cheated me

[mrchallenge]

Hi everybody. I have been lurking on these forums for a while and this is my first post. I want to alert everybody that Blair Ryder of Canada-TGirl cheated me out of $200. It is disappointing to me because I was a big fan of hers. She has a huge following and many satisfied customers, however that does not erase the fact that she cheated me.
I often get skype shows from many tgirl models and 99.9 percent of the time, the experience is always terrific. I believe that us customers should always strive to treat the performer nice and I always do that. I have enjoyed some wonderful shows from many great ts pornstars.
Anyway, I paid Blair Ryder 200 via paypal to do a skype show for me. Then she stopped answering my emails so I emailed her asking why she was ignoring me. She told me that I have to confirm that I had “received” the goods on paypal first. Even though I didn’t receive anything up to that point I agreed. I know, I am very stupid for doing this and have learned my lesson.
One of my requirements was that she use a realistic looking dildo. She happens to own a whole bucketful of dildos so she agreed to this. The dildo thing is very important to me, but it wasn’t an unreasonable request. At our agreed upon time I contacted her on skype. She said she still needed a minute to “prepare”. I agreed. I ended up waiting over half an hour. Finally she came back on. I asked her if she had the dildo that we both previously agreed that she used on hand and she said she didn’t! She only had a dinky little vibrator! She didn’t even apologize for bringing the wrong toy and she didn’t have any of the other toys on hand, only that one! Talk about showing up unprepared! She made me wait half an hour and still showed up with only one toy and it was the wrong one! Where did all her other dildos go? lol I was very disappointed and politely told her that we can always rearrange for another time when she did have the dildo on hand. She said no, that she must be paid for her time today. Of course this was very unreasonable. The whole time, I was very polite and cordial to her, but she became very hostile and started calling me names. She said that I was wasting the timeslot arguing about it even though she showed up 30 minutes late. In retrospect, maybe I should have went ahead with the show anyway but it wasn’t what I wanted and paid for, and she should have been more reasonable with me.
Finally she said that she will refund half of the money back to me. Even though I was entitled to a full refund since she didn’t even perform and it was her fault for not coming prepared, I agreed. Well she never paid me back. I emailed her and she told me not to email her ever again and even threatened to call the police for stalking her. Jeez, I just want my money back that you promised to give me! I don’t want to bother you but you still owe me money and what am I supposed to do? So I opened up a dispute with paypal and they said that they can’t do anything because it was not a “tangible good”.
So there you have it, its been over a month and she still hasn’t given me my refund.
Blair Ryder screwed me out of $200 so the most I can do is tell you on here and warn you about her. I am sure she has many satisfied customers and if you are one of them, I am happy you got what you paid for, but there are probably others out there besides myself that have been cheated by this lady. I know that I will never get my money back and I just though I will come on here to warn everybody that she is capable of screwing her customers over so I hope you are careful and don’t make the same stupid mistake that I made and it doesn’t happen to you either.

[Dahak]

If you didn't received the goods you paid for file a complaint with paypal.

[WendyWilliams]

Yes you can file a report with paypal that you paid for a Skype cam show and the model didn't meet the guidelines, also attach any emails you sent showing you asking for a refund and her response. PLUS paypal shut me down for being involved in "adult" work so if she wants to keep her revenue with paypal she better pay otherwise if you show them a link promoting adult work and her paypal they will close it.

[crystalsopen]

Yes you can file a report with paypal that you paid for a Skype cam show and the model didn't meet the guidelines, also attach any emails you sent showing you asking for a refund and her response. PLUS paypal shut me down for being involved in "adult" work so if she wants to keep her revenue with paypal she better pay otherwise if you show them a link promoting adult work and her paypal they will close it.

IMHO: if someone is consuming adult services with paypal, violating the TOS they should have the same consequences as someone providing these services. If she is doing a large amount of cam shows through pay pal they will ban her eventually, like they do for everyone else. Paypal cherry picking their bans is unethical in my estimation. That is one of the many reasons why I am trying to get people to use bitcoin.

IMHO:Taking payment promised services and not delivering as promised or refunding if delivery is not practically possible, is unethical and ruins the market for private shows for everyone else. If a customer cancels or demands last minute unreasonable changes, keeping up to 100% of payment is ethical in my estimation.

IMHO & As someone who has been doing cam shows since Jan 2012, I understand that if a performer preps (ie: butt cleaning, makeup, hair, lighting, etc) that they would want to be paid. When I started I had people promise and promise to pay me for a cam show and say they would pay that night. I would hope on skype and tell them I would start once they paid me. If they didn't pay, I would do a show on cam4 or chaturbate. Now, my rule pay is first, but I'm banned for paypal now:(. Yes I can (and do) get paid though cam sites, but they take 30% to 70% of what clients try to pay me. Cam shows are my main source of income right now, so I take them very seriously. Cam shows can be a tough way to make a living, and I tend to assume the best of any performer. In my estimation, a professional performer is unlikely to screw up a major revenue stream over 1 cam show gone bad. That is just my opinion on the ethics of cam shows, but I would be curious to hear her side of it.

[LilyRox]

Yeah as Wendy said, charging for adult cam shows is against Paypal's TOS. I'm surprised they didn't shut down her Paypal account and freeze her funds after you told them. She should already know the risk of doing this kind of stuff with Paypal and her being so unwilling to do what was agreed upon is very risky on her part. If you really wanted to you could probably get her Paypal account shut down. Sometimes karma is better than a few hundred bucks.

[LilyRox]

I've noticed some of you have had problems with Paypal and their policies. I've been using Paypal for a while in exchanging digital goods and for camming.

Here are some rules I have.

1. The client must send a gift amount of $XXX through Paypal

2. The client must attach this message with the gift amount:

"I am in full agreement to never charge back any of this cash sent to XXXXXX. This is a paid amount for a non-tangible good with XXXXXX. This good does not collide with the TOS of Paypal. During this chat I paid for with XXXXXX, I understand that none of its content within the chat is correlated with the cash amount sent to XXXXXX."

If the client fails to do both of these rules I am entitled to deny any goods to the client and the cash amount received will be treated as a gift.

[crystalsopen]

I just had a nice chat with Blair Ryder. She assures me that this is untrue and she is a friendly and ethical person. She tweeted about this @BlairRyderx. (http://twitter.com/BlairRyderx)
Please read what she has to say, before jumping to conclusions about her.

[my my my!]

I just had a nice chat with Blair Ryder. She assures me that this is untrue and she is a friendly and ethical person. She tweeted about this @BlairRyderx. (http://twitter.com/BlairRyderx)
Please read what she has to say, before jumping to conclusions about her.

well, of course she does...

she's not going to say "I'm a lying scamming thief lulz"


:kiss:

[bulldogtuck]

I will take the t-girl's side any time over a creepy, tranny chaser, pervert.

[mrchallenge]

She must have seen this thread because within hours of posting it, I finally received my refund! I have requested that the moderators take down this thread as a result.

I now officially retract my statements regarding Blair Ryder now that I have my money back. A refund is all I wanted. I do not wish to spread dirt on anybody. This was a misunderstanding. Thank you Blair.

Blair has many satisfied customers and will continue to have many more. I remain a big fan of hers and I wish her all the best. Don't hesitate to buy a camshow from Blair. She is a great performer and I think we have both learned our lesson from this ordeal.

[bulldogtuck]

She must have seen this thread because within hours of posting it, I finally received my refund! I have requested that the moderators take down this thread as a result.

I now officially retract my statements regarding Blair Ryder now that I have my money back. A refund is all I wanted. I do not wish to spread dirt on anybody. Thank you Blair.

Blair has many satisfied customers and will continue to have many more. I remain a big fan of hers and I wish her all the best. Don't hesitate to buy a camshow from Blair. She is a great performer and I think we have both learned our lesson from this ordeal.

You're still a creep, a tranny chaser and a pervert. Fuck you.

[GroobySteven]

You're still a creep, a tranny chaser and a pervert. Fuck you.

STFU.
What are you doing on this site if you're not a "creep/trannychaser/pervert" anyway? Sounds like you have a few issues.

[bulldogtuck]

STFU.
What are you doing on this site if you're not a "creep/trannychaser/pervert" anyway? Sounds like you have a few issues.

I'm sorry.

[LilyRox]

haha sure you were.

[mrchallenge]

Anyway, my apologies to everyone for making this post and my apologies especially to Blair Ryder. I feel bad for making this thread now that I have my money back.

[LilyRox]

After a month of trying to get your money back. It took only hours after a public post was made. :yingyang:

[Prospero]

I think it was clearly effective to have posted your complaint here. It worked. If you had stayed mute you might still be out of pocket.

[Jericho]

You're still a creep, a tranny chaser and a pervert.


Hmmmm, two out of three.
Note to self......Must try harder! :shrug

[Torris]

I will take the t-girl's side any time over a creepy, tranny chaser, pervert.
This is why the porn industry never has to improve its products. Customer ripoffs aren't a feature but a design. They call us paying customers mooks

[Torris]

I think it was clearly effective to have posted your complaint here. It worked. If you had stayed mute you might still be out of pocket.
hung Angels: Tgirl Consumer Reports

[mrchallenge]

Well I did get what I wanted but I still feel like a prick for taking this to a public forum. Not really my style and I wish there was a "higher road"approach that I could have taken. Ruining someone's reputation wasn't my intention, I just wanted my money back.

I know that Blair is saying on twitter that 99 percent of what I said was untrue. I actually saved up our email and chat transcripts as proof and sent it to paypal. Interestingly enough, paypal wasn't bothered at all about the adult nature of the transaction, they just said that they couldn't reverse the charges because it wasn't a "tangible good". I always suggest either paying via paypal or amazon gift card because I know that on the cam sites, the performer takes a very small cut of what the consumer actually pays. I personally like the performer to take home 100% of the money and that is why I do paypal.
But I definitely learned my lesson and its water under the bridge now.

[Teydyn]

Hmmmm, two out of three.
Note to self......Must try harder! :shrug
You are not a tranny chaser?

[Jericho]

You are not a tranny chaser?

What can i say...But I'm working on it! :shrug
Fukker! :dead-1:

[Crossover1]

I had a conversation with Blair Ryder some months ago. She was a terrifically nasty piece of work, so none of this is a surprise.

[crystalsopen]

Well I did get what I wanted but I still feel like a prick for taking this to a public forum. Not really my style and I wish there was a "higher road"approach that I could have taken. Ruining someone's reputation wasn't my intention, I just wanted my money back.

I know that Blair is saying on twitter that 99 percent of what I said was untrue. I actually saved up our email and chat transcripts as proof and sent it to paypal. Interestingly enough, paypal wasn't bothered at all about the adult nature of the transaction, they just said that they couldn't reverse the charges because it wasn't a "tangible good". I always suggest either paying via paypal or amazon gift card because I know that on the cam sites, the performer takes a very small cut of what the consumer actually pays. I personally like the performer to take home 100% of the money and that is why I do paypal.
But I definitely learned my lesson and its water under the bridge now.

This dispute aside, I still think its bullshit :bs: that paypal will keep customers like you, who are ask performers to take paypal for skype sex shows and then ban performers such as myself for to take it. I fucking hate paypal.

[bluesoul]

Well I did get what I wanted but I still feel like a prick for taking this to a public forum.


relax buddy. you had to wait a month to get your money back. would you be so apologetic if this was best buy or amazon.com?

hopefully your actions teach this tranny take this role more seriously, and more chasers like yourself to value $200.

[crystalsopen]

This is why the porn industry never has to improve its products. Customer ripoffs aren't a feature but a design. They call us paying customers mooks
Speaking only as a Camgir and not a porn industry expert, I do not call paying customers mooks or any other ugly term. People who beg for freebies or steal the clips I try to sell, I call moochers or losers. I understand not everyone has good income, but being broke does not excuse theft of obnoxious begging. But people who spend money on me, I call them tippers, customers, clients, real fans or just guys.

[mrchallenge]

This dispute aside, I still think its bullshit :bs: that paypal will keep customers like you, who are ask performers to take paypal for skype sex shows and then ban performers such as myself for to take it. I fucking hate paypal.

I totally agree with you and you are right, paypal should be more consistent when enforcing the rules. I guess there are ways around the rules but I dunno. It sucks that you got banned. Sorry about that.

Actually I was not even aware that paypal was against adult themed stuff until reading the responses to this thread. I have been using paypal to buy adult stuff for years and nobody ever told me lol. You learn something new everyday I guess.

[Jimmy W]

I got my money back! Did I happen to mention I got what I set out to get? That being my money. Cause, I'm never going to mention it again since I got my money back. I apologize to Blair since I got my money back and I will NEVER bring it up again. When I did bring it up before I was concerned but now that I have my money back I know she is the greatest and I will never mention this again. In fact, I'll never mention this even next week when my PayPal account is credited. I won't even mention this again on this thread in a few months. Someone should take a picture of me not mentioning this ever again cause the LAST thing I want to do is mention this ever again!

[pikashoo]

I got my money back! Did I happen to mention I got what I set out to get? That being my money. Cause, I'm never going to mention it again since I got my money back. I apologize to Blair since I got my money back and I will NEVER bring it up again. When I did bring it up before I was concerned but now that I have my money back I know she is the greatest and I will never mention this again. In fact, I'll never mention this even next week when my PayPal account is credited. I won't even mention this again on this thread in a few months. Someone should take a picture of me not mentioning this ever again cause the LAST thing I want to do is mention this ever again!

we all are happy for you. even blair.
but we all are much happier knowing that ( by simply posting a note here, that alone made a chain of reactions that restored your faith and money ).
it is people like you, who do inform us here about such things, that help straighten up the whole industry even if just a little.
thanks for sharing, now we all have many notes about paybal and about the whole client-performer agreements.

[maxpower]

we all are happy for you. even blair.
but we all are much happier knowing that ( by simply posting a note here, that alone made a chain of reactions that restored your faith and money ).
it is people like you, who do inform us here about such things, that help straighten up the whole industry even if just a little.
thanks for sharing, now we all have many notes about paybal and about the whole client-performer agreements.


You obviously don't understand sarcasm.

[pikashoo]

sigh, you are right, never did, and maybe i never will. still .... i read my reply now and it kinda add a bit fun factor to the whole thing.

[Tapatio]

You're still a creep, a tranny chaser and a pervert. Fuck you.

Can't understand why nobody "likes" this.

As it played out he even tried to confer shame on her ("interestingly, PayPal wasn't concerned about the adult nature...") and still doesn't understand the real problem. It's not him bring ripped off.

This is the guy who throws his legs over his head, cums in his own mouth, and then pukes and sobs while promising himself he'll never do it again.

[8bit]

i wonder whats a good payment processor that's not paypal and that would let me maintain my anonymity while giving others their safety

[Torris]

Speaking only as a Camgir and not a porn industry expert, I do not call paying customers mooks or any other ugly term. People who beg for freebies or steal the clips I try to sell, I call moochers or losers. I understand not everyone has good income, but being broke does not excuse theft of obnoxious begging. But people who spend money on me, I call them tippers, customers, clients, real fans or just guys.
This is baggage I carry from years of monitoring posts on Usenet. Rec.arts.movies.erotica. The internet was new and it was the first case where porn consumers and fans could gather to discuss all things porn.

Consumer ripoffs were part and parcel of the industry's semi legal years. As people called attention to ripoffs like Vivid editing their VHS releases to half length for DVD's; putting popular girls on the box covers who weren't in the movies, tapes that didn't play or have sound etc, the porn pros who came to the discussion group were incensed over such customer empowerment

It was especially acute when Marc Wallice infected several girls by faking his AIM tests and the porno Omertà was cracked open for all to see

It was also very evident when the reaction to Wallice and Dr. Sharon Mitchell who got her medical degree from the bottom of a Cracker Jack box tried to shame consumers into accepting Condom only porn. When those of us mooks said, "we won't buy it" assholes like 500 pound Jabba the Hut Mark Kernes took to the pages of AVN to condescendingly say J'accuse

End result. VCA went out of business, Vivid lost about half of their sales and the rise of gonzo like Anabolic, Evil Angel and others captured market share.

The porn industry was used to being able to selling a shitty product for high price and telling the mooks to go fuck themselves if they didn't like it

The internet and information sharing allowed for a customer empowerment that forced the industry to finally compete for customer loyalty and like any cartel, legal or illegal, they greatly resented that.

I am not going to assume that I know your motivation Crystal, but as a sole proprietor you are mostly responsible for cultivating your brand for yourself in a highly competitive market

And the tables have definitely turned to consumers having full power to use that same internet to steal everyone's content

For the same reason I don't steal music or use bit torrent I don't do tubes. I like the porn experience of shopping for porn DVDs and music CDs. Try to keep shops and online vendors in business. Otherwise it is a law of diminishing returns.

Only problem I have is where to store it all

[crystalsopen]

i wonder whats a good payment processor that's not paypal and that would let me maintain my anonymity while giving others their safety I like bitcoin, but any service provider that supports adult work can be good.
Here is a list of possible providers and reviews. (http://www.wecamgirls.com/resources/payment/)

[mrchallenge]

Its funny, when I first started this thread, I was actually expecting alot of backlash from die hard Blair Ryder fans jumping in to defend her honour. But that didn't really happen.

Instead, I get made fun of for the apparent 180 that I pulled once I got my money back. I probably deserve it , since it seems silly of me to do in hindsight. Everything I said in my original post is the truth but I was just trying to take the high road. I don't hold grudges and there is no hate in my heart. I got my money back and that's all I wanted. I didn't want any public shaming or anything.

I've only been a "tranny chaser" for 3 months now lol. I'm a straight guy and ts porn is a relatively recent discovery. I like it even better than genetic girl porn nowadays! 99 percent of the transsexual performers that I have interacted with are awesome human beings. And I make it a point to treat them as human beings instead of just performers. Sure there are a few bad apples here and there, but I don't let that ruin it for me, its still been an awesome experience.

[Stavros]

i wonder whats a good payment processor that's not paypal and that would let me maintain my anonymity while giving others their safety

LiveJasmin uses UKASH vouchers -you hand over, say $100 cash in a retail outlet that sells the vouchers, no names or ID required; then go online to the website and purchase services by using the pin number on the voucher. Anonymous throughout.

[crystalsopen]

LiveJasmin uses UKASH vouchers -you hand over, say $100 cash in a retail outlet that sells the vouchers, no names or ID required; then go online to the website and purchase services by using the pin number on the voucher. Anonymous throughout.

Cute idea, but I cannot pay rent with or utilities with UKASH. It looks like the do prepaid credit cards, which I could use to pay most of my bills. They aren't the only company who does something like this. And most of these prepaid cards have fee's attached to them too.