Hey Girls! What is your sexual fantasy?

[themaster]

I guess all most all of us have had a fantasy or two But I havn't heard from all The TS's Girls on the Board.

[BeardedOne]

I'm not one of the gurls, but I'll guess:

He's rich

He's attractive (Handsome is relative)

He's witty

He's polite

He leaves the seat down :wink:

He bathes occasionally

Optional: His nickname is 'Mr. Ed'. :D

[ezed]

I'm not one of the gurls, but I'll guess:

He leaves the seat down :wink:

:D

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :cry:

[trish]

one of my fantasies is to seduce King Kong...i'd love to get him hard as a bullet and straight as a rocket. then i'd stand in his lap and wrap both my arms around his veined and thobbing pole followed by my splayed and creamy legs. i'd climb that turgid bestial pole all the way to the top and dip my titties in his oozing slit...then slide back down...my own little erection rubbing his all the way. then i'd climb back up. repeat and rinse. after while we'd be sooo slippery i couldn't make it to the top anymore...but it won't matter because by then his balls will start churning and pumping and it'll rain gorilla jizz for about an hour before they stop.

it's too late at night to be answering questions like this.

[Trogdor]

one of my fantasies is to seduce King Kong...i'd love to get him hard as a bullet and straight as a rocket. then i'd stand in his lap and wrap both my arms around his veined and thobbing pole followed by my splayed and creamy legs. i'd climb that turgid bestial pole all the way to the top and dip my titties in his oozing slit...then slide back down...my own little erection rubbing his all the way. then i'd climb back up. repeat and rinse. after while we'd be sooo slippery i couldn't make it to the top anymore...but it won't matter because by then his balls will start churning and pumping and it'll rain gorilla jizz for about an hour before they stop.

it's too late at night to be answering questions like this.

:shock:

I am starting to like you even more, Trish. :D

*looks for an ape costume* :mrgreen:

[Jamie Michelle]

I guess all most all of us have had a fantasy or two But I havn't heard from all The TS's Girls on the Board.

Okay, I'm here going to answer this question without reading any of the other responses beforehand.

My sexual fantasy simply involves pleasing hard cocks. That is, having hard cocks shoot their loads into me, and having hard cocks poke me in all of my love-holes.

I love riding a hard cock, and I love the taste of semen.

[Jamie Michelle]

one of my fantasies is to seduce King Kong...i'd love to get him hard as a bullet and straight as a rocket. then i'd stand in his lap and wrap both my arms around his veined and thobbing pole followed by my splayed and creamy legs. i'd climb that turgid bestial pole all the way to the top and dip my titties in his oozing slit...then slide back down...my own little erection rubbing his all the way. then i'd climb back up. repeat and rinse. after while we'd be sooo slippery i couldn't make it to the top anymore...but it won't matter because by then his balls will start churning and pumping and it'll rain gorilla jizz for about an hour before they stop.

it's too late at night to be answering questions like this.

Now if your above comments applied to a man, then I would definitely want to go for a ride on him. But I think King Kong would split me in two--or any girl, for that matter.

[MacShreach]

one of my fantasies is to seduce King Kong...i'd love to get him hard as a bullet and straight as a rocket. then i'd stand in his lap and wrap both my arms around his veined and thobbing pole followed by my splayed and creamy legs. i'd climb that turgid bestial pole all the way to the top and dip my titties in his oozing slit...then slide back down...my own little erection rubbing his all the way. then i'd climb back up. repeat and rinse. after while we'd be sooo slippery i couldn't make it to the top anymore...but it won't matter because by then his balls will start churning and pumping and it'll rain gorilla jizz for about an hour before they stop.

it's too late at night to be answering questions like this.

:jawdrop

I'll say that again

:jawdrop

[RubyTS]

my sexual fantasy is to have 3 or more young, attractive latin and well hung (and thick) tall slim guys work me all at the same time. 2 cocks in me at once, i've never tried... but would like to someday. Only i dont want it to be raunchy. I want to be worshipped as a goddess and have my ENTIRE body worshipped and pleased. Licked over from head to toe. Passionate and sensual. I want NONE of them to speak, only moan and tell me how much they adore me, and how it pleases them to serve my body

[TomSelis]

^^^^

That's going to be hard to top....

[BeardedOne]

^^^^

That's going to be hard to top....

As it were. :lol:

Honestly though, Ruby's fantasy is cool. 8)

[RubyTS]

^^^^

That's going to be hard to top....

As it were. :lol:

Honestly though, Ruby's fantasy is cool. 8)

omg... im stunned that my name was in ur post without a negaitve comment... YAY! lol It would be hot tho. Ive beeen w 3 hot spanish guys at once before... only 1 was ugly lol. It just wasnt as "FAB" as i imagine it to be

[BeardedOne]

omg... im stunned that my name was in ur post without a negaitve comment... YAY! lol

Certainly not moi!?! :shock:

I've never said anything bad about or to you, darlin'. If it seemed that way, it was most definitely the beer talkin'. :oops:

But really, that fantasy was nice. :)

Some fantasies can be so sweet and I can imagine it's a chore for one of the *Ahem* professional gurls to voice one when their workaday world is so full of the fantasies of =others=. :?

[BeardedOne]

Hmm...my answer is rather generic and bland compared to most I'm sure. My sexual fantasy is my new girlfriend. Intelligent, sophisticated, sweet, down to eart, absolutely reTHICKulous and she's very expressive sexually and open to trying different things later. Bondage, threesomes, etc...

I love it!

You know that I'm...=WE= are...jealous! C'mon, dish! I, for one, wanna here about this new, head-turning hottie in your life.

You seem pretty happy, which is always a good thing, and I hope the best for you. :D

[trish]

Trogdor! did you find that gorilla costume yet?

[RubyTS]

Trogdor! did you find that gorilla costume yet?

that sketch is actually kinda hott

[BeardedOne]

Trogdor! did you find that gorilla costume yet?

OMG! :shock:

I knew Tink had it bad for Peter, but yowzers!

Go, Tink! :peanutbutter

[suckseed]

All I know is, I'm going to have the phrase 'raining gorilla jizz' in my head for the rest of the day. Trish, that's one of the most original fantasies I've ever heard - nice!

[Trogdor]

Trogdor! did you find that gorilla costume yet?

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/tinkerbelle02_599.jpg





*walks on knuckles* Yeppers.

Now you get dolled up like Tink. :mrgreen:

[Trogdor]

Trogdor! did you find that gorilla costume yet?

http://www.hungangels.com/board/files/tinkerbelle02_599.jpg





*walks on knuckles* Yeppers.

Now you get dolled up like Tink. :mrgreen:

[ezed]

Alright, answer me this. If Kong cums, will she drown. If not, when he becomes soft, will she fall off since she'd in effect be hanging on a slipprey dick. If so, would her wings work being covered in cum.

The reason I ask, is that I have been in love with Tinkerbell since seeing her in that recent Caddilac commercial. And I'd hate to see her cast into oblivion when Kong squeezes out that last drop.

[Trogdor]

Alright, answer me this. If Kong cums, will she drown. If not, when he becomes soft, will she fall off since she'd in effect be hanging on a slipprey dick. If so, would her wings work being covered in cum.

The reason I ask, is that I have been in love with Tinkerbell since seeing her in that recent Caddilac commercial. And I'd hate to see her cast into oblivion when Kong squeezes out that last drop.

I'll take care of her. *puts ape arm around Trish* 8) I'll let her do all the work :wink:

Now go get dressed up like Tink, Trish :D

[ezed]

Alright, answer me this. If Kong cums, will she drown. If not, when he becomes soft, will she fall off since she'd in effect be hanging on a slipprey dick. If so, would her wings work being covered in cum.

The reason I ask, is that I have been in love with Tinkerbell since seeing her in that recent Caddilac commercial. And I'd hate to see her cast into oblivion when Kong squeezes out that last drop.

I'll take care of her. *puts ape arm around Trish* 8) I'll let her do all the work :wink:

Now go get dressed up like Tink, Trish :D
lol

[trish]

an answer to ezed's question and then a gratuitious pic.

[Trogdor]

an answer to ezed's question and then a gratuitious pic.


Oh, the fun we could have, Trish.
:mrgreen:

[trish]

Trogdor, you call this (see below) fun??? Okay, you got me...it DOES look like fun?

[ezed]

great posts Trish and Trogdor

[Trogdor]

Trogdor, you call this (see below) fun??? Okay, you got me...it DOES look like fun?

:lol:

It's no different than Tinkerbell having her way with pete. 8)

*gets another interesting idea in his head*

Though it's for Trish's ears only :mrgreen:

[Jamie Michelle]

Whatever happened to just taking a lot of dick and sucking down a lot of cum? Like in the good ole days.

How come the dicks have to be twice the size of a bitch's body now? As if we can actually ride that.

Sure, licking it might be fine, but you'll never get it into your mouth. And as far as actually receiving pleasure from it, it's about as useless as trying to get off on a grain silo.

About the only thing something that big has going for it is the cum it can shoot out. And that's assuming it doesn't shoot us out into orbit.

[ezed]

Whatever happened to just taking a lot of dick and sucking down a lot of cum? Like in the good ole days.

How come the dicks have to be twice the size of a bitch's body now? As if we can actually ride that.

Sure, licking it might be fine, but you'll never get it into your mouth. And as far as actually receiving pleasure from it, it's about as useless as trying to get off on a grain silo.

About the only thing something that big has going for it is the cum it can shoot out. And that's assuming it doesn't shoot us out into orbit.

Now that's the type of Jaimie logic I will support....seriously! See now your logic is correct and in the correct forum. The political stuff is fine, if you don't have to click on a link and read a novel.

It's not that we're retarded, but we seen the same historical shit over and over and nothing happens! History repeats itself, and nothing happen and history repeats itself.

I'm not flaming you, I'm asking you to be tollerant and realize the limitations and intentions of the choir your preaching to.

[Jamie Michelle]

Whatever happened to just taking a lot of dick and sucking down a lot of cum? Like in the good ole days.

How come the dicks have to be twice the size of a bitch's body now? As if we can actually ride that.

Sure, licking it might be fine, but you'll never get it into your mouth. And as far as actually receiving pleasure from it, it's about as useless as trying to get off on a grain silo.

About the only thing something that big has going for it is the cum it can shoot out. And that's assuming it doesn't shoot us out into orbit.

Now that's the type of Jaimie logic I will support....seriously! See now your logic is correct and in the correct forum. The political stuff is fine, if you don't have to click on a link and read a novel.

It's not that we're retarded, but we seen the same historical shit over and over and nothing happens! History repeats itself, and nothing happen and history repeats itself.

I'm not flaming you, I'm asking you to be tollerant and realize the limitations and intentions of the choir your preaching to.

No, ezed, "History repeats itself" because most people haven't learned from history. If you have, then congratulations. But right now, where the world is going is not pretty at all. The direction the world is headed will make Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung look like choir boys unless the world comes to its senses, and soon.

[ezed]

Whatever happened to just taking a lot of dick and sucking down a lot of cum? Like in the good ole days.

How come the dicks have to be twice the size of a bitch's body now? As if we can actually ride that.

Sure, licking it might be fine, but you'll never get it into your mouth. And as far as actually receiving pleasure from it, it's about as useless as trying to get off on a grain silo.

About the only thing something that big has going for it is the cum it can shoot out. And that's assuming it doesn't shoot us out into orbit.

Now that's the type of Jaimie logic I will support....seriously! See now your logic is correct and in the correct forum. The political stuff is fine, if you don't have to click on a link and read a novel.

It's not that we're retarded, but we seen the same historical shit over and over and nothing happens! History repeats itself, and nothing happen and history repeats itself.

I'm not flaming you, I'm asking you to be tollerant and realize the limitations and intentions of the choir your preaching to.

No, ezed, "History repeats itself" because most people haven't learned from history. If you have, then congratulations. But right now, where the world is going is not pretty at all. The direction the world is headed will make Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung look like choir boys unless the world comes to its senses, and soon.

You are right but many over centuries and centuries have said the same thing. Can you change it .... no. What can you do? Treat others as you would like yourself to be treated. And hope it rubs off. If it doesn't, enjoy yourself because it's all a big re-run, and we'll both be dead before we see the ending.

[Jamie Michelle]

Whatever happened to just taking a lot of dick and sucking down a lot of cum? Like in the good ole days.

How come the dicks have to be twice the size of a bitch's body now? As if we can actually ride that.

Sure, licking it might be fine, but you'll never get it into your mouth. And as far as actually receiving pleasure from it, it's about as useless as trying to get off on a grain silo.

About the only thing something that big has going for it is the cum it can shoot out. And that's assuming it doesn't shoot us out into orbit.

Now that's the type of Jaimie logic I will support....seriously! See now your logic is correct and in the correct forum. The political stuff is fine, if you don't have to click on a link and read a novel.

It's not that we're retarded, but we seen the same historical shit over and over and nothing happens! History repeats itself, and nothing happen and history repeats itself.

I'm not flaming you, I'm asking you to be tollerant and realize the limitations and intentions of the choir your preaching to.

No, ezed, "History repeats itself" because most people haven't learned from history. If you have, then congratulations. But right now, where the world is going is not pretty at all. The direction the world is headed will make Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung look like choir boys unless the world comes to its senses, and soon.

You are right but many over centuries and centuries have said the same thing. Can you change it .... no. What can you do? Treat others as you would like yourself to be treated. And hope it rubs off. If it doesn't, enjoy yourself because it's all a big re-run, and we'll both be dead before we see the ending.

And the reason it hasn't changed is because people keep on telling themselves that they can't change it.

For more on this, see the below work:

Étienne de La Boétie, Discours sur la servitude volontaire; ou Contr’un, likely written in 1552 or 1553, first published in full in 1576. An English translation by Harry Kurz with an introduction by Murray N. Rothbard, The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude (New York: Free Life Editions, 1975), is available at http://www.mises.org/rothbard/boetie.pdf .

[ezed]

Whatever happened to just taking a lot of dick and sucking down a lot of cum? Like in the good ole days.

How come the dicks have to be twice the size of a bitch's body now? As if we can actually ride that.

Sure, licking it might be fine, but you'll never get it into your mouth. And as far as actually receiving pleasure from it, it's about as useless as trying to get off on a grain silo.

About the only thing something that big has going for it is the cum it can shoot out. And that's assuming it doesn't shoot us out into orbit.

Now that's the type of Jaimie logic I will support....seriously! See now your logic is correct and in the correct forum. The political stuff is fine, if you don't have to click on a link and read a novel.

It's not that we're retarded, but we seen the same historical shit over and over and nothing happens! History repeats itself, and nothing happen and history repeats itself.

I'm not flaming you, I'm asking you to be tollerant and realize the limitations and intentions of the choir your preaching to.

No, ezed, "History repeats itself" because most people haven't learned from history. If you have, then congratulations. But right now, where the world is going is not pretty at all. The direction the world is headed will make Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung look like choir boys unless the world comes to its senses, and soon.

You are right but many over centuries and centuries have said the same thing. Can you change it .... no. What can you do? Treat others as you would like yourself to be treated. And hope it rubs off. If it doesn't, enjoy yourself because it's all a big re-run, and we'll both be dead before we see the ending.

And the reason it hasn't changed is because people keep on telling themselves that they can't change it.

For more on this, see the below work:

Étienne de La Boétie, Discours sur la servitude volontaire; ou Contr’un, likely written in 1552 or 1553, first published in full in 1576. An English translation by Harry Kurz with an introduction by Murray N. Rothbard, The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude (New York: Free Life Editions, 1975), is available at http://www.mises.org/rothbard/boetie.pdf .

Jaimie, I'am not going to click on the link. I can't research all this stuff nor do I want to. I'm 52, I've seen and studied history. I don't want to anymore. You're young, if things are going to change, it's up to you. My day was the sixties. I'm exhausted, it's time to focus on cumming before I can't. But your best bet is on the micro scale (ie lead by example). On the Marcro scale unless you have billions, your fucked. This is what happens.

[Jamie Michelle]

Whatever happened to just taking a lot of dick and sucking down a lot of cum? Like in the good ole days.

How come the dicks have to be twice the size of a bitch's body now? As if we can actually ride that.

Sure, licking it might be fine, but you'll never get it into your mouth. And as far as actually receiving pleasure from it, it's about as useless as trying to get off on a grain silo.

About the only thing something that big has going for it is the cum it can shoot out. And that's assuming it doesn't shoot us out into orbit.

Now that's the type of Jaimie logic I will support....seriously! See now your logic is correct and in the correct forum. The political stuff is fine, if you don't have to click on a link and read a novel.

It's not that we're retarded, but we seen the same historical shit over and over and nothing happens! History repeats itself, and nothing happen and history repeats itself.

I'm not flaming you, I'm asking you to be tollerant and realize the limitations and intentions of the choir your preaching to.

No, ezed, "History repeats itself" because most people haven't learned from history. If you have, then congratulations. But right now, where the world is going is not pretty at all. The direction the world is headed will make Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung look like choir boys unless the world comes to its senses, and soon.

You are right but many over centuries and centuries have said the same thing. Can you change it .... no. What can you do? Treat others as you would like yourself to be treated. And hope it rubs off. If it doesn't, enjoy yourself because it's all a big re-run, and we'll both be dead before we see the ending.

And the reason it hasn't changed is because people keep on telling themselves that they can't change it.

For more on this, see the below work:

Étienne de La Boétie, Discours sur la servitude volontaire; ou Contr’un, likely written in 1552 or 1553, first published in full in 1576. An English translation by Harry Kurz with an introduction by Murray N. Rothbard, The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude (New York: Free Life Editions, 1975), is available at http://www.mises.org/rothbard/boetie.pdf .

Jaimie, I'am not going to click on the link. I can't research all this stuff nor do I want to. I'm 52, I've seen and studied history. I don't want to anymore. You're young, if things are going to change, it's up to you. My day was the sixties. I'm exhausted, it's time to focus on cumming before I can't. But your best bet is on the micro scale (ie lead by example). On the Marcro scale unless you have billions, your fucked. This is what happens.

You seem to be forgetting that I'm a Christian (i.e., a genuine Christian, not some George Bush Satanic phoney, nor some follower of a neutered government-controlled church).

The End-Times are now. All the objective factors are in place.

Israel has been re-established as a nation, which the Old and New Testaments prophesied.

The technology exists in which to establish the Mark of the Beast system. This requires an electronic system in which to track and trace everyone's purchases. And indeed, the U.S. government has already said that they plan on having everyone implanted with what they call "brain chips" by the year 2025. For more on that, see the below:

"Brain Chips for You and Your Entire Family":

http://stateterror.web1000.com/us-government-brain-chips.htm

As well, never before has it been possible to establish a one-world government (due to the time it took in sending messages, transporting troops, etc.). But now, with the advancement of communications, transportation, and technology, a one-world government is not only quite possible, but is indeed what the globalist elite are working hard for, which they term the New World Order. Again, this is what the Old and New Testaments prophesied.

For quotes by the globalist elite on their desire to establish what they term the New World Order, see the below:

"Quotes on the New World Order":

http://stateterror.web1000.com/nwo-quotes.html

So, the objective factors are in place for the fulfillment of the biblical End-Times prophesies. What Jesus Christ said would come to pass is now in the process of coming to pass.

My task is mostly that of informing people--waking them out of their slumber--so that they know what it is that we are going into, so that they can actually make the choice of what side they want to be on, instead of having that choice imposed upon them by their ever-loving government.

For more on this, see my below article:

"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, June 1, 2006 (originally published on December 19, 2001):

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf

[suckseed]

I can't stand it.
Jamie.
The man just said he doesn't want to debate these issues.
Your desire to speak is rendering you deaf.
Your inclusion of pointless errata such as 'probably written in 1545 OR 6 (Which? I MUST know before I will bother reading) indicates a youthful [read: immature] desire to show you're a well read intellectual mofo.

You realize this, right? Do you think we're being dazzled by the breadth of your knowledge? I'm not trying to be a jerk here. But being pompous is neither the way to win friends nor converts to a cause.

And, by the way. Are you a transexual who is actively transitioning? Because, again not to be unkind, in your picture you look like a young dude. With makeup. It's kind of a drag(!) going from having several 'board-certified Hot Hung Angels' here as recently as last year, to seeing you on every post speaking for EveryTranny. Maybe I missed the post where you outlined your biography, but while JWBL's remarks in the Rapex threads weren't exactly subtle, they weren't far off either.

[Jamie Michelle]

I can't stand it.
Jamie.
The man just said he doesn't want to debate these issues.
Your desire to speak is rendering you deaf.
Your inclusion of pointless errata such as 'probably written in 1545 OR 6 (Which? I MUST know before I will bother reading) indicates a youthful [read: immature] desire to show you're a well read intellectual mofo.

You realize this, right? Do you think we're being dazzled by the breadth of your knowledge? I'm not trying to be a jerk here. But being pompous is neither the way to win friends nor converts to a cause.

And, by the way. Are you a transexual who is actively transitioning? Because, again not to be unkind, in your picture you look like a young dude. With makeup. It's kind of a drag(!) going from having several 'board-certified Hot Hung Angels' here as recently as last year, to seeing you on every post speaking for EveryTranny. Maybe I missed the post where you outlined your biography, but while JWBL's remarks in the Rapex threads weren't exactly subtle, they weren't far off either.

If you would care to restate yourself, this time coherently, then that would be swell.

[yosi]

My fantasy is giving Trish a blowjob :lol:

[MacShreach]

<snip>

Étienne de La Boétie, Discours sur la servitude volontaire; ou Contr’un, likely written in 1552 or 1553, first published in full in 1576. An English translation by Harry Kurz with an introduction by Murray N. Rothbard, The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude (New York: Free Life Editions, 1975), is available at http://www.mises.org/rothbard/boetie.pdf .

Jamie honey, thank you for that link. I'll read it later.

I do have to say I think you have maybe slightly missed the point of the thread-- the big penis bit was inspired by a very hot fantasy Trish was kind enough to share. Sexual fantasies don't have anything to do with reality.

BTW Trish, you doing that has become one of my fantasies, and I don't think I'm alone......

[trish]

yosi and MacShreach...it's a turn-on to have a fantasy that other's also find alluring...i had no idea! thanks. (yosi: i may hold you to that bj someday)

[Tara Emory]

I've always had a fareie fantasy, (and i hope that on an upcoming video, through the magic of blue screening special effects, that I can realize it), where I am about a foot tall, and a woodsman falls asleep in my mushroom circle, and I play with his cock, and fuck the hole on the end of his cock, until he grabs it (and me!) and jerks us off to a climax where I am completely coated with cum (not unlike those drawings of tinkerbell!)

-Tara

PS.. Oh yeah, I'm not even going to touch that crazy Christian end times talk that's been discussed. If you look hard enough, I bet you can find enough evidence that the End Times should have been in 1950.. or 1800 or anytime.. "Hey look! Social security numbers! It's the Mark of the Beast!". I'm sick of you Christians fucking up the rest of the planet for the rest of us, with your self- fulfilling prophecys and all. If you really want to think of something bigger than yourself, think of things like, um, I dont know.. how about the Great Red Spot of Jupiter, in which you can fit three Earth's into.. or how about the rest of Jupiter, or Saturn, or their many moons, and Titan, which has a freaking atmosphere, and really, look at that stuff and wonder, and realize that all these religions that people made are are really, really so insignigicant compared to well, let's say "the Universe" and infinity. But then again, I guess that most of you guys think that Science, like Evolution and Global Warming, is all a hoax, or worse yet, Satan trying to manipulate things..

Religion isn't the big picture- maybe it's opened a doorway on a tiny part of the Unknown, but so have all the other religions, and they're all so tainted by their little tribal rivalries, heck, we're still fighting the wars of 500 B.C. in the Holy Land becuase you guys won't get your heads out of your asses.

Okay, I said I wasn't going to go there, but I guess I did.. sorry if I overstepped my bounds.

-Tara

[Tara Emory]

Oh yeah.. I think we're talking about Tinkerbell on a regular human sized person's cock as being the same size ratio as a regular sized female to King Kong's cock... not Tinkerbell fucking King Kong, which,, I could only imagine that she could fit inside the hole on the end of his cock, which presumably would suffocate her, unless she's like a bug, where they can breathe in little air bubbles...

-Tara

[Jamie Michelle]

I've always had a fareie fantasy, (and i hope that on an upcoming video, through the magic of blue screening special effects, that I can realize it), where I am about a foot tall, and a woodsman falls asleep in my mushroom circle, and I play with his cock, and fuck the hole on the end of his cock, until he grabs it (and me!) and jerks us off to a climax where I am completely coated with cum (not unlike those drawings of tinkerbell!)

-Tara

PS.. Oh yeah, I'm not even going to touch that crazy Christian end times talk that's been discussed. If you look hard enough, I bet you can find enough evidence that the End Times should have been in 1950.. or 1800 or anytime.. "Hey look! Social security numbers! It's the Mark of the Beast!". I'm sick of you Christians fucking up the rest of the planet for the rest of us, with your self- fulfilling prophecys and all. If you really want to think of something bigger than yourself, think of things like, um, I dont know.. how about the Great Red Spot of Jupiter, in which you can fit three Earth's into.. or how about the rest of Jupiter, or Saturn, or their many moons, and Titan, which has a freaking atmosphere, and really, look at that stuff and wonder, and realize that all these religions that people made are are really, really so insignigicant compared to well, let's say "the Universe" and infinity. But then again, I guess that most of you guys think that Science, like Evolution and Global Warming, is all a hoax, or worse yet, Satan trying to manipulate things..

Religion isn't the big picture- maybe it's opened a doorway on a tiny part of the Unknown, but so have all the other religions, and they're all so tainted by their little tribal rivalries, heck, we're still fighting the wars of 500 B.C. in the Holy Land becuase you guys won't get your heads out of your asses.

Okay, I said I wasn't going to go there, but I guess I did.. sorry if I overstepped my bounds.

-Tara

Well, pretty Tara Emory, it's not Christians who control the world, it's Satanists. As well, Science proves the existence of God.

Satanism is quite literally the religion of the ruling elite, and the religion of the highest levels of Freemasonry. Although most Freemasons are simply dues-paying dupes who don't know that Freemasonry the highest levels is Lucifer-worship (see further below for more on that).

To begin with, see the below very important article series which contains extensive documentation on the child sex-slave and snuff-film rings run by the globalist elite:

"The Pedophocracy," Parts I through VI, by David McGowan, Center for an Informed America ( http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com ), August 2001:

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo1.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo2.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo3.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo4.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo5.html
http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/pedo6.html

Concerning the hidden video caught by journalist Alex Jones of a dark occultic ritual performed every year at Bohemian Grove, see:

http://www.infowars.com/bg1.html

See also the full video Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove by journalist and documentary film-maker Alex Jones, which you can view in full for free below:

Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove:

http://www.archive.org/details/DSIBG

Additionally, you can view clip excerpts Part 1 and Part 2 of Jon Ronson's documentary Secret Rulers of the World, which also documents Alex Jones' infiltration of Bohemian Grove, at the below link:

http://www.sacredcow.com/allnew/index_content.php?n=multimedia_video_alex

Below can be found audio and a transcript of ABC News' Monday, April 23, 2001 World News Tonight with anchor Peter Jennings program concerning nightvision video secretly captured on Saturday, April 14, 2001 by New York Observer reporter Ron Rosenbaum of an occultic ritual conducted by the Brotherhood of Death at Yale:

"April 23, 2001 ABC News Report on Hidden Video Captured of Skull & Bones Ritual," PsyOp911, October 4, 2005:

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/skull-and-bones-2001-04-23-abc-report.html

Also revealing, on the Nixon tapes from May 13, 1971, Nixon says of Bohemian Grove:

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"But it's not just the ratty part of town. The upper class in San Francisco is that way. The Bohemian Grove, which I attend from time to time--it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that San Francisco crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."
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(From "All The Philosopher King's Men--President Richard Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and H. R. Haldeman," James Warren, Harper's Magazine, February 2000 http://www.prisonplanet.com/032604nixontape.html .)

Here's another interesting article on Bohemian Grove:

"Gay Porn Star Serves Moguls," New York Post, July 22, 2004:

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/july2004/220704gaypornstar.htm

Yet the Bush patriarchs just can't get enough of Bohemian Grove. Concerning Bush, Sr.'s connection with a "faggy goddamned thing" (to quote Nixon again) not just at Bohemian Grove, but in the White House, see the below Washington Times article:

"Homosexual prostitution inquiry ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush: 'Call boys' took midnight tour of White House," Paul M. Rodriguez and George Archibald, Washington Times, June 29, 1989:

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http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/WTpage1.gif

http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/WTpage2.gif

The below documentary, Conspiracy of Silence, was produced by Yorkshire Television (U.K.) under contract by the Discovery Channel. The documentary was scheduled to air nation-wide in the U.S. on the Discovery Channel on May 3, 1994. It was listed in the April 30th-May 6th edition of TV Guide and in newspapers for that day.

This documentary exposed a network of business leaders, Washington politicians and other high officials involved in a child sex-slave ring that flew children to Washington, D.C. and elsewhere in the U.S. for sex orgies. This documentary film turned out to be very presciently named, because close to the time before airing, various congressmen threatened the cable TV industry with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired. Almost immediately, the rights to the documentary were purchased for some half-million dollars by unnamed persons who ordered all copies destroyed. A copy of the rough-edited version of the film was furnished anonymously to attorney and former Nebraska State Senator John DeCamp, among others.

Former CIA Director William E. Colby is also interviewed on the documentary Conspiracy of Silence, wherein William E. Colby backs up the legitimacy of these charges and also talks about the real risks of assassination that John DeCamp faces for taking up this case (other investigators into the Franklin, Nebraska child sex-slave scandal were assassinated).

Below is an RM file (33.3 MB) of Conspiracy of Silence:

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence56k.rm

You can download this same video in the below higher resolution format. Windows media (39.6 MB):

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence2.wmv

Conspiracy of Silence doesn't attempt to go into the Satanic and human-sacrifice angle of the Franklin incident, although that is very much part of this case, as this case is directly connected to Bohemian Grove and other child sex-slave rings. For more on this aspect, see the below book by former State Senator John DeCamp:

The Franklin Cover-Up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska by John W. DeCamp (AWT, 2nd edition, December 1, 1996), ISBN: 0963215809:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0963215809/

One of the best introductions to the background and subsequent cover-up of the above film, Conspiracy of Silence, is from the below excerpts from the book The Franklin Cover-Up by former State Senator John DeCamp, wherein he also talks about his relationship to former CIA Director William E. Colby (who himself was assassinated, as the evidence demonstrates). Do a search for "Yorkshire" to go directly to the section concerning this film:

http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/coverups/decamp.html

http://mysite.users2.50megs.com/coverups/decamp.html

One of the victims, Paul Bonacci, testified in court to being forced into depraved sexual acts with men and other boys, including snuff films made at Bohemian Grove, with U.S. Senior District Judge Warren K. Urbom presiding. Bonacci won the court case and was awarded one million dollars by Judge Urbom.

Below is the text of the ruling by Judge Warren K. Urbom mentioned above:

Paul A. Bonacci, Plaintiff vs Lawrence E. King, Defendant, 4:CV91-3037, Memorandum of Decision Filed February 22, 1999:

http://www.raven1.net/ra1.htm

Below you can read more on the above case. Scroll down to the section entitled "Snuff kiddie porn at Bohemian Grove," where you can read a transcript of an interview of former State Senator John DeCamp:

Bohemian Grove Dirt:

http://www.geocities.com/bohemian_grove_dirt/

For much, much more on this subject, see the below post by me:

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"Jesus says: 'Whoever has come to know the world has found a corpse. And whoever has found this corpse, of him the world is not worthy.' "--the Gospel of Thomas, No. 56, translated by Stephen J. Patterson and James M. Robinson: http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm

The Hypostasis of the Archons (i.e., The Reality of the Rulers):

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/hypostas.html

The above ancient Christian scripture is from the Nag Hammadi texts. As Elaine Pagels wrote in her book The Gnostic Gospels ( http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/pagels.html ) concerning the Nag Hammadi texts:

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What Muhammad 'Alí [al-Sammán] discovered at Nag Hammadi, it soon became clear, were Coptic translations, made about 1,500 years ago, of still more ancient manuscripts. The originals themselves had been written in Greek, the language of the New Testament: as Doresse, Puech, and Quispel had recognized, part of one of them had been discovered by archeologists about fifty years earlier, when they found a few fragments of the original Greek version of the Gospel of Thomas.
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The above text of The Hypostasis of the Archons starts off with a reference to Paul writing in Ephesians 6:12 (for more on this, see below).

It should be noted that in Genesis, the word which is usually translated as "God" is in the Hebrew *gods* (i.e., *elohim*), which is plural. This is the reason that the English translations have "God" referring to "himself" (rather, themselves) in the plural (e.g., "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness ..." [Gen. 1:26]).

Jesus and the New Testament teach that Satan (a.k.a. Samael*) is the god of this world and that Satan is the ultimate ruler over all of the earthly governments, and that Jesus in His Second Coming is to utterly abolish all forms of mortal government and destory all of the mortal rulers of the earth, making the truth-seekers in this world absolute self-rulers and kings of their own domain upon the earth.

It's interesting to note that the Satanists also recognize Satan as being the god of this world--to quote Madame Blavatsky (i.e., the Mother of the New Age movement), 32° of the Ancient and Accepted Primitive Rite Grand Orient of France and founder of the Theosophical Society, on this, "It is 'Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god,' and this without any allusive metaphor to its wickedness and depravity." That quote is opposite a page entitled "HOLY SATAN" in her book The Secret Doctrine (1888), Vol. II, pg. 234. For many more such quotes from highly regarded, high-level Masonic authors, see further below.

Indeed, the Yezidis, most of whom are in Iraq, and who quite literally worship Lucifer, likewise recognize Lucifer as the god and ruler of the Earth. Their religion has existed since at least the 12th century. For more on that, see "Sympathy for the devil in a land where Lucifer reigns," Lynne O'Donnell, Irish Times, April 21, 2003 ( http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/2003/0421/4209123277FR21LUCIFER.html ).

Directly below is the New Testament doctrine on this matter:

1 Corinthians 2:6-8: However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. [NKJV, as below.]

1 Corinthians 15:23,24: But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

2 Corinthians 4:3,4: But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

Ephesians 6:12: For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Luke 4:5-8: Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours."

And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, "You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.'" [See also Matt. 4:8-10.]

Revelation 13:2: Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon [Satan] gave him his power, his throne, and great authority [i.e., over all the governments of the earth].

John 12:31: [Jesus:] "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out."

John 14:30: [Jesus:] "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me."

John 16:8-11: [Jesus:] "And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged."

Revelation 19:19-21: And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest [i.e., all the kings of the earth and their armies] were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

To properly understand the context of all of what is presented within this post, see my below article, first published at Anti-State.com:

"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, revised and expanded edition, June 1, 2006 (originally published on December 19, 2001):

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf

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Freemason writer Eliphas Levi's head of Baphomet, i.e., the Devil, or Satan. Here's an interesting quote from Eliphas Levi:

"What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of Lucifer to the devil, that is, to personified evil. The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; it is the paraclete, it is the Holy Spirit, while the physical Lucifer is the great agent of universal magnetism."--Eliphas Levi, Freemason of the Grand Orient of France, The Mysteries of Magic, pg. 428

Albert Pike's magnum opus, Morals and Dogma, is still pased out to members of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in the U.S., and he has been termed by a number of well known Masonic authors as the Plato of Freemasonry, and even the Masonic Pope. Here is some interesting quotes of Albert Pike from his book Morals and Dogma:

"LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"--Albert Pike, 33° Freemason and Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33° (Southern Jurisidiction, U.S.A.), Morals and Dogma (1871), "19°—Grand Pontiff," pg. 321: http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.html , http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

What's particularly interesting about Albert Pike's above quote, beyond his praising Lucifer, is that in said quote Pike is asserting that Freemasonry at the highest levels is Luciferianism, since Pike identifies Lucifer as the bearer of the "Light" which is the goal of Freemasonry. As Albert Pike says of this "Light" below:

"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled, to conceal the truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it."--Albert Pike, 33° Freemason and Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33° (Southern Jurisidiction, U.S.A.), Morals and Dogma (1871), pg. 104: http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.html , http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

As Albert Pike further states:

"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry ... It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain."--Albert Pike, 33° Freemason and Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33° (Southern Jurisidiction, U.S.A.), Morals and Dogma (1871): http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.html , http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

"Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion."--Albert Pike, 33° Freemason and Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33° (Southern Jurisidiction, U.S.A.), Morals and Dogma (1871), pg. 213: http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.html , http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

"If your wife, child, or friend should ask you anything about your invitation--as for instance, if your clothes were taken off, if you were blind folded, if you had a rope tied around you neck, etc., you must conceal ... hence of course you must deliberately lie about it. It is part of your obligation ..."--Albert Pike, 33° Freemason and Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33° (Southern Jurisidiction, U.S.A.), Morals and Dogma (1871), pg. 74: http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.html , http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

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There is in nature one most potent force, by means whereof single man, who could possess himself of it, and should know how to direct it, could revolutionize and change the face of the world.

This force was known to the ancients. It is a universal age whose supreme law is equilibrium; and whereby, if science can but learn how to control it, it will be possible to change the order of the Seasons, to produce in night the phenomena of day, to send a thought in an instant round the world, to heal or slay at a distance, to give our words universal success, a make them reverberate everywhere.

This agent, partially revealed by the blind guesses of the disciples of Mesmer, is precisely what the Adepts of the middle ages called the elementary matter of the great work. The Gnostics held that it composed the igneous body of the Holy Spirit; it was adored in the secret rites of the Sabbat or the Temple, under the hieroglyphic figure of Baphomet or the hermaphrodic goat of Mendes.
""
--Albert Pike, 33° Freemason and Sovereign Grand Commander of the Supreme Council 33° (Southern Jurisidiction, U.S.A.), Morals and Dogma (1871): http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/apikefr.html , http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm

Below are quotes from other high-level, highly influential, and highly regarded Masonic authors:

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There exists in the world today, and has existed for thousands of years, a body of enlightened humans united in what might be termed, an Order of the Quest. It is composed of those whose intellectual and spiritual perceptions have revealed to them that civilization has secret destiny ...

The outcome of this "secret destiny" is a World Order ruled by a King with supernatural powers.

This King was descended of a divine race; that is, he belonged to the Order of the Illumined, for those who come to a state of wisdom then belong to a family of heroes--perfected human beings.
""
--Manly Palmer Hall, 33° Freemason, The Secret Destiny of America (1958)

"Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity. ... an outer organization concealing an inner Brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcannum arcandrum."--Manley Palmer Hall, 33° Freemason, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, pg. 433

"When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy."--Manly Palmer Hall, 33° Freemason, The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry, pg. 48

"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifuge, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as it may please him, and in return Lucifuge promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed ....... {Invocant signs pact with his own blood}"--Manly Palmer Hall, 33° Freemason, The Secret Teachings of All Ages (1928), pg. CIV: http://web.archive.org/web/19981203083524/http://www.brotherblue.org/libers/manly.htm , http://www.hollyfeld.org/heaven/Text/Magick/Misc/manly.txt

"Manly Hall's great work is a classic in the world's literature. It will guide historians, philosophers, and lay seekers of esoteric wisdom for centuries."--Edgar Mitchell, Sc.D., Apollo 14 Astronaut, on Manly Palmer Hall's The Secret Teachings of All Ages, published by The Philosophical Research Society (P.R.S.): http://www.prs.org/secret.htm

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Illustrious Manly Palmer Hall, often called "Masonry's Greatest Philosopher" ...

Like Grand Commander Albert Pike before him, [Illustrious] Hall did not teach a new doctrine but was an ambassador of an ageless tradition of wisdom that enriches us to this day. ... The world is a far better place because of Manly Palmer Hall, and we are better persons for having known him and his work.
""
--Scottish Rite Journal, September 1990

"Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it, then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation into the New Age."--David Spangler, Director of United Nations Planetary Initiative, Reflections on the Christ (1978), pg. 45

The influence that these high-level occultist writers have had on recent history cannot be underestimated. For example, Hitler's obsession with the concept of the Aryan Race is very much an occultic doctrine which can be traced back to, in part, Madame Blavatsky's writings.

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The true esoteric view about "Satan," the opinion held on this subject by the whole philosophic antiquity, is admirably brought out in an appendix, entitled "The Secret of Satan," to the second edition of Dr. A. Kingsford's "Perfect Way." No better and clearer indication of the truth could be offered to the intelligent reader, and it is therefore quoted here at some length: --

...

It is "Satan who is the god of our planet and the only god," and this without any allusive metaphor to its wickedness and depravity. For he is one with the Logos, "the first son, eldest of the gods," in the order of microcosmic (divine) evolution; Saturn (Satan), astronomically, "is the seventh and last in the order of macrocosmic emanation, being the circumference of the kingdom of which Phoebus (the light of wisdom, also the Sun) is the centre." The Gnostics were right, then, in calling the Jewish god "an angel of matter," or he who breathed (conscious) life into Adam, and he whose planet was Saturn.

34. "And God hath put a girdle about his loins (the rings of Saturn), and the name of the girdle is Death."

In anthropogony this "girdle" is the human body with its two lower principles, which three die, while the innermost man is immortal.
""
--Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society, the "mother of the New Age movement," and 32° Freemason of the Ancient and Accepted Primitive Rite Grand Orient of France, The Secret Doctrine (1888), Vol. II, pp. 233-235 (starting on a page entitled "HOLY SATAN"): http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd-hp.htm

"Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the 'Holy Ghost' and 'Satan,' at one and the same time, visible Space being truly filled with the differentiated Breath invisibly; and the Astral Light, the manifested effects of the two who are one, guided and attracted by ourselves, is the Karma of humanity, both a personal and impersonal entity: personal, because it is the mystic name given by St. Martin to the Host of divine Creators, guides and rulers of this planet; impersonal, as the Cause and effect of universal Life and Death."--Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society, the "mother of the New Age movement," and 32° Freemason of the Ancient and Accepted Primitive Rite Grand Orient of France, The Secret Doctrine (1888), Vol. II, pg. 513: http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd-hp.htm

"First Conjuration Addressed to Emperor Lucifer. Emperor Lucifer, Master and Prince of Rebellious Spirits, I adjure thee to leave thine abode, in what-ever quarter of the world it may be situated and come hither to communicate with me."--Arthur Edward Waite, 33° Freemason, The Book of Black Magic, pg. 244

"For the highest spiritual working one must accordingly choose that victim which contains the greatest and purest force. A male child of perfect innocence and high intelligence is the most satisfactory and suitable victim."--Aleister Crowley, "The Beast 666," 33° Freemason, Magick in Theory and Practice (Castle Books, 1929), pg. 95

"Those magicians who object to the use of blood have endeavoured to replace it with incense ... But the bloody sacrifice, though more dangerous, is more efficacious; and for nearly all purposes human sacrifice is best."--Aleister Crowley, "The Beast 666," 33° Freemason, Magick in Theory and Practice (Castle Books, 1929)

""
I bind my blood in Satan's hands,
All this that lieth betwixt my hands.
To thee, the Beast, and thy control,
I pledge me; body, mind, and soul.
""
--Aleister Crowley, "The Beast 666," 33° Freemason, Satanic Extracts (Black Lodge Publishing, 1991), pg. 3

""
I swear to work my Work abhorred,
Careless of all but one reward,
The pleasure of the Devil our Lord.
""
--Aleister Crowley "The Beast 666," 33° Freemason, Satanic Extracts (Black Lodge Publishing, 1991), pg. 4

[rvince]

As well, Science proves the existence of God.


thanks for the laugh, I had a bad day and needed that!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

[Jamie Michelle]

As well, Science proves the existence of God.


thanks for the laugh, I had a bad day and needed that!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

To find out what some of the world's foremost physicists--including the world's leading quantum physicist and inventor of the quantum computer--have discovered about God, please see:

"Demystifying God":

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/learngod.html

And to understand why acceptence of the known laws of physics requires acceptence of the existence of God, please see:

"Why the Acceptance of the Known Laws of Physics Requires Acceptance of the Omega Point (i.e., the Physicists' Technical Term for God)":

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/physicsgod.html

See also:

"Theology is Now a Branch of Physics":

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/tiplerreview.html

To understand what all this means for us here and now--and how it relates to religions--please see:

"Biblical Scripture which Gives Evidence of Tipler's Omega Point Theory":

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/bibleomega.html

And definitely see also:

Transhumanity Interview with Frank J. Tipler, November 2, 2002:

http://web.archive.org/web/20021124063944/http://transhumanism.com/2002/tipler0201.shtml

Read the below excellent and very informative article by Prof. Frank J. Tipler:

"The Omega Point and Christianity" by Frank Tipler, Gamma, Vol. 10, No. 2, April 2003, pp. 14-23:

http://web.archive.org/web/20031113125255/http://home.worldonline.nl/~sttdc/tipler.htm

For the version in Dutch, see below:

"Het Punt Omega en het christendom," Frank J. Tipler, Gamma, Jrg. 10, Nr. 2, April 2003, pp. 14-23:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040205030349/http://home.worldonline.nl/~sttdc/jrg10_nr2_p1423.htm

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See also Chris Langan's Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (i.e., the CTMU, which is on the logical necessity of God's existence), which compliments Prof. Frank Tipler's work quite well (Prof. Tipler and Chris Langan are fellows of the International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design [ISCID] along with the famous Intelligent Design scientists Michael J. Behe and William A. Dembski, and on Chris Langan's website he lists Frank Tipler's work as supporting his CTMU). Chris Langan is known as the smartest man in America, with an IQ of 195.

Probably the best way to be introduced to the CTMU is by reading the "ISCID Live Moderated Chat: Christopher Langan":

http://www.iscid.org/christopherlangan-chat.php

Here is Christopher Langan's ISCID page:

http://www.iscid.org/christopherlangan.php

See the ABC News transcript of the 20/20 program done on Chris Langan:

"The Smart Guy," Cynthia McFadden, 20/20 (ABC News), December 9, 1999:

http://web.archive.org/web/20000818083819/http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/transcripts/2020_991209_iq_trans.html

Chris was also profiled in Popular Science magazine discussing his theory of reality:

"Wise Guy," John R. Quain, Popular Science, October 14, 2001:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011015064515/http://www.popsci.com/science/01/10/14/brainiac/

Here is Chris Langan's ISCID paper, "The Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe: A New Kind of Reality Theory":

http://www.iscid.org/pcid/2002/1/2-3/langan_ctmu.php

And below is Chris Langan's own website about his CTMU:

http://www.ctmu.org

[Tara Emory]

Wow, lemme see.. I made my last posting at 4:29.. and you researched, googled and wrote your entire opinion in the span of 12 minutes.. which either means you are really really good, or you're really good with cutting and pasting text.

I read some of that (before my eyes rolled into the back of my head), and my jaw sorta dropped open.. You're all talking about how the Satanic elite controls the world with gay sex porn rituals.. and wait a minute, what the hell is your fantasy? something about being crammed with cocks and cum? WTF?

You're a first class nut job Jamie, and I think any fantasy element is pretty much dead in this thread.. Okay.. so that's my opinion, and I admit I hadn't seen the "Cosmic thoughts" thread elsewhere on these forums, where people were talking about the Universe and stuff - Stuff I feel trumps religion, yet you insist on trying to make Science fit in with wacky End Times/ The Rapture is Coming! Christianity, which I just don't feel that it does.

You're obviously very passionate about these things, and you obviously must think that Satan and Jesus are battling over your soul, which is really the sign of some sort of mental condition. But that's what the whole world is really about for you, isn't it? it's all about polarization, it's all about Us and Them.. That's the message I get from the Bible, where "We're the Chosen People of God and that makes everyone else our enemy" really isn't far off from what the Taliban or Bin Laden or any of those nut jobs think

god Im so sick of this polarization.. I see it all the time in Politics, where crazy right wingers ( and yeah, crazy left winger socialists too) have this idea that like, hey, Our party has the platform of pro-oxygen breathing creatures who are aginst rape or something, and therefore, the other party is AGAINST breathing oxygen and pro-rape!

Moderate progressives of the world- let's well, I wouldn't say take over, but let's stay in power, becuase if the world falls to extremeists (which you are too Jamie, since you're all conspriacy theory about all sorts of crazzzzy things) then forget it. those end times will come, becuase you're going to make them come.

Here's my theory on Christianity- which doesn't apply to cll Christians, just the ones that are nutso for Jesus-

It's pretty much the first religion to come around where they said that they were the only one, and that if you didn't believe it, something bad would happen to you (burning in Hell), and oh yeah, guess what, you can't prove it wrong, becuase the only way to prove wether or not there is a Heaven or Hell is that you have to die, and at that point, it doesn't really matter, does it? So, it's the self-peretuating religion, fueled by fear (of going to Hell!), and I really don't want any part of it.

Maybe that makes me naive or silly or stupid or whatever, but unlike you, I believe in the inherent goodness of mankind.. Yes, there are bad bad bad things in this world, but you seem to believe in this overarching EVIL (Satan) and that he's controlling everything or something retarted like that, and I don't. There is no winning an arguement with you, becuase any arguement we have, it will just boil down to "Well, when you're dying you'll be sorry you didn't accept Jesus" and guess what, once you're dead, your influence on this planet is now reduced to zero.

This sexual fantasy thread is now officially dead.


-Tara

[Jamie Michelle]

Wow, lemme see.. I made my last posting at 4:29.. and you researched, googled and wrote your entire opinion in the span of 12 minutes.. which either means you are really really good, or you're really good with cutting and pasting text.

I read some of that (before my eyes rolled into the back of my head), and my jaw sorta dropped open.. You're all talking about how the Satanic elite controls the world with gay sex porn rituals.. and wait a minute, what the hell is your fantasy? something about being crammed with cocks and cum? WTF?


I merely bring up the homosexual activities of the ruling elite to demonstrate even further what a bunch of hypocritical phonies they are, and that they are not what they tell the public they are.



You're a first class nut job Jamie, and I think any fantasy element is pretty much dead in this thread.. Okay.. so that's my opinion, and I admit I hadn't seen the "Cosmic thoughts" thread elsewhere on these forums, where people were talking about the Universe and stuff - Stuff I feel trumps religion, yet you insist on trying to make Science fit in with wacky End Times/ The Rapture is Coming! Christianity, which I just don't feel that it does.


"And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and a fool."--Plato

"It was ever thus, all through my life: whenever I have diverged from custom and principle and uttered a truth, the rule has been that the hearer hadn't strength of mind enough to believe it."--Mark Twain



You're obviously very passionate about these things, and you obviously must think that Satan and Jesus are battling over your soul, which is really the sign of some sort of mental condition. But that's what the whole world is really about for you, isn't it? it's all about polarization, it's all about Us and Them.. That's the message I get from the Bible, where "We're the Chosen People of God and that makes everyone else our enemy" really isn't far off from what the Taliban or Bin Laden or any of those nut jobs think


Osama bin Laden is simply an employee of the CIA. Those who control the U.S. government didn't just know in advance and intentionally let the 9/11 attacks happen as a Hegelian dialectical PsyOp in order to obtain more power and control--they funded, shepherded, trained and protected the terrorists every step of the way. They didn't just intentionally let it happen: they made it happen.

The below post by me contains the November 10, 2003 article "September 11--Islamic Jihad or Another Northwoods?" by Tim Howells, Ph.D., which is a very good, short introduction to just some of the more damning mainstream major media articles and U.S. government primary documentation which proves up one side and down the other that the 9/11 attacks and the following anthrax attacks were a Hegelian dialectical PsyOp staged by the U.S. government as a pretext in order to obtain more power and control. I append my own additional endnotes at the conclusion of Dr. Howells' article, in order to add further mainstream documentation.

From: James Redford <jrredford@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.education,alt.education.alternativ e,alt.education.research,misc.education
Subject: The U.S. Government Staged the 9/11 Attacks
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:56 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.college/msg/cdb2f90b15ea3233?dmode=source

http://www.geocities.com/psyop911/tim-howells-september-11-islamic-jihad-or-another-northwoods.html

For more on government-staged terrorism, see the below post by me:

"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," September 30, 2005:

http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth



god Im so sick of this polarization.. I see it all the time in Politics, where crazy right wingers ( and yeah, crazy left winger socialists too) have this idea that like, hey, Our party has the platform of pro-oxygen breathing creatures who are aginst rape or something, and therefore, the other party is AGAINST breathing oxygen and pro-rape!

Moderate progressives of the world- let's well, I wouldn't say take over, but let's stay in power, becuase if the world falls to extremeists (which you are too Jamie, since you're all conspriacy theory about all sorts of crazzzzy things) then forget it. those end times will come, becuase you're going to make them come.

Here's my theory on Christianity- which doesn't apply to cll Christians, just the ones that are nutso for Jesus-

It's pretty much the first religion to come around where they said that they were the only one, and that if you didn't believe it, something bad would happen to you (burning in Hell), and oh yeah, guess what, you can't prove it wrong, becuase the only way to prove wether or not there is a Heaven or Hell is that you have to die, and at that point, it doesn't really matter, does it? So, it's the self-peretuating religion, fueled by fear (of going to Hell!), and I really don't want any part of it.

Maybe that makes me naive or silly or stupid or whatever, but unlike you, I believe in the inherent goodness of mankind.. Yes, there are bad bad bad things in this world, but you seem to believe in this overarching EVIL (Satan) and that he's controlling everything or something retarted like that, and I don't. There is no winning an arguement with you, becuase any arguement we have, it will just boil down to "Well, when you're dying you'll be sorry you didn't accept Jesus" and guess what, once you're dead, your influence on this planet is now reduced to zero.

This sexual fantasy thread is now officially dead.


-Tara

I've researched the Bible backwards and forwards, inside and outside. As I've explained before in previous writings of mine, I don't regard the Torah to be the uncorrupted word of God--as I previously explained, I have strong reason to believe that many parts of it were corrupted by Satan's governmental minions here on earth; and I'm forced to that conclusion based upon what the Old Testement itself has to say on this matter (if you need me to repost my reasons for coming to this conclusion I can do so).

I regard all of the Kosher laws, and etc., to be later inserts by Satan's governmental minions here on earth in order to distance people from true knowledge of God, as they are completely irrational and arbitrary (such as requiring any Israelite picking up twigs on a Sabbath to be stoned to death--see Numb. 15:32-36; Exo. 31:12-17; 35:1-3). Whereas the commandments of Jesus Christ are completely logical and rational: quite simply put, do on to others as you would have others do on to you, for that is the *totality* of the Law and the Prophets. Jesus never heaped so much scorn as He did upon those teaching and practicing the so-called "Law of Moses" (which we have no true knowledge of as it has been corrupted). All of Jesus's rebukes of "lawyers" were rebukes upon those teaching and practicing the so-called "Law of Moses" (which in Israel at the time was part of the actual positive law, in addition to the Roman law). Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, but as I've explained before, the so-called "Law of Moses" has been corrupted (based upon what the Old Testament itself has to say on this matter), and so we have no direct knowledge of what that law actually is--the only genuine knowledge that we have of that *real* Law is in what Jesus Christ had to say regarding it. And Jesus stated in no uncertain terms that what we nowadays call the Golden Rule is the fulfillment of the totality of the Law (i.e., the real Law of Moses). Jesus had nothing but scorn for those trying to enforce the so-called "Law of Moses" as it has come to be passed down to us.

But even on its own terms, all of the so-called "Law of Moses" as found in the Torah of the Old Testament explicitly and specifically *only* applies to the *Israelites* and those Gentiles living among them *in Israel*. Over and over again in the Torah the laws given out are specifically given out to *only* the Israelites and those Gentiles living among them in Israel to follow, in order to seperate and differentiate them from the Gentiles living in Gentile lands. None of these laws were given to or intended for Genitles not living in Israel to follow in the first place! For example:

Exodus 34:27,28: Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Leviticus 18:1,2: Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them ..."

Leviticus 20:1,2: Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, "Again, you shall say to the children of Israel: 'Whoever of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel ...'"

Deuteronomy 4:1: "Now, O Israel, listen to the statutes and the judgments which I teach you to observe, that you may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers is giving you. ..."

Deuteronomy 4:44,45: Now this is the law which Moses set before the children of Israel. These are the testimonies, the statutes, and the judgments which Moses spoke to the children of Israel after they came out of Egypt, ...

Malachi 4:4:
"Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments. ..."

So even on its own terms, the Torah laws in the Old Testament were never intended to be applied to Gentiles living in Gentile lands!

The Torah (i.e., the first five books of the Old Testament, or the so-called "Law of Moses") as it has come to be passed down to us does require death by stoning (see Lev. 18:22; 20:13) for Israelite men laying with other men as with a woman (although not for women with other women), and calls it "an abomination"--but otherwise has nothing more to say regarding this matter. This is particulary significant, as the Torah actually has worse things to say about those who break the Kosher laws, e.g., for those eating squid, or octopus, etc. Leviticus 11:10-12 (see also Deut. 14:9) tells us that all the things is the sea without fins or scales shall be "an abomination to you." In other words, eating squid, or octopus, etc., is an abomination. But the Torah actually goes much further than what it says about male Israelite (but not female) homosexuality regarding this matter. Leviticus 20:25 says that Israelites shall not make their *souls* abominable by breaking any of the Kosher laws--which is a warning far more damning than the one on male Israelite homosexuality, since presumably making one's *soul* abominable would have reprocutions in the after-life (although the concept of an after-life is only found in subsequent Old Testament books after the Torah)--whereas one pays by a stoning death for the "sin" of Israelite male (but not female) homosexuality in the present life. The Torah also has the same thing to say about those Israelites who crossdress as it does about male homosexuality (see Deut. 22:5), although this stricture doesn't seem to call for the death penalty; but again, that brings us right back to my previous analysis of the Kosher laws.

But I wouldn't even go so far as to call these Torah stictures attempts at morality, as Exodus 22:16 tells us that an Israelite man who beds an unmarried virgin must pay the bride-price to her father. But it has absolutely nothing to say about male virgins who lose their virginity by fornication. In other words, as far as the Torah is concerned, it's alright for an unmarried male to "sleep" around, so long as he's not doing it with virgins (in which case he's required to pay the bride-price to her father). So a lot of these supposed "morality" laws actually have more to do with simple economics--since a married man wants to insure that the child that he's raising is actually his, etc.; hence the double-standard between men and women "sleeping" around--and also the reason why a male who beds a virgin in fornication must pay her father the bride-price, since a virgin daughter is worth money to her father, whereas a tramp is not (due to the reason that marrying men want to insure that the child that thay are to raise is actually their own, and not some other man's). That's not morality, that's just plain economics and self-interest. The Bible actually has a lot of good things to say about some prostitutes--see the story about Rahab the prostitute, starting at Joshua chapter 2 (see also Matt. 1:5; James 2:25; Heb. 11:31). Jesus is a decendant of Rehab the prostitute (see Matt 1:5), as is David, the second king of Israel (who Jesus is decended from).

Paul had a few apparently negative things to say about homosexuality in the New Testament. See Romans 1:26,27--but in the context that Paul is writing about it is apparent that he is talking about pagan ritualistic sex-magick (see Romans 1:18-25). Nor does he say that homosexuality in of itself is something which jeopardizes one's soul. He says that's it's "against nature" and "the natural use" and "shameful"--but he's writing this in the context of pagan ritualistic sex-magick. But if one wants to contend that he meant homosexuality in of itself, then one would also have to contend that a man having long hair, or a woman having short har, is likewise also "shameful" and against "nature" (see 1 Cor. 11:6; 11:14). Which would mean that he must consider Samson to be "shameful" and against "nature" (see Judges chapters 13-16, particularly 16:16-19; and see also Num. 6:5). But even on the issue of long hair on men and short hair on women, Paul ended the matter by saying "But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God" (see 1 Cor. 11:16)--thus making it clear that Paul sometimes simply let his own personal prejudices dictate what he regarded as "shameful" in his writings. Paul had more servere things to say about *catamites* (sometimes translated as homosexuals, etc.) in 1 Corinthians 6:9, saying that they won't inherit the Kingdom of God; but a catamite is a boy kept by a pedarast--often by no choice of the boy, especially at that time--and so I hardly see how the catamite could have any choice in the matter.

But it must be remembered that Paul is merely human, and so suffered from the prejudices of his time. He was often inspired by the Holy Spirit, but he was by no means infalible like Jesus Christ. Proof that the apostles were not infalible (even after they had been given the gift of the Holy Spirit) comes from the New Testament itself. See Galations 2:11-21, where Paul strongly rebukes Peter for Peter's error in teaching that people still had to obey the so-called "Law of Moses"--and this is after the apostles had been given the gift of the Holy Spirit (see Acts 15:35)! So obviously the apostles were not incapable of error, even after having been given the Holy Spirit. But Paul also said that "love is the fulfillment of the law" (see Rom.13:8-10), and "all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself' " (that "one word" being: "love")--see Galations 5:14.

Jesus Himself never had anything to say about homosexuality (or crossdressing), which I'm sure He would have if it had been at all important. Beyond this, the Bible has nothing more to say regarding the matter.

When Jesus said of Himself "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6), He was there being as literal as it is possible to be. In other words, "Jesus" is a synonym for *the Truth*--although also a real person that walked this earth. Jesus is the ultimate personification on this earth of the truth. I believe that there have existed many true Christians who haven't even heard of the name "Jesus."

What is the Way? Jesus told us what the Way is: in all things do on to others as you would have others do on to you (Matt. 5:17,18; 7:12; Luke 6:31). An equivalent formulation of this is love your neighbor as yourself (Matt. 19:19; 22:36-40; Mark 12:28-34; Luke 10:25-28). Another equivalent formulation of this is Jesus's Commandment that we love one another as He has loved us (John 15:12,17; 13:15,34,35; 1 John 3:11,12,23; 4:11,20,21). Everything that Jesus ever commanded people to do can be logically reduced back to this one principle--even with adultry starting in the heart: for example, just as you would not like it if (outside of an open relationship) every time a good-looking woman passsed by your man he was thinking about how it would be to get with her, so also you should give him the same respect as regards other men (or whatever gender).

Jesus said that there are only two requirements for a person to receive eternal life (Luke 10:25-28):

""
And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested Him, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

He said to him, "What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?"

So he answered and said, ""You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,' and "your neighbor as yourself."'

And He said to him, "You have answered rightly; do this and you will live."
""

But the above two requirements actually logically reduces to only one requirement: to love your neighbor as yourself. As Jesus said anything that we do to any of the least of His brothren we do on to Him (Matt. 25:31-46). So if we truly love each other then we automatically love God as well.

What is the Truth? Jesus is the Truth: wherever you find truth there also you will find Jesus.

But, people may ask: what about the holocausts, genocides, and wars, etc., that have continuously plagued mankind--that's truth, i.e., they really happen, they exist, and they're real; is Jesus these things? And I would answer that those things certainly exist and that we need to come to terms with them if we are to ever overcome them--but: what is it that allowed these grim truths to be brought into existence in the first place? In short: lies, deceit, fraud, and willful ignorance--and all on a massive scale. It was only people's lack of belief in Jesus (Truth) in the first place which would inevitably lead to the above--without this departure from the truth happining first, the others could not have happened.

And so what's the most important truth which one could possibly grasp? The answer is: the Way. 1 John 2:10: "He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him." All other truth pales in comparision to this one principle. Love is fulfillment of the law (Rom. 13:8-10; Gal. 5:13,14). This is the Perfect Law of Liberty and the Royal Law (James 1:25; 2:8-12). If one grasps nothing else other than this then one will have grasped enough. All the injustices and societal problems which so plagues mankind stem from people's failure to abide by this one principle.

And so Jesus is the Way and the Truth: if you abide in these things then you will have the Life (Luke 10:25-28).

But what if we don't; what if we may fail at some point, because we are human? Is all lost? As it is written:

Romans 3:23: [F]or all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

I don't think it's too controversial to say that any typical human who is at the comprehension level to understand the above verse has already violated the Golden Rule (of which *is* sin), even if in just his own heart.

But to answer my above question: no, naught is lost, because if we confess the truth and ask God for forgiveness and believe that we have forgiveness then we will have forgiveness (Acts 5:31; 10:43; 13:38,39; 26:18; Rom. 10:9). This is why belief in Jesus as an actual person sent by God can be so vital.

But what about John writing:

2 John 1:7: [M]any deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

But what else did John himself write about this matttar?: 1 John 2:10: "He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him."

Jesus did come in the flesh, but what did Jesus have to say about Himself?: "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6.)

In other words, Truth did come to the earth in the existential sense, and does exist on this earth, and can be known--as opposed to the moral relativism of Pontius Pilate (John 18:38).

Based upon my research into people's so-called "near-death experiences" (I don't really like this term, because most of the times when these experiences happen it is after a person undergoes clinical death and shows no vital signs, and so a more accurate term for these people would be "after-death experience"), this is a spiritual truism for the afterlife: birds of a feather flock together. That is, depending on where one's mind-set is at upon death, in the afterlife one will be associated with people of like mind-set. Hell is very real--Hell exists. But rather than a sharp either/or Heaven/Hell, it is probably more appropriate to think of the afterlife as many levels between the deepest, darkest pits of Hell and the most glorious basking in the presence of the love and light of God--i.e., as a continuum between these extremes (although the extremes themselves certainly exist [although I believe both are probably infinite in either direction], and one can be caught up in either depending on one's spiritual development). Suicides typically report a Purgatory-like existence upon death, because they cannot see the light of God. For more on that, see:

http://www.near-death.com

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Concerning your foregoing comments on the nature of evil, in the below post I provide massive amounts of documentation where the U.S. government itself admits it is holding innocent people indefinitely without charges (including U.S. citizens), torturing them, raping them--including homosexually anally raping them--and murdering them, and that the orders to do so came from the highest levels of the U.S. government.

Subject: Cutting Off Arms and Crushing Children's Testicles: Welcome to the New Freedom
From: James Redford <jrredford@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.republicans,alt.politics.democrats,pd axs.issues.democrats
Message-ID: <3fb8a252uiuneebuh39m6n72raqoep55cf@4ax.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:46:12 -0400

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/eb9c6ada2281261d

[Tara Emory]

I give up.. You totally missed my point.. and proved my point as well..

Well, Hung Angels forums has officially gone to pot. Let it be known that Jamie scared Tara Emory away from HA.

-Tara

[suckseed]

So what exactly does a moderator do around here? I looked, and these rants date back to this guy's second day on the board.
So, if we can all waste board space posting anything we want, I wanna play!

[Jamie Michelle]

I give up.. You totally missed my point.. and proved my point as well..

Well, Hung Angels forums has officially gone to pot. Let it be known that Jamie scared Tara Emory away from HA.

-Tara

You're the one that went out of your way to engage me in conversation. And so I replied to you.

[Jamie Michelle]

So what exactly does a moderator do around here? I looked, and these rants date back to this guy's second day on the board.
So, if we can all waste board space posting anything we want, I wanna play!

Tara Emory is the one that went out of her way to engage me in conversation. And so I replied to her. Amazing how that works, isn't it?

Tara Emory is simply throwing a fit and behaving like a drama queen.

[suckseed]

For an incomplete look at a forty year old television show for children, see: http://timstvshowcase.com/kangaroo.html

[trish]

suckseed,
i never saw the flintstone toy before! now i feel my childhood was incomplete! keep that gorilla jizz cummin'

[Tara Emory]

Hissy fit, drama queen, whatever. I'm don't think cutting an pasting things you collected off the internet qualifies as conversation. Anyway.. I'm done for now. I'm just free of the idea that God and Satan are in a struggle over my soul and all that BS, and you can be too! You can be saved of the eslavement of Religion! Ok.. that' was partially tounge in Cheek, but I'm done for now.

-Tara

[Jamie Michelle]

Hissy fit, drama queen, whatever. I'm don't think cutting an pasting things you collected off the internet qualifies as conversation. Anyway.. I'm done for now. I'm just free of the idea that God and Satan are in a struggle over my soul and all that BS, and you can be too! You can be saved of the eslavement of Religion! Ok.. that' was partially tounge in Cheek, but I'm done for now.

-Tara

Some of those writings which I copied and pasted can be found elsewhere, but they are all my own writings.

As well, you're very closed-minded. You have a blind hatred of religion and refuse to let anything get past your preconceived notions on the matter. Apparently you didn't even bother to read what I wrote. If you had bothered to read what I wrote, then you ought to understand how absurd your above charges are, as I extensively documented that the message of Jesus Christ is that we follow the Golden Rule and that we love one another. Far from "slavery," following the commands of Christ would result in absolute and total liberty for everyone.

For that said writing of mine, see:

Hey Girls! What is your sexual fantasy?
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:46 pm by Jamie Michelle

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=9420&start=40

For much more as regards Jesus Christ's message of liberty, see my below article (published under my boy name, i.e., my legal name):

"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, June 1, 2006 (originally published December 19, 2001):

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf

Take care, pretty Tara Emory.

[chefmike]

Hissy fit, drama queen, whatever. I'm don't think cutting an pasting things you collected off the internet qualifies as conversation. Anyway.. I'm done for now. I'm just free of the idea that God and Satan are in a struggle over my soul and all that BS, and you can be too! You can be saved of the eslavement of Religion! Ok.. that' was partially tounge in Cheek, but I'm done for now.

-Tara

Stick around, Tara...the men with the butterfly nets will come take him away soon enough...he's living proof that electro-shock therapy is still needed...

Keep posting those incredible fetish pics of yours...
and while were at it... here's a couple of links re all this religious hysteria, and those who endorse it...

The Sodomite's Lament-
http://billybob.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Why God Created Gays-
http://whygodcreatedgays.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

[Jamie Michelle]

Hissy fit, drama queen, whatever. I'm don't think cutting an pasting things you collected off the internet qualifies as conversation. Anyway.. I'm done for now. I'm just free of the idea that God and Satan are in a struggle over my soul and all that BS, and you can be too! You can be saved of the eslavement of Religion! Ok.. that' was partially tounge in Cheek, but I'm done for now.

-Tara

Stick around, Tara...the men with the butterfly nets will come take him away soon enough...he's living proof that electro-shock therapy is still needed...


And yet, your comment on "electro-shock therapy" demonstrates that you are not the least bit confident in your own position, as you cannot win on the figurative battlefield of ideas, but instead you feel the desire to resort to actual physical force in order to silence me. By this comment, you demonstrate yourself to be a brute who knows he is wrong and cannot win via reason.



Keep posting those incredible fetish pics of yours...
and while were at it... here's a couple of links re all this religious hysteria, and those who endorse it...

The Sodomite's Lament-
http://billybob.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

Why God Created Gays-
http://whygodcreatedgays.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

[Penny uk]

Wow!!! Time for a chill pill!!! Isnt this a bit heavey for HA?

[Jamie Michelle]

Wow!!! Time for a chill pill!!! Isnt this a bit heavey for HA?

If anybody wants to talk about cocks, I'm all up for that. (Pun intended.) One of my favorite topics!

[Trogdor]

Love the fairy work there, Tara.

I live on 50 achres of land and gots lots of heavy forest land here AND tons of mushroom patches.

I would not mind seeing as fairy such as yourself around here. :wink:

Though if Tinkerbell has a cock, she could fit it inside a person's cock-slit, let alone King Kong's That would be an interesting sensation I bet.

Though my biggest fantasy is waking up one day and seeing Tara next to me, smiling all sexy as she does. :D

[JRon]

Am I wrong or did this post go from weird (fantasies involving king mother fucking kong) to weirder (a debate/fight between Jamie and Tara on Satanism and Christianity)?

I normally stick to checking out the posts with shemale pics... so is this how all of the other posts end up? I get the impression that there are alot of personal beefs between people on this board.

[ezed]

HEY MACSCREACH!!!!

I took your advice from the other thread. I'm scrolling and scrolling and scrolling! Thanks I now see the logic of your advice.

[Trogdor]

Quiet, you two! :P

*still fantasizes about tara* :mrgreen:

[trish]

STOP THAT TROGDOR!!! I'M FANTIZISIZING ABOUT TARA AND HER MAGIC FAIRIE WAND.

[suckseed]

I'm fantasizing about you, Trish, biting your lower lip and making me laugh with your cute way of putting things.
I'm just a white boy, for what it's worth. I slept with my first black girl (dad from Jamaica, she said) last month. God, her skin was beautiful. And sweet! And hilariously witty. Man, I dug her.

[Trogdor]

STOP THAT TROGDOR!!! I'M FANTIZISIZING ABOUT TARA AND HER MAGIC FAIRIE WAND.

So am I, Trish.


THREE-WAY, BABE! :wink:

btw, Trish, are you gonna post some pictures of yourself? :?:

[MacShreach]

HEY MACSCREACH!!!!

I took your advice from the other thread. I'm scrolling and scrolling and scrolling! Thanks I now see the logic of your advice.

Yeah, everybody needs a wheel mouse......... :D

[Tara Emory]

Hissy fit, drama queen, whatever. I'm don't think cutting an pasting things you collected off the internet qualifies as conversation. Anyway.. I'm done for now. I'm just free of the idea that God and Satan are in a struggle over my soul and all that BS, and you can be too! You can be saved of the eslavement of Religion! Ok.. that' was partially tounge in Cheek, but I'm done for now.

-Tara

Some of those writings which I copied and pasted can be found elsewhere, but they are all my own writings.

As well, you're very closed-minded. You have a blind hatred of religion and refuse to let anything get past your preconceived notions on the matter. Apparently you didn't even bother to read what I wrote. If you had bothered to read what I wrote, then you ought to understand how absurd your above charges are, as I extensively documented that the message of Jesus Christ is that we follow the Golden Rule and that we love one another. Far from "slavery," following the commands of Christ would result in absolute and total liberty for everyone.

For that said writing of mine, see:

Hey Girls! What is your sexual fantasy?
Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:46 pm by Jamie Michelle

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=9420&start=40

For much more as regards Jesus Christ's message of liberty, see my below article (published under my boy name, i.e., my legal name):

"Jesus Is an Anarchist," James Redford, June 1, 2006 (originally published December 19, 2001):

http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/anarchist-jesus.pdf

Take care, pretty Tara Emory.


well, see, that's the point.. Your really heavy handed response to my (yeah, so it was a flame) response- you may have written, though you cut and pasted it from something you had written before in another response on another bulliten board, which to me really undermines its credibility.. And yes, I did not read all of those links, I read some of them until I realised that they all sorta let to the same conclusion, and also, for example the link about the "New World Order" which started with good sounding, well- meaning quotes from George Bush I, and then eventually went to Allister Crowley- hey, no agenda there! Which strikes me as, I dunno, disingenuous or something.

So hey, we'll never get along, and we'll both boil each other's blood if we try to debate this, and yes, you've researched the Bible, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much, so much that I don't know if you've really looked at other religions, and yes, I have barely picked up the thing. BUt that's not what I'm talking about.. I'm talking about how you see the world - at least how it looks to me- as Us and Them, and obviously you see me, and how you think you are "right" and everyone else is "wrong", and yay, you've got a whole book full of quotes, and lots of research (hey, if it's on the internet, it MUST be true!!).

Okay, so I'm trying to figure out where you are politically, since you think Bush is Satan (no arguement here, though I see it differently), yet a lot of what you say seems to synch with Anne Coulter, though I don't know if that makes you a super liberal, or neither (you say you're an anarchist, which is ok in my book).. But anyway, it all makes me wonder how many people you think are going to Heaven with you.. Anyone who accepeted Jesus as their Lord and Savior?- but what about the ones who do, but think GW Bush is the best thing the U.S. of A. has to git them terrorists! So only Christian anarchist activists (and I use "activists" in a good way, not in the "ooh, activist judges" way that some use), who believe that the world (or country) is controlled by Freemasons who rape young boys and run sex slavery rings, and admirably try to mesh science with the bible, throw out parts of the old Testament as silly laws about the gentiles- or Satanic incursions, yet insist on treating the Adam and Eve story as fact - go to Heaven? I don't know..

Which is sort of my point. Say you're in a parish, or Bible study, or whatever congregation you do to, and you'd like everyone to think the same, or believe that they do, and then you find out that there's one guy in that parish who believes half of what you do, yet he's thinks the Illuminati is Bullshit, or that the UN is a good idea in principle (if not in excecution)... or he'd vote Bush in for a third term if he could.. So then, would this guy not be in your parish? How many people are in your parish? 20? Are only 20 people going to heaven and billions upon billions aren't? That seems to be what every religion is saying, that We're going to heaven and They're not - and THAT is what I am annoyed by.

And I apologize if I lumped you in with the same category as millions of other extremists of all stripes- you do have a mind of your own, I will give you that. Am I closed minded? About as much as everyone else, including you, and putting "pretty Tara Emory" at the end of your letter is a nice gesture, but I'm not really buying it. I'm beginning to think that true open mindedness doesn't exist, which is too bad. And yes, I will look further into your links, but what I believe I believe not because I read it in a book or on the internet, but because I see it and feel those things.

And some of what I believe is this: I think contrary to some of the things in those links say- that things are getting better, and that we're not headed for "mass killings that will make Stalin look like a baby" (or whatever the quote was. I believe that this country exists primarily for good, I don't like Republicans, I don't care for Skull and Bones, Nixon , Reagan or the Bushes, like JFK, actually think the idea (a la Star Wars prequels) of controlling the enemy side of a war to "create a crisis" has a LOT of merit - ( though I want to see more evidence hit the mainstream before I really buy it), I think the UN is a good idea in principle.. I think nuclear weapons are bad and have the potential of wiping out millions- but that will only happen at the hands of extremists, wether they be Islamic extremeists or "America Rules" assholes who decide to wipe out millions of North Koreans in order to prevent ourselves from getting blown up. If this planet can find some common consensus- which is mostly prevalent with moderate people, progressive people, SANE people, people who want to enjoy life and aren't obsessed with pleasing God, or hating others or I don't know.. that sort of crap, than maybe we have a chance..

Anyway, I had more to say, and I really wrote this in the spirit of reproachment, but my real point is that we all don't think alike, and we certainly don't, though we probably share the same passion for these issues, we just don't have the same methods.

-Tara

[Tara Emory]

Oh yeah, here's my sexual fantasy, in keeping with the spirit of the thread (or at least where it's gone)...

After admitting to a clergyman of the Catholic Church that I am only 15 years old, I have been led blindfolded to a secret society to serve as their sexual slave, willing or unwilling. Richard Nixon and George Bush senior playfully tie me to a pyramid with an eye of Horus amidst other representaions of the illuminati, while I gyrate "No! No!" but my body says "yes! Yes!" and my hole adjusts to accept the greasy cock of Skull and Bones members John Kerry and Dubya Bush.

exhusted and bleeding, look, it's king kong! He's a Freemason too! and... oh hell, this fantasy is too disgusting to write, even as a joke.

Ick.

-Tara

[chefmike]

Oh yeah, here's my sexual fantasy, in keeping with the spirit of the thread (or at least where it's gone)...

After admitting to a clergyman of the Catholic Church that I am only 15 years old, I have been led blindfolded to a secret society to serve as their sexual slave, willing or unwilling. Richard Nixon and George Bush senior playfully tie me to a pyramid with an eye of Horus amidst other representaions of the illuminati, while I gyrate "No! No!" but my body says "yes! Yes!" and my hole adjusts to accept the greasy cock of Skull and Bones members John Kerry and Dubya Bush.

exhusted and bleeding, look, it's king kong! He's a Freemason too! and... oh hell, this fantasy is too disgusting to write, even as a joke.

Ick.

-Tara

ROTFLMAO.... :claps

[Trogdor]

Oh yeah, here's my sexual fantasy, in keeping with the spirit of the thread (or at least where it's gone)...

After admitting to a clergyman of the Catholic Church that I am only 15 years old, I have been led blindfolded to a secret society to serve as their sexual slave, willing or unwilling. Richard Nixon and George Bush senior playfully tie me to a pyramid with an eye of Horus amidst other representaions of the illuminati, while I gyrate "No! No!" but my body says "yes! Yes!" and my hole adjusts to accept the greasy cock of Skull and Bones members John Kerry and Dubya Bush.

exhusted and bleeding, look, it's king kong! He's a Freemason too! and... oh hell, this fantasy is too disgusting to write, even as a joke.

Ick.

-Tara

Hehehehehehe. Well, that's an orginal, if not disturbing idea if I've ever heard one. :lol:

If God idoes exist, he/she/it is looking down and saying, "I gave you people a nice world and you fucked it up. :P "

I say let's put the religion and thelogens aside and go back to the topic at hand.

It would be fun finding sexy lil Tara in a room in one ofher kinky costumes, her pointe's boots and seeing her sexy cock and ass for the taking and all to myself. Though I think Trish might want to jump in as well here.

WHY must you be so damned desirable, Tara? :mrgreen:

[irish_rose]

I would love to have a big boned shemale, maybe 12" in length, make love to me. I want to feel totally filled up with shemale cock and have her blast a big load of cum into me and make me pregnant
Kelly

[JRon]

Oh yeah, here's my sexual fantasy, in keeping with the spirit of the thread (or at least where it's gone)...

After admitting to a clergyman of the Catholic Church that I am only 15 years old, I have been led blindfolded to a secret society to serve as their sexual slave, willing or unwilling. Richard Nixon and George Bush senior playfully tie me to a pyramid with an eye of Horus amidst other representaions of the illuminati, while I gyrate "No! No!" but my body says "yes! Yes!" and my hole adjusts to accept the greasy cock of Skull and Bones members John Kerry and Dubya Bush.

exhusted and bleeding, look, it's king kong! He's a Freemason too! and... oh hell, this fantasy is too disgusting to write, even as a joke.

Ick.

-Tara

All I really have to say is that Tara, I have a whole new appreciation of you as a person, beyond the pictures of you I come across on the web.

No offense Jamie, but you got BURNED on this one.

[suckseed]

I would love to have a big boned shemale, maybe 12" in length, make love to me. I want to feel totally filled up with shemale cock and have her blast a big load of cum into me and make me pregnant
Kelly

Yeah, well I just bottomed for a TS (with a dick under 6") for the first time and all I can say is be careful what you wish for. My farts went down in pitch for days....j/k

[YasminLee]

HERE A COUPLE OF MY FANTASIES...FIRST ONE. IT HAPPEND THEN YEARS LATER I STILL FANTASIZE ABOUT IT...2001 HALLOWEEN..OR 2002 I DON'T REMEMBER...THE YEAR QUUEN OF THE DAM CAME OUT..I WAS DRESS AS HER..IN EAST LA TO DO A CHARITY SHOW FOR THE KIDS..ON MY WAY HOME..WALKING I WAS STOP BY THE POLICE. I KEEP ON LOOKING AT THE LIGHTS..IT'S GREEN..I'M NOT J WALKING..A FEW WORDS EXCHANGE AND HE WAS FLIRTING WITH ME..I LOOK OVER TO HIS PARTNER AND IT WAS A GUY I KNEW..A GAY GUY I SEE AT THE CLUBS ALL THE TIME..I FEEL A LOT BETTER..THEY GIVE ME A RIDE TO MY CAR..TOOK A TURN INTO THE ALLEY INSTEAD..LONG STORY SHORT..I END UP FUCKING THE COP ON THE HOOD OF THE CAR..THE GAY PARTNER WAS INSIDE JACKING OFF WHILE I WAS FUCKING...IF I CAN RELIVE THIS...MY FANTASY WOULD HAD BEEN...MAKE THE GAY COP CUM OUT AND GET FUCK TOO...WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT THEN...THINK I WAS TOO EXCITED...WHO KNOWS..SO THATS MY FANTASY..FUCK TO COPS NOT ONE....

[Trogdor]

HERE A COUPLE OF MY FANTASIES...FIRST ONE. IT HAPPEND THEN YEARS LATER I STILL FANTASIZE ABOUT IT...2001 HALLOWEEN..OR 2002 I DON'T REMEMBER...THE YEAR QUUEN OF THE DAM CAME OUT..I WAS DRESS AS HER..IN EAST LA TO DO A CHARITY SHOW FOR THE KIDS..ON MY WAY HOME..WALKING I WAS STOP BY THE POLICE. I KEEP ON LOOKING AT THE LIGHTS..IT'S GREEN..I'M NOT J WALKING..A FEW WORDS EXCHANGE AND HE WAS FLIRTING WITH ME..I LOOK OVER TO HIS PARTNER AND IT WAS A GUY I KNEW..A GAY GUY I SEE AT THE CLUBS ALL THE TIME..I FEEL A LOT BETTER..THEY GIVE ME A RIDE TO MY CAR..TOOK A TURN INTO THE ALLEY INSTEAD..LONG STORY SHORT..I END UP FUCKING THE COP ON THE HOOD OF THE CAR..THE GAY PARTNER WAS INSIDE JACKING OFF WHILE I WAS FUCKING...IF I CAN RELIVE THIS...MY FANTASY WOULD HAD BEEN...MAKE THE GAY COP CUM OUT AND GET FUCK TOO...WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT THEN...THINK I WAS TOO EXCITED...WHO KNOWS..SO THATS MY FANTASY..FUCK TO COPS NOT ONE....


:shock:



:mrgreen:

[hondarobot]

HERE A COUPLE OF MY FANTASIES...FIRST ONE. IT HAPPEND THEN YEARS LATER I STILL FANTASIZE ABOUT IT...2001 HALLOWEEN..OR 2002 I DON'T REMEMBER...THE YEAR QUUEN OF THE DAM CAME OUT..I WAS DRESS AS HER..IN EAST LA TO DO A CHARITY SHOW FOR THE KIDS..ON MY WAY HOME..WALKING I WAS STOP BY THE POLICE. I KEEP ON LOOKING AT THE LIGHTS..IT'S GREEN..I'M NOT J WALKING..A FEW WORDS EXCHANGE AND HE WAS FLIRTING WITH ME..I LOOK OVER TO HIS PARTNER AND IT WAS A GUY I KNEW..A GAY GUY I SEE AT THE CLUBS ALL THE TIME..I FEEL A LOT BETTER..THEY GIVE ME A RIDE TO MY CAR..TOOK A TURN INTO THE ALLEY INSTEAD..LONG STORY SHORT..I END UP FUCKING THE COP ON THE HOOD OF THE CAR..THE GAY PARTNER WAS INSIDE JACKING OFF WHILE I WAS FUCKING...IF I CAN RELIVE THIS...MY FANTASY WOULD HAD BEEN...MAKE THE GAY COP CUM OUT AND GET FUCK TOO...WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT THEN...THINK I WAS TOO EXCITED...WHO KNOWS..SO THATS MY FANTASY..FUCK TO COPS NOT ONE....

You did a charity show for some kids dressed as The Queen Of The Damned? That's pretty cool, actually.

I haven't read all your threads, but you're seeming like a pretty cool girl, Yasmin. Us guys are lucky so many cool girls show up on this forum. Not that my opinion means anything, but I'm just saying.

:)

[Jamie Cross]

If you had bothered to read what I wrote, then you ought to understand how absurd your above charges are, as I extensively documented that the message of Jesus Christ is that we follow the Golden Rule and that we love one another. Far from "slavery," following the commands of Christ would result in absolute and total liberty for everyone.

You've encapsuled the "message of Jesus Christ" into a very convenient but perhaps overly simplified package here.

It is easy to make a case for the liberating message of Jesus Christ, ironically, as a link in his Father's chain of slavery.

First we have God the Father, the omniscient, omnipotent creator of man and his world. He makes man a weak creature, prone to temptation and ultimately susceptible to corruption. He might have given man the same integrity that Jesus had, but this was not to be. Men were made, somehow, less perfect.

To complicate matters, God allowed his ignorant children to play in a very dangerous nursery. For in it, there was a Tree of Knowledge, and in that tree, a serpent that would tempt mouths to eat the forbidden fruit. Surely God knew before he even created man that he would ultimately eat the forbidden fruit and condemn himself. Still, the Father placed the forbidden tree in his children's reach and let the serpent remain there to tempt them. Almost as if to urge them on, God specifically pointed out that the Tree of Knowledge was the only thing in the garden that was strictly off limits. Who could resist?

Through God's ingenious design, man falls from a paradise that God knew would only be temporary when he set out to make it. Now man is damned and is left with only one hope.

Enter Jesus.

Here comes the Son of the Father. He allows himself to be crucified to pay off the balance owed of man's sin. Not that man should be the sin debtor, anyway, as it was the Father who engineered man's fall to begin with. Yet still, Jesus is here to pay the bill.

Now, some might see Jesus as our liberator from eternal damnation.

Others, however, might see it differently. Jesus, an agent sent to do us the favor of "paying off" a debt we should never of owed to begin with. A con artist. Only through Him, are we told, may we ever find salvation. Only if we agree to pledge ourselves to him are we spared eternal torment. No pressure, by the way. Yes, Jesus is here to do us the favor of saving us from his unreasonable Father. We are given the choice either to burn forever in a lake of fire or to sign the new contract that Jesus offers us instead. In the new contract, we confess our unworthiness, pledge our servitude to the Holy Trinity and for this are we spared.

Praise Jesus!


"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell."

-- excerpt from the liberating message of Jesus Christ


.

[suckseed]

hingshing, you make a good point. i believe that there's something more to life than meets the eye, but I do not trust humans to tell me what it is. The bible is full of lapses in logic and common sense, it's archaic, it's been altered by men anyway, and why would there be so much interaction between God and humans then but not for a couple of thousand years since th time of Jesus? How many little kids have to be suffering and dying until we get a modern day visit? oh, that's right. The End Times are coming. Or 2012 if you believe the Mayan calendar. The way I look at my own life is this. Whether or not there's a punishment; whether or not there's a reward; whether or not there's an afterlife, I'm still going to follow my dreams, find somebody to love, and try to be a good person, and not fuck people over. Try to help others. And just do it because it's the right thing to do, not for some prize behind the door, or because I'm scared of some immortal bogeyman. You got a different opinion? I'm all ears. What's your evidence? Oh, someone's writings? Third person accounts? Thanks, I'll stick with free will and my own intuition.
To me, the greatest proof of the Divine is nature, and the love of a good woman. Here's hoping we all find it. Even chefmike, and maybe he won't be so cranky! (Sorry to go off on you that time, dude - I don't know you, you don't know me...nothing personal, I just hate to see people get jumped on unless they're really asking for it.)

[chefmike]

If you had bothered to read what I wrote, then you ought to understand how absurd your above charges are, as I extensively documented that the message of Jesus Christ is that we follow the Golden Rule and that we love one another. Far from "slavery," following the commands of Christ would result in absolute and total liberty for everyone.

You've encapsuled the "message of Jesus Christ" into a very convenient but perhaps overly simplified package here.

It is easy to make a case for the liberating message of Jesus Christ, ironically, as a link in his Father's chain of slavery.

First we have God the Father, the omniscient, omnipotent creator of man and his world. He makes man a weak creature, prone to temptation and ultimately susceptible to corruption. He might have given man the same integrity that Jesus had, but this was not to be. Men were made, somehow, less perfect.

To complicate matters, God allowed his ignorant children to play in a very dangerous nursery. For in it, there was a Tree of Knowledge, and in that tree, a serpent that would tempt mouths to eat the forbidden fruit. Surely God knew before he even created man that he would ultimately eat the forbidden fruit and condemn himself. Still, the Father placed the forbidden tree in his children's reach and let the serpent remain there to tempt them. Almost as if to urge them on, God specifically pointed out that the Tree of Knowledge was the only thing in the garden that was strictly off limits. Who could resist?

Through God's ingenious design, man falls from a paradise that God knew would only be temporary when he set out to make it. Now man is damned and is left with only one hope.

Enter Jesus.

Here comes the Son of the Father. He allows himself to be crucified to pay off the balance owed of man's sin. Not that man should be the sin debtor, anyway, as it was the Father who engineered man's fall to begin with. Yet still, Jesus is here to pay the bill.

Now, some might see Jesus as our liberator from eternal damnation.

Others, however, might see it differently. Jesus, an agent sent to do us the favor of "paying off" a debt we should never of owed to begin with. A con artist. Only through Him, are we told, may we ever find salvation. Only if we agree to pledge ourselves to him are we spared eternal torment. No pressure, by the way. Yes, Jesus is here to do us the favor of saving us from his unreasonable Father. We are given the choice either to burn forever in a lake of fire or to sign the new contract that Jesus offers us instead. In the new contract, we confess our unworthiness, pledge our servitude to the Holy Trinity and for this are we spared.

Praise Jesus!


"And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell."

-- excerpt from the liberating message of Jesus Christ


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Great post, Jamie Cross...welcome aboard!

[eded]

nice