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Silcc69
02-10-2014, 07:30 AM
Yesterday, Michael Sam was known principally as a fierce and ferocious 260-pound Missouri defensive end, the 2013 SEC Defensive Player of the Year and a potential high-round pick in May's NFL draft. From the draftnik's notebooks: He holds the point of attack. He has a good motor. He can play 4-3 or 3-4. True, Sam played unremarkably at the Senior Bowl last month, but he was stationed for the first time at outside linebacker. His maturity -- he's already 24 -- and work ethic reside on the extreme edge of the bell curve.
Yet for all he accomplished in four years at Columbia, today Sam became known as something else, something unique in the history of football: an openly gay player on the cusp of his career. Regardless of his 40 time or his performance in the three-cone drill or his Wonderlic score, Sam is now the most intriguing prospect in the NFL. In an act that is at once courageous, unprecedented and postmodern, he has asserted that he is gay. "I'm Michael Sam. I'm a football player and I'm gay," he told The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/10/sports/michael-sam-college-football-star-says-he-is-gay-ahead-of-nfl-draft.html?hp&_r=0).
A year ago, NFL teams were rightfully criticized for asking potential draft picks questions on the order of "Do you have a girlfriend?" This year, Sam will save them the trouble of having to ask.
If Jason Collins demolished one barrier last year (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/news/20130429/jason-collins-gay-nba-player/) -- declaring that he was gay within days of finishing his 12th NBA season -- Sam laid ruin to another by coming out before the draft. Where Collins is a Stanford grad from Los Angeles, Sam is more than a decade younger and hails from Hitchcock, Texas (pop. 7,200). And unlike Collins -- who surprised his twin brother with his revelation -- Sam's sexuality was not a closely guarded secret at Missouri. Sam says he came out to his Missouri teammates last August. Coaches and classmates also knew he was gay well before today. Multiple sources have told SI that Sam strongly considered making an announcement late last summer and was willing to play his senior season as an openly homosexual athlete. (He decided against it at the last minute.)
THAMEL/EVANS: How will news that Michael Sam is gay affect his NFL draft stock? (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20140209/michael-sam-draft-stock/)
Word of Sam's intentions to come out spread beyond Mizzou. Last month, an SI writer approached Sam at the Senior Bowl and asked whether he would like to collaborate on a piece about his sexuality. Sam politely demurred, but he hardly appeared troubled or surprised by the inquiry. He assured the writer that it was okay that he had asked and added matter-of-factly, "It's going to be a big deal no matter who I do it with."
It's telling, too, that no one in Sam's orbit "outed" him, enabling him to tell his story on his terms and timetable. At some level this is a story about a generation gap. Sam and his cohort were raised in the era of Will & Grace and Modern Family, not The Brady Bunch, let alone My Three Sons. Friends, coaches and teammates all invoked the same line: It just wasn't a big deal.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/140209184148-michael-sam3-single-image-cut.jpg
Michael Sam (52) was a unanimous first-team All-America selection by both the AP and the Football Writers Association of America.
Jimmy Simmons/Icon SMI
SEC Defensive Player of the Year winners YearPlayerSchoolDraft pick 2013Michael SamMissouriTBD 2012Jarvis JonesGeorgia First round, 17th overall 2011Morris ClaiborneLSUFirst round, 6th overall 2010Patrick PetersonLSUFirst round, 5th overall 2009Rolando McClainAlabamaFirst round, 8th overall 2008Eric BerryTennesseeFirst round, 5th overall 2007Glenn DorseyLSUFirst round, 5th overall 2006Patrick WillisOle MissFirst round, 11th overall 2005DeMeco RyansAlabamaSecond round, 33rd overall 2004David PollackGeorgiaFirst round, 17th overall 2003Chad LavalaisLSUFifth round, 142nd overall

It remains to be seen, of course, whether Sam's sexuality will be a big deal in the NFL. The history is stubbornly uneven. As intensely analyzed as Sam will be, the NFL and entire Republic of Football will come under great scrutiny. When it was recently revealed that multiple key members of the 1993 Houston Oilers were gay, the response -- then and now -- was a collective shrug. "Listen, those guys that we're talking about were unbelievable teammates," said Pro Bowl linebacker Lamar Lathon. "And if you wanted to go to war with someone, you would get those guys first. Because I have never seen tougher guys than those guys." On the other hand, it was barely a year ago that 49ers cornerback Chris Culliver warned that a gay teammate wouldn't be welcome in the locker room, and barely a week ago that Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma expressed concern that a gay teammate might look at him in the shower.
There were murmurs last season that four prominent NFL players were going to come out en masse, buffered by "straight allies" such as punter Chris Kluwe and ex-linebacker Brendan Ayanbadejo. While the rhetoric of acceptance suggested that perhaps a football locker room wasn't the benighted cave it's been cracked up to be, the fact remains, the players never emerged. Instead? There were Kluwe's allegations that his special teams coach in Minnesota expressed a desire to "round up all the gays, send them to an island, and then nuke it until it glows." And the troubling free agency of Kerry Rhodes (http://www.outsports.com/2013/9/13/4727332/kerry-rhodes-not-banned-by-the-nfl-because-of-gay-rumors).
As for where Sam will get drafted, consider that he is the 11th man to win the SEC Defensive Player of the Year award. Each of the previous 10 winners was drafted prominently, eight in the first round.
Sam is a trailblazer and, by definition, that means embarking with no map or template. Nevertheless, he has equipped himself. His team of advisors includes Howard Bragman, an L.A. publicist with experience helping celebrities come out. Sam met with Collins in L.A. and spoke to Ayanbadejo. Last week plans were also afoot to put Sam together with former NFL cornerback Wade Davis, who came out in 2012, and Robbie Rogers, the openly gay L.A. Galaxy midfielder. As more athletes come out, a community of support has formed and fortified.
This we know: All the inevitable homophobic tweets and slurs will be offset by overwhelming support. As state after state recognizes marriage equality and Google devotes its daily "doodle" to protest Russia's homophobic legislation, and even the sitting Pope appears to accept homosexuality, figures like Sam are respected far more than they're reviled. For whatever short-term grief or dissonance he may encounter; for however many NFL teams decline to draft him, preferring not to deal with sexuality issues (or, in fairness, the attendant media circus); for whatever catcalls he hears in stadiums and in the trenches; he will be celebrated globally.
Consider: Barely a week after attending the State of the Union as a guest of Michelle Obama, Collins plans to spend much of Monday flying back to Washington, D.C., for a White House dinner. Suffice it to say, a year ago, he was not getting these invitations. It is the diminishing ranks of the intolerant who now reside on the margins of society and the curb of the culture.
"Any stigma is fading," said Martina Navratilova, one of the first in the lineage of openly gay athletes. "It's all becoming a question of when not if. The next when is an active gay athlete. It's happening brick-by-brick, and pretty soon, we'll have the whole house." She then took a second to chuckle in happy disbelief. "We've hit this tipping point, this flood, this ... I don't know what the term is."
Actually, there is a word for this: progress.



via si.com

Ben in LA
02-10-2014, 08:25 AM
If he's a good player, then I could care less who he's in bed with.

Too bad the majority of the world doesn't think that way.

youngblood61
02-10-2014, 02:35 PM
From all accounts great Football player. It will be interesting to see if he drops draft day. Wouldn't be a surprise if he ends up in Seattle. With all those personalty's he could maybe get lost. Should be interesting, is The NFL ready for this?

nysprod
02-10-2014, 02:52 PM
I'm going to guess his stock will drop as a result...top draft picks get much more money than later round guys and while i do see him being drafted, i don't see a team making a big money commitment to him right off the bat.

Probably if he was a top rated QB or even WR it might be different but not at his position...his size kind of makes him a 'tweener in that he's too light to go up against 300+lb OT's and is probably too heavy for LB.

ralyear56
02-10-2014, 03:12 PM
I'm going to guess his stock will drop as a result...top draft picks get much more money than later round guys and while i do see him being drafted, i don't see a team making a big money commitment to him right off the bat.

Probably if he was a top rated QB or even WR it might be different but not at his position...his size kind of makes him a 'tweener in that he's too light to go up against 300+lb OT's and is probably too heavy for LB.
He is currently projected to go on the third day of draft, which means the 4th round or later. Depending on how he performs at the combine, he might move up to the 3rd round if they feel he can play at linebacker. The issue for NFL teams is the media frenzy that will follow this kid for the next year and is a team prepared to tolerate that distraction la Tim Tebow?

daltx_m
02-10-2014, 04:20 PM
I don't know him. Is he a Tight End?

Silcc69
02-10-2014, 06:38 PM
I don't know him. Is he a Tight End?

Played out joke yawn.

dderek123
02-10-2014, 06:46 PM
Mike Sam that's a great name for a linebacker

pantybulge69
02-10-2014, 07:21 PM
I'm going to guess his stock will drop as a result...top draft picks get much more money than later round guys and while i do see him being drafted, i don't see a team making a big money commitment to him right off the bat.

Probably if he was a top rated QB or even WR it might be different but not at his position...his size kind of makes him a 'tweener in that he's too light to go up against 300+lb OT's and is probably too heavy for LB.

i think his draft stock will drop too. Simple because of his open sexuality. Bad enough that players in general have not adapted to gay community. But i think NFL personnel heads are likely to be even less sensitive. Hopefully he will end up with a team with a strong support system. teams who have dealt with adversity and controversial-related players or incidents.
All the more if Sams is very productive and there is not the locker room racket other teams themselves assume there would likely be if they had drafted Sams

The world has to placed in a position where they accept and adjust (i hate the word "tolerate") gay community, minorities, etc.

NightmareX0666
02-10-2014, 07:45 PM
I give the kid a lot of credit for coming out, and what he has faced so far in his college career. While listening to the sports radio, someone brought up a good point - if he has showered and was in the locker room with a bunch of 18 - 20 year old teammates and they showed him respect, professional players should be able to do the same.

My biggest concern is the combine, some of the questions they ask can be disturbing (Dez Bryant was asked by the Dolphins if his mother was a prostitute). What type of shit will they throw at this kid? Do you suck-off teammates? Will you blow for a job? Did your dad/priest/family friend molest you? Did you like it? Have you ever charged for anal? Would that money be considered going to food, rent, or school tuition? Or would it more applied to gay bars and going out?

Queens Guy
02-10-2014, 08:02 PM
The previous SEC Defensive Players of the Year were drafted early. Just curious how many teams planned to change the position the player would play at. Sam is small for a Defensive Lineman. Is he fast enough to be a Linebacker? Anybody know his time in the 40?

Those are legit concerns to even the most gay friendly team.

He seems like a great person. I wish him well.

ralyear56
02-10-2014, 09:14 PM
The previous SEC Defensive Players of the Year were drafted early. Just curious how many teams planned to change the position the player would play at. Sam is small for a Defensive Lineman. Is he fast enough to be a Linebacker? Anybody know his time in the 40?

Those are legit concerns to even the most gay friendly team.

He seems like a great person. I wish him well.
Combines are in 2 weeks so all the measurables will be known then. He also played very well at the Senior Bowl.

will802
02-10-2014, 10:27 PM
Bob Kraft went on record today stating that Michael Sam can play for the NE Patriots if he helps the team win. http://nesn.com/2014/02/robert-kraft-michael-sam-can-play-for-patriots-if-he-helps-team-win/

flabbybody
02-10-2014, 11:09 PM
The previous SEC Defensive Players of the Year were drafted early. Just curious how many teams planned to change the position the player would play at. Sam is small for a Defensive Lineman. Is he fast enough to be a Linebacker? Anybody know his time in the 40?

Those are legit concerns to even the most gay friendly team.

He seems like a great person. I wish him well.
Most folks I follow have him going mid to late second round.
Will the gay thing affect his draft selection status?
Nah. Owners and GM's live and die by crunching combine data.
What's his time in the forty and how did he rank in standing broad jump. No one except non-football media cares who he sleeps with.

broncofan
02-11-2014, 01:02 AM
Yesterday, Michael Sam was known principally as a fierce and ferocious 260-pound Missouri defensive end
Is he super also? I thought the use of the adjectives fierce and ferocious were a joking attempt to sound camp, but apparently that was dead serious commentary. I wish him luck. Hopefully it will encourage other gay athletes to come out of the closet.

youngblood61
02-11-2014, 01:37 AM
You here all the PC stuff from owners and GM's now, but who will pull the trigger in April? I'm hearing 4th round right now.

Dino Velvet
02-11-2014, 01:53 AM
Could be the best Center ever ejecting the ball instead of hiking it always having his hands free. QB's towel better be 2-ply.

NightmareX0666
02-11-2014, 02:51 AM
You here all the PC stuff from owners and GM's now, but who will pull the trigger in April? I'm hearing 4th round right now.

Thinking of who may not want to pick him up.

Jets - I do not know if they want someone being a representative or being a face of anything after the whole Tebow experience. Might have been a couple of years ago, but the media has never let them forget that nightmare.

Dolphins - After last years fiasco, probably be best not to bring Michael Sam into the mix even though Incognito is gone. And even though the Dolphins players (including former players Incognito and Martin) have stated their support for Michael - I do not think they would want bring another microscope into the way things happen in their locker room.

Packers - yeah that would be tough to live down. On the same note, if he was to go into the majors for baseball....might want to stay away from the Pirates.

youngblood61
02-11-2014, 03:41 AM
Thinking of who may not want to pick him up.

Jets - I do not know if they want someone being a representative or being a face of anything after the whole Tebow experience. Might have been a couple of years ago, but the media has never let them forget that nightmare.

Dolphins - After last years fiasco, probably be best not to bring Michael Sam into the mix even though Incognito is gone. And even though the Dolphins players (including former players Incognito and Martin) have stated their support for Michael - I do not think they would want bring another microscope into the way things happen in their locker room.

Packers - yeah that would be tough to live down. On the same note, if he was to go into the majors for baseball....might want to stay away from the Pirates.Agree on the Jets. Media scrutiny alone would be too much.

Ben
02-11-2014, 04:04 AM
I don't know him. Is he a Tight End?

A much more important question: is he a bottom or a top... :fuckin:

Ben
02-11-2014, 04:07 AM
TG woman Kelli Lox said something interesting. She said that a man, in this society, can be violent, can be controlling, as it were, but he can't be gay.
The notion of what it means to be a "man" is a social construct. We've devised what it means to be a "man" through culture, through our competitive sports, through TV, through movies, through the mass media and, well, through our whole inculcation system.
What if we altered, modified or changed the whole notion of what it means to be a "man." What if we taught boys, young men and, well, men that what it means to be a man is pretty straightforward. It means to be: moral, to be kind, to be caring.
I mean, again, it's a sheer social construct, a fabrication, a mere invention. It is not etched in stone.
I mean, the backlash against gays has always been: they aren't "men." Well, who decides what it means to be a quote man? And where did it come from?

Ben
02-11-2014, 04:11 AM
Grotesque NFL reaction to an openly gay player proves why Congress must pass non-discrimination law (http://pando.com/2014/02/10/grotesque-nfl-reaction-to-an-openly-gay-player-proves-why-congress-must-pass-non-discrimination-law/)

TSPornFan
02-11-2014, 04:18 AM
Who cares if he is gay? It's not affecting our lives. If he is a good player then draft him.

Ben
02-11-2014, 04:43 AM
Russia Applauds America's Efforts To Exclude Gay Athletes From Professional Sports:

Russia Applauds America's Efforts To Exclude Gay Athletes From Professional Sports - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6vSejda71w)

crystalsopen
02-11-2014, 08:12 AM
Bob Kraft went on record today stating that Michael Sam can play for the NE Patriots if he helps the team win. http://nesn.com/2014/02/robert-kraft-michael-sam-can-play-for-patriots-if-he-helps-team-win/
:iagree: and hope that most teams decision makers feel this way. I expect most athletes do. I played high school football (badly, I might add). And yes I actually was a tight end (feel free to make jokes about it). None of the former team mates that where still my friends years later when I came out as trans had a problem with it. At the end of the day teams want to win, and a good professional athlete who can help you win is worth having.

EZWind
02-11-2014, 11:49 AM
Who cares if he is gay? ...a whole buncha old uptight rich white guys who hold the purse strings

will802
02-11-2014, 01:59 PM
...a whole buncha old uptight rich white guys who hold the purse strings

Roger Goodell has an openly gay brother. You can be the will be having behind the scenes talks with these uptight rich white guys. Only time will tell.

Quiet Reflections
02-11-2014, 11:08 PM
He is good but he is undersized for his position gay or not that will be a problem for some teams. He would also need to go to an established team with a good coaching staff because if he ends up on a team with a bad front office, first year coach, or coach in danger of losing his job then I think he will ultimately get released because they won't have time to develop him properly with all the other rebuilding and PR stuff going on.

Ben
05-17-2014, 03:22 AM
Michael Sam Kiss Too Much For One TV Host:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eNLOBkuOY0

nysprod
05-17-2014, 03:48 AM
A much more important question: is he a bottom or a top... :fuckin:

Pretty sure his little twinkie bf is in bbc heaven lol

Jimmy W
05-17-2014, 04:23 AM
A post that starts with paragraph after copy paste paragraph....who fucking cares if this guy is gay. Two guys in the NFL tweet dumb comments and the rest of the planet has better things to do

stan.smith
05-17-2014, 07:41 AM
Im not gonna lie i was quite taken back and shocked when they showed him kiss his bf live on national tv. call me homophobic but thats just GAY!

flabbybody
05-17-2014, 07:59 AM
Let's calm the fuck down with the gay shit. His draft status dropped like a dead whale because he had lousy combine numbers, then pulled a hamstring in 40 yard dash on pro day. Now he wants to show up at Ram training camp with Oprah film crew...not exactly what seventh round picks ought to be doing. If I'm Jeff Fisher I might decide the distraction isn't worth it. If Sam doesn't make the team it might be his own doing.

bobluvs1
05-17-2014, 01:37 PM
I could give a shit less if the guy is gay or straight. That doesn't tell me if he can play football or not. What does bother me about this whole thing is the media for one won't let it go. Two Sam,s is having his 15 minutes of fame. Three why is Oprah involved in the first place is it because he's black or would she have done the same thing for a white player. Four since his coming out party this guy has completely failed in all area's for being ready for the combine. Five he's overrated and not as good as he thinks he is. His play in the SEC championship showed that. He's undersized for his position and will probably be moved to outside linebacker. Six you don't show up to training camp with a camera crew in tow. That tells me that you have little to no chance of making the ball club to being with. He'll be cut before the season and he can then concentrate on his reality Television Show!!! Sam's as a Football Player LITERALLY SUCKS!!!!

Bopper007
05-17-2014, 06:14 PM
At least Harpo decided not to do the reality show. I still don't think he makes the team.

El_hefe
05-19-2014, 07:26 AM
So that famous kiss with his boyfriend on the news everywhere? It turns out that his boyfriend, Vito, is the son of a Mafia hood & the grandson of a big time Mob boss hitman: Willie "the Rat". Time was this wouldn't be allowed. I think you still can't be openly gay & actually in the mafia.

dreamon
03-30-2015, 03:03 AM
Michael Sam recently tried out at the NFL Veteran's Combine. He wasn't signed, but might end up in the Canadian Football League this season.

Having watched him in preseason last year, the kid can play. He has great football instincts and has a nose for the quarterback as a pass rusher. BUT... he just doesn't have the size. As an undersized former football player, I always hate to say that, but it's really quite true for Sam. For his skillset, he's simply too small. He lacks the speed and size to match up consistently against NFL offensive lineman.

I hope he sticks in the CFL, and regardless of whether he succeeds or doesn't in the NFL, he's blazed lots of trails and will make it much easier for future gay players. He was able to fit into TWO NFL locker rooms without a single incident. If that doesn't show the NFL is ready for gay players, I don't know what does.

youngblood61
03-30-2015, 02:06 PM
To small, to slow that = Not For Long.