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Jimmy W
02-02-2014, 11:54 PM
Time to roll out the fake outrage:

http://theinterrobang.com/2014/02/precious-apologizes-for-using-the-word-tranny/

Dino Velvet
02-02-2014, 11:57 PM
Because of her I can't call a sweet gal precious anymore. Makes broads more self-conscious than ever when I'm trying to be nice and make time with them.

Where was Arsenio's rebuttal??? Probably in his butt too..

Eddie Murphy - Boogie In Your Butt (with lyrics) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TkAZ7T6ZDw)

Tapatio
02-03-2014, 12:09 AM
What's a precious?

fred41
02-03-2014, 12:09 AM
On a different note...it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out Arsenio likes to "dress up"...:)

RyderMonroe
02-03-2014, 01:29 AM
I feel more offended that she was making fun of trans women who were obviously being victimized by police. Her use of a slur to refer to them was the icing on the cake. All in all a very callous thing to say and joke about. Change "tranny" to "nigger" and imagine how ppl would have reacted.

simonisthebest
02-03-2014, 02:03 AM
first of all since when the word "tranny" is a insult :yayo:

& please ryder do not put the word nigger on the same level:yayo:

robertlouis
02-03-2014, 04:43 AM
first of all since when the word "tranny" is a insult :yayo:

& please ryder do not put the word nigger on the same level:yayo:

Ryder can stand up for herself, but read the context. If someone had used the n word on the show the reaction would probably have been greater.

And you're revealing your ignorance about the scene. A great many transwomen find the term "tranny" extremely demeaning and insulting.

Jamie French
02-03-2014, 04:45 AM
I love the word tranny, it's a cute shorthand for trans-anything. I call myself a tranny in mixed company and no one bats an eye because of course that's what I am. I was born a dude, switched sides so now I'm a tranny. Makes perfect sense to me. If I was a woman I'd have a uterus, if I were a man I'd act like one. Since neither of those apply... Tranny.

Dino Velvet
02-03-2014, 04:47 AM
Wonder how Precious woulda liked this. I'm sure she'd like people to be tolerant toward her. Glad I ignored the movie also.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YXsshqWx9Ag/UjK49tPf8bI/AAAAAAAALwE/MC2eslLAFJQ/s1600/Arsenio-Hall-Show-2013.jpg
"Fatty-Fatty two-by-four can't get through the kitchen door!"

Jamie French
02-03-2014, 05:00 AM
If the word tranny offends anyone I can only lay blame on those who are offended. Tranny was a word that had no charge. It was just a word. Then one day, people who have a hair up their ass, the easily offended, self marginalized, victim mentality folks who stand up for 'causes' declared the word offensive and gave all it's power to the opposing team. Why would you do that? Why not own the word? Why give away such power so freely? Because giving over the power of words allows for a never ending cycle of being offended and angry and that's a hell of a dopamine rush. Today's Activism is pure masochism.

I want equality just as much as the next person. So I just take it. I don't immediately join a club and separate myself from the fold. It's easy, just live life and fuck up anyone who fucks with you.

longestnamever
02-03-2014, 05:32 AM
First time hearing that "tranny" is considered an insult also.

robertlouis
02-03-2014, 05:47 AM
First time hearing that "tranny" is considered an insult also.

Well you'll just have to trust me. A lot of girls don't like it.

Not a pop at you Jamie - your positivity is an example to all. I guess all I'm saying is that there are some girls early in transition or lacking in confidence who find the use of the term demeaning - and it's all about context, after all. There are lots of transphobic people out there who use it as an insult with the intention to wound and hurt.

Jamie French
02-03-2014, 07:16 AM
Anybody offended by the word, 'tranny' should not show up to the TRANNY Awards.

I'll be there dressed to the 9's.

robertlouis
02-03-2014, 07:19 AM
Anybody offended by the word, 'tranny' should not show up to the TRANNY Awards.

I'll be there dressed to the 9's.

Aww, I thought you'd turn it up to 11, Jamie. ;)

Jamie French
02-03-2014, 07:22 AM
The number of people who are actively transphobic are even more diffuse among the nation than trannies themselves. They are not a force to be reckoned with because they were never a force to begin with. Let's stop pretending that there is a 'they' out there fuckin' with us at all times. I live in the heart of fucking TEXAS and no one has ever fucked with me. If on the rare occasion you meet some gender bashing asshole, be the bigger asshole. Be the monster in their horror movie rather than the other away around. I cry no tears for the weak. Self actualize or fall by the wayside.


Well you'll just have to trust me. A lot of girls don't like it.

Not a pop at you Jamie - your positivity is an example to all. I guess all I'm saying is that there are some girls early in transition or lacking in confidence who find the use of the term demeaning - and it's all about context, after all. There are lots of transphobic people out there who use it as an insult with the intention to wound and hurt.

runningdownthatdream
02-03-2014, 07:24 AM
If the word tranny offends anyone I can only lay blame on those who are offended. Tranny was a word that had no charge. It was just a word. Then one day, people who have a hair up their ass, the easily offended, self marginalized, victim mentality folks who stand up for 'causes' declared the word offensive and gave all it's power to the opposing team. Why would you do that? Why not own the word? Why give away such power so freely? Because giving over the power of words allows for a never ending cycle of being offended and angry and that's a hell of a dopamine rush. Today's Activism is pure masochism.

I want equality just as much as the next person. So I just take it. I don't immediately join a club and separate myself from the fold. It's easy, just live life and fuck up anyone who fucks with you.

Ahhhh, Jamie you forgot to mention that some of the same folks outraged by the term tranny are ok to be called that and many other things in the name of making a buck via sites like Shemale (a term that I think should be more offensive) Yum or Trannypack to name a few.

Jamie French
02-03-2014, 07:37 AM
There is no way on Earth the word shemale should be taken as offensive. Its a completely made up word by the porn industry to market exactly what it describes. It has a definitive use with zero negative connotations. The argument for 'shemales' offensiveness would be akin to naming your product "Shitty Garbage" and expecting to make sales based on the fact the description is negative and offensive. That's not how marketing works. It's a retarded contrivance all the way around which scarcely bares the weight of acknowledgment.

And anyone who takes offense to a word in their personal life but let's it slide in matters of their bottom line should be shot on site for harboring spineless convictions.


Ahhhh, Jamie you forgot to mention that some of the same folks outraged by the term tranny are ok to be called that and many other things in the name of making a buck via sites like Shemale (a term that I think should be more offensive) Yum or Trannypack to name a few.

tsmirandameadows
02-03-2014, 07:55 AM
The number of people who are actively transphobic are even more diffuse among the nation than trannies themselves. They are not a force to be reckoned with because they were never a force to begin with. Let's stop pretending that there is a 'they' out there fuckin' with us at all times. I live in the heart of fucking TEXAS and no one has ever fucked with me. If on the rare occasion you meet some gender bashing asshole, be the bigger asshole. Be the monster in their horror movie rather than the other away around. I cry no tears for the weak. Self actualize or fall by the wayside.

You have to remember that you're dealing with the South and Southerners are nothing if not polite. I never had anyone threatening me in the streets when I lived in Austin, but conversely, I never got a call back on any job application in which I was forced to out myself, and the girls I was living with routinely get hassled by the cops for all manner of contrived reasons. The point is, your average Texan may not say anything to you face to face, but that doesn't mean they aren't thinking it, and won't act on if they have something to hide behind, i.e. a badge, or a HR desk.

robertlouis
02-03-2014, 08:09 AM
You have to remember that you're dealing with the South and Southerners are nothing if not polite. I never had anyone threatening me in the streets when I lived in Austin, but conversely, I never got a call back on any job application in which I was forced to out myself, and the girls I was living with routinely get hassled by the cops for all manner of contrived reasons. The point is, your average Texan may not say anything to you face to face, but that doesn't mean they aren't thinking it, and won't act on if they have something to hide behind, i.e. a badge, or a HR desk.

Austin isn't Texas. Admittedly I was there with a guitar and playing bars and suchlike, unlike when I was in Dallas on telecoms business, so found the former very mellow and relatively liberal on most counts, Dallas on the other hand was full of racists, rednecks and homophobes. A very unpleasant city.

Although I did get a great deal on a Taylor guitar there and had some great nights at the Old Monk pub. :)

tsmirandameadows
02-03-2014, 08:14 AM
Strictly speaking, I lived in Round Rock, which aside from a few tech industry commuters, most definitely IS Texas. :)

robertlouis
02-03-2014, 08:20 AM
Strictly speaking, I lived in Round Rock, which aside from a few tech industry commuters, most definitely IS Texas. :)

tibi epistulam misi. :)

RyderMonroe
02-03-2014, 08:34 AM
Well like I said , it wasn't really her using the word that was offensive. It was her deriding of the trans women who are routinely targeted by police in New Orleans that was the real callous part of it I think. Her use of the word to describe them is predictable given her apparent lack of empathy she showed my making fun of that situation in the first place . You may not experience discrimination Jaimie but many trans women of color do. 10 times over if they're black and visibly trans. You shouldn't disregard their experiences . Police targeting trans women is a real thing especially in New Orleans for trans women of color.

robertlouis
02-03-2014, 08:40 AM
Well like I said , it wasn't really her using the word that was offensive. It was her deriding of the trans women who are routinely targeted by police in New Orleans that was the real callous part of it I think. Her use of the word to describe them is predictable given her apparent lack of empathy she showed my making fun of that situation in the first place . You may not experience discrimination Jaimie but many trans women of color do. 10 times over if they're black and visibly trans. You shouldn't disregard their experiences . Police targeting trans women is a real thing especially in New Orleans for trans women of color.

You've nailed it there, Ryder, and I guess that's what I was trying to say several pages earlier lol.

It's the context in which the word is used that's all-important, and it's abundantly clear that she was going out of her way to use the word in a pejorative and insulting manner.

Ben in LA
02-03-2014, 08:48 AM
On a different note...it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out Arsenio likes to "dress up"...:)

Yeah, right...

Jamie French
02-03-2014, 08:56 AM
And I don't think awful things about all the silly ass hats I encounter on a day to day basis? Everyone has something about them someone else might find disagreeable. I keep my mouth shut out of politeness every bit as much as anyone else for any number of reasons. If someone is polite enough to not fuck with me even though the gender thing might creep them out then they are abiding by the social contract exactly as I do. They get a pass in the same way that I get a pass.

Any time I've been arrested for traffic warrants or some such garbage the police have always gone out of there way to make sure my arrest & time in jail was as hassle free as possible. I get my own cell and everything far away from riffraff that might cause problems. And as far as work goes... not applicable to me. I hate work. I'd never apply for a job on the grid. I've done everything in my power to assure that I never have to answer to a suit or a man with a name tag.


You have to remember that you're dealing with the South and Southerners are nothing if not polite. I never had anyone threatening me in the streets when I lived in Austin, but conversely, I never got a call back on any job application in which I was forced to out myself, and the girls I was living with routinely get hassled by the cops for all manner of contrived reasons. The point is, your average Texan may not say anything to you face to face, but that doesn't mean they aren't thinking it, and won't act on if they have something to hide behind, i.e. a badge, or a HR desk.

Jamie French
02-03-2014, 09:17 AM
I'd stop living where it was always a hassle to be myself. I've been homeless, I've lived in cash cars, I've couch surfed for years. I know what a drag it is to pick up stakes and leave when you don't have the funds to do so. Fuck it, break a couple of laws and do what it takes to get yourself in a proper environment. That's what I did. I refuse to suffer unjustly. I urge the oppressed to stop putting up with bullshit. Not by complaining but by taking matters into your own hands and fucking some shit up. It's the only real way. Whining about words is a safe and wholly in effective way to bend life to your favor. You gotta get your hands dirty. You'll pay a few penalties, learn a few hard lessons, but ultimately you'll be free and in a position where you can afford to be snarky and dismissive on your very own internet connection... just like me.


Well like I said , it wasn't really her using the word that was offensive. It was her deriding of the trans women who are routinely targeted by police in New Orleans that was the real callous part of it I think. Her use of the word to describe them is predictable given her apparent lack of empathy she showed my making fun of that situation in the first place . You may not experience discrimination Jaimie but many trans women of color do. 10 times over if they're black and visibly trans. You shouldn't disregard their experiences . Police targeting trans women is a real thing especially in New Orleans for trans women of color.

tsmirandameadows
02-03-2014, 09:22 AM
And I don't think awful things about all the silly ass hats I encounter on a day to day basis? Everyone has something about them someone else might find disagreeable. I keep my mouth shut out of politeness every bit as much as anyone else for any number of reasons. If someone is polite enough to not fuck with me even though the gender thing might creep them out then they are abiding by the social contract exactly as I do. They get a pass in the same way that I get a pass.

Any time I've been arrested for traffic warrants or some such garbage the police have always gone out of there way to make sure my arrest & time in jail was as hassle free as possible. I get my own cell and everything far away from riffraff that might cause problems. And as far as work goes... not applicable to me. I hate work. I'd never apply for a job on the grid. I've done everything in my power to assure that I never have to answer to a suit or a man with a name tag.

Here's a thought experiment: there is someone whom you dislike intensely for whatever reason. You keep this to yourself and are polite to this person when you have to interact with them. Despite your politeness, you actually desire to kill this person. If you could kill him or her and get away with it, you would do so without hesitation. Failing an opportunity for murder, you are always on the look out for ways in which you can do this person wrong, so long as you bear no consequence for it. Nevertheless, you are always polite in your interactions with this person. Are you abiding by the letter of the social contract you mentioned? Are you abiding by the spirit of the contract? Does politeness exculpate a willingness to inflict harm on someone? What if we're not talking about an individual, but rather a group which you have prejudged? Does your politeness excuse your prejudgement and your willingness to inflict harm upon members of said group without regard to their individual merits?

This analogy isn't 100% comparable -- social exclusion and shunning, i.e. systematic denial of employment and systematic harassment by law enforcement, isn't murder after all -- but there's a reason Achilles tells Odysseus that the man most worthy of hate is the one who says one thing and holds another in his heart. We intuitively retch at the idea when people treat us one way, face to face, but then have something very different to say about us when we're not present. When someone regards you with scorn and inflicts harm upon you on the basis of prejudgement, I don't think trying to conceal that is somehow a virtue or a fulfillment of the social contract: if anything, it just makes the person more blameworthy.

RyderMonroe
02-03-2014, 09:31 AM
Were you already living that life before you transitioned? If I recall correctly you spent much of your adult life as a crossdresser. You had white male privilege and it's not so easy for everyone. These girls are young and vulnerable and are faced with very real violence. You can't just chalk it up to these girls not being strong or willing to survive. There are very real life obstacles that exist for them at every turn. You should have more sympathy. For the ppl that would be offended by someone going on tv and completely making fun of the abject discrimination and police brutality that they deal with.

Jamie French
02-03-2014, 09:40 AM
WOAH there! You assume white male privilege because that'd give you the argumentative advantage. You don't DON'T have that bit of arsenal this go around. The ONLY reason I could have been qualified as a CD is because I simply didn't have access to hormone therapy or the proper finances needed to afford everything else that goes with transition. I've never lived as a man outright. From the age of 13 on I've had to gradually ware on my friends and family before I reached outright acceptance. I had NO fucking privileges and have never treated my gender in an experimental fashion. When I was 19 I compromised ONCE in order not to be thrown out of my families home. Then I threw all that out the window and decided that homeless and happy was better than secure and miserable. I threw away a three year engagement with someone who couldn't follow me as I took up full time therapy and transition. Don't assume. I come directly from the fucking streets. I'm tough as shit and have enough experience with self actualization in the face of adversity to spread over nine goddamned lives.


Were you already living that life before you transitioned? If I recall correctly you spent much of your adult life as a crossdresser. You had white male privilege and it's not so easy for everyone. These girls are young and vulnerable and are faced with very real violence. You can't just chalk it up to these girls not being strong or willing to survive. There are very real life obstacles that exist for them at every turn. You should have more sympathy. For the ppl that would be offended by someone going on tv and completely making fun of the abject discrimination and police brutality that they deal with.

RyderMonroe
02-03-2014, 09:48 AM
Well then you should know first hand how hard it is.

RyderMonroe
02-03-2014, 09:50 AM
And aren't you like 30? It took you 10 years to afford hormones?

Jamie French
02-03-2014, 11:51 AM
I'm 34 and I spent every spare penny building the foundation it takes to have complete creative freedom to do whatever I wish. Some things are more important than gender and my music is one of them, by leaps and bounds. Because I spent my money on my dreams rather than my condition and took the necessary time to sharpen my skill sets in production across all forms of media, I am in a position of power. I do what I want, when I want, however I see fit.

If I dumped all my cash into 'mones and tits at an earlier age I'd just be another vacant short run model instead of a person who is in demand by virtue of my creative merit alone.

I went for HRT when it was fiscally reasonable for me to do so.

Now explain to me why you think I have to answer to you.


And aren't you like 30? It took you 10 years to afford hormones?

GroobySteven
02-03-2014, 02:19 PM
It's contextual and I've been over this before. Simply using the word "tranny" and specifically in terms of the porn industry, adult modeling, escorting or entertainment, isn't problematic. Walking up to someone in the street and saying "Are you a tranny?" is a problem.

We've experienced some negative feedback on The Tranny Awards which I find is a little pathetic, especially as an earlier poster mentioned, they're happy to get paid to work on "Shemale Yum" and use their genitals as part of that modeling. The Tranny Awards is an adult entertainment awards - and the truth is, we'd been thinking about a new name for it, for a while, purely to get mainstream publicity (shown on cable, etc.) but I'm not going to do that, for a few immature, "politicized" idiots from the Pacific West.
One sponsor pulled out because she was getting bad feedback from some of her models/collaborators on the word "tranny" in the awards. I pointed out that she'd appeared in titles called "He/She" and ".... Sluts" which I found far more objectionable - I didn't get the courtesy of a reply.

It's the context it's used in. It's short for "trans________". It's not a word created to be offensive and those who take offense show how small minded they really are - and how they're missing the big picture and where the fight really needs to be taken.