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Stavros
01-18-2014, 07:50 PM
An article from 2013 reprinted in the UK paper The Independent is quite entertaining and informative. I suppose if one wanted to take them down a peg one could suggest they call themselves the Capitol Clowns; - I don't think there is rule the name of the city must be in the name of the team. Washington Prophets sounds ominous; Washington Lawmen could give it a kind of wild west image; Washington Donuts for fun or at least until they wins something, but I am sure some of you will have your own ideas. And yes, I think it is time change.

Rupert Cornwell
Sunday 17 February 2013

Washington Redskins – time for a name change?
Out of America: US sports teams are dropping Native Indian-inspired names that are viewed as racist
What's in a name? A lot, is the answer, if you're a famous American professionals sports franchise called the Redskins. I refer, of course, to my local National Football League team, the Redskins. For many, maybe most, Washingtonians, they're the most cherished institution in town. But they're also, according to detractors, a billboard for a racial slur. We've been round this course before, but this time the din is especially loud. The reasons are various. For one thing, the team is doing better, so more people notice it. Pressure, too, has been growing for the Redskins to move back into DC proper from suburban Maryland. But, if so, Washington's mayor has suggested, then a name change should be considered. And finally, there was this month's symposium at the National Museum of the American Indian here, when speaker after speaker took issue with Native American mascots in professional sports, and the Redskins in particular.
It's easy to dismiss the fuss as political correctness in America once again run riot. The name, it is pointed out, has been around since even before the Redskins moved from Boston to Washington in 1937. Is it really offensive, and even if it is, what's the problem? Yes, American Indian activists wax indignant about it – but the most recent poll on the subject, admittedly a decade ago, found the average Native American basically couldn't care less.
Nor, too, could the Redskins' management, adamantly opposed to change. As is currently noted on the franchise's website, some 70 high school teams, from 25 US states, go by the same name. Far from being a slur, it is intended as a tribute to the valorous warrior qualities of the original Indians – the virtues on which a fierce sport prides itself most.
Still, the critics have a solid case. Could you imagine that museum where the symposium took place, in its hallowed place by the Washington Mall, being called the National Museum of the Redskin? Or try a few comparable variants (the precise degree of offensiveness is naturally subjective): the Washington Darkies, say, or the Washington Eyeties, the Washington Ragheads, the Washington Spics. No way.
Dan Snyder, a media tycoon who owns the Redskins, is Jewish. As The Washington Post columnist Mike Wise told the symposium, Snyder surely would not appreciate it if his team were named the Hebrews, and its mascot was a man "with the Dead Sea Scrolls in one hand and a menorah in the other".
And as for the "honour" supposedly being bestowed – is that not just a condescending trifle tossed by the conqueror in the direction of the noble savage, scant recompense for the appalling treatment of indigenous Americans in the 19th century by the European settlers and pioneers?
Slowly but surely, the revisionists seem to be winning the battle. Not perhaps at the major league level, where Chief Wahoo is still the public face of the Cleveland Indians baseball team. Nor does anyone seem greatly exercised by baseball's Atlanta Braves (whose fans perform the "tomahawk chop" at moments of special excitement), or by the NFL's Kansas City Chiefs or by ice hockey's Chicago Blackhawks.
But lower down the sporting food chain, Indian names and mascots are disappearing. It's six years now since Chief Illiniwek, bedecked in his elaborate headdress, did his last pre-game dance as mascot of the "Fighting Illini" basketball team of the University of Illinois. Across the country, the number of school teams with Indian nicknames has shrunk from about 3,000 to an estimated 900. But Redskins would be – pardon the phrase – by far the biggest scalp yet.
Not only do they represent the nation's capital. In a city famous for rancour and partisanship, the Redskins are the great uniter, cutting across divisions of race, class or party. Rich or poor, black or white, Republican or Democrat; open their hearts when they die and you will probably find an Indian's head, with two feathers at its back, engraved in the team's colours of burgundy and gold.
Business-wise, too, the franchise has been a gift that keeps on giving. The Redskins haven't won a Super Bowl since 1992 but, according to Forbes magazine, they rank as the fifth most valuable sports franchise on the planet, behind only Manchester United and Real Madrid, baseball's New York Yankees and Washington's NFL arch-rival, the Dallas Cowboys.
But finding a new name may not be easy, as neighbouring Virginia found in its search for a new official anthem. In 1997, the state dropped "Carry Me Back to Old Virginny", harking back to Confederate times, because of the lyrics' reference to "massa" and "darkie". Sixteen years later, as far as I know, they still don't have a replacement.
And there's another problem with the Redskins. Any new name will have to fit into the team's own anthem, sung after every touchdown. "Hail to the Redskins," it goes, militaristic and maddeningly catchy, "Hail Vic-tor-y/Braves on the Warpath/Fight for old DC."
So where do you go? Some favour plain "Skins", as the team is familiarly known, and which also neatly alludes to the pigskin from which the football itself is made. Alas, in the first line of the anthem, "Skins" just wouldn't scan. Others suggest Washington Potomacs or Washington Piscataway, names taken from two Indian tribes once in the area.
Then there are the boring names, like Federals, Generals or Senators, referring to the city's main industries of government and war. And talking of local industry, did someone mention the Washington Lobbyists? My favourite suggestion is the Washington Drones, highly topical but, I fear, too Wooster-esque for the macho NFL. Which leaves the eternal standby: the Washington Warriors. It's kind of Indian-related, and it scans.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/washington-redskins--time-for-a-name-change-8498104.html

Yeah
01-18-2014, 07:53 PM
No. They shouldn't change it

Dino Velvet
01-18-2014, 11:02 PM
How about call them the Washington Incompetent Public Servants? Only the people who work there will be offended 'cuz their ears are burning so bad their heads are on fire.

Have a clown circle the field on his bicycle when they score a touchdown.

http://gentner.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/obama-bike.jpg

dderek123
01-18-2014, 11:10 PM
Washington Foreskins

Odelay
01-19-2014, 12:00 AM
My 9th grade football team were called the Savages. I have never researched whether they're still called that, as it's even more offensive than the Redskins.

Odelay
01-19-2014, 12:07 AM
How about call them the Washington Incompetent Public Servants? Only the people who work there will be offended 'cuz their ears are burning so bad their heads are on fire.

Have a clown circle the field on his bicycle when they score a touchdown.

http://gentner.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/obama-bike.jpg
Believe it or not, Dino, there are a lot of Federal employees who work in DC, who work very hard. In fact, I saw people working a lot harder at my job there back in the 80's than I do today at a job for one of the Fortune 500. I see a lot of lazy fucks around me who really don't do much of anything and others who go onto paid disability the moment they're shoulder hurts a little.

95racer
01-19-2014, 04:32 AM
How about call them the Washington Incompetent Public Servants? Only the people who work there will be offended 'cuz their ears are burning so bad their heads are on fire.

Have a clown circle the field on his bicycle when they score a touchdown.

http://gentner.us/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/obama-bike.jpg

This, X2 :)

Leave the name alone.

Ben in LA
01-19-2014, 04:25 PM
How about call them the Washington Incompetent Public Servants? Only the people who work there will be offended 'cuz their ears are burning so bad their heads are on fire.

Have a clown circle the field on his bicycle when they score a touchdown.



Great idea. The fans in the stands wouldn't have to dress as Hogs anymore; their "war paint" would be different. These clowns would even scare Raider Nation if they showed up to the Black Hole...and that's saying something.

my my my!
01-19-2014, 06:19 PM
No, Redskins is fine. I've asked this alot to my native american friends, and they're actually fine with it.

It's just more of the politically correct bs.

Dino Velvet
01-19-2014, 08:33 PM
Great idea. The fans in the stands wouldn't have to dress as Hogs anymore; their "war paint" would be different. These clowns would even scare Raider Nation if they showed up to the Black Hole...and that's saying something.

Even if Raider fans recognized them under the paint and they were all in Oakland at once? I respect the office of the janitor more. Join up with us, Charger fan. Between the two of us we hate them all.

Dino Velvet
01-19-2014, 08:36 PM
It's just more of the politically correct bs.

Yes. Do-gooders doing more hand-wringing. Carson Daly is planning his PSA.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Carson%2BDaly%2BNBC%2BVoice%2BPress%2BConference%2 BPkxCQqEoEoDl.jpg
"We must all be nice to each other and tolerate everything whether good or bad. Peace."

Ben
01-20-2014, 12:12 AM
What about the: Washington Beer Nuts -- :joke:
Or the: Washington Mints. And have this pic of Mint on their Jerseys -- :)

buttslinger
01-20-2014, 07:55 PM
I bleed Burgundy and Gold, but I think the name is blatantly offensive to American Indians, if you really sit down and think about it. That has to change.

As for the new name, let the Goddam Oneida Indians pick one.

As a Redskin fan, I will never recognize the new name. The new name will be a bad joke.

Dino Velvet
01-21-2014, 03:48 AM
Washington Rodents work too and Henry Waxman can be their mascot.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ScreenHunter_18-Sep.-20-10.19.gif

Ben
02-16-2014, 03:02 AM
Washington Redskins Pressured to Change Name - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cviXNQ9n9kg)

Ben
06-19-2014, 04:07 AM
US patent office strips Washington Redskins of 'offensive' trademarks:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jun/18/washington-redskins-lose-trademark-team-us-patent-office

Turlington
06-19-2014, 08:23 AM
On a serious note, if the DO change the name, call them the Senators...as their original NFL team was called.

buttslinger
06-20-2014, 04:47 AM
.. call them the Senators...as their original NFL team was called.

Jeez, Turly, that was the Baseball team.

LI SEAN08
06-20-2014, 04:53 AM
Lets stop a minute and think about the amount of added income the team can now make on selling new shirts, jerseys, hats etc, with a brand new logo/nickname. Why fight it..... no one said they HAVE to CHANGE it anyway!!!

notdrunk
06-20-2014, 05:47 AM
On a serious note, if the DO change the name, call them the Senators...as their original NFL team was called.

Their original name was the Braves. The Washington Senators of the MLB are the Texas Rangers now.

NYBURBS
06-20-2014, 06:14 AM
Washington Rodents work too and Henry Waxman can be their mascot.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ScreenHunter_18-Sep.-20-10.19.gif

I nearly spit my drink lmao

Turlington
06-20-2014, 09:32 AM
Jeez, Turly, that was the Baseball team.
Jeez, Turly, I know that. They won only one World Series back in 1924. As for football, see below.

Their original name was the Braves. The Washington Senators of the MLB are the Texas Rangers now.
The NFL team started in Boston as the Braves. They were renamed the Redskins, then moved to Washington.

The ORIGINAL Washington Senators (was also the Nationals for a bit) moved to Minnesota to become the Twins. The 1961 Washington Senators expansion team moved to Texas to become the Rangers.

And yes, there WAS a Senators NFL team...although they were short lived. I think I know what I'm talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Senators_(NFL)

notdrunk
06-20-2014, 02:33 PM
Jeez, Turly, I know that. They won only one World Series back in 1924. As for football, see below.

The NFL team started in Boston as the Braves. They were renamed the Redskins, then moved to Washington.

The ORIGINAL Washington Senators (was also the Nationals for a bit) moved to Minnesota to become the Twins. The 1961 Washington Senators expansion team moved to Texas to become the Rangers.

And yes, there WAS a Senators NFL team...although they were short lived. I think I know what I'm talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Senators_(NFL)

I stand corrected about the MLB thing. I forgot that their were two teams.

The Senators played in the American Professional Football Association (APFA). The APFA became the National Football League (NFL) a year after the Senators stopped playing in the APFA. So, the Senators weren't in the NFL.

buttslinger
06-20-2014, 05:37 PM
And yes, there WAS a Senators NFL team...although they were short lived. I think I know what I'm talking about.



Yes, Sir, there WAS a Washington Senators NFL team!!!! You got me.
But, no, they (Redskins) should not call their team that.
It should be the PRINCE GEORGES GENOCIDE

Ben in LA
06-22-2014, 05:51 PM
Washington Pigskins. Use the Lombardi-era uniforms from 1970 (except change the R to a W and remove the feathers). Plus the fans are still called The Hogs, right? Problem solved.

Erika1487
06-28-2014, 02:20 AM
The Washington Redskins helped shape the modern NFL. I see no reason to change the name just to appease the politically correct crowd!!

buttslinger
06-28-2014, 05:26 AM
I bleed Burgundy & Gold, and like most fans I believe the 50 yard line in RFK Stadium is hallowed ground, but if you think about it long enough your conscience has to tell you if you were in an Indian's moccasins, that name is offensive.

To me, Braves on the Warpath, that's the Skins.

Art Monk and Darrell Green have come out saying the name should be changed, and I think once these kinds of problems keep coming up, it's good to be on the side of what's right. Those guys are righteous.

Still, cheering for the DC PCs is going to be tough.
Fuck Christine Brennan.

giovanni_hotel
07-20-2014, 02:49 PM
THe problem is every poll taken shows 75-90% of Native Americans don't find the name inherently offensive.

The woman who brought this lawsuit against the Redskins franchise lives on a reservation where the all-Native American HS football team calls themselves the REDSKINS.

This is all driven by political correctness and liberal guilt.

It's problematic when society at large is telling other minority groups what they should be offended by.

To me it would be the equivalent of banning album sales of rap artists who use the N-word in their lyrics.

Historically, Native Americans have called themselves 'redskins' and the name in 21st century America only has context as the name of a professional football team.

It's hard to say that it's a racial slur because it's not used to demean or insult Native Americans.

The U.S. Patent Office was right when they said the word could be seen as 'disparaging', but not derogatory or racially insensitive.

When the majority of a particular group says the word's okay, who are we to tell them they're too ignorant to know better??

HTTR

goatman
07-31-2014, 09:25 PM
If you must conceed, get one of the surviving local tribes(Potomacs, Accokeeks, Piscataways) to adopt/bless/sanction the team--like the Seminoles did with Florida State. (Can't believe I'm using Florida State to make a point because I HATE Florida State...but at least Maryland doesn't have to play them any more.)