Wake up, ladies and gentleman

[MrsKellyPierce]

A December report by the Centers for Disease Control says that an estimated 27 percent of transgender women are HIV positive, and that HIV prevalence for transgender women is nearly 50 times as high as for other adults.

In a New York City study, more than 90 percent of newly diagnosed trans women were African-American or Latino, and more than half were in their 20s.

But what accounts for these catastrophic numbers?

http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2014/01/08/op-ed-why-cdc%E2%80%99s-latest-hiv-report-so-alarming

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/transgender/

[fuzzunoisedk]

There should just be more focus on people using condoms. Its not that hard to pull Down over a dick or sex toy. Its not always the Man that need to say stop lets put on a rubber the she part in bed needs to demand it also and make it fun for the man to use. ( The nightclubs should also offers condoms at prices worth paying). Just saying that when you make it fun to use rubbers more people would do so. I also see alot of egoist Guys claim that they cant get hard using one. So many stupid excuses for not using it. Safe sex=use a condom.

[tsmirandameadows]

Do keep in mind that in most cities, if you're a young transwoman who has been stopped by the police, having condoms in your purse WILL be used as evidence against you for prostitution charges. Don't think for a second we don't get profiled.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Miranda seems to thing I'm judgmental as does Steven.

Good for them..

I stand by the fact when you are doing 4 to 5 clients today on top of a regular sex life with people you want to have sex with actually it heightens your risk to catch something. THAT'S FACT.

When you don't get tested and you go around sleeping like you are invincible it's a FACT you might catch something.

It's FACT..that many girls need tough love and guidance when it comes to their health/safety.

It's FACT...that many girls tour and many girls still work with AIDS..then this guy sees this girl and that girl..so it's CROSSED contamination.

That's just the facts.

I'm sorry...

I'm not going to suck up to girls.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I don't condone working with AIDS as an escort and yet many do.

I don't condone not getting tested on the regular. If you are having a sex life you should have this done!

I don't condone sugar coating the reality of LIFE and how many trans-girls act.

[TheExpert]

I don't condone working with AIDS as an escort and yet many do.

I don't condone not getting tested on the regular. If you are having a sex life you should have this done!

I don't condone sugar coating the reality of LIFE and how many trans-girls act.

Ive been saying this for a long time... Ever for hookers, TS girls take unacceptable risks... So its best to be a sport left for viewing, real TS sex is a dangerous affair...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Ive been saying this for a long time... Ever for hookers, TS girls take unacceptable risks... So its best to be a sport left for viewing, real TS sex is a dangerous affair...
Yes, I have joined a few groups on Facebook. I was just appalled by some girls. Some even saying you would actually expect me to quite escorting if I got aids? I don't think so. I'll just wear a condom. Then some girls knowing their friends have it and not telling the guy they are with. I was just in AWE..

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think instead of people trying to throw the judgment back on me they should use it to break the delusion and the realness of this conversation!

[youngblood61]

Yes, I have joined a few groups on Facebook. I was just appalled by some girls. Some even saying you would actually expect me to quite escorting if I got aids? I don't think so. I'll just wear a condom. Then some girls knowing their friends have it and not telling the guy they are with. I was just in AWE..That to me is murder.

[MrsKellyPierce]

That to me is murder.

They don't see it that way. They see it as their only way to survive and get their "transition goals".

[EvaCassini]

And those girls are fucking retarded.

I abhor ignorance and arrogance.

TheExpert...Real tgirl sex is no more dangerous than a random guy having a "one night" with a random GG.

For a reckless tgirl/gg/male escort, yes, the chances are much higher. Simply "fucking around" is ignorant, especially when drugs are involved. I know of a few girls who glorify the use of certain drugs together with escorting ( I.e. coke, heroin, crack ).

It is extremely sad when anyone increases their chances to catch a fatal disease, whether they know it or are oblivious to it.

[MrsKellyPierce]

And those girls are fucking retarded.

I abhor ignorance and arrogance.

TheExpert...Real tgirl sex is no more dangerous than a random guy having a "one night" with a random GG.

For a reckless tgirl/gg/male escort, yes, the chances are much higher. Simply "fucking around" is ignorant, especially when drugs are involved. I know of a few girls who glorify the use of certain drugs together with escorting ( I.e. coke, heroin, crack ).

It is extremely sad when anyone increases their chances to catch a fatal disease, whether they know it or are oblivious to it.Oh yes the drug thing is prevalent. I personally don't like how the transsexual industry make everything so glamorous. There are smart/caring ladies and then there are other ladies that are the bad apples.

[TheExpert]

And those girls are fucking retarded.
TheExpert...Real tgirl sex is no more dangerous than a random guy having a "one night" with a random GG.


30% of GGs has HIV? In fact TS sex is even more dangerous than gay sex, these girls have dozens of clients a week + random guys.

[MiaIsabella1985]

miranda seems to thing i'm judgmental as does steven.

Good for them..

I stand by the fact when you are doing 4 to 5 clients today on top of a regular sex life with people you want to have sex with actually it heightens your risk to catch something. That's fact.

When you don't get tested and you go around sleeping like you are invincible it's a fact you might catch something.

It's fact..that many girls need tough love and guidance when it comes to their health/safety.

It's fact...that many girls tour and many girls still work with aids..then this guy sees this girl and that girl..so it's crossed contamination.

That's just the facts.

I'm sorry...

I'm not going to suck up to girls.


amen!

[MrsKellyPierce]

By the way I apologize I am on my iPhone.

[talldudeil]

I would never go BB with anyone female or t woman, never. I can not cum with the condom on so I finish myself off or my partner does by hand. Would I prefer going BB and being able to cum , yes, but don't want to die doing it.

If you go BB for any length of time you will get aids, period. So do not do it. I have learned from age having gotten treatable STD's in the 70's. AIDS KILLS PERIOD. WHY DIE FOR SEX? It should be fun and happy.

[my my my!]

It is certainly alarming.

but do these percentages come from a majority of working girls?

Or do "stealth" Tgirls also regularly get HIV tests done even though they're not escorts?

Are the numbers of stealth tgirls proportional to the number of working tgirls?
for every one escort is there one stealth girl that does not live that risky lifestyle?

Being serious, not trying to insult.

[EvaCassini]

Oh yes the drug thing is prevalent. I personally don't like how the transsexual industry make everything so glamorous. There are smart/caring ladies and then there are other ladies that are the bad apples.

The girls I know of who fuck with their bodies with drugs and/or blackmarket procedures is sickening to me. A little pot is fine ( and I do not partake in any drug at all ), but come on...pot and porn does not make it ok to indulge in other drugs or other reckless activities, which will wreck a life.

As far as porn is concerned, I don't really actually see porn itself ( TS porn ) giving off an influence of drug glorification. It's the bad role models and the young dumb girls who make it that. Giving us and all of TS porn a bad look, and I do not like that. There is a huge difference between porn...and drugs.

I have noticed that the new cool fad nowadays is that "Dumb ( and doing Stupid things ) is cool". Dumb shit that means nothing, turns out to be the cool thing to do. I loathe it.


30% of GGs has HIV? In fact TS sex is even more dangerous than gay sex, these girls have dozens of clients a week + random guys.

The girls who perform escorting, who are reckless, unsafe, not tested, who use drugs are the girls giving all of us tgirls a bad name.

I didn't throw out numbers. I said, that anyone can catch anything from anyone, this includes GGs and guys.

If a girl who does escort, and is ignorant and arrogant about the shit she does, then her horrible outcome is the inevitable route. It's extremely sad and it should be handled better or even prevented.

Also, GG escorts see WAY more clients than TS's. Our niche is quite small and very closeted. GG escorting/prostitution IS MORE glorified in everything. You can't turn on the TV without seeing a promiscuous GG doing some type of sexual act on the shores of Jersey, or a cop show ( cuz now there are hundreds of them ) showing hookers and blow, and hookers doing blow and blowing some cock.

I do not own a TV and I am glad I don't. Because there is nothing of merit on it anymore. Kardashian worship, fake reality, Beiber vomiting on stage, hateful news, Duck fucks, Honey fucking boo boo, and Bill O'Reilly.

Yes, SEX SELLS. That's the business I am in and glad of it. But you don't see me doing drugs, fucking around, and catching diseases.

You see me being very safe, cautious, and I am always tested, and always negative in disease test results. I perform my job professionally and safely.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Oh I just think drugs play a big part in many transsexuals lives to dull the pain they feel.

[bluesoul]

I can not cum with the condom on so I finish myself off or my partner does by hand.

that's almost as good as celibacy

btw: "In a New York City study, more than 90 percent of newly diagnosed trans women were African-American or Latino"

those are crazy figures.

[MrsKellyPierce]

For the record I'm not condemning all escorts or most escorts. I have plenty of friends that escort and test regularly inside and outside the porn industry. They always use rubbers and are very professional ladies. The problem is the cross contamination. When guys are seeing the $20 girl on backpage, and then seeing the high priced girl when he has money. It's a dangerous game. We should be having this conversation! It shouldn't be brushed under the rug. These are real scary numbers that we as a community should face and talk about.

[MrsKellyPierce]

that's almost as good as celibacy

btw: "In a New York City study, more than 90 percent of newly diagnosed trans women were African-American or Latino"

those are crazy figures.cross contamination

[bluesoul]

cross contamination

so it's the chasers giving the girls hiv? it's no more the fault of the girls not using rubbers and using drugs?

[MrsKellyPierce]

so it's the chasers giving the girls hiv? it's no more the fault of the girls not using rubbers and using drugs?

I would say it's both sides dear. You can't blame just one side. There are plenty of men out there that are going on backpage taking the $20 deals and/or paying extra for bareback sex. I mean it's the community in general.

Many trans-women use men as well for self-esteem not just for cash. They will get on these dating sites hooking up as well as taking their regular clients. There is a bunch of poor behavior on both sides wouldn't you agree?

For the record I don't call men chasers. I don't even think most men fit the criteria of what a chaser would be in my mind. A chaser to me is someone that doesn't care what a girl looks like as long as she is hung and has a wig on. She doesn't even need to be transitioned. Just get her on his "list of accomplishments". Most men are just typical guys treating trans the same way they treat a woman sexually for gratification.

[fred41]

There are more GG's escorting, but biological realities make it much harder to catch HIV from a GG escort...why?...simply because a man having insertive vaginal sex with a GG escort is way less risky than a man having receptive sex with a TS escort. Anal receptive sex his THE riskiest sex act and that is exactly what a lot of clients seek from a TS escort...anal insertive would come in second place.
Clients should always wear condoms when seeing an escort if they want to be safe. I always used to say - when hobbying, mentally treat all escorts as if they are HIV+" ...and some of the girls on this site would think that I assumed that they were dirty and diseased, but that is NOT what I meant. If a client considers all girl to be HIV+ then he will protect himself accordingly...or not take the risk at all, as opposed to being reckless and then only blaming the girl when things go bad.



If you go BB for any length of time you will get aids, period. So do not do it. I have learned from age having gotten treatable STD's in the 70's. AIDS KILLS PERIOD. WHY DIE FOR SEX? It should be fun and happy.

I would like to think you didn't mean most of this in the literal sense - times have changed. You need to become HIV positive before you can get AIDS and if detected in time, you can now take better drugs than ever , to make sure it never progresses to AIDS...which , of course, also means that it isn't necessarily a death sentence any more. Many people can now live long lives even though they test positive.

If I had to , right at this moment, at my age, make a choice between Diabetes and HIV..I would pick HIV because my chances of survival and quality of life would be much higher. In my opinion.

[giovanni_hotel]

I really don't see how a TS...ESCORT...would let random men take her ass without a condom.

Nowadays even in a 'monogamous' relationship, before having unprotected sex BOTH partners should go to a local clinic and get tested.

What's shocking to me is how many johns are HIV+ for that many escorts to have AIDS.

We all love the feel of skin on skin, but damn let's be real about it. BB porn sex is a fantasy unless you're in a REAL relationship.

I hope it doesn't take a decade for the TS community to learn what the gay community learns in the 1980s.

Makes me wonder about some of the girls who no longer post on HA.

[lifeisfiction]

No one ever asks how the study was conducted, no ask how was the sample taken. All you have to do is call the CDC who never does the study themselves and ask how the study was taken and boom you will find you answer. Its never done well and people usually think it is.

[MrsKellyPierce]

^^ See this is what people do instead of spreading the awareness and scare of this they would rather not address the elephant in the room. That must be wrong. It can't be that much!

[MrsKellyPierce]

Even in women HIV is multiplying...it's winning..because people don't test, don't care, don't think it can happen to them, and want to be in this delusion!

[fred41]

What's shocking to me is how many johns are HIV+ for that many escorts to have AIDS.


Not necessarily, I believe many escorts, like most people, contract the virus from their lovers...though I would assume that many Johns are positive never the less.
But statistically it probably wouldn't take a lot of Johns to spread HIV...especially amongst a niche business. Look at any review thread and see how many providers a single client sometimes sees.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Many Johns are HIV positive as are many people in mainstream life that never get tested.I honestly am disappointed in America's advertising it's all about condoms less about testing.

And for the naysayers I posted the articles so you can contact the people who did the studies if you feel like they are wrong.

[fred41]

Even in women HIV is multiplying...it's winning..because people don't test, don't care, don't think it can happen to them, and want to be in this delusion!

The HIV numbers in women are slowly falling...though the numbers are disproportionately high in African American women


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/risk_women.pdf

[bluesoul]

There is a bunch of poor behavior on both sides wouldn't you agree?


i wouldn't know, but whatever it is, it's affecting african americans and latinos more

[MrsKellyPierce]

The HIV numbers in women are slowly falling...though the numbers are disproportionately high in African American women


http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/risk_women.pdf

Well that's good to hear I remember when those activist were on New York talking about the rise in women especially young women in their teens.

[youngblood61]

Both Blacks and Latinos need to hear the warnings. People are dying, protect yourself!

[nysprod]

Not necessarily, I believe many escorts, like most people, contract the virus from their lovers...though I would assume that many Johns are positive never the less.
But statistically it probably wouldn't take a lot of Johns to spread HIV...especially amongst a niche business. Look at any review thread and see how many providers a single client sometimes sees.

First, I believe maybe 25% of what I read here from guys talking about doing this or that escort...second, of the dedicated hobbyists, I've never seen one who said he had unprotected intercourse.

No, these girls are getting infected from the young thugs they find so attractive.

[nysprod]

Both Blacks and Latinos need to hear the warnings. People are dying, protect yourself!

Actually, it wouldn't shock me if there actually was much less fear about dying from aids given the drug regimens that are available now, which can drive viral loads down so low that HIV+ people who adhere to them won't even test positive.

[MrsKellyPierce]

^^ Yes that's what I keep hearing from a lot of girl's it's not that big of deal its like living with diabetes.

[darkrose2000]

It is sad to read this numbers, but the situation here in UK is not so much different...

[MrsKellyPierce]

If what you took from this thread oh it's just latina/black girls...I'm good otherwise..please wake up. That's just the highest percentage, plus there are a lot more black/latina transsexuals.

[nysprod]

^^ Yes that's what I keep hearing from a lot of girl's it's not that big of deal its like living with diabetes.

Magic Johnson has been HIV+ since the summer of 1991.

[fred41]

First, I believe maybe 25% of what I read here from guys talking about doing this or that escort...second, of the dedicated hobbyists, I've never seen one who said he had unprotected intercourse.

No, these girls are getting infected from the young thugs they find so attractive.

As I said...I believe many, if not most, get it from their boyfriends.

...but I'm sure there are hobbyists that would test positive, if they test at all. They may not run in your circles...or you may not know them, but...get real...your circle doesn't include the hobbyists that come from their own neighborhoods.
When I was getting it regularly, I would test, on average ...three times a year. Unfortunately...lots of people don't.

[fred41]

^^ Yes that's what I keep hearing from a lot of girl's it's not that big of deal its like living with diabetes.

Well, while I stated in one of my previous posts that I would rather have Diabetes...they are both a big deal. They would both involve lifestyle changes...well to me anyways.

[lifeisfiction]

If you take a look at the medical journals and scholarly articles and if anyone has access to jstor, you will find that a lot of these research tend to LGBT and particular the rates of transmission for LBGT minorities and there are many articles who point out the inaccuracy of some of the studies created by the CDC especially for LGBT.

Many times the research collected is design to go after a sample group and by doing so it tends to allow bias into the results. I am not saying that HIV is not a problem, but by not addressing accurately it delays find a way effective way to fight it. In fact most samples don't take into consideration that most escorts don't streetwalk in cities like New York, why because they lack knowledge on how escorting operates are based on poor information and old beliefs.

[LilyRox]

You have to remember many transgender women aren't documented legally. Obviously once they get HIV it's documented though. The statistics are much lower than this as most transgender women are under the radar, but these are just estimations.

[lifeisfiction]

You have to remember many transgender women aren't documented legally. Obviously once they get HIV it's documented though. The statistics are much lower than this as most transgender women are under the radar, but these are just estimations.

Thanks lily, especially when there is a large population of homeless transgender who were rejected from their home.

And lets not forget drug use which is sometimes the problem for transmission and not the sexual act itself a problem that is associated with more of environment than transgender.

[nysprod]

As I said...I believe many, if not most, get it from their boyfriends...but I'm sure there are hobbyists that would test positive, if they test at all.

No question there are HIV+ hobbyists but the probability is high the main form of transmission for trans girls are the guys they hang out with.

[robertlouis]

You have to remember many transgender women aren't documented legally. Obviously once they get HIV it's documented though. The statistics are much lower than this as most transgender women are under the radar, but these are just estimations.

Exactly Lily - just estimations. There is a problem, but arguing about the scale of it and extrapolating actions/causes isn't necessarily helpful as the evidence is factually pretty shaky and based on an unknown proportion of the total population of tgirls.

[maddygirl]

Because it's so hard to use a condom...

[fred41]

Because it's so hard to use a condom...

Apparently it is...look how many young girls still have unintended pregnancies.

[robertlouis]

Apparently it is...look how many young girls still have unintended pregnancies.

...for which a major contributory factor is the reluctance, often dogmatically driven, for those in authority to approve and provide mature and realistic sex education for the young.

[ed_jaxon]

Kelly is right and I applaud her for putting this out there.

It is hard to be responsible when you are horny but it needs to be done.

HIV and AIDs are fucked up but so are the other myriad diseases that you can catch fucking around.

It is not fun sitting in the clinic with the other Bozos waiting to get tested but you do it. And its not fun standing in line with the home HIV test and having the cashier ring you up but you do it to have some peace of mind.

At the Safe House people sometimes get down so there are condoms all over the fucking place, I go to the free clinic my damned self and fill a bag.

Recently we have been having a rep from Howard Brown coming out to the parties to offer free testing. Now we get it.....who wants to get tested at the party? But if someone thinks about it and then gets tested later because of the materials they see at the club, winner.

[buckjohnson]

I do not know many tg woman. But of the few woman I know exactly 50% have HIV. Of course the other 50% might not have been forthcoming, for various reasons, to announce to me their HIV status, so the ratio might be higher. Almost all told me they acquired HIV by being raped. When I wrote about the physical dangers of anal sex, I was mocked and called retarded by some of the prominent members of this site. This danger is why I would never have sex, protected or otherwise, with a TG.

[mrLemon]

ok, i'll add my pennies worth,
good thread, read through all posts and read statistics and though some were a bit odd, on the whole the message is clear, condoms, testing and education!!
yes I will put my hand up and say yes once, yes only once, I did go BB!!
but that was a while ago and have been tested recently, all ok. but apart from my one slip up, have always used them, even buying before I get to the escort! no, its not a problem wearing them, that small part covered up is nothing when the rest of the body is skin-on-skin!
another point, in UK whenever you have a blood test they check for HIV automatically

[MrsKellyPierce]

That's a great idea Ed on the Howard Brown! They do that in gay clubs all the time.

[GroobySteven]

I do not know many tg woman. But of the few woman I know exactly 50% have HIV. Of course the other 50% might not have been forthcoming, for various reasons, to announce to me their HIV status, so the ratio might be higher. Almost all told me they acquired HIV by being raped. When I wrote about the physical dangers of anal sex, I was mocked and called retarded by some of the prominent members of this site. This danger is why I would never have sex, protected or otherwise, with a TG.

It's little wonder people think you're retarded.

a) 50% of women you know have HIV.
b) This danger is why you would never have any form of sex with a TG.

:yayo:

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's little wonder people think you're retarded.

a) 50% of women you know have HIV.
b) This danger is why you would never have any form of sex with a TG.

:yayo:

I think he was trying to say out of half the trans-women he knows half have HIV and the other half don't. I could be wrong. lol

[GroobySteven]

I think he was trying to say out of half the trans-women he knows half have HIV and the other half don't. I could be wrong. lol


Ah ok. That would at least be coherent.

[talldudeil]

That is the entire point of this discussion if I am reading it right. People are not getting tested, get HIV, spread it and then it turns into AIDS. Can you live with AIDS, yes but not all and not if you don't ever get tested to know. Get tested and use a rubber.


There are more GG's escorting, but biological realities make it much harder to catch HIV from a GG escort...why?...simply because a man having insertive vaginal sex with a GG escort is way less risky than a man having receptive sex with a TS escort. Anal receptive sex his THE riskiest sex act and that is exactly what a lot of clients seek from a TS escort...anal insertive would come in second place.
Clients should always wear condoms when seeing an escort if they want to be safe. I always used to say - when hobbying, mentally treat all escorts as if they are HIV+" ...and some of the girls on this site would think that I assumed that they were dirty and diseased, but that is NOT what I meant. If a client considers all girl to be HIV+ then he will protect himself accordingly...or not take the risk at all, as opposed to being reckless and then only blaming the girl when things go bad.





I would like to think you didn't mean most of this in the literal sense - times have changed. You need to become HIV positive before you can get AIDS and if detected in time, you can now take better drugs than ever , to make sure it never progresses to AIDS...which , of course, also means that it isn't necessarily a death sentence any more. Many people can now live long lives even though they test positive.

If I had to , right at this moment, at my age, make a choice between Diabetes and HIV..I would pick HIV because my chances of survival and quality of life would be much higher. In my opinion.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Isn't this lovely...had several young girls say I was wrong that they should have to tell the client..as well as it's both their faults equally if a guy goes to an escort or sleeps with a transsexual that's the "risk" you take. No remorse..no oh that poor guy.

I even said well lets find you a hot HIV positive guy and you sleep with him would you? They didn't respond to that.

Guys and Girls just be careful...clients lie and escorts lie..

[philipsfrog]

By law you have to tell any one you are going to have sex with if you have a STD

[MrsKellyPierce]

This is true Philip, but it doesn't mean they are always caught.

Plus, think about how many people don't test.

Some think it's still a gay disease, whiles others are just too scared to go.

[amberskyi]

I really don't see how a TS...ESCORT...would let random men take her ass without a condom.

Nowadays even in a 'monogamous' relationship, before having unprotected sex BOTH partners should go to a local clinic and get tested.

What's shocking to me is how many johns are HIV+ for that many escorts to have AIDS.

We all love the feel of skin on skin, but damn let's be real about it. BB porn sex is a fantasy unless you're in a REAL relationship.

I hope it doesn't take a decade for the TS community to learn what the gay community learns in the 1980s.

Makes me wonder about some of the girls who no longer post on HA.

most are off living their lives,nothing lasts forever

[amberskyi]

If what you took from this thread oh it's just latina/black girls...I'm good otherwise..please wake up. That's just the highest percentage, plus there are a lot more black/latina transsexuals.

im super confused by this statement...will wait for clarification before i take my claws out

[amberskyi]

I do not know many tg woman. But of the few woman I know exactly 50% have HIV. Of course the other 50% might not have been forthcoming, for various reasons, to announce to me their HIV status, so the ratio might be higher. Almost all told me they acquired HIV by being raped. When I wrote about the physical dangers of anal sex, I was mocked and called retarded by some of the prominent members of this site. This danger is why I would never have sex, protected or otherwise, with a TG.

a service that the ts community applauds you for and wish you will keep doing..the not fucking us part i mean :)

[Rusty Eldora]

So the moral of this story is to A - use condoms always for the main event and B- see Pornstars that have been cleared to do filming.

[ed_jaxon]

What I think Kelly means by the results is that some could dismiss the results as being a disease of people of color which would be a horrible mistake. A mistake similar to those at the beginning who categorized the epidemic as a gay disease.

I am black and I consider the stats as a wake up call.

[Instrumental]

This is really tragic, HIV is entirely preventable so to see that people are so nonchalant about taking the precautions is shocking. But I guess if you're in a bad mind set and don't have regard for your life, maybe using a condom is the least of your worries. I don't know, I can't begin to get into that state of mind.

[MrsKellyPierce]

im super confused by this statement...will wait for clarification before i take my claws out

The studies show that the highest cases are in black/latin transsexuals.

Some guys were like I just wont see those girls then.

I was stating there is more latin/black transsexual in American, than white transsexuals etc.

As well as many come from oppression/broke homes etc..

I was stating why they shouldn't think that it is just a black/latin disease.

[TSLoverIB]

Magic Johnson has been HIV+ since the summer of 1991.
Yeh, And how bad are his orgins for the drug taking this long? currently there is so many articles about people with HIV not dying of HIV, they are dying of Liver failure, Liver Toxicities. The body can only handle so many drugs without cleanse. Also, ive read articles of Gay men from the 80's that have been living with HIV, but have died from anal cancers from the side effects of the drugs, etc, etc.


Actually, it wouldn't shock me if there actually was much less fear about dying from aids given the drug regimens that are available now, which can drive viral loads down so low that HIV+ people who adhere to them won't even test positive.
I do not think i would go off of that thinking, as stated above, yes the drugs will help to keep you healthy, but how long? really, no one knows.


By law you have to tell any one you are going to have sex with if you have a STD
This is true, if you did test positive, if you were never tested, that does not help.

I think all in all Kelly is right, test yourself, protect yourself. Be responsible, lets not even talk about the new cases of HIV that are mutating, or drug resistant.
I grew up in the 80's and remember people in school here one day gone the next.
Be safe people

[Stavros]

Most of us over the age of 30 are well aware, and each new generation needs to be made aware of the risks, but sex education is still a toxic subject in the UK, not sure about the USA. I think after the dominance of reportage on HIV/AIDS in the 1980s and 1990s, and the emergence of retroviral drugs, the intensity of press coverage has slipped and in the last ten years I think I read an article about bareback sex among gay men whose 'live fast, die young' attitude, and a complacent belief 'well they have drugs for it now' was contributing to both the wrong attitude to protection and a rise in new cases of infection. On top of that and the increase in cases of gonorrhea, chlamydia and herpes, the CDC report in Kelly's original post does highlight the fact that many transexuals live on the margins of society, are poorly educated, if at all, often deny they are transexual -making data collection difficult- and will not carry condoms around in case they are stopped and searched by law enforcement (in the USA). The situation among sex workers in popular tourist destinations such as Thailand and Brazil is even riskier with all categories. Too many worrying contributions to a problem that has not, and will not go away. Most of us over 30 are well aware of the situation, but each new generation must face it for the first time, and do the right thing.

[zimm66]

Kelly, I appreciate your perspective and I totally agree with you. There is some scary stuff going on and it is our responsibility to take care of ourselves and each other.

[christianxxx]

27 percent of all TS girls in America are HIV positive? that seems really really high. 1 in 4?

[robertlouis]

27 percent of all TS girls in America are HIV positive? that seems really really high. 1 in 4?

I agree, even if it's allegedly only girls in porn. As a percentage of the total mtf transsexual population it's probably way below that. But who knows? One thing that comes out of all this is that there is no fully reliable data.

[scroller]

I'm so glad that some yahoos on an internet porn forum spent 30 seconds to tell us not to pay attention to CDC reports because their study is questionable/sampling is flawed/numbers are unbelievable. Without any links or citations to back it up, of course. Thank goodness, I'm convinced.

[christianxxx]

no that can't be true...girls in porn would be much much lower. more frequent testing, more transparency, higher end of escorting arena (generally speaking).

[christianxxx]

scroller, the only thing I use as a cold hard fact from the CDC in terms of HIV is that if you want to catch HIV then receive an anal creampie, other than that the chances of catching HIV are much much much slimmer

[robertlouis]

no that can't be true...girls in porn would be much much lower. more frequent testing, more transparency, higher end of escorting arena (generally speaking).

You could be right, Christian, but I guess I'm reflecting my experience here in the UK where I know more tgirls who don't escort and aren't into porn than I know those who are. It might not be like that in the US, but there are plenty of trans girls, perhaps the majority, who hold down ordinary jobs and have ordinary lives. I wouldn't expect the HIV ratio among them to be significantly higher than the general population.

And again, there is no reliable data which addresses all the populations.

[christianxxx]

you are joking right? there are more TS escorts in London than maybe any westernized city in the world.

[robertlouis]

you are joking right? there are more TS escorts in London than maybe any westernized city in the world.

But London isn't the UK any more than LA is representative of the US as a whole. I'm talking about the country as a whole. And while I haven't lived in London for a long, long time, I know plenty of trans ladies there who don't and never have escorted and have relatively sober sex lives.

[fred41]

You could be right, Christian, but I guess I'm reflecting my experience here in the UK where I know more tgirls who don't escort and aren't into porn than I know those who are. It might not be like that in the US, but there are plenty of trans girls, perhaps the majority, who hold down ordinary jobs and have ordinary lives. I wouldn't expect the HIV ratio among them to be significantly higher than the general population.

And again, there is no reliable data which addresses all the populations.

Why wouldn't you expect the HIV ratio to be higher?
Anal receptive sex is the highest risk sexual act when it comes to HIV. Most experts agree on this.
Most TS are probably anal receptive (bottom) as far as personal sexual lifestyle is concerned...regardless whether they are escorts or airline pilots.
This fact alone would dictate that HIV percentage rates would be higher than GGs....assuming the percentages of condom use are about the same.
What they do or a living wouldn't necessarily change the percentages.
It's just biology.

[Prospero]

I do see a fair number of escorts in London and have hardly ever been offered bareback anal sex. I try to highlight it when I do hear about it. Anti retro viral drugs, in the UK are free on the NHS but still mean a compromised life and as I understand though prevent AIDS from developing if the required regime is adhered to still mean a long life may be foreshortened. When you are 18 or 22 that may seem unimportant but when you are over 40 it is likely to loom larger in your mind.

[robertlouis]

Why wouldn't you expect the HIV ratio to be higher?
Anal receptive sex is the highest risk sexual act when it comes to HIV. Most experts agree on this.
Most TS are probably anal receptive (bottom) as far as personal sexual lifestyle is concerned...regardless whether they are escorts or airline pilots.
This fact alone would dictate that HIV percentage rates would be higher than GGs....assuming the percentages of condom use are about the same.
What they do or a living wouldn't necessarily change the percentages.
It's just biology.

I wouldn't disagree with a lot of that, although I did say that I didn't expect it to be significantly higher, as most of the girls I know are relatively mature and also in monogamous relationships.

[SheWantsTheD]

A December report by the Centers for Disease Control says that an estimated 27 percent of transgender women are HIV positive, and that HIV prevalence for transgender women is nearly 50 times as high as for other adults.

In a New York City study, more than 90 percent of newly diagnosed trans women were African-American or Latino, and more than half were in their 20s.

But what accounts for these catastrophic numbers?

http://www.advocate.com/commentary/2014/01/08/op-ed-why-cdc%E2%80%99s-latest-hiv-report-so-alarming

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/transgender/
Lol what country is this? How can minorities make up 27%. Are they trying to say whites don't contract HIV? What a joke.

[LibertyHarkness]

you are joking right? there are more TS escorts in London than maybe any westernized city in the world.

Don't forget of which like 90percent are not English but infact Brazilian , Italian , Thai Etc. There is a tiny tiny amount of actual English transsexuals. And these vast numbers are mostly touring girls short stayers. Actual resident girls are much less .

[nysprod]

27 percent of all TS girls in America are HIV positive? that seems really really high. 1 in 4?

I haven't read the methodology of the report but his number has a very high probability of being statistically modeled aka estimated...many government reports do this i.e. the monthly report of the number of jobs that were created.

Think about it...is there any kind of "registry" were transgender people go to report their orientation? Of course not...therefore, how can anyone know the exact number of the transgender population?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I think guys as well as Christian are only thinking about sex.

Many transsexuals are drug ridden..Molly, Xanax, heroine, crack, meth, and the list goes on.

Girls themselves have told me they have had so many instances where they woke up and didn't remember where they are.

Girls use sex with men a lot of the time for self-esteem

Girls use drugs to forget their pain.

Many girls come from broken homes and oppression.

Girls are transitioning younger and younger, if you speak to them they believe using a condom is a cure all.

Girls also say many girls stay working after they are HIV positive because they have no other way to make money.

Girls will take that extra money to bare back.

Black men are known for being down low not only sleeping with transsexuals but also other men. They give many black women aids.

I can't believe people are comparing porn models who are mandated to test to what the study is showing of mainstream population not the porn industry!

You boys need to get the glamour out of your head.

Our community as a whole is being infected.

And there are more transgender people than a lot of you are accounting for not all of them are in porn!!!!

Transgender people in America have the lowest job rate.

Why do you think so many are in the industry in some form?

Escorting girls probably see 3 or more guys a day.

Then these girls also have a social life/sex life

A few escorts I spoke to said there is no doubt in their mind they slept with someone with HIV before, but what can you do other than wear a condom.

It's a risky lifestyle where everyone just asks are you safe?

Both clients and escorts have lied.

Cross contamination is going on

Drug using is going on

Promiscuity getting drunk/drugged forgetting to wrap up is going on.

America and it's endless media to wrap up and putting testing on the backburner is going on.

People who think aids isn't a big deal is going on "It's like living with diabetes."

There's a certain male pornstar that just contracted HIV hitting up trans girls right now satin the test was negative.

More and more pornstars are getting it too because of their curricular activity and many are crossovers that work in the gay industry where most companies are condom only no testing. One of their big company owners said if they tested half the gay pornstars wouldn't be working. Ricky Larkin said if one performer is positive they don't have to tell their scene partner in gay porn. Many gay performers after Rod Daily came out for having aids told Rod they'd still perform with him! The whole industry should be treated the same they don't even close down for moratoriums.

This is also why prostitution should be legalized so they can mandate it with testing!

HIV is winning because of poor choices and some don't feel they have any other choice.

That's the reality people.

Rather it's 27% or 13% it's a scary number for our community!

Wake up!

[nysprod]

I didn't make the "living with diabetes" comment but I did bring up that living with HIV is not the death sentence it once was.

The point I was trying to make is that since people are seeing those who are HIV+ living and not even apparently getting sick for decades, it may perversely lower the fear of contracting HIV, which potentially leads to unsafe practices.

[Stavros]

Lol what country is this? How can minorities make up 27%. Are they trying to say whites don't contract HIV? What a joke.

Kelly provides a link which is one click away and the CDC report makes it clear -it is 27% of the minority not that minorities are 27% of the population; I find it hard to believe that some posters are either unable or unwilling to read a few paragraphs of a report.

Here is an extract:

Because data for this population are not uniformly collected, information is lacking on how many transgender people in the United States are infected with HIV. However, data collected by local health departments and scientists studying these communities show high levels of HIV infection and racial/ethnic disparities.



In 2010, more than half of the HIV testing events among transgender people occurred at non-healthcare facilities (55.1%). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that the highest percentage of newly identified HIV-positive test results was among transgender people (2.1%). For comparison, the lowest percentages of newly identified HIV-positive test results were among females (0.4%), followed by males (1.2%). Among transgender people in 2010, the highest percentages of newly identified HIV-positive test results were among racial and ethnic minorities: blacks/African Americans comprised 4.1% of newly identified HIV-positive test results, followed by Latinos (3.0%), American Indians/Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiians/Other Pacific Islanders (both 2.0%), and whites (1.0%).
In New York City, from 2007-2011, there were 191 new diagnoses of HIV infection among transgender people, 99% of which were among transgender women. The racial/ethnic disparities were large: approximately 90% of transgender women newly diagnosed with HIV infection were blacks/African Americans or Latinos. Over half (52%) of newly diagnosed transgender women were in their twenties. Also, among newly diagnosed people, 51% of transgender women had documentation in their medical records of substance use, commercial sex work, homelessness, incarceration, and/or sexual abuse as compared with 31% of other people who were not transgender.
Findings from a meta-analysis of 29 published studies showed that 27.7% of transgender women tested positive for HIV infection (4 studies), but when testing was not part of the study, only 11.8% of transgender women self-reported having HIV (18 studies). In one study, 73% of the transgender women who tested HIV-positive were unaware of their status. Higher percentages of newly identified HIV-positive test results were found among black/African American transgender women (56.3%) than among white (16.7%) or Latino (16.1%) transgender women; and self-reported HIV infection in studies made up of predominantly of black/African American transgender women (30.8%) was higher than positivity reported in studies comprising mainly white transgender women (6.1%). Studies also indicate that black transgender women are more likely to become infected with HIV than non-black transgender women.
A review of studies of HIV infection in countries with data available for transgender people estimated that HIV prevalence for transgender women was nearly 50 times as high as for other adults of reproductive age.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Kelly provides a link which is one click away and the CDC report makes it clear -it is 27% of the minority not that minorities are 27% of the population; I find it hard to believe that some posters are either unable or unwilling to read a few paragraphs of a report.

Here is an extract:

Because data for this population are not uniformly collected, information is lacking on how many transgender people in the United States are infected with HIV. However, data collected by local health departments and scientists studying these communities show high levels of HIV infection and racial/ethnic disparities.



In 2010, more than half of the HIV testing events among transgender people occurred at non-healthcare facilities (55.1%). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that the highest percentage of newly identified HIV-positive test results was among transgender people (2.1%). For comparison, the lowest percentages of newly identified HIV-positive test results were among females (0.4%), followed by males (1.2%). Among transgender people in 2010, the highest percentages of newly identified HIV-positive test results were among racial and ethnic minorities: blacks/African Americans comprised 4.1% of newly identified HIV-positive test results, followed by Latinos (3.0%), American Indians/Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiians/Other Pacific Islanders (both 2.0%), and whites (1.0%).
In New York City, from 2007-2011, there were 191 new diagnoses of HIV infection among transgender people, 99% of which were among transgender women. The racial/ethnic disparities were large: approximately 90% of transgender women newly diagnosed with HIV infection were blacks/African Americans or Latinos. Over half (52%) of newly diagnosed transgender women were in their twenties. Also, among newly diagnosed people, 51% of transgender women had documentation in their medical records of substance use, commercial sex work, homelessness, incarceration, and/or sexual abuse as compared with 31% of other people who were not transgender.
Findings from a meta-analysis of 29 published studies showed that 27.7% of transgender women tested positive for HIV infection (4 studies), but when testing was not part of the study, only 11.8% of transgender women self-reported having HIV (18 studies). In one study, 73% of the transgender women who tested HIV-positive were unaware of their status. Higher percentages of newly identified HIV-positive test results were found among black/African American transgender women (56.3%) than among white (16.7%) or Latino (16.1%) transgender women; and self-reported HIV infection in studies made up of predominantly of black/African American transgender women (30.8%) was higher than positivity reported in studies comprising mainly white transgender women (6.1%). Studies also indicate that black transgender women are more likely to become infected with HIV than non-black transgender women.
A review of studies of HIV infection in countries with data available for transgender people estimated that HIV prevalence for transgender women was nearly 50 times as high as for other adults of reproductive age.

Thank you Stavros..I know most just want to read the cliff notes

[amberskyi]

I think guys as well as Christian are only thinking about sex.

Many transsexuals are drug ridden..Molly, Xanax, heroine, crack, meth, and the list goes on.

Girls themselves have told me they have had so many instances where they woke up and didn't remember where they are.

Girls use sex with men a lot of the time for self-esteem

Girls use drugs to forget their pain.

Many girls come from broken homes and oppression.

Girls are transitioning younger and younger, if you speak to them they believe using a condom is a cure all.

Girls also say many girls stay working after they are HIV positive because they have no other way to make money.

Girls will take that extra money to bare back.

Black men are known for being down low not only sleeping with transsexuals but also other men. They give many black women aids.

I can't believe people are comparing porn models who are mandated to test to what the study is showing of mainstream population not the porn industry!

You boys need to get the glamour out of your head.

Our community as a whole is being infected.

And there are more transgender people than a lot of you are accounting for not all of them are in porn!!!!

Transgender people in America have the lowest job rate.

Why do you think so many are in the industry in some form?

Escorting girls probably see 3 or more guys a day.

Then these girls also have a social life/sex life

A few escorts I spoke to said there is no doubt in their mind they slept with someone with HIV before, but what can you do other than wear a condom.

It's a risky lifestyle where everyone just asks are you safe?

Both clients and escorts have lied.

Cross contamination is going on

Drug using is going on

Promiscuity getting drunk/drugged forgetting to wrap up is going on.

America and it's endless media to wrap up and putting testing on the backburner is going on.

People who think aids isn't a big deal is going on "It's like living with diabetes."

There's a certain male pornstar that just contracted HIV hitting up trans girls right now satin the test was negative.

More and more pornstars are getting it too because of their curricular activity and many are crossovers that work in the gay industry where most companies are condom only no testing. One of their big company owners said if they tested half the gay pornstars wouldn't be working. Ricky Larkin said if one performer is positive they don't have to tell their scene partner in gay porn. Many gay performers after Rod Daily came out for having aids told Rod they'd still perform with him! The whole industry should be treated the same they don't even close down for moratoriums.

This is also why prostitution should be legalized so they can mandate it with testing!

HIV is winning because of poor choices and some don't feel they have any other choice.

That's the reality people.

Rather it's 27% or 13% it's a scary number for our community!

Wake up!

i want to be nice to you because you seem pretty cool most of the time and than you say fucking retarded shit like this

[SheWantsTheD]

Don't forget of which like 90percent are not English but infact Brazilian , Italian , Thai Etc. There is a tiny tiny amount of actual English transsexuals. And these vast numbers are mostly touring girls short stayers. Actual resident girls are much less .

Maybe but there are alot alot of actual english tvs and cds.

[MrsKellyPierce]

i want to be nice to you because you seem pretty cool most of the time and than you say fucking retarded shit like this

Amber it's a fact..look up statistics.

[LibertyHarkness]

Maybe but there are alot alot of actual english tvs and cds.

But we are not talking about men playing dress up .. we are talking about actual Real Transsexuals .. May as well put TV/CD in with Gay men then on that basis .

[Tapatio]

[QUOTE=LibertyHarkness;1439814]But we are not talking about men playing dress up .. we are talking about actual Real Transsexuals .. /QUOTE]

Important distinction, regardless the issue.

On topic, if I may:

The stats Kelly cited are horrifying and, while I haven't checked them all for myself, are echoed in my private relationships with a few girls.

Horrifying that, for many girls, there seems to be no other choice than a life of these dangers.

I find it hard to believe black guys are more "down low" than white guys, though. It seems almost every fetish story about stuff like this is some white dude:

He wants to wear panties, ride his wife's dildo and suck off her co-workers, receive a face full of cum and have snapshots taken for blackmail. He wants to be taken to a glory hole and forced to service every cheesy cock that comes through the wall- happy anniversary, dear! And let's not mention the guys who are "business travel gay."

Maybe they just talk about it more, Idk.

[MrsKellyPierce]

[QUOTE=LibertyHarkness;1439814]But we are not talking about men playing dress up .. we are talking about actual Real Transsexuals .. /QUOTE]

Important distinction, regardless the issue.

On topic, if I may:

The stats Kelly cited are horrifying and, while I haven't checked them all for myself, are echoed in my private relationships with a few girls.

Horrifying that, for many girls, there seems to be no other choice than a life of these dangers.

I find it hard to believe black guys are more "down low" than white guys, though. It seems almost every fetish story about stuff like this is some white dude:

He wants to wear panties, ride his wife's dildo and suck off her co-workers, receive a face full of cum and have snapshots taken for blackmail. He wants to be taken to a glory hole and forced to service every cheesy cock that comes through the wall- happy anniversary, dear! And let's not mention the guys who are "business travel gay."

Maybe they just talk about it more, Idk.
They do talk about it more...The black community as a whole expect hyper-masculinity or you aren't a man.

As well as if people think it's the women being downlow it's not it's the men. Then they go home to their women and have sex with no condom infecting them.

[ed_jaxon]

Kelly that's a stereotype perpetuated by the media. Black guys are not anymore in the closet than others.

[christianxxx]

defending stereotypes is fucking hilarious

[GroobySteven]

i want to be nice to you because you seem pretty cool most of the time and than you say fucking retarded shit like this


I absolutely agree.
This whole thread is Kelly's crying out for attention (again).

[Jamie French]

Yeah, 13% of all statistics are actually made up.

Seriously. I'm an escort, work in porn the whole bit... I've known more TS than I've known Asian people of any gender, I walk the walk and I see first hand what my subset of peers actually go through, how we live. We aren't anywhere near as exciting and colorful as Kelly's stats and comments seem to suggest. Living life this way is hardly the crime drama character outline that Kelly is posting about.

Be a hooker for a little bit, then get back to me.

[MrsKellyPierce]

It's not stero-types there are numbers let me start posting numbers for you

I gave you all the the numbers on the transsexual stats - stavros gave you the breakdown..

Instead you live in delusional land

And I love Steven being a business owner in porn you are so nonchalant on the statistics..nor do I think it's crying for attention warning men how many escorts feel when it comes to working with HIV..when I've spoken to them myself. I posted quotes from them..some even said they had friends that do work while having HIV..so again tell me how that's looking for attention and not warning people to be careful..yawn..

If you go on youtube there are women complaining about downlow guys all day long..not media..real women

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html

[mrwaxler]

Ah hem, remember how Aids was first spread???

BY DOWN LOW WHITE MEN..........

[mrwaxler]

It's not stero-types there are numbers let me start posting numbers for you

I gave you all the the numbers on the transsexual stats - stavros gave you the breakdown..

Instead you live in delusional land

And I love Steven being a business owner in porn you are so nonchalant on the statistics..nor do I think it's crying for attention warning men how many escorts feel when it comes to working with HIV..when I've spoken to them myself. I posted quotes from them..some even said they had friends that do work while having HIV..so again tell me how that's looking for attention and not warning people to be careful..yawn..

If you go on youtube there are women complaining about downlow guys all day long..not media..real women

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html

White down low men in the 80's are the originators of down low aids infestation, pleae educate your self.

[mrwaxler]

For those who want this to be a racial issue , there are over 435,000 whites living with Aids in the USA according to the CDC. This is not a racial issue, this a health issue.

Wear condoms, or just abstane wtf. what type of idiot screws a prostitute tg or gg bare back??? I cannot believe the ignorance in this thread, I won;t let a college coed blow me with no condom let alone a sex worker,some people are just fucking nuts.

[MrsKellyPierce]

For those who want this to be a racial issue , there are over 435,000 whites living with Aids in the USA according to the CDC. This is not a racial issue, this a health issue.

Wear condoms, or just abstane wtf. what type of idiot screws a prostitute tg or gg bare back??? I cannot believe the ignorance in this thread, I won;t let a college coed blow me with no condom let alone a sex worker,some people are just fucking nuts.

Oh no condoms are the save all don't you know?

[MrsKellyPierce]

White down low men in the 80's are the originators of down low aids infestation, pleae educate your self.

back to it's a "gay disease"

[mrwaxler]

It's not stero-types there are numbers let me start posting numbers for you

I gave you all the the numbers on the transsexual stats - stavros gave you the breakdown..

Instead you live in delusional land

And I love Steven being a business owner in porn you are so nonchalant on the statistics..nor do I think it's crying for attention warning men how many escorts feel when it comes to working with HIV..when I've spoken to them myself. I posted quotes from them..some even said they had friends that do work while having HIV..so again tell me how that's looking for attention and not warning people to be careful..yawn..

If you go on youtube there are women complaining about downlow guys all day long..not media..real women

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html


I think guys as well as Christian are only thinking about sex.

Many transsexuals are drug ridden..Molly, Xanax, heroine, crack, meth, and the list goes on.

Girls themselves have told me they have had so many instances where they woke up and didn't remember where they are.

Girls use sex with men a lot of the time for self-esteem

Girls use drugs to forget their pain.

Many girls come from broken homes and oppression.

Girls are transitioning younger and younger, if you speak to them they believe using a condom is a cure all.

Girls also say many girls stay working after they are HIV positive because they have no other way to make money.

Girls will take that extra money to bare back.

Black men are known for being down low not only sleeping with transsexuals but also other men. They give many black women aids.

I can't believe people are comparing porn models who are mandated to test to what the study is showing of mainstream population not the porn industry!

You boys need to get the glamour out of your head.

Our community as a whole is being infected.

And there are more transgender people than a lot of you are accounting for not all of them are in porn!!!!

Transgender people in America have the lowest job rate.

Why do you think so many are in the industry in some form?

Escorting girls probably see 3 or more guys a day.

Then these girls also have a social life/sex life

A few escorts I spoke to said there is no doubt in their mind they slept with someone with HIV before, but what can you do other than wear a condom.

It's a risky lifestyle where everyone just asks are you safe?

Both clients and escorts have lied.

Cross contamination is going on

Drug using is going on

Promiscuity getting drunk/drugged forgetting to wrap up is going on.

America and it's endless media to wrap up and putting testing on the backburner is going on.

People who think aids isn't a big deal is going on "It's like living with diabetes."

There's a certain male pornstar that just contracted HIV hitting up trans girls right now satin the test was negative.

More and more pornstars are getting it too because of their curricular activity and many are crossovers that work in the gay industry where most companies are condom only no testing. One of their big company owners said if they tested half the gay pornstars wouldn't be working. Ricky Larkin said if one performer is positive they don't have to tell their scene partner in gay porn. Many gay performers after Rod Daily came out for having aids told Rod they'd still perform with him! The whole industry should be treated the same they don't even close down for moratoriums.

This is also why prostitution should be legalized so they can mandate it with testing!

HIV is winning because of poor choices and some don't feel they have any other choice.

That's the reality people.

Rather it's 27% or 13% it's a scary number for our community!

Wake up!

Idiotic non-sense you speak, there are closet gays in all races. You sound very silly and stupid,are you able to think or do you repeat what ever they racist media tells you?

Aids was considered a gay white male disease in the 1980's when the epidemic spread. There were plenty of closeted gay men in the 80s,white men also slept with black women in the 80s (you know that TV show scandal is based on a true story?) so how did AIDS really get spread to blacks??? Answer: By down low,and openly gay white males? possibly...

Black women as well as all other women get HIV from promiscuous sex,drug use,prostitution,down low men,and oh yeah women spread aids to men as well.

Kelly know what you are talking about before you talk.

[mrwaxler]

Oh no condoms are the save all don't you know?

No, as I said abstain,condoms break and leak. But if used correctly they prevent HIv and other stds,as we all should know.

[mrwaxler]

back to it's a "gay disease"

No it is a human disease , that is still more prevelant amongst gay men, wear a damn rubber weather gay or staight. You are trying to distract from my point. you are the one that attempted to blame aids oon "down low black men", i am just pointing out the facts.

[mrwaxler]

It's not stero-types there are numbers let me start posting numbers for you

I gave you all the the numbers on the transsexual stats - stavros gave you the breakdown..

Instead you live in delusional land

And I love Steven being a business owner in porn you are so nonchalant on the statistics..nor do I think it's crying for attention warning men how many escorts feel when it comes to working with HIV..when I've spoken to them myself. I posted quotes from them..some even said they had friends that do work while having HIV..so again tell me how that's looking for attention and not warning people to be careful..yawn..

If you go on youtube there are women complaining about downlow guys all day long..not media..real women

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html

Again lets talk about the facts , this doctor explains the Back male Down Low Myth,....


http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/7-Myths-About-Contracting-HIV/2
. Down-low men are bringing HIV into the heterosexual community.

Dr. Spencer: There's a myth about the down-low male being responsible for the large number of cases of HIV in the heterosexual community, particularly in the African-American community. This is a man who has sex with both men and women and is usually in a stable relationship with a woman, maybe a wife or a longtime girlfriend. Studies have shown that these men actually only account for a rather small percentage of HIV infection in the African-American community. By far, the majority of women are getting infected by men who are heterosexual and either unaware of their HIV status, have multiple partners, are using injection drugs or engaging in other high-risk behaviors.

5. HIV only affects the African-American community.

Dr. Spencer: HIV is affecting all women—women of all races, background and educational levels. It is true that HIV disproportionately affects women of color. African-American/black and Latina women make up only 25 percent of the U.S. population, yet they account from more than 80 percent of the new HIV/AIDS cases. In fact, HIV/AIDS is the leading cause of death for African-American/black women ages 25 to 34. However, HIV is seen in all communities and can affect you. Of all new cases of HIV among women, black women accounted for 61 percent, Latina women accounted for 17 percent and white women accounted for 15 percent.

For this reason, all women should be knowledgeable about HIV, know how to protect themselves, use condoms and ask their partners about testing. Everyone should be tested, as the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) recommends. If you're high risk, get tested at least yearly. Pregnant women should be tested at the beginning of the pregnancy and consider retesting near the time of delivery. People who are in a relationship with someone who is HIV infected should use condoms and be tested every six months.

Read more: http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/7-Myths-About-Contracting-HIV/2#ixzz2qGPFpp9E

[GroobySteven]

And I love Steven being a business owner in porn you are so nonchalant on the statistics..nor do I think it's crying for attention warning men how many escorts feel when it comes to working with HIV..when I've spoken to them myself. I posted quotes from them..some even said they had friends that do work while having HIV..so again tell me how that's looking for attention and not warning people to be careful..yawn..


Brilliant. You're not even in the industry Kelly.
Nonchalant? I'm one of the few producers who pushes condoms and safety in porn and supports condom use, you can look back on my many, many years of publicizing this, well before the recent scares. I'm active in the adult industry, against unsafe sex for ANYBODY, not just porn workers - despite the negative feedback I've had on this. This is only one of the reasons we've earned the respect we have.
I've also spent 3 years as an auxilliary nurse working with people in the last throes of AIDS (in the 90's) so I'm fairly confident on how bad the virus can be.

You on the other hand, are just an attention whore and an embarrassment. It's nothing new, you've always done it, whether for marketing purposes or just for attention (I'd say it's the attention). Let's face it, your pretty much as dumb as a pile of bricks - but it still doesn't stop you spouting of a few googled statistics in aid of trying to promote some book you're trying to self-publish.
Take it elsewhere Kelly - or pay the advertisement fees that everyone else has to pay to shamelessly promote themselves, because this is all that's going on here. Dull, boring, in-educated and low-class self-promotion.
FACT.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Steven sweetie if I'm not in the industry I wouldn't be nominated for AVN..I didn't have a PR team pushing me..I'm a real performer..who built her brand..I relied on ME...

I don't choose to work for companies, because either

A) their photo quality sucks
B) They don't pay well enough
C) I am working on a website and want them to come to my site not others especially when companies have lowered their pay because of the "economy".
D) I can pick and choose who I work for because I make good money! Don't even bring up ShemaleClub that's because of a personal fight. I am working for Evil Angel and Nica Noelle this year. She wanted me to work for her last year. That pay for my flight, pay me well, and treat me well.

I make loads of money off my white label and I make loads of money off my cam studio. So please don't try to invalidate me. I am not one of the girls that have to buy followers on twitter or need to rely on photoshoots of 800 dollars to survive.People actually listen to me when I speak and follow me. My Klout score and the list goes on can prove so. My blog following can prove that. I don't need attention from this board. I can sit on my twitter, write in my blog, or sit on cam for all the attention I supposedly need. I don't sit on this site....I post when I feel like it, and I thought it was important! Frankly this site used to have personality and it has really gone down hill.

I posted the article and what girls were telling me, because I actually care about people, especially some of the guys on this board I have had the pleasure of getting to know that frequent ts escorts in LA that are working with AIDS. I did the same thing to TJ Cummings when he was trying to text/get with girls after the fact he contracted the virus. I thought the awareness was needed to be talked about! I worry about the men that go home to their unsuspecting wife and children. I have known women who have gotten it due to this. So just like suicide is personal to me, because of Bridget that was my friend from this board killed herself so is this.

Nor did I ever bring up the fact of your safety tactics in our industry! I am the first one to tell the straight industry how the transsexual industry work and have won over many people (girls who were against transsexuals as well) that now want to shoot for me for my site or work with me on cam. I was talking about you being so nonchalant about it, because of the non-industry girls that aren't being mandated to test. I said I believe that prostitution should be legal so it can be mandated just like the adult industry. You on the hand have an online temper and show your "internet" balls every time you get a chance. I know how you are in person and this certainly isn't you. However you may see it attention or not my dear transsexuals are DYING..my community..MY SISTERS..it's personal to me. I try to educate the young girls of what can happen, because many NEED that wake up call and mother in their lives. This is the true fact of the matter..everywhere else I was praised for bringing up this conversation. Here because there are escorts/business owners it will scare off sales and people who want to be delusional I was attacked.

[MrsKellyPierce]

By the way CDC Centers for disease control is not "GOOGLE" it isn't even "OPRAH" like one guy used as an example in this thread.

http://www.cdc.gov/

It is a government website! IN MY COUNTRY.

[GroobySteven]

You on the hand have an online temper and show your "internet" balls every time you get a chance. I know how you are in person and this certainly isn't you. However you may see it attention or not my dear transsexuals are DYING..my community..MY SISTERS..it's personal to me. I try to educate the young girls of what can happen, because many NEED that wake up call and mother in their lives. This is the true fact of the matter..everywhere else I was praised for bringing up this conversation. Here because there are escorts/business owners it will scare off sales and people who want to be delusional I was attacked.


It's not a temper Kelly. It's just smelling through the online bullshit and that, I'm very very good at.
I don't see this thread or the other you've just started as being anything other than the shameless promotion of Kelly. I did state something incorrect in last nights post, which was about your intelligence which wasn't quite correct, you're obviously intelligent enough to market yourself and have people believe it's more than just that.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Well I'm glad you recognize my "intelligence"

How about your recognize being hypocritical...

You make just as many posts to bring attention back to you and your brand.

Not that this thread was about that for me.

So when you want to point fingers..you should try doing so at yourself sweetheart.

I still love you either way.

[GroobySteven]

You make just as many posts to bring attention back to you and your brand.


Of course I do!!! That's the reason I'm here and the reason I've always been here.

[amberskyi]

Amber it's a fact..look up statistics.

what i know is that most of my clients of any race are married and sure as hell not honest with their partners about seeing trans escorts.
no single race is more inclined to be a lying, cheating dog.
you sound silly

[amberskyi]

It's not stero-types there are numbers let me start posting numbers for you

I gave you all the the numbers on the transsexual stats - stavros gave you the breakdown..

Instead you live in delusional land

And I love Steven being a business owner in porn you are so nonchalant on the statistics..nor do I think it's crying for attention warning men how many escorts feel when it comes to working with HIV..when I've spoken to them myself. I posted quotes from them..some even said they had friends that do work while having HIV..so again tell me how that's looking for attention and not warning people to be careful..yawn..

If you go on youtube there are women complaining about downlow guys all day long..not media..real women

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html

cause its on youtube it just has to be true lmaaoooo

[runningdownthatdream]

Kelly Shore is sounding more and more like the Elizabeth Hasselbeck of HA.......even starting to look a little like her.....

[mrwaxler]

By the way CDC Centers for disease control is not "GOOGLE" it isn't even "OPRAH" like one guy used as an example in this thread.

http://www.cdc.gov/

It is a government website! IN MY COUNTRY.

yeah that doctor on Oprah was from the CDC lol.