Men who are attracted to transgendered women- Straight, bi, gay?

[jockboy]

I've been with both TS and women in my life. They all have different opinions on the topic. Some women have told me I'm bi and transgendered women have called me everything from straight, bi, and gay. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts.

[my my my!]

Men who are attracted to women, and only women are straight.
A transsexual woman is a woman.

A man who is attracted to cock, no matter what it is attached to, is a cockhound. and is closer to gay, and bisexual. if they like pussy that is.

So, ask yourself, in your transsexual partner, how important to you is it that she has a cock, that it functions, or she lets you pleasure her?

If you get offended that a TS does not get hard, then you're probably just after the cock.

[EvaCassini]

"Am I gay/straight/bi/pan/assexual?"

Does. It. Really. Matter?

[maxpower]

Ah, this old chestnut again.

[lordworm]

Who cares? What would you call someone who likes ggs/tgs and finds tg penises nice but doesn't want it in their ass or mouth?

I know, someone who doesn't give a fuck.

[jockboy]

I completely agree, who cares? But was just wondering what other peoples thoughts were. I honestly don't care and don't see the need to put someone/everyone into a specific sexual group. Just was wondering....

[lg775n]

Human beings?

[bluesoul]

I've been with both TS and women in my life. They all have different opinions on the topic. Some women have told me I'm bi and transgendered women have called me everything from straight, bi, and gay. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts.

you're gay. but that's actually good news

[LilyRox]

Guys that only like girls and ts girls are straight, not even bi.

[CaptainPlanet]

The publics perception will remain the same unfortunately. So you have to ignore that and live your life.

[LilyRox]

Doesn't seem gay to me

[Ms.Stepford]

Jesus Fuck. This thread again?

It should be stickied, and auto-bannable to post a new one.

[LilyRox]

Jesus Fuck. This thread again?

It should be stickied, and auto-bannable to post a new one.

It's like trying to solve the da vinci code.

[tsadriana]

I think the ones who moan alot about their sexual identity they are the ones who are scarred of themself..I think this thread is with the number thounsands on here and still plenty to come..Doesnt matter what you are ,just fuck and go like pay as you go.imao.

[Ms.Stepford]

I'm not familiar. Did they have to do that over and over without getting anywhere?

[flabbybody]

this thread is like the Twilight Zone episode where the woman is driving from New York to California. No matter how many exits she passes she keeps seeing the same hitch hiker on the side of the road. She thinks she is slowly going insane. Of course we discover the woman had died in a car crash at the beginning of her journey and the ubiquitous man thumbing a ride was none other than The Grim Reaper, summoning her to the hereafter.
Rod Serling framed this theme for many different stories. He was a genius.
But yet another Am I gay thread doesn't quite cut it.

[LilyRox]

I'm not familiar. Did they have to do that over and over without getting anywhere?

Yes, for better reference this question is equivalent to asking "What does the fox say?"

(I'd like to think he dings)

Ylvis - The Fox (What Does the Fox Say?) [Official music video HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE)

[bte]

Bisexual. Love transwomen but they identify their gender has being female, but their sex is male. But in the end what does it matter.

[maxpower]

Will It Go Round In Circles - Billy Preston (1972) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ge9f_ui7LQ)

[Troy Synkro]

TGirls are women. How can you be gay if you like women?

[pariahsan]

Women don't have dicks.

Somebody with a dick is a man.

And there is nothing wrong with being attracted to, and wanting to, have sex with a transgendered person.

But don't think for a minute that you're straight.

Once you leave the labels behind, you'll have a much easier time with your sexual identity.

[Ms.Stepford]

Women don't have dicks.

Somebody with a dick is a man.


Sounds like someone's playing by the old rules...

[Troy Synkro]

Women don't have dicks.

Somebody with a dick is a man.

And there is nothing wrong with being attracted to, and wanting to, have sex with a transgendered person.

But don't think for a minute that you're straight.

Once you leave the labels behind, you'll have a much easier time with your sexual identity.

Obviously, there are way more facets to gender and gender identity than your simple mind could comprehend.

So if you took a TS or TG girl on a date, you would refer to her as a man?

I don't think so.

[lordworm]

Women don't have dicks.

Somebody with a dick is a man.

And there is nothing wrong with being attracted to, and wanting to, have sex with a transgendered person.

But don't think for a minute that you're straight.

Once you leave the labels behind, you'll have a much easier time with your sexual identity.

So Buck Wild is a girl? lol

[LilyRox]

Buck Angel is so badass. Without a doubt in my mind he's a guy and I'm a girl.

[Jackal]

Women don't have dicks.

Somebody with a dick is a man.

And there is nothing wrong with being attracted to, and wanting to, have sex with a transgendered person.

But don't think for a minute that you're straight.

Once you leave the labels behind, you'll have a much easier time with your sexual identity.

Some women have penises and some men have vulvae and vaginas. Get over it!

[Michelle Firestone]

Who cares? Have sex.

[STARTUP999]

Who cares? Have sex.

That is kind of where I am with it too.

[giovanni_hotel]

The right term nowadays is 'queer'.

That's what an Aussie straight chick called me recently.
It's the catchall phrase for everyone with grey area sexuality.

[gaysian71]

There is a simple answer here. Just go to church and ask your priest, minister, pastor, rabbi or whatever. He will give you the answer ;)

[STARTUP999]

Guys that only like girls and ts girls are straight, not even bi.

Lilly I think even in the TG community this is not agreed upon. I have been with TG providers who say I am bi or even gay because I enjoy going down on them. If the girls can't agree on this how are we dumb chasers supposed to know?

I agree with Michelle though "just have sex". There will be time for homophobic navel gazing in the morning.

[LilyRox]

Lilly I think even in the TG community this is not agreed upon. I have been with TG providers who say I am bi or even gay because I enjoy going down on them. If the girls can't agree on this how are we dumb chasers supposed to know?

I agree with Michelle though "just have sex". There will be time for homophobic navel gazing in the morning.

I'm not sure what a "TG provider" is, but it's not surprising they would call you bi or gay. Coming from me you're straight, unless you only like cock or like boys. Just because someone labels you something doesn't mean it's accurate.

[fred41]

There is no right answer to this because it's different for each individual. You would think that people on this site would realize at this point that it's a sliding scale. Some guys that like GG's and Transsexuals may be straight or straight with a strong fetish, while others may tip more to the Bisexual part of the scale. Some folks might say that because transsexuals are women... that guys that lust for them must be straight...but some transsexuals are so early on in their transition that the ONLY way you know they are TS is because they tell you and that's what some of the members prefer...there is often nothing at that point that differentiates them physically from a CD or very effeminate male...so what to make of that?
I believe that it's not wrong to say some are relatively straight...and some are bisexual. I think everyone at some point figures this out for themselves...don't let someone who's opinion isn't any more valuable than your own foist it upon you...especially since very few of the members here are psychologists...and even they're not all very certain on the subject.
Best thing to do is not worry about it...you can't change it anyway...only deny it , and that's never very healthy.
Just Fuck and be happy.

[fivekatz]

1. How original, are the men who like TS gay or bi?

2. As others have said who cares.

[MHarrigan82]

I have been on this site for over 2 years plus and this same type of thread has come up at least 50 times. Please if you have a new thread just search it to make sure it is not the same one we have seen for the thousand time. I am sexually attracted to gg and tg. I guess that makes you bisexual that is how I look at.

http://tejashiremani.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/captain-picard-facepalm-meme.jpg

[nysprod]

I have been on this site for over 2 years plus and this same type of thread has come up at least 50 times. Please if you have a new thread just search it to make sure it is not the same one we have seen for the thousand time. I am sexually attracted to gg and tg. I guess that makes you bisexual that is how I look at.


Life sucks, then you die...straight, bi, gay...doesn't matter.

[Jackal]

The key and obvious point to remember is that tgirls are not guys. Cisgender women and transwomen are both women. If you have attracted to them and not guys, you are straight. If you are attracted to women (cis or trans) as well as guys, then you are bisexual. That's the basics.

[LilyRox]

The key and obvious point to remember is that tgirls are not guys. Cisgender women and transwomen are both women. If you have attracted to them and not guys, you are straight. If you are attracted to women (cis or trans) as well as guys, then you are bisexual. That's the basics.

Yep.

[tsmirandameadows]

Doesn't matter one way or the other, but my take is that if you like transwomen, you're straight, but there is an asterisk. The fact that two cocks are involved changes the orientation calculus ever so slightly, even if one cock belongs to someone who is otherwise entirely female. You wouldn't be attracted to us if we weren't feminine, but on the other hand a lot of guys who like transwomen tend to lose interest once we get SRS. If we need both to be feminine and to have a cock to be attractive, then you're straight, but with an asterisk. :)

[Prospero]

This IS a topic that comes up time and time again and, generally I ignore it, or say simply "be who are you, enjoy and don't worry. Labels are not important." And yet clearly the deep anxiety that some guys feel about finding transsexuals attractive does matter to them.

I like Miranda's answer. I do like it when the girls take time to reassure these guys.

But as someone else aid sexuality is on a sliding scale. There are guys eho like transexuals for reasons way beyond the cock. Because they enjoy the unique range of mind sets that these girls have (not i said rane... everyone is an individual a) and at the other end there are thoe who are omniseual and ejoy sex with men, women, tv and ts girls. The deeper question is - do YOU perceive yourself to be gay? And if so - what does this meaning your life? Do you really worry that this stigmatizes you somehow? If you are gay will you be happy to tell family, friends workmates/ I suspect that in this arena there is quite possibly a wider perception of stigma to admitting you like transsexuals than a public admission of gayness.

Of course i live in a big liberal city. Many who post here do. If you live in a village or a small town in the midwest or in Russia or Africa the situation is almost certainly very different in social terms.

But i guess the final answer I'd offer is
1. NO - you are NOT gay. Do you also fancy that hunky guy who delivers the pizza? Probably not. If you do and you fancy the girl behind the bar at your local oub and you fancy TS girls - then you are Bi sexual.
2. If you were, would it matter? Your sexuality is no big deal.
3. Just live... enjoy things. Be nice and decent to everyone.
4. Stop worrying.

[robertlouis]

Doesn't matter one way or the other, but my take is that if you like transwomen, you're straight, but there is an asterisk. The fact that two cocks are involved changes the orientation calculus ever so slightly, even if one cock belongs to someone who is otherwise entirely female. You wouldn't be attracted to us if we weren't feminine, but on the other hand a lot of guys who like transwomen tend to lose interest once we get SRS. If we need both to be feminine and to have a cock to be attractive, then you're straight, but with an asterisk. :)

I like ts girls both with and without the cock. Femininity is paramount. And I'm whatever the opposite of a size queen is. But this is a great reply, Miranda.

[broncofan]

I tended to agree with Miranda's analysis as well, mainly for the reasons she stated.

But I think one answer is that you are whatever you consider most pejorative;. If you think there is definitely something wrong with being gay, then you can't outrun it.

[reformedcharacter]

If I had to choose one of the 3 choices, I'd say that I was straight but really I'm neither of the 3.

Whilst we often have some things in common about who we find sexually attractive we all have different preferences and it's far more complex than a one size fits all label.

I'm just happy to be me :)

[STARTUP999]

Lilly,
By "TG provider" I mean a male to female transgender provider of sexual services for money (prostitute).

I agree with everything you wrote.

My point is that it seems there is disagreement among the TG community.

[Prospero]

Of course there are a handful of female to male transgender escorts as well. They never ever get discussed here.

[bluesoul]

Of course there are a handful of female to male transgender escorts as well. They never ever get discussed here.

yes. but there are many discussions here about men who crossdress (i.e. crossdressers)

[Prospero]

Totally 100 per cent different bluesoul... I am talking about girls who are on the path to transitioning to men. Transsexual women to men. Some escort as male escorts with a feminine sexuality under their three pieces suits or jeans.

[bluesoul]

Totally 100 per cent different bluesoul... I am talking about girls who are on the path to transitioning to men. Transsexual women to men. Some escort as male escorts with a feminine sexuality under their three pieces suits or jeans.

ah. sorry. thought you were just pointing out topics of discussion that are popular/unpopular

[Prospero]

No I as adding a thought to the discussion. How would men who choose to visit a girl who presents as a man, but who has "a pussy" consider their sexuality?

[Jericho]

And I'm whatever the opposite of a size queen is.

Stack-Of-Buttons King? :shrug

[bluesoul]

No I as adding a thought to the discussion. How would men who choose to visit a girl who presents as a man, but who has "a pussy" consider their sexuality?

hey. that's a great question. believe it or not, i had a discussion with buck angel (transsexual man) and allanah starr (transsexual woman) for a british magazine years ago asking this very question to a bunch of sailors. it was part of a questionnaire.

basically- the results were as follows. if a woman wanted to sleep with a transsexual man (f2m) then it was because he wanted to fuck her vagina. he had no interest in being a bottom or getting fisted or whatever. it actually turned out that both parties wanted "straight" missionary sex.

men that were interested in transsexual women (m2f) were more interested in her penis and thus: more willing to bottom (be fucked) or suck her penis etc. these are generally not hetrosexual activities.

now- this does not men all the men who wanted to be with transsexual women were interested in bottoming, it's just the majority who choose a f2m transsexual, said they only did so because they preferred a vagina over a penis.

btw: if anyone is interested. the magazine was titled bizarre

[TS.Cessilia]

I like ts girls both with and without the cock. Femininity is paramount. And I'm whatever the opposite of a size queen is. But this is a great reply, Miranda.

What a great reply. It can be very upsetting for us, transwomen, when a guy states that our value is in our male genitalia only. We need more guys like you, RobertLouis! x

[bluesoul]

btw: to all the people who answered "who cares?" obviously a lot of people do otherwise this question wouldn't come up all the time. rather than brushing it aside, why not give a definitive answer so it's not so oblique?

i mean, the answer "you're straight with an asterix" sounds like the sort of answer you'd give on the jerry springer show. where you start off saying "am straight" then "BUT...."

[bigkid69]

I made a "date" to see a TS escort a few years ago, she advertised she was a TS, when I showed up I found out she was a post-op TS. It made no difference to me, I went to see the beautiful woman in the ad and that is who opened the door. I didn't make a date with a penis, I made it with a woman. Call me whatever you want, all I know is I had fun.

[giovanni_hotel]

I made a "date" to see a TS escort a few years ago, she advertised she was a TS, when I showed up I found out she was a post-op TS. It made no difference to me, I went to see the beautiful woman in the ad and that is who opened the door. I didn't make a date with a penis, I made it with a woman. Call me whatever you want, all I know is I had fun.


I'm curious how her ad was presented?? Did you misread it or are you always so accommodating when you've been victimized by the ol' bait-and-switch??


BTW the reason people on this board keep saying it doesn't matter how you classify yourself because of your attraction to TS women is because most heteros not familiar with TS are going to label you a faggot from jump anyway.

You aren't going to be able to 'explain' to them your sexuality or the psychology of most TS and their gender identification.

It should be enough to know you are far from the only man out here into TS and take comfort from that.

[Brassai]

Familiar question. Dan Savage has answered it several times in his sex/relationship advice column. It's a bad question to begin with just on the basis of language inadequacies. It assumes that people's sexuality can be adequately described and classified by just 3 single syllable words, each with its own attendant societal attitudes. Many good responses here, I like Miranda Meadows' wisdom as always. Straight with an asterisk. Certainly gays have no interest in M2F TS. They want M's who present as M's.
The only attempt at a descriptive phrase out there is "tranny chaser" which has never seemed quite right. Not so much the "tranny" part of the phrase which seems to be losing much of its derogatory sting over time as people slowly embrace and own it. But the "chaser" part of the phrase never quite made sense to me.

[maxpower]

btw: to all the people who answered "who cares?" obviously a lot of people do otherwise this question wouldn't come up all the time. rather than brushing it aside, why not give a definitive answer so it's not so oblique?

i mean, the answer "you're straight with an asterix" sounds like the sort of answer you'd give on the jerry springer show. where you start off saying "am straight" then "BUT...."


Probably because there really is no definitive answer.

[broncofan]

I think the reason the asterisk works is because categorical answers lose most of their descriptive ability when you try to fit many characteristics into a small number of categories. Sex and sexual orientation are co-dependent categories. If individuals can have physical and psychological features that transcend simple binary description then naturally those who are attracted to them are not going to be susceptible to description with binary categories for sexual orientation.

Biological sex itself consists of many components from genetic to phenotypic, and from genitalia to secondary sex characteristics. If someone is attracted to the female form but likes male genitalia then they are certainly not attracted to male secondary sex characteristics such as body hair, facial hair, and heavy musculature.

If, as in the example Prospero gave, someone is attracted to a female to male transsexual then they do like male secondary sex characteristics but are still attracted to female genitalia. Perhaps behavioral factors partly determine their interest.

Besides, one reason these discussions are irritating is because most of the talk involves a great deal of self-serving homophobia. The agenda for many is to label their own sexual activities as heterosexual and then demand that other people accept a categorization that does not capture the complexity of human sexuality.

[fred41]

Besides, one reason these discussions are irritating is because most of the talk involves a great deal of self-serving homophobia. The agenda for many is to label their own sexual activities as heterosexual and then demand that other people accept a categorization that does not capture the complexity of human sexuality.

Very well put.

[cockluver]

You're bi but just very picky about males. You know you'd fuck a hot little crossdressing trap. I know I would.

[bigkid69]

I'm curious how her ad was presented?? Did you misread it or are you always so accommodating when you've been victimized by the ol' bait-and-switch??.


Her ad never mentioned her operation, however she did let me know before the action so I could back out if I wished. I was there and she was hot so I didn't care. Something I could cross off my list as well.

[tsmirandameadows]

Her ad never mentioned her operation, however she did let me know before the action so I could back out if I wished. I was there and she was hot so I didn't care. Something I could cross off my list as well.

It would be tricky to talk about that prior to the actual meeting. Certainly when screening clients, I don't say a word about my genitalia and redirect any questions about it, because to do otherwise would be quite incriminating -- why would someone who just wants a date or some company need to know how big your cock is and if you can cum on their face? I suppose stating that you're post-op in the ad would be innocent enough, but I still avoid anything about my genitals and don't say a word which could be perceived as sexual or innuendo in my ad copy.

[tsmirandameadows]

I think the reason the asterisk works is because categorical answers lose most of their descriptive ability when you try to fit many characteristics into a small number of categories. Sex and sexual orientation are co-dependent categories. If individuals can have physical and psychological features that transcend simple binary description then naturally those who are attracted to them are not going to be susceptible to description with binary categories for sexual orientation.

Biological sex itself consists of many components from genetic to phenotypic, and from genitalia to secondary sex characteristics. If someone is attracted to the female form but likes male genitalia then they are certainly not attracted to male secondary sex characteristics such as body hair, facial hair, and heavy musculature.

If, as in the example Prospero gave, someone is attracted to a female to male transsexual then they do like male secondary sex characteristics but are still attracted to female genitalia. Perhaps behavioral factors partly determine their interest.

Besides, one reason these discussions are irritating is because most of the talk involves a great deal of self-serving homophobia. The agenda for many is to label their own sexual activities as heterosexual and then demand that other people accept a categorization that does not capture the complexity of human sexuality.

This is an excellent post: well written and hits the nail squarely on the head. I don't have anything to add, but I felt that hitting the like button was insufficient. :)

[killa69]

I'm just a guy who loves pussy & TS girls. I've never looked at a guy & had any attraction whatsoever. But when I see a hot chick or TS girl I get turned on. Never been topped, the idea doesn't turn me on at all. Every single TS girl I've ever been with is very attractive but happens to have a dick. I love my dick & I love sharing it with females & TS girls but I also love eating pussy sucking a TS girl's cock & tossing salad. Others can call that whatever they want, I just know what I like & like what I know.

[BCboyCOMINGatYA!]

I just like pretty, I cant explain so I try to never categorize myself, being versatile and much prefer to bottom,if I had to I would definitely call myself bi.

[robertlouis]

It would be tricky to talk about that prior to the actual meeting. Certainly when screening clients, I don't say a word about my genitalia and redirect any questions about it, because to do otherwise would be quite incriminating -- why would someone who just wants a date or some company need to know how big your cock is and if you can cum on their face? I suppose stating that you're post-op in the ad would be innocent enough, but I still avoid anything about my genitals and don't say a word which could be perceived as sexual or innuendo in my ad copy.

My first encounter with a ts was with a post-op. It wasn't with an escort, but with a colleague when I was working in the far east - we were working on an acquisition with me representing the buyer and her working for a big 4 accountancy firm as advisor.

I didn't know until she told me, and she was afraid of my reaction, but I was with a beautiful woman that I liked a lot, so it didn't matter to me at all. But I guess the fundamental difference is that I was expecting her to have female genitalia; she did and the sex was wonderful.

[Prospero]

It is hard for some men to raise their gaze beyond the genitalia of any sexual partner. But appreciation of the whole person is surely the key.

[BellaBellucci]

Most certainly they are all, as the rednecks in Family Guy put it, 'queerosexuals.' :lol:

~BB~

[simonisthebest]

like ke$ha said "we are who we are":yayo:

at this point i dont know anymore,
u got dude who get fucked or dream off being fucked by sasha strokes,mariana cordoba,viviany aguilera or all off theses big cock TS but sill doesnt want & are not attracted by "Men" so what's that mean ? they're in denial ?...its like being dominated by them are more exciting then a women with a strap-on, well that's not my case ,but in paris a girl like natalie Jolie told me she's fuck alot of "straight dude" on the regular, married dude....i dont know how to call that


anyway first off all , we need to determinate what type off gender a Ts IS? Personally i see them ,like a Women in a Wrong Body,not as a Man who had Sugeries & all that, so im good...in some pornsites u see them in gay section,i think its wrong:yayo:

excuse my english:yayo:

[TS.Cessilia]

You're bi but just very picky about males. You know you'd fuck a hot little crossdressing trap. I know I would.

Well, if you perceive a crossdresser to be a man, and your interest in a crossdresser is because of you love for cock- as your lovely username quite rightly suggests, then you are definitely bi to say the least (that's if you still like women). That is by following your own reasoning.

Many guys on here like robertlouis look at ts girls as women, and they like them regardless of whether they have a penis or a vagina. They are attracted by femininity in all its forms. That is a different kettle of fish, Mr. cocklover!

[hauna]

I am bi. - but TV's turn me on

[Jericho]

But appreciation of the whole person is surely the key.


The key to what?
If it's a brief encounter, who gives a shit?
I don't want a conversation, just blow me, then bend over! :shrug

[TS.Cessilia]

The key to what?
If it's a brief encounter, who gives a shit?
I don't want a conversation, just blow me, then bend over! :shrug

How gratifying :dancing: !

[bigkid69]

It would be tricky to talk about that prior to the actual meeting. Certainly when screening clients, I don't say a word about my genitalia and redirect any questions about it, because to do otherwise would be quite incriminating -- why would someone who just wants a date or some company need to know how big your cock is and if you can cum on their face? I suppose stating that you're post-op in the ad would be innocent enough, but I still avoid anything about my genitals and don't say a word which could be perceived as sexual or innuendo in my ad copy.

Agreed, she told me she was post-op but she probably should state that in her ad or somehow in the phone call because I could see some people being upset.

[Chuck]

Straight, bi, or gay?

All of the above!

[madsally]

Its a tricky one, they obviously lust for the image of a women but want that extra bit so i would say bi-/bi-curious. I, a man, would never dream of screwing another man as is but gimme a femme boy(love em) and well its different but not a whole lot, now a ts makes the issue even more confusing as they more often than not identify as a woman but the man is still looking for that extra bit so even if he never screws a biological woman in his life i would still have to class him as bi/bi-curious

[FemboisDaddy]

I also have been with TS and GGs. I consider myself as 100% STRAIGHT :lol:

[EvaCassini]

Every time a thread like this pops up... smh...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Why am I attracted to Transsexuals and Am I gay? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIKZHofr2og)

My opinion

[bluesoul]

I also have been with TS and GGs. I consider myself as 100% STRAIGHT :lol:

http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Am+I+the+only+one+that+started+laughing+hysterical ly+upon+_fa30bdf9bbb8a1f78d19d51c869437ab.gif

[smoothboi]

Call me whatever, as long as I get to go out with a tgirl.

[TS.Cessilia]

Judge Judy - You're An Idiot! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRjJRTLlKy8)

[TS.Cessilia]

http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Am+I+the+only+one+that+started+laughing+hysterical ly+upon+_fa30bdf9bbb8a1f78d19d51c869437ab.gif

Judge Judy - You're An Idiot! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRjJRTLlKy8)

[bluesoul]

^^^

http://www.somegif.com/gifs/13613543951439936233.GIF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuNhTLVgV2Y

[jimmy_fern]

Labels are just labels

[tranlove]

Who cares?

[robertlouis]

Who cares?

Yep. And you can also take an easy bet that yet another thread on this subject will start within a week. :wiggle:

[bluesoul]

Who cares?

the op does, that's why he asked the question.

also i care. i wouldn't be in my current relationship if i wasn't straight. see how that works?

if i didn't care, then i'd date people regardless of their gender, but i'm unfortunately not attracted to men so i just bypass that part

[RallyCola]

i'd like to lob this back to the girls really...society at large has labels but i would rather say...i am whatever my partner says i am. if the person that i am with thinks of themself as a woman...i am straight. if my partner thinks of themselves as a man in transition, then i am bi. this gay/bi/straight debate too often centers on homophobic fears of admirers when what really matters is the mindset of the woman.

one of my best experiences was with an escort who i considered to be a woman though she did not as GRS was the only step in her transition that would make her feel complete. Who am I to tell her who she is? There are others i've been with that want nothing more than to be seen as a woman despite their anatomy. I see both points of view and state that because the sex acts I would have with any of these people are identical, labels are irrelevant because imposing a label on me therefore defines them and that is one hell of a presumption to make.

[TS.Cessilia]

Well said, RallyCola.

[MHarrigan82]

Every time these threads pops up I shake my head. Bluesoul grow up dude every body has there own opinions on the subject.

[my my my!]

Every time these threads pops up I shake my head. Bluesoul grow up dude every body has there own opinions on the subject.

shake your head why? because you think the question is silly? sorry if it seems directed at you, that's why i asked, if it's not, im sorry, but this goes out to all the , "not this thread again *sigh" people:

It is quite serious to some people. It's as serious as the trans admirer being rejected and losing his family and friends just for being "gay".

You might not realize, but "straight" people outnumber gays by about 100 to 1. And they do INFLUENCE the way a gay person can live and how they can express themselves. The world is far from a "oh im gay and everyone is ok with it" utopia

Please show a little more respect to this subject, it's a completely valid question , and yes, everytime it comes up.

The person asking it might be contemplating leaving their Transwoman lover or abandoning admiration and desire for relationship with a transwoman , just based on what society might say, so it is quite serious.

So, please, new people on this forum. ask this question , you shall receive answers. and those that don't like these threads, the "omg , not this thread again", stay the hell out of it then. Click on a party thread , or another thread.

[EvaCassini]

Being in a relationship with a transperson is a completely different boat to ride. I shall explain.

Gay men and women couples...easily can be open or closed about their orientation; the latter being if they reside in a conservative state/city.


The big problem for those who are attracted to transpersons, is not a matter of "open sexual orientation" for society ( though that is what they say and also what others believe and assume ). It's a matter of those people having self acceptance and self esteem issues. If a guy is not accepting of himself wholly as being a person who is attracted to transpeople, then said guy will be very doubtful of such feelings and become insatiably inquisitive; to the point to where they just end up making the wrong decisions they could regret.

I.E. breaking up with trans-gf, strictly dating cis-women, staying single and/or not even making efforts to engage in interaction face to face, as a result from being afraid of their inner self.

When we here say "who cares" and "does it really matter", we mean "Dude, love and accept yourself and you won't have any worries. We are here for the very same thing; to admire, contribute, support, and appreciate shemale porn. So just feel welcome and accept yourself...oh, and have fun too."

So sit back, relax, pump out some digit juice, mingle, and chat :)
I mean come on...it's not like the NSA is operated by Hitler... ;)

[RallyCola]

given eva's post...i can't help but think that transgendered people and those that love them are the "new gay"...let me explain.

we have a tedious sense of acceptance in 2013 of gay people that we did not have in 1980, for example. Is it a perfect and respectful world? Obviously not because gay haters are more entrenched than ever but gay acceptance is also more mainstream than ever in many places.

so...as with gay culture, and all other social movements, transgendered issues are not yet really part of the cultural lexicon and are the "new gay," that is, what needs to be understood, respected and accepted next. gay characters in entertainment and gay celebrities are now the norm yet transpeople are still risque. Take for example Dallas Buyers Club and Jared Leto..if he were just a gay man in that movie, it would not be a big deal.

agree or no?

[EvaCassini]

right. Trangender peoples are honestly the "last" group of minorities. There were blacks, women, gays, and now... us. ( unless some new sub-species of human crawls out from the ground who are purple and have 3 penises and really big heads with no noses ...lol )

The "new gay" kind of makes sense, but there are two entities in it of itself.

A - There's the people who are attracted to trans.

B - Then there's THE trans people. ( without us, there wouldn't be this problem, this forum wouldn't be here along with the porn, we would all have very different lives )

I already mentioned group "A" in my last post. But as for group "B", we have a long way before we can live our lives fully, happily, and prosperously. "A" can hide and deny ( like a gay or lesbian can ) ...but "B" can't. In "mainstream" ( TV, film, media ) we are the butt of jokes. We are "going to hell" according to religion ( bullshit...there's no hell dumb asses, or a bi-polar, childish, selfish god ). We have no rights, no healthcare for the most part, we can't be in the military ( I know first hand ); we are fighting to be equal.

[giovanni_hotel]

Eva and Rally nailed it!!!

[Ben]

I've been with both TS and women in my life. They all have different opinions on the topic. Some women have told me I'm bi and transgendered women have called me everything from straight, bi, and gay. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts.

It depends on how one sees oneself. I mean, only you know you.
I think David Bowie used to identify as bisexual. Now he identifies as straight. So it could hinge on all sorts of things: time in your life, attitudinal changes etc, etc.
Human beings are very complex creatures.
Plus it makes very little difference to me how people identify themselves.

[Valentine_80]

Being in a relationship with a transperson is a completely different boat to ride. I shall explain.

Gay men and women couples...easily can be open or closed about their orientation; the latter being if they reside in a conservative state/city.


The big problem for those who are attracted to transpersons, is not a matter of "open sexual orientation" for society ( though that is what they say and also what others believe and assume ). It's a matter of those people having self acceptance and self esteem issues. If a guy is not accepting of himself wholly as being a person who is attracted to transpeople, then said guy will be very doubtful of such feelings and become insatiably inquisitive; to the point to where they just end up making the wrong decisions they could regret.

I.E. breaking up with trans-gf, strictly dating cis-women, staying single and/or not even making efforts to engage in interaction face to face, as a result from being afraid of their inner self.

When we here say "who cares" and "does it really matter", we mean "Dude, love and accept yourself and you won't have any worries. We are here for the very same thing; to admire, contribute, support, and appreciate shemale porn. So just feel welcome and accept yourself...oh, and have fun too."

So sit back, relax, pump out some digit juice, mingle, and chat :)
I mean come on...it's not like the NSA is operated by Hitler... ;)

Well said.

I've deffo finished with ts girls in the past when I wish I hadn't. All down to me struggling with my own feeling about myself.

I would like to meet someone again, but I fucking hate ts dating / sex sites for the following reasons:

1. I genuinely can't be arsed to compete with about a million men trying to convince a hot ts girl to meet them.

2. It's all sex, that's what those sites are all about.

3. I'm too lazy/busy to even try browsing each day.

4. Reading some profiles with their rules and regulations about messaging them just puts me right off.

So where am I going to meet one again? I absolutely hated the one and only time I went to this club called way out in town (London)

Do I have to just wait until I meet a girl naturally like I do with genetic girls?

Sorry for the rant and I'm probably posting in the wrong thread but I can't be arsed to start a new thread.

P.S the last ts girl I dated was lovely, 21, beautiful and working in London. She was great and I fucked it up because I couldn't introduce her to my friends or family so she got fed up and dumped me. I won't say her name because I can pretty much guarantee someone will know her on here, she has about 1000 friend requests a day on Facebook, it was a joke.

But I'm ready to meet someone special and be the normal boyfriend... Just don't want to go online or those shitty clubs.

Some advice would be very helpful :)

[trish]

The one question important to me is, "Will you still love me when my transition is complete?"

[RallyCola]

The "new gay" kind of makes sense, but there are two entities in it of itself.

A - There's the people who are attracted to trans.

B - Then there's THE trans people. ( without us, there wouldn't be this problem, this forum wouldn't be here along with the porn, we would all have very different lives )


i do think, that acceptance of group b has to come before acceptance of A.

It is clear to me that transwomen and transmen will need to be their own advocates because group a, the admirers, can be marginalized as fetishists whereas people striving to be happy with themselves are more likely to be taken seriously when society at large is willing to listen. this sentiment is ever proven to be correct on this board where men consistently ask the question about gay vs. str8 because they are consumed by their own sexual desires and less concerned with how the transgendered person sees themselves. admirers often marginalize themselves with this debate because of fear of a label.

[bluesoul]

When we here say "who cares" and "does it really matter", we mean "Dude, love and accept yourself and you won't have any worries. We are here for the very same thing; to admire, contribute, support, and appreciate shemale porn. So just feel welcome and accept yourself...oh, and have fun too."

that's cool. but can't you do all that and still claim a status? like i love and accept myself and i have very few worries. coincidentally, gay (besides meaning homosexual) also means all those things - or at least, being happy :)

i like this thing about "the new gay". that makes sense to me

[EvaCassini]

well said. They marginalize themselves without thought to how we ( the shemales ) feel and think.

I get that we are "sex symbols" and all that; but one thing has to be understood from everyone, regardless of gender and orientation, fan or producer, is that we ( the shemales ) are human like you. Humans with brains, hearts, lungs, thoughts, ideas, feelings, and habits. Humans, who have very little in the way of freedoms and rights.

You always hear the phrase "C'mon, it's 2013 for crying out loud, get with the times!" Am I right? lol...well....

Racism is clearly still a big issue considering what happened after the SCOTUS knocked the "Voting Rights Protection from Discrimination" law. Most of the southern states, within 48 hrs, after the aforementioned law was knocked, set in motion policies to easily discriminate against minority voters.

According to the SCOTUS at the time of the repealing, they said "that"..."C'mon, it's 2013!"

Apparently they just don't understand how much ignorance there still is.

Now, with that mentioned, think about Transgender rights and such. Because we do not have any type of bills, laws, and policies in place to protect us, we can easily be discriminated against. No matter if it's a job interview, coming out while employed; you can still get fired. Oh, of course they won't say it's because of being transgender; they will and can claim that they are firing, for something entirely unrelated to the fact of the employee being transgender and entirely unrelated to work performance. They can come up with any excuse in the book.

Or...even with help with our hormones. Hormones are crucial to our transition. I am a veteran. I "can" go to the VA. BUT...I ( and I've tried a few times ) tried to get them to help with hormone therapy. They won't do it. My then physician was fine with my being transgender, but according to the "rules", they can't "rightly" aid me with such.

Legal document changes are a whole other thing too...

Don't get me wrong. I understand being "labeled" gay is kind of a stigma ( even now in modern times ), but we shemales have a much harder time...with just daily life. Living. Surviving. Working. Enjoying life.

That is why I am very grateful and thankful for this industry and what Seanchai has built. Yes, it's porn, but this career I have with it has and continues to be the most fulfilling thing for me professional wise. For Thanksgiving, my thanks goes to Seanchai and his Grooby. :) It's because of him, that I have a job, a market, and a living.

[EvaCassini]

that's cool. but can't you do all that and still claim a status? like i love and accept myself and i have very few worries. coincidentally, gay (besides meaning homosexual) also means all those things - or at least, being happy :)

i like this thing about "the new gay". that makes sense to me


Yes...but it's not such a big issue, considering real issues. Issues that actually have major impacts in one's life. Like a job, owning and maintaining a car, having health insurance, children/pets ( if one has any ), and many other things.

I can understand this "am i gay" thing, back when Friends was airing. But now, especially on a porn forum, it's honestly moot. No offense to others feelings, but I really think one should concentrate one's time and energy to doing something productive and more worth while with their life. Like finding the next newest porn scene to jack off to. :)

[STARTUP999]

Help me! I have started to find I am attracted to 'females!! I started watching straight porn in secret. A woman at work seems to go out of her way to hover around my cubical and sit by me in the cafeteria. And It turns me on!!

So if I am attracted to females does that make me ...straight or or bi or straight curious? What will I ever do if my transgender friends and family find out??? I am so confused.

[Prospero]

The one question important to me is, "Will you still love me when my transition is complete?"

"Love is not love, that alters where alteration finds."

W S

[RallyCola]

Help me! I have started to find I am attracted to 'females!! I started watching straight porn in secret. A woman at work seems to go out of her way to hover around my cubical and sit by me in the cafeteria. And It turns me on!!

So if I am attracted to females does that make me ...straight or or bi or straight curious? What will I ever do if my transgender friends and family find out??? I am so confused.

watch strap on/pegging porn. it is one approximation of str8 porn that is close to this genre

[broncofan]

The one question important to me is, "Will you still love me when my transition is complete?"

The Shirelles - Will You Love Me Tomorrow (Live, 1964) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_cRHw8PAPA)


True fact Trish: this classic by The Shirelles was written by a ts woman to her boyfriend the day before her post-op surgery.

Okay, not a true fact, but a beautiful song that still works in that context:).

[trish]

In Yoda speak, a true fact in an alternate world about what some in this world, a game changing alteration, would find :)

[dderek123]

Am i gay? deep down am i really just into her because she has a dick? I mean I know she's a woman, but then again, she has a dick, am I secretly gay? If my family finds out, based on what I've heard them say, I will lose them. Is my translove worth it. Or will i be without my family forever?




Also while you're in the relationship your partner and everyone around you will wonder if it will last after she gets the big operation. Especially if your partner is inexperienced/immature this can keep coming up again and again during each conflict.

Car needs to be fixed?
Her reaction: "You won't stay with me after I have the operation. And then I'll be alone forever." Then she gets more upset.

Need to pull an all nighter to get caught up on some really important work?
Her reaction: "You won't stay with me after I have the operation. And then I'll be alone forever." Then she gets more upset.

And so on

Relationships aren't always a barrel of laughs but that was a real bummer. Bummer heh

[Michey]

Guys that only like girls and ts girls are straight, not even bi.
I guess this answer would've closed the thread

[giovanni_hotel]

I agree, it SHOULDN'T MATTER. Consenting adults can be with anyone they want.

but unfortunately it does MATTER to the individual.

I've known personally, a gay person that commit suicide, and several trans women as well.

The "am i gay" thing on this forum might seem comical to some, given the porn nature of this forum. And to some extent, the lighthearted answers of "just shag whoever man, don't worry about it" are ok.

But I still feel, that TRANS ADMIRERS who pursue a relationship with a transwoman have a lot of stuff to contemplate.

Am i gay? deep down am i really just into her because she has a dick? I mean I know she's a woman, but then again, she has a dick, am I secretly gay? If my family finds out, based on what I've heard them say, I will lose them. Is my translove worth it. Or will i be without my family forever?


it's completely valid. in my opinion. lol not trying to offend anyone :)


If you search this forum you'll probably find 20-50 'am I gay' threads which is why older members think the subject matter is tedious.

We deal with it because inevitably newer members are going to bring up the subject. It's the nature of such things, we aren't all at the same place.

I think most guys need to get their heads wrapped around the idea that being in bed with another penis doesn't mean you lose your man-card.

It doesn't change how you self-identify or process the world.

You're going to be labeled by most folks as gay anyway for liking/loving trans-chicks anyway. You have no power to change that so why worry about it??

I think it's the labeling straight guys into transwomen have the most problem with, which shouldn't be the issue anyway.

[trish]

If it looks like a fish and swims like a fish, it might be a whale.

[south09]

If you're a guy with a penis, and you're involved with a girl with a penis, the sexual behavior is homosexual. It just is what it is.

Having said that, most people you encounter will likely not know what's between her legs. You will be seen as a guy and a girl in public, and therefore no one will have a reason to call that anything other than a straight relationship.

Being gay means ONLY preferring to be with someone who identifies as the same sex as you.

[giovanni_hotel]

If you're a guy with a penis, and you're involved with a girl with a penis, the sexual behavior is homosexual. It just is what it is.

Having said that, most people you encounter will likely not know what's between her legs. You will be seen as a guy and a girl in public, and therefore no one will have a reason to call that anything other than a straight relationship.

Being gay means ONLY preferring to be with someone who identifies as the same sex as you.

Spoken like a man who believes all TS are repressed gay men in extreme drag.

Homosexual is an emotional/sexual attraction to someone of the same gender.

Homosexual sex is by definition what two gay people do sexually in the bed together.

If a GIRL has a penis, when a straight man has sex with her, generously speaking you can't accurately label that as a homosexual relationship.

When Chaz Bono dates Cis women, are those lesbian relationships??

No sex act is either 'gay' or 'straight'. It's just sex.

I think the idea of transgendered women is just too big a reality for most people not experienced with such phenomena to handle.

[Krauser94]

To say that men attracted to chicks with dicks are completely straight is ridiculous. sure they may be mostly straight but they are at least bi or bi curious. they may not be attracted to masculine looking men but being attracted to extremely feminine looking men who identify as a woman makes you kinda gay. real straight men have no problem watching only straight porn and fucking natural women only. if you like pre op ts girls you like the dick which will never make you completely straight.

[Krauser94]

I apologize for any offense but i clearly did not say effeminate men. i am actually fully aware that ts women are all girl on the inside, and i don't need a silly degree to know that. Im in a relationship with a ts woman and we are both very much in love but i can admit i was first attracted to her because Im bi curious and she told me she was a pre op tgirl

[Jamie French]

My biological sex is male, your biological sex is male. Bam. Homosexual. Nothing about the term speaks to gender or romantic feelings. Ergo, if you have a dick and you touch my dick - and you like it... you're the gay. It's kinda what homosexuality is exactly. If we were talking about heterogenderality then none of this would even be an issue, but since that isn't even a word ya'll will just have to knit yourselves a little rainbow flag and start rocking that fucker with at least a modicum of queery eyed pride.

[giovanni_hotel]

My biological sex is male, your biological sex is male. Bam. Homosexual. Nothing about the term speaks to gender or romantic feelings. Ergo, if you have a dick and you touch my dick - and you like it... you're the gay. It's kinda what homosexuality is exactly. If we were talking about heterogenderality then none of this would even be an issue, but since that isn't even a word ya'll will just have to knit yourselves a little rainbow flag and start rocking that fucker with at least a modicum of queery eyed pride.

Thanks for clearing things up.

Being trans-attracted is just another variation on the homo scale.:geek:

This is a Fag's Only party, you know who you are.

Straight dudes need not apply.

[trish]

"heterogenderality" I say we put it in the dictionary.

Alfonse: Homo?
Bruce: Homosexual, but not homogenderal?
Alfonse: Too bad! Later than.

[dderek123]

http://i.imgur.com/v6B4Tme.gif

[south09]

Spoken like a man who believes all TS are repressed gay men in extreme drag.

Homosexual is an emotional/sexual attraction to someone of the same gender.

Homosexual sex is by definition what two gay people do sexually in the bed together.

If a GIRL has a penis, when a straight man has sex with her, generously speaking you can't accurately label that as a homosexual relationship.

When Chaz Bono dates Cis women, are those lesbian relationships??

No sex act is either 'gay' or 'straight'. It's just sex.

I think the idea of transgendered women is just too big a reality for most people not experienced with such phenomena to handle.

Did you read the first sentence I wrote and stop? I clarified all that in the rest of my post.

First off, I don't believe that first sentence you said at all. FFS I'm a crossdresser myself, and I'd be stupid to apply inaccurate terms to an umbrella under which I can be identified.

I said the behavior is homosexual, not the people involved. There are two of the same thing in the bed. Homo = same (where hetero = two or more). That's just basic word etymology. I even specifically said that the relationship, to the rest of the world who doesn't have access to what's between her legs, is a straight relationship (as opposed to a gay/lesbian one).

[Jamie French]

Just in case anyone had any misunderstanding, (or gave two shits.) I only side with the facts, never the feels. It's very liberating to live in world devoid of having to rationalize anything. One need only be brave.

[giovanni_hotel]

Just in case anyone had any misunderstanding, (or gave two shits.) I only side with the facts, never the feels. It's very liberating to live in world devoid of having to rationalize anything. One need only be brave.

Except being transgendered is ALL about the 'feels', what someone is thinking between the ears.

If the 'feels' don't matter, it's all denial and delusion.

[broncofan]

Several definitions of sexual orientation take into account the gender one is attracted to. Some of these definitions say the sex or gender of those you are attracted to, and I've seen several that say gender.

But even sex is not something that fits into two distinct categories. To say that someone with 5 alpha reductase deficiency is either entirely male or entirely female would be to simplify either term beyond its usefulness. They are GENETICALLY male, but they do not necessarily possess all of the other physiological correlates. They cannot break down testosterone into its more androgenic metabolite.

There are some individuals who are neither the male or female standard genetically, but have Klinefelter's or Turner's. So even the genetic component of sex is not binary.

Besides, there are some people who are attracted to androgyny. They might find various male and female characteristics attractive. Their sexual orientation would probably be best understood on a continuum.

None of this is to rationalize sexuality just to avoid the label of gay. But saying someone is gay because they like some masculine and some feminine features is feeling as though you only have two (or three including bisexual) categories to choose from and aren't willing to increase the level of description by viewing sexuality as fluid.

[Jamie French]

It's not about what I feel. I know that life is uncomfortable living as a dude for very specific reasons. I didn't have to feel my way through anything. The chemical make up of brain is not gender normative. There was/is no feeling about it. It's biology brother. We are meaty robots.

Also, don't speak for people who aren't you. Pass judgment all day long, make jokes, agrree, lambast, but never profess for anyone other than yourself.


Except being transgendered is ALL about the 'feels', what someone is thinking between the ears.

If the 'feels' don't matter, it's all denial and delusion.

[giovanni_hotel]

Unless you're physically assaulted daily, the sensation of being uncomfortable is a feeling. Between the ears. Emotional.

[broncofan]

The chemical make up of brain is not gender normative. There was/is no feeling about it. It's biology brother. We are meaty robots.

You may disagree, but there are some ethicists and doctors who would say such a biological difference should be taken into account when defining sex. Even doctors no longer believe that genetics alone should determine the sex of a person. And I am not confusing sex with gender, but am talking about actual physiologic characters such as hormone levels, the expression of secondary sex characteristics, the presentation of gonads.

[Jamie French]

That's a lot of words. This is easier guys...

Is there a dick in your mouth? In your hand? Up your butt? Is it yours? No? Gay.

Is your hand on a dick? Is it yours? No? Gay.

Is there a vagina anywhere near the butt you're currently humping? No? Gay.


Several definitions of sexual orientation take into account the gender one is attracted to. Some of these definitions say the sex or gender of those you are attracted to, and I've seen several that say gender.

But even sex is not something that fits into two distinct categories. To say that someone with 5 alpha reductase deficiency is either entirely male or entirely female would be to simplify either term beyond its usefulness. They are GENETICALLY male, but they do not necessarily possess all of the other physiological correlates. They cannot break down testosterone into its more androgenic metabolite.

There are some individuals who are neither the male or female standard genetically, but have Klinefelter's or Turner's. So even the genetic component of sex is not binary.

Besides, there are some people who are attracted to androgyny. They might find various male and female characteristics attractive. Their sexual orientation would probably be best understood on a continuum.

None of this is to rationalize sexuality just to avoid the label of gay. But saying someone is gay because they like some masculine and some feminine features is feeling as though you only have two (or three including bisexual) categories to choose from and aren't willing to increase the level of description by viewing sexuality as fluid.

[Jamie French]

I'm not interested in fringe science. I'll take the stuff that stings, means it's working.


You may disagree, but there are some ethicists and doctors who would say such a biological difference should be taken into account when defining sex. Even doctors no longer believe that genetics alone should determine the sex of a person. And I am not confusing sex with gender, but am talking about actual physiologic characters such as hormone levels, the expression of secondary sex characteristics, the presentation of gonads.

[broncofan]

It's easier but less descriptive. A lot of things are easier. Saying someone who is 1/8 Jewish is a Jew is a lot easier than saying he's 1/4 polish, 3/8th German, and 1/8 Jewish. But yes, crudity and simplicity are often more effective rhetorically.

[Jamie French]

Say more with less, it's a show of better brains.

E=MC² or the mountain of calculation that gets you to Graham's Number? You decide.


It's easier but less descriptive. A lot of things are easier. Saying someone who is 1/8 Jewish is a Jew is a lot easier than saying he's 1/4 polish, 3/8th German, and 1/8 Jewish. But yes, crudity and simplicity are often more effective rhetorically.

[broncofan]

I'm not interested in fringe science. I'll take the stuff that stings, means it's working.
It's not fringe science. In fact what you are preaching about the biological definition of sex being determined entirely by the presence of two x chromosomes or an x and a y is what was believed in the 1970's. Now doctors look at size of genitals, presentation of gonads, hormone levels including inability to convert testosterone to dht, and secondary sex characteristic development.

[broncofan]

Say more with less, it's a show of better brains.
No offense, but you're not actually very bright Jamie.

[Jamie French]

See how it stings? Means it's working.


No offense, but you're not actually very bright Jamie.

[Jamie French]

All the extra mishmash is great for weeding out the exceptions. Aaaaand... that's about it.


It's not fringe science. In fact what you are preaching about the biological definition of sex being determined entirely by the presence of two x chromosomes or an x and a y is what was believed in the 1970's. Now doctors look at size of genitals, presentation of gonads, hormone levels including inability to convert testosterone to dht, and secondary sex characteristic development.

[giovanni_hotel]

Hey Jamie, do you believe guys who find you sexually attractive knowing your status are gay??

[Jamie French]

E=MC² or the mountain of calculation that gets you to Graham's Number? You decide.


No offense, but you're not actually very bright Jamie.

[Jamie French]

Sure. Why not? It doesn't amount to anything and rent still gets paid on time.


Hey Jamie, do you believe guys who find you sexually attractive knowing your status are gay??

[broncofan]

See how it stings? Means it's working.
Oh there's no doubt you're irritating, but it does not mean you've said anything relevant or insightful.

[Jamie French]

In all honesty, with the amount of trans girls that come in and out of this house for work, I've had plenty of time to sit and gab about how we see the kind of dudes that are sexually attracted to folks like us. The overwhelming consensus is that the guys are totally queer. The only thing that irks us is how squeamish ya'll are about it.

[Jamie French]

It's ok, you'll live to whine another day. I'll be here, peddling my wares, you'll be there doing whatever for some reason. The world will keep on a spinnin'. Thanks for playing.


Oh there's no doubt you're irritating, but it does not mean you've said anything relevant or insightful.

[broncofan]

In all honesty, with the amount of trans girls that come in and out of this house for work, I've had plenty of time to sit and gab about how we see the kind of dudes that are sexually attracted to folks like us. The overwhelming consensus is that the guys are totally queer. The only thing that irks us is how squeamish ya'll are about it.
I would have no problem saying I'm gay. It's nothing to be ashamed of. And if I were attracted to men who had not undergone any sort of transition I would think that was the end of the story. I was just saying that high levels of generality aren't really helpful because they don't explain many things. Why do some men find female to male transsexuals attractive? Why do some men find male to female ts' attractive but not men who have male secondary sex characteristics? Why do some men find female bodybuilders attractive?

It could be that the Kinsey scale is a better way of understanding sexuality because it attempts to understand sexuality as a more fluid phenomenon.

[broncofan]

It's ok, you'll live to whine another day. I'll be here, peddling my wares, you'll be there doing whatever for some reason. The world will keep on a spinnin'. Thanks for playing.
Thank you for playing and once again proving what an uneducated and trashy human being you are.

[giovanni_hotel]

In all honesty, with the amount of trans girls that come in and out of this house for work, I've had plenty of time to sit and gab about how we see the kind of dudes that are sexually attracted to folks like us. The overwhelming consensus is that the guys are totally queer. The only thing that irks us is how squeamish ya'll are about it.

It still is strange to me that many TS chicks consider self-identified straight men attracted to them or who have sex with them as gay.

Whatever.

[Jamie French]

Trashy? Me?


Thank you for playing and once again proving what an uneducated and trashy human being you are.

[Jamie French]

I only date trans anyhow so it's nothing more than a talking point to me. Eva and I are totally fagtastic for each other...


It still is strange to me that many TS chicks consider self-identified straight men attracted to them or who have sex with them as gay.

Whatever.

[dderek123]

"cancel my account as I do not want to be part of a forum that condones offensive transphobic views in any form, certainly not under the banner on freedom of expression! "

Censorship in the name of freedom of expression?
http://i.imgur.com/XkFQ9.gif

Too bad she seemed really nice.
If you can't read other peoples opinions in text form without getting offended you may not enjoy internet forums.

[handsumjack]

In San Francisco the mid 70's, I made a delivery to a business called the SUTRO BATHS. It was a large sex club with all kinds of rooms and interests. I was given a free pass buy the manager and invited to attend a pool night that Thursday. This is what started my life long LOVE of ALL KINDS OF SEX. Up to this point most of the sex I had was with straight women. I did have two bi sexual experiences when I was a little younger - Sucked a friends cock and jerked a friend off. My experience at the Sutro Baths brought me in contact with the most beautiful Transsexuals in the world. Many of them would come after work from a Transgender club that was very trendy, Finocchio's. I have had sex with Straight and Bi Men & Women, Crossdressers, and Transsexuals of all sizes and races. I dated a Transsexual woman for several years. My wife and I married 20 years share the same interests as PAN SEXUALS. My early straight life was great but I came to realize sex would be a greater adventure if you had more that three holes to explore.

[Lilsumpinwild]

I've just had my first TS experience. So, naturally, I'm in the stages of questioning my sexuality. I've been straight my entire life. Never been attracted to males. Although, I've always been attracted to nice looking cocks. Or, at least, "appreciated" them. I didn't get hard upon site of one, but I remember watching straight porn as an adolescent and seeing a nice cock and thinking Wow. That's an impressive cock. (ie Peter North) But I didn't want to suck it or take it in my ass.

Anyways....... I started finding myself attracted to TS women about five years ago. Started with watching TS porn and masturbating to it. Then I moved on to perusing the classifieds for local providers. I was very nervous about this, but knew that it was an itch that needed to be scratched. I thought to myself: Well, this is it, buddy. You fuck a TS girl and you might want to fuck guys too. Stupid, huh?

But I did it anyways. And it was amazing. I loved it. I want to do it again. I don't know what this makes me... gay, straight, bi, a voyeur... who cares? It makes me happy. So, I don't care.

Am I gay? I don't know and I don't care. To be honest, the debate about sexuality in general always bored me. Just be yourself, whatever that is. I have gay relatives and friends and never thought twice about it. I just want them to be happy.

[Jamie French]

I'd be willing to wager a penis does it's fair share of undermining womanhood as well. That's why I'll always fly the transgendered flag in my home. Anything less/more would undermine my honesty as a human being.


I'm with you boo.
I'm a woman, he's a man therefore we're in a heterosexual relationship.anything else undermines my womanhood.

[amberskyi]

I'd be willing to wager a penis does it's fair share of undermining womanhood as well. That's why I'll always fly the transgendered flag in my home. Anything less/more would undermine my honesty as a human being.

That is YOUR TRUTH Jamie not mine.
I know who I am.

[bluesoul]

In all honesty, with the amount of trans girls that come in and out of this house for work, I've had plenty of time to sit and gab about how we see the kind of dudes that are sexually attracted to folks like us. The overwhelming consensus is that the guys are totally queer. The only thing that irks us is how squeamish ya'll are about it.

i concur with this assessment

[danthepoetman]

I'm not even sure the terms have any pertinence anymore. Sexual relations, in an urban world at least (by opposition to the deep country, or to some heartland of some kind), is so diversified today that they have lost much of their meaning. The "top", "bottom" and "versatile" denominations are much more telling. On the other hand, the terms "man" and "woman" are still as relevant as ever, and I personaly believe in what they define more than in almost any other concept. To me, the sexual compatibility is what makes this world tolerable and, often, even really beautiful.
What I'd say, as far as I'm concerned, is that I love women. I love all women, all types of women. I love their aethetic, their softness, their temperament, their psychological and physical attributes, what they contribute to this life with; I love women wheter they have a little extra or not. What I want to do to a t-woman is exactly the same I want to do to a g-woman: I want to take her, caress her, kiss her and lick her wherever I find beauty and penetrate her until mutual satisfaction if possible.
Do I care being called "gay" because I like t-women as much as g-women? Yes, because I find it insulting to t-women; I find it offensive for them, and I find it denies them the title they are so obviously deserving of, which is simply that of women. Is it a bias of me to think like this? Of course not. Whatever anyone thinks, it has been long very well demonstrated that t-women are women, that the condition is real, that it is not some kind of whim or fancy, nor is it a simple or insignificant type of neurosis: the condition is REAL, it has been well demonstrated, we now even have strong neurological and biological evidences to support it. There really is such a thing as a feminine identity to some people born male, and the tremendous and colossal effort to fit their phenotype to this sense of identity is completely legitimate.
Do I personaly feel offended being called "gay" because I like t-women as women, I mean, am I offended in my masculinity? No. I know who and what I am. If some people want to tag me for that, it's their thing, no mine. As far as I'm concerned, I just like women! Why would I think of myself as being gay??!
As to Jamie's opinion, which to my knowledge is not shared by many transsexual women, I respect it totally. She has the right and the priviledge to see herself as she wishes to. We also have at least another member whom I respect and whom I know feel the same, for having read posts of her expressing it: Tia Phoenixx whom as Jamie, is magnificent with femininity.

[broncofan]

Yeah I also respect the variety of opinions. I don't want to be in denial, but my view is that if there's a term used to describe things that are slightly but undeniably different, it's not denial to create a new term or accept that there are shades of grey. I notice that when someone thinks a term has pejorative undertones, they are more likely to sort of round to that term when there's any ambiguity.

For instance, someone who is part minority might be seen by the majority culture as entirely minority, maybe based on a belief that there is something tainted about that group, and any amount of that quality ushers them out of the majority. Likewise, bisexual is "gay" to some people, as is having a sexual orientation that is somewhere on a sliding scale between interest in masculinity or femininity. Terms and categories, like models in science, are there only to simplify understanding. They don't have to be accepted in their entirety. So I think my view is closest to what Dan describes above in that we subsume complex phenomena in categories that are too simple.

[Ananke]

When are we ever going to stop trying to put a label on everyone??
I am what I am.

[Michey]

- Men who are attracted to transgendered women- Straight, bi, gay?

- Yes!

[michelle28bc1]

I only date trans anyhow so it's nothing more than a talking point to me. Eva and I are totally fagtastic for each other...

Ahhh Jamie I wanna play with both of you and Eva...

[ilove2swallow]

whatever it is called when you are attracted to dick is what i am, i like dick on men, dick on sexy, girly looking men, and dildos

[broncofan]

whatever it is called when you are attracted to dick is what i am, i like dick on men, dick on sexy, girly looking men, and dildos
I didn't think this person exists. Even on the Kinsey scale this tips the scale.
Verdict: Gay, not that there's anything wrong with that.

[ilove2swallow]

i DO NOT find men sexy tho, i have a girlfriend, AND we have 3 kids, living together, sexually open, but dont believe in marriage

[broncofan]

i DO NOT find men sexy tho, i have a girlfriend, AND we have 3 kids, living together, sexually open, but dont believe in marriage
Okay, maybe I don't know. You sounded pretty fixated on the shlong was all and didn't sound like you even see your partners as female in any way. I'm not trying to judge you, I just thought that we finally hit the jackpot with something clear cut.

[trish]

Fixation on a single body part... sounds like a fetish to me.

[Stavros]

Fixation on a single body part... sounds like a fetish to me.

As in...nipple?

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

I know this thread has been done to death, but I would like to add my two cents. I have been interested in women my whole life. I came across t-girls about 10 years ago and have been hooked ever since. I still love GG's, so I consider myself bi. I only like what is feminine, but I do love cock, so I can't ignore that. I didn't know I liked cock until I saw these beautiful ladies who had them, so I immediately came to the conclusion that I would like to please their sexual part just like the GG's I had always wanted to please. I have a cock, so it is not like it is some alien body part from outer space.

[trish]

From what he little he tells us, ilove2swallow's cock fixation sounds to me like a fetish. On the other hand, loving the things about your partner that allow you to pleasure her is only natural...imo...as long as she does indeed take pleasure and isn't offended by the focus of your attentions. Taking pleasure in seeing those things in pornography, as LovinThaTSLadiez does, is no less natural than pornography itself, which is pretty damn natural.

[Deanna]

Whatever you feel. Don't feel ashamed either, I have recently accepted that I am bi and I will never tell anyone but again I feel happy to accept what I am. We get the best of both worlds.
all the best Dean

[Silcc69]

I see liking a tg girl as being straight but society would say I am gay so <shrugs> whatever I guess.

[anonymoussonny]

Who cares? What would you call someone who likes ggs/tgs and finds tg penises nice but doesn't want it in their ass or mouth?

I know, someone who doesn't give a fuck.

DITTO!!!:iagree: At some point you just have to be comfortable enough to admit to yourself what you like/dislike...that's the kind of confidence that infuriates haters and generates 'swag'.



Trust me...the ladies LOVE swag, especially mine!:yayo::fuckin:

[dakota87]

DITTO!!!:iagree: At some point you just have to be comfortable enough to admit to yourself what you like/dislike...that's the kind of confidence that infuriates haters and generates 'swag'.



Trust me...the ladies LOVE swag, especially mine!:yayo::fuckin:

SWAG
Secretly, We Are Gay

[MartianSpy]

I'm more or less the Martian analogue of male. When I first realized that I was attracted to Earthlings who were born male but presented as female, I thought "I'm gay! Awesome!"

But then I discovered that these particular Earthlings view themselves as female and their boyfriends as heterosexual. Well alright! I can totally be straight for hot babes!

But then I discovered that there are communities of such Earthlings in different countries that dress and act as female and get surgery for bigger butts and tits, but think of themselves as male and their boyfriends as homosexual. At that point I decided that you Earthlings were just fucking with my mind!

So now I define my self thusly:
Gender identity = purple
Sexual orientation = space alien
Presentation = interplanetary hotness

[amberskyi]

I'm more or less the Martian analogue of male. When I first realized that I was attracted to Earthlings who were born male but presented as female, I thought "I'm gay! Awesome!"

But then I discovered that these particular Earthlings view themselves as female and their boyfriends as heterosexual. Well alright! I can totally be straight for hot babes!

But then I discovered that there are communities of such Earthlings in different countries that dress and act as female and get surgery for bigger butts and tits, but think of themselves as male and their boyfriends as homosexual. At that point I decided that you Earthlings were just fucking with my mind!

So now I define my self thusly:
Gender identity = purple
Sexual orientation = space alien
Presentation = interplanetary hotness

Too cute! Lol xoxo

[anonymoussonny]

SWAG
Secretly, We Are Gay

LOL LMAzzzO!!! Too funny, well played...BUT WRONG!:fu:

[DC]

Basically fuck other peoples labels, if you identify as Str8 well thats who you are, another point is Gay guys have no attraction to TS..

[Ben]

25 WAYS TO KNOW YOU'RE GAY - Tyler Oakley & Davey Wavey - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vras_ia6nlc)

[evilguy919]

Depend, if you see a dude with his dick hanging out and you like it, then you're either gay or bi (since you say you with a gg before). However, if you only turn on if it a transexual with a dick then it more of a fetish. I guess the correct term is "tranny chaser".

[robertlouis]

As in...nipple?

Most folk have two of those Stavros.

I've checked. :whistle:

[robertlouis]

I'm with you boo.
I'm a woman, he's a man therefore we're in a heterosexual relationship.anything else undermines my womanhood.

:iagree: Unless a tgirl stipulates that she wants to be regarded as male - which I just don't get :confused: - I'll always treat her and describe her as female. Anything less is disrespectful. And I've never yet met a tgirl who didn't regard herself first and foremost as a woman.

[Deja Vu]

I'm more or less the Martian analogue of male. When I first realized that I was attracted to Earthlings who were born male but presented as female, I thought "I'm gay! Awesome!"

But then I discovered that these particular Earthlings view themselves as female and their boyfriends as heterosexual. Well alright! I can totally be straight for hot babes!

But then I discovered that there are communities of such Earthlings in different countries that dress and act as female and get surgery for bigger butts and tits, but think of themselves as male and their boyfriends as homosexual. At that point I decided that you Earthlings were just fucking with my mind!

So now I define my self thusly:
Gender identity = purple
Sexual orientation = space alien
Presentation = interplanetary hotness
Basically

[SFlare]

I've been with both TS and women in my life. They all have different opinions on the topic. Some women have told me I'm bi and transgendered women have called me everything from straight, bi, and gay. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts.

I think straight, since gay men HATE trans women. Some might say gay, but i don't agree since they're still women, and that possess all that femininity. Some say bi, but that's still inaccurate as bi mean attracted to men and women, not trans women and women.

[handsumjack]

PAN - If another human is sexually attractive to me and they are willing it does not matter if they are male , female, transgendered, etc. The sexual acts they enjoy are their business, as long as no one is forced against their will. No sex with children.

[RallyCola]

let's make this simple

gay
ɡā/
adjective
adjective: gay; comparative adjective: gayer; superlative adjective: gayest
1.
(of a person, especially a man) homosexual.
"that friend of yours, is he gay?"
synonyms: homosexual, lesbian; informalqueer
"gay men and women"
relating to or used by homosexuals.
"feminist, black, and gay perspectives"
2.
lighthearted and carefree.
"Nan had a gay disposition and a very pretty face"
brightly colored; showy; brilliant.
"a gay profusion of purple and pink sweet peas"
3.
informaloffensive
foolish, stupid, or unimpressive.
"making students wait for the light is kind of a gay rule"

Does any of those definitions fit you?

[jamesedwards]

Rally what year is that dictionary that you posted on the gay def? I find it totally different from the early dictionaries which gay meant being cheerful, happy etc and had nothing to do with homosexuals. You would use the word homosexual. The word Gay was CORRUPTED into meaning homosexual. People use to use the word gay to be cheerful but now they don't use it because of it's misnomer usage attached to being a homosexual and I agree with them. I say why corrupt a word if you want a label either make up one or used the available one, like in this instance homosexual. My 2 cents, what say you? Nope that doesn't describe me :-)



let's make this simple

gay
ɡā/
adjective
adjective: gay; comparative adjective: gayer; superlative adjective: gayest
1.
(of a person, especially a man) homosexual.
"that friend of yours, is he gay?"
synonyms: homosexual, lesbian; informalqueer
"gay men and women"
relating to or used by homosexuals.
"feminist, black, and gay perspectives"
2.
lighthearted and carefree.
"Nan had a gay disposition and a very pretty face"
brightly colored; showy; brilliant.
"a gay profusion of purple and pink sweet peas"
3.
informaloffensive
foolish, stupid, or unimpressive.
"making students wait for the light is kind of a gay rule"

Does any of those definitions fit you?

[RallyCola]

i just googled: define gay

this, like so many threads of the same topic, will never have a universal and proper answer at all...there will be those entrenched on each side of the debate and most will not flex. it is pointless. i probably should just stop replying to any thread that reduces to this question...but i can't help being a prick.

[Fyusian]

Interesting topic and really irritating to read through.

I have no idea what Eva Cassini or her friend Jamie French are going on about but it seems to be the usual nonsense from them. They are transgendered women who think they are still men and that the men who are attracted to them are gay? Good for them, actual gay people dislike transgendered women in terms of attraction but if they want to think they're really going with gay men then good for them. They're clearly confused.

We have bluesoul who thinks he's gay because of his attraction to trans-women? Good for him, maybe he really does desire men and is in the closet projecting his own fantasies onto others.

If you're attracted to transgendered women because of their femininity then you're attracted to them because they look like females. Therefore you're straight.

You enjoy anal sex? Yes, so do other straight men who go with genetic girls who use strap-ons.

You like cock but only when you see it on a woman? It's a fetish. In fact the science says so! See this video of a neuroscientist explaining straight male attraction to shemales: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMoEs7eQeZE
This is of course different for all of us, I personally am not attracted to a cock.

But you absolutely hold no desire for a man? Then you're not gay or bisexual. Simple as.

And as others here have argued, each and everyone of us are different. Some might be pansexual, some might be bi and some might just have a fetish. It's not black and white but there's no reason why you can't be straight too and hold an attraction to a transgendered woman or even have sex with one, giving or receiving.

The people who are arguing that it's "gay" are looking at it from a black and white perspective. So what would it be then if you have sex with Buck Angel, a female to male transgendered who has a vagina? If you define gender and orientation by genitalia or the type of sex a person has then a male having sex with Buck is straight. I think anyone else would disagree though especially actual gay people, them especially since Buck is actually a gay porn star who gays are attracted to because of his masculinity. However if those attracted to transgendered women are bi or gay then those attracted to Buck Angel are actually straight or bi. Now go tell half the gay community that they are not really gay, they will laugh you out of the room.

What I've noticed in discussions like these, it is that when we're discussing a female transgendered, the argument changes, whilst female to male transgendered people are "actually men" male to female transgender can never be "actual females" despite going through the same procedures according to the logic of some people in this thread. So even in this trans-community, there is a form of transphobia and also a ignorance of gender identity.

Trans-women are women, they see themselves as women and those attracted to them see them as women. Therefore the attraction towards them is a straight attraction.

What's really annoying about topics like these though, isn't the confusion but the fact that so many people like to throw their own labels about and demand that their label and simple black and white categorization should be taken as the ultimate answer. It's not that simple. Surely a person is who he says he is? There are those who like females and trans-women (straight) and those who like trans-women, females and males (bisexual) those who like males (gay) and those who like all regardless of gender because they see beyond that (pansexual). There is no single answer, every individual is different.

The biggest tragedy comes from the few who are actually straight but then turn around and say "okay maybe I am gay or bisexual even though I don't like men" because some ignorant know-it-all decides their opinion of this complex topic is ultimately the right one.

Short answer:

Men who are attracted to transgendered women can be straight, bisexual, asexual (with a romantic attraction) or pansexual. From what I have heard from gay people including my own gay friends, gay people aren't interested in transgendered women at all because they see them as women (which they are).

The type of sex a person has does not determine their orientation. Attraction does, if I'm wrong then all those lesbians having strap-on sex aren't actually lesbians but heterosexual or bisexual females because they're enjoying penile penetration sex which some here would define as a sole heterosexual activity as apparently anal sex is a homosexual activity and straight people aren't allowed to enjoy it. Of course, this is nonsense.

I think most of the anxiety doesn't come from being judged by the "religious fundamentalists" at all but rather being labelled from the liberal "progressives" and activists who think they're helping by setting up groups to categorize people. In reality grouping distances all of us away from unity as the human race.

I don't think people who worry about this are insecure. People just don't like being labelled anymore. To me, it's not really a problem though. I understand why we do it but what annoys me about these topics are people who think there is only one answer. There's not, not everything in life always has one answer.

This might infuriate a few people but whatever, I thought that I might as well give my own take on this subject.

[Fyusian]

edit: double post, please delete

[jamesedwards]

Fyusian wrote a lot, whew.

[Prince Vlad]

I would argue this assumption:
Men who are attracted to transgendered women can be straight, bisexual, asexual (with a romantic attraction) or pansexual

it could be none of the above
straight guys go ONLY after women
bi guys go for women and men but not trannies
asexual don't like anyone, to put it short
pansexual like everyone

we should invent more identities and then name them:
1)those who like trannies
2)those who like women and trannies
3)those who like men and trannies
4)those who like men, women and trannies (oh no, in this case they have a name already, pansexual)

[THEbottom]

Does it matter ? Whatever kind of sex you like you are who and what you are ! Labels are for morons !

[Laphroaig]

we should invent more identities and then name them:
1)those who like trannies
2)those who like women and trannies
3)those who like men and trannies
4)those who like men, women and trannies (oh no, in this case they have a name already, pansexual)

A better idea would be to stop referring to them as trannies...

[Prince Vlad]

A better idea would be to stop referring to them as trannies...

I'm a newby, is it offensive?
I use both shemales and trannies with the same meaning

[gaiseric]

That proves you are a newbie. Try doing some research into terminology and what is acceptable before quoting the words in posts.

[Laphroaig]

I'm a newby, is it offensive?
I use both shemales and trannies with the same meaning

There's no single correct answer to that question. Tranny is more of a porn term which many find offensive. Shemale, some don't like the term, some don't mind.

Generally best not to use tranny, particularly if you meet one...

[giovanni_hotel]

Shemale is a straight porn word and if you call a TS one IRL you're going to be put on her shit list.
Tranny is somewhat more acceptable on message boards but iRL it's still kind of a slur.

Like calling someone you don't know a bitch/hoe, in which case it's not a term of endearment.

IF you meet or encounter a TS, you either refer to them by their chosen NAME, or she, or transgendered.

If she hints she doesn't have an issue being called something else, you follow her cues.

[broncofan]

The problem is not that the threads keep sprouting up but that they get bumped when they've gone dormant for months. No blame for someone who sees it on the first page and adds something to it but who are these cretins who keep finding them in the archives and think they have something new to say on the subject.

[Sinista]

I would say straight,On top of it there isn't shit straight about this lifestyle @ fuckin all

[Laphroaig]

I would say straight,On top of it there isn't shit straight about this lifestyle @ fuckin all

So, straight...and not straight. I'm so glad you cleared that up for us...:dead:

[APD2]

I'm a newby, is it offensive?
I use both shemales and trannies with the same meaning
To my mind,shemale and-for that matter -trap(a transsexual trying to "trap" or fool a guy) are more offensive terms.

For me, tranny is just a slangy version of transgendered. But unlike "n*gger" in relation to "negro",I never thought it was ever a term of outright abuse.

Certain "transactivists" have campaigned against the word in recent years . I'm not sure why. Maybe the word tranny is a bit too much of a "street" term and they want a more respectable term, for members of the community. Maybe,the use of the word tranny reveals that the speaker casually lumps together part-timers, such as crossdressers or transvestites ,with fulltime transsexuals. This is something transactivists,who consider themselves medically diagnosed "genuine transseuxals", might not like.

[transsexualover]

If the guy is bottom and prefers transgirls over girls then would you consider such guy straight, bisexual or gay? Ps. Im new here so if i said something wrong - dont be mad at me, ty

[giovanni_hotel]

If the guy is bottom and prefers transgirls over girls then would you consider such guy straight, bisexual or gay? Ps. Im new here so if i said something wrong - dont be mad at me, ty

From my experience bottom guys who prefer TS women over GGs, typically will bottom for other dudes too.

I find it hard to believe any guy who likes it up the ass will restrict himself only to TS women to satisfy that sexual urge.

As for whether such a man is gay, straight or bi, who knows??
Most straight folk believe any time there's two dicks in the same bed having sex, it's automatically gay.
However there are a ton of masculine, straight identified guys who love trannies and GGs that no one would ever call gay unless they knew about their sex and personal life.

I've been into TS chicks for a while now, and been called all three.
Yet I consider myself "straight" because I still dig GGs too.

Doesn't really matter, does it??
Most hetero dudes will think you're a fag anyway for fucking with transwomen.lol

[transsexualover]

From my experience bottom guys who prefer TS women over GGs, typically will bottom for other dudes too.

I find it hard to believe any guy who likes it up the ass will restrict himself only to TS women to satisfy that sexual urge.

As for whether such a man is gay, straight or bi, who knows??
Most straight folk believe any time there's two dicks in the same bed having sex, it's automatically gay.
However there are a ton of masculine, straight identified guys who love trannies and GGs that no one would ever call gay unless they knew about their sex and personal life.

I've been into TS chicks for a while now, and been called all three.
Yet I consider myself "straight" because I still dig GGs too.

Doesn't really matter, does it??
Most hetero dudes will think you're a fag anyway for fucking with transwomen.lol

Would you consider a bottom guy who prefers transgirls over girls straight bi or gay? I mean in your imho. Or u not sure?

[giovanni_hotel]

Would you consider a bottom guy who prefers transgirls over girls straight bi or gay? I mean in your imho. Or u not sure?

Honestly I wouldn't think much about it. Firstly, I doubt that's something I would know, exactly WHAT kind of sex the guy and tgirl are having in private.

Someone being a 'man' or 'woman' to me is about more than what kind of sex they prefer.
For instance there are thousands of hetero men I'm sure who enjoy receiving ass play from their CIS girlfriends and think it's awesome when they get topped by their GFs.

Is a lesbian any less gay because she loves to get 'fucked' with strapons and didoes by other women??

Who the genitals are attached to is more important IMO than any sex act.
IMO if you're a self identified man who's attracted to other men, you're gay.
Transwomen are a different kind of woman, but they definitely aren't MEN.

Back to the original question, I guess the important question to ask is how do YOU identify yourself??

If getting assfucked by a TS suddenly makes you physically and emotionally attracted to men and a desire to fucked by them, exclusively, I'd probably consider that person gay.

For unfamiliar straight folks who don't understand my sexuality, I let them call me bi and call it a day.

[transsexualover]

Honestly I wouldn't think much about it. Firstly, I doubt that's something I would know, exactly WHAT kind of sex the guy and tgirl are having in private.

Someone being a 'man' or 'woman' to me is about more than what kind of sex they prefer.
For instance there are thousands of hetero men I'm sure who enjoy receiving ass play from their CIS girlfriends and think it's awesome when they get topped by their GFs.

Is a lesbian any less gay because she loves to get 'fucked' with strapons and didoes by other women??

Who the genitals are attached to is more important IMO than any sex act.
IMO if you're a self identified man who's attracted to other men, you're gay.
Transwomen are a different kind of woman, but they definitely aren't MEN.

Back to the original question, I guess the important question to ask is how do YOU identify yourself??

If getting assfucked by a TS suddenly makes you physically and emotionally attracted to men and a desire to fucked by them, exclusively, I'd probably consider that person gay.

For unfamiliar straight folks who don't understand my sexuality, I let them call me bi and call it a day.

I dont think it works that way. You can be assfucked by ts and dont like guys at all. Or you can be topped by either ts or guys. But i dont think that if u like being reciever with ts that automatically ensures that u like being fucked by a guy. Anyway even if you like both then i dont see a problem here.

[tacocorpv2]

If the guy is bottom and prefers transgirls over girls then would you consider such guy straight, bisexual or gay? Ps. Im new here so if i said something wrong - dont be mad at me, ty

I would say if you're not attracted to men then you are more or less straight with a slight variation. At the end of the day these are all just labels and if you don't care for them you will probably be happier.

Well and as for the post above, if you like both (ts women and men), then you would be certainly bi in my opinion (to answer your question)

[xuto]

Society. Media !!! Labels everything!!
Enjoy what you like♡

[giovanni_hotel]

I dont think it works that way. You can be assfucked by ts and dont like guys at all. Or you can be topped by either ts or guys. But i dont think that if u like being reciever with ts that automatically ensures that u like being fucked by a guy. Anyway even if you like both then i dont see a problem here.

That's the point. It's really no else's business except your own and whoever else in sharing your bed.

[ILoveTransWomen]

I'm attracted to both TGs and GGs. I have no desire to be topped by a TG, and thus am not compatible with any strict top Girls. I considers myself to be mostly straight, slightly bi. Others may differ, but that's how I see it.

[LovinThaTSLadiez]

Labels, labels. I am definitely bi. Why? Because I like cock. Even if I only like it on a feminine, girly person whether they consider themselves transgender, femboy or whatever. It doesn't matter. I like to top, be topped, give and receive oral sex, so I certainly consider myself bi.

[RACQUEL]

Don't care one bit about the Label,as long as they want to Fuck Me Im good!!

[Budweiser]

I've been with both TS and women in my life. They all have different opinions on the topic. Some women have told me I'm bi and transgendered women have called me everything from straight, bi, and gay. Would love to hear everyone's thoughts.

This is a riddle, wrapped up in a mystery, encased in an enigma.

[CoolAwesomeBXDude]

in the straight community, its considered gay. in the gay community, its considered straight.

my personal opinion... i dont give a fuck

[holzz]

no offence to anybody, but then this thread is years old, and people provide the same answers. it's common sense, if a person looks, acts and IS woman, then it's straight.

[holzz]

it's definiely shades of grey though, but even if a guy bottoms, then he cannot be gay if he'd never bottom for a cis man. i think for some it's about a woman fucking them, and that turns them on.

[profmopar]

Very much straight in my view. Transgender women are, just that, women. Personally, I love the post-op girls. I even have had the very good fortune to have been in a long-term relationship with a very pretty one. In the end, unfortunately, it didn't work out, but we are still good friends. I can say from personal experience, she understood me in ways, no other woman ever had. She didn't have tantrums if I had to work late (in my then profession, it happened quite often). She was (and still is) extremely girly. In fact, I can only recall a very few occasions she wore anything but a dress or a skirt. Always had her hair, make-up, and nails done. She absolutely loves being a girl. As I love very feminine, "girly" women, she made me extremely happy. Yet, she was just as big a mystery to me as a genetic girl.

[handsumjack]

PAN I love it all.

[Upsetwife]

Guys that only like girls and ts girls are straight, not even bi.

Even if they enjoy sucking their cock? Surely they would have to be at least bi?

[MrFanti]

Why must everyone have a label attached?

[Subsonic]

I don't know if maybe someone has already mentioned something like what I'm about to say but I look at it like this; If simply liking a tranny means you like dick and therefore are gay, you're saying that it is 100 percent about the dick. By that logic, you as a heterosexual male should be attracted to a female to male trans that has huge muscles, deep voice, hard face, hairy back and caveman beard but still has her vagina because that's what it's all about and nothing else. Same for an ugly 600 pound woman. She has a vagina, yes but do any men want her? No. It's easy to see now that it is not nearly as simple as genitalia. At puberty, we develop secondary sexual characteristics, male features in boys and female features in girls. The female form and presence as it appears is nearly 100 percent of what triggers attraction from men. If a trans woman exudes all of these feminine characteristics, then the presence of a dick is not what the men found attractive. To some guys, it is simply a unique and unusual feature on an otherwise complete woman. If a man is gay, he wants the full presence of a masculine man, not just dick. When I came across trans women as a teen, I was attracted to them because they look like women, not because they have dicks. Being attracted to the female form, shape and energy is what makes a straight man, not simply a vagina and nothing else. And as an added bonus, a trans woman understands men like no natural born woman can or cares to.

[syla]

That is such a beautiful and correct answer. But I love ts women and they've crossed me over to the gay/curious life...which I believe is the answer. That it's not gay. But can easily gateway you into it.

From femboys to xdressers to twinks and hooray!! You're in the gay section. Lol. Look at how at the adult stores next to gay is the "shemale".

Okaythankyoubye

[THEbottom]

Men that are attracted to Transsexuals are quite simply HUMANS !!! All the other stupid labels you talk about are meaningless----grow up and become a HUMAN !!!

[dirtrail]

I consider myself straight and have been with both ts girls and genetic girls equally. I have a strong attraction to femininity. The ts girls I’ve been with preferred me over others because I look, behave, date GGs, and am very masculine. I do not have fixation on their girl cock when having sex and most perfer it that way. In fact, one trans girl didn’t want to touch her cock at all. Soo I don’t know maybe if the cock is your goal you’re “gay/bi” 🤷♂️

[tacocorpv2]

Even if they enjoy sucking their cock? Surely they would have to be at least bi?

So would going down on you make me bi as well? :D

[qeuqheeg222]

whocares? y'all are too "hung" up on labels...you like what you like in a spectrum of individuals..i like a wide range of women from bbw,fitness type women,skinnny girls with bubble butts and lots of different types of t-girls.set yourself free from the labels and be strong with yourself and what you love.

[Fitzcarraldo]

whocares? y'all are too "hung" up on labels...you like what you like in a spectrum of individuals..i like a wide range of women from bbw,fitness type women,skinnny girls with bubble butts and lots of different types of t-girls.set yourself free from the labels and be strong with yourself and what you love.

Nice collection of labels there! :D

[Upsetwife]

So would going down on you make me bi as well? :D

Depends if you are a male or a female! If you are a male or a woman who has sex with both males and females then that would make you bi correct?

[slave2u]

stop worrying about the labels and just remember you are doing whoever for the pleasure of it.

[harry24844722]

For someone upset at finding out their husband is straying with TS girls you seem quite calm in this thread? Are you trying to understand him or come to terms with it? Not criticising just curious?

[Upsetwife]

For someone upset at finding out their husband is straying with TS girls you seem quite calm in this thread? Are you trying to understand him or come to terms with it? Not criticising just curious?

Both I guess. I haven't been calm at all while I'm at home alone and he's at work. My neighbours must of wandered what all the screaming and crying was about when I 1st found this. I've tried so hard yo confront him about it but just find myself claming up. I have suggested a strap on which I thought may have given him some clue that I knee but he just rejected the idea saying it was taking it too far for him. I've dropped so many hints for him to admit things to me and then we can talk and work through it and sort out some kind of compromise as I want to keep my marriage as love him so much but he's just not getting it or maybe he is and he's just as scared to open up to me as I am to him

[mikelangelo1]

i could say gay, under circumstances...

[mikelangelo1]

Both I guess. I haven't been calm at all while I'm at home alone and he's at work. My neighbours must of wandered what all the screaming and crying was about when I 1st found this. I've tried so hard yo confront him about it but just find myself claming up. I have suggested a strap on which I thought may have given him some clue that I knee but he just rejected the idea saying it was taking it too far for him. I've dropped so many hints for him to admit things to me and then we can talk and work through it and sort out some kind of compromise as I want to keep my marriage as love him so much but he's just not getting it or maybe he is and he's just as scared to open up to me as I am to him
i think u both need time to adjust to the new situation..he may feel embarrashed to open himself to u for the moment, but if u insist with genuine interest and not critishism , he will sourender to u..anyone who wants to save his/her marriage has to do patience and be determinded.

[dirtrail]

I agree with this.


i think u both need time to adjust to the new situation..he may feel embarrashed to open himself to u for the moment, but if u insist with genuine interest and not critishism , he will sourender to u..anyone who wants to save his/her marriage has to do patience and be determinded.

[Upsetwife]

i think u both need time to adjust to the new situation..he may feel embarrashed to open himself to u for the moment, but if u insist with genuine interest and not critishism , he will sourender to u..anyone who wants to save his/her marriage has to do patience and be determinded.
You are totally right. I'm just going to carry on dropping hints and suggesting we try different things making it sound like it's my idea then hopefully someday he will open up to me
I've told him things about my past that were difficult to admit to and I'm embarrassed about some if it but I told him cause I song think you should keep them kind of things from your partner
Hopefully soon he sill feel the same and open up to me

[handsumjack]

PAN Sexual

[JoeyBranning]

straight