Ask Prospero anything...thread

[tsadriana]

You can ask him about food,drink,journeys,sex anything you like guys and girls.:)

[my my my!]

Prospero, im a big fan of yours, also my wife, we realy enjoy your sexuality doing girls tgirls and even guys! still being you hot for everybody. Would like to know:
1 whos cum taste better or turns you on more , vanity or kimber james,
2 whoms tg cum taste turns you on more, and whoms cum would u like to taste you have yet.
3 On guys side wich "straight" male porn star would you like to fuck or eat his cum .
4 Also would like to know if you are in to foot fetish my wife loves yours, and would love to send her pics to you not yours

Thanks and keep the good work and the good vibe!

[Prospero]

You are a wicked witch Adriana....

and as for my my my's questions... go leap into the deepest sea my friend... your questions are ludicrous

[tsadriana]

You are a wicked witch Adriana....

and as for my my my's questions... go leap into the deepest sea my friend... your questions are ludicrous
At least on your lunch breaks you can answer to the questions on here.:)

[RallyCola]

hey prospero....how does one suck a fuck?

Suck a Fuck - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEnCX7KfgtI)

[hulloo458]

i must admit I've been thinking about pretending to be u on a punt so receive a somewhat memorable time.....your good at what u do, and i don't mean having sex!

[nysprod]

i must admit I've been thinking about pretending to be u on a punt so receive a somewhat memorable time.....your good at what u do, and i don't mean having sex!

Brilliant...ol' Pros has quite thing going on...lol.

[TSBootyLondon]

I think maybe you tried it! About 6 weeks ago a guy called and booked 2 hours with Georgina, said his name was PROSPERO, so I asked what his real name was and he said aamon, he had a thick (meaning strong) Irish accent

I laughed knowing the man himself is in fact German ;-))

Serious note it did happen, he was Irish, he stayed 2 hours and never wrote a review!

X


i must admit I've been thinking about pretending to be u on a punt so receive a somewhat memorable time.....your good at what u do, and i don't mean having sex!

[maxpower]

Prospero, I think my my my! was having a bit of fun with you. He just took the ridiculous questions luccas posted in the Christian thread and posed them to you - word for word.

[luccas]

Prospero, I think my my my! was having a bit of fun with you. He just took the ridiculous questions luccas posted in the Christian thread and posed them to you - word for word.

And by far, but by far a more inteligent answer from Prospero than the idiotic duh.. Christian's idiotic.. duh... answer! :Bowdown:

[Jackal]

Who is Prospero? What does he or she like to drink? Sanka?

[my my my!]

You are a wicked witch Adriana....

and as for my my my's questions... go leap into the deepest sea my friend... your questions are ludicrous

I see no reason for your rude manners dude ! to bad you have lost another couple of retarded fans! .....even your insult its a condition not an insult but it speaks for yourself and show us your truly face and also gives credit to all rumors about you... to bad to find it in person and in public that they were true and i was wrong it must be because duh duh er duh im retarded that i could not find it before or is it may be because you dont speak enough to find it in your video lines thanks God ..I felt sorry for myself and not have to say for whom else. keep it sucking to live!

:)

[luccas]

Prospero, I think my my my! was having a bit of fun with you. He just took the ridiculous questions luccas posted in the Christian thread and posed them to you - word for word.

[QUOTE=my my my!;1406039]I see no reason for your rude manners dude ! to bad you have lost another couple of retarded fans! .....even your insult its a condition not an insult but it speaks for yourself and show us your truly face and also gives credit to all rumors about you... to bad to find it in person and in public that they were true and i was wrong it must be because duh duh er duh im retarded that i could not find it before or is it may be because you dont speak enough to find it in your video lines thanks God ..I felt sorry for myself and not have to say for whom else. keep it sucking to live!

:)[/QUOTe

Hehehe the same reaction I had what a coincidence....
duh dhu .... but there is a diference, dhu dhu duh christian dude er duh in a couple of years just check the life style and year income of the bald one, just sit for a while as watching a porn flicks and u'll see ... :salad... the bald who?

[Prospero]

Okay... so you though my reply duh duh erm duh was duh um rude....

Here we go then


Prospero, im a big fan of yours, also my wife, we realy enjoy your sexuality doing girls tgirls and even guys! still being you hot for everybody. Would like to know:

1 whos cum taste better or turns you on more , vanity or kimber james,

Oh Vanity and kimber james... though I've not met either

2 whoms tg cum taste turns you on more, and whoms cum would u like to taste you have yet.

PARIS

3 On guys side which "straight" male porn star would you like to fuck or eat his cum .

David Niven. But only when added to thinly sliced cucumber sandwiches

4 Also would like to know if you are in to foot fetish my wife loves yours, and would love to send her pics to you not yours

I'll happily view pictures of your wife's feet. But only if she is wearing very expensive shoes like Prada or Louboutin.

Thanks and keep the good work and the good vibe!

[Prospero]

I doubt there are rumours about me... though i'm amused that a Germen pretended to be me by pretending to have an irish accent. I have a very broad Australian accent as anyone who has met me knows.

Oh and just so y'all know - no girl I have ever met for the first time has ever known, in advance, who I am other than just another customer.

A sort of sexual secret shopper.

[Prospero]

Jackal. I enjoy water.

Also single malt whisky. Champagne. Good red wine. Lots of strong coffee. A decent bourbon. Chablis. Strong tea.

[RallyCola]

I doubt there are rumours about me... though i'm amused that a Germen pretended to be me by pretending to have an irish accent. I have a very broad Australian accent as anyone who has met me knows.

Oh and just so y'all know - no girl I have ever met for the first time has ever known, in advance, who I am other than just another customer.

A sort of sexual secret shopper.

but who are you really? do any of us really know who we are or are we residual self image...a mental projection of our digital selves?

[Prospero]

My real name? Ok. it's Rally Cola.

[RallyCola]

then i must be the dude playing the dude disguised as the other dude.

[Prospero]

Probably... or as the immortal John Ono Lennon once sang "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together."

[trish]

We be what we is what we are what we yam.

[Jericho]

I doubt there are rumours about me.

Oh trust me, there are...I started them! :shrug

[tsadriana]

Oh trust me, there are...I started them! :shrug
I know that :wiggle:

[Ananke]

Is Prospero the Holy Grail then?

[nysprod]

How's Kat doing...she doesn't come on here much anymore...wonder why.

[TSBootyLondon]

I think I may be having a blonde morning!

Aamon was very Irish, you Sir I thought were German! Blimey have I got that wrong to!! Have I been giving a fake German dude preferential treatment ;-))
(JOKING!)
xx



I doubt there are rumours about me... though i'm amused that a Germen pretended to be me by pretending to have an irish accent. I have a very broad Australian accent as anyone who has met me knows.

Oh and just so y'all know - no girl I have ever met for the first time has ever known, in advance, who I am other than just another customer.

A sort of sexual secret shopper.

[Prospero]

Katherine is spending a lot of her time studying these days I understand. A near full time student.

[Jericho]

I know that :wiggle:

I was especially proud of the one about the German midget, the golf ball and the baby seal!
Wot a fekkin pervert!!! :ignore:

[tsadriana]

What do you like the most in a girl?

[Prospero]

Italianess lol... i already answered the rest of this question in the other thread!

kindness, charm, wit, intelligence, beauty, honesty, generosity, a good set of moral values,
a great sense of humour, tolerance

[RallyCola]

Prospero....will the kanye/kim marriage be the event of the decade and will they live happily ever after together?

[Prospero]

Which Kim is this? Kim Novak? I don't give it a chance

[BellaBellucci]

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck wasn't gay?

... and by wood, I mean, you know. And by 'you know,' I mean dick. ;)

~BB~

[Prospero]

Dick supposes his dick is dicky, is tricky to get sticky ... oh i give up. I can't compete this early

moses supposes - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKlub5vB9z8)

[tsmirandameadows]

Prospero, will you marry me?

Or at least give me a hug? Feeling a tad stressed at the moment. D:

[Prospero]

The ring is in the post.... sorry you're not feeling so good Mrs Prospero. How about a nice cup of tea?

[tsmirandameadows]

The ring is in the post.... sorry you're not feeling so good Mrs Prospero. How about a nice cup of tea?

Sounds perfect, love. :)

[Prospero]

well my magical powers are a tad limited this early in the morning.... the magic carpet is in the loft, the wand is tucked away (uh) and I haven't got my glasses so the book of spells is illegible. Coffee is magic though, right now

[tsmirandameadows]

well my magical powers are a tad limited this early in the morning.... the magic carpet is in the loft, the wand is tucked away (uh) and I haven't got my glasses so the book of spells is illegible. Coffee is magic though, right now

Coffee or tea, coming from you, will be magical either way, I'm sure.

[Prospero]

awwww.... that is a questionable assertion Ms Meadows.

[BellaBellucci]

well my magical powers are a tad limited this early in the morning.... the magic carpet is in the loft, the wand is tucked away (uh) and I haven't got my glasses so the book of spells is illegible. Coffee is magic though, right now

http://veggiewhatnow.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/12.jpg

Be yourself. Unless you can be Captain Janeway. ALWAYS be Captain Janeway.

~BB~

[Prospero]

Now of the Startrek mandate that is the one that seems to get overlooked. But I loved it

[tsmirandameadows]

awwww.... that is a questionable assertion Ms Meadows.

Questionable or no, your affection towards me has yielded my affection back. You're a sweetheart, Prospero. I wish you weren't so far away, because in person affection from you now would be such a lovely relief.

I'm sorry. I'm just stressed/nervous/scared/uncertain and wish I could have certainty about something right now.

[Prospero]

Miranda... certainty about anything is a pretty unattainable quality. I am truly sorry to hear you are so troubled. It will get better, I am sure. I am also sure there are souls closer at hand to offer some balm. All I can be here is a voice on the web :-(

[tsmirandameadows]

I am also sure there are souls closer at hand to offer some balm.

Not really. Pretty alone and pretty sick of it. Sorry, kinda hijacking your thread.

[Prospero]

You can hijack any of the threads I am in Miranda. or a PM if you prefer.

[tsadriana]

You can hijack any of the threads I am in Miranda. or a PM if you prefer.

Can i hijack u with a question?What did you had for breakfast?or did you had your breakfast yet?:)

[Prospero]

I had my breakfast hours ago. Bread with sunflower seeds, sun dried tomatoes and cheese.

[tsadriana]

I had my breakfast hours ago. Bread with sunflower seeds, sun dried tomatoes and cheese.
And i asked u 5 hours a go.:)

[tsadriana]

I know and since then we spoke and I went to the dentist and had lunch with a friend. So I didn't see your question until now. lol
Yes it was just before we spooke on the phone xx

[Prospero]

.... :-)

[raconteur]

Prospero,

Can you help me identify this hung cutie?

And, where on this board can I post this info to get maximum exposure?

I have tried every trick I know to identify her and struck out!

Thanks for listening ...

[Prospero]

You can ask me anything - but i don't promise to know the answer or even to offer an answer...lol

and sorry Raconteur, identifying porn stars is way outside of my area of expertise. Try reposting (wthout the video link to stolen material) on the main forum as a tyhread in itself. I'm sure lots will know who the lady in question is.

[lg775n]

She is Patricia Andrade:

http://www.shemalestardb.com/stars/P/Patricia_Andrade/

[Prospero]

There you go Raconteur! Ask Prospero anything and someone will answer.

[RallyCola]

prospero....if your life was on the line and you had to blow ryan gosling or your best friend...which one?

[Prospero]

My best friend.... who happens to be female

[TSBootyLondon]

Why do we call it blowing when not allot of blowing actually takes place?

x


My best friend.... who happens to be female

[GroobySteven]

Why do we call it blowing when not allot of blowing actually takes place?

x


I'll give you a demonstration when I see you.

[TSBootyLondon]

Sir I am honoured and shall make sure that I am prepared for your demonstration! :-)
Let us know when you have stored up enough wind! xx




I'll give you a demonstration when I see you.

[Prospero]

Erotic liaisons hatched on my thread!!!!! Whatever next

[bluesoul]

Erotic liaisons hatched on my thread!!!!! Whatever next

a marriage proposal?

prospero... would you do me the honor?

[TSBootyLondon]

Well if Bella is going to get a review she had better make it count lol! x


Erotic liaisons hatched on my thread!!!!! Whatever next

[Prospero]

But you are surely a male of the species, bluesoul

[Prospero]

True and who better to review the mysterious Bella than our owner

[TSBootyLondon]

I tell you what if His Highness backs out on his promise I can give you second dibs if you like :-))


True and who better to review the mysterious Bella than our owner

[Prospero]

I would be honoured. Lol

[BellaBellucci]

I would be honoured. Lol

Why do you spell 'honored' with a 'u?' Why can't you speak American? :whistle:

~BB~

[TSBootyLondon]

Tomatoes Tomato

We speak perfectly good American Bella! :wiggle:


Why do you spell 'honored' with a 'u?' Why can't you speak American? :whistle:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Tomatoes Tomato

We speak perfectly good American Bella! :wiggle:

'Potatoe.' ~Dan Quayle

~BB~

[Brassai]

Prospero, why do you use a photo from Sergei Eisenstein's movie "Ivan the Terrible" instead of a pic of John Gielgud playing Prospero in the wonderful Peter Greenaway movie "Prospero's Books"?... or you could go sci-fi Prospero with a pic of Walter Pidgeon as Morbius in "Forbidden Planet" I suppose

[Prospero]

And why do you use the name of one of the greatest french photographers of the 20th century?

I use pictures i like. I've used all those you referred to in the past. I like change.

[Prospero]

You say tomato and i say tomato

[Gillian]

I say pretentious ... :lol:

[Prospero]

Who? Shelf?

[Ananke]

Why do you spell 'honored' with a 'u?' Why can't you speak American? :whistle:

~BB~
The english invented english, so it would only be normal for the english to speak english english and not american english....see what I mean?:lol:

[broncofan]

Ananke,
I bet you she was being sarcastic (even self-deprecating) by playing on the well-known stereotype that Americans are oblivious to the contributions of other cultures, even ones from whom the language we speak derived.

Anyhow, even if we weren't the first to speak English, we pretty much own it and the rest of the English speaking world*.

*ditto the first paragraph

[Stavros]

The english invented english, so it would only be normal for the english to speak english english and not american english....see what I mean?:lol:

Not really -the English language may have been developed here, but the original tongues of the inhabitants were more likely Celtic/Brythonic, with the early versions of English imported from what is today Germany and Denmark. Throw in the Latin of the Romans and the other invaders from c55BC and the early centuries of the first millenium AD, and you arrive at Chaucer's 'Middle English' with the supposition that the English we speak today was becoming settled between the 13th and 16th centuries. There is no more entertaining journey through the development of words and phrases in English than The Etymologicon (2011) by Mark Forsythe. For example, the word SHIT has interesting origins, not as an acronym for 'Store High In Transit', but this:
"Shit can be traced back to the Old English verb scitan (which meant exactly what it does today) and further back to Proto-Germanic Skit (the Germans still say scheisse) and all the way to the Proto-Indo-European word (c4000 BC) Skei which meant to separate or divide, presumably on the basis that you separated yourself from your faeces. Shed (as in shed your skin) comes from the same root, as does schism (p60).

[TSBootyLondon]

BB you write Irish beautifully :-))

x BA


'Potatoe.' ~Dan Quayle

~BB~

[TSBootyLondon]

All that History and the Youth of today have taken the wonderful and elegant language, twisted it, tweaked it beyond recognition, abbreviated it, lost sight of it and now portray themselves as illiterate!

Nothing grates harder on my skin than calling the bank and the young man at the end of the line forgets himself and uses the word 'safe' (and wasn't referring to the volt in the basement!)

I guess its a sign of the times and we need to roll with it! You get me! ;-)

x


Not really -the English language may have been developed here, but the original tongues of the inhabitants were more likely Celtic/Brythonic, with the early versions of English imported from what is today Germany and Denmark. Throw in the Latin of the Romans and the other invaders from c55BC and the early centuries of the first millenium AD, and you arrive at Chaucer's 'Middle English' with the supposition that the English we speak today was becoming settled between the 13th and 16th centuries. There is no more entertaining journey through the development of words and phrases in English than The Etymologicon (2011) by Mark Forsythe. For example, the word SHIT has interesting origins, not as an acronym for 'Store High In Transit', but this:
"Shit can be traced back to the Old English verb scitan (which meant exactly what it does today) and further back to Proto-Germanic Skit (the Germans still say scheisse) and all the way to the Proto-Indo-European word (c4000 BC) Skei which meant to separate or divide, presumably on the basis that you separated yourself from your faeces. Shed (as in shed your skin) comes from the same root, as does schism (p60).

[Rockit_]

Would you rather fight one horse-sized duck, or one hundred duck-sized horses?

[hulloo458]

All that History and the Youth of today have taken the wonderful and elegant language, twisted it, tweaked it beyond recognition, abbreviated it, lost sight of it and now portray themselves as illiterate!

Nothing grates harder on my skin than calling the bank and the young man at the end of the line forgets himself and uses the word 'safe' (and wasn't referring to the volt in the basement!)

I guess its a sign of the times and we need to roll with it! You get me! ;-)

x

vault*

[BellaBellucci]

BB you write Irish beautifully :-))

x BA

Ouch! :lol:

~BB~

[Prospero]

All the Bellas. I am enjoying the surreal offerings here. Thanks ladies

[raconteur]

She is Patricia Andrade:

http://www.shemalestardb.com/stars/P/Patricia_Andrade/

THANK YOU lg!

You are da Man!

I am ... most grateful :Bowdown:

[raconteur]

There you go Raconteur! Ask Prospero anything and someone will answer.

Thank you for the thread ... it's a winner !!! :claps

[TSBootyLondon]

lol... It wasn't a slur BB !
Here in the UK we have a comedian called Keith Lemon....

Potato News - Celebrity Juice - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erq3P1GG0ek)

... Being Irish I often hear the chant 'potato' in a fake Irish voice! xx

According to Keith (Who I find fabulous) us Irish can only say the word potato!

:-))

Was being silly is awl xx



Ouch! :lol:

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

lol... It wasn't a slur BB !
Here in the UK we have a comedian called Keith Lemon....

Potato News - Celebrity Juice - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erq3P1GG0ek)

... Being Irish I often hear the chant 'potato' in a fake Irish voice! xx

According to Keith (Who I find fabulous) us Irish can only say the word potato!

:-))

Was being silly is awl xx

I didn't think it was a slur towards me. I knew exactly towards whom it was aimed.

You UK-ians are a trip. :lol:

~BB~

[TSBootyLondon]

And we say you Americans have no sense of humour ? Lol

Us Brits can be very stiff! Xx


I didn't think it was a slur towards me. I knew exactly towards whom it was aimed.

You UK-ians are a trip. :lol:

~BB~

[Prospero]

"Us brits can be very stiff."

Oh yes... and you should know lol

[BellaBellucci]

And we say you Americans have no sense of humour ? Lol

Us Brits can be very stiff! Xx

There's that 'u' again! :P

~BB~

[Prospero]

You and non you

[Prospero]

You essay

[martin48]

You and non you

yes play the game to see if you are truly upper class

http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz290950214f3d8.html

[hulloo458]

sick of this guy.....but heres my question...are you real?

[Prospero]

Hello Hulloo.... are you real?

Why are you sick of me? We have common interests.

[hulloo458]

Hello Hulloo.... are you real?

Why are you sick of me? We have common interests.

i know i'm kidding....i love u and u really do help a dude out.... :)

[martin48]

i know i'm kidding....i love u and u really do help a dude out.... :)

This is like some weird Turing test - or these days SIRI. Is there a real Prospero or is he a clever(ish) computer program that answers you?

I suspect the latter. Prove me wrong????

[hulloo458]

he is real...i have been him on a number of occasions....kidding again

[Prospero]

I've seen him too... sorry I am kidding too

[TSBootyLondon]

Your not Irish and go by the name Aamon by any chance are you!?

Martin48 I think you could be onto something! although if he is a computer program thats quite a few broads out there who have been prodded mysteriously!



he is real...i have been him on a number of occasions....kidding again

[hulloo458]

Your not Irish and go by the name Aamon by any chance are you!?

Martin48 I think you could be onto something! although if he is a computer program thats quite a few broads out there who have been prodded mysteriously!

lol i read about the irish guy...no i am not him!

[VictoriaVeil]

How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

[nysprod]

In the "Don't ask Rivz Anything Thread" is Rivz Dino?

[BellaBellucci]

How much wood can a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?


How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck wasn't gay?

... and by wood, I mean, you know. And by 'you know,' I mean dick. ;)


You're a li'l bit late on this one. :lol:

~BB~

[martin48]

..... who have been prodded mysteriously!


I've done a bit of this in my time - came as quite surprise to them I can tell you.

[Prospero]

Maybe i should change my name to Prodder al mysterioso? Whoops YOU are meant to ask the questions not me lol

[FIRSTTIMER]

Prospero - You have your three favorite t-girls on your bed ready to fuck.

Who is in your ass? Who is in your mouth? and Who is on your dick?

[Prospero]

Only three?

[martin48]

Only three?

Hang on - we ask the questions!

[FIRSTTIMER]

Only three?
Make you choice wise. :dancing:

[Prospero]

Choice... a long one in the mouth, a long one in my ass and a deep one with nice boobs to sit upon my cock

and they all have to be ace kissers

[FIRSTTIMER]

Choice... a long one in the mouth, a long one in my ass and a deep one with nice boobs to sit upon my cock

and they all have to be ace kissers
Sneaky. :lol:

But you never said "Who" as in the questions. :wink:

[hulloo458]

who loves orange soda?

[Prospero]

I don't...

[TSBootyLondon]

We talking Fanta or Tanga!???

If your talking the Panda brand I am out!

I have a friend who drinks whisky and orange soda!.. :-/.. Myself give me a vodka, lime and still water any day!


who loves orange soda?

[Prospero]

Orange soda always has way too much sugar. Plain soda is okay as a mixer.
Give me a single malt irish whisky... or a good Champagne (Veuve Clicquot f'instance) or good red wine.

[hulloo458]

i guess i'm the only one who watched kenan and kel

[Prospero]

Duh...

[BellaBellucci]

We talking Fanta or Tanga!???

If your talking the Panda brand I am out!

I have a friend who drinks whisky and orange soda!.. :-/.. Myself give me a vodka, lime and still water any day!

Three Orange Whips - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRp8GrXffhA)

~BB~

[tsadriana]

Duh...
Who will be the next for takeng for the team?:mad:

[Prospero]

A mystery wrapped in an enigma, Adriana

[TSBootyLondon]

Ahhhhh.. I got there there in the end! Takes me a little time to catch up with everyone else once in a while LOL...

What a classic film. I love the Blues brothers, that police chase for its day was fantastic!

Here's an extract from Wiki.... useless fact from BA...
The drink was not in the original script. The costumer on the film, Sue Dugan, is the daughter of the late Kenny Dugan, Director of Sales for the Orange Whip Corporation. Mr. Dugan had been providing refreshments for the cast and asked if "Orange Whip" (the non-alcoholic beverage product) could be mentioned in the film. John Landis, the director, mentioned this to Candy, who improvised the exchange

So you see it is not what you know.... It is who you know..


Three Orange Whips - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRp8GrXffhA)

~BB~

[Prospero]

Never wholly got The Blues Brothers. Just didn't do it for me

[Prospero]

Lays potato chips. Missed cultural reference

[Prospero]

Maybe YOU Adriana.....

[simonisthebest]

excuse me but who are you ? (serious question)

[Prospero]

A serious question deserves a serious answer. Species - Homo Sapiens. Residence - London, United Kingdom, Planet Earth. Gender - Male. Eyes - two both blue. Other distinguishing marks - birthmark in shape of Pitcairn island. Parents - one of each gender. Status - alive.

[Blackadder7]

Prospero, what's your monthly budget for seeing TGs?

Are you a professional? Ie barrister, doctor, architect? Or perhaps a computer programmer or newspaper man. I'm not trying to guess your identity but figure out how you afford your "dates".

How much do you figure you have spent on tgs?

[tsadriana]

Maybe YOU Adriana.....
Maybe me ?Never say never sugar :mad:

[Prospero]

How much do I spend on TGs? As much as it takes for me to be a happy guy... and i hope for them to be happy too. No more, no less.


Oh yes professional.

[tsadriana]

How much do I spend on TGs? As much as it takes for me to be a happy guy... and i hope for them to be happy too. No more, no less.


Oh yes professional.
Thats why we love you...:mad:

[hulloo458]

prospero...are u really ts adriana?

[Prospero]

No I am ts prospero

[hulloo458]

No I am ts prospero

hahahah that made me laugh

[hulloo458]

but on a serious note....who would win in a fight between you and Christianxxx

[TSBootyLondon]

Q: Do you know the numbers for this weekends lottery????
(I want to retire and promise that should you share this information that I
will hand you the keys to my kingdom and walk away :-)) :praying:

[hulloo458]

i know them. if u start a thread to ask me anything i will tell u.

[hulloo458]

ok serious question....are u all the escorts on london ladyboys in 1?

[Prospero]

In a fight with Christian? No contest. He would win. He gets paid to enjoy the girls. And has probably enjoyed ten times as many as me.

I got more hair than him.

[TSBootyLondon]

Of course!... :-))

In fact every single picture of a LondonLadyboy on the LLB website is actually me me photo shopped to the max to represent the girl of everybody's desires.

So anyone who dates a LLB girl is actual encountering a small part of me :-))

One day I could have a whopping package and a hunger for passion such as the always entertaining Honey
http://www.londonladyboys.com/gallery/ts-honey-/191
and another I could be the exotic and talented TS Dada waiting to dazzle you with my enchanting smile
http://www.londonladyboys.com/gallery/ts-dada-/188
and just sometimes for those who seek the throws of a fuller woman I am the bright and colourful busty Gisele
http://www.londonladyboys.com/gallery/ts-gisele--/209
For those who are undecided, like myself who is still trying to establish who the real Jenny is, I am mysterious and waiting for introduction!
http://www.londonladyboys.com/gallery/ts-jenny-/273

TEMPTED ANYONE ????


x BA

http://www.londonladyboys.com/gallery/ts-gisele--/209

ok serious question....are u all the escorts on london ladyboys in 1?

[Prospero]

The universal ladyboy... see ... I have others who stand in and answer the questions when I am in the maintenance lab for a re-tune

[tsadriana]

No I am ts prospero
Ts_Prospero ,i might change my name :mad:

[Prospero]

That'd be confusing... Adriana

[tsadriana]

That'd be confusing... Adriana
guys my fancy ts called Prospero :mad:

[Prospero]

Well than I have no choice but to be an Italian TS called Adriana... oh and while I am at it why don't i assume a few more identities?

[tsadriana]

Well than I have no choice but to be an Italian TS called Adriana... oh and while I am at it why don't i assume a few more identities?
Ts_Prospera it would be more suitable :mad:

[Prospero]

Of course it would...lol... except I am not a TS, really.

[tsadriana]

Of course it would...lol... except I am not a TS, really.
We can make you one,a beautiful one:mad:

[nysprod]

Is there any such thing as being too old to party with tgirl escorts? Not that I am right now...

[tsadriana]

Is there any such thing as being too old to party with tgirl escorts? Not that I am right now...
I dont thing there is a rule for being to old to party with tranny..You can be 60 if u have a heart like 20 :mad:

[Prospero]

I agree with Adriana. You're only as old as the girl you feel.
A girl told me the other day she has a regular who is 80. She has to help him up the stairs to her room? But otherwise he performs well.

[tsadriana]

I agree with Adriana. You're only as old as the girl you feel.
A girl told me the other day she has a regular who is 80. She has to help him up the stairs to her room? But otherwise he performs well.
Some olders can be best performers in bed than some youngest...All i can say most guys over 40,s i incline to belleve they are great in bed then the youngest ones...Most youngs not quite all fuck like rabbits and cum like pay as you go.:mad:

[nysprod]

Sounds good...actually, my goal is to have them find me one day keeled over with a smile on my face in some seedy hotel room...

[TSBootyLondon]

Some olders can be best performers in bed than some youngest...All i can say most guys over 40,s i incline to belleve they are great in bed then the youngest ones...Most youngs not quite all fuck like rabbits and cum like pay as you go.:mad:

Adriana I love your analogy ;-)

Personally I have always been attracted to the older guy. Give me Shaun Connery or Robert Dinero over Zac Teflon, Dicaprio any day of the week.

When I was younger I did not like Brad Pitt or Beckham, now what I will say as the years have passed the extent of their learning shows on their faces so it is probably a safe bet that given the chance I would destroy them both intimately lol!

Now there is a duo that Bella would like to experience!

[Prospero]

Okay ... now it can be revealed. My real name is Sean Connery.... 009.5 (well we always fib about our size don't we) at your service ma'am... shall I call my friend Bob Di N to join us

[raconteur]

A question Prospero:

Do you think deep anal will ever cure the 'roids?

[Prospero]

racontuer... androids?

[Janos12]

Thanks Adriana. You have put a real sprin g in my step on a monday morning xxxxx

[Prospero]

Adriana is a constant inspiration

[raconteur]

racontuer... androids?

You ... digress ...

[Prospero]

lol... digress? Would i do that sir? No I doubt if anal can cure Haemmorhoids lol

But I also doubt your question was serious

[raconteur]

lol... digress? Would i do that sir? No I doubt if anal can cure Haemmorhoids lol

But I also doubt your question was serious

You did say ask "anything". I left you an "opening" ...

[Prospero]

Er... the person who started the thread said ask Prospero anything. The asking is the issue... not the answer which can be serioust as the serious intent of the question or as ludicrous.

[tsadriana]

Er... the person who started the thread said ask Prospero anything. The asking is the issue... not the answer which can be serioust as the serious intent of the question or as ludicrous.
The person who started this thread is here.how can i help?haha

[Prospero]

Oh you can always help Adriana.... maybe we should have an ask Adriana anything thread? What do you think Prospero?

[tsadriana]

Oh you can always help Adriana.... maybe we should have an ask Adriana anything thread? What do you think Prospero?

No we can,t have Ask Adriana anything thread ,cos im not botherd to answer :mad::mad::mad:

[Stavros]

So, Adriana, some Italians will only eat Pizza in Naples, and would never ever put a Bolognese sauce on spaghetti...are you one such Italian?

[tsadriana]

So, Adriana, some Italians will only eat Pizza in Naples, and would never ever put a Bolognese sauce on spaghetti...are you one such Italian?

I dont like bolognese ,but i recomend you a nice dish maybe you tryed ,if not trust me u will love this dish" maccheroni with neapolitan ragu sauce.Most english dont know to cook bolognese good.

[Prospero]

No we can,t have Ask Adriana anything thread ,cos im not botherd to answer :mad::mad::mad:

But you just did answer - twice....

[tsadriana]

But you just did answer - twice....
hahahah im not answer anymore

[Prospero]

Why not Adriana?

[tsadriana]

Why not Adriana?
Cos i ain`t botherd ,the fourth answer and thats all :mad: hahahah Dont tempt me to answert Prospero :mad::mad:

[Prospero]

But surely you are aware how we all love you Adriana?

[TSBootyLondon]

I second that... Adrianna you are always polite and kind ;-) x


But surely you are aware how we all love you Adriana?

[tsadriana]

I second that... Adrianna you are always polite and kind ;-) x
So do you Bella ...always there for people.

[tsadriana]

But surely you are aware how we all love you Adriana?
Always forever,toghether,love you all ,better nice and sweet than grumpy and moody:mad:

[Prospero]

And you answered another question. you can't resist, can you Adriana?

[Stavros]

I dont like bolognese ,but i recomend you a nice dish maybe you tryed ,if not trust me u will love this dish" maccheroni with neapolitan ragu sauce.Most english dont know to cook bolognese good.

True -doesn't it take a few hours to make a proper Bolognese sauce? Making me hungry now.

[robertlouis]

True -doesn't it take a few hours to make a proper Bolognese sauce? Making me hungry now.

If you're that hungry you can buy a 5 litre drum of Bolognese sauce in the Tesco Value range for 15p, as long as you don't mind the day-glo red colouring, the strange neighing sounds and the blue stripes going through the middle of it all. :dancing:

[robertlouis]

Always forever,toghether,love you all ,better nice and sweet than grumpy and moody:mad:

Como esta, bella?

[danthepoetman]

Why can't we, human beings, accept that we are animals, and therefore subjected, as any other animal, to our own set of impulses? Why can't we see that our societies are not and never have been the product of an illusory free will, but of our gregarious and competitive instincts?
:)

[tsadriana]

And you answered another question. you can't resist, can you Adriana?
I fall for this easily ,you know.x

[tsadriana]

Why can't we, human beings, accept that we are animals, and therefore subjected, as any other animal, to our own set of impulses? Why can't we see that our societies are not and never have been the product of an illusory free will, but of our gregarious and competitive instincts?
:)
I go with that Dan

[tsadriana]

Como esta, bella?
Bene.x

[Prospero]

Why can't we, human beings, accept that we are animals, and therefore subjected, as any other animal, to our own set of impulses? Why can't we see that our societies are not and never have been the product of an illusory free will, but of our gregarious and competitive instincts?
:)

Do you want me to take issue with the opening assertion or to answer the question of acceptance. You've packed two thoughts into that statement.

We cannot perhaps accept because we are a competetive species - and that surely extends to intellectual arguments and reasoning. And i do not necessarily accept the notion that there is no such thing as free will.

[Stavros]

Why can't we, human beings, accept that we are animals, and therefore subjected, as any other animal, to our own set of impulses? Why can't we see that our societies are not and never have been the product of an illusory free will, but of our gregarious and competitive instincts?
:)

But we are not the same as 'any other animal' -and surely you did not post here out of instinct, but free will? You may not choose to eat or drink water because without them, over time you will die. But it was an act of free will that led you to register and use this forum, n'est-ce pas?

[martin48]

“Experience teaches us no less clearly than reason, that men believe themselves free, simply because they are conscious of their actions, and unconscious of the causes whereby those actions are determined.” Spinoza

Discuss

[Jericho]

Oh Gawd, they're off again! :ignore:

[Prospero]

Wittgenstein argued that the issue of free will was a pseudo-problem and could not be solved.

John Locke agreed: ""To return, then, to the inquiry about liberty, I think the question is not proper, whether the will be free, but whether a man be free."

[Prospero]

And my view - let's have lunch. Your place or mine?

[Stavros]

“Experience teaches us no less clearly than reason, that men believe themselves free, simply because they are conscious of their actions, and unconscious of the causes whereby those actions are determined.” Spinoza

Discuss

An argument made redundant by Freud - the causes of actions may be unknown to the unconscious mind -if there is such a thing as some believe the concept of the unconscious to be meaningless- but can be revealed through the dialectics of therapy.

[martin48]

Though I might agree with Prospero's reference to Wittgenstein, I can't have any tuck with Stravos's Freud crap.

There is a trend to err on the side of determinism – we are defined by our genotype. What naturally concerns us all is that we are not the free agents we would like ourselves to be. However, we ought to worry less about the causes and more about effects. On any plausible view of the world, the aetiology of our behaviour will include causes that are beyond our control. So if anything can make a difference, it is not the existence of such causes, but rather the kind of effects they have. When it comes to free will, what matters is our cognitive phenotype, not its genotypic source. Ordinary responsible behaviour and diverse cognitive and behaviour pathologies that do involve diminished responsibility may both have genetic bases, so the fact of genetic determination, insofar as it is a fact, will not explain the contrast. Of course if you want to alter effects, you will want to look back to causes that may provide you with a handle. So the possibility of substantially increased powers of genetic intervention will give those concerned about human autonomy plenty to worry about. Genetic knowledge does not itself threaten free will, but what we do with that knowledge is another story.


Ah well, here we go again!

[Fancy fancy]

Who will be crowned the most intellectual tranny chaser?

[Prospero]

Who will be crowned the most intellectual tranny chaser?

why you of course, Fancy Fancy

[Stavros]

Though I might agree with Prospero's reference to Wittgenstein, I can't have any tuck with Stravos's Freud crap.

There is a trend to err on the side of determinism – we are defined by our genotype. What naturally concerns us all is that we are not the free agents we would like ourselves to be. However, we ought to worry less about the causes and more about effects. On any plausible view of the world, the aetiology of our behaviour will include causes that are beyond our control. So if anything can make a difference, it is not the existence of such causes, but rather the kind of effects they have. When it comes to free will, what matters is our cognitive phenotype, not its genotypic source. Ordinary responsible behaviour and diverse cognitive and behaviour pathologies that do involve diminished responsibility may both have genetic bases, so the fact of genetic determination, insofar as it is a fact, will not explain the contrast. Of course if you want to alter effects, you will want to look back to causes that may provide you with a handle. So the possibility of substantially increased powers of genetic intervention will give those concerned about human autonomy plenty to worry about. Genetic knowledge does not itself threaten free will, but what we do with that knowledge is another story.


Ah well, here we go again!

I don't understand the hostility people have to Freud, who was as interested in cause as in effect, not least because his clients presented him with problems that puzzled him until he believed he had found a way to unlock the truths that people conceal. Science is good with newts, electrons and rocks, but can it deal with the neuroses that so fascinated Freud that he embarked on the study of the structure of the mind? The Interpretation of Dreams was one of the most important books of the 20th Century. It is a pity Freud gets such a bad press, usually for the wrong reasons. His views on women are, I think, a mistake, and his development of the 'Oedipus complex' is simply wrong, although he suspected this at an early stage. Even if the answers he offers are contested, there is little doubt he opened up a vital stream of enquiry that has helped illuminate the human condition.

'Die anatomie ist das Schicksal' -Anatomy is destiny (The Dissolution of the Oedipus Complex, 1924) -is this not relevant to HungAngels?

[martin48]

Untestable - All Freud's theories are built upon their own internal logic which cannot be proved either way. Internally consistent, but externally unprovable.

Even if we know that someone had no father figure against whom to compete for his mother's affection, what does that tell us about his future behaviour?

Theory not based on a large sample of people, or tested under experimental conditions with control groups, etc. Freud's patients were largely wealthy hysterical Victorian middle-class women in Vienna in the late 1800s.

Freud invented many new terms, but rarely defined exactly what he meant.


Metaphysical - abstract throughout and not testable via empirical methods.
Personal projection of Freud's own life, fantasies and conflict with his own father (Oedipus Complex)?

Freud deals with the unconscious mind that he claims can only be understood through dreams, slips of the tongue, etc. But, do we really understand how the conscious mind itself works? Answer: No. Therefore, how can something that does not understand itself, begin to interpret what the unconscious mind generate.


(I never thought I would be having such heavy discussions on a tranny porn site)

[Prospero]

Intriguing remark at the tail end of your last post martin regarding the limited understanding we have of the conscious mind and the attempt we make, using a tool little understood, to try and plumb the depths of our unconscious. I recall some years ago many scientists declaring that understanding the nature of consciousness - particularly self-consciousness - was one of the very greatest scientific challenges we presently face.

[Stavros]

Untestable - All Freud's theories are built upon their own internal logic which cannot be proved either way. Internally consistent, but externally unprovable.

Even if we know that someone had no father figure against whom to compete for his mother's affection, what does that tell us about his future behaviour?

Theory not based on a large sample of people, or tested under experimental conditions with control groups, etc. Freud's patients were largely wealthy hysterical Victorian middle-class women in Vienna in the late 1800s.

Freud invented many new terms, but rarely defined exactly what he meant.


Metaphysical - abstract throughout and not testable via empirical methods.
Personal projection of Freud's own life, fantasies and conflict with his own father (Oedipus Complex)?

Freud deals with the unconscious mind that he claims can only be understood through dreams, slips of the tongue, etc. But, do we really understand how the conscious mind itself works? Answer: No. Therefore, how can something that does not understand itself, begin to interpret what the unconscious mind generate.


(I never thought I would be having such heavy discussions on a tranny porn site)


I agree that from the perspective of science Freud's psychology contains contradictions, but from the perspective of philosophy, sociology and the arts, his work asks for an analysis of human behaviour that is credible and fruitful. The so-called Oedipus Complex and Electra Complex I don't think are as important as his theory of neuroses and the sexual element in repression, and science has attempted to deal with depression and anxiety through pharmacology, and in extreme cases electro-convulsive therapy, now discredited, even though Carrie Mathieson gets blasted now and then. Science gets irritated with Freud because of its own limitations, yet scientists read novels, listen to music and appreciate the arts and must have a view on why some people, even in fiction, behave the way they do, and science falls short when attempting to explain the universal attachment of human beings to religious explanations of why we are here. By dismissing it as 'superstition' science cannot really offer any insight into religion, where Freud presents his psychology as 'a family romance' and in doing so places social relations as critical in the development of the self.

Many transgendered people have been born with an indeterminate set of genitals, or a different set of chromosomes to babies who are clearly either male or female, yet I also wonder how many transgendered people who have become transgendered later in life, because of events that happened in their childhood find therapy one way of unlocking these repressed memories that have shaped their definition of themselves. Or does science dismiss memory as fiction, much as Karl Popper dismissed history as being a set of dates and recorded events but otherwise having no meaning?
It is a pity that science diverged from philosophy, probably in the 17th century, both disciplines have suffered as a result.

[Stavros]

Intriguing remark at the tail end of your last post martin regarding the limited understanding we have of the conscious mind and the attempt we make, using a tool little understood, to try and plumb the depths of our unconscious. I recall some years ago many scientists declaring that understanding the nature of consciousness - particularly self-consciousness - was one of the very greatest scientific challenges we presently face.

But Prospero, does science have the tools to understand consciousness as something other than brain waves? As I said in my reply to Martin, science struggles to explain religious belief, even though it is hugely important to so many people. But I did hear two psychologists discussing the concept of the 'person' and agreeing they could not define it. But it may be that a person is someone taking on a role, rather than pure being, so is more fluid and harder to pin down. But how many films attempt to show why people are behaving as they do, as well as what they do, consciously or not -so why do some films make sense when others miss the mark? Curious.

[robertlouis]

My goodness chaps, this has become seriously serious.

Just what would mother say?

[danthepoetman]

Sorry, guys: I wish I could have participated to the discussion I somewhat launched, but my gf either confiscated the computer or used it the whole time it lasted - and I'm left to wonder what indeed Freud would say about that... :)

Though I might agree with Prospero's reference to Wittgenstein, I can't have any tuck with Stravos's Freud crap.

There is a trend to err on the side of determinism – we are defined by our genotype. What naturally concerns us all is that we are not the free agents we would like ourselves to be. However, we ought to worry less about the causes and more about effects. On any plausible view of the world, the aetiology of our behaviour will include causes that are beyond our control. So if anything can make a difference, it is not the existence of such causes, but rather the kind of effects they have. When it comes to free will, what matters is our cognitive phenotype, not its genotypic source. Ordinary responsible behaviour and diverse cognitive and behaviour pathologies that do involve diminished responsibility may both have genetic bases, so the fact of genetic determination, insofar as it is a fact, will not explain the contrast. Of course if you want to alter effects, you will want to look back to causes that may provide you with a handle. So the possibility of substantially increased powers of genetic intervention will give those concerned about human autonomy plenty to worry about. Genetic knowledge does not itself threaten free will, but what we do with that knowledge is another story.
No offence to my good Prospero -nor to you, Stavros, my friend-, but I think Martin nailed it pretty precisely here. Thank you, buddy. Very bright and eloquent!
The reason why I compared animals and humans, Stavros, which seems to have shocked you, is that today, we tend define animals as beings who are the "prisonners", if you will, of their own determinisms. But we know that all animals, to the very simplest, can learn by trial and errors. As the number of responses required by their environment increases, so does the brain and thereof the capacity for a broader range of responses. Obviously, we do have a level of freedom -it's undeniable. Yet, it is obvious by taking account of history and by studying societies through time and geography, also of course by studying human behavior in general, that we too are largely determined by inner and/or by intra-specific impulses. The range of answers to the environment is greater, but the pattern is the same. Culture as shown to largely be the simple surface or presentation of "nature" -as much as these concept are meaningful. So thought Schopenhauer, by the way, one of the great inspirations of Freud, who on the other hand denied having read his work before formulating his own theories to the time of his death, which has to be baloney, like most of what came from this illustrious charlatan.
It seems to me that Martin -whom I'm starting to suspect is an unknown relative, a Corsican twin or something- nailed it to the bone once again with this one:

Untestable - All Freud's theories are built upon their own internal logic which cannot be proved either way. Internally consistent, but externally unprovable.

Even if we know that someone had no father figure against whom to compete for his mother's affection, what does that tell us about his future behaviour?

Theory not based on a large sample of people, or tested under experimental conditions with control groups, etc. Freud's patients were largely wealthy hysterical Victorian middle-class women in Vienna in the late 1800s.

Freud invented many new terms, but rarely defined exactly what he meant.


Metaphysical - abstract throughout and not testable via empirical methods.
Personal projection of Freud's own life, fantasies and conflict with his own father (Oedipus Complex)?

Freud deals with the unconscious mind that he claims can only be understood through dreams, slips of the tongue, etc. But, do we really understand how the conscious mind itself works? Answer: No. Therefore, how can something that does not understand itself, begin to interpret what the unconscious mind generate.


(I never thought I would be having such heavy discussions on a tranny porn site)

I would add to this that it is well known today, Stavros, that Freud was a guru and a charlatan of the purest type. Scrupulous historical reaserches have shown that EACH and EVERY ONE of Freud's human case examples was left after "therapy" with as many problems as he started it with; some of them were commited for long periods of time after and one of them (the famous wolf obsessed man, I think) even died in an asylum, when Freud pretended improvement if not complete resolution of neurosis for all of them. Many were also shown to be simple frauds, like the little Hans with the horse, taken as a case example, who was characterised by Freud as the victim of a complex sexual neurosis involving a bad resolution of the oedipus -which I have to remind you, is at the center of Freud's psychology, and not a secondary element you can discount to appreciate the rest! An adult Hans revealed that Freud had hardly seen him, for the "therapy", that he only in fact had been scared of a horse falling and dying, a fear that he eventually got over of, growing up, of course, and that none of what Freud said had any sense or meaning to his situation, that of a child freightened by something...
And that's without mentioning Freud's addiction to cocain, his numerological obsession or his countless manipulations of patients therapy in order to extort money from them. All of this has been revealed today, Stavros, despite the attempts of the powerful psychanalitic community to cover it up. And I could dig the references for you, if you're interrested in it.
The man was a charlatan and, as Martin is saying, his "discipline" is thourough pseudo-science. Not much more than astrology.

[Prospero]

Stavros... I agree in wondering if science does have any ability to investigate consciousness in any other than a theoretical way. I was talking to the physicist and mathematician Roger Penrose about this and he said he had, indeed, designed a scientific experiment to prove certain of his own theories about the nature of human consciousness (way too complex to report here or indeed for me to understand except in laymen's terms - outlined in various books of his - but in essence relating consciousness to quantum events) But that the problem was he needed an apparatus the size of the solar system to test this out. So not likely any time soon. The use of MRI and other scans have been utilised by some scientists to look at the way that response to stimuli light up arrays of neurons in parts of the brain... certainly adding to theories about consciousness being in some way embedded in our neurons. Then there are people like a Igor Aleksandr scientist at Imperial College who is experimenting with creating machine consciousness. but all of these are beside the point somehow. Most key thinkers about neuroscience and the study of human consciousness now believe that while this is a crucial quest no explanations are likely in the foreseeable future.

And as you say can science address the issue of religion. Again brain scans are looking for the so-called god spot (without success so far i think) and psychological explanations seem to get us closer to some truths. Regarding freud i cannot really join in - I know so little about him. But i do suspect that freud and his heirs are valuable in having created some investigative tools if not explanations.

But I am not a scientist. Just a reasonably well read writer, film maker and journalist.

[Caff_Racer]

Spinoza? Wittgenstein? Freud? By 'eck, I need a cuppa!



http://pythonparty.com/images/my_brain_hurts__occ1.jpg



By the way, Prospero, you wouldn't be versed in 12V motorbike electrickery would you? If so I might shortly be posting a few questions! :lol:

[martin48]

Just one quick comment before my brain explodes. Penrose's argument in essence is "The brain is complicated, quantum mechanics is complicated. Therefore the brain must involve quantum mechanics." No evidence from neuro-science to suggest that QM is involved at all. Sorry

I'll demolish rest later after lie down





Stavros... I agree in wondering if science does have any ability to investigate consciousness in any other than a theoretical way. I was talking to the physicist and mathematician Roger Penrose about this and he said he had, indeed, designed a scientific experiment to prove certain of his own theories about the nature of human consciousness (way too complex to report here or indeed for me to understand except in laymen's terms - outlined in various books of his - but in essence relating consciousness to quantum events) But that the problem was he needed an apparatus the size of the solar system to test this out. So not likely any time soon. The use of MRI and other scans have been utilised by some scientists to look at the way that response to stimuli light up arrays of neurons in parts of the brain... certainly adding to theories about consciousness being in some way embedded in our neurons. Then there are people like a Igor Aleksandr scientist at Imperial College who is experimenting with creating machine consciousness. but all of these are beside the point somehow. Most key thinkers about neuroscience and the study of human consciousness now believe that while this is a crucial quest no explanations are likely in the foreseeable future.

And as you say can science address the issue of religion. Again brain scans are looking for the so-called god spot (without success so far i think) and psychological explanations seem to get us closer to some truths. Regarding freud i cannot really join in - I know so little about him. But i do suspect that freud and his heirs are valuable in having created some investigative tools if not explanations.

But I am not a scientist. Just a reasonably well read writer, film maker and journalist.

[martin48]

Prospero -Please can you explain why his brain hurts?

Thanks




Spinoza? Wittgenstein? Freud? By 'eck, I need a cuppa!



http://pythonparty.com/images/my_brain_hurts__occ1.jpg



By the way, Prospero, you wouldn't be versed in 12V motorbike electrickery would you? If so I might shortly be posting a few questions! :lol:

[Prospero]

I know nowt about electrickery Mr Catweazle... and i guess his brain hurts cos the knotted hankie is way too tight.

and martin... what say you start a thread to argue about freud, Wittgenstein, Free Will, etc with Stavros and Dan and whoever and let my Q + A thread fill up with the normal effluvia, flotsam, jetsam and other stuff folks hurl at me. This is not an Oxbridge common room . (Or are you ghost of Freddie Ayer haunting HA?) My veneer of learning is wearing very thin when confronted by the learned ones like you chaps.

[Prospero]

Oh Martin... how can you be so rude about Professor Penrose. He really is a lovely guy. His study at the institute of mathematics is the closest thing I have encountered yet to a lunatic professor's room -. He has more paper there than i have ever seen in loose leaf form. hen i first visited him he said, "I had a chair in here somewhere, but i haven't been able to find it recently."

[Stavros]

No offence to my good Prospero -nor to you, Stavros, my friend-, but I think Martin nailed it pretty precisely here. Thank you, buddy. Very bright and eloquent!
The reason why I compared animals and humans, Stavros, which seems to have shocked you, is that today, we tend define animals as beings who are the "prisonners", if you will, of their own determinisms. But we know that all animals, to the very simplest, can learn by trial and errors. As the number of responses required by their environment increases, so does the brain and thereof the capacity for a broader range of responses. Obviously, we do have a level of freedom -it's undeniable. Yet, it is obvious by taking account of history and by studying societies through time and geography, also of course by studying human behavior in general, that we too are largely determined by inner and/or by intra-specific impulses. The range of answers to the environment is greater, but the pattern is the same. Culture as shown to largely be the simple surface or presentation of "nature" -as much as these concept are meaningful. So thought Schopenhauer, by the way, one of the great inspirations of Freud, who on the other hand denied having read his work before formulating his own theories to the time of his death, which has to be baloney, like most of what came from this illustrious charlatan.
It seems to me that Martin -whom I'm starting to suspect is an unknown relative, a Corsican twin or something- nailed it to the bone once again with this one:

I would add to this that it is well known today, Stavros, that Freud was a guru and a charlatan of the purest type. Scrupulous historical reaserches have shown that EACH and EVERY ONE of Freud's human case examples was left after "therapy" with as many problems as he started it with; some of them were commited for long periods of time after and one of them (the famous wolf obsessed man, I think) even died in an asylum, when Freud pretended improvement if not complete resolution of neurosis for all of them. Many were also shown to be simple frauds, like the little Hans with the horse, taken as a case example, who was characterised by Freud as the victim of a complex sexual neurosis involving a bad resolution of the oedipus -which I have to remind you, is at the center of Freud's psychology, and not a secondary element you can discount to appreciate the rest! An adult Hans revealed that Freud had hardly seen him, for the "therapy", that he only in fact had been scared of a horse falling and dying, a fear that he eventually got over of, growing up, of course, and that none of what Freud said had any sense or meaning to his situation, that of a child freightened by something...
And that's without mentioning Freud's addiction to cocain, his numerological obsession or his countless manipulations of patients therapy in order to extort money from them. All of this has been revealed today, Stavros, despite the attempts of the powerful psychanalitic community to cover it up. And I could dig the references for you, if you're interrested in it.
The man was a charlatan and, as Martin is saying, his "discipline" is thourough pseudo-science. Not much more than astrology.

I tend to see Freud in the context of the history of ideas, and the growth of psychology which has attempted to use 'science' in its treatment of people with various 'disorders'. I am not shocked to find scientists regarding humans as 'merely' machines, it has for a long time been a cynical and narrow-minded aspect of science which once led the head of the science faculty in a UK university to recommend closing down the faculty of humanities on the grounds that its departments were, in practical terms, useless. Science in its practical applications in say, industry and medicine has transformed the way we live as well as the environment, but as Bertrand Russell pointed out the parameters of thought that inform and express religious ideas are so removed from science as to make a meaningful dialogue and examination pointless, as Trish argued about the limits of science that cannot explain what happened before the Big Bang in another thread. Science can tell us how tears fall when we cry but cannot explain why crying can be induced in some people by Cliff Richard, Wagner, or Nat King Cole, without recourse to the abstractions found in philosophy, psychology and so on, to which they object. And yet scientists do read novels, watch movies, go to art galleries, so they must be moved or interested in what to them is 'inexplicable'. Or, you could wonder if the large number of science graduates who have put bombs on planes or flown them into buildings would have done so had they studied literary criticism instead; is their aversion to music, poetry and dancing a scientific rejection of the irrational?

The truth is concealed -this to me is one of the key concepts that Freud used when trying to understand human behaviour and the mind: just as the development of the lenses used in telescopes and microscopes enabled science to reveal what had previously been concealed, so Freud believed psychotherapy could help people come to terms with aspects of their personal history which was damaging them, by investigating its roots. This mode of enquiry has become central to therapeutic techniques, and I believe is favoured over the Watson/Skinner reduction of behaviour to mathematical/pseudo-scientific models which can -allegedly- be adjusted using drugs or electric shock treatment. George Kelly, famous for The Psychology of Personal Constructs attempted to bring scientific rigour into psychology, and created a row of values used to measure responses; but he also wrote about Mozart's Don Giovanni (as did Kierkegaard), fascinated by a man whose libido appeared to be out of control. And both make interesting points about the Don. And Freud came from a scientific background.

How many transgendered people have had critical moments when they 'realised' that the truth of who they are, was previously concealed? The concept might not be original to Freud -Marx argued the truth about capitalism was concealed in its elaborate production process; Buddhists recommend various strategies to achieve 'enlightenment'- but it was an important part of Freud's thinking and remains, I think an important motif in the narrative of human experience that has influenced others.

[danthepoetman]

I tend to see Freud in the context of the history of ideas, and the growth of psychology which has attempted to use 'science' in its treatment of people with various 'disorders'. I am not shocked to find scientists regarding humans as 'merely' machines, it has for a long time been a cynical and narrow-minded aspect of science which once led the head of the science faculty in a UK university to recommend closing down the faculty of humanities on the grounds that its departments were, in practical terms, useless. Science in its practical applications in say, industry and medicine has transformed the way we live as well as the environment, but as Bertrand Russell pointed out the parameters of thought that inform and express religious ideas are so removed from science as to make a meaningful dialogue and examination pointless, as Trish argued about the limits of science that cannot explain what happened before the Big Bang in another thread. Science can tell us how tears fall when we cry but cannot explain why crying can be induced in some people by Cliff Richard, Wagner, or Nat King Cole, without recourse to the abstractions found in philosophy, psychology and so on, to which they object. And yet scientists do read novels, watch movies, go to art galleries, so they must be moved or interested in what to them is 'inexplicable'. Or, you could wonder if the large number of science graduates who have put bombs on planes or flown them into buildings would have done so had they studied literary criticism instead; is their aversion to music, poetry and dancing a scientific rejection of the irrational?

The truth is concealed -this to me is one of the key concepts that Freud used when trying to understand human behaviour and the mind: just as the development of the lenses used in telescopes and microscopes enabled science to reveal what had previously been concealed, so Freud believed psychotherapy could help people come to terms with aspects of their personal history which was damaging them, by investigating its roots. This mode of enquiry has become central to therapeutic techniques, and I believe is favoured over the Watson/Skinner reduction of behaviour to mathematical/pseudo-scientific models which can -allegedly- be adjusted using drugs or electric shock treatment. George Kelly, famous for The Psychology of Personal Constructs attempted to bring scientific rigour into psychology, and created a row of values used to measure responses; but he also wrote about Mozart's Don Giovanni (as did Kierkegaard), fascinated by a man whose libido appeared to be out of control. And both make interesting points about the Don. And Freud came from a scientific background.

How many transgendered people have had critical moments when they 'realised' that the truth of who they are, was previously concealed? The concept might not be original to Freud -Marx argued the truth about capitalism was concealed in its elaborate production process; Buddhists recommend various strategies to achieve 'enlightenment'- but it was an important part of Freud's thinking and remains, I think an important motif in the narrative of human experience that has influenced others.
Indeed, Stavros, these were not original ideas from Freud, as you can find them in Schopenhauer's work, Pierre Janet's, William James' and several others. But I understand your point of view. You see science giving into a reduction of the marvels of the cultural variations to mechanics. And you're right. Prospero, you're pretty much expressing the same thing in invoking the work of Penrose.
But I think we really do make too much of the manifestations of our minds. I think we humans have a fixation for our own grandeur. Every bit as much as we all see the world with its injustices and its pain through the looking glass of our little ego, we still see human beings at the very center of the universe. The whole of human culture has also consisted in extracting ourselves from such a perspective. Freud himself diagnosed this human crazyness, as he quite immodestly put himself on top of the deconstructive process, after Copernic and Darwin. We've backed from a flat world created for us by its creator to an infinite world for which the very question of meaning is vain.
(By the way, Stavros, there wasn't anything "before" the Big bang, as time, the way we understand it, was created by it with space. We are creatures of this universe and we can only understand, as Kant saw it, through time and space or volume. But the question of what was "before" the Big bang, that is "before in time", of course, is non sensical. There was no time before the creation of time. If we eventually get to have any understanding of this one, it will be through mathematical construction.)
I think we're still making way too much of what we are. The mind can be found in the brain. Consciousness is a neurological process which we are discovering and understanding slow by slow. And we do know a lot about it already, contrary to what was said so far on this thread. It involves several zones of the brain in conjunction, emerging from the simple sense of awareness of the thalamus to the more reflexive pre-frontal cortex, heavily connected to the sensory and motor areas, as well as to the hypocampal memory areas, etc. The brain has specific functional areas which can only work in conjuction with one another; damage one of these areas and the functions exercised by it is compromised. The progress in neurology have been tremendous in the last couple of decades. Neuro imaging has been the key to such progress. Neurology has been the poorest scientific field for a long time, but neuro imaging and progress in endocrinology have changed all of that; it is now at the forefront of scientific discoveries.
This being said we have to keep in mind that the brain is only the top and the central command zone of the nervous system. It is constituted of nervous cells, exactly as the rest of the nervous system, exactly as the spine is: grey and white matter. It simply is the result of natural selection of the simplest organisms; those organism which were able to integrate a simple organ of awareness thrived more than others. These simple organ of awareness, be they a cillum or a vibratil fold, developed into sensory organs. And as the need for more complex responses to the environment grew, so did the nervous system. The brain and all its wonders is simply an organ of awareness, Stavros. Knowing you, I sense that you probably wince, reading this. But by putting aside all other consideration, religious or cultural, that's what appears as the factual reality of our existence as living organisms. Science is not really guilty of reductionism; it is its very nature to reduce in order to understand.

[martin48]

I agree but the tread is about asking you anything! So here's two Qs:

1 Do you think it will ever be proved that there exist integers, n,m, such that n!+1=m2 other than n=4,5,7?

2 Do anyone care a fuck?



I know nowt about electrickery Mr Catweazle... and i guess his brain hurts cos the knotted hankie is way too tight.

and martin... what say you start a thread to argue about freud, Wittgenstein, Free Will, etc with Stavros and Dan and whoever and let my Q + A thread fill up with the normal effluvia, flotsam, jetsam and other stuff folks hurl at me. This is not an Oxbridge common room . (Or are you ghost of Freddie Ayer haunting HA?) My veneer of learning is wearing very thin when confronted by the learned ones like you chaps.

[martin48]

Yes - Roger has made outstanding contributions to math, especially in the fields of cosmology and general relativity (Though I personally liked his work in tiling - not in the bathroom!). However, there is an easy trap to fall into that if someone is a recognised expert in one field then it follows that what he says in any other field carries some weight. Noam Chomsky has made the greatest contribution to our understanding of language, but in speaking about US overseas policy - he has no better soapbox than you or I. LinusPauling (Nobel Prize for Chemistry) believed a load of crap that vitamin C prevented cancer. Same with Roger and his explaination of the consciousness. Sorry

I'll sign off these topics and get back to the size of dicks and think of new threads that ask "any pictures of shemales with x", where x is a random object. To help fellow readers try this site

http://www2.hci.edu.sg/s9842525z/Train%20your%20Brain/Resource%20Package/randomObject.html





Oh Martin... how can you be so rude about Professor Penrose. He really is a lovely guy. His study at the institute of mathematics is the closest thing I have encountered yet to a lunatic professor's room -. He has more paper there than i have ever seen in loose leaf form. hen i first visited him he said, "I had a chair in here somewhere, but i haven't been able to find it recently."

[ImpulZ]

what is your favorite beer prospero?

[Prospero]

Dark beers... Guiness usually

[ImpulZ]

no blond beer?

[Prospero]

Belgian white beer is good... and a good british bitter (Adnams or Abbott - both from east Anglia). A good Budvar from Budapest.

[James24UK]

Prospero, who is your greatest ever punt? Tell us about it? in detail? please?

Jim

[robertlouis]

what is your favorite beer prospero?



He'll drink anything from a discarded can in the gutter. I've seen it happen. :whistle:

[danthepoetman]

He'll drink anything from a discarded can in the gutter. I've seen it happen. :whistle:
For someone who's had, even just a few times, some good single malt scotch whisky, anything else seems like it is, comming from the gutter... :)

[danthepoetman]

OK then. I'll go with another question. Prospero, what's your idea of bliss?

[Stavros]

[QUOTE=danthepoetman;1419427]

(By the way, Stavros, there wasn't anything "before" the Big bang, as time, the way we understand it, was created by it with space. We are creatures of this universe and we can only understand, as Kant saw it, through time and space or volume. But the question of what was "before" the Big bang, that is "before in time", of course, is non sensical. There was no time before the creation of time. If we eventually get to have any understanding of this one, it will be through mathematical construction.)

-This illustrates the problem of being unable to describe in language something that is beyond our ability to know -it doesn't mean there was 'nothing' before the 'Big bang' it just means we have no way of knowing, which does not explain how the Big Bang happened. The limits of science and language and culture, unless you believe, and I don't think you do, that God created it. But millions do.

I think we're still making way too much of what we are. The mind can be found in the brain. Consciousness is a neurological process which we are discovering and understanding slow by slow. And we do know a lot about it already, contrary to what was said so far on this thread. It involves several zones of the brain in conjunction, emerging from the simple sense of awareness of the thalamus to the more reflexive pre-frontal cortex, heavily connected to the sensory and motor areas, as well as to the hypocampal memory areas, etc. The brain has specific functional areas which can only work in conjuction with one another; damage one of these areas and the functions exercised by it is compromised. The progress in neurology have been tremendous in the last couple of decades. Neuro imaging has been the key to such progress. Neurology has been the poorest scientific field for a long time, but neuro imaging and progress in endocrinology have changed all of that; it is now at the forefront of scientific discoveries.
This being said we have to keep in mind that the brain is only the top and the central command zone of the nervous system. It is constituted of nervous cells, exactly as the rest of the nervous system, exactly as the spine is: grey and white matter. It simply is the result of natural selection of the simplest organisms; those organism which were able to integrate a simple organ of awareness thrived more than others. These simple organ of awareness, be they a cillum or a vibratil fold, developed into sensory organs. And as the need for more complex responses to the environment grew, so did the nervous system. The brain and all its wonders is simply an organ of awareness, Stavros. Knowing you, I sense that you probably wince, reading this. But by putting aside all other consideration, religious or cultural, that's what appears as the factual reality of our existence as living organisms. Science is not really guilty of reductionism; it is its very nature to reduce in order to understand.
-I don't wince, I am just disappointed that you think humans are really just advanced machines. It doesn't explain why we are unique when compared to animals, fruit and vegetables but places us on the same plane as every other living thing, which we should respect. As humans we share 50% of our DNA with bananas but that doesn't make us half fruit -or bananas half human- and it doesn't mean bananas should have the right to vote. But this debate could go on forever.

[Prospero]

I think bananas should have the right to vote... well maybe half a vote

Providing they register that is

[Prospero]

1 Do you think it will ever be proved that there exist integers, n,m, such that n!+1=m2 other than n=4,5,7?


Maybe

[danthepoetman]

-This illustrates the problem of being unable to describe in language something that is beyond our ability to know -it doesn't mean there was 'nothing' before the 'Big bang' it just means we have no way of knowing, which does not explain how the Big Bang happened. The limits of science and language and culture, unless you believe, and I don't think you do, that God created it. But millions do.
-I don't wince, I am just disappointed that you think humans are really just advanced machines. It doesn't explain why we are unique when compared to animals, fruit and vegetables but places us on the same plane as every other living thing, which we should respect. As humans we share 50% of our DNA with bananas but that doesn't make us half fruit -or bananas half human- and it doesn't mean bananas should have the right to vote. But this debate could go on forever.
Reading myself as I read your answer, I just hope I didn’t sound somewhat condescending in anyway, Stavros, as I know you are well aware of the standpoint I’m taking here. But we have to formulate thoughts to communicate, of course. I just think that in the end, you try to see things from a positive perspective.
I guess there’s always a possibility for an optimistic view on life as well as a pessimistic one, which would then be the one you described, more or less nihilistic in denying any value to culture by abstracting the basic mechanic of life processes. I suppose I sometimes get carried away and fall into the latter, by excess of materialism -indeed, I am not a believer. But to me, the best one is the tragic perspective on life. I do, like you, appreciate the beauty of human productions. Knowing what we know of the universe and of ourselves, we have to find to love what we are but simultaneously never to loose sight of how meaningless our presence is, and how terrible our actions can be. This perspective has been called “tragic”. I think, like Albert Camus, that we have to imagine Sisyphus happy.

[danthepoetman]

I think bananas should have the right to vote... well maybe half a vote

Providing they register that is

Prospero, I think that some bananas would indeed vote with more clarity than many people...
:)

[martin48]

Prospero, I think that some bananas would indeed vote with more clarity than many people...
:)

If bananas were given the right to vote in the States - then the Republicans would ensure that only yellow bananas could easily get registered and they would make it very difficult for green bananas. They would claim that they didn't fight the Civil War just to let green bananas get the vote. Furthermore green bananas need more social care to ripen and so are a drain on the country.

[Prospero]

Another key issue for Bananas and v0ting rights is that many were actually born in places like Kenya or Hawaii - and as such might well not be fully entitled to vote.

And if they were really born in Kenya they certainly could not be allowed to run for high office.

Plus green ones often try to masquerade as yellow ones after a few weeks

[Prospero]

Dan...my idea of bliss. it goes beyond ideas really. it is the realm of pure experience - inexpressable in language.

"Bliss it was in that dawn to be alive, but to be young was very heaven"

And someone asked for my most perfect punt. Impossible to answer. But read my good, bad and ugly postings.

[Stavros]

How about a variant of the 'Ask the Celebrity' fill-a-column questionnaire? This one from The Independent on Saturday Travel section (edited out some of them):

First Holiday Memory?
Favourite Place in the British Isles?
What have you learnt from your travels?
Ideal Travelling Companion?
Greatest Travel Luxury?
Holiday Reading?
Worst Travel Experience?
Best Hotel?
Best Meal Abroad?
Favourite City?
Where Next?

[Prospero]

First Holiday Memory? On the beach at Brighton. Pebbles.
Favourite Place in the British Isles? Malvern Hills
What have you learnt from your travels? a huge amount on all kind of things. To be open minded.
Ideal Travelling Companion? A lover
Greatest Travel Luxury? Five star hotel by the ocean in the south pacific
Holiday Reading? A huge immersive novel. Proust for instance
Worst Travel Experience? (Travel or holiday... different) Travel for work - being ambushed while filming with special forces in Afghanistan. Holiday. Christmas in istanbul with non-stop torrential rain for a week and a hotel miles from anywhere.
Best Hotel? A small hotel in the Dordogne (name forgotten) and the Ritz-Carton in Doha
Best Meal Abroad? Again - a meal at a now forgotten restaurant in the Dordogne
Favourite City? Impossible. But Jerusalem, Paris, New York,San Francisco, Santa Fe, Cambridge and my home city - London
Where Next? NYC and Palm Beach, then Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, israel, Turkey, Lebanon, Serbia, Germany, France and (unlikely) Syria

[Stavros]

Sorry you really can only choose one city. Try it.

[Prospero]

lol.... well one city. Hmmm.... then it has to be London. It is infinite. (But so is Paris)

[Prospero]

This thread is soooo last year lol

[bi-smooth]

prospero r u a millionaire as you must have loads of money with the amount of shemales u have been with?
u r my hero. keep the good work up

[sukumvit boy]

Really enjoy your avatars ,and try to identify those that I don't recognize. However , couldn't find your last one. Where or what is that from?

[Stavros]

It can seen along a section of the London Underground that was planned but not built -this Spriggan, from Cornish folk-lore is somewhere around Crouch End, I think. There is a link here-
http://thestationmaster.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/friends-in-highgate-places/

[Prospero]

Thanks for that Stavros. I actually had no idea where it is.

No not a millionaire at all. Just an average guy. Now maybe I Would be financially richer had I spent less on various pleasures...

[Ananke]

Prospero, question: how can a person possibly forget the name of the best restaurant he has ever been to?????

[Prospero]

Perhaps because so many restaurants, so much wine, so much good food. And I bet the meal i remembered even if the name is forgotten?

[Ananke]

I'm gutted...I know Dordogne well and would have loved to check that one out..

[Stavros]

Prospero, as someone who works in film, what is your view on the state of film criticism in the UK? I am not even sure if film reviewers are film critics, they rarely take a film apart to see how it works; but that aside, since David Thomson left The Times, and Derek Malcolm and Philip French retired, there do not seem to me to be any distinctive reviewers/critics. Instead there are various people writing for one paper, and none of them impress me -I can' recall their names but there are two people writing for The Times and the Telegraph, and Bradshaw for The Guardian whose reviews are not based on any real knowledge of cinema. And I assume it means if they don't like your work it is as irrelevant as they are -?

[Prospero]

I would concur with your broad judgement. The last reviewer who I thought of any real worth was Philip French. He had a terrific knowledge of cinema history - not simply cinema since the 1970s. THis successor at the Observer is poor and the Sunday Times has recently handed over film reviewing to a blonde woman who seems to know zilch about films and can hardly write.

Real criticism in the manner of someone like Ray Durgnat is very rare these days. I think the best reviewers now tend to people like David Denby of The New Yorker who oesn't measure up to Pauline Kael but is still pretty good.

[Dino Velvet]

Who you got on Sunday? You watching?

[Prospero]

I don't understand that question Dino.

[Dino Velvet]

I don't understand that question Dino.

Super Bowl. You watching? Any pick for the winner?

You know that day is like a holiday over here. The presentation of the game is as good as the game itself. The additional entertainment and high-dollar advertisements rope in additional demographics so even the broads have a good time. If you watched it as an event you'd be impressed.

[Prospero]

Oh... I don't know nothing about sport in America. We don't get that here.

[ImpulZ]

are you a cockney?

[Prospero]

Sorry... no. Technically Cockneys have to have been born within the area where you could hear the sound of Bow bells (a church in east london borough of Bow).

[ImpulZ]

i missed chop shop with bernie fineman and Leepu....That show was awesome...silly and nice cars :)

http://i.imgur.com/KBpgirK.jpg

[sukumvit boy]

It can seen along a section of the London Underground that was planned but not built -this Spriggan, from Cornish folk-lore is somewhere around Crouch End, I think. There is a link here-
http://thestationmaster.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/friends-in-highgate-places/

:Bowdown::dancing: Now that , is amazing! Abandoned Art.
Spriggans ,Pixies and Brownies ,oh my!
Spriggan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spriggan)
Pixie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_(elf)