Should I smash or not

[tflix]

Hey everyone I was thinking of smashing this cd.She is very kinky. How many guys would smash?
http://newyork.en.craigslist.org/que/cas/4112207058.html

[ilovelamp]

not my thing, but whatever floats your dick.

[tsmirandameadows]

Hmm, evidently passable means something different on Craig's List. Having been non-passable for a very longtime, I know what it takes to pass the threshold of femininity required for blending in. I don't mean to be rude, but she's not past that threshold -- I sure as hell wouldn't have passed like that.

[tflix]

yea my conscious was telling me the same thing

[Donkey]

Hmm, evidently passable means something different on Craig's List. Having been non-passable for a very longtime, I know what it takes to pass the threshold of femininity required for blending in. I don't mean to be rude, but she's not past that threshold -- I sure as hell wouldn't have passed like that.
I recently had a conversation with an absolutely gorgeous A-list TS porn star, who is one of the hottest to come through in a long long time, who tells me that she gets clocked all the time. She said in most situations she is not passable. It blew my mind.

[tflix]

I might be getting too desperate to have a shemale fuckbuddy in NYC Any girls want to be friends

[nysprod]

I recently had a conversation with an absolutely gorgeous A-list TS porn star, who is one of the hottest to come through in a long long time, who tells me that she gets clocked all the time. She said in most situations she is not passable. It blew my mind.

Duh-uh, did she ever stop to think she's well known, being that she's an A list pornstar (who let's face it doesn't hang out in libraries, but hangs out in clubs, etc.) and that that's the reason she gets clocked?

So don't let your mind get blown when there's an obvious answer. And BTW, don't be so cryptic...either say who it is or don't bother.

[ilovelamp]

I recently had a conversation with an absolutely gorgeous A-list TS porn star, who is one of the hottest to come through in a long long time, who tells me that she gets clocked all the time. She said in most situations she is not passable. It blew my mind.

Not sure who you could be referring, but passable sometimes isn't about the hottest, since there are a lot of GG's in the world that most people wouldn't consider to be attractive. In fact it's probably easier to blend in if you're more average looking than hot, since you won't get near the attention and thus the possibility that someone might "clock" you. I think one of the biggest aspects of passing (even more important than looks) is voice. No matter how hot you are, if you have a manly voice, you are going to get some odd looks.

[tsmirandameadows]

I recently had a conversation with an absolutely gorgeous A-list TS porn star, who is one of the hottest to come through in a long long time, who tells me that she gets clocked all the time. She said in most situations she is not passable. It blew my mind.

Passability is an interesting thing, as it's not necessarily related to attractiveness. The most common theory of it is that you pass when the majority of your gender queues are feminine; when you have an even mix of queues or when you are majority masculine, you don't pass. I'm not sure this is totally accurate however as sometimes all it takes is one slip up with one queue and suddenly you've been clocked, even though the majority of your queues are clearly very feminine.

I'm increasingly convinced that the biggest "give away" as it were is voice. I pass consistently except in extended interactions, and what is the thing that people get a closer "look" at in extended interaction? Voice. It seems as if particularly in the TS porn scene -- the very small handful of professionally employed transwomen I know do NOT have this problem -- most girls are content with the drag queen voice. Stunning, gorgeous girls, whether natural or porn barbie doll, open their mouths and suddenly you hear the nasally, pinched, forced-into-the-palette voice of a drag queen, which is a dead give away. My voice has a long ways to go yet -- I'm particularly bad at inflection, keeping my pitch high enough, and speaking at louder volumes -- but I have noticed that since I don't use the nasal/pinched voice that so many girls do, I tend to be able to go a minute or two in casual speech before I get clocked.

[tsmirandameadows]

Not sure who you could be referring, but passable sometimes isn't about the hottest, since there are a lot of GG's in the world that most people wouldn't consider to be attractive. In fact it's probably easier to blend in if you're more average looking than hot, since you won't get near the attention and thus the possibility that someone might "clock" you. I think one of the biggest aspects of passing (even more important than looks) is voice. No matter how hot you are, if you have a manly voice, you are going to get some odd looks.

Took the words out of my mouth as I was typing them, lol. :D

[tsmirandameadows]

For those that are curious, here's my current voice (when I focus carefully on how I'm speaking): http://vocaroo.com/i/s0bSj4dxcIHz

And here's my pretransition voice, lol: Aeneid Recitation - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJcUBoNupQw)

[nysprod]

There are no A-list TS pornstars who can go for long without getting clocked for a simple reason:

If a man looks at porn he looks at transsexuals, because every man who looks at porn (which is the vast majority) is turned on by transsexuals...of course, only a very few will act out but unless I miss my guess, that number is growing all the time.

[tflix]

I always look for voice and hands.

[tsmirandameadows]

There are no A-list TS pornstars who can go for long without getting clocked for a simple reason:

If a man looks at porn he looks at transsexuals, because every man who looks at porn (which is the vast majority) is turned on by transsexuals...of course, only a very few will act out but unless I miss my guess, that number is growing all the time.

Sorry but this is kind of a dubious premise. Even if we accept it, how does one explain getting clocked by non-porn viewers, i.e. most women?

[nysprod]

Sorry but this is kind of a dubious premise. Even if we accept it, how does one explain getting clocked by non-porn viewers, i.e. most women?

Donkey didn't mention anything about the A-lister saying she gets clocked by women...but without knowing who he's talking about, we can't say she is passable to begin with.

[tsmirandameadows]

Donkey didn't mention anything about the A-lister saying she gets clocked by women...but without knowing who he's talking about, we can't say she is passable to begin with.

Well I presume "getting clocked all the time" would imply, by sheer frequency, that both men and women are doing the clocking, but fair enough on not knowing how passable this girl is to begin with.

[nysprod]

Well I presume "getting clocked all the time" would imply, by sheer frequency, that both men and women are doing the clocking, but fair enough on not knowing how passable this girl is to begin with.

Which A-list TS pornstars do you think are passable?

[tsmirandameadows]

Which A-list TS pornstars do you think are passable?

In photographs? Most of them. But again, passability is mostly about intangibles, and intangibles only come across in person, and I have met very few in person. Tiffany Starr passed very well when I knew her because of her very feminine voice, despite not having much of a bust then.

[nysprod]

In photographs? Most of them. But again, passability is mostly about intangibles, and intangibles only come across in person, and I have met very few in person. Tiffany Starr passed very well when I knew her because of her very feminine voice, despite not having much of a bust then.

That makes sense...

[alpha2117]

Hmm, evidently passable means something different on Craig's List. Having been non-passable for a very longtime, I know what it takes to pass the threshold of femininity required for blending in. I don't mean to be rude, but she's not past that threshold -- I sure as hell wouldn't have passed like that.

If the height listing on the ad is correct and she's 5'2 then passing may possible. Height as you'd know is a huge issue with even the prettiest girls. A fairly unattractive short girl passes easier than a 6ft goddess. A small fine bones girl can get away with it even if her face isn't great.

[tsmirandameadows]

If the height listing on the ad is correct and she's 5'2 then passing may possible. Height as you'd know is a huge issue with even the prettiest girls. A fairly unattractive short girl passes easier than a 6ft goddess. A small fine bones girl can get away with it even if her face isn't great.

Very true. Somehow I overlooked this girl's height. Being that short will make up for a lot.

Although conversely, I find that I'm passing even more now that I routinely wear heels in the 3-3.5" range. I'm 6' tall so for the longest time I was too insecure about my height to wear anything but flats, but what I've discovered is that heels of moderate height don't make me look appreciably taller where as attractive feminine heels and a pretty day dress significantly feminize my appearance, to the point that I no longer just look like a girl, but a very feminine girly-girl.

[maddygirl]

If the height listing on the ad is correct and she's 5'2 then passing may possible. Height as you'd know is a huge issue with even the prettiest girls. A fairly unattractive short girl passes easier than a 6ft goddess. A small fine bones girl can get away with it even if her face isn't great.
Nah, I call bullshit. A lot of trans girls place WAY too much emphasis on height, imo. If someone has masculine features and attributes.. whether they're 5'0'' or 6'5'' they aren't going to look like a woman. Just because you're not tall doesn't mean you look like a woman, lol.

[EvaCassini]

There is one major thing that should be understood.

The person in reference whom the OP has inquired. That person is not looking to "pass". People like that only dress up ( Cross Dress ) in private and for the most part, is just a sexual fetish. For example, this case. Clearly the person only has the ad up for sexual fetish fulfillment, and not having anything dealing with rates or payment. Bringing this up in the break room or movie theater restroom would totally be "out of line", intrusive and most likely harassment, hence the "ad". Perhaps Fetlife wasn't working out for this person, idk.

But as for passing, being short doesn't deem a person "more passable". There are many, many GG's, who are very tall, and superbly "feminine" and attractive, heels or not. For this person, on the whole, "passing" is not a goal, as it is for girls like Miranda and myself.

We are 24/7 girls. Literally. Public, private, day, and night.

[tsmirandameadows]

There is one major thing that should be understood.

The person in reference whom the OP has inquired. That person is not looking to "pass". People like that only dress up ( Cross Dress ) in private and for the most part, is just a sexual fetish. For example, this case. Clearly the person only has the ad up for sexual fetish fulfillment, and not having anything dealing with rates or payment. Bringing this up in the break room or movie theater restroom would totally be "out of line", intrusive and most likely harassment, hence the "ad". Perhaps Fetlife wasn't working out for this person, idk.

But as for passing, being short doesn't deem a person "more passable". There are many, many GG's, who are very tall, and superbly "feminine" and attractive, heels or not. For this person, on the whole, "passing" is not a goal, as it is for girls like Miranda and myself.

We are 24/7 girls. Literally. Public, private, day, and night.

Fair enough. I only brought it up because the person in question described herself as "passable" in the CL ad.

[EvaCassini]

Anyone can label themselves anyway they want. Stating that in the ad and posting pictures that clearly show the opposite is an oxymoron.

[tsmirandameadows]

Perhaps Fetlife wasn't working out for this person, idk.



I have to say that Fetlife is the worst for hookups. Not that appearance is paramount or anything, but I would only ever get approached by extremely unattractive men or very aged crossdressers on that site.

I take that back: I met my first boyfriend and I also met Tiffany Starr, my first sorta girlfriend (we dated but were never official), on Fetlife. Other than that though, ugh.

[EvaCassini]

lol i also have dated tiff, for about a week.

[tsmirandameadows]

lol i also have dated tiff, for about a week.

Yeah, I guess she was in Dallas for a while wasn't she? I knew her in Boston. Good memories of trying to sneak into her bedroom in her parents' house in the middle of the night and then playing Rock Band and watching Venture Bros. lol.

[bluesoul]

hey- i too dated tiffany starr. fancy that, what a coincidence huh?

just kidding. please continue...

[EvaCassini]

well we lived together for about 10 months. 4 trannies under one roof. Myself, Jamie ( Tiff's ex before me, like literally 1 wk before me ) and Tiff, and Tiff's current ( i think ) gf, Audrina. It wasn't fun. From literal experience, she goes through relationships like a refrigerator through tissue paper .

[tsmirandameadows]

well we lived together for about 10 months. 4 trannies under one roof. Myself, Jamie ( Tiff's ex before me, like literally 1 wk before me ) and Tiff, and Tiff's current ( i think ) gf, Audrina. It wasn't fun. From literal experience, she goes through relationships like a refrigerator through tissue paper .

Yeah that sounds about right. I love her and I miss her, but I definitely couldn't marry her, that's for sure.

[tsmirandameadows]

Also, consolidating trannies under one roof seems to be a Texas thing lol. I lived in Austin with two TS escorts for a while.

[EvaCassini]

It's great for expenses but can be very taxing on ones sanity lol.

[tsmirandameadows]

It's great for expenses but can be very taxing on ones sanity lol.

LOL, tell me about it. Plus if you're a tranny in Texas escorting is ALL there is for you, and at that time I was neither ready emotionally nor marketable enough physically to make escorting work. Still I was quite fond of one of my roommates, and she is arguably still my best friend.

[Quiet Reflections]

Hmm, evidently passable means something different on Craig's List. Having been non-passable for a very longtime, I know what it takes to pass the threshold of femininity required for blending in. I don't mean to be rude, but she's not past that threshold -- I sure as hell wouldn't have passed like that.
I have to dissagree. She totally passes as an unattractive woman. She could be Angelica Hustons older sister.

[tsmirandameadows]

I have to dissagree. She totally passes as an unattractive woman. She could be Angelica Hustons older sister.

I guess. Maybe since she is reputedly just 5'2" she can pull it off. Still, I'm just seeing a 50+ crossdresser in her pictures, but whatever.

[Quiet Reflections]

I guess. Maybe since she is reputedly just 5'2" she can pull it off. Still, I'm just seeing a 50+ crossdresser in her pictures, but whatever.
not sure if her height has anything to do with it but since there are so many ugly people in the world if her shape even comes off as slightly feminine then a person could easily just lump her in with the other hideous ladies in the world. For every 8, 9 or 10 you see there are probably fifty 1's,2's, and 3's many of which look like 50 year old men

[tsmirandameadows]

I donno, maybe it's just my crossdresser aversion kicking in. I remember having this intensely frustrating conversation with an older cross dresser in which she was discussing how much she "wished [she] could transition but couldn't." "Well, why can't you?" I say. "Because of my voice", which she made no effort to feminize whatsoever. I quickly demonstrated my male voice, yet she remained unphased in her assertion that her voice was permanently male. Then she proceeded to complain about all the dirty looks she would get when going out. Now she was pushing 60, yet her going out while cross dressed outfit generally involved leather miniskirts with panty hose and platform heels and the like. I pointed out that her outfit was incongruent with women of her age, ethnicity and class, and that the dirty looks might diminish or disappear if she dressed more appropriately, but she again could not see how there was anything she could do to improve things. It's not fair to judge a group based on experience with an individual, and likewise I recognize that cross dressing is largely born of a sexual fetish and that cross dressers are a completely different species of gender variant individuals from transsexuals, but nevertheless, my experience with cross dressers has been such that I do not identify with them nor do I wish to associate with them.

[simonisthebest]

too manly for me...crossdresser not my thing, its like fuckin with a man

i really think crossdresser make transexual look bad, that shit is just disgustin

[EvaCassini]

I just had the strangest dream...also quite disgusting. I do believe it was influenced by discussing in this thread. lol

I dreamt that I had an outcall. The client was Lewis Black and its just so happened that Lewis had a vagina instead of a penis. ( He? ) wanted me to do many odd and distasteful things to get ( him? ) off for about 1 hr ( most disturbing thing I remember is when I inserted...that fucking "o-face" ( he? ) made and the noises, fucking EWWW ). Next thing I know, I take a smoke break, come back in, ( he? ) doesn't want to continue sexual activity, which made me relieved.
But then oddly enough, hundreds of venomous snakes started appearing. Slithering around and a few bit my cock.

Next thing that occurred, Tempest arrived and killed a few snakes with her bare hands by squeezing their heads together, mixed their blood and venom and then began to rub it on my cock and suck me off. She kept saying this is how to neutralize the venom, so I wouldn't die.

Damn this thread! lol Fucking "out there".

P.S. I do not recall ever getting fucking paid for my services...

[tsmirandameadows]

That... is an interesting dream (or nightmare?). Did Lewis Black rant about anything while you performed on him? That would make it worth it in my opinion. :)

[EvaCassini]

lol fuck no. It was all odd and disgusting moaning and squealing. Sometimes...I wish I could never have dreams in my sleep...

[tsmirandameadows]

lol fuck no. It was all odd and disgusting moaning and squealing. Sometimes...I wish I could never have dreams in my sleep...

I rarely if ever dream. No dreams last night for certain, and I cannot recall the last dream I had.

[EvaCassini]

Fucking lucky. lol

My brain is a weird one. It comes up with the most ludicrous scenarios for dreams.

[DL_NL]

This thread turned out to be more interesting than it appeared at first...

[TempestTS]

I just had the strangest dream...also quite disgusting. I do believe it was influenced by discussing in this thread. lol

I dreamt that I had an outcall. The client was Lewis Black and its just so happened that Lewis had a vagina instead of a penis. ( He? ) wanted me to do many odd and distasteful things to get ( him? ) off for about 1 hr ( most disturbing thing I remember is when I inserted...that fucking "o-face" ( he? ) made and the noises, fucking EWWW ). Next thing I know, I take a smoke break, come back in, ( he? ) doesn't want to continue sexual activity, which made me relieved.
But then oddly enough, hundreds of venomous snakes started appearing. Slithering around and a few bit my cock.

Next thing that occurred, Tempest arrived and killed a few snakes with her bare hands by squeezing their heads together, mixed their blood and venom and then began to rub it on my cock and suck me off. She kept saying this is how to neutralize the venom, so I wouldn't die.

Damn this thread! lol Fucking "out there".

P.S. I do not recall ever getting fucking paid for my services...

This was no dream - and ummm sorry about the blood on the towel but Im sure it will come out

[tsluvr61]

Not my cup of tea, but do whatever floats your own boat, and don't worry about what us folks say! Enjoy yourself and be happy!

[EvaCassini]

This was no dream - and ummm sorry about the blood on the towel but Im sure it will come out



NOOOOOOO! LMAO Can't be true!