Trans-Intellectuals

[BellaBellucci]

I'm putting together a new Facebook group in which hot topics can be debated understandingly and respectfully. If you'd like to request to join, please visit us here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/transintellectuals/

Thanks!

~BB~

[robertlouis]

I'm putting together a new Facebook group in which hot topics can be debated understandingly and respectfully. If you'd like to request to join, please visit us here:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/transintellectuals/

Thanks!

~BB~


I'd suggest you ask Franklin to be honorary president, Bella.... :whistle:

[BellaBellucci]

I'd suggest you ask Franklin to be honorary president, Bella.... :whistle:

What's his Facebook name? :lol:

~BB~

[robertlouis]

What's his Facebook name? :lol:

~BB~

Six letters, begins with "w", ends in "r". Think British.

And no, it isn't Winner. :dancing:

[maxpower]

Does it rhyme with "banker?"

[Silcc69]

I'd suggest you ask Franklin to be honorary president, Bella.... :whistle:

___dead

[robertlouis]

Does it rhyme with "banker?"

Yes, and interestingly enough, they're synonyms too.

[robertlouis]

I humbly apologise for hijacking your serious thread right from the start, Ms Bellucci, and now abjectly withdraw.

Carry on.





Or you could ask Freddie Gomez.......

[iagodelgado]

I can see what you are trying to do but I think you have a basic problem.

The words "trans" and "intellectuals" just don't fit together.

Trans people can be very intellectual, or not, just like non-trans people.

The trouble is, most non-trans people who are into trans are less like trans intellectuals, and more like trans droolers. As this thread has already demonstrated.

[BellaBellucci]

I can see what you are trying to do but I think you have a basic problem.

The words "trans" and "intellectuals" just don't fit together.

Trans people can be very intellectual, or not, just like non-trans people.

Seriously?

~BB~

[iagodelgado]

Yup.

Transladyboys.com

Thread 1. Would you suck cock? Response = 93% said yes.

Thread 2. Would you ever suck a guy's cock? 59% = yes. 2% = already have. 15% say maybe.

You want intellectual out of this lot? Cock, cock, cock. Forget the rest.

That's not me. That's reality.

[robertlouis]

Yup.

Transladyboys.com

Thread 1. Would you suck cock? Response = 93% said yes.

Thread 2. Would you ever suck a guy's cock? 59% = yes. 2% = already have. 15% say maybe.

You want intellectual out of this lot? Cock, cock, cock. Forget the rest.

That's not me. That's reality.



Um, so liking different forms of sex somehow means that you can't be "intellectual"?

Bollocks.

Some of the randiest people I've ever known, both male and female, have been high-flying academics, and they've been straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, you name it.

And a liking for transsexual sex isn't any different. Who says you can't do differential calculus or conjugate greek verbs while having a 69 with a lovely tgirl?

Just where did you get this crap from?

[broncofan]

Good post Robert. I think that's why Bella asked him if he was serious first. Hard to believe someone could write something that idiotic.

1. the forum would be for those trans who enjoy discussing important issues intelligently. Many qualify.

2. Yes, sucking cock is uncorrelated with intelligence. It is however correlated with swollen tonsils;

[BellaBellucci]

You guys are right, but read closer. The point was that he contradicted himself as well. :lol:

~BB~

[Rabbiteyes]

Meh, I've met some people here who have decent careers and / or are pretty intelligent (like danthepoetman is clever :).

Liking sex or watching porn or whatever else doesn't make you stupid. Just people in general aren't so smart :P Take ANY group of people and you will find most don't have a lot going on (even in groups you would assume they are intelligent by the very work they do).

You can learn knowledge, you can't learn intelligence :|

[robertlouis]

You guys are right, but read closer. The point was that he contradicted himself as well. :lol:

~BB~

Shouldn't that be "read more closely", Bella?

Just showing my intellectual credentials. :whistle:

*inspects nails in a supercilious manner*

[BellaBellucci]

Shouldn't that be "read more closely", Bella?


Indeed, it should. Thank you. :)

~BB~

[robertlouis]

Indeed, it should. Thank you. :)

~BB~

Thank YOU.

In which case, do I qualify, or are there elections? :whistle:

[broncofan]

You can be chairman of pedantry Robert.

[robertlouis]

You can be chairman of pedantry Robert.

Thank you, but that honour is surely in Bella's gift.

And chairman is usually an ex officio role. Board member with special responsibility for pedantry would seem more appropriate.




I trust you can see what I'm doing here, Bronco..... :dancing:

[broncofan]

. Just people in general aren't so smart
I happen to know for a fact that at least one percent of people are in the top one percent of intelligence. That's one out of a hundred people are smarter than the other 99 out of a hundred people.;)

[broncofan]

Thank you, but that honour is surely in Bella's gift.

And chairman is usually an ex officio role. Board member with special responsibility for pedantry would seem more appropriate.

I trust you can see what I'm doing here, Bronco..... :dancing:
I think I do. You're only making yourself seem more qualified for the role. You must really want it bad(ly). Chairman with special responsibility for pedantry looks great on the resume..errr did I screw that up somehow?

[LilyRox]

I don't Facebook :(

[LilyRox]

You can learn knowledge, you can't learn intelligence :|

This is a very good point. An IQ test breaks down a person's intelligence based on their age. You can be a field farmer and have very high intelligence (IQ), yet never finished high school. Just because someone has gotten multiple degree's doesn't make their IQ above average either. An IQ test primarily breaks down a person's thought process, how they view problems, and relate things that aren't always easily relatable.

[iagodelgado]

Um, so liking different forms of sex somehow means that you can't be "intellectual"?

Bollocks.

Some of the randiest people I've ever known, both male and female, have been high-flying academics, and they've been straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, you name it.

And a liking for transsexual sex isn't any different. Who says you can't do differential calculus or conjugate greek verbs while having a 69 with a lovely tgirl?

Just where did you get this crap from?

1) Did you read the post where I said trans-people, and trans-admirers, can be intelligent or not?

2) My source was transladyboys.com. That's why I said my example was from transladyboys.com.

3) A serious topic was raised. Then entered King Quipper. Ignoring posts that didn't fit his argument and starting a pissing contest.

4) Here's source #2. HungAngels. Top 10 favourite threads. Do you remember that thread? How many were intellectual? None? Really?

5) Source #3. HungDevils. It has a section for "intellectual" although its actual title is "Real Trans Issues". The activity is pretty close to zero. But the main forum has a decent turnover, not of trans intellectual, but of more or less the same stuff that powers HA i.e. porn.

I suspect that "trans intellectual" will be deader than "Real Trans Issues" within about a month. The porn threads will go marching on.

[broncofan]

If transsexuals are no more or less intelligent than anyone else, there's no reason to believe a page where they discuss serious issues will be any less successful than one hosting those who are not transsexual. Being no more or less intelligent means they will have a normal proportion of interesting people who can engage one another on these subjects.

Your argument doesn't hold water. Interest in sex does not negate interest in other subjects.

And as for those transsexuals who have engaged in the politics and religion section of the forum, they have always given as good as they get (no pun intended). This part of the forum is geared towards sexual issues so it's no surprise that that's what you see the most of.

[Ben in LA]

My problem is will folks be anonymous...if they don't have their real pictures HERE, why would they have them THERE?

I'll check out the page none the less.

[broncofan]

And judging by the group of girls we have here, I actually believe that for whatever reason they are smarter than average. My assumption was only for illustrative purposes.

[nysprod]

My problem is will folks be anonymous...if they don't have their real pictures HERE, why would they have them THERE?

I'll check out the page none the less.

The Cos has spoken!

Lol...jus kiddin man, your punim has been all over the place,,,

[up_for_it]

I think this is a great idea, would it be possible to also start a sub section or thread on HA?

[Stavros]

It's already there, called Politics and Religion, but apparently some people would prefer to send it to the Facebook ghetto -I mean, what intelligent person bothers with Facebook?

[iagodelgado]

If transsexuals are no more or less intelligent than anyone else, there's no reason to believe a page where they discuss serious issues will be any less successful than one hosting those who are not transsexual. Being no more or less intelligent means they will have a normal proportion of interesting people who can engage one another on these subjects.

Your argument doesn't hold water. Interest in sex does not negate interest in other subjects.

And as for those transsexuals who have engaged in the politics and religion section of the forum, they have always given as good as they get (no pun intended). This part of the forum is geared towards sexual issues so it's no surprise that that's what you see the most of.

Kindly read the posts. I have no reason whatsoever to believe that I am more intelligent than someone who is transsexual. Zero. Nada. Nothing. THAT is where is where I started.

THEN I went on to point out that if people want to get intellectual about trans folks then a) a porn forum like HA isn´t going to cut the mustard because it is full of cock-hounds, and more importantly b) a Facebook forum isn't going to fly. UNFORTUNATELY, the vast ranks of cock-hounds don't give a fuck about what it is like to be trans in real life. Just as long as she has a cock.

[BellaBellucci]

Kindly read the posts. I have no reason whatsoever to believe that I am more intelligent than someone who is transsexual. Zero. Nada. Nothing. THAT is where is where I started.

THEN I went on to point out that if people want to get intellectual about trans folks then a) a porn forum like HA isn´t going to cut the mustard because it is full of cock-hounds, and more importantly b) a Facebook forum isn't going to fly. UNFORTUNATELY, the vast ranks of cock-hounds don't give a fuck about what it is like to be trans in real life. Just as long as she has a cock.

It's not intellectualism about being trans. It's a group of intellectual trans people. Your insistence on making this about orientation and gender (despite repeatedly having it pointed out to you that it's not) leads me to believe that you might be one of those cock hounds.

Good day, sir.


It's already there, called Politics and Religion, but apparently some people would prefer to send it to the Facebook ghetto -I mean, what intelligent person bothers with Facebook?

Apparently, none. :yayo:

Except that we're already up to 65 members.

~BB~

[up_for_it]

It's already there, called Politics and Religion, but apparently some people would prefer to send it to the Facebook ghetto -I mean, what intelligent person bothers with Facebook?

Agreed.

[iagodelgado]

Good luck, see you in a month? Jesus, I do really, really old stuff on HD and I get bucket-loads of hits.

Head -to - head figures?

[flabbybody]

It's already there, called Politics and Religion, but apparently some people would prefer to send it to the Facebook ghetto -I mean, what intelligent person bothers with Facebook?
I knew FB was doomed as soon as all my middle aged buddies joined in a futile effort to monitor the activities of their teenaged daughters. now I'm reading how kids are leaving in hordes because too many parents are following their pages.

[BellaBellucci]

I knew FB was doomed as soon as all my middle aged buddies joined in a futile effort to monitor the activities of their teenaged daughters. now I'm reading how kids are leaving in hordes because too many parents are following their pages.

Good. More bandwidth for us. #gotdamnkids #getoffmylawn

~BB~

[Toadily]

I knew FB was doomed as soon as all my middle aged buddies joined in a futile effort to monitor the activities of their teenaged daughters. now I'm reading how kids are leaving in hordes because too many parents are following their pages.

So true, I have to watch who I friend now because so many of my Family I made the mistake of friending, I don't even like my family :hide-1: JK.
But I did friend a guy from work and all he did was curse and say stuff way out of line, I defriended him but he did damage before I had the chance. Asshole cursed out my sister and called her a cunt, not good thanksgiving conversation.

But back on topic, I think people misunderstand porn and intellectuals, though history many of the top minds were perverts, I found this list of 13, how they forgot my favorite Slick Willie, Bill Clinton. Can someone pass me a cigar. I think 95% of the people on this forum would be unable to hold a conversation with these, I am not one of the 5% either.
13 Perverts (http://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-most-historically-important-perverts-of-all-time/beau-iverson)

[LilyRox]

Well that could be because lots of true geniuses are very eccentric and anti-social. My favorite is Nikola Tesla.

http://io9.com/5648455/the-mad-scientist-hall-of-fame-nikola-tesla

[AmyDaly]

Facebook + intellectualism

does not compute

[youngblood61]

Facebook + intellectualism

does not compute:iagree:

[robertlouis]

It's not intellectualism about being trans. It's a group of intellectual trans people. Your insistence on making this about orientation and gender (despite repeatedly having it pointed out to you that it's not) leads me to believe that you might be one of those cock hounds.

Good day, sir.



Apparently, none. :yayo:

Except that we're already up to 65 members.

~BB~

67 when I checked, Bella. :geek:

And there are quite a few very effective facebook groups that focus on special interests. The trick is, as with this group, to control entry by invitation and filtering. I'm involved in a few pro musician groups, and FWIW they're a lot more effective and professional than the ones on Linked In and elsewhere.

The OP doesn't seem to have grasped that Bella's intention isn't to have a free-for-all, because that would either fall flat or degenerate quickly, as he rightly says. We all know that.

It's a good idea and I hope it succeeds.

[Rabbiteyes]

But back on topic, I think people misunderstand porn and intellectuals, though history many of the top minds were perverts,

It isn't that intellectuals are perverts...

Instead, one of the common traits really smart people have is intense curiosity (about everything, like...really...nothing is boring to them. A lecture about an in depth analysis of dirt is THRILLING. Learning about any aspect of the world is what they naturally are drawn to).

Also, they don't allow what they think to be limited by what society says is "ok". So if they are sexually curious about BDSM... they go and explore it. If they are curious about trannies...they go and explore it. If they end up liking it, they just go with the flow. The entire stress over "omg, society says I shouldn't think this way" is something they learn to get over pretty early in life.


Well that could be because lots of true geniuses are very eccentric and anti-social.

Being extremely intelligent is something that will isolate a person (even at a young age). If you read about geniuses, you see just how alienated they felt growing up. They just can't relate on the same level to their peer groups. College running around getting drunk? Probably not something they find "fun" (and something not even college students think is so fun for so long).

Growing up socially outcast kind of inhibits their social growth though. They just lose touch in how to deal with social situations (because their lives are spent learning and doing their own thing, not learning the social expectations of how to behave at a pool party :|

The thing is, they also start to figure these social things out as they get older (just a bit behind the curve... though they do kind of catch up in a decent way). So as they approach 30s, 40s, they seem less "crazy" and have learnt that their intelligence is something they need to kind of "dumb down" around others (since it makes other people uncomfortable).

Being extremely smart isn't all roses and sunshine. People see it as a negative generally. They see the desire to debate issues as the desire to argue and cause trouble. "No one likes a know-it-all....even if he is right".

[Prospero]

An curiosity about everything is to me one of the key conditions of being really alive.

"The unexamined life is not worth living" - Plato

[Rusty Eldora]

Six letters, begins with "w", ends in "r". Think British.

And no, it isn't Winner. :dancing:

Wiener is my guess

Oh I wish I was an Anthony Weiner, for I could tweet revolting pics around the world.

[Rusty Eldora]

Well that could be because lots of true geniuses are very eccentric and anti-social. My favorite is Nikola Tesla.

http://io9.com/5648455/the-mad-scientist-hall-of-fame-nikola-tesla

Did you see those recent shows about him, edison, et al.

Tesla is a cool dude, he gave us a big step jump of tech.

[up_for_it]

It isn't that intellectuals are perverts...

Instead, one of the common traits really smart people have is intense curiosity (about everything, like...really...nothing is boring to them. A lecture about an in depth analysis of dirt is THRILLING. Learning about any aspect of the world is what they naturally are drawn to).

Also, they don't allow what they think to be limited by what society says is "ok". So if they are sexually curious about BDSM... they go and explore it. If they are curious about trannies...they go and explore it. If they end up liking it, they just go with the flow. The entire stress over "omg, society says I shouldn't think this way" is something they learn to get over pretty early in life.



Being extremely intelligent is something that will isolate a person (even at a young age). If you read about geniuses, you see just how alienated they felt growing up. They just can't relate on the same level to their peer groups. College running around getting drunk? Probably not something they find "fun" (and something not even college students think is so fun for so long).

Growing up socially outcast kind of inhibits their social growth though. They just lose touch in how to deal with social situations (because their lives are spent learning and doing their own thing, not learning the social expectations of how to behave at a pool party :|

The thing is, they also start to figure these social things out as they get older (just a bit behind the curve... though they do kind of catch up in a decent way). So as they approach 30s, 40s, they seem less "crazy" and have learnt that their intelligence is something they need to kind of "dumb down" around others (since it makes other people uncomfortable).

Being extremely smart isn't all roses and sunshine. People see it as a negative generally. They see the desire to debate issues as the desire to argue and cause trouble. "No one likes a know-it-all....even if he is right".



I really enjoyed this post. Naturally, intelligence is subjective- what we consider intelligent is in the eye of the beholder, but I agree with a lot of what you wrote. To me being curious and open is a mark of intelligence, since it denotes a willingness to engage with the larger world.

I also agree intelligent people are more likely to ignore societal convention and approach the world on their own terms.

Unfortunately, intelligence is intimidating, and to add to this, openness is as well. It's too bad that we begin to learn social norms through negative experiences and begin to self censor. I think anti-intellectualism is on the rise, and while some of it is warranted ( I know plenty of academics, for example, who are considered "smart people" but lack manners, social grace, and empathy), I think it's also a reflection of the uncertainty and anxiety many people feel currently. To go off on a bit of a tangent, I've recently gotten into watching Breaking Bad and it is a great commentary on both anti-intellectualism and academia's own isolating self awkwardness. To sum up, this cuts both ways, and I find a willingness to engage with life and create positive life experiences is the true mark of intelligence, rather than book smarts or technical know how.

[LilyRox]

Did you see those recent shows about him, edison, et al.

Tesla is a cool dude, he gave us a big step jump of tech.

Oh yeah I think so. That series called The Men Who Built America? That was a good show. Yeah definitely. He lived a poor life too. He lived like in a crappy apartment his whole life. People took advantage of him and his inventions because he was a immigrant.

[iagodelgado]

Facebook + intellectualism

does not compute

Liked!

[dderek123]

http://i.imgur.com/3CRX8tO.png

[BellaBellucci]

You guys don't know what you're missing. There are over 75 members, some from this board even, and a half dozen excellent discussions already.

But then, I have a knack for doing what they say can't be done, so... #suchmodesty

~BB~

[iagodelgado]

Can you keep it up?

Peggy aka Maggie got the whole boards onto intellectual. Then she disappeared.

Have you got staying power?

[BellaBellucci]

Can you keep it up?

Peggy aka Maggie got the whole boards onto intellectual. Then she disappeared.

Have you got staying power?

Ooo... double-double entendre! Well played. :dancing:

~BB~

[iagodelgado]

Not intended.

I signed up to Peggy.

I wrote for Peggy.

I cared about serious.

That was roughly about the time she had had enough of being serious (aka intellectual) and fucked off.

What's the roll-call of trans being serious. 4? 5? All on to something else? Stopping the hate?