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Prospero
06-25-2013, 06:52 PM
Supreme Court guts key part of landmark Voting Rights Act


(Reuters) - The Supreme Court on Tuesday gutted a key part of the landmark Voting Rights Act, passed in 1965 to end a century of attempts by former slaveholding states to block blacks from voting.

In a 5-4 ruling with the court's conservatives in the majority, the justices ruled that Congress had used obsolete reasoning in continuing to force nine states, mainly in the South, to get federal approval for voting rule changes affecting blacks and other minorities.

The court ruled in favor of officials from Shelby County, Alabama, by declaring invalid a section of the law that set a formula that determines which states need federal approval to change voting laws.

President Barack Obama quickly called on Congress to pass a new law to ensure equal access to voting polls for all.

"I am deeply disappointed with the Supreme Court's decision today," Obama, the first black U.S. president, said in a statement, adding that the court's action "upsets decades of well-established practices that help make sure voting is fair, especially in places where voting discrimination has been historically prevalent."

The ruling upended important legal protections for minority voters that were a key achievement of the U.S. civil rights movement of the 1960s led by Martin Luther King Jr. The decision also placed the burden on Congress - sharply divided along party lines to the point of virtual gridlock - to pass any new voting rights law like the one sought by Obama.

Writing for the majority, conservative Chief Justice John Roberts said the coverage formula that Congress used when it most recently re-authorized the law in 2006 should have been updated.

"Congress did not use the record it compiled to shape a coverage formula grounded in current conditions," he wrote. "It instead re-enacted a formula based on 40-year-old facts having no logical relationship to the present day."

The coverage formula therefore violates the sovereignty of the affected states under the U.S. Constitution, Roberts said.

One of the most closely watched disputes of the court's current term, the case centers on the civil rights-era law that broadly prohibited poll taxes, literacy tests and other measures that prevented blacks from voting. In the 1960s, such laws existed throughout the country but were more prevalent in the South with its legacy of slavery.

The Shelby County challengers said the kind of systematic obstruction that once warranted treating the South differently is over and the screening provision should be struck down.

The Obama administration, backed by civil rights advocates, had argued that the provision was still needed to deter voter discrimination.

The ruling is a heavy blow for civil rights advocates, who believe the loss of that section of the law could lead to an increase in attempts to deter minorities from voting. They said 31 proposals made by covered jurisdictions to modify election laws had been blocked by the Justice Department under Section 5 of the law since the measure was re-enacted in 2006.

Sherrilyn Ifill, president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, accused the Supreme Court of leaving "millions of minority voters without the mechanism that has allowed them to stop voting discrimination before it occurs."

SENATE ACTION

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, on Tuesday pledged to move quickly to try to restore voting rights protections after the ruling.

"I intend to take immediate action to ensure that we will have a strong and reconstituted Voting Rights Act that protects against racial discrimination in voting," Leahy said.

The court, split on ideological lines, did not go so far as to strike down the core Section 5 of the law, known as the preclearance provision, which requires certain states to get approval from the Justice Department or a federal court before making election-law changes.

But the majority did invalidate Section 4b of the act, which set the formula for states covered by Section 5 and was based on historic patterns of discrimination against minority voters.

Although Section 5 is technically left intact, it is effectively nullified, at least for the near future, as Congress would now need to pass new legislation setting a new formula before it can be applied again.

In her dissenting opinion on behalf of the liberal wing of the court, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Section 5 is now "immobilized."

Ginsburg read a summary of her dissent from the bench, quoting the late civil rights leader King. In her written opinion, she accused Roberts of downplaying the authority Congress has under amendments to the Constitution that were enacted after the U.S. Civil War when slavery was first prohibited but concerns remained about how former Confederate states would treat black people.

Congress approached the 2006 re-authorization "with great care and seriousness," she added. "The same cannot be said of the court's opinion today."

Section 5 of the law required certain states, mainly in the South, to show that any proposed election-law change does not discriminate against black, Latino or other minority voters.

The nine fully covered states were Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas and Virginia.

Democratic Senator Charles Schumer of New York said of the ruling: "Make no mistake about it, this is a back door way to gut the Voting Rights Act. As long as Republicans have a majority in the House and Democrats don't have 60 votes in the Senate, there will be no preclearance."

"It is confounding that after decades of progress on voting rights, which have become part of the American fabric, the Supreme Court would tear it asunder," Schumer added.

Tuesday's ruling leaves intact Section 2 of the act, which broadly prohibits intentional discrimination in the voting arena. The Justice Department will still be able to intervene to enforce the law in that respect.

ISSUE STILL PROMINENT

The issue of voting rights remains prominent in the United States. During the 2012 presidential election campaign, judges nationwide heard challenges to new voter identification laws and redrawn voting districts. The most restrictive moves ended up being blocked before the November elections.

Just last week, the Supreme Court struck down an Arizona state law that required people registering to vote in federal elections to show proof of citizenship, a victory for activists who said it discouraged Native Americans and Latinos from voting.

Democrats say that and similar measures, championed by Republicans at the state level, were intended to make it more difficult for certain voters who tend to vote Democratic to cast ballots.

In February, Obama, a Democrat, decried barriers to voting in America and announced a commission to address voting issues.

The case is Shelby County v. Holder, U.S. Supreme Court, No. 12-96.

Prospero
06-25-2013, 07:07 PM
http://projects.nytimes.com/live-dashboard/2013-06-25-supreme-court

Willie Escalade
06-26-2013, 12:51 AM
Pretty much.

Glad I live in California...more diversity. I guess the South will remain red. Except Texas.

trish
06-26-2013, 06:17 AM
Surely a bad decision?Not if you're wealthy and trying to get representatives in office who will hand over the reigns of power for a few measly handouts, plane trips, golf outings and rhinestone studded compliments. The purpose of this decision is precisely to disenfranchise urban working class voters, and suppress the vote of racial minorities.

buttslinger
06-26-2013, 06:39 AM
The race is on!!!



Antonin Scalia, 76
Anthony Kennedy, 76
Keith Richards, 68
Clarence Thomas, 64

Prospero
06-26-2013, 06:04 PM
Not if you're wealthy and trying to get representatives in office who will hand over the reigns of power for a few measly handouts, plane trips, golf outings and rhinestone studded compliments. The purpose of this decision is precisely to disenfranchise urban working class voters, and suppress the vote of racial minorities.

Well after the shenanigans during the last Presidential race the Conservatives have now cleared the way for the vote to be tampered with all over the US....

hippifried
06-28-2013, 07:04 PM
Well after the shenanigans during the last Presidential race the Conservatives have now cleared the way for the vote to be tampered with all over the US....

just show the tampering, & the act can be reworked to make all the States seek approval of their voting changes. This ruling was bound to happen, just because it singled out certain States.

martin48
06-28-2013, 07:50 PM
"Elections are decided by the votes of the uneducated many for the corrupt few."
George Bernard Shaw.

Nothing changes!


Not if you're wealthy and trying to get representatives in office who will hand over the reigns of power for a few measly handouts, plane trips, golf outings and rhinestone studded compliments. The purpose of this decision is precisely to disenfranchise urban working class voters, and suppress the vote of racial minorities.

Prospero
07-02-2013, 02:32 PM
And so it begins. The South will rise again ! North Carolina make the first move...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-voting-rights-20130630,0,211700.story

starkem
07-02-2013, 03:35 PM
To the contrary, for better or worst, the south has never fallen -just its ability to incorporate unfair practices into its political , economical and social development.

Unfortunately, the Union nor the Confederacy were inclined to address slavery then -nor are the Democrats or Republicans of the present day worried about group discrimination. Hence, it is merely another Supreme Court decision upholding individual rights; however, those disenfranchised due to benign neglect as a group has no verifiable standing (or place, according to some) in legislation or court decisions thereto.

Now we can have conflicting views about whether discrimination exists today and for whom and by whom. There will be no resounding conclusion reached by these opposing sides then or now. On this basis, the Civil Rights Acts of 1964-65 will be arbitrarily dismantled on this basis regardless to their moral, ethical and equitable lacking.

trish
07-02-2013, 03:59 PM
To the contrary, for better or worst, the south has never fallen -just its ability to incorporate unfair practices into its political , economical and social development. The open practice of slavery is gone, yet the South's ability to disenfranchise whole segments of its population is alive, well and doing much better now, thanks to Chief Justice Roberts' well executed gutting of The Voting Rights Act.

There are no conflicting "views" on whether discrimination still exists in the U.S. today and who the victims are. There is what everyone knows and sees to be the truth, and there is the pose taken by those who are unwilling to surrender their advantage and continue their endeavor to assume political control via voter suppression.

Prospero
07-02-2013, 04:17 PM
well said Trish

muh_muh
07-02-2013, 08:17 PM
i fail to see how this is even an issue to begin with
what kind of a system requires you to register to vote in the first palce instead of sending voting permits to every citizen and what kind of silly country do you have to live in where the country doesnt issue ids to every citizen?

hippifried
07-02-2013, 11:54 PM
To the contrary, for better or worst, the south has never fallen -just its ability to incorporate unfair practices into its political , economical and social development.

& as long as they've managed to keep those "traditions" alive, they've remained backward, tantamount to the third world. Things have gotten so much better throughout the region since the stupidity of discrimination was stifled. Now a bunch of fools want to revive the idiocy & crush hopes of economic equality among the States. Despite the misguided ramblings of those "Calhounists" who think States are autonomous, I can't think of any possible way this can be a good idea.

starkem
07-03-2013, 02:16 AM
My limited understanding of U.S. history contends that slavery had run its course by the end of the 19th century into the 20th century: not to correct a social injustice, but rather that the south and the north were in severe conflict as to political an economic power.

The south did not fall after the civil; rather it was allowed to flourish under the Three-Fifth compromise, granting the southern states the right to count each slave as 3/5 of a their total states population for the purposes of delegates to the U.S. Congress while at the same time denying the slaves their civil rights to an education, voting privilege, etc. The Norhtern staes faired no better in this open oppression of human rights in that the north wanted to deny these exponentially higher southern populations -due to the population of slaves- the sought after delegates for political power; thereby, the north denied that slaves were human beings (they were chattel) for the purpose of delegates awarded a state by population. Remember that the presidency is not selected by the public, but rather by the state according to its number of delegates.

The onset of the colossal industrial and manufacturing innovations occurring at this time level the economic playing field for the north. There was, however, slavery alive and well in the north, but you could buy your freedom -whhereas, in the south, slaves were considered chat tell slavery for the purposes of the economic development of southern states. Ironically, the conflict was that the south had just the opposite resolution when it came the counting of a slave for political power. So both the north and south were hypocritical oppressors. Moreover, slaves fought on both sides of the Civil War, respectively for their Union or Confederate slave owners.

It would be misleading, even today, to present a United States effectively addressing discrimination. Further, it would be a misnomer to suggest a backward "hillbilly" mentality has any political or economic power in the south. Discrimination is alive and well in America, and its participants are more sophisticated powerful and complex than the Klan could ever be. Thus, to the contrary, the south has never fallen and the Civil Rights Act sought to adjust the responsibility of the southern states to educate and care for their former slaves in the antebellum south while ignoring the hypocrisy of social neglect in the North. There were as many lynchings in the north as associated with the south.

I dare not take sides in this new development which seeks to dismantle these civil rights legislation and further outcries of reverse discrimination by northernes and southerners at present day, without knowing these nuances of factual history. Emotionally, one would have good cause to pick a side on this Supreme Court decision. I prefer to analyze it from this limited understanding of U.S. history to make perfect sense of my own accord that both affirmation and dissent in this matter are full of shit.

:)

Sorry, I'm not going to proof this post before posting....so forgive the grammar, punctuation, and comprehensibility of it al in advance. *sigh*

trish
07-03-2013, 03:16 AM
The 3/5 compromise was written at the Philadelphia Convention of 1787. The 14th Amendment that followed as a result of the Civil War superseded the compromise. The rest of your history is equally wanting.

starkem
07-03-2013, 03:19 AM
Thank you so much for that clarification.


The 3/5 compromise was written at the Philadelphia Convention of 1787. The 14th Amendment that followed as a result of the Civil War superseded the compromise. The rest of your history is equally wanting.

starkem
07-03-2013, 03:22 AM
Am I at least right on the other historical context of the conflict of north and south arising to the Civil War? Lol


The 3/5 compromise was written at the Philadelphia Convention of 1787. The 14th Amendment that followed as a result of the Civil War superseded the compromise. The rest of your history is equally wanting.

starkem
07-03-2013, 03:27 AM
Is that conflict indicative of the context of reversing these impimentations set up after the south conceded?

hippifried
07-03-2013, 04:32 AM
You're all over the timeline, Starkem. Slavery, as a legal institution, was gone after the "civil war". Amendment XIII was ratified 8 months after Appomattox, in 1865. By 1868, Amendment XIV was ratified & did away with the 3/5 counting rule. When the industrial revolution came along, it didn't take long for industries to realize that there was more profit in increasing production per man-hour than in owning people. The antebellum south didn't get it, & was already in decline. They totally collapsed while getting the snot kicked out of them during the war, & since they still didn't get it & refused to be smart, they got stuck in the 19th century & stayed there for a hundred years. They cut off their nose to spite their face, & now a whole bunch of fools around the country want to do it again. Not a good idea to go out of your way to piss off large segments of the population. Strife is costly & counterproductive.

starkem
07-03-2013, 01:15 PM
I thought that is what I said in spite of the fact that I got the rule mixed up with the amendment. The point being that neither the north or south had any ethical considerations for ratifying or reforming the social ills of slavery -merely an economical advantage. This lack of moral motivation has plagued the the efforts of well meaning Americans under the guise of Union and Confederate and now Democrat and Republican.

A two party system or a political ideology (conservative or liberal) remains the distraction and exploitation of the people with impunity. The divide between rich and poor has perpetuated and grown exponentially -a disparity with no hope of making the descendants of slavery and discrimination truly understand such developments. It is a two-headed coin with corrupted value.

......well I'm off my soapbox LOL I am definitely wrong about a lot of things and have a hard time conveying thoughts without rambling on...but I am not surprised by the Supreme Courts decision...nor do I think the ethical consideration is of any inquisitive value given the historical context of uniting the states....so I yield the floor and thank you all for at least reading a different perspective.

:party:


You're all over the timeline, Starkem. Slavery, as a legal institution, was gone after the "civil war". Amendment XIII was ratified 8 months after Appomattox, in 1865. By 1868, Amendment XIV was ratified & did away with the 3/5 counting rule. When the industrial revolution came along, it didn't take long for industries to realize that there was more profit in increasing production per man-hour than in owning people. The antebellum south didn't get it, & was already in decline. They totally collapsed while getting the snot kicked out of them during the war, & since they still didn't get it & refused to be smart, they got stuck in the 19th century & stayed there for a hundred years. They cut off their nose to spite their face, & now a whole bunch of fools around the country want to do it again. Not a good idea to go out of your way to piss off large segments of the population. Strife is costly & counterproductive.

trish
07-03-2013, 03:47 PM
Sorry to be brief, but I'm rather rushed over the next few days. But here's my take:

Neither “The South” nor “The North” is the sort of thing that can have an integrated motivation. The largely agrarian south and the industrial north certainly had economic differences. But it is not at all clear these would have led to succession and war without the increasing heated friction between Abolitionists and slavers. These heated controversies congealed around whether or not new States would enter the Union as slave states or free states. Whether or not a States can have motivations is a question of philosophy, but people certainly do. Many union soldiers fought to maintain the Union, but many fought to end slavery.


(I'm waiting for Stavros to weight in...He's our resident historian).

starkem
07-03-2013, 05:27 PM
Yes..interesting. I am also interested in this input. Thanks. :)


Sorry to be brief, but I'm rather rushed over the next few days. But here's my take:

Neither “The South” nor “The North” is the sort of thing that can have an integrated motivation. The largely agrarian south and the industrial north certainly had economic differences. But it is not at all clear these would have led to succession and war without the increasing heated friction between Abolitionists and slavers. These heated controversies congealed around whether or not new States would enter the Union as slave states or free states. Whether or not a States can have motivations is a question of philosophy, but people certainly do. Many union soldiers fought to maintain the Union, but many fought to end slavery.


(I'm waiting for Stavros to weight in...He's our resident historian).

hippifried
07-03-2013, 10:06 PM
Sorry to be brief...

Well I guess somebody needs to cum over there & pull those briefs off ya.

As for the topic: The main issue, as far as the non-rebel States were concerned, was preservation of the nation. They didn't need other reasons. The Confederacy itself was a gross violation of the US Constitution that the southern States were all signed on to (Article I section 10). Europe was lickin' their chops, & waiting to reclaim the continent upon collapse. Slavery was a real big deal, but this was bigger. The Calhounists just didn't want to change with the times. It's not like they were ever gonna get their slave investment back. Call it stubborn stupid. Seems familiar.

starkem
07-03-2013, 10:43 PM
Cute on your first line (smiles)

For the rest: I concur. :iagree:

:wiggle: thanks and I apologize again for the faulty timeline. I was too lazy to look it up and winged it. Trying to be brief.....

#accidentallydroppingsoap



Well I guess somebody needs to cum over there & pull those briefs off ya.

As for the topic: The main issue, as far as the non-rebel States were concerned, was preservation of the nation. They didn't need other reasons. The Confederacy itself was a gross violation of the US Constitution that the southern States were all signed on to (Article I section 10). Europe was lickin' their chops, & waiting to reclaim the continent upon collapse. Slavery was a real big deal, but this was bigger. The Calhounists just didn't want to change with the times. It's not like they were ever gonna get their slave investment back. Call it stubborn stupid. Seems familiar.

hippifried
07-04-2013, 12:42 AM
I like to think of Trish as a pal on here. I got nothin' but love for somebody that smart, erudite, & seemingly without any sexual qualms whatsoever.

As for me: Never a need to apologize. A marble shrine in my honor will do fine.
I think Mom felt I was real smart, because she told me all the time. Her memory wasn't great though. She'd forget my name when paying the compliment.
What was it she called me again?

Oh yeah.


DAMN SMART ALEK!!

starkem
07-04-2013, 01:05 AM
LOL. good show...