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Dino Velvet
06-14-2013, 07:28 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/irans-voters-show-fervor-showdown-atmosphere-161630235.html


Iran's voters show fervor in showdown atmosphere

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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's supreme leader delivered a salty rebuke to the U.S. Friday as Iranians lined up to vote in a presidential election that has suddenly become a showdown across the Islamic Republic's political divide: hard-liners looking to cement their control and re-energized reformists backing the lone moderate.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei responded to U.S. questions over the openness of the balloting, telling Washington "the hell with you" after voting in a race widely criticized in the West as pre-rigged in favor of Tehran's ruling system.
Long lines snaked outside some voting stations in Tehran and elsewhere. Iran's interior ministry extended the voting time by four hours. The enthusiasm suggested an election once viewed as a pre-engineered victory for Iran's ruling establishment has become a chance for reform-minded voters to re-exert their voices after years of withering crackdowns.
There is no clear front-runner among the six candidates trying to succeed the combative President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose eight-year era is coming to an end because of rules blocking a run for a third consecutive term. But influential figures on all sides have appealed for a strong turnout, indicating both the worries and hopes across an election that has been transformed in recent days.
Iran's loose coalition of liberals, reformists and opposition activists — battered and fragmented by relentless pressures — have found last-minute inspiration in former nuclear negotiator Hasan Rowhani, the only relative moderate left in the race.
A victory by Rowhani would be seen as a small setback for Iran's hard-liners, but not the type of overwhelming challenge posed four years ago by the reformist Green Movement, which was brutally crushed after mass protests claiming Ahmadinejad's 2009 re-election was the result of systematic fraud in the vote counting.
Iran's president has no direct say in key decisions — such as the nuclear program, defense and foreign relations — but sets an important tone on the world stage and as the country's main envoy.
If no candidate wins an outright majority, a runoff pitting the two top finishers would take place June 21, so even a strong showing by Rowhani in Friday's voting could face another test. Results are expected early Saturday.
Rowhani's backers, such as former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani — who was blocked from running by Iran's ruling system — have urged reformists and others to cast ballots and abandon plans to boycott the election in protest over years of arrests and intimidation.
"Both I and my mother voted for Rowhani," said Saeed Joorabchi, a university student in geography, after casting his ballot at a mosque in west Tehran.
In the Persian Gulf city of Bandar Abbas, local journalist Ali Reza Khorshidzadeh said many polling stations have significant lines and many voters appear to back Rowhani.
But fervor also was strong for other presumed leading candidates: hardline nuclear negotiator Saeed Jalili and Tehran's mayor, Mohammad Bagher Qalibaf, who is boosted by a reputation as a steady hand for Iran's sanctions-wracked economy.
"We should resist the West," said Tehran taxi driver Hasan Ghasemi, who backed Jalili.
Outside Iran, votes were casts by the country's huge diaspora including Dubai, London and points across the United States.
Khamenei, who has not publicly endorsed a successor for Ahmadinejad following their falling out over the president's attempts to challenge the supreme leader's near-absolute powers, remained mum on his choice Friday.
Instead, he blasted the U.S. for its repeated criticism of Iran's clampdowns on the opposition and the rejection of Rafsanjani and other moderate voices from the ballot.
"Recently I have heard that a U.S. security official has said they do not accept this election," Khamenei was quoted by state TV after casting his vote. "OK, the hell with you."
In Washington on Thursday, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said that while the U.S. does not think the Iranian election process is transparent, it is not discouraging the Iranian people from voting.
"We certainly encourage them to," Psaki said. "But certainly the history here and what happened just four years ago gives all of us pause."
Iran's election overseers allowed eight candidates on the ballot out of more than 680 registered. Two candidates later dropped out in bids to consolidate votes with rivals. Journalists were under wide-ranging restrictions such as requiring permission to travel around the country. Iran does not allow outside election observers.
Iran's security networks, meanwhile, have displayed their near-blanket control, ranging from swift crackdowns on any public dissent to cyberpolice blocking opposition Internet websites and social media.
Yet other cracks are evident.
Western sanctions over Iran's nuclear program have pummeled the economy by shrinking vital oil sales and leaving the country isolated from international banking systems. New U.S. measures taking effect July 1 further target the country's currency, the rial, which has lost half its foreign exchange value in the past year, driving prices of food and consumer goods sharply higher.
Such concerns could have a direct effect on the outcome of the election. Qalibaf is widely viewed as a capable fiscal manager and could draw in votes, since economic affairs are among the direct responsibilities of Iran's president.
All other major issues are fully controlled by the Khamenei, his inner circle and its protectors, led by the powerful Revolutionary Guard. The other candidates permitted on the ballot by election overseers are seen as loyalists, including Jalili and Khamenei adviser Ali Akbar Velayati.
Such insiders in the presidency would give Iran's leadership a seamless front with significant challenges ahead, such as the possible resumption of nuclear talks with the U.S. and other world powers and the increasing showdown in Syria between rebels and the Iranian-backed regime of Bashar Assad.
Recent comments by Khamenei were interpreted as leaning toward Jalili, whose reputation is further enhanced by a battlefield injury during the 1980-88 war with Iraq that cost him the lower part of his right leg.
But the election also could leave Iran further divided. Rowhani's rapid rise from longshot to reformist hopeful — aided by endorsements from artists and activists — has shown the resilience of Iran's opposition despite relentless crackdowns. A defeat could leave them even more embittered and alienated.
At final rallies, Rowhani's supporters waved his campaign's signature purple — a clear nod to the single-color identity of the now-crushed Green Movement and its leader, Mir Hossein Mousavi, who has been under house arrest for more than two years. On Wednesday, thousands of supporters welcomed Rowhani yelling: "Long live reforms."
Some Rowhani backers also have used the campaign events to chant for the release of Mousavi and other political prisoners, including former parliament speaker Mahdi Karroubi, leading to some arrests and scuffles with police.
Rowhani is far from a radical outsider, though. He led the influential Supreme National Security Council and was given the highly sensitive nuclear envoy role in 2003, a year after Iran's 20-year-old atomic program was revealed.
But he is believed to favor a less confrontational approach with the West and would give a forum for now-sidelined officials such as Rafsanjani and former President Mohammad Khatami, whose reformist terms from 1997-2005 opened unprecedented social and political freedoms that have since been largely rolled back.
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Murphy reported from Dubai, United Arab Emirates.




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Prospero
06-14-2013, 07:46 PM
I think this is one for Stavros. But as I see it we can expect little change after the election. All the genuine reformers and moderates were ruled out of the race by the ruling council - made up of clerics. We'll just have to learn a new name just when we've got used to Ahmadinejad.

Stavros
06-14-2013, 09:19 PM
There are three key candidates and if none of them get more than 50% of the vote the ones with the lowest will drop out and the remaining two will go head-to-head on June 21 (this is similar to the French electoral system).

The three leading candidates are:
Saeed Jalili -the candidate for the Front of Islamic Revolution Stability and favoured by Ayatollah Khamane'i and the Supreme Guardian Council; represents Iran in negotiations with the UN over nuclear development; veteran of the Iran-Iraq War (in which he lost a leg).

Hassan Rouhani (sometimes Rowhani) -candidate for the Association of Combatant Clerics (George W Bush and Dick Cheney shrieking with laughter in the background); also the 'Reformist' candidate with backing from Ali Hashemi Rafsanjani who was barred from standing.

Mohammed Ghalibaf -candidate for the Islamic Society of Engineers, allegedly popular Mayor of Tehran since 2005. Has cheerfully admitted that when he was in the police he beat up students.

According to al-Jazeerah monitoring, the assumed support for Jalili has declined while support for both Rowhani and Ghalibaf has increased. The turnout, according to the BBC has been heavy which means there could be a surprise, but this suggests that Ghalibaf could emerge as the front runner as he is mostly concerned with jobs and the economy which is one of the voters key concerns (rather than the Satanic West, Syria and nuclear development). He would also reflect a muted voice given the aggressive crackdown that followed the Green Movement's surge in 2009. Or, Rowhani could face a run-off with Ghalibaf. Or I could just be completely wrong!

Al-Jazeera profiles are here:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2013/06/2013611135620419515.html

Dino Velvet
06-15-2013, 07:10 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-president-elect-carries-reform-hopes-routing-hardliners-165613338.html


Iran president-elect carries reform hopes after routing hardliners

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By Marcus George
DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran's new president, a moderate cleric known for his conciliatory nuclear talks with world powers, will take office carrying the hopes of reformists seeking less repression of social freedoms and a more pragmatic foreign policy.
Hassan Rohani is someone world powers are likely to welcome as the successor to hardline populist incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, hoping he might pursue peaceful ways out of an increasingly tense standoff with Iran over its nuclear activity.
To the surprise of many, Rohani polled just over 50 percent of the votes cast in Friday's election, according to the interior ministry, good enough for a landslide first-round victory over conservatives close to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Rohani's focus on rehabilitating Iran's foreign relations and its sanctions-damaged economy and his call for a "civil rights charter" proved appealing to the significant number of Iranians keen for more political pluralism at home and an end to the Islamic Republic's isolation abroad.
The former nuclear negotiator's bridge-building track record secured the vote of pro-reform Iranians politically muzzled for years, but he could also work well with the wary Khamenei thanks to his impeccable background in Iran's clerical establishment.
Khamenei's grip faltered in 2009 when millions of Iranians took to the streets in protests - stamped out by security forces after months of deadly violence - over alleged fraud in Ahmadinejad's first-round re-election.
Khamenei, who has the last say on over-arching state policies including security and the nuclear program, was widely seen as wanting a loyal hardline "principlist" to win big without dispute this time around.
But U.S.-based Iranian analyst Trita Parsi suggested Rohani's resounding election triumph showed the evolving balance of power in Iran was more complex than many had reckoned.
"Though hardliners remain in control of key aspects of Iran's political system, the centrists and reformists have proven that even when the cards are stacked against them, they can still prevail due to their support among the population," Parsi wrote in an emailed commentary.
Rohani managed to win with a constituency - whose core was believed to be the urban middle class and young - that had been widely disillusioned by years of security crackdowns that stifled virtually any public dissent from Islamist orthodoxy.
Reformists led by former president Mohammad Khatami resurfaced from quiescence to endorse Rohani earlier this month after their own candidate withdrew from a field dominated by conservative Khamenei loyalists.
Rohani picked up further momentum with the endorsement of his mentor, former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a veteran rival of Khamenei who was disqualified from running last month.
Rohani has pledged to draw up and implement a "civil rights charter, promote a foreign policy based on "constructive interaction with the world", and has spoken up for the rights of women and ethnic minorities.
CRITICISM OVER CONCILIATORY TALKS
Rohani, 64, headed the Supreme National Security Council under Rafsanjani, a relative pragmatist seen as a master of realpolitik, and under Khatami, who pursued wide-ranging social and political reforms ultimately blocked by hardliners in the dominant elite of clerics and Revolutionary Guards commanders.
He presided over talks with Britain, France and Germany that saw Iran agree in 2003 to suspend uranium enrichment-related activities pending further negotiations on trade and diplomatic concessions to Iran ultimately undone by mutual mistrust.
He resigned after Ahmadinejad took office in August 2005; enrichment activity resumed and expanded. Rohani was accused of being too accommodating in negotiations - a criticism that hardline rivals tried to exploit.
But Rohani deftly counter-attacked. In a May 27 interview on Iranian state television, Rohani sparred with a news anchor, calling him "illiterate" for saying Iran's nuclear program had stopped during his tenure as negotiator.
"This is a lie," he said. Rohani noted that Iran had continued to make advances in nuclear know-how while he headed its security council and he had steered the country away from threats of Israeli or U.S. attack on its nuclear sites.
"We didn't allow Iran to be attacked. Remember the sensitive conditions at the time ... they had gotten Afghanistan, they had occupied Iraq. They imagined tomorrow or the day after tomorrow it would be Iran's turn," referring to the U.S. military.
REVOLUTIONARY CREDENTIALS
No one questions the revolutionary pedigree of the mid-level Shi'ite cleric, who was active in the opposition that overthrew the U.S.-backed shah in 1979. He remains on the security council and on the Expediency Council and the Assembly of Experts, two influential advisory bodies in the multi-tiered power structure.
Rohani boasts military experience through prominent roles in Iran's 1980-88 war with Iraq, including as commander of national air defense, according to his official biography.
He has, however, maintained a centrist outlook shared with former president Rafsanjani, a close ally.
Rohani hinted he would stand aside if Rafsanjani joined the race. But the Guardian Council, the state body that vets all election candidates, barred Rafsanjani, who would have posed the most significant independent threat to Khamenei's supremacy.
Rohani criticized the pre-election increase of police and Islamist militia in the streets, apparently to deter any temptation for new unrest. "Why should there be a security atmosphere everywhere? In the streets, universities, schools, organizations, we must put an end to this security atmosphere."
BROKEN ECONOMY
During Ahmadinejad's two terms in office, friction with the West over the nuclear program has risen with the United States and Europe imposing sanctions on Iran's oil and banks over suspicions Tehran is seeking atomic bombs, something it denies.
The tightening international vice has sent Iran's currency, the rial, into steep decline and exacerbated the impact of what critics say was Ahmadinejad's shambolic economic management.
Rohani has bemoaned the plight of the economy and, suggesting it was caused in part by the increasing ostracism of Iran over its intransigence in the nuclear dispute, pledged the creation of a "government of prudence and hope" if elected.
"Looking at the state of the country and urban and rural problems, the young and the old, the students ... everyone knows what problems and social issues we are facing in everyday life," he said in a recent interview on state television. "Is there a family out there that isn't affected by unemployment?"
(For an Interactive timeline of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as president of Iran please click on http://link.reuters.com/cas68t ))
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Dino Velvet
06-15-2013, 07:12 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/arabs-put-slim-hopes-iranian-president-163819391.html


Arabs put (slim) hopes in new Iranian president

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By Alastair Macdonald and Angus McDowall
CAIRO/RIYADH (Reuters) - The election of a moderate Iranian president could help rein in hostility between Tehran and its Arab neighbors, but many Arabs doubt he can end a sectarian confrontation that has been inflamed by war in Syria.
Hassan Rohani, a Shi'ite cleric known for a conciliatory approach and backed by reformists, will have only limited say in policy determined by Iran's supreme leader; but with the Syrian carnage fuelling rage among Sunni Arabs across the region, any gestures from Tehran may help contain it.
"We hope the new Iranian president will be a believer in a political solution in Syria," said one ambassador at the Arab League in Cairo. "All that we read about Rohani might be grounds for hope - but there is a great difference between election campaigns and what is said once in office."
For the United States and Western powers, at odds with Iran for decades and now rallying with arms behind rebels fighting Syria's Iranian-backed president, fierce religious enmities in the oil-rich Middle East add to fears of wider instability.
In Saudi Arabia, whose U.S.-allied rulers lead opposition to what they see as Iran's drive to spread its power and religion, well-informed analyst Jamal Khashoggi said: "I'm sure for the Saudi leadership this is the best outcome of the elections."
He recalled that Iran's last reformist president, Mohammad Khatami, who visited Riyadh while in office from 1997-2005, had mended ties - but at a time of less ferocious disputes. Unlike now, Khashoggi said, "Iran was not meddling heavily in Syria, Bahrain and Yemen ... There were no Shi'ites killing Sunnis."
In Syria, where mainly Sunni rebels are battling Iran's ally President Bashar al-Assad and his Alawite establishment, who belong to an offshoot of Shi'ism, opposition activists saw little hope for change from Rohani:
"The election is cosmetic," said Omar al-Hariri from Deraa, where the uprising began during the Arab Spring two years ago.
Muhammed al-Husseini, from the Sunni Islamist rebel group Ahrar al-Sham in Raqaa, noted power in Iran rested with Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. "The powers given to the Iranian president are weak these days," he said. "They are fake powers."
In Bahrain, whose Saudi-backed Sunni monarchy accuses Iran of fomenting protests among the Shi'ite majority on the island since 2011, Information Minister Samira Rajab told Reuters: "I think Rohani is one of a team. And anybody who comes from that team will continue the same policy ... We have no more trust in the Iranian regime after what happened in Bahrain."
EGYPTIAN CAUTION
In Egypt, by far the biggest Arab nation, new rulers from the Muslim Brotherhood had lately launched a rapprochement with Iran but have now joined a Sunni call for jihad in Syria after Iran's Lebanese ally Hezbollah sent in its fighters last month.
Traditionally more open than the Saudi clerical hierarchy to conciliation across the sectarian divide, the Brotherhood still hopes for a change of heart in Tehran: "We are looking forward to seeing how the winner is going to act," said Murad Ali, a spokesman for the Islamist movement's Freedom and Justice Party.
"Will there be any change to the policies from the Iranians, especially concerning the Syrian crisis? We are in general open to cooperation with Iran ... However, we do have our concerns ... related to ... their interference in Syrian affairs."
On the streets of Cairo, however, sectarian passions are running high, piling pressure on Egyptian and other Arab rulers.
Outside the Al-Azhar Mosque, built 1,000 years ago by the Shi'ite Fatimid caliphs who founded the city but now a major seat of Sunni learning, construction worker Mohamed Abdelsattar, 35, said: "All Egyptians hate Iran after what has happened in Syria. What's happening there now is Shi'ites killing Sunnis."
Limousine driver Abdelaziz Darwish, 57, had low expectations of any change in Tehran: "All Iranians are the same," he said. "Shi'ites are more dangerous even than the Jews."
Standing by his fresh-juice stand, Khaled Fathi, 49, twinned his anger at Iranian involvement in Syria with suspicion of the welcome that Islamist President Mohamed Mursi gave earlier this year to Iran's hardline outgoing president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad:
"Iran makes problems for us all over the world," he said. "Iran is helping Mursi, I'm sure of it."
A group of Lebanese Sunni clerics, visiting Al-Azhar while attending the Cairo conference that has issued a call for holy war in Syria, voiced some hope for change from Rohani, however:
"Maybe this new president in Iran will be better," said Sheikh Hassan Abdelrahman from the city of Tripoli, which has seen recent fighting between Lebanese Sunnis and Shi'ites.
Sheikh Malik al-Jdeideh, also from Tripoli, said: "We came to Egypt to tell Mohamed Mursi that we reject Iranian actions in Syria ... But we are working for all religions to be at peace."
Sectarian atrocities in Syria, and the open appearance of Iran's Lebanese allies on the battlefield, has forged an unusual degree of unity among major Arab governments following the wave of revolt that shook the region and notably replaced U.S. ally Hosni Mubarak in Egypt with the Islamists of the Brotherhood.
GULF TENSIONS
Iran's new influence in Iraq - after the 2003 U.S. invasion replaced the Sunni Saddam Hussein with an elected, Shi'ite-led government - had already put Saudi Arabia on the defensive. And Tehran's nuclear dispute with the West and Israel has alarmed oil-exporting neighbors, who fear a war, with all the upheaval it would bring.
One Arab League ambassador said Gulf states hoped Rohani, a former nuclear negotiator, might help to defuse that tension.
But a Gulf envoy at the League said Rohani would have little power and was unlikely, in any case, to differ in his views: "They all aim to export the Iranian revolution to neighboring states and interfere in the Gulf states and Syria and Lebanon."
For Shi'ites who live in Sunni-ruled states, and often complain of being unfairly branded as agents of the Persian-speaking power, any reduction in tension would be welcome.
Khalil Ebrahim al-Marzooq of Bahrain's opposition al-Wefaq party, which speaks for many Shi'ites, said the election might bring warmer ties across the Gulf that would help his community.
"When relations are better," he said, "it gives the government no excuses to deprive the people of Bahrain of their rights."
Jafar al-Shayab, a former elected official in the mainly Shi'ite Saudi district of Qatif, said: "If this sectarian war going on in the region can cool down or stabilize, that will help to improve the relations between the Sunnis and the Shi'ites here."
Khalil al-Anani, a senior fellow at Washington's Middle East Institute currently in Cairo, said Rohani's ability to induce the Iranian leadership to take the heat out of its standoff with the Sunni Arab powers was unclear, but of vital importance.
"Mending Iran's relations with Arabs would require Rohani to secure strong support from other influential power centers in Iran ... which is unlikely in the short term," he said.
"The question of whether Rohani can be another Khatami is important and crucial for both Iran and the Arabs."
(Additional reporting by Ayman Samir and Tom Perry in Cairo, Oliver Holmes in Beirut; Writing by Alastair Macdonald; Editing by Kevin Liffey)

Stavros
06-15-2013, 07:17 PM
Result so far indicate that Rouhani has won over 50% of the vote and Ghalibaf around 16% which suggests there will be no need for a second round, and that the 'moderate' cleric who was nuclear negotiator when Khatami was President will succeed Ahmadinejad in a month's time.
Rouhani has taken a softer line in public on issues that annoy a lot of people, such as the harassment of women who are not 'properly dressed' and political prisoners, though it isn't clear if this means he will call for the release of members of the Green Movement who were arrested after the last elections in 2009. He apparently speaks Farsi, Arabic, French, English, German and Russian.
Rouhani has an MPhil and PhD in Law from Glasgow Caledonian University (when it was called Glasgow Polytechnic); has publicly stated he thinks that it would be better for Iranian industries to be working than for the nuclear plant at Natanz to be working, and is considered less provocative in his speeches than Ahmadinejad. He appears to be keen to open a dialogue with the west and to end sanctions, which will mark an interesting proposition for the Obama administration, given that the Bush administration refused point blank to consider even talking to Iran after 9/11 when Khatami was keen for a rapprochement. It isn't clear how much power the President has to change foreign policy which tends to be shaped by the Supreme Guardian Council -and Rouhani probably has little control over the Republican Guards and it will be interesting to monitor his relationship with the commander of the al-Quds brigade Qassem Suleymani. This does not suggest an immediate change in Iran's support for the Asad regime in Syria, for all his moderate politics, as seen in an Iranian perspective, he is an heir of Khomeini's revolution.

Prospero
06-15-2013, 09:30 PM
It is official. he has been elected Among a pretty conservative bunch he is described as "moderate'... so now we will wait and see if there will be any real change. Clearly the people of Iran want a shift.... but as Stavros says don't hold your breathe and expect any singificant shift towards support for Syria. The US has already raised the stakes on that.

danthepoetman
06-15-2013, 10:25 PM
This should open great perspectives, I suppose. Give some hope, at least. I think it's what the Americans have been counting on for a while, now. I suppose it is why there hasn't been any attack by them nor Israel on the nuclear installations. They knew the important opposition movement would eventually gather some influence. The population is so young in Iran. Hopefully, it will now build on.

Stavros
06-16-2013, 01:37 PM
This should open great perspectives, I suppose. Give some hope, at least. I think it's what the Americans have been counting on for a while, now. I suppose it is why there hasn't been any attack by them nor Israel on the nuclear installations. They knew the important opposition movement would eventually gather some influence. The population is so young in Iran. Hopefully, it will now build on.

Actually Dan there are claims Israel has attacked Iran indirectly, on the level of cyber-attacks (google Stuxnet), and the murders of senior officials involved with nuclear development.
http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/02/09/10354553-israel-teams-with-terror-group-to-kill-irans-nuclear-scientists-us-officials-tell-nbc-news?lite

Dino Velvet
06-16-2013, 06:54 PM
Actually Dan there are claims Israel has attacked Iran indirectly, on the level of cyber-attacks (google Stuxnet), and the murders of senior officials involved with nuclear development.
http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/02/09/10354553-israel-teams-with-terror-group-to-kill-irans-nuclear-scientists-us-officials-tell-nbc-news?lite

Thanks for that. Quite an eye-opener. Strange alliances occurring these days. Hard to make sense of anything. My Enemy's Enemy...

We(US) have deniability since we have MEK on a Terror List. How convenient. Can't work with them so can't talk with them or question them or answer questions about them. If they terrorize good enough we might remove them from the Terror List and promote them to rebels.

Oy vey, Allah hu Akbar, and y'all come back now, 'ya hear?

danthepoetman
06-16-2013, 09:45 PM
Actually Dan there are claims Israel has attacked Iran indirectly, on the level of cyber-attacks (google Stuxnet), and the murders of senior officials involved with nuclear development.
http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/02/09/10354553-israel-teams-with-terror-group-to-kill-irans-nuclear-scientists-us-officials-tell-nbc-news?lite
Yes, thank you, Stavros!
You can't help but admire the efficiency of the Mossad! An apprehensive and somewhat horrified admiration...

danthepoetman
06-27-2013, 08:32 AM
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SugaSweet
06-28-2013, 08:13 PM
A'Jad can now go back to competing in Ringo Starr look a like events.

Stavros
06-28-2013, 10:15 PM
Does he play the drums?