TV or not TV ...... that is the question? "

[KatherineRusTS]

TV or not TV .... that is the question? On this thread I want to bring up the question recently raised me personally and possibly my many colleagues in the sphere an escort of London

[KatherineRusTS]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/picture.php?albumid=1558&pictureid=11079

[KatherineRusTS]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/picture.php?albumid=1558&pictureid=11076

[KatherineRusTS]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/picture.php?albumid=1558&pictureid=11081

[nysprod]

Katherine, I'm not sure if I understand your question...if you're asking if you look more TV than TS, the answer is that you look gorgeous.

[KatherineRusTS]

Katherine, I'm not sure if I understand your question...if you're asking if you look more TV than TS, the answer is that you look gorgeous.

The essence of a question consists in that: To show who you are is actually, TV or not TV

[KatherineRusTS]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/picture.php?albumid=1558&pictureid=11082
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/picture.php?albumid=1558&pictureid=10890

[KatherineRusTS]

TS :
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/picture.php?albumid=1558&pictureid=11082
TV:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/picture.php?albumid=1558&pictureid=11084


The essence of the question is that: to show who you really are, TV or not TV .not all people correctly understand this term and can not understand what is the meaning between the TV and TS

[Prospero]

All very lovely K.... until that very last picture!

[KatherineRusTS]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/album.php?albumid=1592

PHOTO TV

[Prospero]

Ugh... I think you have proved your point Katherine lol

[amberskyi]

It's not anything you can tell from a photo

[KatherineRusTS]

All very lovely K.... until that very last picture!

Thanks for the compliment! ))) I would also like to hear the opinions of other participants in the Forum on this topic)))

[Prospero]

It's not anything you can tell from a photo

I disagree. I think that you CAN tell a crossdresser from a picture - like that gallery Katherine offered in a later post. But from her own pictures... yp... i just happen to know her and know she is a TS... and Amber i think I can tell from your pictures that you are a TS as well.

[KatherineRusTS]

It's not anything you can tell from a photo

My dear. Photo speak for themselves and show a real picture of who you really are ! I am confident that you, too, faced a similar question

[KatherineRusTS]

It's not anything you can tell from a photo

You can set the same and your photos if you wish to men understood the difference between TS and TV . To draw a clear line . I am sure that you look amazing

[LexusFire]

Are you kidding?!
Not TV, 100% stunning. Thats the answer

[amberskyi]

I disagree. I think that you CAN tell a crossdresser from a picture - like that gallery Katherine offered in a later post. But from her own pictures... yp... i just happen to know her and know she is a TS... and Amber i think I can tell from your pictures that you are a TS as well.

So how would you tell a ts who is an early transitioner from a tv or maybe a non-genetically blessed ts.
A photo is superficial and tells you nothing about how a person views their gender which after all is what separates a ts from a tv.

[amberskyi]

My dear. Photo speak for themselves and show a real picture of who you really are ! I am confident that you, too, faced a similar question

not really but I'm lucky enough to be to naturally curvy :)

[Gillian]

I still haven't a clue what the question is ... :D

[danthepoetman]

not really but I'm lucky enough to be to naturally curvy :)
Soft, sexy curves indeed, lady Amber! :cool:

[danthepoetman]

I still haven't a clue what the question is ... :D

Neither do I, Shelf. But it's nice: it's like a group discussion; it goes somewhere then anywhere and we keep following and enjoying... :)

[danthepoetman]

But from her own pictures... yp... i just happen to know her and know she is a TS... and Amber i think I can tell from your pictures that you are a TS as well.
Oh! yes you can tell!!
:iagree:

[KatherineRusTS]

I still haven't a clue what the question is ... :D

The question is : what is the difference between TV and TS . TV or Not TV .
Many people confuse these terms . I only show the difference .

[GroobySteven]

I still haven't a clue what the question is ... :D

Someone claimed she was TV in the escort section.

[KatherineRusTS]

So how would you tell a ts who is an early transitioner from a tv or maybe a non-genetically blessed ts.
A photo is superficial and tells you nothing about how a person views their gender which after all is what separates a ts from a tv.

The way you look in ordinary life is already talking about the selections you made and how you feel .
Many TV consider themselves TS but it's not how it really is !
I only bring downtime example for people to they understand who they are dealing with.
Between TS and TV there is a big difference in both external factors and mental and emotional plans

[KatherineRusTS]

Someone claimed she was TV in the escort section.

In this topic, I am not trying to prove who I am )) I'm just giving an example for people who do not understand the difference between one and another term.

[Quiet Reflections]

I just got a really great looking TV last weekend.

[EvaCassini]

I just got a really great looking TV last weekend.

Sony or Samsung? sry...couldnt help myself. no harm, just fun :) tehehehe

[KatherineRusTS]

A photo is superficial and tells you nothing about how a person views their gender which after all is what separates a ts from a tv.[/QUOTE]

Photo shows the end result : TV you or Not TV . Photo already talking about how you feel emotionally !

( I want to make a personal note : we are different people and grew up in different cultures , we have different understanding and perception of the world . From the very beginning we did not understand each other . I ask you to consider these points : because of this, there is a misunderstanding between us)

[Prospero]

So how would you tell a ts who is an early transitioner from a tv or maybe a non-genetically blessed ts.
A photo is superficial and tells you nothing about how a person views their gender which after all is what separates a ts from a tv.

Agreed Amber

[Quiet Reflections]

Sony or Samsung? sry...couldnt help myself. no harm, just fun :) tehehehe
Almost went with Samsung but got a Vizio instead. I had one vizio go to shit on me but Im a dumbass and went and bought another one. That Company has the worst customer service but it's TV's do have a great picture.

[MacShreach]

This is far too complex to respond to fully here but I have added a post on this to my blog at http://macshreach.wordpress.com/ which should inform.

[Prospero]

What... the choice of a new television set mac?

[tsadriana]

TV or not TV .... that is the question? On this thread I want to bring up the question recently raised me personally and possibly my many colleagues in the sphere an escort of London
Be happy and ignore all the none sense ...Doesnt matter how people sees you good or bad ...As long as they talk about you ,means you exist ...Stay happy

[joeninety]

Katherine, I'm not sure if I understand your question...if you're asking if you look more TV than TS, the answer is that you look gorgeous.

I think she is asking us whether we think she is Tv or Ts, as others on here had made some harsh comments.

Looks like she is using wordplay in reference to William Shakespeares play called Hamlet, in which someone said "To be, or not to be, that is the question"

Transsexualism isn't "just" about how you look, its about what gender you feel you are, and reconciling the inside with the outside, ...........As to whether you are Tv or Ts, well I think you ooze femininity, so my vote is you are definitely Ts

[danthepoetman]

Be happy and ignore all the none sense ...Doesnt matter how people sees you good or bad ...As long as they talk about you ,means you exist ...Stay happy
:iagree:

You're lovely, Katherine! We obviously see how much of a woman you are! You're a somptuous beauty!

I wonder if Katherine is not talking about the fact that some transvestites are sometimes grotesque. Of course, Amber had a good point in saying that we don't read hearts on a picture; sometimes we can't see how much of a woman someone who start her transition is, deep down. But Katherine is asking: "TV or TV?" Well, it's true that some transvestites are ridiculous, unfortunately. I would never tell any of them, because I find that it takes a lot of courage to present yourself as a woman when you know it's really not going to be convincing. Correct me if I'm wrong, Katherine, but I have the feeling you mean to say that a transsexual woman, because of her inner feeling of identity, will never look ridiculous. She'll always have some femininity to show, there will always be a sincerity that will be obvious and make her different from transvestites. Am I understanding you properly, Katherine? If it's so, I think you just might have a point...

[MacShreach]

What... the choice of a new television set mac?
Read it and find out

[Prospero]

I did actually...

[jennylicious]

This is far too complex to respond to fully here but I have added a post on this to my blog at http://macshreach.wordpress.com/ which should inform.

So you're a transvestite?

[youngblood61]

Be happy and ignore all the none sense ...Doesnt matter how people sees you good or bad ...As long as they talk about you ,means you exist ...Stay happyYou always make good sense Adriana!:)

[MacShreach]

So you're a transvestite?
No.

Unless wearing a kilt occasionally counts....

[KatherineRusTS]

Thank you all for participating in this thread! I am pleased to see that there are still people who are not indifferent. I like that you left your voice not only Like but do not like it. This means that I didn't stay out of work!!! Very happy that finally the matter was resolved!!! Those who voted against me special thanks)): come to visit me and I'll be with you good girl)))

[amberskyi]

A photo is superficial and tells you nothing about how a person views their gender which after all is what separates a ts from a tv.

Photo shows the end result : TV you or Not TV . Photo already talking about how you feel emotionally !

( I want to make a personal note : we are different people and grew up in different cultures , we have different understanding and perception of the world . From the very beginning we did not understand each other . I ask you to consider these points : because of this, there is a misunderstanding between us)[/QUOTE]

That misunderstanding has nothing to do with my opinions on this thread hun lol.i firmly believe one can not truly tell ones gender identity from a pic.
You think boobs would be an obvious sign but there are "girls"out there who only "transitioned"for some perceived financial again with out ever really feeling like a woman.this is a phenomenon that i heard is common in Thailand and Brazil.i suspect one of my friends is just such a person.
The only thing that matters is how you feel inside luv.

[jennylicious]

No.

Unless wearing a kilt occasionally counts....

Well it's just funny that you quote Blanchard, whose topology was generally debunked from the outset and for which current understanding is moving further and further away from it.

I assumed that you were a transvestites to be able to talk about it with such authority. I mean, don't get me wrong, you've obviously read on the subject, but unfortunately even the most intelligent people reading the wrong things can end up with the wrong conclusions.

The biggest problem is that Transvestism will always be associated with Transvestic-fetishism, however it is now believed that the percentage of the transvestite community that suffer from this particular fetish is tiny. It's also the case that Dual-Role transvestism is probably more prevalent and this comes in the same diagnosis section as Transsexualism.

Anyone who has read the comment proposals for the recently published DSM revision and the future ICD version (along with the comments made about combining them into a single volume) can see that there are recommendations to fold them into the DSM GID category. Actually, the whole thing looks like it is going to end up in a bit of a mess for everyone. While the ICD has made a distinction between fetish transvestism and gender linked transvestism, ultimately in the future it will probably end up like the DSM indicating there are some gender issues where transition is recommended, and some where it is not.

This then has the side effect that people will only think transvestism is linked to a fetish, and that makes the "not recommended" people what exactly? If Blanchard is going to be used to define what a transvestite is, they certainly don't fit into that category. People like Richard O'Brien and Eddie Izzard who are famously Transvestites, but who have also had to have gender counselling.

Also, reviewing the comments going into the DSM and ICD, it's clear that there is a tempest of dispute going on amongst various fractions, and it is clear that there isn't a definitive answer to what a transvestite actually is and a reasonable about of ignorance is still present.

Not that I think Blanchard made it up, and he makes some interesting observations, but the population samples that people are working with now are going to be much bigger than he had access to.

One thing we do know, is that if you got 100 transvestites into a room, you might find 100 different reasons for why they dress and maybe a 100 different pieces of information which would conflict with Blanchard's conclusions. Even if you were a transvestite, it wouldn't be safe to try and define why transvestites dress.

Needless to say, though I enjoyed your article and thought it was intelligent and well presented. The only really sensible thing to do, as things stand in the expert community, is not to try and say what it is at all. Let them argue it out, and maybe they'll know more in our lifetime. In the meantime, we're all human beings, and probably shouldn't be looking at divisions, and instead focusing on how we all get along on this planet.

[MacShreach]

Well it's just funny that you quote Blanchard, whose topology was generally debunked from the outset and for which current understanding is moving further and further away from it.

I assumed that you were a transvestites to be able to talk about it with such authority. I mean, don't get me wrong, you've obviously read on the subject, but unfortunately even the most intelligent people reading the wrong things can end up with the wrong conclusions.

The biggest problem is that Transvestism will always be associated with Transvestic-fetishism, however it is now believed that the percentage of the transvestite community that suffer from this particular fetish is tiny. It's also the case that Dual-Role transvestism is probably more prevalent and this comes in the same diagnosis section as Transsexualism.

Anyone who has read the comment proposals for the recently published DSM revision and the future ICD version (along with the comments made about combining them into a single volume) can see that there are recommendations to fold them into the DSM GID category. Actually, the whole thing looks like it is going to end up in a bit of a mess for everyone. While the ICD has made a distinction between fetish transvestism and gender linked transvestism, ultimately in the future it will probably end up like the DSM indicating there are some gender issues where transition is recommended, and some where it is not.

This then has the side effect that people will only think transvestism is linked to a fetish, and that makes the "not recommended" people what exactly? If Blanchard is going to be used to define what a transvestite is, they certainly don't fit into that category. People like Richard O'Brien and Eddie Izzard who are famously Transvestites, but who have also had to have gender counselling.

Also, reviewing the comments going into the DSM and ICD, it's clear that there is a tempest of dispute going on amongst various fractions, and it is clear that there isn't a definitive answer to what a transvestite actually is and a reasonable about of ignorance is still present.

Not that I think Blanchard made it up, and he makes some interesting observations, but the population samples that people are working with now are going to be much bigger than he had access to.

One thing we do know, is that if you got 100 transvestites into a room, you might find 100 different reasons for why they dress and maybe a 100 different pieces of information which would conflict with Blanchard's conclusions. Even if you were a transvestite, it wouldn't be safe to try and define why transvestites dress.

Needless to say, though I enjoyed your article and thought it was intelligent and well presented. The only really sensible thing to do, as things stand in the expert community, is not to try and say what it is at all. Let them argue it out, and maybe they'll know more in our lifetime. In the meantime, we're all human beings, and probably shouldn't be looking at divisions, and instead focusing on how we all get along on this planet.

I'm not a flag-bearer for Blanchard. His typology has many flaws, including lumping (his terms) late-presenting HSTS in with (his terms) AGTS, and arranging his questions to back this up. He took no account whatsoever of the socio-cultural factors which may cause transwomen to attempt to live as cis-men, such as peer and familial pressure, religious conditioning etc. However Blanchard was not really challenged from the beginning but from the publication of Mike Bailey's book The Man Who Would Be Queen in 2003.

What I would say about Blanchard is that he did identify, or at least develop the identification of, two categories of people who may be transsexual. His error was in trying to insist that these were the only two causes, when in fact at least IMO, there is a spectrum and not only that, individuals aqre quite capable of displaying the characteristics of several types. Having said all of that (phew) Blanchard's assessment of autogynephilia still is valid. There are clearly people who fit that profile, just as there are clearly people who fit the HSTS profile.

In terms of understanding the socio-cultural phenomenon, there is a need to analyse it; however in terms of helping to alleviate the discomfort of people, the attempt to psychologically pathologise transsexuals (however they got there) is of no help at all, and a pragmatic approach that this is a medical problem that can be helped with endocrine and surgical techniques with a very high success rate, seems far more reasonable.

This is broadly the position in the UK, where the Psychological Society has rejected what it sees as the excessive medicalisation apparent in the DSM revisions, and in France, where transsexualism has been completely declassified as a mental disorder. It's now simply regarded as a physical one.

[amberskyi]

After reading about him in not a big fan because most of his research seems to focus around the idea that sexuality and sexual attraction is what motivates a ts woman.
Also obviously I'm not a fan of his use of the term "homosexual transsexual".

[MacShreach]

After reading about him in not a big fan because most of his research seems to focus around the idea that sexuality and sexual attraction is what motivates a ts woman.
Also obviously I'm not a fan of his use of the term "homosexual transsexual".
You would not be alone in that.

Some people prefer the term 'androphilic TS' to indicate the same thing as 'HSTS'. It is a little more polite.

[EvaCassini]

I like kilts, though I never wore one, but they look dashing! ;)

[amberskyi]

You would not be alone in that.

Some people prefer the term 'androphilic TS' to indicate the same thing as 'HSTS'. It is a little more polite.

Right, because referring to us as just woman (ie. A ts woman attracted to men would just be a straight ts woman) would be too confusing smh

[EvaCassini]

hell, i consider we tgirls as mutants....why not, we can be real X-Men....literally LMAO What's your mutant power?

Mine would a mix. Cyclops ( but the radiation beam come out my cock ), Wolverine ( claws are cool, think of the many things you can do with them! :) ), and Magneto ( ever lose track of where the car keys are? Boom! Magnets Bitch! :p )

Ahhhhhh ...I digress lol

[MacShreach]

Right, because referring to us as just woman (ie. A ts woman attracted to men would just be a straight ts woman) would be too confusing smh
Well, that's what I call you, (as you probably know). No offence was meant and I strongly sympathise with where you're coming from, because...well, you know that too. But the chat did begin with a discussion of TV versus TS.

[amberskyi]

Well, that's what I call you, (as you probably know). No offence was meant and I strongly sympathise with where you're coming from, because...well, you know that too. But the chat did begin with a discussion of TV versus TS.

I wasn't singling you out sweetie.i was referring to the people that follow that particular school of thought

[danthepoetman]

I like kilts, though I never wore one, but they look dashing! ;)
And the secret is, Eva, that they don't wear anythning under! ;)

Jenny, Mac and Amber: really interresting and informed discussion! You are all impressive!

[RallyCola]

hell, i consider we tgirls as mutants....why not, we can be real X-Men....literally LMAO What's your mutant power?

Mine would a mix. Cyclops ( but the radiation beam come out my cock ), Wolverine ( claws are cool, think of the many things you can do with them! :) ), and Magneto ( ever lose track of where the car keys are? Boom! Magnets Bitch! :p )

Ahhhhhh ...I digress lol


i'd like to regenerate like wolverine, be telepathic like professor x, shape shift like mystique and be able to suck energy like rogue.

[fred41]

Well, I'm not a transsexual or transvestite, and I certainly don't have a degree in psychology...nor have I done any clinical studies...so I'm not going to try to define a transvestite. I feel that I do have a good grasp on what the definition of a transsexual is...but I know that you can't always tell the difference by a picture. Hell, sometimes you can't tell the difference if the person is standing next to you.

...But you look terrific in your pictures and you should post a few more...in different poses. Perhaps a few tasteful nudes if you wish...or even if they are not so tasteful...they could further help with this discussion...:geek:

[danthepoetman]

i'd like to regenerate like wolverine, be telepathic like professor x, shape shift like mystique and be able to suck energy like rogue.
LMAO
Rally, you're in great shape tonight!

[EvaCassini]

Rally wants to "suck" like Rogue. HAHAHA That's good though, she sucks pretty well ;) She's got a powerful tongue and the way she uses it , it's like......oh sry, thought you were talking about bj's....hahaha guess someones horny! :D

[danthepoetman]

Rally wants to "suck" like Rogue. HAHAHA That's good though, she sucks pretty well ;) She's got a powerful tongue and the way she uses it , it's like......oh sry, thought you were talking about bj's....hahaha guess someones horny! :D

http://preachrr.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/chameleon-tongue.jpg

[EvaCassini]

Rally, you looking good there! Nice form! :) I agree with you on Mystique's power, that would be super kool. Being able to change my body shape for what every mood I am in.

List of moods I am normally in and corresponding shape.
Happy - Sexy
Sad - Sexy
Grumpy - Sexy
Hungry - Sexy
Tired - Sleepy sexy
Horny - Hungry...err, i mean Sexy! :)

[KatherineRusTS]

Hi guys))) I did not expect such a lively debate on this subject is still a bit we moved away from the original topic, but in General it is very interesting!!! Thank you all ...! Dear Rally, I will post pictures in my privat album, so you and the other guys have the opportunity to use them. Girls, please, do not argue, and do not swear, we are all lovely and charming girls have to stick together and protect each other))) Eva ask you to forgive me for what turned out to be bad and expressed his respect for you! I am very sorry for my words in your address. Sorry! We go through in our lives through similar situations and have similar problems. Let's live together in the atmosphere of friendship and fun. Please . With Respect Ekaterina .

[Prospero]

Glasnost and perestroika !

[robertlouis]

Glasnost and perestroika !

Dosvidhana!

[KatherineRusTS]

Boys can meet you closer ? Are you by chance from Russia ?))))

[Prospero]

I'm as Russian as you are Nigerian, Katherine

[danthepoetman]

TV or TV?...

[Prospero]

LOL... speak for yourself Dan!

[danthepoetman]

Put it on the love of whisky...

[robertlouis]

Boys can meet you closer ? Are you by chance from Russia ?))))


No, Scotland. I have about six words of Russian but quite a lot of Bulgarian.

It's a long story. Dovizhdane! :geek:

[robertlouis]

Put it on the love of whisky...

I had three double Singletons last night, Dan.

So they weren't Singletons, were they? ;)

Slainthe!

[danthepoetman]

I had three double Singletons last night, Dan.

So they weren't Singletons, were they? ;)

Slainthe!
Probably had just about the same quantity of Oban double matured, 14 years. Quite nice, actually! Very well balanced mix of salt, wine, sea breeze and malt.
Unfortunately, the Singleton is one we don't have any of around here...

[robertlouis]

Probably had just about the same quantity of Oban double matured, 14 years. Quite nice, actually! Very well balanced mix of salt, wine, sea breeze and malt.
Unfortunately, the Singleton is one we don't have any of around here...

One of the newer kids on the block, Dan. Only been around since the 70s, but the age of the distillery belies the dark complexity of the product. Unusual for Speyside, imo. Worth seeking out.

[KatherineRusTS]

No, Scotland. I have about six words of Russian but quite a lot of Bulgarian.

It's a long story. Dovizhdane! :geek:

This is a good start)))