Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote

[Dino Velvet]

Returning to "Tradition"?

As the lady says, "a step toward the Middle Ages."

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers-pass-anti-gay-bill-436-0-164959267.html


Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote

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MOSCOW (AP) — A bill that stigmatizes gay people and bans giving children any information about homosexuality won overwhelming approval Tuesday in Russia's lower house of parliament.
Hours before the State Duma passed the Kremlin-backed law in a 436-0 vote with one abstention, more than two dozen protesters were attacked by hundreds of anti-gay activists and then detained by police.
The bill banning the "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" still needs to be passed by the appointed upper house and signed into law by President Vladimir Putin, but neither step is in doubt.
The measure is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values instead of Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church see as corrupting Russian youth and contributing to the protests against Putin's rule.
The only parliament member to abstain Tuesday was Ilya Ponomaryov, who has supported anti-Putin protesters despite belonging to a pro-Kremlin party.
A widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by much of Russia's political and religious elite. Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia's already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled.
The State Duma passed another bill on Tuesday that makes offending religious feelings a crime punishable by up to three years in prison. The bill, which passed 308-2, was introduced last year after three members of the Pussy Riot punk group were convicted of "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred" for an impromptu anti-Putin protest inside Moscow's main cathedral and given two-year sentences.
Before the anti-gay vote, rights activists attempted to hold a "kissing rally" outside the State Duma, located across the street from Red Square in central Moscow, but they were attacked by hundreds of Orthodox Christian activists and members of pro-Kremlin youth groups. The mostly burly young men with closely cropped hair pelted the activists with eggs, shouting obscenities and homophobic slurs at them.
Riot police moved in, detaining more than two dozen protesters, almost all of them gay rights activists. Some who were not detained were beaten by masked men on another central street.
The legislation will impose hefty fines for providing information about the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community to minors or holding gay pride rallies. Those breaking the law will be fined up to 5,000 rubles ($156) for an individual and up to 1 million rubles ($31,000) for a company, including media organizations.
Foreign citizens arrested under the new law can be deported or jailed for up to 15 days and then deported. European gay rights activists have joined Russians in trying to hold gay pride rallies in Moscow in recent years.
Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993, but anti-gay sentiment remains high. Russia also is considering banning citizens of countries that allow same-sex marriage from adopting Russian children.
Earlier Tuesday, dozens of anti-gay activists picketed the Duma. One of them held a poster that read: "Lawmakers, protect the people from perverts!" while others held Orthodox icons and chanted prayers.
Russian and foreign rights activists have decried the bill as violating basic rights.
"Russia is trying very hard to make discrimination look respectable by calling it 'tradition,' but whatever term is used in the bill, it remains discrimination and a violation of the basic human rights of LGBT people," Graeme Reid, the LGBT rights program director at Human Rights Watch, said Tuesday in a statement.
Lyudmila Alexeyeva, one of Russia's oldest and most prominent rights activists, called the law "a step toward the Middle Ages."
"In normal countries, no one persecutes representatives of sexual minorities," Alexeyeva told the Interfax news agency. "A modern person knows that these people are different from the rest just like a brunette is different from a blonde. They are not guilty of anything."
Russian officials have rejected the criticism. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov defended the bill in February, saying that Russia does not have any international or European commitment to "allow the propaganda of homosexuality."
An executive with a Russian government-run television network said in a nationally televised talk show that gays should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm or organs for transplants, and after their deaths their hearts should be burned or buried.
The bill's adoption comes 20 years after a Stalinist-era law punishing homosexuality with up to five years in prison was removed from Russia's penal code as part of democratic reforms that followed the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.
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AP writer Lynn Berry contributed to this report.

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Detained gay rights activists shout from a police bus near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)

[Prospero]

I wonder what our Russian lady members here will make of this.

[Dino Velvet]

I wonder what our Russian lady members here will make of this.

Haven't a few moved to the UK?

[KatherineRusTS]

Returning to "Tradition"?

As the lady says, "a step toward the Middle Ages."

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers-pass-anti-gay-bill-436-0-164959267.html

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Detained gay rights activists shout from a police bus near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)


Many thanks for the interesting answer in favor of an online translator))) But I can partially disagree with it. The translator is very good to translate the name of products when you go to shop, daily phrases which are used by tourists, For Example: How to pass in library! But at the same time the translator is very bad that that after the translation of the text the put thought and an essence transmitted through the text are lost or changes and people in most cases can't understand sense. On my example you see that people perceive each my answer to the message not as I wish it! The best translator is School on studying of English and free command of the language : this it a lot of time but it forever and it is correct)))

[KatherineRusTS]

Returning to "Tradition"?

As the lady says, "a step toward the Middle Ages."

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers-pass-anti-gay-bill-436-0-164959267.html

http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/_5dPamHEWSDMs7SFk83NKQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0xMDI0O3E9Nzk7dz0xNT c2/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/dd9336e390067313340f6a7067006432.jpg
Detained gay rights activists shout from a police bus near the State Duma, Russia's lower parliament chamber, in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, June 11, 2013. Protesters attempted to rally outside the Russian State Duma before what is expected to be a final vote on the bill banning "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations." More than two dozen activists were detained in Moscow on Tuesday as they were protesting a bill that stigmatizes the gay community and bans the giving of information about homosexuality to children. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)


My God - that for Brad! ! ! The Russian state and Putin's board now reminds me Stalin times. When Putin came to the power for the first time he really made useful things prophetic both for the people and for the state much. When to the power Medvedev "Putin's puppet" in the country came people oppression began! Salaries lowered to such an extent that hardly sufficed to pay utilities! I consider the government very silly arrives that try to return Stalinism to modern time: it slows down country development. The power very much doesn't love when people grow wiser and start understanding that fuck them through trousers every second! If Putin has personal problems about sex by minority (presently their majority already) it doesn't grant to it the right to behave unreasonably and inadequately! I am not Putin's opponent but at the same time and not his supporter. Each person has the right to live as considers it necessary, to express the opinion on all questions! I consider the only thing correct: it is necessary to forbid the Gay parade in Moscow. The Russian people not completely were still reconstructed after disorder of the USSR. I speak so not because I don't love gays and I have against them negative communication: it not so! The Gay of parade in Moscow will lock will allow to keep tranquillity and lives of many gays. It needs to be made for their safety. Nobody forbids you to live freely and openly with that person of whom you love but at the same time it isn't necessary to show it to everyone and especially in mass scales! Russia not that place where should be done it! ! ! Moscow and All Russia I consider the statement of the Russian Church and the Patriarch absolutely silly: Birth rate fell in the country not because of Geea and because of that that people have no worthy salary and normal conditions to Give birth and raise children (the child is very expensive pleasure) and people to be afraid to give birth because of instability in the country, because of uncertainty in tomorrow! As to religion - I don't want to raise this question (it is rather sore subject for me personally) Modern Orthodox church - I became one big business led by Kirill (Patriarch) the Former employee of KGB.

[KatherineRusTS]

Russia wonderful and very picturesque country. I love very much Moscow - but to live there recently for me became intolerable. Politician Putin I resulted Moscow in poverty and the majority of simple people forced to the knees. Putin and his team too obviously and persistently advances the bill! In Moscow laws every day change and you don't know that will be with you tomorrow when you will wake up. It is very heavy to live in a constant stress. Much Rich and influential people left borders of Moscow and moved to live to Europe (Germany, England) to keep the money and the business from hands of the Russian power! In Russia and in Moscow never will be about and politician Putin will lead only to internal war between people and the power! The last years a situation in the country very serious and heated to a limit! The people are very embittered on Putin and his board! All attempts to express to Putin national opinion rigidly were suppressed! ! ! Dictatorship floor false name of Democracy and freedom of speech! I left Moscow not for the reason that there occurs and because of that that I don't see any prospects for myself in that country. I want to live and feel protected by the state that with my opinion were considered and to have opportunity normally to develop and work! In Russia there is no future for sexual minorities! ! !

[Dino Velvet]

Thanks for posting, Katherine. Being from there you provide a window that I don't have. I appreciate your comments and welcome more if you desire. Russia is a very important country.

[Prospero]

Is it true Vladimir Putin and his wife are divorcing because he is having a passionate affair with a transsexual?

[Dino Velvet]

Is it true Vladimir Putin and his wife are divorcing because he is having a passionate affair with a transsexual?

Angela is GG.

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[Stavros]

In the first place the hostility to LGBT people in Russia is part of a global mini-conflict in which 'western values' are presented in opposition to some idea of 'normality' be it in Russia, the Middle East or Africa. Often, there is a close link between religion and government with Christianity and Islam at the forefront of opposition. Homosexuality in Russia and also in other countries is often linked with pederasty/paedophilia, and considered to be damaging to 'morale' in the armed forces; it was briefly legal in Russia and it is claimed Stalin re-criminalised it to satsify the Orthodox Church or because it was linked to fascism. On the one hand famous Russians have been gay: Gogol, Tchaikovsky, Diaghilev, Eisenstein; other famous Russians, like the writer Vladimir Nabokov have been oddly homophobic (mincing queers, morally dubious) given that his brother Sergei was gay -maybe that was his problem.
The Wikipedia article seems to be quite good, and there are some interesting links on Nabokov.
LGBT history in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/may/21/books.booksnews
http://www.salon.com/2000/05/17/nabokov_5/

[KatherineRusTS]

Is it true Vladimir Putin and his wife are divorcing because he is having a passionate affair with a transsexual?

No, it is not so! Putin divorced his wife and sent her to live in Germany (the wife of Putin's daughters, lives in Munich) , Putin Married a Russian gymnast Alina Kabaeva - she bore him a son . Roman whit trance girl he was not and never can be . He took seriously its Bill on the promotion of sexual minorities . Putin will not risk their reputation .

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[robertlouis]

I don't know how long you've been in the UK, Katherine, but are things more difficult now for gay, lesbian and trans people in Russia than they were say five or ten years ago?

I was aware of general anti-gay attitudes when I travelled in Eastern and Central Europe as well as Russia in the 90s and up till the mid 2,000s, but it seems to me now that official and therefore legal attitudes are hardening.

What's your opinion please?

[KatherineRusTS]

In the first place the hostility to LGBT people in Russia is part of a global mini-conflict in which 'western values' are presented in opposition to some idea of 'normality' be it in Russia, the Middle East or Africa. Often, there is a close link between religion and government with Christianity and Islam at the forefront of opposition. Homosexuality in Russia and also in other countries is often linked with pederasty/paedophilia, and considered to be damaging to 'morale' in the armed forces; it was briefly legal in Russia and it is claimed Stalin re-criminalised it to satsify the Orthodox Church or because it was linked to fascism. On the one hand famous Russians have been gay: Gogol, Tchaikovsky, Diaghilev, Eisenstein; other famous Russians, like the writer Vladimir Nabokov have been oddly homophobic (mincing queers, morally dubious) given that his brother Sergei was gay -maybe that was his problem.
The Wikipedia article seems to be quite good, and there are some interesting links on Nabokov.
LGBT history in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Russia)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/may/21/books.booksnews
http://www.salon.com/2000/05/17/nabokov_5/

Russia is probably the only country in the world where daily abnormal things in the White House and DUMME. Each day make new laws, as before, none of them work, because people don't have time to switch from one to another . The Church and the policies are very strongly linked, and it is very noticeable! Create one of the Temple of God, a big Bazaar and business . There is a good joke about it. I will try to convey the exact meaning: maniac decides to poison the children in the orphanage, and decided to do it this way : Anointed poison money and sent them to the Charity Fund " Children's home " eventually died: 3 MP , 2 Advisor and 1 Minister . The children were not injured . Thus worked all Russian system

[danthepoetman]

....

[KatherineRusTS]

I don't know how long you've been in the UK, Katherine, but are things more difficult now for gay, lesbian and trans people in Russia than they were say five or ten years ago?

I was aware of general anti-gay attitudes when I travelled in Eastern and Central Europe as well as Russia in the 90s and up till the mid 2,000s, but it seems to me now that official and therefore legal attitudes are hardening.

What's your opinion please?

Since 2000 very much time has passed . Never in my life in Russia will not be approved bill on sexual minorities . Putin returns the old days ( Stalin era) and laws back in our time . People live one day not knowing what will happen tomorrow . In order to understand how the Russian system works , it is necessary lived in Moscow for at least 5 years . Otherwise your head will burst from a misunderstanding of how the system works )))

[robertlouis]

Since 2000 very much time has passed . Never in my life in Russia will not be approved bill on sexual minorities . Putin returns the old days ( Stalin era) and laws back in our time . People live one day not knowing what will happen tomorrow . In order to understand how the Russian system works , it is necessary lived in Moscow for at least 5 years . Otherwise your head will burst from a misunderstanding of how the system works )))

That's accurate, I guess. As Churchill said in 1939, "Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."

[KatherineRusTS]

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[robertlouis]

Is the second picture the transsexual that Putin has been shagging? (allegedly)

[KatherineRusTS]

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[robertlouis]

Thanks Katherine - I think I'm in love!

[KatherineRusTS]

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[KatherineRusTS]

That's such a joke Russian people on Putin)))

[robertlouis]

Putin must be the strong silent type after all - look, Medvedev is fucking him from behind and he's hardly moving a muscle.

[KatherineRusTS]

Medvedev will always do what says Putin ))) they play in one of the gates )))They will be together until death separates them )))
Made from Moscow big garbage dump ! Very very very Sorry

[robertlouis]

Medvedev will always do what says Putin ))) they play in one of the gates )))They will be together until death separates them )))
Made from Moscow big garbage dump ! Very very very Sorry



Would things have been different if Yeltsin had stayed sober?

[Prospero]

This is a funny thread...but Putin is following where Stalin led surely?

[Prospero]

such fun guys!

[Stavros]

such fun guys!

Presumably you prefer irrelevant cartoons to serious discussion of capitalism in Russia since 1991?

[Prospero]

No Stavros... ... i was joining in the spirit of the thread. Never miss a chance to dig at me do you....

[KatherineRusTS]

Would things have been different if Yeltsin had stayed sober?

Boris Yeltsin was a great disaster for Russia)))

[Prospero]

Katherine - who do you think has been the best leader of Russia in modern times?

[KatherineRusTS]

Katherine - who do you think has been the best leader of Russia in modern times?

No doubt Putin in the first 4 years of his reign ! Now he lost his rating ((( very Sorry (((

[Stavros]

No Stavros... ... i was joining in the spirit of the thread. Never miss a chance to dig at me do you....

In fact it was meant as a general comment on some pointless photos and cartoons; it isn't something I go in for, and adds nothing to the debate, but there isn't much I can do about it.

[robertlouis]

No Stavros... ... i was joining in the spirit of the thread. Never miss a chance to dig at me do you....




There's only one way to settle this.....

[Prospero]

But you quoted me - hence it was clearly directed at me.
Lighten up

[Stavros]

No doubt Putin in the first 4 years of his reign ! Now he lost his rating ((( very Sorry (((

The best leader in modern times is not so difficult to identify -Gorbachev. Depending on when 'modern times' arrived in Russia, you could argue that the long process of modernisation began with Peter the Great (1672-1725) and then the emancipation of the serfs in 1861. These two events were crucial in bringing Russia closer to the orbit of European culture and politics, while the reforms of Alexander II are more or less synchronous with the abolition of slavery in Europe and America. The perception of Russia in 1900, shared by the elite as well as the intelligentsia was that Russia had failed to match the economic development of Europe and America and that land reform and industrialisation were the keys to change -the late Romanov dynasty was franky incompetent, and the Communist regimes that followed did not promote organic growth but forced development. What Gorbachev did was to begin a process of gradual release of Russian talent, a process too slow for Yeltsin. Because Yeltsin's laissez-faire attitude benefited a small clique of oligarchs, Putin has attempted to undo the process which is why he appears now to be more authoritarian than he needs to be. That is why I go for Gorbachev, without him it is not just Russia that changed, but a substantial part of the world too.
For some reason Gorbachev is not fashionable in Russia.

I would like to know who people think the 'Greatest Russian' is -if there is such a thing. Names like Peter the Great, Pushkin, Tolstoy come into the frame, but it is a tricky one.

[Prospero]

I would agree with the judgement of Gorbachev - especialy when viewed from a Western perspective. And modern times... well I meant in the past 40 years really. Obviously "modern" is hard to pin down. That reminds of the story that when Chou en Lai - i think - was asked what he thought the impacts of the french Revolution had been said "It is too soon to tell." Whether true or apocryphal I don't know.

And the greatest Russian - that's for another thread surely?

[Stavros]

Zhou Enlai's remark though famous, is a cop out, and suggests he didn't know much about France. I think there is a comment about Brazil being the country of the future, and it always will be. I think the problem with Russia is that there were influential people there who acted as advisers to both Gorbachev and Yeltsin but who are not well known here -Anatoly Chubais and Viktor Chernomyrdin are two examples from the Yeltsin era.

[KatherineRusTS]

Chubais and Chernomyrdin two thieves as Yeltsin himself ! Yeltsin проривал state property and these charlatans in his time had stolen - is bad . I vote for the Prokhorov - a Russian billionaire who really loves his country ! Not that Putin ! Until Yeltsin understood nothing Putin quickly became his replacement ! Prior to that, about Putin know nothing found ! I'll give my vote for Prokhorov

[tsadriana]

I heard that Putin get divorce?If so i would like to show him how straight he can be if we meet....:mad::mad::mad: