Horse Racing - Corruption - The Sheikh

[sauce]

Talking to a stable lad about 6 weeks ago. Widely accepted within the horse racing community Sheikh Mohammed knew about drugs being flown into the UK to administer to his horses. Widely accepted the press are controlled and benefit from not asking certain questions.
Mahmood Al Zarooni being used as the fall guy and he will be rewarded in time.
Cover-up's also regarding Dettori being on drugs when he rode the 7 winners in one day at Ascot and other races and his odd behaviour on certain racedays.
Cover up to clear Bin Suroor's horses quickly and keep the Sheikh squeaky clean.
Too much money and prestige involved to upset the show. Many , many more big races won by horses owned by Sheikh Mohammed which were drugged.
Apologists such as BBC's Cornelius Lysaght wheeled out to reassure , also the same with the other guy being used by Talksport etc , some spokesperson for Sportinglife or such.

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=street_of_shame&issue=1339

[Stavros]

I used to bet on a regular basis years ago, mainly because I was working with guys who did and I just fell into it. One of them told me that you might as well back the least likely horse in a selling race, so one day I put £1 on a horse that had like 7 doughnuts as its form and it won @ 20/1 giving me £20 for a hunch. On a different level, the Dante stakes at York last week was won by an outsider at 33/1 when the 'classic favourite' bombed -because the horse didn't get its dose? The rumour always used to be that all but the classics (Guineas, Derby, St Leger, Royal Ascot, et al) were not fixed but that the humdrum 1.30 at Brighton and the 4.35 at Wincanton were I stopped betting on a regular basis and I can't say I missed losing money on a regular basis either!

To me, now, horse racing is like Formula 1, it is a business, not a sport. One is focused on thoroughbreds whose only existence is based on their genes, the other is about kit cars that often can't make it round the circuit without seizing up. Sport?

[sauce]

2012 St Leger winner Encke , trained by Godolphin operation and owned by Sheikh Mohammed has been found to be drugged. They say Encke was clear after winning the Leger but maybe it was hidden by other means or not traceable because the benefit was in the horses system put in weeks before.

I too have hardly given a penny to them for ages , prefer to spend money elsewhere and enjoy it. Take advantage of free bets now and then but despise the thought of betting regularly and won't do it.
Drugs have changed history in Athletics , Horse Racing and many more so-called Businesses.

[Prospero]

I know Sheikh Mohammed well and personally doubt that he knew about the drugs. he has an immense respect for the world of racing and horses. I simply don't believe he knew. It is more likely his trainer was trying his utmost to please the Sheikh.

[TSBootyLondon]

In real life I grew up around racing, not delving to deep into my personal life and please be under no illusion that I am from a wealthy racing family as I am not... My dad tinkers with horses, betting, has trainer friends, was taken to Ascot and Aintree etc as a child often etc...... I find it hard to believe that any trainer/breeder be them the wealthiest and most famed or the little tinker like my father would give their animal anything without reading into it in great detail.

Some of these horses are worth millions no body is taking chances with their millions! I believe that they knew what they were given their horses they just didn't foresee that they would be found out! maybe they believed it would fall under the radar or possible maybe I wrong (Chance are!)

I just whole heartily believe that an owner, trainer, breeder who ever would go to great lengths to discover the products that they give to these horses!

the racing world is largely a rich population, there are no limits to what money can buy, cover ups have been occurring for years in this sport no I am happy to say that I think there will be stricter policies put in place to protect the betters and more importantly the horses!

Anyone know what really happened to Shergar??? lol

[TSBootyLondon]

Excuse my use of written English today.... It is terrible and clearly proves that I am running low on caffeine!

[Stavros]

In real life I grew up around racing, not delving to deep into my personal life and please be under no illusion that I am from a wealthy racing family as I am not... My dad tinkers with horses, betting, has trainer friends, was taken to Ascot and Aintree etc as a child often etc...... I find it hard to believe that any trainer/breeder be them the wealthiest and most famed or the little tinker like my father would give their animal anything without reading into it in great detail.

Some of these horses are worth millions no body is taking chances with their millions! I believe that they knew what they were given their horses they just didn't foresee that they would be found out! maybe they believed it would fall under the radar or possible maybe I wrong (Chance are!)

I just whole heartily believe that an owner, trainer, breeder who ever would go to great lengths to discover the products that they give to these horses!

the racing world is largely a rich population, there are no limits to what money can buy, cover ups have been occurring for years in this sport no I am happy to say that I think there will be stricter policies put in place to protect the betters and more importantly the horses!

Anyone know what really happened to Shergar??? lol

I think in terms of corruption, horse racing is not much different from Boxing, or football in places like Bulgaria -there is no point in banning Boxing or any sport, that would only drive it underground; in the case of the Gulf Sheikhs, the billions they have poured into sport may have salvaged horse racing which has been in decline for some years, but not greyhound racing which has all but died compared to how big it was in the UK in the 20th century. Perhaps their billions have also distorted sport, Manchester City being one example.

The Shergar case has never been definitively explain because the men involved are either dead or refuse to tell. This link, even though it is the Mail, does seem to cover as much as we know, although I think I once heard another version that Shergar died of a heart attack. Basically the gang didn't know how to handle a thoroughbred race horse and as usual it was the horse that suffered.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-2275314/Shergars-disappearance-The-IRA-tell-use-did-super-horse.html

[Prospero]

Re Sheikh Mohammed.... he has based his philosophy around horses, extending his ideas about horsemanship to the way Government should run.

[Stavros]

As in...boots, saddles and whips?

[Prospero]

ha ha...no Stavros. It's worth reading his book "My Vision" - not available in Engiish only Arabic i'm afraid - which has whole chapters about horsemanship and government.

[TSBootyLondon]

Greyhound racing is something that I am quite pleased has eased off over the years....
The sport is extremely hard on the dogs and in many cases quite cruel. My uncle breads greyhounds in Ireland.
Their food is cut back dramatically prior to a race to increase their hunger for chasing the prize.
Their training regimes are very intense to keep their weight down.

Maybe I am speaking a little naively due to the fact that I am such a great dog lover. I believe that a socialised dog is a very happy dog and as race dogs spend their lives inside a cage they just make me feel very sorry for them.

Re Shergar, the question was actually a joke however now touching on what actually happened to him, nobody truly knows as his body was never recovered, some say it was an issuance job, others say a ransom that went wrong... myself I struggle to fathom the insurance claim notion as surely his worth as a stud would have exceeded his worth on a payout or am I wrong?
And then why steal and try and ransom off a defunct race horse?

OR just maybe he was stolen due to the worth of his foals! I wonder do they record race horse DNA? What are the chances of a Shergar off spring does anyone know?! Maybe I was do involved in the X-Files during my youth!!

x


I think in terms of corruption, horse racing is not much different from Boxing, or football in places like Bulgaria -there is no point in banning Boxing or any sport, that would only drive it underground; in the case of the Gulf Sheikhs, the billions they have poured into sport may have salvaged horse racing which has been in decline for some years, but not greyhound racing which has all but died compared to how big it was in the UK in the 20th century. Perhaps their billions have also distorted sport, Manchester City being one example.

The Shergar case has never been definitively explain because the men involved are either dead or refuse to tell. This link, even though it is the Mail, does seem to cover as much as we know, although I think I once heard another version that Shergar died of a heart attack. Basically the gang didn't know how to handle a thoroughbred race horse and as usual it was the horse that suffered.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing/article-2275314/Shergars-disappearance-The-IRA-tell-use-did-super-horse.html

[Prospero]

Weren't they selling Shergar steaks in Tesco earlier this year?

[robertlouis]

Weren't they selling Shergar steaks in Tesco earlier this year?

The likelihood is that it was a bizarre and botched kidnap job by the IRA and that the unfortunate horse was killed by them somewhere in Ireland.

[Jericho]

Lots of money involved...Of course there's corruption! :shrug
And as for the dogs...

[robertlouis]

Lots of money involved...Of course there's corruption! :shrug
And as for the dogs...

Don't bring your ex-girlfriends into this.....

[Jericho]

Don't bring your ex-girlfriends into this.....


Don't worry, i wasn't going to mention your current girlfriends! :shrug

[Prospero]

Mohammed Bin Rashid Criminalizes Use Of Anabolic Steroids For Horse Sports In UAE
May 24, 2013




By Eurasia Review

His Highness Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Vice President of the UAE and Prime Minister and Ruler of Dubai ordered Thursday the drafting of a decree making it a criminal offense the import, sale, purchase and use of anabolic steroids in all horse related sports in the UAE, reports the Emirates News Agency, WAM.

According to WAM, the decree is to have immediate effect.

“I have always believed in the integrity of horse racing and all other horse sports” said His Highness Sheikh Mohammed, according to WAM. “I have, in light of the unfortunate recent event, directed that a decree be issued making, with immediate effect, the import, sale, purchase or use of anabolic steroids in horse sports a criminal offence under the UAE penal laws”.

His Highness Sheikh Mohammed was quoted by WAM as saying, “Regrettably, one of my stables in Europe has recently fallen below the standards that I expect and will tolerate. As soon as the internal investigations are complete and the requisite preemptory rules are put in place, Godolphin will go from strength to strength and lead, once again, adherence to the highest standards in that gracious sport.”

[Stavros]

I wish to put on record my deep, deep appreciation of the contribution that his Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum has made to the Sport of Kings; I am utterly, utterly convinced that with his wise leadership, from this day forth, the iniquities that have bedevilled modern racing will be confronted, they will be dealt with, and they will disappear. I am convinced that from this day forth, Stud Farms will continue to breed classic winners; that trainers will continue to wear tweed jackets and trilbys except when required to wear morning suits, as at Royal Ascot, and Epsom on Derby Day; that Claire Balding will continue to tower over Willie Carson; that Jockeys will not snort cocaine; that stable lads will not feed Dobbin a Mars bar to give him such lift in the 4.15 at Wincanton on a November afternoon that he wins by a length; I am convinced that Lester Piggot will be rehabilitated, that Sammi Valentine will be declared best dressed on Ladies Day at Aintree, that the remains of Shergar will be found and interred in Westminster Abbey, and that Sheikh al-Maktoum, recognising my devotion to his tireless campaign for probity in sport, will reward me with the small, barely noticeable sum of £1 Million.

[Prospero]

Don't you just love failed satire.

[TSBootyLondon]

Nheeey laddie! sorry couldn't resist! ;-)


Don't you just love failed satire.

[Stavros]

I backed a horse at ten to one, but it came in at three thirty....