The paradox of dating a transgendered woman

[Blueboy1285]

I'm strait. Specifically, I'm not attracted to men at all. My previous relationships have been with women.

I have however, always had a thing for transgendered/transexual women. I love the femininity and the extra effort most girls make to appear womanly, with the nails and the hair and the heels - it all appeals to the red blooded man in me - way more so than the ambiguous hipster girls I meet most of the time.

I'm 28, I'm a 'top', I have a nice apartment/car/bla bla bla. I'm a good looking boy (just sayin') - I'm a catch for anyone, regardless of gender (ok, I'm not Brad Pitt).

So, here's the problem...

I am perfectly willing to have a TG partner - in the open. My friends are all aware and cool with my sexuality, they're good people and I trust them; yet every time I go out (in London) all the TG/TS nights are trashy as hell. There's rarely a girl present you would introduce to your dog, let alone your friends. I'm talking about sexually aggressive, cheap looking, foul mouthed girls who just want cock cock cock - and then complain that nobody loves them for who they are.

While this is just what the doctor order sometimes, it's difficult to envisage myself meeting someone at the way out/trannyshack/fucking 'stunners'... Who I could have a genuine relationship with.

Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful and wonderful women at these events, ive met so many genuinly lovely people at way out etc., but it's rare and very often they are 'working'.

I read the posts here and I hear a lot of noise from girls complaining that guys just want to use them for sex and nothing more. Well, perhaps the fault lies a little with them also. In order to get respect one has to deserve respect. If you behave like an easy lay - that's all you'll ever be.

Listen, I like a good fuck as much as anyone. A one night stand is universal. Saturdays are for fun and no one is stopping you from having it in any way you like. I'm just trying to point out that women (transgendered or not) will be treated how they behave. A lady is a lady no matter what she looks like or what age she is.

Anyway - I'm aware I'm sounding a bit old fashioned and moralistic.

As this is the Internet...here comes the ranting....

[Wendy Summers]

I'm strait. Specifically, I'm not attracted to men at all. My previous relationships have been with women.

I have however, always had a thing for transgendered/transexual women. I love the femininity and the extra effort most girls make to appear womanly, with the nails and the hair and the heels - it all appeals to the red blooded man in me - way more so than the ambiguous hipster girls I meet most of the time.

I'm 28, I'm a 'top', I have a nice apartment/car/bla bla bla. I'm a good looking boy (just sayin') - I'm a catch for anyone, regardless of gender (ok, I'm not Brad Pitt).

So, here's the problem...

I am perfectly willing to have a TG partner - in the open. My friends are all aware and cool with my sexuality, they're good people and I trust them; yet every time I go out (in London) all the TG/TS nights are trashy as hell. There's rarely a girl present you would introduce to your dog, let alone your friends. I'm talking about sexually aggressive, cheap looking, foul mouthed girls who just want cock cock cock - and then complain that nobody loves them for who they are.

While this is just what the doctor order sometimes, it's difficult to envisage myself meeting someone at the way out/trannyshack/fucking 'stunners'... Who I could have a genuine relationship with.

Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful and wonderful women at these events, ive met so many genuinly lovely people at way out etc., but it's rare and very often they are 'working'.

I read the posts here and I hear a lot of noise from girls complaining that guys just want to use them for sex and nothing more. Well, perhaps the fault lies a little with them also. In order to get respect one has to deserve respect. If you behave like an easy lay - that's all you'll ever be.

Listen, I like a good fuck as much as anyone. A one night stand is universal. Saturdays are for fun and no one is stopping you from having it in any way you like. I'm just trying to point out that women (transgendered or not) will be treated how they behave. A lady is a lady no matter what she looks like or what age she is.

Anyway - I'm aware I'm sounding a bit old fashioned and moralistic.

As this is the Internet...here comes the ranting....

The challenge is... as always... venue.

The types of transwomen you describe as searching for do not go to TS/ TG nights at bars. More often than not, they work 9-5 jobs; fly under the radar and no one knows they are trans beyond those closest to them.

[tranlove]

I'm strait. Specifically, I'm not attracted to men at all. My previous relationships have been with women.

I have however, always had a thing for transgendered/transexual women. I love the femininity and the extra effort most girls make to appear womanly, with the nails and the hair and the heels - it all appeals to the red blooded man in me - way more so than the ambiguous hipster girls I meet most of the time.

I'm 28, I'm a 'top', I have a nice apartment/car/bla bla bla. I'm a good looking boy (just sayin') - I'm a catch for anyone, regardless of gender (ok, I'm not Brad Pitt).

So, here's the problem...

I am perfectly willing to have a TG partner - in the open. My friends are all aware and cool with my sexuality, they're good people and I trust them; yet every time I go out (in London) all the TG/TS nights are trashy as hell. There's rarely a girl present you would introduce to your dog, let alone your friends. I'm talking about sexually aggressive, cheap looking, foul mouthed girls who just want cock cock cock - and then complain that nobody loves them for who they are.

While this is just what the doctor order sometimes, it's difficult to envisage myself meeting someone at the way out/trannyshack/fucking 'stunners'... Who I could have a genuine relationship with.

Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful and wonderful women at these events, ive met so many genuinly lovely people at way out etc., but it's rare and very often they are 'working'.

I read the posts here and I hear a lot of noise from girls complaining that guys just want to use them for sex and nothing more. Well, perhaps the fault lies a little with them also. In order to get respect one has to deserve respect. If you behave like an easy lay - that's all you'll ever be.

Listen, I like a good fuck as much as anyone. A one night stand is universal. Saturdays are for fun and no one is stopping you from having it in any way you like. I'm just trying to point out that women (transgendered or not) will be treated how they behave. A lady is a lady no matter what she looks like or what age she is.

Anyway - I'm aware I'm sounding a bit old fashioned and moralistic.

As this is the Internet...here comes the ranting....

I'm with you Blue. if I was not married I could see my myself having a relationship with a Tgirl, but like you, any experience I had is with girls in the sex industry or girls in a support group trying to complete their operation.

[MacShreach]

The challenge is... as always... venue.

The types of transwomen you describe as searching for do not go to TS/ TG nights at bars. More often than not, they work 9-5 jobs; fly under the radar and no one knows they are trans beyond those closest to them.
Exactly. The difficulty that presents is, however, obvious.

[Rusty Eldora]

You have a perception and a desire to be with a Trans woman, but does that match any real trans woman. It is sort of like wanting a partner that is Italian, tall, blonde, or ___ .

I've dated escorts before and have no problem with their work, or them staying working when we are together. I just spent a week with a Tgirl and found that Tgirl quite amazing. However, I doubt it will be anything more than a very good friendship. I learned a lot during the week about tgirls that adjusted my perceptions, usually to the better.

I would suggest that you do some sessions with a professional, picking to the best available for your type. You might find that your perceptions need adjusting.

Still look for the woman that is perfect for you, either GG or TG. Good luck

[bluesoul]

I'm 28, I'm a 'top', I have a nice apartment/car/bla bla bla. I'm a good looking boy (just sayin') - I'm a catch for anyone, regardless of gender (ok, I'm not Brad Pitt).

well, aren't you in the right place, because not only are all the male members of this forum "tops" with "nice apartments/car/bla bla bla" but we're also all good looking and pretty much a cross section of brad pitt and johnny depp.

in fact, just the other day the girls had a thread titled "why are all the guys here such amazing catches" but it was quickly deleted not to jinx things.

so on behalf of the fellowship of good looking strictly straight males here, welcome and remember to remove your shoes before jumping into the pool.

[Ms.Stepford]

Fuck that slut-shaming noise.

[dderek123]

I have however, always had a thing for transgendered/transexual women.
So, here's the problem...

There's rarely a girl present you would introduce to your dog, let alone your friends. I'm talking about sexually aggressive, cheap looking, foul mouthed girls who just want cock cock cock - and then complain that nobody loves them for who they are.



You like TS women but don't like flamboyant trashy women who have a lot of baggage. Just keep looking until you find the right one and try to enjoy yourself along the way. It's simple.

[nysprod]

Fuck that slut-shaming noise.

Exactly,the original post is just stereotypical chaser bullshit...like he's mr. great catch even though he plays in the scene, but the girls are all trash...

[SheWantsTheD]

I'm strait. Specifically, I'm not attracted to men at all. My previous relationships have been with women.

I have however, always had a thing for transgendered/transexual women. I love the femininity and the extra effort most girls make to appear womanly, with the nails and the hair and the heels - it all appeals to the red blooded man in me - way more so than the ambiguous hipster girls I meet most of the time.

I'm 28, I'm a 'top', I have a nice apartment/car/bla bla bla. I'm a good looking boy (just sayin') - I'm a catch for anyone, regardless of gender (ok, I'm not Brad Pitt).

So, here's the problem...

I am perfectly willing to have a TG partner - in the open. My friends are all aware and cool with my sexuality, they're good people and I trust them; yet every time I go out (in London) all the TG/TS nights are trashy as hell. There's rarely a girl present you would introduce to your dog, let alone your friends. I'm talking about sexually aggressive, cheap looking, foul mouthed girls who just want cock cock cock - and then complain that nobody loves them for who they are.

While this is just what the doctor order sometimes, it's difficult to envisage myself meeting someone at the way out/trannyshack/fucking 'stunners'... Who I could have a genuine relationship with.

Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful and wonderful women at these events, ive met so many genuinly lovely people at way out etc., but it's rare and very often they are 'working'.

I read the posts here and I hear a lot of noise from girls complaining that guys just want to use them for sex and nothing more. Well, perhaps the fault lies a little with them also. In order to get respect one has to deserve respect. If you behave like an easy lay - that's all you'll ever be.

Listen, I like a good fuck as much as anyone. A one night stand is universal. Saturdays are for fun and no one is stopping you from having it in any way you like. I'm just trying to point out that women (transgendered or not) will be treated how they behave. A lady is a lady no matter what she looks like or what age she is.

Anyway - I'm aware I'm sounding a bit old fashioned and moralistic.

As this is the Internet...here comes the ranting....

Well don't just do the clubs, go to the tgirl dating sites (not the escort sites) and if you look properly you will find a few in london who want a relationship. Most people who are after real and lasting relationships don't go out to clubs, they avoid it for the same reasons you listed. They can't seem to find anybody good/genuine there.

[RyderMonroe]

regular non working girls are going to tgi fridays with their friends. not some tg/ts club night that's meant to facilitate sex.. try reaching out to girls on facebook... don't be a creep. be patient. don't message them a thousand times if they don't get back to you...The kind of girls that you want to talk to know their worth, so you have to come with something that will get their attention without being annoying... Be normal. Put the ball in their court. Ask questions. Don't just assume that theyre open to talking to you and DO NOT act like they owe you time because you're "willing" to be seen with them. You're lucky to be seen with them. :)

[SheWantsTheD]

You have a perception and a desire to be with a Trans woman, but does that match any real trans woman. It is sort of like wanting a partner that is Italian, tall, blonde, or ___ .

I've dated escorts before and have no problem with their work, or them staying working when we are together. I just spent a week with a Tgirl and found that Tgirl quite amazing. However, I doubt it will be anything more than a very good friendship. I learned a lot during the week about tgirls that adjusted my perceptions, usually to the better.

I would suggest that you do some sessions with a professional, picking to the best available for your type. You might find that your perceptions need adjusting.

Still look for the woman that is perfect for you, either GG or TG. Good luck

lol don't listen to this guy...
You never NEED to pay an escort dude. Just go to one if you have money to burn and feel like trying something different for a change.
I've found escorts to be smelly, rude and unwilling to provide the services that they advertise. Some won't kiss, they might even try to give you oral with a condom on. I always bring condoms but I even heard that one guy didn't and the tgirl said she didn't have any! Lol how can I be smelling better than them? How can they say 8" is too big for their ass? Its all bullshit mate trust me!
Find the girls who actually want to go on dates, the ones who actually want to get to know you, the ones who are worrying about if you have a girlfriend on the side. Invest in those ones. They are the keepers.

[amberskyi]

lol don't listen to this guy...
You never NEED to pay an escort dude. Just go to one if you have money to burn and feel like trying something different for a change.
I've found escorts to be smelly, rude and unwilling to provide the services that they advertise. Some won't kiss, they might even try to give you oral with a condom on. I always bring condoms but I even heard that one guy didn't and the tgirl said she didn't have any! Lol how can I be smelling better than them? How can they say 8" is too big for their ass? Its all bullshit mate trust me!
Find the girls who actually want to go on dates, the ones who actually want to get to know you, the ones who are worrying about if you have a girlfriend on the side. Invest in those ones. They are the keepers.

So ts girls want to give you oral with a condom on but yet all ts woman are careless with their health lmao make up your mind

[be2378]

I would like to have a relationship with a TG woman. But I dont go to the normal place where to meet some. Im looking for a relationsip that would be turned into sex, but its not the first thing im looking for in a relation ship gg or tg. Maybe Im old fasion, maybe Im wanting something that is a lot harder to get. I would like to do the relationship, from dinner at nice places, movies, and laying on the couch.

[SheWantsTheD]

So ts girls want to give you oral with a condom on but yet all ts woman are careless with their health lmao make up your mind
ESCORTS, SEX WORKERS, people like YOU!
He doesn't want your type. he was a proper girl. I think that transsexual women are teh strongest peopel in the world. All the shit they put up with to get to be the person they felt they should hhve been born as. They don't cheapen themselves or devalue their worth by speeding things up as a sex worker. They bide their time, they endure and they look for REAL jobs and REAL relationships.
I'm starting to think that alot of tgirls still have the cross dresser mentality. They get addicted to daily sex and money. Transsexuals should transition into women, not into sluts.
Don't mean to offend anyone btw. Just sayin'

[dderek123]

Just sayin' or just offendin'?

[amberskyi]

ESCORTS, SEX WORKERS, people like YOU!
He doesn't want your type. he was a proper girl. I think that transsexual women are teh strongest peopel in the world. All the shit they put up with to get to be the person they felt they should hhve been born as. They don't cheapen themselves or devalue their worth by speeding things up as a sex worker. They bide their time, they endure and they look for REAL jobs and REAL relationships.
I'm starting to think that alot of tgirls still have the cross dresser mentality. They get addicted to daily sex and money. Transsexuals should transition into women, not into sluts.
Don't mean to offend anyone btw. Just sayin'

Lmao this dude clearly has some issues...every time he posts all i hear is bitch bitch bitch bitch.
Don't get mad because i point out your inconsistencies and hypocrisy

[MacShreach]

Just sayin' or just offendin'?
Just bein' a complete fucking dickhead more like.

[tranlove]

Lmao this dude clearly has some issues...every time he posts all i hear is bitch bitch bitch bitch.
Don't get mad because i point out your inconsistencies and hypocrisy

fuck! you're hot:Bowdown:

[bluesoul]

.. don't be a creep. be patient. Be normal.

yes, definitely remember to be normal. once they fall for you and think you're normal, you can go back to being weird and insane. at least that's what i do

[tsadriana]

I dont have time for clubs every weekends ,i go every now and then to the club .....Most girls are busy doing someting with their lives....I for one im happy if i go once per month in a club and thats it....Im sure soon or later u will find someone suitable for yourself....Time is the best answer for everything..good luck.

[dderek123]

yes, definitely remember to be normal. once they fall for you and think you're normal, you can go back to being weird and insane. at least that's what i do

Stealth Chaser. Beware!

[MacShreach]

fuck! you're hot:Bowdown:
Fuck! You just noticed! :D

[Tim&Erin]

I got lucky with my girlfriend. I actually met her through someone else. Now it's 5 years later and things are moving right along. We started out as friends and it just evolved. She works a regular job and when she does go out it is just like someone else said earlier, it is Applebee's or something like that versus a club.

[robertlouis]

I dont have time for clubs every weekends ,i go every now and then to the club .....Most girls are busy doing someting with their lives....I for one im happy if i go once per month in a club and thats it....Im sure soon or later u will find someone suitable for yourself....Time is the best answer for everything..good luck.

That's how it is for most girls. You just have to be patient. Good advice as always, Adriana.

[Rabbiteyes]

Lol "normal" trans aren't hanging out at "tranny nights" lol.

They are hanging out with their friends and go out to normal places. They think the exact same things you do about those seedy clubs (that it isn't there "scene").

If you want a girl with her stuff together, you aren't going to find her sitting around a place putting up with being treated like a prostitute. Try normal dating sites (not trans ones). Search for transgendered or other terms like that to find them (if they are open, lots aren't).

Or... well.... ask around, try to find one that is open (it can be tricky, but when you start to connect with trannies on facebook or something, you start to get into the tranny circles, and they all tend to know each other...or friends of friends and stuff like that).

That's if you want something real. If you want just quick sex? Yea, do what the other guys suggested...hire a prostitute...

[archineer]

My experience is that 90% of ts' (the passable pretty ones at least) act in the same way, regardless of whether they are on the scene or not.

To everyone else: the girls at wayout tend to be quite varied, about half are escorts, the other half are nurses/married etc. Transwomen just behave in a certain way in my experience its just part of their psychology.

[nysprod]

All you chaser chauvinists amaze me...I mean, I guess I'm a chaser too, but I'm not this fuckin' stupid.

1. Mr. "catch for anyone" hangs put at tranny bars looking to pick up girls and get laid (which in of itself is fine if that's what you want to do).

2. The girls he meets are "sexually aggressive, cheap looking, foul mouthed girls who just want cock cock cock," and to whom you would not introduce your dog to. They are, however, "just what the doctor orders" sometimes.

Now for my question...what makes the o.op. a better person than the girls he's screwing? Why is he a "great catch" while the girls he fucks aren't worthy enough to introduce a dog to...because he has a job?

Earth to Mr. "catch for anyone": you're no better than the supposedly less than dog-meeting worthy girls you're fucking. And I'll tell you something else, because I'm older than you:

Once you got the tranny thing, there's no going back. You'll always lust after the she meat, which means that after you marry little Miss gg whitebread you'll still be be thinking, fantasizing and jerking off about trannies...that is, until you inevitably act out.

So exactly wtf makes you a "catch for anyone"?

And just so you know, I'm not holding myself out to be better than you or anyone else...the only difference is that I don't think I'm better than the girl who's bottoming for me.

[MacShreach]

All you chaser chauvinists amaze me...I mean, I guess I'm a chaser too, but I'm not this fuckin' stupid.

1. Mr. "catch for anyone" hangs put at tranny bars looking to pick up girls and get laid (which in of itself is fine if that's what you want to do).

2. The girls he meets are "sexually aggressive, cheap looking, foul mouthed girls who just want cock cock cock," and to whom you would not introduce your dog to. They are, however, "just what the doctor orders" sometimes.

Now for my question...what makes the o.op. a better person than the girls he's screwing? Why is he a "great catch"...because he has a job?

Earth to Mr. "catch for anyone"...you're no better than the supposedly less than dog-meeting worthy girls you're fucking. And I'll tell you something else, because I'm older than you:

Once you got the tranny thing, there's no going back. You'll always lust after the she meat, which means that after you marry little Miss gg whitebread, you'll still be be thinking, fantasizing and jerking off about trannies...that is, until you inevitably act out.

So exactly wtf makes you a "catch for anyone"?

And just so you know, I'm not holding myself out to be better than you or anyone else...the only difference is that I don't think I'm better than the girl who's bottoming for me.

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Look, I just agreed with you. But I do, on this one, on every point.

[Rabbiteyes]

"sexually aggressive, cheap looking, foul mouthed girls who just want cock cock cock,"

Lol yea, just replace "girl" with "boy" and you have the OP ~_~

[nysprod]

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

Look, I just agreed with you. But I do, on this one, on every point.

I imagine the o.p. does as well because despite his assertion of being "perfectly willing to have a TG partner," the truth is likely that much as the rest of us, his tranny thing will remain on the down low.

[Rabbiteyes]

I imagine the o.p. does as well because despite his assertion of being "perfectly willing to have a TG partner," the truth is likely that much as the rest of us, his tranny thing will remain on the down low.

Humm, that sounds kind of sad though. Ideally shifting to openly TG seeking would mean a guy can find more TGs...and won't risk losing a TG he is really interested in because she doesn't want to be a dirty secret.

I've turned down soooooo many guys because they wanted to be DL about the entire dating thing. Works great with prostitutes, but any full-time trans that doesn't hide it wouldn't put up with it.

But lets be honest :P The truth is really most guys won't ever be with a TG lol, they will stick to porn and fantasy or mayyyyybbbbeeeee take the plunge and hire a prostitute once or twice to help fuel the porn / fantasy thing lol.

[Blueboy1285]

Thanks for all the advice everyone - I tried to phrase my original post as generically as I could without awaking the angry crowd - but such is life. I kind of made it clear i was a hypocrite in playing the scene whilst looking for more - but hey, reading is tough and well done for trying.

Yup, some of my original post was a bit arrogant sounding - I see that.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that it's hard if what your after is a relationship with someone when the odds are statistically and socially stacked against you.

I'm not the only one here with this problem - attitudes are changing towards the 'gay' community (which most people think of us 'chasers' as). Maybe it is a generational thing - but I feel no qualm at all in having a public relationship with anyone I like - I just wish it was a little easier.

Goodbye!
Xxxx

[dderek123]

Well yeah. But not too many of the best things in life can be found easily.

[SXFX]

online dating at say okcupid?

[EvaCassini]

well, aren't you in the right place, because not only are all the male members of this forum "tops" with "nice apartments/car/bla bla bla" but we're also all good looking and pretty much a cross section of brad pitt and johnny depp.

in fact, just the other day the girls had a thread titled "why are all the guys here such amazing catches" but it was quickly deleted not to jinx things.

so on behalf of the fellowship of good looking strictly straight males here, welcome and remember to remove your shoes before jumping into the pool.

HAAAAA.....i see what you did there. ;) HAHAHA

[tranlove]

HAAAAA.....i see what you did there. ;) HAHAHA

Fuck, I'm in the wrong place. I do pretty good financially, but no Brad or Johnny genes here.

[EvaCassini]

fuck brad, and fuck johnny...gimmie RDJ baby! RDJ, Matt Smith, David Tennant, and Colbert would be my only "celebs"....most of the men i find attractive are smart mostly...and with money....but mostly smart :) teeheehee

[tranlove]

fuck brad, and fuck johnny...gimmie RDJ baby! RDJ, Matt Smith, David Tennant, and Colbert would be my only "celebs"....most of the men i find attractive are smart mostly...and with money....but mostly smart :) teeheehee

I noticed money helps, I become pretty popular when I pull up to the valet parking.

[EvaCassini]

hehehe...i valet park...i valet cocks into my back lot for a generous fee ;)

[tranlove]

hehehe...i valet park...i valet cocks into my back lot for a generous fee ;)

lol!

[tranlove]

hehehe...i valet park...i valet cocks into my back lot for a generous fee ;)

Maybe when I resolve my wife situation, you and I can come to an arrangement, I visit Texas often. :D

[EvaCassini]

Very feasible :) ....curious, what do you mean "resolve my wife situation"...what you gonna do, wack her? are you sir, in the mob lol :)

[tranlove]

Very feasible :) ....curious, what do you mean "resolve my wife situation"...what you gonna do, wack her? are you sir, in the mob lol :)

lol no wacking. Long story, I'm trying to get my wife into my love of girls like you

[EvaCassini]

ahhhh....interesting :)...hows that going?

[tranlove]

ahhhh....interesting :)...hows that going?

Better than expected, I posted asking how to break it to your wife. check it out it tells the story, I received good advice from some.

[Tits McButts]

I understand the proposed paradox. Where I live, there isn't any club scene. The local online personals and dating sites are woefully dismal. I've run into a couple of girls just out-and-about, but never gleamed a sense of commonality from talking with them.

I've also found that generally, girls that live under-the-radar rarely get involved with admirers. I guess most of us make for pretty crummy boyfriend material and it's easier trying to introduce somebody who is completely disassociated. Considering how much of that "Am I gay?" refuse stockpiles around here, I'd suspect that's still a rather tall hurdle to jump.

I've been interested enough to search in the past and I've come up empty-handed. I guess it's easy to say I'm not concerned anymore; I'm certainly not concerned enough to move out-of-state. The truth of it is I might be interested if my options weren't 50-year-old drag queens, craigslist crossdressers, and escorts. No disrespect, but I pass.

Perhaps someday I'll find some need to whisk across the U.S. for work or family and end up searching again, but I'm not holding my breath.

[tranlove]

I understand the proposed paradox. Where I live, there isn't any club scene. The local online personals and dating sites are woefully dismal. I've run into a couple of girls just out-and-about, but never gleamed a sense of commonality from talking with them.

I've also found that generally, girls that live under-the-radar rarely get involved with admirers. I guess most of us make for pretty crummy boyfriend material and it's easier trying to introduce somebody who is completely disassociated. Considering how much of that "Am I gay?" refuse stockpiles around here, I'd suspect that's still a rather tall hurdle to jump.

I've been interested enough to search in the past and I've come up empty-handed. I guess it's easy to say I'm not concerned anymore; I'm certainly not concerned enough to move out-of-state. The truth of it is I might be interested if my options weren't 50-year-old drag queens, craigslist crossdressers, and escorts. No disrespect, but I pass.

Perhaps someday I'll find some need to whisk across the U.S. for work or family and end up searching again, but I'm not holding my breath.

I love this guys that constantly remind you they're not gay, they just want a girl with a cock but is not gay because they just want to suck it. Look on the web for places a couple hours away, and pay for it pro girls will know how to treat you right. Embrace you gay tendencies and don't deny yourself, you can be a top like I am but you'll still be playing with another cock.

[Ms.Stepford]

Damn. tranlove (all lowercase) with the truth.

[tranlove]

Damn. tranlove (all lowercase) with the truth.

Hi Ms.Stepford, I was feeling sad that you forgotten me.

[tranlove]

Damn. tranlove (all lowercase) with the truth.


Hi Ms.Stepford, I was feeling sad that you forgotten me.

Back to been sad. :(

[Ms.Stepford]

That's just silly.

I don't forget anyone.

I just don't care.

[tranlove]

That's just silly.

I don't forget anyone.

I just don't care.

I can feel the love you irradiate.

[Tits McButts]

I love this guys that constantly remind you they're not gay, they just want a girl with a cock but is not gay because they just want to suck it. Look on the web for places a couple hours away, and pay for it pro girls will know how to treat you right. Embrace you gay tendencies and don't deny yourself, you can be a top like I am but you'll still be playing with another cock.

Uh, what? I think I'd have to say something along the lines of "I'm not gay" to qualify as one of those guys that constantly remind you they're not gay. You're making a lot of assumptions with absolutely no basis and I don't particularly appreciate it. You don't know me! DO YOU EVEN LIFT?!? lol.

I'm bisexual, actually. Just picky with it.

[tranlove]

Uh, what? I think I'd have to say something along the lines of "I'm not gay" to qualify as one of those guys that constantly remind you they're not gay. You're making a lot of assumptions with absolutely no basis and I don't particularly appreciate it. You don't know me! DO YOU EVEN LIFT?!? lol.

I'm bisexual, actually. Just picky with it.

Most of us are, is just there's a group of guys that keep lying to temselves about been gay but want to suck cock, go figure, if you're bi you are straight and gay, like most of us in this place "HungAngels" to me doesn't get clearer than that. Sorry if I'm making assumptions but when I say embrace your gayness is because you made it clear that you're looking for a chick with a dick.

[Tits McButts]

Most of us are, is just there's a group of guys that keep lying to temselves about been gay but want to suck cock, go figure, if you're bi you are straight and gay, like most of us in this place "HungAngels" to me doesn't get clearer than that. Sorry if I'm making assumptions but when I say embrace your gayness is because you made it clear that you're looking for a chick with a dick.

I bet you use that line on all the cute guys 'round here.

[Ms.Stepford]

I tend to get mad when guys think there's anything less straight about getting with me, and other girls with a similar background in a certain respect.

I think you're just all out of date when it comes to how you think about bodies and gender.

Maybe you'll catch up, someday.

[Ms.Stepford]

In the meantime, I'm gonna keep on enjoying your money.

After the revolution (lmao) I'll keep on enjoying your money.

[tranlove]

I tend to get mad when guys think there's anything less straight about getting with me, and other girls with a similar background in a certain respect.

I think you're just all out of date when it comes to how you think about bodies and gender.

Maybe you'll catch up, someday.

To me you are a girl, but been attracted to your cock is not very heterosexual.
Just a thought.

[Ms.Stepford]

But...but...it's a girl's cock.

[tranlove]

But...but...it's a girl's cock.

Yeah, that's what this guys keep repeating to themselves.

[Ms.Stepford]

You can see it that way.

I can think that your entire monosexual cissexist society is an embarrassment to what this great creation could have been and be thankful that I'm on the vanguard and that the invading aliens are going to agree with me.

Have fun with your cisheteronormativity and massive anal probes.

[tranlove]

:iagree:
But...but...it's a girl's cock.


You can see it that way.

I can think that your entire monosexual cissexist society is an embarrassment to what this great creation could have been and be thankful that I'm on the vanguard and that the invading aliens are going to agree with me.

Have fun with your cisheteronormativity and massive anal probes.

Somehow that makes sense to me, must be Tito's Vodka.

[tranlove]

You can see it that way.

I can think that your entire monosexual cissexist society is an embarrassment to what this great creation could have been and be thankful that I'm on the vanguard and that the invading aliens are going to agree with me.

Have fun with your cisheteronormativity and massive anal probes.


:iagree:



Somehow that makes sense to me, must be Tito's Vodka.
When the aliens show up I'll stand in front of you Nd let them know you're doing the anal probing, just be gene my ass still virgin.

[Ms.Stepford]

We've had way too many people.

There should have been way more fun fucking and way less procreating.

Y'all are prejudiced to say that the procreative sex is the normal kind, but there are too many goddamn people in the world.

We could have way more fun if it were more normal to fuck for fun with anything sexy because there wouldn't be so many goddamn offspring around to drink my wine and eat my food, but y'all gotta be greedy with passing on your genes, and really what's ever been so good about them anyway?

[tranlove]

We've had way too many people.

There should have been way more fun fucking and way less procreating.

Y'all are prejudiced to say that the procreative sex is the normal kind, but there are too many goddamn people in the world.

We could have way more fun if it were more normal to fuck for fun with anything sexy because there wouldn't be so many goddamn offspring around to drink my wine and eat my food, but y'all gotta be greedy with passing on your genes, and really what's ever been so good about them anyway?

What's wrong? We're agreeing to much.

[Ms.Stepford]

Oh shit. Are we?

[tranlove]

Oh shit. Are we?

We are!!!

[tranlove]

Oh shit. Are we?

I wish we lived closer. I'll like to have some drinks with you.

[Tits McButts]

I tend to get mad when guys think there's anything less straight about getting with me, and other girls with a similar background in a certain respect.

I think you're just all out of date when it comes to how you think about bodies and gender.

Maybe you'll catch up, someday.

I think you've got me figured incorrectly. Honestly, I still don't know where tslove interpreted any amount of prejudice or homophobia from my post.

Maybe this:

I guess most of us make for pretty crummy boyfriend material and it's easier trying to introduce somebody who is completely disassociated. Considering how much of that "Am I gay?" refuse stockpiles around here, I'd suspect that's still a rather tall hurdle to jump. All I was attempting to say is that men tend to run into some insecurities right after realizing they're attracted to transwomen, and that can be a headache to deal with, but somehow that's still preferable to dating admirers according to a few of the girls I've talked to over the years.

My general opinion is that so long as sex is mutual, there isn't any right, wrong, gay, or straight. What really grinds my nerves is when people mistake preference for prejudice. I've tried most of what I now avoid. That's not always completely necessary anyway. I don't need to receive a dirty sanchez to know that I wouldn't appreciate receiving one, but by YOUR rules... c'mere. My finger smells funny.:dancing:

[ClareSensual]

Blueboy, I would recommend that you join Transgenderdate.com. Post an honest, detailed profile with at least a few photos. Then be patient, positive and hopeful.

[SpoogeMonkey]

how can we be deemed gay if we like cocks on our women?

jeez.. does it make me a vegetarian if I like a cabbage on a badger?

wanker!

[MacShreach]

how can we be deemed gay if we like cocks on our women?

jeez.. does it make me a vegetarian if I like a cabbage on a badger?

wanker!

ROFLMAO great to see someone retains the anarchic sense of fun that once made this place great :banana::banana:

[Ceris893]

I'm strait. Specifically, I'm not attracted to men at all. My previous relationships have been with women.

I have however, always had a thing for transgendered/transexual women. I love the femininity and the extra effort most girls make to appear womanly, with the nails and the hair and the heels - it all appeals to the red blooded man in me - way more so than the ambiguous hipster girls I meet most of the time.

I'm 28, I'm a 'top', I have a nice apartment/car/bla bla bla. I'm a good looking boy (just sayin') - I'm a catch for anyone, regardless of gender (ok, I'm not Brad Pitt).

So, here's the problem...

I am perfectly willing to have a TG partner - in the open. My friends are all aware and cool with my sexuality, they're good people and I trust them; yet every time I go out (in London) all the TG/TS nights are trashy as hell. There's rarely a girl present you would introduce to your dog, let alone your friends. I'm talking about sexually aggressive, cheap looking, foul mouthed girls who just want cock cock cock - and then complain that nobody loves them for who they are.

While this is just what the doctor order sometimes, it's difficult to envisage myself meeting someone at the way out/trannyshack/fucking 'stunners'... Who I could have a genuine relationship with.

Don't get me wrong - there are beautiful and wonderful women at these events, ive met so many genuinly lovely people at way out etc., but it's rare and very often they are 'working'.

I read the posts here and I hear a lot of noise from girls complaining that guys just want to use them for sex and nothing more. Well, perhaps the fault lies a little with them also. In order to get respect one has to deserve respect. If you behave like an easy lay - that's all you'll ever be.

Listen, I like a good fuck as much as anyone. A one night stand is universal. Saturdays are for fun and no one is stopping you from having it in any way you like. I'm just trying to point out that women (transgendered or not) will be treated how they behave. A lady is a lady no matter what she looks like or what age she is.

Anyway - I'm aware I'm sounding a bit old fashioned and moralistic.

As this is the Internet...here comes the ranting....

I agree with you - I'd definitely have a transsexual girlfriend, it doesn't matter if she has a penis, but I'd be reluctant to go with one who was escorting/camming/pornstar. She'd also have to NOT draw attention to herself - if she truly identifies as a woman why would she bother to say she's a transsexual.

My reasons are my own, people are free to live as they want, but I do have standards where I'd not want my partner showing off all over the internet under her own name - having myself attached to that stigma wouldn't be good, at least in America. If I was in Japan, where its much less of an issue, I'd be more lenient. Also, my secondary reasoning for not having an escort or a pornstar is I'd not want some trash giving her STI's off his dirty cock and then I have to be at risk.

[Bunzee]

totally agree regarding venue. when you go to night clubs/bars, you meet trash regardless of gender. every time i go, i am reminded of this. has nothing to do with ts/tg.

[Tyler___Durden]

The challenge is... as always... venue.
way out/trannyshack/'stunners'! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)gulp!
The types of transwomen you describe as searching for do not go to TS/ TG nights at bars. More often than not, they work 9-5 jobs; fly under the radar and no one knows they are trans beyond those closest to them.
Blueboy, why not go all the way and try Legs800 or Sweet Wednesdays? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
You're spot on Wendy. I've been with Mr Tyler over 4 years;
he didn't meet me in a tranny club. ;)

[Tyler___Durden]

The types of transwomen you describe as searching for do not go to TS/ TG nights at bars. More often than not, they work 9-5 jobs; fly under the radar and no one knows they are trans beyond those closest to them.
Exactly. The difficulty that presents is, however, obvious.
I know, the OP should transition.
Then he'll have other transsexual women's numbers filling his (her) speed dial
and he (her) can subsequently spend huge amounts of time dodging speculative messages from hopeful men.

[Tyler___Durden]

ESCORTS, SEX WORKERS, people like YOU!
He doesn't want your type. he was a proper girl. I think that transsexual women are teh strongest peopel in the world. All the shit they put up with to get to be the person they felt they should hhve been born as. They don't cheapen themselves or devalue their worth by speeding things up as a sex worker. They bide their time, they endure and they look for REAL jobs and REAL relationships.
I'm starting to think that alot of tgirls still have the cross dresser mentality. They get addicted to daily sex and money. Transsexuals should transition into women, not into sluts.
Don't mean to offend anyone btw. Just sayin'
Clueless....

[MacShreach]

I agree with you - I'd definitely have a transsexual girlfriend, it doesn't matter if she has a penis, but I'd be reluctant to go with one who was escorting/camming/pornstar. She'd also have to NOT draw attention to herself - if she truly identifies as a woman why would she bother to say she's a transsexual.

<snip>
I agree. We all do what we have to do and there's no shame in sex work, at least not from my perspective. But I know myself well enough to know I could never go deeper. Plus I have heard far too many horror stories, which there's no need to go into. I have done plenty of p4p, enjoyed it, moved on. Nice time with, usually, very nice girls. But p4p is not an emotional attachment and for me personally, a romantic relationship, with a sex worker, would be a route to madness, and one that I know is paved with broken hearts. (Being friends, enjoying off duty drinks and so on, is fine of course.)

I'm the kind of soppy big schmuck that really gets fucked up in situations like that so I avoid 'em.

[nysprod]

But p4p is not an emotional attachment and for me personally, a romantic relationship, with a sex worker, would be a route to madness, and one that I know is paved with broken hearts. (Being friends, enjoying off duty drinks and so on, is fine of course.)

I'm the kind of soppy big schmuck that really gets fucked up in situations like that so I avoid 'em.

Word

[lixx]

I'd say there are different factors at hand here:

- Where one lives. there's a better chance in big cities than small towns, for obvious reasons.

- Not immediately knowing who is an MTF. As numerous MTFs are passable, you could literally walk in a big city (like London or NYC) and not know a woman is trans. She may look hot and stunning, and have a package and not a pussy beneath her clothes lol..

I think the best place is to go online on a dating website, or even a support group online for MTFs.

And I don't think incidentally that liking TS' makes a man gay. It's a grey area, since to me the attraction is a mixture of the cock and a feminine body/look. Nobody who is gay would really like a woman's body or curves at all.