Well Done Mr Cameron!

[tvkim]

The new government Welfare reforms start today in the UK. About time the workshy scumbags get a pay cut!


The days of having 10 kids to get a free council house are numbered! Well done Mr Cameron!!!


Now all you need to do is put a block on any more immigrants coming to the UK to scrounge taxpayers money.

[Prospero]

Good grief.... our own neo-con.

[trish]

I do believe there are more tea parties in Britain than anywhere in the world.

[Stavros]

Except, Trish that in the UK it is called the Conservative-Liberal Democrat Coalition. The Coalition government has decided to slash spending in the welfare state which, relative to its impact on the deficit is going to be risible in its impact, but satisfies the posh boys who can't understand why the tykes aren't shovelling coal and digging peat (memo to Cameron: because your predecessors trashed their jobs). The same raft of government reforms has taken away access to Legal Aid to most people, while penalising people on benefits who have a 'spare bedroom' which means in some cases that a severely disabled 13 year old should not have his or her own room but share with Little Johnny or Mary, an intrusion into people's bedrooms in the most literal way.

Most immigrants not only come to the UK to work -they do work, and pay taxes, and support the local economy as well not just Manchester United. There is a Polish woman in my Caffe Nero, another Polish woman (with a cute ass) in another coffee shop in town, and there is a Polish deli, a Polish Community Centre, and so on.

Witamy.

[Prospero]

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:
Except, Trish that in the UK it is called the Conservative-Liberal Democrat Coalition. The Coalition government has decided to slash spending in the welfare state which, relative to its impact on the deficit is going to be risible in its impact, but satisfies the posh boys who can't understand why the tykes aren't shovelling coal and digging peat (memo to Cameron: because your predecessors trashed their jobs). The same raft of government reforms has taken away access to Legal Aid to most people, while penalising people on benefits who have a 'spare bedroom' which means in some cases that a severely disabled 13 year old should not have his or her own room but share with Little Johnny or Mary, an intrusion into people's bedrooms in the most literal way.

Most immigrants not only come to the UK to work -they do work, and pay taxes, and support the local economy as well not just Manchester United. There is a Polish woman in my Caffe Nero, another Polish woman (with a cute ass) in another coffee shop in town, and there is a Polish deli, a Polish Community Centre, and so on.

Witamy.

[trish]

Thanks for the enlightening elaboration.

[Ben]

The new government Welfare reforms start today in the UK. About time the workshy scumbags get a pay cut!


The days of having 10 kids to get a free council house are numbered! Well done Mr Cameron!!!


Now all you need to do is put a block on any more immigrants coming to the UK to scrounge taxpayers money.

It does create a culture of dependency. Unquestionably. But so does corporate welfare....
I mean, if the likes of British PM Cameron, good ol' John Boehner and others are all in favor of unfettered markets, well, they'd have to remove patents, copyright, minimum wage laws, child labor laws. And, too, all government regulation when it comes to environmental issues.
Fact is the corporate class love big government. For themselves.
I mean, what about the NHS.... That's government welfare. Welfare being defined as: well-being, human well-being.
I mean, why should I care whether or not someone else has health care. Same with education.... Why should I care if the kid down the street gets an education.... And, too, why should I care if the old woman down the street has enough to eat?
I mean, if one is strictly rational and self-serving, well, one would think this way. But we have this thing called empathy deep in our DNA....

Ending Corporate Welfare One Program at a Time:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-04/corporate-welfare-is-target-rich-environment-for-savings.html

[Ben]

Welfare fraud is a drop in the ocean compared to tax avoidance:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/01/welfare-fraud-tax-avoidance

Gawker publishes audits of Mitt Romney's offshore financial accounts:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/23/gawker-mitt-romney-offshore-accounts

[robertlouis]

Well Kim, not only do you stuff silly stuff up your ass, it seems you talk out of it too.

[Jericho]

The new government Welfare reforms start today in the UK. About time the workshy scumbags get a pay cut!

The days of having 10 kids to get a free council house are numbered! Well done Mr Cameron!!!

Now all you need to do is put a block on any more immigrants coming to the UK to scrounge taxpayers money.

Quite frankly, you sicken me. :shrug

[Prospero]

Well Kim, not only do you stuff silly stuff up your ass, it seems you talk out of it too.

I WISH I had thought of a reply as apposite robert louis. Nicely summed up.

[robertlouis]

I WISH I had thought of a reply as apposite robert louis. Nicely summed up.

Thank you, kind sir.

Maybe she should stuff copies of the Daily Mail up there..... :dancing:

[Prospero]

"With a most inhuman cruelty, they who have put out the people's eyes reproach them for their blindness."

John Milton

[martin48]

What is even worse - is that yesterday marked the effective end of the NHS. It will now be creepingly privatized and become as effective and as inclusive as the US healthcare system - which costs twice as much as a percentage of GDP.

[Prospero]

Yes Martin... April Fools day for the british people and the joke is on us

[SammiValentine]

Wow what a thread.

lol.

[robertlouis]

Makes a change from all the 'Merkin politics, dunnit?

Nice to see you're back, btw. And your front.

[tvkim]

This is silly too....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296893/Welfare-mother-Tracey-MacDonald-defends-right-buy-booze-cigarettes-ITVs-Daybreak.html

[Jericho]

This is silly too....


Well done you.
Sit back and feel proud of yourself, you've found the perfect example to tar *all* the poor/unemployed with. :claps

Iain Duncan Smith:
I could live on £53 per week

What about you Kim, fancy giving it a go?
Put your convictions to the test,
No, i didn't fucking think so!

[Dino Velvet]

Quit picking on her. She might have taken a hand up but never asked for a hand out.

[Prospero]

Not picking on her Dino but simply pointing out that she supports those who pick on all the poor, unemployed, disabled, homeless and helpless ... and believes, it seems, all the right-wing bollocks published in our yellow press.

[Prospero]

By the way Kim that newspaper proudly supported Hitler in the 1930s. Did you now that? It is still owned by the same family too.

[tvkim]

By the way Kim that newspaper proudly supported Hitler in the 1930s. Did you now that? It is still owned by the same family too.

We are all entitled to our opinions, thats what I love about democracy

[tvkim]

Quit picking on her. She might have taken a hand up but never asked for a hand out.

I'm used to it Dino!

[Prospero]

So do you approve of supporting people like dear old Mr Hitler? Tsk tsk

[tvkim]

It's our Dave! Saving the Nation!

[tsadriana]

By the way nice weather .:)

[tvkim]

By the way nice weather .:)

Freezin here.

British summertime started yesterday and it was minus 5 on my way to WORK this morning.

[tsadriana]

Freezin here.

British summertime started yesterday and it was minus 5 on my way to WORK this morning.
i think till may it will gonna be like that.

[tvkim]

i think till may it will gonna be like that.

I think you are right!

[Prospero]

Saving the nation for old Etonions, bankers and all their rich friends. The poor can simply fuckoff and die. That's the Tory way. And while they're at it let's dismantle the NHS - the greatest british achievement of the past half century. Kim surely you don't really believe that?

[tsadriana]

Saving the nation for old Etonions, bankers and all their rich friends. The poor can simply fuckoff and die. That's the Tory way. And while they're at it let's dismantle the NHS - the greatest british achievement of the past half century. Kim surely you don't really believe that?
Where did u saw Prospero .someone thinking for poor people?

[tvkim]

Kim surely you don't really believe that?

No of course not.

I am just a full time working taxpayer who feels sick every time I see the family in my street with 9 kids enjoying foreign holidays and cars, yes cars ... bought for by the tax payer.

I don't see them having to get up in freezing conditions to go to work.

Neither of the parents work, even though the male could do so as he plays football every Sunday for the local team.

There are local Tescos, Wilkinsons and Sainsbury's all with job vacancies but the benefit system is such that it pays them NOT to work.

Where is the sense in that?

I am GLAD that their total weekly income is now capped at £500... yes that's £500 AFTER tax. Do you know how much you need to earn to pick up £500 in the UK?

Lets not forget the FREE Dental, Eye, Health plus numerous other claims they probably milk us Tax Payers for each week.

It's not an isolated case and you know it.

I have nothing against genuine benefit claimants thru ill health, age and other cirmcumstances that prevent work. That's what the benefit system was set up for.

It's the blatant scroungers that this coalition government has the balls to tackle that I am on about.

Incidentally... if it wasnt for the rich, who create companies there would be no work!

[SammiValentine]

No of course not.

I am just a full time working taxpayer who feels sick every time I see the family in my street with 9 kids enjoying foreign holidays and cars, yes cars ... bought for by the tax payer.

I don't see them having to get up in freezing conditions to go to work.

Neither of the parents work, even though the male could do so as he plays football every Sunday for the local team.

There are local Tescos, Wilkinsons and Sainsbury's all with job vacancies but the benefit system is such that it pays them NOT to work.

Where is the sense in that?

I am GLAD that their total weekly income is now capped at £500... yes that's £500 AFTER tax. Do you know how much you need to earn to pick up £500 in the UK?

Lets not forget the FREE Dental, Eye, Health plus numerous other claims they probably milk us Tax Payers for each week.

It's not an isolated case and you know it.

I have nothing against genuine benefit claimants thru ill health, age and other cirmcumstances that prevent work. That's what the benefit system was set up for.

It's the blatant scroungers that this coalition government has the balls to tackle that I am on about.

Incidentally... if it wasnt for the rich, who create companies there would be no work!

hah good luck getting a NHS dentist...... there has been year long waiting lists for err years :)

Unfortunately what the coalition IS doing is hurting the people who need the benefits the most, thats what a lot of people who read the daily mail cannot seem to grasp.

All this lots of jobs going is crap as well, SURE there are jobs in tescos, or NEXT or other high street places - but ALL part time hours, and not FIXED hours. You literally sit by the phone and might get a couple of 5 or 6 hour shifts during a week, if your lucky - and you find out if your working the day before.

Daves fixed fuck all, well apparently he hasnt put us in a triple dipper. Well done Dave!

[tsadriana]

tvkim said:Incidentally... if it wasnt for the rich, who create companies there would be no work!
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If it wasnt for the poor working for the rich who create this companies the rich will became poor dont they?

[SammiValentine]

btw "TRACEY IN MANCHESTER" -

Yes there are scroungers, but seriously, is she not just the perfect example to trawl out on national television to backup these cuts................ do we really trust these fuckers?!

[tvkim]

tvkim said:Incidentally... if it wasnt for the rich, who create companies there would be no work!
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If it wasnt for the poor working for the rich who create this companies the rich will became poor dont they?

Nothing stopping the poor setting a company is there?

Robert Dyson who is now a multi-millionaire and employs 1000s, started off in his tinkering in his garden shed. He never came from a rich family.

Nor did Simon Cowell for that matter!

If the poor want a slice of the action they need to get off their asses and go find the opportunities out there.... and not give up at the first hurdle.

I run a successfull Jewellery animation business, but it took me years to get it off the ground... oh... and a LOT of hard work!

[tvkim]

hah good luck getting a NHS dentist...... there has been year long waiting lists for err years

http://www.bhandaldentalpractices.co.uk/

My local dentist

[tsadriana]

Nothing stopping the poor setting a company is there?

Robert Dyson who is now a multi-millionaire and employs 1000s, started off in his tinkering in his garden shed. He never came from a rich family.

Nor did Simon Cowell for that matter!

If the poor want a slice of the action they need to get off their asses and go find the opportunities out there.... and not give up at the first hurdle.

I run a successfull Jewellery animation business, but it took me years to get it off the ground... oh... and a LOT of hard work!
Agreed with you on that but not totally ...If we all open a buisness who will gonna do the work in the end?:)

[tvkim]

Agreed with you on that but not totally ...If we all open a buisness who will gonna do the work in the end?:)

You should be Prime Minister :dancing:

[Stavros]

I don't have a problem with entrepreneurs creating businesses, but in most cases these are small to medium enterprises that create at best 20-30 new jobs. The days when the industrial barons who took advantage of, and benefited from the industrial revolution and the British Empire are gone, taking mass employment in manufacturing industry with them. Those same barons ploughed a lot of their money back into their communities -look around Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle, Sheffield and Birmingham and you will see civic buildings, parks, and libraries financed out of the profits of 19th and early 20th century capitalism. The same class in the last 50 years has built next to nothing, may have given subsidies to the Royal Opera House or some other local arts festival or charity, but the concept of giving back something lasting to the community is as dead as civic pride.

The precise number of people claiming £500 a week on housing benefit is 100,000 but that also includes Disability Allowances -take away the latter and the figure is 50,000 (see this link:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/49000/response/124871/attach/html/2/FOI%202748%20Void%20draft%20v1.doc.html)

-While that is clearly a high figure, the real question for me is why rents are so high anyway, particularly in London where the absence of affordable housing is a scandal.

There is a lot about the benefits system that can be criticised, it has always been too lenient on skyvers who sprain their ankle and claim disability allowance, but there will always be people whose skills in negotiating the benefits system require an attention to detail many of the people operating it cannot match.

But the safety net is there for a reason, and the fundamental problem is not the dependence on welfare but the absence of low or non-skilled work for the masses; the days of shipbuilding, steel, coal and iron, vehicle manufacture, machine tools and cotton are gone forever. The welfare budget would be of minimal importance if most people were in work. And if you say cuts in immigration should be made to encourage 'the British' to step and fill those jobs, which at the moment they don't -for example, picking strawberries, working in care homes- what is the remedy? Press gangs on the Manchester estates?

The Guardian yesterday printed a list of the changes to the benefits system with costs added in, it is here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/31/liberal-conservative-coalition-conservatives?INTCMP=SRCH

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Jobs, that is the solution.

[broncofan]

You should be Prime Minister :dancing:
It won't happen. That's the good thing about democracy.

The same debates for reform of entitlements take place in my country as well. When the hardhearted do not need such entitlements they point to the rare example of someone exploiting the system to deny those in genuine need. When they themselves are in need, they think reform of entitlements is based on the behavior of others and not themselves.

We have tort reform in this country and the idea is to put a cap on recoverable damages to prevent frivolous lawsuits. But what happens when someone becomes a paraplegic? Spiting all of the phonies doesn't seem as chic in this case does it? The spiteful ideology underpinning tort reform is the same one that underlies aggressive reform of any social welfare system.

What happens if you lose your job and can't find another? What if you become disabled? What if you develop a terminal illness? These would be tragedies no matter what your political views. But the stance you take is one directed at the unfortunate souls facing such circumstances. Don't fool yourself into thinking that reforms can separate the legitimate claims from the illegitimate. It's uniform punishment; sadism all the way around.

[robertlouis]

Here's the front page of Wednesday's Daily Mail, the most openly right-wing bag carrier for the Tories.

The Philpotts are a pretty shiftless, stupid and hapless clan and without doubt deserve their coming jail terms. But the subtext here couldn't be clearer - this is waht all welfare recipients would be like if the Tories weren't clamping down on the workshy, scrounging, criminal bastards. It's utterly despicable and deliberate propaganda.

[fivekatz]

This sounds an awful lot like outrage over welfare queens in the US in the 80's. At least in the US the end result was to take a few isolated incidents of taking advantage and creating a system where the income gap grew larger and larger.

I am quite sure just like welfare dude with his 17 kids working the system in the UK there are more than a few corporations working the system and gaming the taxpayers. What bankers have been allowed to do in London markets alone has done far more damage to economy of not just the UK but world and has cost far more in dollars or pounds and human suffering than hundreds of guys like one in the Daily Mail's headlines ever could.

That headline sure sounds more like an outlier than a norm to me.

[broncofan]

That explains it. Daily Mail is a fucking rag..many great papers in the UK though. Despicable title to the article. Are they a product of the welfare system? Or are they as fivekatz says an outlier?

This would be the equivalent of posting a picture of a malnourished child with a swollen belly and saying, "Product of Welfare Reform". Propaganda..I'd be surprised if the article even discussed how prevalent this type of behavior is.