Eva Lin attacked in NYC on Thursday! Ladies be Aware of these 3 Men!!!

[Tranny Strip]

Eva Lin was Sexually Assualted by Gunpoint on Thursday at 2am by 3 Men here in NYC. Eva has just released the information to the public. These 3 black men are still wanted for there arrest.

Ladies be aware of these Men still out there!!! My heart goes out to Eva Lin as I have also been a victim of a crime and was jumped here in NYC and had 4 teeth knocked out! I know the pain and the hurt. Your mind is in shock when it happens cuase you don't know what happened out of the blue. Then there is the physical damage.

Eva was in town to support TS Foxxy appearnace at Tranny Strip on this past Friday. Eva of course didn't show on Friday.

If any ladies have any information for the police then please call NYC Crime Stoppers - 1-800-577-TIPS

The Tranny Strip family thoughts are with her right now. We fully support Eva Lin as she has been a hostess with us several times. We are here for any support she might need.

Here is the story that has been on the news here in NYC and pictures of the 3 Men -
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/28/nypd-woman-sexually-assaulted-at-gunpoint-in-hotel-room-by-3-suspects/

[GroobyKrissy]

Thank you for the post. It is really great to see you caring for the girls who come to your shows beyond simply their appearances. Very decent of you.

[my my my!]

sad news.

Positive point of the article you linked, no mention of transsexual, or using of male pronouns "he", just simply "woman". very good to the point article.

[broncofan]

Very sad to hear. Horrible that anyone would do something like that. Keep us posted if they catch the people who did this.

Edit: it's good these photos are getting broad distribution. I hope someone recognizes these guys.

[Dino Velvet]

Best wishes to Eva and I hope these 3 cowards get what's coming to them.

[sosed]

I hope Eva is well after attack and that those attackers will be soon in jail. Ladies be careful and I think it is wise not to be alone.

[Tranny Strip]

Thank you for the post. It is really great to see you caring for the girls who come to your shows beyond simply their appearances. Very decent of you.

Yes, as I have been a victim also. I gave Eva resources of people and orginzations that could help her like NYC Anti-Violence project and New York Victim Crimes Board.

Eva was just coming to support Foxxy. She wasn't her for an appearance. She was just coming to visit. I know how upsetting this can be....both hurt and then you get angry that there are people like this in this world. I will let you guys know if these men are caught.

Just to let you know our Security Guard at Tranny Strip is a NYPD retired officer. He has been with us a long time and supports the girls and takes care of them. Now we need to take care of Eva Lin!!

[fred41]

Sorry to hear that...hope these three bitches get caught soon.

[Prospero]

This sucks. Best to Eva and hope she recovers fully both physically and psychologically.

[WendyWilliams]

Sad and I hope she is ok.

[lifeisfiction]

I wish a fast recovery, I am very very sad to hear the news. I hope they find them. Makes me mad when I hear crap like this happening.

[GroobySteven]

Fuck.

Thanks.

[sandymichelle]

eva my prayers & thoughts are with you and nypd will get there men!!!theyre a disgrace

[GroobySteven]

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/midtown-sex-assault-suspects.jpg?w=300

Can we make sure this photo is circulated?

[terrygrooby]

that's terrible, hope we get news from her soon.

everybody should post this article with the pics of the suspects on their facebook walls. Someone will hopefully recognize them.

[GroobySteven]

that's terrible, hope we get news from her soon.

everybody should post this article with the pics of the suspects on their facebook walls. Someone will hopefully recognize them.

Already done. I'm betting we can find them.

[blkmamba]

She should give the phone number of whom ever contacted her to the police. That's a start.

[GroobySteven]

Ok just had some email conversations with Eva and she said she's "healing really well".

Eva generally has a good positive outlook, I've a lot of time for her, so I hope she'll be okay.

Due to the nature of the crime, she's informed me the DA and police are all over it - so the best thing we can do is circulate that photographer to as many outlets as you can.

[Jayjj222]

I'm sorry to hear about this, let us know if there is anything u need

[llemming]

sorry to read this news. i hope Eva heals soon and that these jackasses are brought to justice.

[Bigshot88]

I'm always stunned when something like this happens. She must be badly injured. I hope she recovers as quickly as possible, and that these thugs get made an example of.

[SunshyneMonroe]

Very sad and it's crazy because it could happen too any of us at anytime

[nysprod]

Yes, as I have been a victim also. I gave Eva resources of people and orginzations that could help her like NYC Anti-Violence project and New York Victim Crimes Board.

Wow, I saw the story a few days ago but had no idea it was Eva.

As a NY'er, I feel terrible that Eva had to go thru this experience just as I hate to hear about anyone being attacked...I hope the cops grab these guys quickly but I'm a little concerned that NYPD will put a low priority on this case due to the circumstances...

Wishing Eva all the best.

[Abartig]

You would hope they already have a lead on the guys since there are 3 of them with pictures and they know each other, someone who knows these guys just needs to step up and do the right thing. Wishing all the best to Eva here also.

[Queens Guy]

http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/midtown-sex-assault-suspects.jpg?w=300

Can we make sure this photo is circulated?


If Eva Lin doesn't come to the East Coast often, these guys may not be from NYC. They may have traveled in from out of town to see her. So, it's worth circulating it outside of NYC, too.

[Wendy Summers]

I saw this article when it first went up - had no idea it was Eva... she so didn't deserve this.

[dlbi22]

They will catch these pieces of shit

[Rusty Eldora]

Please keep us posted about the hunt for these vermin. Also, let us know if there is anything we can do to support Eva in her recovery from this.

[Chiba5]

so tragic, I hope Eva recovers soon, and I hope those 3 bastards get caught and stay in prison for the rest of their lives

[FreddieGomez]

Here we go again. it's always the black men

[PEPE3Z]

My Goodnes !. I hope she is OK, she is a beautiful sweet girl....damn cowards !
She was very nice to me when I met her. She gave me her auyhograph in Los Angeles MJ. I hope she is fine.

[stallion79]

Hope she's doing ok and recovers as soon as possible. This is very disheartening to hear.

[italianamerican25]

Sorry to hear this. I hope Eva Lin is doing OK.

[Flaco]

Poor Eva, hope she'll be ok :/

[BellaBellucci]

http://toopink.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/stun-gun.jpg

It could save your life.

I hope she's OK. <3

~BB~

[Chiba5]

if I had a ts gf I would protect her from the attacks even if it means risking my life

[Flaco]

Here we go again. it's always the black men

This shit sucks, why did they have to do that to her? There are already numerous women who don't like blacks and people mixed with black. Stuff like this does nothing to help us.

[amberskyi]

No offense,i date guys of color in my personal life (mostly latin) but when it comes to money I'm much more comfortable with white men

[Idt20082008"]

Scumbags - I hope they get the same treatment in prison. To me, anyone who does this is the lowest form of human somewhere below the shit I stepped in when walking my dog earlier. Get well quickly Eva....

[Molly D'Vyne]

The comments thread on the article was pretty disgusting, but I guess that's what you should expect with the internet. Hopefully her recovery goes well, and these assholes get what's coming to them soon!

[giovanni_hotel]

Here we go again. it's always the black men


No one on this board even said that. YOU SAID it first Freddie, and you're not Black.:pissed:

When people actually make an effort to distinguish between criminal behavior and the race/ethnicity of the perp committing said criminal act, I think you should leave well enough alone.

I wish Eva a speedy recovery. It could have ended much worse.

[tao1kiku]

Hope she is recovering physically and emotionally. As for the scum who did it, castrate em and then throw them in jail for life

[amberskyi]

No one on this board even said that. YOU SAID it first Freddie, and you're not Black.:pissed:

When people actually make an effort to distinguish between criminal behavior and the race/ethnicity of the perp committing said criminal act, I think you should leave well enough alone.

I wish Eva a speedy recovery. It could have ended much worse.

We can't ignore statistics.people of color commit the majority of violent crimes but not because being black means you have an innate propensity for violence but because the majority of people in poverty in this country is colored.we all know poverty breeds violence and desperation.
I'm black but I'm not going to ignore facts for the sake of being politically correct.

[Ecstatic]

My best wishes to Eva, I hope she recovers and is not scarred by this experience. And kudos John Ed for your care in supporting Eva and reporting this heinous crime.

[tsdvdman]

We can't ignore statistics.people of color commit the majority of violent crimes but not because being black means you have an innate propensity for violence but because the majority of people in poverty in this country is colored.we all know poverty breeds violence and desperation.
I'm black but I'm not going to ignore facts for the sake of being politically correct.
Amber with all due respect I know you're young but you sound ignorant and like someone living in a bubble. MANY races commit violent crimes but it would appear that blacks commit them the most because that's the accepted group that the media reports on on a nightly basis. That's like someone sayin the majority of ts are escorts pornstar wannabees begging materialistic man hating self hating depressed no "real" job skills having hoes because of what they see posted on THIS BOARD only. We all know it just aint true..right???

[amberskyi]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Moving on tho my thoughts and prayers go out to Eva

[FreddieGomez]

they are hood rats anyway

[WendyWilliams]

Curious if this happened Thursday why is her ad in NYC still up, surely she isn't still escorting. Too dangerous I would think with them on the prowl.

[tsdvdman]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Moving on tho my thoughts and prayers go out to Eva
That I agree with you baby girl hope she recovers well..

[Tranny Strip]

Ok just had some email conversations with Eva and she said she's "healing really well".

Eva generally has a good positive outlook, I've a lot of time for her, so I hope she'll be okay.

Due to the nature of the crime, she's informed me the DA and police are all over it - so the best thing we can do is circulate that photographer to as many outlets as you can.

Actually to be honest with most of peoples comments on here....NYC is actaully going to take this more serious since she is transgender then being hetosexual. On abc news they mention she is transgender on cbs they don't.

The Anti-Violence project here in NYC is a BIG orginazation for the LBGT Community!! http://www.avp.org/ They will give her free resources, advice and even a free representation. There is also the Victims Crime Board that will handle her medical expenses if need be. The Anti-Violence project will be all over the NYPD to handle this case!! They have full time staff that works on these things 7 days a week!!

YOU DO NOT WANNA FUCK WITH THE GAY COMMUNITY HERE IN NYC!!! WE HAVE THE BEST ORGINAZATIONS THAT WILL PUT YOUR ASS IN JAIL FOR A LONG TIME!!! TRUST ME....THEY WILL FIND THESE FUCKERS!! ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS ON THE NEWS....THIS IS A HIGH PROFILE CASE!!

DON'T FUCK WITH ME..... DON'T THINK I WON'T ORGANIZE A MARCH HERE IN NYC AND TAKE THIS SHIT TO THE STREETS!!

IF EVA LIN WANTS TO MARCH FOR HER RIGHTS AND FREEDOM OF THIS HATE CRIME THEN WE WILL DO IT!! TO STAND UP TO BULLYS LIKE THIS!!

The Anti-Violence Project -
avp is action - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tATA0ZD8bVc)

[dderek123]

I hope she's doing well.

Yeah and I hope those guys get caught and sent to jail, asap.

[TatianaSummer]

Thats why people should carry as much as thet can. If they get them they will realease them in a few months anyways, thats the kind of justice that people get here in the states. No one deserves that sh!t.

[nightshift]

Here we go again. it's always the black men

Well genius, they were black, we're they not?

[dderek123]

Food for thought.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c71_1362237045

[bellamy]

We can't ignore statistics.people of color commit the majority of violent crimes but not because being black means you have an innate propensity for violence but because the majority of people in poverty in this country is colored.we all know poverty breeds violence and desperation.
I'm black but I'm not going to ignore facts for the sake of being politically correct.

Thats not actually true:

Poverty and race/ethnicity
The US Census declared that in 2010 15.1% of the general population lived in poverty:[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States#cite_note-pov10-36)
9.9% of all non-Hispanic white persons
12.1% of all Asian persons
26.6% of all Hispanic persons (of any race)
27.4% of all black persons.

Those are census from 2010. While The percentages are highest among black people the counry is only about 13% black and 75% white so the total of white in poverty far out number the others.

Not saying it is a black thing to be violent.

[BBaggins06]

We can't ignore statistics.people of color commit the majority of violent crimes but not because being black means you have an innate propensity for violence but because the majority of people in poverty in this country is colored.we all know poverty breeds violence and desperation.
I'm black but I'm not going to ignore facts for the sake of being politically correct.

But you actually do ignore the statistics. There are more white people living in poverty than any other ethnicity.

According to the 2011 census, there were 308,000,000 people in the US. 63% Caucasian, 17% Hispanic & 12% African American. That comes out to 194,000,000 C, 54,400,000 H and 37,000,000 AA. 13% of Caucasians were under the poverty line (25,200,000). 33% Hispanic (17,300,000) & 35% African American (13,000,000)

statehealthfacts.org

[amberskyi]

so your telling me that while there are more white people in this country in poverty that black people still account for a higher percentage of violent crime...you guys sure did tell me lol

[bellamy]

so your telling me that while there are more white people in this country in poverty that black people still account for a higher percentage of violent crime...you guys sure did tell me lol

No I was not trying to disagree or shoot you down just that technically white poor people out number black poor people so there are other aggregate factors involved then just poor or not poor.

[robertlouis]

Meanwhile on another thread on HA, someone posts this shit. SMFH.


Some jerk imposter has her pics and a profile up on eros.com saying she's in NYC. I had to call to bust balls.....I've never talked to Mariana, but from vids, know what she sounds like....some wannabe TS answers the phone with a latin accent....I played small talk then became infuriated that someone was impersonating her....I said where are you from and the voice says..."Mexico".....BUSTED! Wish I could have gotten a good cross right to the face of the fake POS!

[lifeisfiction]

No I was not trying to disagree or shoot you down just that technically white poor people out number black poor people so there are other aggregate factors involved then just poor or not poor.

This is actually true. If you ever look through actually demographical information then are far more poor whites then blacks. Cities are cited as where most people live, but a lot of those studies include suburbia areas which in reality are not link to the cities that they are associated. I am black and sometimes people take one action and apply it to a whole group. For example if you think psychopatic killer, most people tend to think visualize a white middle class person. Not neccessarily true, but many people do not research more than what is presented before them as information.

Its sad when something like that happens, because sometimes people will generalize that black people are like that. Sadly most people don't spend their time around other cultures. I do hope that people will not assume that the only type of people can be violent is from one particular race. In my area, the news have reported on many of the violent attacks on ladies did not involve men of color. So ladies please use caution and care and keep safe. It hurts me to hear such things happening.

[bluesoul]

YOU DO NOT WANNA FUCK WITH THE GAY COMMUNITY HERE IN NYC!!! WE HAVE THE BEST ORGINAZATIONS THAT WILL PUT YOUR ASS IN JAIL FOR A LONG TIME!!! TRUST ME....THEY WILL FIND THESE FUCKERS!! ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS ON THE NEWS....THIS IS A HIGH PROFILE CASE!!

some people here don't like to associate transsexuals with gays :)

[TatianaSummer]

Food for thought.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c71_1362237045

Very true!!

[Bigshot88]

Curious if this happened Thursday why is her ad in NYC still up, surely she isn't still escorting. Too dangerous I would think with them on the prowl.

i would imagine because she isnt yet well enough to take the ad down. someone should though

[johnore21]

id love to meet the gutless fuckers that done this,if ya dont like tv/ts thats fine,if it it takes 3 to beat someone up means they enjoyed themselfs..dont worry tv/ts..these peoples brains dont know how to function on their own thats why it takes 3 ,id love to meet these assholes,id leave them in a fucking bundle before they even knew they were scrapping!

[flabbybody]

some people here don't like to associate transsexuals with gays :)
Both gays and transsexuals are classified equally when victimized by violent crimes. The DA will classify this attack as a hate crime which initiates a more robust NYPD response than a routine assault case. Once the perps are caught the prosecution has wide latitude in using new federal and state charges that weren't on the books as recently as 10 years ago. Manhattan has a very successful track record for winning convictions in the short time the statutes have been on the books. These knuckle heads chose the wrong location to beat up a transgendered person. Good chance they'll do serious time.

[johnore21]

good enough for the shitheads

[Queens Guy]

Both gays and transsexuals are classified equally when victimized by violent crimes. The DA will classify this attack as a hate crime which initiates a more robust NYPD response than a routine assault case. Once the perps are caught the prosecution has wide latitude in using new federal and state charges that weren't on the books as recently as 10 years ago. Manhattan has a very successful track record for winning convictions in the short time the statutes have been on the books. These knuckle heads chose the wrong location to beat up a transgendered person. Good chance they'll do serious time.

Hopefully, they'll be arrested soon.

And they'll all get the jail sentence for the sexual assault.

But, I'm not sure their lawyers won't be able to get the 'hate crime' part of it dropped. The WABC-Channel 7 version of the story has it as a prostitute/client argument over money. Which you know is the angle their lawyers are going to use. That's not as compelling an argument for a 'hate crime'. She wasn't followed down the street by a bunch of hooligans who attacked he because she was a TG. If he arrived by himself, and she was up in the room, instead of them arriving together, it'll look like he was ok with her being TG, he might even claim he was a huge fan, and it was just a dispute over the amount of money. Is it a 'hate crime' if a gay client and a gay provider have a fight? Or is it just a crime, which doesn't get the additional jail time for the 'hate' part?

3-on-1 and the use of the gun will send them away for a long time. As much as 25 years. Which I hope they get. And I hope Eva gets well soon.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9011683

[tragicomedy]

Was she attacked by a customer?

There are a lot of commenters on there saying it was Eva Lin and that she was attacked by a customer and his buddies who refused to pay.

[nysprod]

Hopefully, they'll be arrested soon.

And they'll all get the jail sentence for the sexual assault.

But, I'm not sure their lawyers won't be able to get the 'hate crime' part of it dropped. The WABC-Channel 7 version of the story has it as a prostitute/client argument over money. Which you know is the angle their lawyers are going to use. That's not as compelling an argument for a 'hate crime'. She wasn't followed down the street by a bunch of hooligans who attacked he because she was a TG. If he arrived by himself, and she was up in the room, instead of them arriving together, it'll look like he was ok with her being TG, he might even claim he was a huge fan, and it was just a dispute over the amount of money. Is it a 'hate crime' if a gay client and a gay provider have a fight? Or is it just a crime, which doesn't get the additional jail time for the 'hate' part?

That might be true if they ultimately have a high-priced, high-powered attorney, which is not likely to be the case.

[Prospero]

Why are so many people determined to make this a race issue. This poor girl was attacked and it is said sexually assaulted. That's the bottom line. Three vicious men attack. Who cares if they are black or white, muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or christian, Chinese or french etc etc... it is the crime and them being caught and punished that matters.

[asic600]

The reason people are mentioning race is the reason why when you move to a new neighborhood, you strongly consider race. If girls are providing services, as a matter of survival, they need to differentiate between doing outcalls to Brownsville and outcalls to Williamsburg.
NYC is about 25% black but 68% of the crimes and homicides are committed by blacks. People like to say it's "poverty" but look at anyone on the street - the newly immigrated asians are wearing "lame" clothing and sneakers and eating rice at home because they're paying for after school tutoring while the blacks are wearing bling and jordans at mcdonalds because they're primary concern is looking stylish. It's just different priorities leading to different outcomes and eventually different actions in life, generation after generation.

[giovanni_hotel]

The reason people are mentioning race is the reason why when you move to a new neighborhood, you strongly consider race. If girls are providing services, as a matter of survival, they need to differentiate between doing outcalls to Brownsville and outcalls to Williamsburg.
NYC is about 25% black but 68% of the crimes and homicides are committed by blacks. People like to say it's "poverty" but look at anyone on the street - the newly immigrated asians are wearing "lame" clothing and sneakers and eating rice at home because they're paying for after school tutoring while the blacks are wearing bling and jordans at mcdonalds because they're primary concern is looking stylish. It's just different priorities leading to different outcomes and eventually different actions in life, generation after generation.


Please don't start some shit about Blacks being inherently more criminal minded.

Go to every borough in NYC and the predominant ethnic group in every neighborhood is responsible for much of the crime.

Most of the crimes committed by Blacks are against other Blacks.
Most of the crimes committed against Italians are by other Italians, etc.

It's more important to recognize criminal 'types' or questionable persons in every socioeconomic/ethnic group, instead of generalizing across the board.

But hey if you can't tell the difference between a regular 9-5 brotha and someone who just got released from Rykers, discriminate against all of them and call it a day.

[asic600]

Please don't start some shit about Blacks being inherently more criminal minded.

Go to every borough in NYC and the predominant ethnic group in every neighborhood is responsible for much of the crime.

Most of the crimes committed by Blacks are against other Blacks.
Most of the crimes committed against Italians are by other Italians, etc.

It's more important to recognize criminal 'types' or questionable persons in every socioeconomic/ethnic group, instead of generalizing across the board.

But hey if you can't tell the difference between a regular 9-5 brotha and someone who just got released from Rykers, discriminate against all of them and call it a day.

you're probably not a new yorker if you think every neighborhood has equal amounts of crime. in fact, you're probably not living in reality.

[PatrickLA]

Pretty sure those guys live in a Straight world and having this out in the open will embarrass them and their friends and family and possibly girlfriends. I can hear them saying.. "Oh, you like cocks?" lol

[PatrickLA]

You know back in the Depression, things were economically way worse than now BUT crime was still very low. It isn't someones poverty that makes them do bad things, it is the way they were brought up and taught. Bad breeds bad. Many good poor people who don;t resort to crime because they lack money. Get that shit out of your head people!

[asic600]

You know back in the Depression, things were economically way worse than now BUT crime was still very low. It isn't someones poverty that makes them do bad things, it is the way they were brought up and taught. Bad breeds bad. Many good poor people who don;t resort to crime because they lack money. Get that shit out of your head people!

If people admit it's NOT poverty though, then it MUST be some problem in the black community. Then people call you racist b/c they aren't very bright. Fact is, black gangsta and Ho culture (chris brown, rihanna, nicki minaj) has more of an influence on black people than guys like martin luther king or obama. Even Beyonce is considered "classy"!

Look at these jewish people in brooklyn and upstate. Their ultra orthodox communities are made up families with 6-8 kids and extremely low incomes and the highest food stamps use. But there's no crime or even street litter! Walk 2 blocks over to a black neighborhood and be on your guard!

[BraveHeartz]

God, that fucking awful. Heart goes out to her.

[tvkim]

Curious if this happened Thursday why is her ad in NYC still up, surely she isn't still escorting. Too dangerous I would think with them on the prowl.

Curious also that her Facebook and Twitter profiles have suddenly vanished!

What the fucks going on?

[GroobySteven]

Curious also that her Facebook and Twitter profiles have suddenly vanished!

What the fucks going on?

Enough with the drama Kim. Nothing's going on, she's probably disabled them or made them private. I'll be touching base with her tomorrow or so.

[Stavros]

Some members may recall the thread in the Reviews section I think last year when one or more London escorts were being threatened, swindled and robbed -allegedly by men from Eastern/South-Eastern Europe as it was not clear if they were Albanian, Kosovar, Bulgarian, or whatever they were. The common denominator in these crimes in New York and London is a TS Escort -often known to people who post here- and men who want her services but don't want to pay for it and may have arranged 'back up' in advance to get away with it. It really is depressing to think how people make simple assumptions about crime that are not based on the crime itself.

The core issue is how escorts can protect themselves from random attacks of this nature. In the past, escorts have lost their lives, this is too serious an issue to be sidetracked by amateur sociologists.

[Donkey]

I guess Eva will no longer date black men after this. :(

[nysprod]

According to the article, Eva let this guy back into the room AFTER arguing with him initially...a little common sense ladies...

[tvkim]

Enough with the drama Kim. Nothing's going on, she's probably disabled them or made them private. I'll be touching base with her tomorrow or so.

No drama... I thought that maybe they had stolen her mobile phone with her private passwords etc.

Only today on BBC news, police were warning people to lock their iphones in case they get stolen.

Twitter users' passwords stolen by hackers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21304248

[Tranny Strip]

some people here don't like to associate transsexuals with gays :)

Well baby its called the LBGT Community......transsexuals fall under the Gay umbrella of the LBGT Community which means Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Gay and Transgender Community. The people that don't like to assoiciate it are people that aren't PROUD of who they are and not comfortable with there sexuality or are clueless about the gay community.

When there are problems like this you say "THANK GOD" for the LBGT Community and its orginzations!! There is NO such thing like the Anti-Violence project in the straight world and many many many many other resources started by the gay community and SOMEONE that is either LBGT!!!

When I was attatcked in NYC I was able to go to them to get help!! My insurance didn't cover veener teeth...cause I had 4 teeth knocked out when I was attatcked. The Anti-Violence project was able to help me get my dental bills of $14,000 paid. I needed emergency dental work. Due to the police reports and all the evidence I got approved right away from The Victims Crime Board. So THANK GOD for the LBGT Community that helped me when I was in need and supported me and counsled me.

I didn't want to leave my house. I'm sure Eva is very nervous right now still being in NYC...as I was also. I was always looking behind me and was even more scared at night time like when this all happened. Its not just physical damage there is alot of emotional damage. I was in such shock when I got jumped I went home first....didn't want to the hospital cause I had just been victimized and needed the comfort of home even though I was bleeding everywhere. I stood in the mirror for an hour and cried and was in disbelief looking at the gash on my face and my teeth knocked out. I needed my friends first. When I went to the hospital they asked why I waited so long to go there. The SHOCK of what happened to you is incredible.....when you are just randomly walking down the street and out of the blue you get jumped and punched in the face and called FAGOT!! Whyyyyyy Whyyyyy Whyyyy are there people like that!! Its incredible that someone wants to beat me up for NO reason and doesn't know anything about me. Did the guy have a bad day??? Did the guy break up with his girlfriend?? Whyyyy??? What made this person target me and punch me???? Whyyy me??? Did I look at him in a weird way??? What did I do to this man that must be straight?? The questions you ask yourself are endless!!! Your body goes into SHOCK!!!!! My heart was in more pain then my mouth and my face!!

[GroobySteven]

No drama... I thought that maybe they had stolen her mobile phone with her private passwords etc.

Only today on BBC news, police were warning people to lock their iphones in case they get stolen.

Twitter users' passwords stolen by hackers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21304248

I'm sure she just wants a little peace and anonymity for a bit.

[bzzzay]

The core issue is how escorts can protect themselves from random attacks of this nature. In the past, escorts have lost their lives, this is too serious an issue to be sidetracked by amateur sociologists.

I think tgirl escorts can protect themselves the same way that gg escorts do. SCREENING! It is disheartening to see so many tgirls on eros/backpage/whatnot that do no require any provider references (2+ references at least) or p411 datecheck rs2k etc. It seems like tgirl escorts are much more lax in this area than many of the gg escorts.

I personally won't see anyone that does not screen - which I have found extremely limits me when trying to find a tgirl (where I live, haven't found any yet that I would see) when compared to finding a gg. It isn't foolproof, but I think it would help.

[Josh_64]

Did they get those guys? There will always be people abusing others. And it will always be disgusting. Hope she's soon better.

[Dino Velvet]

I'm sure she just wants a little peace and anonymity for a bit.

I would imagine she does and is definitely entitled to as much as she likes. Her decision when she wants to communicate her thoughts. As fellas we have no idea of what she is going through.

[tvkim]

I think tgirl escorts can protect themselves the same way that gg escorts do

Unless people that want to meet me have been being recommended by a friend, I would NEVER ever meet them.

I only ever meet people at their own homes and always insist on seeing them on webcam first to verify their identity.

I also find out as much about them as possible too. If they don't want to tell me then its a no meet situation.

I also leave a self activating memo on my PC in case anything does go wrong to notify the Police where I am.

Call me paranoid but so many escorts are getting raped and beaten up lately.

[bluesoul]

Well baby its called the LBGT Community......transsexuals fall under the Gay umbrella of the LBGT Community which means Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Gay and Transgender Community. The people that don't like to assoiciate it are people that aren't PROUD of who they are and not comfortable with there sexuality or are clueless about the gay community.

When there are problems like this you say "THANK GOD" for the LBGT Community and its orginzations!! There is NO such thing like the Anti-Violence project in the straight world and many many many many other resources started by the gay community and SOMEONE that is either LBGT!!!

When I was attatcked in NYC I was able to go to them to get help!! My insurance didn't cover veener teeth...cause I had 4 teeth knocked out when I was attatcked. The Anti-Violence project was able to help me get my dental bills of $14,000 paid. I needed emergency dental work. Due to the police reports and all the evidence I got approved right away from The Victims Crime Board. So THANK GOD for the LBGT Community that helped me when I was in need and supported me and counsled me.

I didn't want to leave my house. I'm sure Eva is very nervous right now still being in NYC...as I was also. I was always looking behind me and was even more scared at night time like when this all happened. Its not just physical damage there is alot of emotional damage. I was in such shock when I got jumped I went home first....didn't want to the hospital cause I had just been victimized and needed the comfort of home even though I was bleeding everywhere. I stood in the mirror for an hour and cried and was in disbelief looking at the gash on my face and my teeth knocked out. I needed my friends first. When I went to the hospital they asked why I waited so long to go there. The SHOCK of what happened to you is incredible.....when you are just randomly walking down the street and out of the blue you get jumped and punched in the face and called FAGOT!! Whyyyyyy Whyyyyy Whyyyy are there people like that!! Its incredible that someone wants to beat me up for NO reason and doesn't know anything about me. Did the guy have a bad day??? Did the guy break up with his girlfriend?? Whyyyy??? What made this person target me and punch me???? Whyyy me??? Did I look at him in a weird way??? What did I do to this man that must be straight?? The questions you ask yourself are endless!!! Your body goes into SHOCK!!!!! My heart was in more pain then my mouth and my face!!

i think you misunderstood. in other threads- posted in this forum, transsexual women are very adamant that they should not be associated with the gay community.

personally i do believe the transsexual community fall under the lgbt community and can appreciate what it does for them. i just find it very insulting when they turn around and say something like they shouldn't be considered part of it.

as to your question on the random attack: i honestly think different people do it for different reasons. for unknown reasons, some people are "insulted" or feel "disrespected" when they see someone that they feel is living in a way they consider "unacceptable".

that person does not have to be gay, transsexual or in drag. it could be something as mundane as their skin color, a way they "looked" at someone or how they are dressed (expensive clothing etc). and many people don't want you to change their opinions.

some others will attack someone because they are looking to attack someone and will use any excuse to do so. other's are mentally unstable. it's impossible to tell.

the only thing i know is: the more people there are, the more likely there is to be such attacks.

[Badgrammar7]

out of all the ts women, they pick the rarest ts girl to mug. I am so fucking mad.

[bluesoul]

out of all the ts women, they pick the rarest ts girl to mug. I am so fucking mad.

this is a little ignorant to say. nobody deserves to be attacked- whether they are "rare" or not (whatever that means)

[tragicomedy]

The reason people are mentioning race is the reason why when you move to a new neighborhood, you strongly consider race. If girls are providing services, as a matter of survival, they need to differentiate between doing outcalls to Brownsville and outcalls to Williamsburg.
NYC is about 25% black but 68% of the crimes and homicides are committed by blacks. People like to say it's "poverty" but look at anyone on the street - the newly immigrated asians are wearing "lame" clothing and sneakers and eating rice at home because they're paying for after school tutoring while the blacks are wearing bling and jordans at mcdonalds because they're primary concern is looking stylish. It's just different priorities leading to different outcomes and eventually different actions in life, generation after generation.

It sounded like it was an incall to her hotel room.

[tragicomedy]

I think tgirl escorts can protect themselves the same way that gg escorts do. SCREENING! It is disheartening to see so many tgirls on eros/backpage/whatnot that do no require any provider references (2+ references at least) or p411 datecheck rs2k etc. It seems like tgirl escorts are much more lax in this area than many of the gg escorts.

I personally won't see anyone that does not screen - which I have found extremely limits me when trying to find a tgirl (where I live, haven't found any yet that I would see) when compared to finding a gg. It isn't foolproof, but I think it would help.

They probably deal with many more flakey customers than gg escorts do, so some make the bad decision to be lax on security in order to make more money.

[blkmamba]

I guess Eva will no longer date black men after this. :(
She didn't date blk man to start with last time I spoke to her months ago.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Best wishes to Eva. I sincerely hope she recover fully, both physically and mentally....and they catch the asshole perps.

[tskitana]

speedy recover to Eva!
hope they catch those guys asap.

[evilguy919]

Wow, sorry to hear of this sad new. I'm surprise the new article didn't mention anything about her gender, it was a very classy move on their part. I hope she will be ok and feel better.

[ew86riv]

She didn't date blk man to start with last time I spoke to her months ago.

she was def. set up by these guys.

[Queens Guy]

Wow, sorry to hear of this sad new. I'm surprise the new article didn't mention anything about her gender, it was a very classy move on their part. I hope she will be ok and feel better.

Most didn't, but there was one local channel that did. And it's surprising it was them. They've had several gay people working as on-air talent over the years, including Sam Champion, before he went to Good Morning America, and at least 2 others.

Anything to sell newspapers, I guess.

[MrsKellyPierce]

This is just horrible...I'm so glad she is alive..

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

This is just horrible...I'm so glad she is alive..
+1
I'm a BIG Eva Lin fan. I hope she's on the mend both physically and psychologically and I hope this doesn't screw her up in the long term (short term is understandable).

[Sulka_bewitched_me]

Wow reading some of the comments on that CBS link the original poster put up......holy crap are there ever a lot of racist, ignorant and mentally challenged individuals who posted comments. I'm surprised no one is looking at getting those people's ISP's and tracking down their IP addresses and pressing charges of hate crime/s.

[MrsKellyPierce]

They identified the men http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/178086/police-seek-men-who-sexually-assaulted-transgender-woman-in-hotel

[robertlouis]

They identified the men http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/top_stories/178086/police-seek-men-who-sexually-assaulted-transgender-woman-in-hotel

Good news. Thanks Kelly.

And a full and swift recovery to Eva.

[Tranny Strip]

i think you misunderstood. in other threads- posted in this forum, transsexual women are very adamant that they should not be associated with the gay community.

personally i do believe the transsexual community fall under the lgbt community and can appreciate what it does for them. i just find it very insulting when they turn around and say something like they shouldn't be considered part of it.

as to your question on the random attack: i honestly think different people do it for different reasons. for unknown reasons, some people are "insulted" or feel "disrespected" when they see someone that they feel is living in a way they consider "unacceptable".

that person does not have to be gay, transsexual or in drag. it could be something as mundane as their skin color, a way they "looked" at someone or how they are dressed (expensive clothing etc). and many people don't want you to change their opinions.

some others will attack someone because they are looking to attack someone and will use any excuse to do so. other's are mentally unstable. it's impossible to tell.

the only thing i know is: the more people there are, the more likely there is to be such attacks.

I was wearing a black velvet suit and a black hat. I was not dressed like a FLAMING queen or anything scandolous on when I was attacked.

The guy came out of no where and punched me and ran away. I fell to the ground and my 1 friend that was with me was helping me as I layed on the sidewalk spitting out my teeth and was bleeding. I can't even tell you what the guy looked like. As I all I know is that he had dark hair and a black leather jacket on and was a white guy. The guy that did this is still running free of course cause it happend to quickly within seconds it happened and was over ....me and my friend barely saw what the guy looked like. Once he hit me he ran away and I am sure jumped into a cab.

I am glad they have pictures of the guys that did this to Eva. I wish I had a picture of the guy that did this to me. I am quite sure they will be caught!!! They have cell numbers and maybe IP address and stuff like that to track. NYC detectives don't move that quickly on stuff though. You would be surprised that they don't have the best technology themselves. Its not the FBI. But since this was a high profile case on all news channels this will be taken seriously and made priority.

As far as the guy that did this to me.....like they say KARMA IS A BITCH!!! He will get his!!!!!!!

[notdrunk]

she was def. set up by these guys.

Looks like it was a set-up. The photos released by the police shows that each suspect has a criminal background because the photos look like mugshots.

On a side note, Freddie has egg in his face. Then again, he is just a troll.

[ew86riv]

Looks like it was a set-up. The photos released by the police shows that each suspect has a criminal background because the photos look like mugshots.

On a side note, Freddie has egg in his face. Then again, he is just a troll.

around where she was staying on 57th there are some rough spots a couple blocks up around 10th and 11th ave. i wouldn't be shocked if those one or a couple of those guys were from there and just figured they could go over to the hotel and rob her

[loren]

I'm glad to hear that she is alive. I've been knocked around a couple of times and it does take a lot of time to mentally recover.

[tragicomedy]

Wow reading some of the comments on that CBS link the original poster put up......holy crap are there ever a lot of racist, ignorant and mentally challenged individuals who posted comments. I'm surprised no one is looking at getting those people's ISP's and tracking down their IP addresses and pressing charges of hate crime/s.

That's a local New York website so the majority of those posters are going to be American.

Americans don't prosecute people for unpopular or distasteful speech on the internet.

[notdrunk]

around where she was staying on 57th there are some rough spots a couple blocks up around 10th and 11th ave. i wouldn't be shocked if those one or a couple of those guys were from there and just figured they could go over to the hotel and rob her

It makes sense because Kalif was arrested back in November for burglary. It wouldn't be surprising that they have done this before. Or, it was a revenge thing. One of the suspects felt "disrespected" over the argument. However, we don't know the timeline of the incident to make the "disrespected" angle be plausible.

[tragicomedy]

It makes sense because Kalif was arrested back in November for burglary. It wouldn't be surprising that they have done this before. Or, it was a revenge thing. One of the suspects felt "disrespected" over the argument. However, we don't know the timeline of the incident to make the "disrespected" angle be plausible.

I wonder if they will be received differently by their associates in and out of jail when it becomes known that they raped a transsexual.

[ew86riv]

It makes sense because Kalif was arrested back in November for burglary. It wouldn't be surprising that they have done this before. Or, it was a revenge thing. One of the suspects felt "disrespected" over the argument. However, we don't know the timeline of the incident to make the "disrespected" angle be plausible.

the disrespected angle is still no excuse to attack someone at gunpoint, but this whole situation just gets me mad. i had always wanted to meet her because i'm a big fan and to hear that this happened sucks.

[Queens Guy]

You can click on the link in this story to get large, high quality photos of the men who allegedly did this.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130304/midtown/police-identify-four-suspects-assault-on-transgender-woman-midtown

[notdrunk]

the disrespected angle is still no excuse to attack someone at gunpoint, but this whole situation just gets me mad. i had always wanted to meet her because i'm a big fan and to hear that this happened sucks.

Not saying that is an excuse; however, there are some guys that react violent when they feel "disrespected" by someone.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/ruben-castaneda/pr-georges-man-guilty-of-murde.html
http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/McDonald-s-disrespect-murder-victim-got-meet-new/story-16118039-detail/story.html#axzz2MduoqABV
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8965078

[yosi]

I hope the police will catch these bastards soon

[blakpadi]

All labeled sex offenders for the rest of their lives & life will suck for them on the inside-then out,serves these punks right.Black,white,yellow,mix,red...acting all hard and living the thug life=stupid.Use your fucking minds for something other than illegal street activity,all these young dudes want to just look good,fit the part with all the right clothes,cars...all dressed up with no substance.Read a fucking book turn off your stupid fucking phone,trade in your gun for an instrument and maybe live past 25 yrs old...oh and when you buy the pro hat-take the fucking tag off will you please-BITCH!

[Tranny Strip]

EVERYONE PLEASE CIRCULATE THESE PICTURES - BETTER PICS OF MEN that attacked Eva!!!

It was 4 men...not 3 as originally said!!!

Here are better pics of the Men....please post these pictures everywhere!!!
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130304/midtown/police-identify-four-suspects-assault-on-transgender-woman

[Tranny Strip]

EVERYONE PLEASE CIRCULATE THESE PICTURES - BETTER PICS OF MEN that attacked Eva!!!

It was 4 men...not 3 as originally said!!!

Here are better pics of the Men....please post these pictures everywhere!!!
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130304/midtown/police-identify-four-suspects-assault-on-transgender-woman

Sorry here is the link!!!
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2013...-woman-midtown

[Tranny Strip]

EVERYONE PLEASE CIRCULATE THESE PICTURES - BETTER PICS OF MEN that attacked Eva!!!

It was 4 men...not 3 as originally said!!!

Here are better pics of the Men....please post these pictures everywhere!!!
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130304/midtown/police-identify-four-suspects-assault-on-transgender-woman

The link isn't working. Try this link to see the 4 Men -
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130304/midtown/police-identify-four-suspects-assault-on-transgender-woman-midtown

[sosed]

I hope attackers will soon go where they belong. Any news about Eva? I hope she is recovering well.

[Dino Velvet]

Any news about Eva? I hope she is recovering well.

Any update on Eva?

[bluesoul]

That's a local New York website so the majority of those posters are going to be American.

Americans don't prosecute people for unpopular or distasteful speech on the internet.

correct.communists have been known to do that though

[Stavros]

I think if this thread is to have any sense of purpose, other than offering Eva our support, it should be to create a set of security rules for escorts, sort of like a 'culture change' in the business in order to make incidents like this as rare as they can be made to be. What those rules should be some posters (like TVKim) have already indicated, more might be worth discussing. How much verifiable information is a guy willing to provide in advance of a date?

[Prospero]

I agree with that idea Stavros, but some of TVKim's ideas simply will not work for many of the working girls out there.

Firstly the question of recommendations. Many punters protect their privacy and are not open about their sexual interests - so are unlikely to tell their friends to go see X or Y (I suspect it would be rare when it comes to GG escorts, let alone TS or TV girls).

Seeing a guy on webcam may be one route. But a lot of punters do not use webcam. And how would that really verify anything/

Insisting only on outcalls? That can be just as dangerous as incalls surely? And again it limits the number of customers a girl can see.

Talking about who they are? Well there are many who would give false data and certainly would not give out things like home telephone numbers or addresses. Kim may have the privilege to insist on these things and turn away customers. Many working girls don't have that option.

It is also very easy for guys to get throwaway mobile phones.

So how can a girl ultimately protect herself. She really has to be very careful who she sees. Perhaps if she can use a line of sight asking the client to call from a particular place she can see from her window to see if he is on his own? Even a lone man can do a lot of harm. I can think of two or three cases told to me of girls attacked by lone punters - sometimes after being given every reason to believe the punter is genuine. In one case the customer tried to bite off the girl's cock, in another the girl had to reach out for a lamp standard to hit her attacker who was trying to strangle her.

[GroobySteven]

I had an email from Eva yesterday - she's recovering well and her spirits seem up.
Thanks,

[Prospero]

One thought is a phone-a-friend option? Most girls have contacts in the business. Maybe they should arrange to have their friend call just after a client arrives. if there is no answer then the police could be called.

[Dino Velvet]

I had an email from Eva yesterday - she's recovering well and her spirits seem up.
Thanks,

Thanks for that.

[bzzzay]

Talking about who they are? Well there are many who would give false data and certainly would not give out things like home telephone numbers or addresses. Kim may have the privilege to insist on these things and turn away customers. Many working girls don't have that option.

The standard way to verify a client without references from other respected providers is to verify their work information. You provide your name and work contact info to the girl or her screener/agency. They call your organization with a ruse (this is done very discretely, like as a reminder for an appointment or something, etc.) to verify that you do actually work for the organization and you are who you say you are. This is a requirement for virutally all professional escorts. And if I am not mistaken, this is the same process that verification services like datecheck and p411 use as well.

Also happy to hear that Eva is recovering well. She is extremely brave.

[Prospero]

Interesting bzzzay. I never heard of that.

[irvin66]

Hopes all goes well.

[Prospero]

I would hope and assume that most girls have some form of protection to hand (ie a knife in the UK). I've visiting escorts who clearly have a friend in a room nearby. A good plan. Years ago when i was at Cambridge there was a revolting character who became known as the "Cambridge Rapist" who carried out a large number of attacks in the city - clambering into girls rooms at night through open windows. He even had a leather mask made with the word "Rapist" on it. My girlfriend then used to sleep with a kitchen knife under her pillow.

[bluesoul]

One thought is a phone-a-friend option? Most girls have contacts in the business. Maybe they should arrange to have their friend call just after a client arrives. if there is no answer then the police could be called.

what if she's in the bathroom doing a number 2 and cannot answer the phone? or what if she hasn't paid her phone bill?

[GroobySteven]

Not just communists, left dominated states in Europe have been known to put people on trial for hate speech. Not to mention Briton where left-wingers think it's just fine to attack non-Left wingers before they speak at University.

You can be arrested for crossing a road in the US. So much for freedoms!

PS - It's Britain. Or the UK.

[Prospero]

Tragicomedy - confine your obsessions with the british political system to the politics thread. This is about issues around attacks on escorts.

[AsiaMei]

i dont think it was a hate crime at all... those guys date the girls...

[Chase_Mcthirsty]

But you actually do ignore the statistics. There are more white people living in poverty than any other ethnicity.

According to the 2011 census, there were 308,000,000 people in the US. 63% Caucasian, 17% Hispanic & 12% African American. That comes out to 194,000,000 C, 54,400,000 H and 37,000,000 AA. 13% of Caucasians were under the poverty line (25,200,000). 33% Hispanic (17,300,000) & 35% African American (13,000,000)

statehealthfacts.org

Shhh.... Some black ts who escort tend to use statistics only when convenient.

[nysprod]

You can be arrested for crossing a road in the US. So much for freedoms!

I think you're stretching this a bit...

[tragicomedy]

Tragicomedy - confine your obsessions with the british political system to the politics thread. This is about issues around attacks on escorts.

It was in reply to another post.

[tragicomedy]

You can be arrested for crossing a road in the US. So much for freedoms!

PS - It's Britain. Or the UK.

Isn't Northern Ireland part of the UK? Then it's not a completely alien idea there either. You won't normally see people charged with jaywalking outside of congested urban areas like NY unless it's following an accident or some other charge.

[uchetal]

Bastards! I hope they catch and prosecute the cowards. I do not have the time share all that I would like about this horrible act. Eva, I hope you are well; my thoughts and prayers are with you. If the scum bags are trolling the HA boards then read this... YOU WANT SOME, COME GET SOME!

[bluesoul]

If the scum bags are trolling the HA boards then read this... YOU WANT SOME, COME GET SOME!

looool

[bluesoul]

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[Westheangelino]

I used to be vehemently opposed to legalizing prostitution, but then I actually got to know some escorts (GG and TS). I don't think it should be legalized on the basis of "it's consenting adults" or some other libertarian angle. It should be legalized for one legit reason: the protection of the prostitute and the elevation of women's (and all) rights. Thugs like the ones who attacked Eva view prostitutes as an easy target to rob, rape, or otherwise get their kicks because they know that the person they are attacking likely have an innate fear or distrust of the police, as well they should in most cases. This especially needs to happen now that we are living in a time without pimps. Pimps are still around for sure, but with the advent of craigslist, eros, backpage, etc. they seem to be far less used than before.

Legalize it! Protect everyone under the law! Some feminists believe that it would only further denigrate women. However, I would argue that it would do further good to combat the "rape schedule" that all women live by? Wtf do I mean by "rape schedule"? Think about it. As a woman, you do all these little things to avoid that danger. Leaving or not leaving the house at a certain time, having a trusted male walk you to your car, carrying your keys in your hand as you walk to the car, rituals revolving around making sure your drink is not spiked, and it goes on and on and on and on. The rape schedule is so ingrained that it isn't even recognized or discussed, and it is a detriment to all of us that our society doesn't protect women as well as men. Now, just think about how much more intricate the rape schedule of an escort must be........

[Prospero]

Why were you so vehemently opposed to legalisation?

[Westheangelino]

Why were you so vehemently opposed to legalisation?


I was much younger, and was of the mind that we, as a society, should not put our stamp of approval on something that is basically a system of inequality. While I am sure there are some happy and healthy sex workers out there, all you need to do is look at that groups statistics on life expectancy, rape, abuse, and drug addiction to see that it is not a life someone consciously "chooses". All that being said, leaving sex workers open to attack by keeping their activity illegal is not going to solve the problem, only exacerbate it. The system of illegality itself is also highly unequal. Just look at how prostitutes are treated in the legal system as opposed to their Johns.

So, from a pragmatic and humane point of view, I can now see that by legalizing the sex trade we can aim to protect the sex workers while not necessarily giving our approval to the situation they are in.

[giovanni_hotel]

A post-pimp world.

Like flies and maggots, pimps do have place in the natural order.
If Eva had a serious pimp, these dudes might have been found in an alley somewhere.

[GroobySteven]

A post-pimp world.

Like flies and maggots, pimps do have place in the natural order.
If Eva had a serious pimp, these dudes might have been found in an alley somewhere.

... and then she'd be found in an alley by the same pimp when the money stopped coming in. That's why the girls are better working for themselves and this sort of thing is still reasonably rare.

[giovanni_hotel]

... and then she'd be found in an alley by the same pimp when the money stopped coming in. That's why the girls are better working for themselves and this sort of thing is still reasonably rare.

Not to jack this thread, but pimps don't generally murder low earners.

A TS pimp can't go out and automatically replace an escort like Eva anyway.
I'd think at most he'd bitch about how little she was bringing in and deal with it.
I'm talking about the protection angle anyway.
In many cases a pimp acts as a referral. He knows the clientele and he would know who these guys were that attacked her before anyone in law enforcement and 'dealt' with it.

[bluesoul]

Not to jack this thread, but pimps don't generally murder low earners.

A TS pimp can't go out and automatically replace an escort like Eva anyway.
I'd think at most he'd bitch about how little she was bringing in and deal with it.
I'm talking about the protection angle anyway.
In many cases a pimp acts as a referral. He knows the clientele and he would know who these guys were that attacked her before anyone in law enforcement and 'dealt' with it.

i've never heard of a single pimp who did anything to protect a prostitute- except maybe paying their bond (but even then, they do it with the hookers money).

do you honestly think a pimp would go around enforcing justice for his girls? pimps usually beat their hookers regularly just to maintain loyalty and instill fear. if a hooker is hurt, the first person i'd look into was either a pimp or a regular john

[giovanni_hotel]

i've never heard of a single pimp who did anything to protect a prostitute- except maybe paying their bond (but even then, they do it with the hookers money).

do you honestly think a pimp would go around enforcing justice for his girls? pimps usually beat their hookers regularly just to maintain loyalty and instill fear. if a hooker is hurt, the first person i'd look into was either a pimp or a regular john


Pimps don't knowingly let clients beat up their cash flow.
It's not about justice. It's about the bottom line.

People aren't getting that the way a GG pimp operates would not even be close to the same way a TS pimp handles his business.

Actually I would think a TS pimp would function more like a madam for high end call girls.

If a TS pimp loses a girl, for the most part she simply cannot be easily replaced, so he has to handle her more like a valued employee and use other means of coercion that don't rely on beating her ass.

Pimps don't beat up johns??lol

Try not paying a girl and he knows who you are.
Just business.

[GroobySteven]

I think we've got a wannabe pimp in the house!

[bluesoul]

Pimps don't beat up johns??lol

Try not paying a girl and he knows who you are.
Just business.

i think it's more likely the girl will get beaten up for "not getting his money" because hookers are supposed to get the money BEFORE the sex. most pimps aren't even on the track when this is happening and only show up to collect so that also eliminates that protection factor.

[youngblood61]

Get well Eva.:)

[Tranny Strip]

I had a long conversation with Eva. Very horrific when she told me details of what was done to her!! The NYPD actaully applauses here for standing up for herself and out to get these Men and not be scared to say who they are!! They said most girls would be to scared to identify these men and would wanna keep it quiet.

Lets find these fuckers and get them!! They are idiots and left here hand prints all over the room and on her!! There are finger prints everywhere and proof of who they were. They will have a hard time fighting this!!

Here are the FOUR Men!! If you notice any of these Men call NYPD Crime Stoppers!!

Names of the Men and Pics in this Order -
#1 Domique Fennel
#2 Jorge Castro
#3 Kalif Halie
#4 Wayne Green

[giovanni_hotel]

Those seem like prior mugshots. Not a good look.

Out and proud.....about to go to jail. That should be fun.
Thankfully it wasn't worse than it was.

[Queens Guy]

Those seem like prior mugshots. Not a good look.

Out and proud.....about to go to jail. That should be fun.

I wonder what they've been arrested for in the past? And when?

Too bad the media doesn't go interview their friends and families. They'd get a lot less help staying hidden if their friends and family knew the whole story. Homophobia might actually help get a relative or gang member to turn them in.

[TempestTS]

Fuck those Assholes... And double fuck any slimebag lawyer who defends them... you know they are going to be lying through their teeth covering each others ass and trying to write their own version of events and why their prints are all over and trying to manipulate the system to get let off. Justice needs to be served.



I had a long conversation with Eva. Very horrific when she told me details of what was done to her!! The NYPD actaully applauses here for standing up for herself and out to get these Men and not be scared to say who they are!! They said most girls would be to scared to identify these men and would wanna keep it quiet.

Lets find these fuckers and get them!! They are idiots and left here hand prints all over the room and on her!! There are finger prints everywhere and proof of who they were. They will have a hard time fighting this!!

Here are the FOUR Men!! If you notice any of these Men call NYPD Crime Stoppers!!

Names of the Men and Pics in this Order -
#1 Domique Fennel
#2 Jorge Castro
#3 Kalif Halie
#4 Wayne Green

[Rusty Eldora]

I think New Zealand has a good approach. It is legal for citizens to register as individual providers and may share a space with like 4 others. That means they are local, independent, and a 'business'. Pimps, brothels, handlers, etc remain illegal yet the supply is available and the women have access to police and healthcare. It really kills the 'racket' portion of business.



I was much younger, and was of the mind that we, as a society, should not put our stamp of approval on something that is basically a system of inequality. While I am sure there are some happy and healthy sex workers out there, all you need to do is look at that groups statistics on life expectancy, rape, abuse, and drug addiction to see that it is not a life someone consciously "chooses". All that being said, leaving sex workers open to attack by keeping their activity illegal is not going to solve the problem, only exacerbate it. The system of illegality itself is also highly unequal. Just look at how prostitutes are treated in the legal system as opposed to their Johns.

So, from a pragmatic and humane point of view, I can now see that by legalizing the sex trade we can aim to protect the sex workers while not necessarily giving our approval to the situation they are in.

[LordRectum1]

Yes, those do look like prior mugshots and based on friends I know in LE these guys have to be taken into custody ASAP. Giovanni is correct.

[doctor screw]

The reason people are mentioning race is the reason why when you move to a new neighborhood, you strongly consider race. If girls are providing services, as a matter of survival, they need to differentiate between doing outcalls to Brownsville and outcalls to Williamsburg.
NYC is about 25% black but 68% of the crimes and homicides are committed by blacks. People like to say it's "poverty" but look at anyone on the street - the newly immigrated asians are wearing "lame" clothing and sneakers and eating rice at home because they're paying for after school tutoring while the blacks are wearing bling and jordans at mcdonalds because they're primary concern is looking stylish. It's just different priorities leading to different outcomes and eventually different actions in life, generation after generation.

....and this shit is praised here......I wonder what type of mod would allow this....LOL

[doctor screw]

Bastards! I hope they catch and prosecute the cowards. I do not have the time share all that I would like about this horrible act. Eva, I hope you are well; my thoughts and prayers are with you. If the scum bags are trolling the HA boards then read this... YOU WANT SOME, COME GET SOME!

Everyone is tuff on the interwebz...lol

[uchetal]

These four assholes commited a cowardly act. I am pissed and I responded with emotion. Get these cowards one on one, they're not going to be so tough. Being this is the only vehicle for me to respond to the cowardly act, I said what I had to say. I can walk my talk doctor. Has nothing to do with being tough but everything to do with justice. Good ole frontier justice if you catch my drift. Have a nice day :)

[nysprod]

Fuck those Assholes... And double fuck any slimebag lawyer who defends them... you know they are going to be lying through their teeth covering each others ass and trying to write their own version of events and why their prints are all over and trying to manipulate the system to get let off. Justice needs to be served.

Hardly...when they're arrested LE will do the typical thing by offering one a reduced sentence (or even no sentence) to spill his guts, which he will more than likely do.

[giovanni_hotel]

I'd love to hear them spin how they didn't know Eva was trans.

[TSPornFan]

I am so freaking mad at the moments in the news report. People are blaming her for what happen to her. It is NEVER the victim's fault because a crime occurred against them.


Here are some of the comments. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/28/nypd-woman-sexually-assaulted-at-gunpoint-in-hotel-room-by-3-suspects/


Ladies.....God stamped blacks with a warning label from head to toe......take heed or live to regret it forever (if you are not beaten to death or die from aids)


or the fact shes a transsexual, never told him until he got there and things went cray, in that case i offer no sympathy ;)

[giovanni_hotel]

You can't listen to that stuff FRANKLIN.
It's the wackos and maladjusted who write that kind of filth anyway.

There's no way they didn't know Eva was trans. It's not like they bumped into her at the corner diner and she invited them back to her hotel room for a freebie.

They sought her out.

[GroobySteven]

You can't listen to that stuff FRANKLIN.
It's the wackos and maladjusted who write that kind of filth anyway.

There's no way they didn't know Eva was trans. It's not like they bumped into her at the corner diner and she invited them back to her hotel room for a freebie.

They sought her out.

Agreed - skip the comments - just really nasty people in there.

[amberskyi]

Not to jack this thread, but pimps don't generally murder low earners.

A TS pimp can't go out and automatically replace an escort like Eva anyway.
I'd think at most he'd bitch about how little she was bringing in and deal with it.
I'm talking about the protection angle anyway.
In many cases a pimp acts as a referral. He knows the clientele and he would know who these guys were that attacked her before anyone in law enforcement and 'dealt' with it.

No they just cave their face in and send them out the next day.
Let's not romanticize a man who preys on the weakness of woman.

[giovanni_hotel]

No they just cave their face in and send them out the next day.
Let's not romanticize a man who preys on the weakness of woman.

I wasn't, just thinking out loud. I understand being independent for an escort has multiple benefits, however that usually means a girl is responsible for her own security and safety.

In a different setup, like a legal brothel for instance, being protected from clients would be less of an issue.


I still believe if you were pimping for model quality TS escorts, you really couldn't beat them down like a teenage runaway GG prostitute new to the big city from some fly over state.

[SammiValentine]

Horrible to read , hope she recovers well.

2am Escorting? Thats also a reminder to self why I dont see people after 8-9pm unless I know them very well.... anything late is dangerous especially in a big city, its knobhead time.

[amberskyi]

I wasn't, just thinking out loud. I understand being independent for an escort has multiple benefits, however that usually means a girl is responsible for her own security and safety.

In a different setup, like a legal brothel for instance, being protected from clients would be less of an issue.


I still believe if you were pimping for model quality TS escorts, you really couldn't beat them down like a teenage runaway GG prostitute new to the big city from some fly over state.

there is no such thing as a pimp for high quality girls for several reasons:

a. a pimp purposely seeks out weak and broken woman because they are very easy to control.also allot of these woman have no where else to turn so they perceive that the pimp is their only resort.a high quality escort would be to independent of spirit and have to many resources at her disposal.
b. pimps are all about the high turn over when it comes to clients and money.they rather a girl see 20 men for 50-60 a pop instead of what a high quality escort would charge which is anywhere between 200-600.because of her high price there isnt a high turnover rate.she would see anywhere from 1 to 3 clients a day.that a big benefit of seeing a higher end girl because she wouldnt have a whole ton of men who ran through her.
c. high quality girls attract a certain degree of clientele.any where from a-list celebrities to powerful business men.to these men discretion is of the most importance and often require the girl to sign a confidentiality contract that i doubt would extend to their pimp lol

theres a reason why high quality gg call girls are either independent or work with agencies.

[amberskyi]

Horrible to read , hope she recovers well.

2am Escorting? Thats also a reminder to self why I dont see people after 8-9pm unless I know them very well.... anything late is dangerous especially in a big city, its knobhead time.

i dont see anyone after midnight and i tend to not entertain younger clients after sunset.also i never see anyone of an urban or "ghetto" background

[SammiValentine]

i dont see anyone after midnight and i tend to not entertain younger clients after sunset.also i never see anyone of an urban or "ghetto" background

Yes i tend not to see younger guys fullstop and I am wary of who I see based on accent etc. Can spot a "ghetto" or "scally" accent (as we say round here) from any part of the UK generally. Innit blud.

In London I also take "race" into consideration, not something I ever did initially or ever dreamed of doing but two very very dodgy moments that i got away with .... forced my hand.

Of course not every nutjob is from the lower rungs of the social ladder, some of the mot crazy fucks in the worlds history have been the most intelligent, but I think it narrows the odds a lot ;-)
x

[amberskyi]

Yes i tend not to see younger guys fullstop and I am wary of who I see based on accent etc. Can spot a "ghetto" or "scally" accent (as we say round here) from any part of the UK generally. Innit blud.

In London I also take "race" into consideration, not something I ever did initially or ever dreamed of doing but two very very dodgy moments that i got away with .... forced my hand.

Of course not every nutjob is from the lower rungs of the social ladder, some of the mot crazy fucks in the worlds history have been the most intelligent, but I think it narrows the odds a lot ;-)
x

and thats what screening is all about.you cant completely remove the risks but we sure as hell can limit the opportunities.
i wont get into racial screening for obvious reasons but i will say most girls do it and as a black woman i dont really get upset at the idea.in fact,i understand.

[giovanni_hotel]

there is no such thing as a pimp for high quality girls for several reasons:

a. a pimp purposely seeks out weak and broken woman because they are very easy to control.also allot of these woman have no where else to turn so they perceive that the pimp is their only resort.a high quality escort would be to independent of spirit and have to many resources at her disposal.
b. pimps are all about the high turn over when it comes to clients and money.they rather a girl see 20 men for 50-60 a pop instead of what a high quality escort would charge which is anywhere between 200-600.because of her high price there isnt a high turnover rate.she would see anywhere from 1 to 3 clients a day.that a big benefit of seeing a higher end girl because she wouldnt have a whole ton of men who ran through her.
c. high quality girls attract a certain degree of clientele.any where from a-list celebrities to powerful business men.to these men discretion is of the most importance and often require the girl to sign a confidentiality contract that i doubt would extend to their pimp lol

theres a reason why high quality gg call girls are either independent or work with agencies.

Semantics.

A 'madam' is just another word for an upscale pimp.
Broker. Agent. Concept is the same.

[SammiValentine]

Semantics.

A 'madam' is just another word for an upscale pimp.
Broker. Agent. Concept is the same.

Sorry to butt in but a "madam" is generally an ex prostitute/escort herself so its quite a big diff to a "pimp", its not a simple case of a diff gender doing the "pimping".

[amberskyi]

Sorry to butt in but a "madam" is generally an ex prostitute/escort herself so its quite a big diff to a "pimp", its not a simple case of a diff gender doing the "pimping".

its really a lifestyle.i suggest those who are curious about pimping and pimp culture check out a documentary called "american pimping".
aslo an agency charges the girl a fee.a pimp demands all the girls money and "manages" it for her

[SammiValentine]

a madams not an agency though, a madam runs a house, safety in numbers, brings cost down yadda yadda. being ex escorts themselves, apart from obviously making money they have girls interest and safety at heart.

[Prospero]

What about a "maid" then - lots of working GGs use these? But it trims the profit margin.

[SammiValentine]

What about a "maid" then - lots of working GGs use these? But it trims the profit margin.

A maid in a "brothel" is usually a working girl answering the phones on her day off, or even the madam does the phones herself..

dunno about other setups. i think they paid a flat rate and bonus on punters in so profit margins are relative, come on old bean this is business ;-)

[giovanni_hotel]

LOL. The word 'pimp' has such bad PR.

Dennis Hof, owner of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch is every bit a pimp.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00232/96216973_nevada2_232237b.jpg

He recruits girls and for the various services he provides to his escorts, he gets a percentage of all their client fees.

The reason I call guys like Hof 'upscale' is because he treats his girls more like employees; he doesn't beat them, he doesn't encourage their drug habits. And if they don't earn he fires them.

But it's still pimping.

I don't want to go into a long convo about pimping, I was just expanding on the idea put forth by Westtheangelino that since the advent of backpage and craigslist, we now live in a post-pimp world for most escorts, which has given escorts more professional independence but may leave them more vulnerable to attacks like the one that happened to Eva.

I just thought it was an interesting premise to discuss.

But I also get it that any slight positive a girl might have from 'protection' by her pimp against psycho johns is outweighed by the host of negatives that come from having a street level pimp repping you.

[SammiValentine]

If all pimps did the above then that is comparable to Madams, but as they dont... i still dont think it can be called one and the same.

I agree though that is how it can be done, and if legalised how it should be done for everyones benefit.

On the subject of what you would get from a pimp, the "security thing" .... I know a lot of well known GG escorts hire security for the day in london etc after some stabbings and other nasty shit years ago. Financially it probably works out the same.

[bluesoul]

everyone keeps referring to GG's. is that what we're shooting for here?

[TempestTS]

Hardly...when they're arrested LE will do the typical thing by offering one a reduced sentence (or even no sentence) to spill his guts, which he will more than likely do.

More than likely - criminals with a previous record know the game

your confidence and optimism in the legal system seems to exceed mine - I hope you are right and Im wrong in this case.

[sheyum]

wow
just read the COMMENTS on this article..
the level of idiocy in this country is beyond human comprehension..

its nothing less than terrifying..





I am so freaking mad at the moments in the news report. People are blaming her for what happen to her. It is NEVER the victim's fault because a crime occurred against them.


Here are some of the comments. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/28/nypd-woman-sexually-assaulted-at-gunpoint-in-hotel-room-by-3-suspects/

[Dino Velvet]

Fuck those Assholes... And double fuck any slimebag lawyer who defends them... you know they are going to be lying through their teeth covering each others ass and trying to write their own version of events and why their prints are all over and trying to manipulate the system to get let off. Justice needs to be served.

Probably try to be a bunch of sobby bitches on the stand trying to tug on heartstrings of the jury.

"Who cares, motherfucker? Go to prison and never see the sun again."

[TempestTS]

Probably try to be a bunch of sobby bitches on the stand trying to tug on heartstrings of the jury.

"Who cares, motherfucker? Go to prison and never see the sun again."

And this is why I love me some DINO

[bzzzay]

Please don't believe everything you read in comment sections on the internet as refelecting the values or opinions of the individual posting. Trolls be trollin.

Eva has been positive on twitter and it is really encouraging. I keep checking back here expecting these guys to have been caught already!

[Dino Velvet]

And this is why I love me some DINO

Right back atcha. Don't give me and all my sick imagination the keys to their cells. I'd make Uday and Qusay Hussein look like busy-body bleeding-heart social workers.

Cannibal Corpse - Meat Hook Sodomy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtkPxffMrCo)

[sucka4chix]

Ain't but one game-the pimp game. Everyone is either a pimp or ho' to somebody. Ask Ice T, the original gangsta.

[doctor screw]

Ain't but one game-the pimp game. Everyone is either a pimp or ho' to somebody. Ask Ice T, the original gangsta.

Ice-T got pimped by Coco....

Coco tricked on some dude in Las Vegas ,brought him a car and everything..lol

[GroobyKrissy]

Looks like one down... HT @transnewsdaily

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_blotter/nypd_daily_blotter_LgezvSjQf7rBIPr7aXNYTJ (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_blotter/nypd_daily_blotter_LgezvSjQf7rBIPr7aXNYTJ)

[bzzzay]

Yes!!!! Glad to see this. Three more to go

[Queens Guy]

Looks like one down... HT @transnewsdaily

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_blotter/nypd_daily_blotter_LgezvSjQf7rBIPr7aXNYTJ (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_blotter/nypd_daily_blotter_LgezvSjQf7rBIPr7aXNYTJ)

Great news.

Seeing as he was found with a gun on him, he's rolled over on the other three already, or he will do it as soon as he gets offered a deal.

[Dino Velvet]

Looks like one down... HT @transnewsdaily

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_blotter/nypd_daily_blotter_LgezvSjQf7rBIPr7aXNYTJ (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nypd_blotter/nypd_daily_blotter_LgezvSjQf7rBIPr7aXNYTJ)

Any recent updates?

[dc_guy_75]

The suspects obviously look like fine, upstanding members of society.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130304/midtown/police-identify-four-suspects-assault-on-transgender-woman-midtown/slideshow/popup/353643

[Dino Velvet]

The suspects obviously look like fine, upstanding members of society.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130304/midtown/police-identify-four-suspects-assault-on-transgender-woman-midtown/slideshow/popup/353643

A shame they're still breathing. I'm hoping for some positive news. I hope she's better too and has had lots of support from the right people.

[wiltthestilt]

Scum like that hurt the reputation of all men. It would be best if they were euthanized but a 25-30 year sentence would do. Who knows what they will actually get though. Hope they are convicted of a bias crime on top of aggravated rape.Hopefully they die in jail. Scum.

[notdrunk]

Any recent updates?

According to New York City's jail search, if I got the ages right, they have been all arrested.

[bluesoul]

A shame they're still breathing. I'm hoping for some positive news. I hope she's better too and has had lots of support from the right people.

i'd say she's moving ahead with her life (http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=76826)

[flabbybody]

Chalk one up for NYPD.
hopefully the scumbags will do some serious time.
glad to see Eva fully recovered and back working

[Queens Guy]

According to New York City's jail search, if I got the ages right, they have been all arrested.

I think your research is correct. And all charged with serious felonies, too. Burglary and Conspiracy, so far.
Guess the assault and sexual assault charges will get added on later.

[Dino Velvet]

I can see she's escorting and doing videos. My concern for her is as a human being and as a woman psychologically as well as physically. She was attacked only about a little over a month and a week ago. Her health and well being is the only thing that's important.