Trans Girls and Couples: The Bisexual Question

[acouplenyc]

Hi! So, we're a young male/female couple in NYC who are both into trans girls. We've just started to look around together and were wondering how common actual bisexual trans girls are. From our experience it seems like a rarity. Yes, there are the eros ads and porn, but gotta wonder how much of that is just for money as opposed to pleasure. Anyways, just wondering and couldn't think of abetter place to ask! Thanks! :)

[BellaBellucci]

I'm pretty much 50/50 bisexual.

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

I'm bisexual as long as a guy is there lol

One on one with a female is not for me

[BellaBellucci]

I'm bisexual as long as a guy is there lol

One on one with a female is not for me

Then you're not bisexual. You play with other women to please men. You're 'bar-bi' at best. Please stop claiming bisexuality. Those of us who actually are face most of the discrimination against us due to people like you, even among LGBT people. They call us 'confused,' or 'greedy.' Maybe you are, but I'm not.

~BB~

[RallyCola]

Then you're not bisexual. You play with other women to please men. You're 'bar-bi' at best. Please stop claiming bisexuality. Those of us who actually are face most of the discrimination against us due to people like you, even among LGBT people. They call us 'confused,' or 'greedy.' Maybe you are, but I'm not.

~BB~


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[acouplenyc]

I'm pretty much 50/50 bisexual.

~BB~

yay, there's one! thanks for the hope! :)

[acouplenyc]

I'm bisexual as long as a guy is there lol

One on one with a female is not for me

And there's two! Kelly, we know each other. Check your FB msgs. ;)

[BellaBellucci]

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/314/2/b/get_off_your_high_horse_by_alphonus-d32kb2z.jpg

Are you bisexual? Do you know what I go through?

Didn't think so. 'High horse,' indeed.

~BB~

[acouplenyc]

Then you're not bisexual. You play with other women to please men. You're 'bar-bi' at best. Please stop claiming bisexuality. Those of us who actually are face most of the discrimination against us due to people like you, even among LGBT people. They call us 'confused,' or 'greedy.' Maybe you are, but I'm not.

~BB~

I totally think there are varying degrees of bisexuality. I think what you are referring to are called sloppy. Kelly is not sloppy, IMHO. :)

[BellaBellucci]

I totally think there are varying degrees of bisexuality. I think what you are referring to are called sloppy. Kelly is not sloppy, IMHO. :)

She claims that she's bi all the time. She's lying. I'm just pointing it out.

~BB~

[RallyCola]

She claims that she's bi all the time. She's lying. I'm just pointing it out.

~BB~


no, you are just another moron that doesn't like when people say something that doesn't fit your biased and pigeon-hole definition. who the fuck are you to tell someone else about their sexuality.

the OP had a fair question...are there bisexual tgirls of which Kelly answered that she is one. i didn't know you were the master of kelly's sexuality and preferences such that you can tell her that she isn't.

to turn your completely idiotic post around on you....

Are you bisexual? Do you know what I go through?

Didn't think so. 'High horse,' indeed.

~BB~

do you know what kelly goes through? what anyone else goes through? i didn't think so either so really, get off your high horse.

[acouplenyc]

personally, it's just good to know that there are trans women who are bisexual in life, not just for pay. of course, the two women who responded are not in nyc...but, hey, it's a start! :)

[BellaBellucci]

I made a valid point. Kelly herself has often declared herself bisexual, but then said that she's not or that 'there has to be a man there,' or some other such nonsense, and I think she's full of shit. I'm sick of people labeling themselves for attention. It's not just a bi thing. It's a trans thing, too. Some girls will say anything just to have something to say and Kelly has perpetually been the poster child for such behavior.

On a more personal note, you RallyCola, can go fuck yourself at your earliest convenience.

~BB~

[acouplenyc]

hay all. can we go back to this being a feelgood thread? you know, celebrating our diversity. :)

[RallyCola]

hay all. can we go back to this being a feelgood thread? you know, celebrating our diversity. :)

we can't celebrate diversity because bella has already turned this thread into a "definition" thread like she has done in the past because someone doesn't meet her rigid and limited scope. she continually shows her inflexibility and lack of intelligence. she is talking about "what she goes through" as a self-identifying bisexual woman and then criticizes another self-identifying bisexual woman for not being as bi as she is. its sad.

now, since i know bella is completely incapable of seeing anything beyond her very limited, bias and unwarranted hypocrisy, i'll just say that i did just fuck myself and it was wonderful!

the fact remains...transwomen are the same as ggirls in that they come in all flavors of preference outside of what they may be paid to do...some are exclusively interested in one gender only and others enjoy both. that is all.

[acouplenyc]

the fact remains...transwomen are the same as ggirls in that they come in all flavors of preference outside of what they may be paid to do...some are exclusively interested in one gender only and others enjoy both. that is all.

true. sometimes think it's less so in the trans community. in fact, it seems like more hetero couples are more open to new experiences than trans women. could be wrong, but it's an observation.

[BellaBellucci]

we can't celebrate diversity because bella has already turned this thread into a "definition" thread like she has done in the past because someone doesn't meet her rigid and limited scope. she continually shows her inflexibility and lack of intelligence. she is talking about "what she goes through" as a self-identifying bisexual woman and then criticizes another self-identifying bisexual woman for not being as bi as she is. its sad.

now, since i know bella is completely incapable of seeing anything beyond her very limited, bias and unwarranted hypocrisy, i'll just say that i did just fuck myself and it was wonderful!

the fact remains...transwomen are the same as ggirls in that they come in all flavors of preference outside of what they may be paid to do...some are exclusively interested in one gender only and others enjoy both. that is all.

Excuse me. KELLY admitted that she was 'less bi,' even if not in such terms, by explicitly stating conditions for her supposed bisexuality ('if there is a guy there,' read: 'because my man thinks it's hot'). That's not me judging. That's someone saying whatever is convenient for her when it suits her. She's not bi just because she says so.

She herself has criticized crossdressers for usurping the trans identity in much the same way, and if you want to white knight for her, that's fine, but with that said, both of you know she's an attention whore and a hypocrite.

~BB~

[acouplenyc]

Excuse me. KELLY admitted that she was 'less bi,' even if not in such terms, by explicitly stating conditions for her supposed bisexuality ('if there is a guy there,' read: 'because my man thinks it's hot'). That's not me judging. That's someone saying whatever is convenient for her when it suits her. She's not bi just because she says so.

She herself has criticized crossdressers for usurping the trans identity in much the same way, and if you want to white knight for her, that's fine, but with that said, both of you know she's an attention whore and a hypocrite.

~BB~

oh...not judging anyone, bella. no need to. :)

[Jericho]

hay all. can we go back to this being a feelgood thread?

THIS IS HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
So not a fukkin chance! :shrug

[acouplenyc]

THIS IS HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
So not a fukkin chance! :shrug

hahaha! we tried. :)

[amberskyi]

i kinda feel where bellas coming from.i think girls are kinda cute.i also like feeling on tits and booty when im a bit drunk.ive even had threesomes where ive enjoyed myself but i wouldnt call myself bi because i dont see myself really having a one on one serious sexual encounter with a female.

[BellaBellucci]

i kinda feel where bellas coming from.i think girls are kinda cute.i also like feeling on tits and booty when im a bit drunk.ive even had threesomes where ive enjoyed myself but i wouldnt call myself bi because i dont see myself really having a one on one serious sexual encounter with a female.

Thank you, dear. How about a one on one sexual encounter with a TS? How about a one on one sexual encounter with me?! :dancing:

Kidding! Or am I?! ;)

~BB~

[Remy757Photog]

Totally bi and oh so happy that way ;)

[loveboof]

no, you are just another moron that doesn't like when people say something that doesn't fit your biased and pigeon-hole definition. who the fuck are you to tell someone else about their sexuality.


I've seen you do that exact moronic pigeon holing on some of those 'am I gay?' threads...

You'll confidently tell some dude how he's not actually straight, despite his constant affirmations to the contrary! lol

[jamiethewild]

I've seen you do that exact moronic pigeon holing on some of those 'am I gay?' threads...

You'll confidently tell some dude how he's not actually straight, despite his constant affirmations to the contrary! lol

Your another moron that is just as hypocrite as anybody else here so STFU...

[loveboof]

Your another moron that is just as hypocrite as anybody else here so STFU...

"You're another moron who is just as hypocritical as everybody else here, so STFU"

;)

[jamiethewild]

"You're another moron who is just as hypocritical as everyone else here, so STFU"

;)

I thought ppl are allowed to write the way sounds better for them :)
Yuuu Knuww you everybody got style yuuu knuuuw:dead-1:

HYPO- CRIATE

[loveboof]

I thought ppl are allowed to write the way sounds better for them :)
Yuuu Knuww you everybody got style yuuu knuuuw:dead-1:

HYPO- CRIATE

I'm just trying to help with your future job prospects. Apparently you're looking to branch out from spreading your legs...

Of course you are free to communicate in any manner which makes you most comfortable, but you need to realise that at the moment you write like a semi-illiterate child with learning difficulties. :geek:

[jamiethewild]

I'm just trying to facilitate with your future job prospects. Apparently you're looking to branch out from spreading your legs...

Of course you are free to communicate in any manner which makes you most comfortable, but you need to realise that at the moment you write like an illiterate child with learning difficulties. :geek:

:dancing:
sur wat eva yu sai:dead-1:

HYPU_CRYt

[MrsKellyPierce]

I just like the feel of pussy and big tits...that's all..thanks

I don't respond to Bella..cause her causes are usually for attention..

Though I do like Bella in small doses.

[BellaBellucci]

This isn't really a debate about bisexuality as much as it has to do with idioculture and defense of false identity. If someone doesn't claim to be something that they're not, then they can't steal the benefits that come with acceptance.

Claiming that you're bisexual because you WILL be with another person of the same sex in order to please your partner is not much different from CDs and TVs attempting to claim transsexuality, as I've mentioned. Interestingly, the people making the claims that they are something that they're not will quickly revert to an argument against the entire idea of labeling as soon as they're found out, and yet, we're just supposed to take everyone at face value. To that, I say no. Today's social mandate is anything goes. I try not to discriminate, but I am discerning, as we all should be.

Self-labeling just doesn't work. Anybody can claim to be anything, and they do. I can claim to be a defector to Iran, but that doesn't mean that I'm not still a CIA asset, for instance. The LGBT community is an excellent case-study in my theory. We can't agree on anything usually, not even terms, because so many people are insincere and trying to redefine certain concepts for their own personal benefit and no other reason.

Either way, you're the bad guy when you call somebody out on bullshit. That's called 'cognitive dissonance,' but it's OK for me. I'm a bitch who just don't give a fuck about your self-delusions and your entitlement complex. I live my life in complete honesty and I earn my place in social circles with sincerity and consistency. I don't just slap on a badge that says, 'Hi, my name is Bisexual' and expect everybody to see me in a way in which I don't even see myself.

It's scary for many, but natural for me. Damn though, people! Stop trying to be something that you're not! :lol:

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

I do it cause it pleases me..I like the feel of it and like big tits..

I just feel comfortable with a male being there..just like it makes me feel weird when I'm with a guy that has a smaller dick than me.

It's for comfort..

[loveboof]

:dancing:
sur wat eva yu sai:dead-1:

While we're here, 'eat my nauseous vomit' doesn't really make a lot of sense... I'm sure you think it sounds cool, but it's completely unnecessary.

Anyway, just gimme a shout if you want any help with cover letters (etc)... :p

[BellaBellucci]

I thought ppl are allowed to write the way sounds better for them :)

Case-in-point.

~BB~

[jamiethewild]

While we're here, 'eat my nauseous vomit' doesn't really make a lot of sense... I'm sure you think it sounds cool, but it's completely unnecessary.

Anyway, just gimme a shout if you want any help with cover letters (etc)... :p

sur wat eva yu sai.... ill give you a shot 4 latters.... MIIGA HYPUUCRaTE

[BellaBellucci]

I do it cause it pleases me..I like the feel of it and like big tits..

I just feel comfortable with a male being there..just like it makes me feel weird when I'm with a guy that has a smaller dick than me.

It's for comfort..

Comfort? So otherwise, you find being with a woman uncomfortable? I mean, you can do whatever you want, but I'm asking you as a truly bisexual person to stop claiming that you are too. You're feeding into stereotypes.

~BB~

[loveboof]

sur wat eva yu sai.... ill give you a shot 4 latters.... MIIGA HYPUUCRaTE

Yes, we're making progress! Maybe next time you could start with:

I would like to apply for the position of cleaning lady because I have extensive experience cleaning strangers cum off my thighs. In addition to this I become nauseous when I vomit, so I like to avoid offensive smells and stains.

Something along those lines would be much more appropriate!

[BellaBellucci]

Yes, we're making progress! Maybe next time you could start with:

I would like to apply for the position of cleaning lady because I have extensive experience cleaning strangers cum off my thighs. In addition to this I become nauseous when I vomit, so I like to avoid offensive smells and stains.

Something along those lines would be much more appropriate!

Wooooow!!! You just channeled ND there. Literal lulz! :lol:

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

Comfort? So otherwise, you find being with a woman uncomfortable? I mean, you can do whatever you want, but I'm asking you as a truly bisexual person to stop claiming that you are too. You're feeding into stereotypes.

~BB~No I just think I'm not comfortable playing the dominate role with a woman as I am with a man.

So I guess in my case, like many men do to transsexuals, I fetishize women...

Every once in awhile...I like it :)

So call me a female chaser

[acouplenyc]

can we classify sexuality as true? is anyone a true bisexual, heterosexual, homosexual? i doubt it. there are varying degrees of sexuality and thank god there are.

[BellaBellucci]

No I just think I'm not comfortable playing the dominate role with a woman as I am with a man.

That's an interesting perspective. I'd like to know more. I thought you were a bottom in your personal life.

On the rare occasion that I take the 'dominant' role, I'm the opposite way - never with men, and only really due to the biological convenience of being with a female.

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

That's an interesting perspective. I'd like to know more. I thought you were a bottom in your personal life.

On the rare occasion that I take the 'dominant' role, I'm the opposite way - never with men, and only really due to the biological convenience of being with a female.

~BB~I'm a bottom with my husband, but keep in mind I never had a man want to fuck me in my ass. They always wanted me to do the fucking. Including boyfriends lol

So I never got the chance to be a bottom, so when my husband said he was a top, I was like mmmhmmm heard that before. So when he actually was it took me some time to learn and muster being a bottom. But I love both equally as long as I'm coming.

But playing a dominate with a woman I guess at times makes me feel manly. Like sometimes after I cum in a woman, I must get the same feeling a man does when he cums has sex with a transsexual. GUILT lol

But if a man is there I always feel sexy and ready

[BellaBellucci]

can we classify sexuality as true? is anyone a true bisexual, heterosexual, homosexual? i doubt it. there are varying degrees of sexuality and thank god there are.

Yes, but the two poles, hetero and homo, and the middle is bisexual. These labels are reserved for those who are closest to those places on the spectrum. By your logic, anybody who plays with a transsexual should claim the label bisexual, and that's rarely the case. Having experiences that are outside these labels from time to time doesn't move your identity along the spectrum either, just your range of activities. Having conditions about that flexibility, again, is an indicator that claiming or accepting a label as a master status is inappropriate.

In Kelly's case, she doesn't seek females. She's just open to them. Therefore, she's not bisexual. If one insists on a label, hetero-flexible might work for both Kelly and trans-attracted men.

~BB~

[jamiethewild]

Yes, we're making progress! Maybe next time you could start with:

I would like to apply for the position of cleaning lady because I have extensive experience cleaning strangers cum off my thighs. In addition to this I become nauseous when I vomit, so I like to avoid offensive smells and stains.

Something along those lines would be much more appropriate!

:dead-1: sur wat eva yu sai howwwwnnyy buwwwnyyyy..... YUUU KNUUUW YUU arse A HYPOCRATTT dant deny it .....

[BellaBellucci]

I'm a bottom with my husband, but keep in mind I never had a man want to fuck me in my ass. They always wanted me to do the fucking. Including boyfriends lol

So I never got the chance to be a bottom, so when my husband said he was a top, I was like mmmhmmm heard that before. So when he actually was it took me some time to learn and muster being a bottom. But I love both equally as long as I'm coming.

But playing a dominate with a woman I guess at times makes me feel manly. Like sometimes after I cum in a woman, I must get the same feeling a man does when he cums has sex with a transsexual. GUILT lol

But if a man is there I always feel sexy and ready

I can understand that. I can also understand about guys who claim to be tops. I just assume every man is a bottom until they prove otherwise now. Most guys who want to be with transsexuals just want dick that makes them feel less... to use your word... guilty. I'm a kinky bitch and I like to be taken. If a man can't handle that, there's the door. If I'm going to 'top,' (and with a woman, it's usually more of a side-by-side thing), as well as reap the benefits of increased emotional range, I'll be with a woman. :lol:

#bisexualftw

~BB~

[acouplenyc]

No I just think I'm not comfortable playing the dominate role with a woman as I am with a man.

So I guess in my case, like many men do to transsexuals, I fetishize women...

Every once in awhile...I like it :)

So call me a female chaser

i think tranny chasers is the most demeaning phrase ever invented. and it's not demeaning for the men, mind you. it's demeaning for trans women. it's like they have decided that men will only be interested in them for sex and that's it. it sets up a nasty cycle that no one can escape from. look, there are assholes of every sex and sexuality. they are called whores, sluts, players, etc.

[MrsKellyPierce]

I can understand that. I can also understand about guys who claim to be tops. I just assume every man is a bottom until they prove otherwise now. Most guys who want to be with transsexuals just want dick that makes them feel less... to use your word... guilty. I'm a kinky bitch and I like to be taken. If a man can't handle that, there's the door. If I'm going to 'top,' (and with a woman, it's usually more of a side-by-side thing), as well as reap the benefits of increased emotional range, I'll be with a woman. :lol:

#bisexualftw

~BB~Yep, that's how it should be! Most men I probably wouldn't bottom for even if I was single, cause they wouldn't be dominate enough lol

[BellaBellucci]

it's demeaning for trans women. it's like they have decided that men will only be interested in them for sex and that's it.

It's not demeaning. It's just that we are the sum of our experiences.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

cause they wouldn't be dominate enough lol

And therein lies a sad side effect of feminism. Strong women should have created stronger men, but instead it broke them of their ability to be dominant in acceptable ways. Most of them have become weaker than women IMO, and it's because that's what they believe is expected of them.

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

i think tranny chasers is the most demeaning phrase ever invented. and it's not demeaning for the men, mind you. it's demeaning for trans women. it's like they have decided that men will only be interested in them for sex and that's it. it sets up a nasty cycle that no one can escape from. look, there are assholes of every sex and sexuality. they are called whores, sluts, players, etc.
I don't use the word..I call them dogs or playas or douchebags lol

I was mostly using "female chaser" as satire.

[acouplenyc]

Yes, but the two poles, hetero and homo, and the middle is bisexual. These labels are reserved for those who are closest to those places on the spectrum. By your logic, anybody who plays with a transsexual should claim the label bisexual, and that's rarely the case. Having experiences that are outside these labels from time to time doesn't move your identity along the spectrum either, just your range of activities. Having conditions about that flexibility, again, is an indicator that claiming or accepting a label as a master status is inappropriate.

In Kelly's case, she doesn't seek females. She's just open to them. Therefore, she's not bisexual. If one insists on a label, hetero-flexible might work for both Kelly and trans-attracted men.

~BB~

in relation to someone playing with a transsexual and claiming bisexuality, absolutely not. people are curious. but if we enjoy something and are open to and/or seek it on different occasions, who's to claim master status? are you saying a person can claim a perfect 5 on a 1-10 scale? completely disagree. a person could be a perfect 5, but to claim it would be disingenuous. there's a great quote: "if you meet the buddha on the road, kill him." basically, if anyone claims absolute knowledge in anything, we are best as people to run as fast and as far away as possible.

[BellaBellucci]

in relation to someone playing with a transsexual and claiming bisexuality, absolutely not. people are curious. but if we enjoy something and are open to and/or seek it on different occasions, who's to claim master status? are you saying a person can claim a perfect 5 on a 1-10 scale? completely disagree. a person could be a perfect 5, but to claim it would be disingenuous. there's a great quote: "if you meet the buddha on the road, kill him." basically, if anyone claims absolute knowledge in anything, we are best as people to run as fast and as far away as possible.

I'm saying that bisexual range might be 5-7, but it's certainly not 2 or 9.

~BB~

[acouplenyc]

It's not demeaning. It's just that we are the sum of our experiences.

~BB~

agree we are the sum of our experiences. and by we, all of us. the point is that labeling your potential partners as fetishists instead of douchebags or players...it opens up a whole pandora's box of doubt for all involved. so, yes, it is demeaning for transwomen.

[acouplenyc]

I'm saying that bisexual range might be 5-7, but it's certainly not 2 or 9.

~BB~

can we agree on 4-7?

[BellaBellucci]

agree we are the sum of our experiences. and by we, all of us. the point is that labeling your potential partners as fetishists instead of douchebags or players...it opens up a whole pandora's box of doubt for all involved. so, yes, it is demeaning for transwomen.

When 99% of the men you meet are fetishists, douchebags, and players, the pandora's box is dedicating yourself to finding the 1% and not giving the 99% more credit than they deserve simply because you lack the fortitude to find the right person for you, instead of accepting those who are offering themselves who fail to meet your standards.


can we agree on 4-7?

The numbers are irrelevant. I'm simply saying that an occasional homosexual experience does not make you bisexual.

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

And a CouplyNYC, even though I have dated men for long term. I would still consider some on the "chaser" side. Because I am still friends with them, but almost all of them are back with women and doing it on the down low.

They all said it was different dating me, than it would be dating other transsexuals. I'm not saying I'm better, I'm just quoting what most of them said. When I asked them why did they feel committing to me for years and introducing me to their families was normal and okay while we were together, but after me they went back to how they were? I guess I was hoping I helped them come to terms with their attraction, but they only came to terms because they felt comfortable with me.

[acouplenyc]

And a CouplyNYC, even though I have dated men for long term. I would still consider some on the "chaser" side. Because I am still friends with them, but almost all of them are back with women and doing it on the down low.

They all said it was different dating me, than it would be dating other transsexuals. I'm not saying I'm better, I'm just quoting what most of them said. When I asked them why did they feel committing to me for years and introducing me to their families was normal and okay while we were together, but after me they went back to how they were? I guess I was hoping I helped them come to terms with their attraction, but they only came to terms because they felt comfortable with me.

but if it's their attraction, doesn't it make it their sexuality. it's more of an issue with fear, perhaps. maybe call them fearful little wimps?

[BellaBellucci]

They all said it was different dating me, than it would be dating other transsexuals. I'm not saying I'm better, I'm just quoting what most of them said. When I asked them why did they feel committing to me for years and introducing me to their families was normal and okay while we were together, but after me they went back to how they were? I guess I was hoping I helped them come to terms with their attraction, but they only came to terms because they felt comfortable with me.

I just went through this with someone. Those of us who can have the most open, honest, and intense relationships, i.e. those of us who can give some of these men what they really want by helping them cope with their feelings without judgment, are the ones who get hurt the most. :(

~BB~

[acouplenyc]

I just went through this with someone. Those of us who can have the most open, honest, and intense relationships, i.e. those of us who can give some of these men what they really want by helping them cope with their feelings without judgment, are the ones who get hurt the most. :(

~BB~

so sorry to hear that. :/

[MrsKellyPierce]

I just went through this with someone. Those of us who can have the most open, honest, and intense relationships, i.e. those of us who can give some of these men what they really want by helping them cope with their feelings without judgment, are the ones who get hurt the most. :(

~BB~
Exactly!

[MrsKellyPierce]

but if it's their attraction, doesn't it make it their sexuality. it's more of an issue with fear, perhaps. maybe call them fearful little wimps?
Well yes, but I thought after me, they would be able to be open about their attraction for both.

But now their families think it was just a fluke or phase.

[BellaBellucci]

Well yes, but I thought after me, they would be able to be open about their attraction for both.

But now their families think it was just a fluke or phase.

OK, so what are we doing wrong? :lol:

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

OK, so what are we doing wrong? :lol:

~BB~
I have no clue! But some of the mothers have to be relieved haha

[BellaBellucci]

I have no clue! But some of the mothers have to be relieved haha

My ex's mother didn't know. He knew he was in trouble as soon as she and I started bonding. :lol:

~BB~

[MrsKellyPierce]

My ex's mother didn't know. He knew he was in trouble as soon as she and I started bonding. :lol:

~BB~Do you still talk to her? I talk to two of mine.

[acouplenyc]

My ex's mother didn't know. He knew he was in trouble as soon as she and I started bonding. :lol:

~BB~

that's beautiful! hahaha! :)

[BellaBellucci]

Do you still talk to her? I talk to two of mine.

Nope. It's complicated. Good for you, though. :)

~BB~