20 kids were killed today.... so was the NRA

[flabbybody]

I'm trying to deal with this tragedy today, as we all are.
As Gov Malloy addresses the citizens of Connecticut and the rest of our nation I grieve knowing that this deranged scumbag who murdered these kids had 3 guns. How did he get them ? It's as easy to buy these things as to buy a flat screen TV.

NRA. You are dead. You no longer have a political base.
Fuck you and die

[flabbybody]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association

NRA. You are done

[robertlouis]

Adam Gopnik in the New Yorker today.

Newtown and the Madness of Guns
Posted by Adam Gopnik

CT-shooting.jpg

After the mass gun murders at Virginia Tech, I wrote about the unfathomable image of cell phones ringing in the pockets of the dead kids, and of the parents trying desperately to reach them. And I said (as did many others), This will go on, if no one stops it, in this manner and to this degree in this country alone—alone among all the industrialized, wealthy, and so-called civilized countries in the world. There would be another, for certain.

Then there were—many more, in fact—and when the latest and worst one happened, in Aurora, I (and many others) said, this time in a tone of despair, that nothing had changed. And I (and many others) predicted that it would happen again, soon. And that once again, the same twisted voices would say, Oh, this had nothing to do with gun laws or the misuse of the Second Amendment or anything except some singular madman, of whom America for some reason seems to have a particularly dense sample.

And now it has happened again, bang, like clockwork, one might say: Twenty dead children—babies, really—in a kindergarten in a prosperous town in Connecticut. And a mother screaming. And twenty families told that their grade-schooler had died. After the Aurora killings, I did a few debates with advocates for the child-killing lobby—sorry, the gun lobby—and, without exception and with a mad vehemence, they told the same old lies: it doesn’t happen here more often than elsewhere (yes, it does); more people are protected by guns than killed by them (no, they aren’t—that’s a flat-out fabrication); guns don’t kill people, people do; and all the other perverted lies that people who can only be called knowing accessories to murder continue to repeat, people who are in their own way every bit as twisted and crazy as the killers whom they defend. (That they are often the same people who pretend outrage at the loss of a single embryo only makes the craziness still crazier.)

So let’s state the plain facts one more time, so that they can’t be mistaken: Gun massacres have happened many times in many countries, and in every other country, gun laws have been tightened to reflect the tragedy and the tragic knowledge of its citizens afterward. In every other country, gun massacres have subsequently become rare. In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity, and they happen with hideous regularity because guns are hideously and regularly available.

The people who fight and lobby and legislate to make guns regularly available are complicit in the murder of those children. They have made a clear moral choice: that the comfort and emotional reassurance they take from the possession of guns, placed in the balance even against the routine murder of innocent children, is of supreme value. Whatever satisfaction gun owners take from their guns—we know for certain that there is no prudential value in them—is more important than children’s lives. Give them credit: life is making moral choices, and that’s a moral choice, clearly made.

All of that is a truth, plain and simple, and recognized throughout the world. At some point, this truth may become so bloody obvious that we will know it, too. Meanwhile, congratulate yourself on living in the child-gun-massacre capital of the known universe.

[top4bigbutt]

when this shit is gonna stop, 20 kids...I have 3 on my own, it is so fucked up
I actually was fired from my job a while ago because I speak loud about some asshole coworker, the motherfucker own guns and even my stupid ex boss is affraid of him When we are going to take the matter seriously, this is the only country in the world that has shit like this '
We are so fucked up
God bless those kids and their families

[beandip]

"when this shit is gonna stop,"?

As soon as the legal drug pushers stop drugging the kids. Not a moment sooner.

[beandip]

All of that is a truth, plain and simple, and recognized throughout the world. At some point, this truth may become so bloody obvious that we will know it, too. Meanwhile, congratulate yourself on living in the child-gun-massacre capital of the known universe.

It's not the truth. There are many more countries where many more children are killed by firearms than in the US.

[559alphadog]

Its sad but truth is this is an everyday thing in many countrys. Hati, somalia, burma, take ur pic, and taking our right to arms will not help. If evil wants to be seen it will be seen .

[beandip]

How did he get them? His mother, the school teacher purchased them legally. Can't you read?

[beandip]

..Brazil, Guatamala, El Salvador, Viet Nam....most of Africa....

Looky here....

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/several-people-set-on-fire-during-attempted-robbery-in-north-denver

Time to ban Black people....er......lighter fluid.....or....ummmmm, matches.

Sheeeeeesh. Can't government do anything ? (asks the statist assholes).

[trish]

How did he get them? His mother, the school teacher purchased them legally. Can't you read?

Time to make them illegal then.

[95racer]

A mad man on a suicide mission kills innocent children and adults. How did this happen? It was illegal to take guns in the school.

[Ben]

Mexico Proves Strict Gun Laws Won’t Prevent Massacres:

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/mexico-proves-strict-gun-laws-won%E2%80%99t-prevent-massacres/

[Ben]

Gun Regulation: U.S Gun Homicides vs. Japan:

Gun Regulation: U.S Gun Homicides vs. Japan - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvLVX-pMOBw)

[trish]

A mad man on a suicide mission kills innocent children and adults. How did this happen? It was illegal to take guns in the school.It's also illegal to take knives into school, yet in China a man injured 23 school children with a knife. Fortunately no one was killed. If it had been easier for the perp to acquire semi-automatic weapons, there may have been 23 children dead today in China as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/...ack/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/asia/china-knife-attack/index.html)

[Willie Escalade]

Meanwhile, in Las Vegas...

http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/story/Shooting-at-Excalibur/kp2xZkgNY0SuIOtdfUWidg.cspx

[Prospero]

Beandip - clearly a libertarian gun fan - is brave to raise his head above the parapet today in the wake of the massacre of the innocents. I'll applaud him for that. But not for his inhumane and stupid views. I am sure he does speak for a silent majority both here and in the wider public.
The chances of real changes on guns in the US? Virtually nil I'd say.

How many babies gotta die before these imbeciles relinquish their absurd claim on the right to bear arms. A hundred? A thousand?

A well armed militia with toddlers in their sights. Happy Christmas.

And that folks is where I'm heading to in a few hours. Triggerhappyland

[Willie Escalade]

How many babies gotta die before these imbeciles relinquish their absurd claim on the right to bear arms. A hundred? A thousand?

Just one...one of their own, that is.

[LABiM75&StrF51]

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Last time I bought a gun I had to go through a background check and wait 7 days to pick it up.

Last time a criminal wanted a gun, they went to a guy near their home and bought a fully automatic assault weapon same day.

Outlaw guns and crime will go up, not down, once it is perceived potential victims are unarmed.

"Spontaneous" assaults will be worse because attacks will have to happen with knives or blunt objects killing the person slowly or disabling them for life.

No matter how you cut it, the gun is not at fault and this is an emotional rant.

Supporting such Troll speech solves nothing but to feed the Troll.

http://pedant.artoflivin.sk/wp-content/uploads/dont-feed-the-troll.jpg


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[Prospero]

Oh what a mad world we inhabit with such creatures as the previous poster in it. THIS is the level of problem that anyone trying to limit guns has to face. The sheer stupidity and lies and imperviousness to reality that the gun lobby own. And the heartlessness.

Pleased that your child or wife wasn't blown away in the latest attack. Do you feel any sympathy for the victims?

Killing the person slowly or disabling them for life!!! As opposed to having their heads blown off or guts ripped out by an automatic weapon !!!

[Jericho]

..Brazil, Guatamala, El Salvador, Viet Nam....most of Africa....


Hati, somalia, burma

They have worse records than the USA.
Really...That's the best you can come up with?

[trish]

A gun, not a person, killed this child.
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/3101251-74/loughrey-police-state#axzz2F49vfisJ

[trish]

"when this shit is gonna stop,"?

As soon as the legal drug pushers stop drugging the kids. Not a moment sooner.

Where is it written we have to do things sequentially? This is the twenty first century; we can work on both issues in parallel. Pass significant firearm regulation and address the abuse of legal and illegal drugs.

[Silcc69]

This so sad and fucked up

[Prospero]

statistics

[loveboof]

Outlaw guns and crime will go up, not down, once it is perceived potential victims are unarmed.


Are you serious? What a fucking moronic thing to say!

And 'stricter regulations' for guns does not equate to them being outlawed.

[95racer]

A gun, not a person, killed this child.
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/3101251-74/loughrey-police-state#axzz2F49vfisJ


I read the article twice and still don't understand how the gun fired all by itself. Explain please?

[95racer]

Are you serious? What a fucking moronic thing to say!

And 'stricter regulations' for guns does not equate to them being outlawed.


It is a fact, more lawful people able to defend themshelves with firearms crime goes down. Not a moronic thing to say.

[95racer]

[QUOTE=trish;1248590]It's also illegal to take knives into school, yet in China a man injured 23 school children with a knife. Fortunately no one was killed. If it had been easier for the perp to acquire semi-automatic weapons, there may have been 23 children dead today in China as well.



You still haven't explained how this can happen when it was illegal to take a firearm into the school.

[trish]

I read the article twice and still don't understand how the gun fired all by itself. Explain please?Odd, the Pennsylvania State Police are quoted as saying, "This happens all too often where people thing the gun was empty."

Try this experiment if you dare. Buy a 9mm Taurus handgun and put a live round in the chamber and cock. Pointing directly at yourself, tape it to the dash. Now drive on a pot-hole riven road for as long as you dare. Come back and tell us how many miles you drove. If you refuse to do the experiment you concede the point.

[trish]

[QUOTE=trish;1248590]It's also illegal to take knives into school, yet in China a man injured 23 school children with a knife. Fortunately no one was killed. If it had been easier for the perp to acquire semi-automatic weapons, there may have been 23 children dead today in China as well.



You still haven't explained how this can happen when it was illegal to take a firearm into the school. Don't need to. The knife was illegal too, but easier to acquire. The more difficult a particular weapon is to acquire, the less often it will be used in these sorts of crimes. Semi-automatic weapons are designed to kill, yet we sell them like candy on line and at gun shows. Time to stop.

[Jericho]

It is a fact, more lawful people able to defend themshelves with firearms crime goes down. Not a moronic thing to say.


Following that logic...
All those guns keeping people and property safe...Crime should be down to zero, or thereabouts. :shrug

[trish]

It is a fact, more lawful people able to defend themshelves with firearms crime goes down. Not a moronic thing to say.When you find yourself saying, "My ideas aren't moronic," it's time to rethink them.

[Ben]

White House On Newtown School Shooting: Today Not The Day For Gun Control Debate:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/white-house-school-shooting_n_2302251.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

[beandip]

NoozFlash Flabby Brain, the NRA sold out 15+ years ago.

But as long as dummies like you target them than everything is fantastic for gun owners like myself. Thank you for being stoooopid.

NRA is a non player, but then you've been watching too much of the stupid box to formulate any inkling of critical thinking.

Fake left, go right. It's working!

HHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA

Thanks to suckerz like u.

[beandip]

Pin Head Trish, look what happened in FL. when they "changed" the gun laws making it easier to obtain CCW and then introduced / strengthened the Castle Doctrine.

No matter how much utter bullshit you spew the facts are the facts.

[trish]

Facts are facts:

[GroobySteven]

Its sad but truth is this is an everyday thing in many countrys. Hati, somalia, burma, take ur pic, and taking our right to arms will not help. If evil wants to be seen it will be seen .

Statistics please (although perhaps you should start spelling the countries correctly?) - Burma ... ?

It's irrelevant. The US has the highest stats for criminal gun deaths in the West.

[GroobySteven]

It is a fact, more lawful people able to defend themshelves with firearms crime goes down. Not a moronic thing to say.

It's not a fact. It's not a moronic thing to say, you are a moron!
Firearms banned in UK - gun crime (and all crime) goes down. The UK has one of the lowest rates of gun deaths in the West.

[GroobySteven]

This is the first time in 10 years I've seen Flabby mad - and I'm with him. Fuck the NRA and fuck the people who support the prolification and easy ability to buy guns and ammunition. I've just dumped a friend because I can't agree with him on it - it's not just a case of simple politics, it's a case of they don't give a fuck about anyone. As long as they have their guns, it's someone elses fault that a 20 yr old can easily get a hold of a number of guns and as much ammo as he wants and kill innocent people.

If I here one more fucking asshat say, arm the school teachers, put armed security in every school. Or "if you're going to ban guns, you need to ban knives" or, "if you blame for deaths because I all for supporting less gun regularion, then you need to blame me for drunk drivers because I drive a car" (!?!?!) then I'm going to kick them in the nuts (after I check they don't have a gun).

FUCK YOU.

[robertlouis]

NoozFlash Flabby Brain, the NRA sold out 15+ years ago.

But as long as dummies like you target them than everything is fantastic for gun owners like myself. Thank you for being stoooopid.

NRA is a non player, but then you've been watching too much of the stupid box to formulate any inkling of critical thinking.

Fake left, go right. It's working!

HHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA

Thanks to suckerz like u.

This odious creep makes the largely unlamented OMK seem like a beacon of reason.

Your argument focuses on the killer's alleged drug use and the possibility of asperger's/autism. Does it not occur to you that if his mother hadn't kept weapons - assault weapons at that - that the horror would never have occurred? Why in God's name allow such open access to weapons that are not designed for sport but instead are specifically designed to kill people easily and in large numbers? That's where the insanity lies. Licensed weapons for hunting, fine, but draw the line somewhere.

[Willie Escalade]

Damn Seanchai...I can't recall ever seeing you THIS angry. I understand where you're coming from though. SOMETHING needs to be done...

[beandip]

"In fact since the ban there has been absolutely no reduction in the number of homicides from firearms."

In the UK it is almost sacrilege to suggest that the 1997 Hand-Gun ban (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom#1997_Firearms_A ct) was anything less than a triumphant step towards a utopian peace. Over here comedians, pundits, papers and television routinely mock the USA for it’s gun culture; we are more enlightened, more “progressive” is the underlying sentiment. But as anybody with any common sense could easily have concluded long in advance, prohibiting guns does not get rid of them, it only drives them underground. As the cliche goes: If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
On the 2nd of June Derrick Bird (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7798513/Cumbria-shootings-gunman-Derrick-Bird-kills-12-then-shoots-himself.html) (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7798513/Cumbria-shootings-gunman-Derrick-Bird-kills-12-then-shoots-himself.html)embarked on a killing spree (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7798513/Cumbria-shootings-gunman-Derrick-Bird-kills-12-then-shoots-himself.html) that left 12 people dead in his wake. This is comparable to the 17 who died in the tragic Dunblane school massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre) which was the pretext for the hand-gun ban in the first place. Derrick Bird was not deterred from carrying a gun because Derrick Bird was batshit fucking insane. His victims, and the bystanders who saw what happened (fearing lengthy jail terms if caught with a weapon), were unarmed and unable to stop this madman.
In fact since the ban there has been absolutely no reduction in the number of homicides from firearms.
Now let’s forget the facts that the ban has not reduced murders, and let’s forget the obvious truth that you simply cannot legislate guns out of the hands of criminals and let’s talk about what really matters: the individual.
The government makes it impossible for individuals to protect their homes, and their families!
This might sound like hyperbole but that’s probably because you’ve never been targeted by a criminal.
If you are an average sized Male, living on your own, you cannot protect yourself against determined criminals.
Criminals are typically hard bastards, they’re used to fighting, they’re used to carrying weapons and using them, they’re often big and what’s more they’ll kick down your door and steal everything you have if they think they can get away with it. Here’s the crux: what are you going to do to stop them?
Phone the police? All the police can do is arrive after the scene of the robbery. Sure they can take a few details, but the vast majority of crimes are never solved. Maybe they’ll take a fingerprint or two, but if you’ve ever dealt with the boys in blue you’ll know that the chances of anything coming from that are about as remote as Mel Gibson teaching anger management classes.
When the individual property owner (a property owner is somebody who has agreed to live amongst society. He is playing the long game. Working. Producing. Accumulating wealth and becoming known in his community. He is the opposite of the criminal) cannot defend himself against the thug who wants to take by force what he has not earned through toil you have a recipe for a decaying civilisation.
It’s no coincidence that the worst places to live are the inner city ghettos, where the criminals are most likely to carry, and the victims are least able to invest in any kind of decent home security.
It’s also no coincidence that it is always the government who seeks to disarm the law-abiding and productive in favour of the psychopaths; the violent criminals…
They are the same people.
Where the criminal plays the short game, using violence to take what he wants in the moment, the government plays the long game; taking the fruits of your labour pay-cheque to pay-cheque, under the threat of its own guns, which it always finds a way to justify it needs.
Because remember citizen: ethics are not universal; there is one rule for us and another for them.
Why?
BECAUSE WE HAVE THE GUNS, THAT’S WHY!


http://theuklibertarian.com/2010/07/23/hand-guns-should-be-legal-the-ban-punishes-property-owner-and-rewards-vicious-criminals/

[beandip]

"Gun Crime Soars in England by 35% Where Guns Are Banned"


Since NBC sportscaster Bob Costas gave us an anti-gun lecture two weeks ago during Sunday Night Football, we’ve heard a lot from progressives like Juan Williams, Bob Beckel and anti-gun advocacy groups about how countries in Europe with strict gun control laws don’t have problems with gun crime. We’ve also heard the reason the United States has a “gun crime problem” is because we allow citizens to own handguns however, the numbers on violent crime committed using a gun tell a different story.
New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-154307/Gun-crime-soars-35.html)
The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as “truly terrible” by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year.
Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed.
Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362.
It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/gun-crime-soars-in-england-where-guns-are-banned-by-35/




But hey.....never let the goddamned facts get in the way of "feeeeeeelings"..

[beandip]

dammit. Too bad fukken criminals do not obey the law....hugh?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

FUCK YOU BRITS and your "CULTURE of VIOLENCE"

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade


"
Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.
The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.
In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.
In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.
The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.
Last week, police in London revealed they had begun carrying out armed patrols on some streets.
The move means officers armed with sub-machine guns are engaged in routine policing for the first time.

Shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling, said last night: 'In areas dominated by gang culture, we're now seeing guns used to settle scores between rivals as well as turf wars between rival drug dealers.
'We need to redouble our efforts to deal with the challenge.'
He added: 'These figures are all the more alarming given that it is only a week since the Metropolitan Police said it was increasing regular armed patrols in some areas of the capital'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade


By James Slack (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=James+Slack)
UPDATED: 03:42 EST, 27 October 2009

[beandip]

....dammit. More facts. this sucks...hugh?

"
Do Gun Bans Reduce Violent Crime? Ask the Aussies and Brits (http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/07/23/do-gun-bans-reduce-violent-crime-ask-the-aussies-and-brits/)



"

Nothing original to add here, but this posting (http://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/07/mailvox-aussie-logic.html) I picked up from Instapundit is well worth passing along, particularly in light of the typical, knee-jerk, Statist reactions to the horrific Aurora CO shootings:

Actually, if the Australian Bureau of Criminology can be believed (http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847), Americans would be insane to concern themselves with what non-Americans think about American gun rights.
In 2002 — five years after enacting its gun ban — the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
Even Australia’s Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States — where no gun-ban exists — both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America’s rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault — Australia’s equivalent term for rape — increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia’s violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
So, if the USA follows Australia’s lead in banning guns, it should expect a 42 percent increase in violent crime, a higher percentage of murders committed with a gun, and three times more rape. One wonders if Freddy even bothered to look up the relative crime statistics (http://www.kc3.com/news/britt_aussie_crime.htm).
The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime among industrialized nations. Twenty-six percent of English citizens — roughly one-quarter of the population — have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized. The United States didn’t even make the “top 10″ list of industrialized nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.
Now all this statistical and factual information isn’t going to mean anything to Lefty’s and Statists, but it is always good to know that reality backs up the conservative position on gun rights and the 2nd Amendment. "


http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/07/23/do-gun-bans-reduce-violent-crime-ask-the-aussies-and-brits/

[beandip]

Call the cops......

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Call the WAAAAAAMBULANCE too

Well fuck me...seems like cops have no obligation to protect you....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

Even though Wiki is largely funded by the anti-second amendment shit bag soros......

"case that held police do not have a duty to provide police services to individuals, even if a dispatcher promises help to be on the way, except when police develop a special duty to particular individuals."

Well, well, well, the cop on the beat would rather shoot your dog than protect your life. Who knew?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0

"
Domestic Violence
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone









By LINDA GREENHOUSE
Published: June 28, 2005
WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation."

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Ohhhhhh nnnnooooooooooooeeeeeessssss

you mean all you statist leech-fucks might actually have to learn a little bit about personal responsibility?

Go ahead you shit-stains, become victims.

[buttslinger]

Hey beandip, how's the view with your head up your ass, dipshit? ha ha ha

Because the only real law is the law of the jungle is exactly the reason people will finally come together after this massacre and say enough is enough.

Because you can't make sense of this is why you have to make sense of it. If you've ever known a child who was killed senselessly, you know what I'm talking about.

[beandip]

Law of the Jungle. Kill or be killed.

[Stavros]

Law of the Jungle. Kill or be killed.

As with all your other posts your main concern is to make cheap political points about the UK on the basis of a Daily Mail article from 2003, on the basis of out-dated data whose only purpose is to undermine an honest debate about guns and crime. You can happily quote from the Libertarian Because remember citizen: ethics are not universal; there is one rule for us and another for them -precisely in order to demean the decency of people who do shape their lives and actions according to ethics because they have a sure sense of what is right and what is wrong.

You show no sense of compassion for the families left devastated by these shootings; no sense of pride or honour for those staff who gave their lives so that others might live.

This weekend, set polemics aside, and give up some of your precious moments to reflect upon this sorrow, and any positive response we can draw from it.

[yosi]

Plain and simple: The poeple's right to buy guns is more important than the poeple's right to live.

is it?

[95racer]

Odd, the Pennsylvania State Police are quoted as saying, "This happens all too often where people thing the gun was empty."

Try this experiment if you dare. Buy a 9mm Taurus handgun and put a live round in the chamber and cock. Pointing directly at yourself, tape it to the dash. Now drive on a pot-hole riven road for as long as you dare. Come back and tell us how many miles you drove. If you refuse to do the experiment you concede the point.


So you want me to violate one of the most basic rules of safe firearm handling to prove a point. Unfortunately the gun owner didn’t practice these basic rules causing the death of his son and will grieve for years. I would never point the muzzle at anything that I didn’t intend on shooting (basic gun handling rule #2). If you are serious about your experiment it shows the lack of safe gun handling knowledge you have.

I have carried my firearms in C1 (condition 1) for years and have never had any AD (accidental discharge). This includes driving on bumpy roads and in Michigan we have very bumpy roads.

[95racer]

[quote=95racer;1248787] Don't need to. The knife was illegal too, but easier to acquire. The more difficult a particular weapon is to acquire, the less often it will be used in these sorts of crimes. Semi-automatic weapons are designed to kill, yet we sell them like candy on line and at gun shows. Time to stop.


You still haven’t answered the question so I’ll help you out. Criminals don’t care about laws. Only law abiding people do. When the law states you can’t take weapons in the school only law abiding people will conform. This makes schools criminal freedom zones. They have free run and they know it.

[trish]

Oh I do know the basics of gun safety and learned at an early age, that one must always be conscious of where the barrel is point and to never let it pass over any person. Why do you suppose that is taught to every young boy or girl who takes up hunting or sport shooting? The "rule," like you, concedes the danger of accidental discharge.

Too many gun enthusiasts are nonchalant about this danger, from the man in the Mercer County story to the woman who carries her Saturday night special in her purse never knowing quite where it's aimed. To many concealed carry enthusiasts forget about the right of those around them to know the risks their immediate environment might hold.

[trish]

Of course criminals disobey the law. That doesn't mean they don't care about them. They especially despise laws that makes their intended crime harder to commit.

[GroobySteven]

Beandip ... you're quoting the Daily Mail? Hahaha - what a fuckwit - that's like quoting Fox New as fact. Look up the real statistics where in a country, where handguns and assault rifles are banned?

Here's an interesting one from the Washinton Post this year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2012/12/mass-shooting-legally.jpg

USA had 15 of the worst 25!!! Finland came second place, they had 2 of the worst, meaning the other 8 had 1. That says it all.

Beandip - why are you on Hungangels? I don't see one post of yours relating to TS/TV topics? Are you just here to spread vitriol because if that's the case, you can fuck right out of here and find a home elsewhere.

[flabbybody]

Pin Head Trish, look what happened in FL. when they "changed" the gun laws making it easier to obtain CCW and then introduced / strengthened the Castle Doctrine.

No matter how much utter bullshit you spew the facts are the facts.
The logic of your point of view is faulty enough. No need to compound it by insulting people

[muh_muh]

statistics

west germany? how old is that image exactly?

[fred41]

1981...pretty good ad though.

[robertlouis]

This is an ad for the gun that Lanza used to gun down 26 innocent people.

Problems with American masculinity, anyone?

[beandip]

This keeps on getting better and better.


CalSTRS had invested $751.4 million with Cerberus by the end of March 2012, according to its website.

California "teachers" have blood on their hands!!!!!!!!!

Hahahahahahaha scream all you want about the NRA.

Gotta get dem 16%+ rate of returns there to feed all the State leechfucks retirement plans!

http://news.yahoo.com/cerberus-sell-gunmaker-freedom-group-u-school-shooting-062303957--sector.html



and of course, from the Lib-tard corner...



Liberals Call For Murder Of NRA President, Members & Repeal Of Second Amendment


http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/12/libera.... (http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/12/liberals-call-for-murder-of-nra-president-members-repeal-of-second-amendment/#ixzz2FB0I1RW3)



Liberalism, it's a disease. Obviously should be treated with SSRI's.....


oh, wait, it appears that may be the problem here....

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

[trish]

Gun Love is a Disease

[Ben]

Hollywood Reacts to Connecticut School Shooting Tragedy:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/12/hollywood-reacts-to-newtown-tragedy/

[flabbybody]

This is an ad for the gun that Lanza used to gun down 26 innocent people.

Problems with American masculinity, anyone?
what purpose would be served for a civilian to own this ?

[Ben]

What does the Constitution really say about guns?

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/12/jeffrey-toobin-second-amendment.html

[Ben]

Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, the NRA...they all spread their conspiracy theories...

Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, NRA: Their Culture of Fear Creates Tragedy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BHITZlhL8M)

[Wanderer1]

Very sad news, my heart goes out to Americans with regard to this latest tragedy. This, a shooting of children has happened before, in recent years in US. Who remembers? Was it Amish people that were murdered? What a wonderful act of praying that went on after.
As for the latest massacre, a) the guns were legally owned and B) the shooter murdered his own mother to get them.
This .223 weapon sounds like more of the calibre of a target gun rather than an assault rifle like the AK-47 which, I believe uses 7.62 mm rounds. I believe most Americans are responsible people, and hate the anti-gun lobbyists hijacking such events, as they always seem to do. Simplistic reactionaries, they come across to me as.
that's my two cents worth.

[trish]

Actually it's the NRA, the biggest gun lobby in the U.S. that hijacked this event, calling on the Federal government to require municipal governments to assign an armed police officer to patrol every school in country. Ironically the patrons of the NRA are generally against "big government" solutions, fearful of a "big government police state," and against tax increases. So who is going to pay for all the extra man-hours of police presence? Will the police be required to patrol schools after hours when teachers and administrators have meetings, children have practices and events? Apparently any expense, any sacrifice, is better than tightening the sale and regulation of semiautomatic weapons.

[maxpower]

So here's the official NRA response to the Newtown tragedy. Armed guards in all schools in the country, because, "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." A ridiculous, yet totally predictable response, unfortunately. Sorry, Flabby, they're putting up a fight. But maybe that will let more people see how absurd they truly are.


N.R.A. Press Conference: Group Calls for Armed Guards in Schools - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZb8EXUrQTo)

[flabbybody]

The NRA knumbskull blamed violent video games. He advocated banning them but not the assault weapons that actually killed the kids in Conneticut and the people in the Colorado movie theatre. guess government intervention in the market place is OK as long as it doesn't interfere with his precious gun sales.

[flabbybody]

I'm not sure what his beef was with the media? Should the slaughter of 20 children not be covered by cable and local TV news stations? He claims their reporting provokes potential copycats by providing the shooters with the attention they seek..... an argument drenched in the logic of lunacy.
The NRA blames everything in society for gun violence, except the fucking guns.
This guy's presentation (falsely labelled a press conference) was a rambling wreck of tired bullshit from the gun nuts. It was a happy day for folks who hate them.

[talldudeil]

First of all you will never stop it. There are thousands of these gun on the street. You can however make it less likely to happen.

1) Ban assault rifles, those of us who do hunt would never be caught in the woods with a mac9 or AK.
2) Ban large clips
3) Charge $100 per bullet for the guns that are out there. (yes I know some calibers fit other non assault rifles sell them for a decent price but only 10-20 at a time not 500 or 5,000)
4) If they don't kill themselves, bring back burning at the stake (don't even start, his pain would be no less the the parents of those lost or the horror of those that survived, and yes I would lite every match and watch the MF burn to death)
5) Make ownership or possession of a banned gun punishable by the death penalty (and have a 30 day amnesty program prior to the law going into effect)
6) If you just have to blow off stream with a assault rifle I am sure there are many people who would be happy to open a gun range and you could rent the guns and shoot there.

If we really want to do something then do it right the first time, make the punishment fit the crime, make everyone know that if you are found with a banned gun you will die (and in most cases that is what you were planning to use it for, kill someone). This country has become so pansy assed politically correct that it make me sick. Don't want this to happen? Do something that will make people think twice or more before doing something. Don't pass some weak ass law that will go nowhere. I live in the only state that does not allow concealed carry. And we have one of the highest murder rates in the country. Think how it might be if law abiding people could carry concealed, the thugs would think twice before trying a robbery or jacking a car.

GET REAL AMERICA HAVE SOME BALLS

[thombergeron]

This .223 weapon sounds like more of the calibre of a target gun rather than an assault rifle like the AK-47 which, I believe uses 7.62 mm rounds. I believe most Americans are responsible people, and hate the anti-gun lobbyists hijacking such events, as they always seem to do. Simplistic reactionaries, they come across to me as.
that's my two cents worth.

Just so you are aware, for the purposes of our discussion here, .223 Remington is the same cartridge as 5.56x45mm, which is the standard rifle cartridge for the entire NATO alliance. All four branches of the U.S. military have issued 5.56 rifles as their standard rifleman's weapon for almost 50 years. The Candian Army's C7 rifle also fires 5.56. It is capable of penetrating a steel helmet at 500 yards.

Also, in light of at least three mass shootings involving assault rifles over the six months in the U.S., most Americans support banning them. (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/other-races/273955-poll-majority-support-assault-weapons-ban) So, by your definition, 62% of us are "simplistic reactionaries."

[Gillian]

Screw the debate about calibres. Any country that allows its citizens to own automatic assault weapons needs to take a seriously long look at itself.

Every country will, from time to time, have to deal with some nut job who goes on a killing spree. If he or she lives in a country where automatic weapons are readily available, then prepare to reap the whirlwind.

IMHO, the NRA's press conference just makes them and their supporters look like gung ho idiots ... ;)

[trish]

Screw the debate about calibres. Any country that allows its citizens to own automatic assault weapons needs to take a seriously long look at itself.

Every country will, from time to time, have to deal with some nut job who goes on a killing spree. If he or she lives in a country where automatic weapons are readily available, then prepare to reap the whirlwind.

IMHO, the NRA's press conference just makes them and their supporters look like gung ho idiots ... ;)Agree

[martin48]

Agree

More than a teacher in every gun store, more than a president that actually gets off his arse and does something, much much more. Why do you Americans want so many lethal weapons in your homes and cars? I bet nothing will change, the NRA are the most powerful lobbying group in the US and no politician will stand up to them. Sad, sad - but you will keep on killing your kids, your students, etc, etc.

[robertlouis]

More than a teacher in every gun store, more than a president that actually gets off his arse and does something, much much more. Why do you Americans want so many lethal weapons in your homes and cars? I bet nothing will change, the NRA are the most powerful lobbying group in the US and no politician will stand up to them. Sad, sad - but you will keep on killing your kids, your students, etc, etc.

Yes - universal response in the UK to the NRA statement is sheer disbelief.

We, and I suspect the rest of the civilised world too, think that the gun-toting part of your country is mad.

For a party/lobby group that claims to espouse Christian values, it all comes over very Old Testament to me.

The NRA logic of armed guards in every classroom, armed teachers etc surely culminates in giving kids lessons on gun-handling from nursery school onwards.

[flabbybody]

More than a teacher in every gun store, more than a president that actually gets off his arse and does something, much much more. Why do you Americans want so many lethal weapons in your homes and cars? I bet nothing will change, the NRA are the most powerful lobbying group in the US and no politician will stand up to them. Sad, sad - but you will keep on killing your kids, your students, etc, etc.
America is too diverse and complicated to make sweeping statements about our values. Fact is, most folks from New York, New Jersey, and Conneticut feel the NRA are lunatics.
I can't speak for people from places like Texas and the deep south. Those cretans wanted to succeed from the USA when Obama was reelected. Most of us would not object.

[notdrunk]

Screw the debate about calibres. Any country that allows its citizens to own automatic assault weapons needs to take a seriously long look at itself.

Every country will, from time to time, have to deal with some nut job who goes on a killing spree. If he or she lives in a country where automatic weapons are readily available, then prepare to reap the whirlwind.

IMHO, the NRA's press conference just makes them and their supporters look like gung ho idiots ... ;)

Automatic assault weapons aren't readily available in the states. :confused:

[buttslinger]

I can't speak for people from places like .....the deep south.

My Mom grew up in the deep south on a farm during the depression. Every kid had a gun, every kid had a pony. The only trouble they ever had involving guns was whem my mom and uncle would use up all grandaddy's ammo. They had common sense.

I had one close friend get killed hunting, and another close friend had his daughter murdered at work by a disgruntled worker who went on a shooting spree just after Christmas in Massachusetts.

Abortion and guns are the two hot-button topics in the US, just mention it at the Christmas party and watch the fireworks. I can see MANY good points from the pro-gun pro-life stance.

If Obama can't tighten up these sloppy gun laws now, he never will. I think he will, and really, that's all you can realistically do. Pass some Laws.

[Ben]

Bill Hicks on Gun Control - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3WMx1blONU)

George Carlin on the NRA - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPDuYXGAuBw)

[beatlephil]

:)
America is too diverse and complicated to make sweeping statements about our values. Fact is, most folks from New York, New Jersey, and Conneticut feel the NRA are lunatics.
I can't speak for people from places like Texas and the deep south. Those cretans wanted to succeed from the USA when Obama was reelected. Most of us would not object.
I'm a native-born Texan and since all you people in the ultra-liberal Northeast, the far-left coast, and the bankrupt urban centers in the midwest believe us to be dangerously armed lunatics why don't you just repeal the 2nd Amendment and then you can legally take everyone's guns away. All you have to do is introduce a Constitutional amendment in Congress, get 2/3 vote in both the House and the Senate, and then have it ratified by 3/4 of the states and you'll have your dream come true--a completely disarmed America. Of course, you won't mind if we fight you every inch of the way. And I'm certain I speak for tens of millions of legal guns owners when I say you'll take my guns only from my cold dead hand! PS: the successionist movement is no joke!

[trish]

the successionist movement is no joke!Wear your flag pin when you say that.

[robertlouis]

:)
PS: the successionist movement is no joke!

It is if you can't spell it. :loser:

It's "secessionist".

[Willie Escalade]

Why do folks keep thinking people want ALL guns banned? That's idiocy.

And if Texas wants to leave, peace out...but don't expect peace when the superior armed forces of the USA invades the Republic of Texas and colonizes it...:whistle:

[Wanderer1]

I'm trying to deal with this tragedy today, as we all are.
As Gov Malloy addresses the citizens of Connecticut and the rest of our nation I grieve knowing that this deranged scumbag who murdered these kids had 3 guns. How did he get them ? It's as easy to buy these things as to buy a flat screen TV.

NRA. You are dead. You no longer have a political base.
Fuck you and die

Legal owner, murdered, that's how the guns were obtained, this is common fact.NRA dead, ha ha, you wish. People, not guns kill people. Firearms don't just jump up by themselves and go on a rampage!

[fred41]

Why do folks keep thinking people want ALL guns banned? That's idiocy.


To be fair...I'd be willing to bet that there are indeed people that would like all guns banned. Why would you , or other members on this site who have claimed the same thing, think that there aren't?

BTW...wanting only P.D.s or military to have them is pretty much considered a gun ban as I see it.

[Ben]

NRA Spits on Graves of Newtown Victims - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to1N95cvOfw)

[buttslinger]

I hope the Dems write up something quick, the American Public has a memory like a Goldfish.

[flabbybody]

:)
I'm a native-born Texan and since all you people in the ultra-liberal Northeast, the far-left coast, and the bankrupt urban centers in the midwest believe us to be dangerously armed lunatics why don't you just repeal the 2nd Amendment and then you can legally take everyone's guns away. All you have to do is introduce a Constitutional amendment in Congress, get 2/3 vote in both the House and the Senate, and then have it ratified by 3/4 of the states and you'll have your dream come true--a completely disarmed America. Of course, you won't mind if we fight you every inch of the way. And I'm certain I speak for tens of millions of legal guns owners when I say you'll take my guns only from my cold dead hand! PS: the successionist movement is no joke!
I apologize for my anti-Texas remark.
But to distort what the majority of Americans are in favor of, a reasonable approach to eliminate the legal sale of automatic, high capacity weapons, you weaken your chance to stop what will be the inevitable victory of gun control legislation.
The more pro gun folks try to stop ANY ban, the better the chance more kinds of guns will be included in anti-gun laws. That's why I cheer the voice of the NRA. He makes the case for doing nothing totally unacceptable.
If people on your side of the debate participate in the discussion you won't lose all your guns, just the worst kinds.

[flabbybody]

To be fair...I'd be willing to bet that there are indeed people that would like all guns banned. Why would you , or other members on this site who have claimed the same thing, think that there aren't?

BTW...wanting only P.D.s or military to have them is pretty much considered a gun ban as I see it.
I plead guilty. I hate all guns. I believe they should be limited to law enforcement and military use.
I don't believe a person trained in accountancy or welding is safer in his home with a gun. He's more likely to accidentally shoot his wife or teenaged daughter in a drunk induced domestic argument than accurately using it against an intruder in his home. Ask NYPD how many law abiding civilians successfully killed bad guys last year robbing their homes or stores versus the number of people shot by loved ones in domestic violence disputes with legally registered guns. Hint: it aint even close.
Oh, you say you're hunter. You dig killing defenceless bears and deer..... It makes you feel like a man?
Go join a rodeo. take up bowling, or kick boxing. Leave Bambi alone. What she ever do to you?

[trish]

When young, I used to go hunting with my Dad. We harvested our share of deer, pheasant and rabbit. Though we ate venison steak and rabbit stew we didn't need to feed ourselves by hunting. Our "need" for hunting rifles was relative to our (mostly my Dad's) desire to participate and enjoy the sport of hunting. The née for sport weapons is only relative to a desire to practice a sport. If you aren't a professional soldier or officer of the law there is no absolute need to own a gun, certainly no need to carry one, and there is never a need to carry one secretly (concealed).

Anyone who live in farm country will be aware of the incredible damage deer can do to crops such as corn. One of the ideas behind sport hunting is to keep populations of "pests" in check. I think this is a legitimate argument and will count hunting as an economic "need". But using semiautomatic weapons on game is slaughter, not sport.

The second amendment assures you of the right to own a musket, provided you're willing to donate it and yourself to military service when required. The amendment leaves all else up for negotiation. We got rid of the draft, we can get rid of semiautomatic weapons (with exceptions for the military and law enforcement).

[fred41]

I have a 9mm that almost always stays locked up - only carry it when the need arises. It's useless and unnecessary for home protection because my small apartment is adequately secured and in the unlikely event of home evasion while occupied...a hammer at hand (for example) would be a more convenient weapon to use in the given space...(also safer...given use of alcohol and MJ when relaxing in my domicile).
I also used to own a pump action shotgun to protect a small cabin I had owned in the deep woods - the area had large bear population (God... I really, really miss that place).
I could never hunt...I wouldn't be able to pull the trigger for sport. It's just not something I could personally do (besides - I don't like venison at all)...but I can understand the necessity...some of which were listed by Trish.

Often, but not always...people that are against "all" firearms live in a city...or a fairly safe community - where police might be 5 min.away. But this is still a large country with remote tracts of land where the only protection is oneself...and there are also remote areas where the population will never be described as "quaint". I believe people have a reasonable right to protect themselves and their property. I guess we all probably differ on the definition of reasonable though.

But I do feel the military type assault rifles that we so often see in the news are totally unnecessary.They are what I would term - overkill. I'm sure they might be fun to fire...and I certainly understand the "cool" factor by weapon enthusiasts...(like owning an overpriced muscle car whose speed I could never use in N.Y.C....or a big Harley....I get it), but those aren't good reasons to keep them legal and in the hands of the general public. That's just my opinion.

I think the government will probably come up with some type of bill to make them illegal...but it probably won't be retroactive.

[buttslinger]

apologize for my anti-Texas remark.

Go skins!!

I saw an AR-15 assault rifle toy on sale at Wal-mart today. A b-b gun for kids with matching automatic pistol, $29.95

Every kid grows up watching army movies, before video games there was Sgt. York, and Fort Apache, the Alamo, American History, We do not have the luxury of knowing what an America with no legal guns looks like, and we never will.

There are mental institutions, and there are prisons, and there are schools. But drunkeness and stupidity are 100% legal and all-american.
There are no guns in Monastaries, no rock music, no fucking, no sports cars.

Twenty six year old kids IS NOT acceptable losses for the right to carry a gun. Something needs to be done, as a step.

Just like cigarettes, you can start taxing the semi-automatics, and sniper rifles, and ammo. A .22 is fine for target shooting, and you don't need a 30-round clip to kill a fox in the henhouse.

[Ben]

Celebrities Call for Gun Control Plan - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgUhOM1E_8c)