Turned off by girls topping?

[GrimFusion]

I am. I know there's a big difference between topping because it pays well and actually getting into it, but nothing's more of a boner kill for me than finding a new gorgeous girl in a pic set, checking out a few videos and finding out she's topping guys in more than half of them. What's worse is when she's looking the other direction or doing the whole scene with her eyes closed and I can tell she's definitively not into it. I don't think it's necessarily a sense of empathy I feel, but I certainly can't fap to it. There's no such thing as strictly anything; sometimes a dude should be a little versatile if requested, but when it's quite often; no thanks.

To each their own. This isn't any sort of insult against guys who like to bottom or the chicks who serve 'em up. Just a personal observation and I was wondering how many other guys felt the same way.

[Dino Velvet]

I get a little like Jack Bauer sometimes when the new shiny penny is the one who does the topping.

http://cdn2.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/jack-bauer-24-2.jpg
"DAMMIT!!!"

[youngblood61]

I am. I know there's a big difference between topping because it pays well and actually getting into it, but nothing's more of a boner kill for me than finding a new gorgeous girl in a pic set, checking out a few videos and finding out she's topping guys in more than half of them. What's worse is when she's looking the other direction or doing the whole scene with her eyes closed and I can tell she's definitively not into it. I don't think it's necessarily a sense of empathy I feel, but I certainly can't fap to it. There's no such thing as strictly anything; sometimes a dude should be a little versatile if requested, but when it's quite often; no thanks.

To each their own. This isn't any sort of insult against guys who like to bottom or the chicks who serve 'em up. Just a personal observation and I was wondering how many other guys felt the same way.I feel the same Grim not a big fan girls topping guy's.:)

[danthepoetman]

How I agree with this, Grim! This seems all inspired by the Holy Ghost to me!
Yet are we sure we want to say this? Recently, just the mention of it gave me a bit of trouble in another thread…
Personally, I am a top only (I won’t say “hetero”), t-women are women to me, and every time I see one toping it’s a total turn off. Every time I rent or buy a dvd and it is filled with girls toping, I feel frustrated (especially when the pictures on the back are not telling enough).
Like you, I respect every body and every possible practices and tastes. But for my part, I couldn’t agree more with you.

[oifarang]

I am. I know there's a big difference between topping because it pays well and actually getting into it, but nothing's more of a boner kill for me than finding a new gorgeous girl in a pic set, checking out a few videos and finding out she's topping guys in more than half of them. What's worse is when she's looking the other direction or doing the whole scene with her eyes closed and I can tell she's definitively not into it. I don't think it's necessarily a sense of empathy I feel, but I certainly can't fap to it. There's no such thing as strictly anything; sometimes a dude should be a little versatile if requested, but when it's quite often; no thanks.

To each their own. This isn't any sort of insult against guys who like to bottom or the chicks who serve 'em up. Just a personal observation and I was wondering how many other guys felt the same way.

Try letting go and enjoying yourself

You obviously are having problems with your sexuality.

I'ts just sex for fucks sake!

Top / Bottom lol fuck sake how Gay !!

[joeym75ld]

I hate seeing gurls fucking guys. Total turn off.

But I love, Love, LOVE watching a tranny fuck a GG. So hot. Especially love seeing a big dicked tranny stretching out a hot GG pussy.

[betts]

Yes. It doesn't do anything for me.

[Dino Velvet]

My Asshole's Just For Shitting - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2GV2E5WHZM)

[GrimFusion]

I'm not scared of a little conflict. Everybody's entitled to their own opinions as far as I'm concerned. Even me. If anybody wants to come in here and put me on grill for being "close-minded", let 'em. I've had that discussion before and it's usually not that big a deal.

I've noticed that "public opinion" drastically changes from thread-to-thread. Where as in one thread you may find nothing but support for your view, in another you can be chastised for it.

[youngblood61]

I'm not scared of a little conflict. Everybody's entitled to their own opinions as far as I'm concerned. Even me. If anybody wants to come in here and put me on grill for being "close-minded", let 'em. I've had that discussion before and it's usually not that big a deal.

I've noticed that "public opinion" drastically changes from thread-to-thread. Where as in one thread you may find nothing but support for your view, in another you can be chastised for it.I think there is a lot of support for this grim.:)

[Dino Velvet]

I think there is a lot of support for this grim.:)

Some probing investigations for sure.

http://i614.photobucket.com/albums/tt221/My_Farts_Cause_Global_Warming/eatingpopcorn.gif

[amberskyi]

I'm more open to it in a relationship because my femininity and my boyfriends masculinity isn't challenged.
Allot of clients that want to bottom tend to treat me a bit masculine and rough.

[youngblood61]

I'm more open to it in a relationship because my femininity and my boyfriends masculinity isn't challenged.
Allot of clients that want to bottom tend to treat me a bit masculine and rough.That's interesting Amber I would think they would be more submissive.:)

[Dino Velvet]

I'm more open to it in a relationship because my femininity and my boyfriends masculinity isn't challenged.
Allot of clients that want to bottom tend to treat me a bit masculine and rough.

Do you know if your clients top or bottom before they show up or do you find out when you ask what they're into? When it is made known that you are the one who is doing the penetrating, how does that make you feel? Most fellas probably aren't too hip about keeping their hind end immaculate. You have my sympathies, young lady.

[maxpower]

I'm in your camp, Grim.

[GrimFusion]

Try letting go and enjoying yourself

You obviously are having problems with your sexuality.

I'ts just sex for fucks sake!

Top / Bottom lol fuck sake how Gay !!

That's an opinion.
I can respect that.

I'm not speaking from a lack of experience. This isn't just something I "think" I don't like. I know I'm not a fan, but it's not because it's gay or that I think I'm way too straight. I couldn't care less about how other people perceive my sexuality. I've always been more dominant in the sack simply as a matter of preference.

I'd sooner stick to my guns than give into some idea that I might be turning off a good deal of the women around here. If I am, so what? They aren't girls I'd be interested in sexually anyway; not to simply discount them all. I'm still civil and respectful when I should be.

[danthepoetman]

:)
My Asshole's Just For Shitting - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2GV2E5WHZM)

[tsadriana]

I like this threaD...Helps me to know the guys from this board....Well i never topped a guy in my life and i will never try .....Escort/relantionship doesnt matter which one ...if im a T-woman i go with that all the way.

[Dino Velvet]

I like this threaD...Helps me to know the guys from this board....Well i never topped a guy in my life and i will never try .....Escort/relantionship doesnt matter which one ...if im a T-woman i go with that all the way.

Keep facing the wall, honey. That's how I like it.:fuckin:

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/customavatars/avatar85270_143.gif

[youngblood61]

I like this threaD...Helps me to know the guys from this board....Well i never topped a guy in my life and i will never try .....Escort/relantionship doesnt matter which one ...if im a T-woman i go with that all the way.I'm glad Adriana, because with a ass like yours the only thing I want to do is:fuckin:

[GrimFusion]

I'm more open to it in a relationship because my femininity and my boyfriends masculinity isn't challenged.
Allot of clients that want to bottom tend to treat me a bit masculine and rough.

Right, if we're talking about a relationship. When feelings are involved, it's not about self-gratification or who's the dominant and who's the submissive. If I dig the chick I'm sleeping with, of course I'm going to be more willing to give her what she wants even if I'm not that big a fan. I'm not a selfish lover. First-time hookup or an escort? Probably not, though. No offense.

[Dino Velvet]

Be fun to throw Adriana up on a table and play her like a pinball machine.

http://arcadeheaven.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/tilt-poster.jpg

[tsadriana]

Be fun to throw Adriana up on a table and play her like a pinball machine.

http://arcadeheaven.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/tilt-poster.jpg

You always make me laugh do u?:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[rockabilly]

I'm rockabilly and I support this message.

[GrimFusion]

You always make me laugh do u?:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Sounds like Dino just crossed the line. Damn.

[Dino Velvet]

You always make me laugh do u?:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Rather make you sticky all over your belly.:jerkoff

[youngblood61]

Would love to get a chance to play with Adriana. Be a dream cum true, yes indeed!:jerkoff

[Dino Velvet]

Would love to get a chance to play with Adriana. Be a dream cum true, yes indeed!:jerkoff

I'd like to take 3 steps across The Atlantic and plant my flag in her butt. Could be so worked up I might pole vault.

[fire.starterman]

I get really really turned on by girls topping guys, and love to be bottom for gorgeous tanssexuals. When watching porn its dom t girl stuff like ts seduction I usually go for. But then again on occasion I watch some gg mistress bdsm stuff, some straight men on gg stuff, I adore getting a professional massage off a gg with a happy ending lol, and on a normal day to day in a straight club I get my kicks from banging ggs real hard at the end of the night! Its all part of the rich tapestry of life as far as I'm concerned lol.

[youngblood61]

i'd like to take 3 steps across the atlantic and plant my flag in her butt. Could be so worked up i might pole vault.lol dv.:)

[be2378]

Be fun to throw Adriana up on a table and play her like a pinball machine.

http://arcadeheaven.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/tilt-poster.jpg

I would love to top a lot of girls on a pinball machine. I love pinball and it would even be better if it was Attack From Mars Pinball or Funhouse.

[GrimFusion]

I like this threaD...Helps me to know the guys from this board....Well i never topped a guy in my life and i will never try .....Escort/relantionship doesnt matter which one ...if im a T-woman i go with that all the way.

I can respect that. I'd never PUSH a chick to get SRS, but if that's the eventual goal, I'm a happy dude. I know there's a general assumption that if a guy enjoys both, he's going to be the type that runs-around and cheats, but I'm old school. Much more of a one-woman man. I can't lie worth a damn anyhow. My face tells the truth when I don't. I wouldn't want to deal with the shame.

[RallyCola]

I'm not scared of a little conflict. Everybody's entitled to their own opinions as far as I'm concerned. Even me. If anybody wants to come in here and put me on grill for being "close-minded", let 'em. I've had that discussion before and it's usually not that big a deal.

I've noticed that "public opinion" drastically changes from thread-to-thread. Where as in one thread you may find nothing but support for your view, in another you can be chastised for it.

Really grim? I expected more from you. You have to realize that often, forum members will only click on threads that either interest them and not often offend them. I am sure that so far, with only 3 pages of discussion that many tgirl fans that enjoy being topped and watching girls top have either simply passed this thread over or have not yet logged in to discuss.

Furthermore, there are only a few individuals that really post quite often so when the pool of individuals is small, dissension may not occur since the topic isn't really that controversial and many tgirl fans don't like the idea of being topped or watching active girls fuck men because it ruins their fantasy.

i will NOT turn this thread into something that has been debated here for all time except to say that if you are into tgirls, then enjoy them for all their benefits if you can.

it is true that when girls top for money only on film or even as an escort, it can be very disappointing. Case in point, Tiffany Star in that rather poor TS Seduction video a while back or alot of stuff that comes out of Brazil. However the same can be said for a tgirl fucking a ggirl when they don't like it...Case in point, a few years ago, Simone from NYC fucked a girl named Mariah on shemale yum and you could tell she was disgusted. So...when 2 actors/models are into each other and the acts, of course the scene is better that when they are only into if for the paycheck and hate what they are doing. That is a generalization regardless of what the act is.

So...that we have discussed porn and to a certain degree, escorting, I must agree that when a girl is topping only for cash when she otherwise doesn't like it, i too am not going to be interested and likely a bit turned off...though not for the same reason as you...i'm turned off by her inability to act and entertain me.

Now...moving on to girls that actually like topping. when they are in a scene and ruling an asshole (regardless of a man, woman or other trans), I personally find it to be a thing of beauty. it isn't the subject being topped that i am focused on or the dick in the ass (because i hate those shots of just dick in something...be it dick in vag or ass). i'm all about seeing a lovely woman get fucked or do the fucking...i'm never focused on the dude

i am a man that is very secure in his lifestyle and fully enjoy being topped by an escort when i can, but more often than not, it is my wife that is wearing our strap on and she gets as much out of it as i do. it is a thing of beauty to see a gorgeous woman (g or t) and have your sphincter widened, prostate probed and hopefully either a reach-around or a little blow at the same time. that's my choice and i thoroughly enjoy it. so because i enjoy how it feels when it is happening to me, of course i am turned on by watching it. its like saying, i like my dick sucked so i am turned on by watching girls give head. its really pretty simple...you are generally turned on if you like what you see because you like how it feels (or you imagine you would like how it feels if you have never tried it).

you really are missing a key point here. 90% of men that watch and jerk it to tranny porn have never been with a tgirl. the imagine they would like it and enjoy the fantasy of being with a tgirl in whatever capacity turns them on. part of the fantasy is that she has a usable penis either for sucking or topping because otherwise, what is the point of the fantasy...just stick to ggirls. so for some men that have never received anal, they might either be disgusted or really turn on by the chance to be topped. for men that have either experimented, paid and escort, have a loving wife willing to top or just self-probed, they have a basis for understanding if they want something else up there. porn must cater to all tastes...that is all. anything less and producers would lose market share to other genres/fetishes etc.

i will close this rant by saying this...being turn on or off by tgirls plowing a dude's ass is really no different than being turned on by black women eating out eskimo women while wearing a kimono. it is no different than watching some dude lick an armpit or some dude getting kicked in the nuts by a bitch wearing high heels...different strokes for different folks.

[tsadriana]

I'd like to take 3 steps across The Atlantic and plant my flag in her butt. Could be so worked up I might pole vault.
hahahahah sillybilly:mad::mad::mad:

[Dino Velvet]

I would love to top a lot of girls on a pinball machine. I love pinball and it would even be better if it was Attack From Mars Pinball or Funhouse.

As long as she's not Dirty or Harry. On second thought Dirty's fine.

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/107/89ba224402754f0aab2acb36a327bd6d/l.jpg

[tsadriana]

As long as she's not Dirty or Harry. On second thought Dirty's fine.

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/107/89ba224402754f0aab2acb36a327bd6d/l.jpg
Is only one way in makeng me dirty:jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff

[Dino Velvet]

hahahahah sillybilly:mad::mad::mad:

You sure know how to throw your ass up in the air, little girl.

[be2378]

Is only one way in makeng me dirty:jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff

World Cup is ok too!! You can score 2 goals at the same time.

[tsadriana]

World Cup is ok too!! You can score 2 goals at the same time.
Its a challenge?:mad:

[be2378]

Its a challenge?:mad:

Maybe.......just be really good at the multi-ball

[Chaos]

I'm not turned off by it,but then I've never been there either...What else can I say?

[GrimFusion]

Really grim? I expected more from you. You have to realize that often, forum members will only click on threads that either interest them and not often offend them. I am sure that so far, with only 3 pages of discussion that many tgirl fans that enjoy being topped and watching girls top have either simply passed this thread over or have not yet logged in to discuss.

Furthermore, there are only a few individuals that really post quite often so when the pool of individuals is small, dissension may not occur since the topic isn't really that controversial and many tgirl fans don't like the idea of being topped or watching active girls fuck men because it ruins their fantasy.

i will NOT turn this thread into something that has been debated here for all time except to say that if you are into tgirls, then enjoy them for all their benefits if you can.

it is true that when girls top for money only on film or even as an escort, it can be very disappointing. Case in point, Tiffany Star in that rather poor TS Seduction video a while back or alot of stuff that comes out of Brazil. However the same can be said for a tgirl fucking a ggirl when they don't like it...Case in point, a few years ago, Simone from NYC fucked a girl named Mariah on shemale yum and you could tell she was disgusted. So...when 2 actors/models are into each other and the acts, of course the scene is better that when they are only into if for the paycheck and hate what they are doing. That is a generalization regardless of what the act is.

So...that we have discussed porn and to a certain degree, escorting, I must agree that when a girl is topping only for cash when she otherwise doesn't like it, i too am not going to be interested and likely a bit turned off...though not for the same reason as you...i'm turned off by her inability to act and entertain me.

Now...moving on to girls that actually like topping. when they are in a scene and ruling an asshole (regardless of a man, woman or other trans), I personally find it to be a thing of beauty. it isn't the subject being topped that i am focused on or the dick in the ass (because i hate those shots of just dick in something...be it dick in vag or ass). i'm all about seeing a lovely woman get fucked or do the fucking...i'm never focused on the dude

i am a man that is very secure in his lifestyle and fully enjoy being topped by an escort when i can, but more often than not, it is my wife that is wearing our strap on and she gets as much out of it as i do. it is a thing of beauty to see a gorgeous woman (g or t) and have your sphincter widened, prostate probed and hopefully either a reach-around or a little blow at the same time. that's my choice and i thoroughly enjoy it. so because i enjoy how it feels when it is happening to me, of course i am turned on by watching it. its like saying, i like my dick sucked so i am turned on by watching girls give head. its really pretty simple...you are generally turned on if you like what you see because you like how it feels (or you imagine you would like how it feels if you have never tried it).

you really are missing a key point here. 90% of men that watch and jerk it to tranny porn have never been with a tgirl. the imagine they would like it and enjoy the fantasy of being with a tgirl in whatever capacity turns them on. part of the fantasy is that she has a usable penis either for sucking or topping because otherwise, what is the point of the fantasy...just stick to ggirls. so for some men that have never received anal, they might either be disgusted or really turn on by the chance to be topped. for men that have either experimented, paid and escort, have a loving wife willing to top or just self-probed, they have a basis for understanding if they want something else up there. porn must cater to all tastes...that is all. anything less and producers would lose market share to other genres/fetishes etc.

i will close this rant by saying this...being turn on or off by tgirls plowing a dude's ass is really no different than being turned on by black women eating out eskimo women while wearing a kimono. it is no different than watching some dude lick an armpit or some dude getting kicked in the nuts by a bitch wearing high heels...different strokes for different folks.

Rally, the first three paragraphs of your post were certainly informative for people who don't understand the dynamic of any internet forum ever. You just went into far more detail explaining WHY general opinions shift from thread-to-thread. I wasn't trying to be that in-depth about the subject, but I agree with you.

I don't think you're a rotten person for being a tad too superficial and self-centered, but you should realize that it's not an opinion shared by a majority of the guys around here. Never-the-less, I'm glad you're willing to contribute your opinion anyhow and I'm more than willing to hear you out. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily going to agree with you, but in this case, difference is something to celebrate; not linger on. I think it's fairly evident that so long as there are guys and girls around here who agree with me, you can find your lot as well. If that means I'm chillin' in a minority camp and you've got a majority of the forum backing you up, then why are you so defensive in correcting me? I'm not here to make determinations about your sexuality as they aren't mine to make, but that doesn't exactly support your claim that you're a man that is very secure in his lifestyle.

I do agree that prolonged close-up shots in porn suck no matter what kind of porn it is.

I know you're speaking in generalities because I do that quite a bit, but when you challenge personal opinion with what you believe to be a view which is true *most* of the time, you're going to get met with opposition. I wouldn't disagree with you if you were talking about most of the guys on this forum, but you aren't. You're talking about my preferences and how they shouldn't deviate from the majority preference and I vehemently disagree. If that makes me the oddball, I guess I'm an oddball.

For me, the dick isn't really a part of the equation. I'm not put off by it, but it's not the reason why I purport to be an admirer. Plainly stated, I like buttsex quite a bit, I've had some dirty experiences with GG's, and I don't lust after men. That's my motivation. I can fully respect that you have a different opinion, but it's not a better opinion. Different strokes for different folks. You said it yourself.

My girlfriend is Eskimo. Funny you mentioned that.

[amberskyi]

Really grim? I expected more from you. You have to realize that often, forum members will only click on threads that either interest them and not often offend them. I am sure that so far, with only 3 pages of discussion that many tgirl fans that enjoy being topped and watching girls top have either simply passed this thread over or have not yet logged in to discuss.

Furthermore, there are only a few individuals that really post quite often so when the pool of individuals is small, dissension may not occur since the topic isn't really that controversial and many tgirl fans don't like the idea of being topped or watching active girls fuck men because it ruins their fantasy.

i will NOT turn this thread into something that has been debated here for all time except to say that if you are into tgirls, then enjoy them for all their benefits if you can.

it is true that when girls top for money only on film or even as an escort, it can be very disappointing. Case in point, Tiffany Star in that rather poor TS Seduction video a while back or alot of stuff that comes out of Brazil. However the same can be said for a tgirl fucking a ggirl when they don't like it...Case in point, a few years ago, Simone from NYC fucked a girl named Mariah on shemale yum and you could tell she was disgusted. So...when 2 actors/models are into each other and the acts, of course the scene is better that when they are only into if for the paycheck and hate what they are doing. That is a generalization regardless of what the act is.

So...that we have discussed porn and to a certain degree, escorting, I must agree that when a girl is topping only for cash when she otherwise doesn't like it, i too am not going to be interested and likely a bit turned off...though not for the same reason as you...i'm turned off by her inability to act and entertain me.

Now...moving on to girls that actually like topping. when they are in a scene and ruling an asshole (regardless of a man, woman or other trans), I personally find it to be a thing of beauty. it isn't the subject being topped that i am focused on or the dick in the ass (because i hate those shots of just dick in something...be it dick in vag or ass). i'm all about seeing a lovely woman get fucked or do the fucking...i'm never focused on the dude

i am a man that is very secure in his lifestyle and fully enjoy being topped by an escort when i can, but more often than not, it is my wife that is wearing our strap on and she gets as much out of it as i do. it is a thing of beauty to see a gorgeous woman (g or t) and have your sphincter widened, pIrostate probed and hopefully either a reach-around or a little blow at the same time. that's my choice and i thoroughly enjoy it. so because i enjoy how it feels when it is happening to me, of course i am turned on by watching it. its like saying, i like my dick sucked so i am turned on by watching girls give head. its really pretty simple...you are generally turned on if you like what you see because you like how it feels (or you imagine you would like how it feels if you have never tried it).

you really are missing a key point here. 90% of men that watch and jerk it to tranny porn have never been with a tgirl. the imagine they would like it and enjoy the fantasy of being with a tgirl in whatever capacity turns them on. part of the fantasy is that she has a usable penis either for sucking or topping because otherwise, what is the point of the fantasy...just stick to ggirls. so for some men that have never received anal, they might either be disgusted or really turn on by the chance to be topped. for men that have either experimented, paid and escort, have a loving wife willing to top or just self-probed, they have a basis for understanding if they want something else up there. porn must cater to all tastes...that is all. anything less and producers would lose market share to other genres/fetishes etc.

i will close this rant by saying this...being turn on or off by tgirls plowing a dude's ass is really no different than being turned on by black women eating out eskimo women while wearing a kimono. it is no different than watching some dude lick an armpit or some dude getting kicked in the nuts by a bitch wearing high heels...different strokes for different folks.
I can't say how much I fucking hate that why not just be with a gg argument.Trans woman have so much more to offer than just dick.I get that its just porn so of course I guess the attraction is just superficial....never mind, i'm just going to shut up.

[tsadriana]

Rally, the first three paragraphs of your post were certainly informative for people who don't understand the dynamic of any internet forum ever. You just went into far more detail explaining WHY general opinions shift from thread-to-thread. I wasn't trying to be that in-depth about the subject, but I agree with you.

I don't think you're a rotten person for being a tad too superficial and self-centered, but you should realize that it's not an opinion shared by a majority of the guys around here. Never-the-less, I'm glad you're willing to contribute your opinion anyhow and I'm more than willing to hear you out. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily going to agree with you, but in this case, difference is something to celebrate; not linger on. I think it's fairly evident that so long as there are guys and girls around here who agree with me, you can find your lot as well. If that means I'm chillin' in a minority camp and you've got a majority of the forum backing you up, then why are you so defensive in correcting me? I'm not here to make determinations about your sexuality as they aren't mine to make, but that doesn't exactly support your claim that you're a man that is very secure in his lifestyle.

I do agree that prolonged close-up shots in porn suck no matter what kind of porn it is.

I know you're speaking in generalities because I do that quite a bit, but when you challenge personal opinion with what you believe to be a view which is true *most* of the time, you're going to get met with opposition. I wouldn't disagree with you if you were talking about most of the guys on this forum, but you aren't. You're talking about my preferences and how they shouldn't deviate from the majority preference and I vehemently disagree. If that makes me the oddball, I guess I'm an oddball.

For me, the dick isn't really a part of the equation. I'm not put off by it, but it's not the reason why I purport to be an admirer. Plainly stated, I like buttsex quite a bit, I've had some dirty experiences with GG's, and I don't lust after men. That's my motivation. I can fully respect that you have a different opinion, but it's not a better opinion. Different strokes for different folks. You said it yourself.

My girlfriend is Eskimo. Funny you mentioned that.
I like ur thinking,actualy u like the feminity instead rather with cock or not and ur big turn on is the buttsex which is good....Thats what i like in a guy to see in me ,my feminity ,my soul inside and not what i have btw my legs.

[GrimFusion]

I like ur thinking,actualy u like the feminity instead rather with cock or not and ur big turn on is the buttsex which is good....Thats what i like in a guy to see in me ,my feminity ,my soul inside and not what i have btw my legs.

You're putting words in my mouth, but that's okay because they're true. :dancing:

[nina_lisa]

let us just say, with female hormones, cocks are not always made to be used, or used non stop.

Everyone millage can vary, but had a few times, where it was painful (from a physical point of view) to top a client.

Now, huge huge number of clients want a ts to dominate them, force them to suck it, force them to take it in the ass...Etc

[tsadriana]

I know i was born with a cock which is not my fault can we blaime the nature?But when a man is asking to top him ,in that moment im feel more manly more gay then transexual.

[FreddieGomez]

Yes. Every time I've posted something like this the bottom dudes always rally against me.

But when I first got into trannys and came to forums such as this, it really boggled my mind that dudes would be so into the dick and getting topped. I always thought me as the man attracted to trns women would be the one topping. Idk. It always confused me as to why some would be so inclined to want to bottom but to each his own i guess.

[Chaos]

I don't think I'd ever ask a girl. Now if she asked me? That's different.
I'm not selfish,in fact,I've always been of the mind to give them whatever they want however they want,and my needs come last....pun intended.

[tsadriana]

Well the biggest issue with the trans topping men is the porn industry ...They promote most of the time movies with shemales topping guys ,so then the viewers has that idea in their head that actualy all transexuals top guys and if u don`t top a guy or show ur cock ,then ur not real transexual....And the sad part is that the most promoted Transexuals in porn industry are the ones who top guy ....My opinion is to be promotoed 50/50.

[tsadriana]

And as an escort is a fact if u don`t fuck a guy u dont make money.

[GrimFusion]

Yes. Every time I've posted something like this the bottom dudes always rallycola against me.

But when I first got into trannys and came to forums such as this, it really boggled my mind that dudes would be so into the dick and getting topped. I always thought me as the man attracted to trns women would be the one topping. Idk. It always confused me as to why some would be so inclined to want to bottom but to each his own i guess.

Certainly, to each their own; but I agree.
When I was new around here, that blew my mind.
I got a second shock once I realized how many lurkers there are around here who do nothing but PM these girls asking to be dominated. Nothing wrong with it, I just expected something different and I turned out to be wrong. Way wrong.

[GoddessAthena85]

I like this thread. Though there are a few things I just passed over. I mean I didn't care to much about the professional angle of the conversation, but that's just me. I'm not shy but being new to this forum Bealive it or not there are things I don't want to say. I mean Most of the visits to my profile are people who joined years ago and have never posted. I get creeped out by that kinda thing.
I will say I have enjoyed the views of most people posting. I know anytime I use mine to much in any way people are to rough and end up hurting it. Most guys just jerk things around like i'm made of steel. that's no way to make me feel like a girl. So thanks to the boys that like to let a girl be herself.

[Chaos]

So thanks to the boys that like to let a girl be herself.

Wouldn't have it any other way.

[tsadriana]

This is my fav thread all this time since i joined....till now is all good...

[GrimFusion]

And as an escort is a fact if u don`t fuck a guy u dont make money.

We don't talk about that around General Discussion much. It's kind of a sad subject but a very prominent and nagging reality. Guys don't want to hear that what they want from a 'shemale' isn't what she wants as a woman. Dudes just figure that so long as a donation's accepted, everything is completely mutual. Sad subject matter. Keep your goals in mind, girl. Don't lose sight of the finish line.

[tsadriana]

We don't talk about that around General Discussion much. It's kind of a sad subject but a very prominent and nagging reality. Guys don't want to hear that what they want from a 'shemale' isn't what she wants as a woman. Dudes just figure that so long as a donation's accepted, everything is completely mutual. Sad subject matter.
:iagree:

[tsadriana]

Originally Posted by GoddessAthena85

I don't want to say. I mean Most of the visits to my profile are people who joined years ago and have never posted. I get creeped out by that kinda thing.
__________________________________________________ ___
Your not the only one hun.

[Chaos]

Even if I went the escort route I'd still be me....She'd get my money without having to top,unless she wanted to.
I'd never change my standards or self just to fit a situation.

[Odelay]

I'm probably a rare bird... I've never bottomed in any of my experiences with t-girls nor am I interested in it, but I do enjoy watching porn where the guy gets topped - in fact, I really prefer it. I guess it's the difference btwn fantasy and reality.

[GoddessAthena85]

Originally Posted by GoddessAthena85

I don't want to say. I mean Most of the visits to my profile are people who joined years ago and have never posted. I get creeped out by that kinda thing.
__________________________________________________ ___
Your not the only one hun.

chills

[Odelay]

I'm probably a rare bird... I've never bottomed in any of my experiences with t-girls nor am I interested in it, but I do enjoy watching porn where the guy gets topped - in fact, I really prefer it. I guess it's the difference btwn fantasy and reality.

Just to clarify, my favorite part of TS porn is actually the traditional romantic part... the meet and greet, conversation before action starts, kissing, caressing, and all the foreplay. If the romantic stuff is good, I really don't care whether the girl or guy tops. However, if it's a good scene, then the girl eventually topping the guy sort of caps it for me. My best real life experiences also had a lot of foreplay.

[nina_lisa]

Most guys just jerk things around like i'm made of steel. that's no way to make me feel like a girl.

Had one case the guy focused so much on that part, he ended by injuring it.
Tucking for the whole week, was painful.

[trish]

Just to clarify, my favorite part of TS porn is actually the traditional romantic part... the meet and greet, conversation before action starts, kissing, caressing, and all the foreplay. If the romantic stuff is good, I really don't care whether the girl or guy tops. However, if it's a good scene, then the girl eventually topping the guy sort of caps it for me. My best real life experiences also had a lot of foreplay.
I don't watch much TG-porn,
but when I do...
I skip directly to the scene where the girl is on her back, her eyes up in her head, her lips in an O and emitting incoherent cooing noises, her legs high up in the air, getting ass-reamed by a giant prick while her own swollen limpy is oozing a glistening string of viscous goo and suddenly squirts and pools in her naval.

[RallyCola]

I can't say how much I fucking hate that why not just be with a gg argument.Trans woman have so much more to offer than just dick.I get that its just porn so of course I guess the attraction is just superficial....never mind, i'm just going to shut up.


actually NO.

trans women have nothing to offer me that a genetic girl cannot other than her dick. i really don't understand why you don't understand that point of view. it comes from 2 places.
1) guys into cock and cock alone and the sexual side of things.
2) guys (like me) that really don't see trans-women as anything special. that is said to be particularly harsh for a reason...i honestly see NO difference between a trans-woman and a ggirl than anatomy. i look at ggirls and tgirls as both women equal in every way other than anatomy. once a trans-woman is fortunate enough to finish her transition, she is just now equal anatomically as well.

so given that what is in your panties is truly irrelevant to me, i trust that you understand why if it is a vag, i will do what i can to please you and likewise if it is a cock because whether you are in my bed as my wife or as an escort, you are still a woman that i am trying to have a good time with...regardless of what is put where.

[RallyCola]

Rally, the first three paragraphs of your post were certainly informative for people who don't understand the dynamic of any internet forum ever. You just went into far more detail explaining WHY general opinions shift from thread-to-thread. I wasn't trying to be that in-depth about the subject, but I agree with you.

I don't think you're a rotten person for being a tad too superficial and self-centered, but you should realize that it's not an opinion shared by a majority of the guys around here. Never-the-less, I'm glad you're willing to contribute your opinion anyhow and I'm more than willing to hear you out. That doesn't mean I'm necessarily going to agree with you, but in this case, difference is something to celebrate; not linger on. I think it's fairly evident that so long as there are guys and girls around here who agree with me, you can find your lot as well. If that means I'm chillin' in a minority camp and you've got a majority of the forum backing you up, then why are you so defensive in correcting me? I'm not here to make determinations about your sexuality as they aren't mine to make, but that doesn't exactly support your claim that you're a man that is very secure in his lifestyle.

I do agree that prolonged close-up shots in porn suck no matter what kind of porn it is.

I know you're speaking in generalities because I do that quite a bit, but when you challenge personal opinion with what you believe to be a view which is true *most* of the time, you're going to get met with opposition. I wouldn't disagree with you if you were talking about most of the guys on this forum, but you aren't. You're talking about my preferences and how they shouldn't deviate from the majority preference and I vehemently disagree. If that makes me the oddball, I guess I'm an oddball.

For me, the dick isn't really a part of the equation. I'm not put off by it, but it's not the reason why I purport to be an admirer. Plainly stated, I like buttsex quite a bit, I've had some dirty experiences with GG's, and I don't lust after men. That's my motivation. I can fully respect that you have a different opinion, but it's not a better opinion. Different strokes for different folks. You said it yourself.

My girlfriend is Eskimo. Funny you mentioned that.

you missed my point entirely. if you re-read my post, you will see that what i am saying is that there are men for which receiving anal is most important and those that abhor it. because of that and the company you keep in this forum and all the bullshit that goes on with what is masculine, feminine and gay, etc (ie all the labels that so many men fight with when trying to rationalize the love or lust for a transgendered woman), this is a pointless debate. it is like debating coke vs. pepsi.

my only points were to agree with you that when topping is filmed and it is forced for cash, it is boring, but that proper pornstars are in fact either able to fake it well enough to entertain me OR maybe actually like it enough that it comes across on camera. because of that, there will be a place in this niche of porn for girls to continue to top men and i will be an avid consumer of such. that is all...if you took away more from my post than that, you are really searching for something to argue about. in no way am i trying to debate your sexuality or choice.

[amberskyi]

I'm sorry but if all i'm good for is a dick for you to play with than that's homo

[RallyCola]

I'm sorry but if all i'm good for is a dick for you to play with than that's homo

wow...i could attack your intelligence for not understanding what i said...but i will ask you...what do you have to offer someone that ANY OTHER WOMAN (g or t) can't?

i actually feel sorry for you that you don't consider yourself equal to other women out there. why do you think so low of yourself that you are not on equal footing. or is your image so self inflated?

[noble1337]

I can only watch tgirls get topped/sucking dick...not the other way around.
The other way around just seems like gay porn to me. not saying that it actually is or not

[GrimFusion]

you missed my point entirely. if you re-read my post, you will see that what i am saying is that there are men for which receiving anal is most important and those that abhor it. because of that and the company you keep in this forum and all the bullshit that goes on with what is masculine, feminine and gay, etc (ie all the labels that so many men fight with when trying to rationalize the love or lust for a transgendered woman), this is a pointless debate. it is like debating coke vs. pepsi.

my only points were to agree with you that when topping is filmed and it is forced for cash, it is boring, but that proper pornstars are in fact either able to fake it well enough to entertain me OR maybe actually like it enough that it comes across on camera. because of that, there will be a place in this niche of porn for girls to continue to top men and i will be an avid consumer of such. that is all...if you took away more from my post than that, you are really searching for something to argue about. in no way am i trying to debate your sexuality or choice.

I'm not just looking for a reason to argue with you, Rally. If you've noticed, every time I've stated a personal opinion, I've stressed that you're absolutely allowed your own.

Comparing this to Pepsi versus Coke is completely oversimplifying the whole conversation, but I wouldn't expect much more from you. Not to say I want to go on arguing about this for another four or five replies; I can at least respect your point of view. I understood the intent of your original reply. I just don't want to get into arguing about the nitty-gritty details. Your opinion is valid if we're just talking about porn and not the sexworker industry. That seems to be your focus, so as far as I'm concerned you're right.

[RallyCola]

I'm not just looking for a reason to argue with you, Rally. If you've noticed, every time I've stated a personal opinion, I've stressed that you're absolutely allowed your own.

Comparing this to Pepsi versus Coke is completely oversimplifying the whole conversation, but I wouldn't expect much more from you. Not to say I want to go on arguing about this for another four or five replies; I can at least respect your point of view. I understood the intent of your original reply. I just don't want to get into arguing about the nitty-gritty details. Your opinion is valid if we're just talking about porn and not the sexworker industry. That seems to be your focus, so as far as I'm concerned you're right.

contrite as your post may appear to be, you have to know that it opens up an entirely different discussion.

point 1. coke vs. pepsi. you either like one, the other or both. how is that oversimplifying anything. you either like to watch tgirls get topped, tgirls topping or both. it is oversimplifying because you want to elevate the debate to something for than it is.

point 2. porn vs. the sex worker industry. Are they not the same? consumers are paying for services...either through a screen or live in person and the consumer has every right to demand what they want. if the service provider (producer or sex worker) is willing to oblige then so be it. if they do not want to provide the service, then the consumer is free to go elsewhere, that is all.

your original post was about not being turned on by watching boring topping scenes. now you changed to porn vs. sex workers. when did that happen except in your failed attempt to rebut?

[imaculate]

Depends. I don't like seeing the man in tgirl porn , but when it's a tgirl and a gg or two tgirls, I like seeing the topping. In real life it's 70/30 with me being top 70% of the time. I don't like strictly bottom tgirls, I like variety ;)

[Jericho]

I'm sorry but if all i'm good for is a dick for you to play with than that's homo

If you were a chick without a dick, how hot would you rate yourself?

[Jericho]

Edit,
Sorry to point that at you, Amber, it wasn't you specific, rather, any girl here who cares to answer.

[broncofan]

I don't mean to express any kind of animosity when I write this post though I do mean it as a rebuttal of sorts. What I think a lot of the tgirls posting on this thread seem to fail to understand is that their interest is not the interest of every girl. I've met transgender girls who prefer to top and did not see it in any way contradicting their gender identity since they've learned to separate what they like sexually from how they see themselves socially. And they did not have any financial reason to tell me this as they were not escorts. They wonder why girls who like to top do not post a rebuttal; it might be that they think others will challenge their right to engage in such sexual activities and consider themselves feminine. Otherwise I cannot explain the silence.

Whether one thinks it's gay to bottom or not, the use of the word gay as an implied pejorative is pretty malicious and petty. Of course someone who understands why an individual's gender identity might not match their biological sex would say that anyone calling a transgender girl "gay" would not just be crude but grossly inaccurate. But then why is there such a desire by those who often are victims of harassment to want to define others sexually? Perhaps somebody wants something from you sexually that you don't want to give them. If it offends you're dignity, refuse them. I am sure there are transsexual girls in here who have wanted to be intimate with men who are not into transsexuals. Should they rebuff you by calling you "gay"? Again, bigotry is in the eye of the beholder. If someone harasses someone because they think that person is gay, it's still homophobia even if they are not in fact gay. So for that reason, since transgender individuals are often villified as gay by homophobes I think transphobia is a species of homophobia. It provides a fairly good reason not to identify with those who would mistreat you.

Anyhow, I'm not attacking any of the girls. I'm just saying other than the irritation of being asked to do something you have no interest in doing (and the right to refuse), why the attacks on men who like to bottom by trying to force labels onto them that really seem like an underhanded way of mocking them? Again no offense intended nor is this intended as any sort of challenge. I'll check the responses but this is about all I have to say on the subject anyway so I won't be a broken record.

[GoddessAthena85]

Edit,
Sorry to point that at you, Amber, it wasn't you specific, rather, any girl here who cares to answer.
No Number used. I'm not going to that level of rating myself self on those kinds of scales . It's like saying i'm only as hot as my physical body, either that or getting to off topic and on a rant which I'm not up for lol.

[Winkle]

I don't mean to express any kind of animosity when I write this post though I do mean it as a rebuttal of sorts. What I think a lot of the tgirls posting on this thread seem to fail to understand is that their interest is not the interest of every girl. I've met transgender girls who prefer to top and did not see it in any way contradicting their gender identity since they've learned to separate what they like sexually from how they see themselves socially. And they did not have any financial reason to tell me this as they were not escorts. They wonder why girls who like to top do not post a rebuttal; it might be that they think others will challenge their right to engage in such sexual activities and consider themselves feminine. Otherwise I cannot explain the silence.

Whether one thinks it's gay to bottom or not, the use of the word gay as an implied pejorative is pretty malicious and petty. Of course someone who understands why an individual's gender identity might not match their biological sex would say that anyone calling a transgender girl "gay" would not just be crude but grossly inaccurate. But then why is there such a desire by those who often are victims of harassment to want to define others sexually? Perhaps somebody wants something from you sexually that you don't want to give them. If it offends you're dignity, refuse them. I am sure there are transsexual girls in here who have wanted to be intimate with men who are not into transsexuals. Should they rebuff you by calling you "gay"? Again, bigotry is in the eye of the beholder. If someone harasses someone because they think that person is gay, it's still homophobia even if they are not in fact gay. So for that reason, since transgender individuals are often villified as gay by homophobes I think transphobia is a species of homophobia. It provides a fairly good reason not to identify with those who would mistreat you.

Anyhow, I'm not attacking any of the girls. I'm just saying other than the irritation of being asked to do something you have no interest in doing (and the right to refuse), why the attacks on men who like to bottom by trying to force labels onto them that really seem like an underhanded way of mocking them? Again no offense intended nor is this intended as any sort of challenge. I'll check the responses but this is about all I have to say on the subject anyway so I won't be a broken record.

Spot on.

[amberskyi]

wow...i could attack your intelligence for not understanding what i said...but i will ask you...what do you have to offer someone that ANY OTHER WOMAN (g or t) can't?

i actually feel sorry for you that you don't consider yourself equal to other women out there. why do you think so low of yourself that you are not on equal footing. or is your image so self inflated?

Sweetie that's exactly what i'm trying to say.i'm the same as any woman cock or no cock.
You're the one who made the argument that if it wasn't about the dick than why not just stick to gg woman.
I can't speak for any of the men here but some people see the woman in me, the femininity that I exude and that is what attracts them.their attraction to me has nothing to do with me being a chick with a dick.i'm just a woman.
i'm not saying your like this but there are guys out there that are overly cock focused.when you can't appreciate a woman for who she is and her dick is what means the most to you than to me its homosexual.I think some guys need to be honest and ask themselves would I still be interested in her post op? If not than it was never about the woman she is (cause that doesn't change) but about the cock.how does no one else find it weird that when a girl losses the most masculine aspect of herself some of y'all become disinterested...doesn't exactly scream hetero to me.

[jamesedwards]

I love versatile TGirls, they can top and bottom and enjoy both not just do it for money but they enjoy topping.



I am. I know there's a big difference between topping because it pays well and actually getting into it, but nothing's more of a boner kill for me than finding a new gorgeous girl in a pic set, checking out a few videos and finding out she's topping guys in more than half of them. What's worse is when she's looking the other direction or doing the whole scene with her eyes closed and I can tell she's definitively not into it. I don't think it's necessarily a sense of empathy I feel, but I certainly can't fap to it. There's no such thing as strictly anything; sometimes a dude should be a little versatile if requested, but when it's quite often; no thanks.

To each their own. This isn't any sort of insult against guys who like to bottom or the chicks who serve 'em up. Just a personal observation and I was wondering how many other guys felt the same way.

[jamesedwards]

What in the hell does that mean? That's some confusing shit.




Originally Posted by amberskyi
I'm sorry but if all i'm good for is a dick for you to play with than that's hom

[jamesedwards]

Hold up let me get this right. You said if a guy is into a TGIRL, and is more interested in the cock that's homoish? Now the other night you told me TGirls are women am I right? So if the guy likes the cock and she is consider A WOMAN how is that being a homo? Lets say the guy likes just fucking her asshole, and lets say she just wanna top, but he don't want her to top he wants her asshole to fuck all the time, is that being a homo? Lets say a guy likes a TGIRL because she is a woman and he wants her to have tits and she doesn't want tits, is he a homo?

I for one like a versatile TGirl and we get into BDSM etc so my focus is not the cock only. I'm more loving the fact she can dominate me and love doing it. But I don't think people should be called a homo just because they love a part of a tgirl that others don't . How would you feel if you told someone who is not into TGirls at all and you told them you were a woman yet you have a cock or had an operation and they told you "NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE NO TGIRLS YOU'RE A FUCKING HOMO WITH A IDIOTIC TITLE TO EXCUSE YOU FROM BEING A HOMO".
How would you feel?

I would of thought we got past all the titles here. smh




Sweetie that's exactly what i'm trying to say.i'm the same as any woman cock or no cock.
You're the one who made the argument that if it wasn't about the dick than why not just stick to gg woman.
I can't speak for any of the men here but some people see the woman in me, the femininity that I exude and that is what attracts them.their attraction to me has nothing to do with me being a chick with a dick.i'm just a woman.
i'm not saying your like this but there are guys out there that are overly cock focused.when you can't appreciate a woman for who she is and her dick is what means the most to you than to me its homosexual.I think some guys need to be honest and ask themselves would I still be interested in her post op? If not than it was never about the woman she is (cause that doesn't change) but about the cock.how does no one else find it weird that when a girl losses the most masculine aspect of herself some of y'all become disinterested...doesn't exactly scream hetero to me.

[jamesedwards]

:dead-1::dead-1::dead-1::dead-1:
this is A FUCKING CLASSIC LOL LMAO OH MY FUCKING GAWD, you said

"her legs high up in the air, getting ass-reamed by a giant prick while her own swollen limpy is oozing a glistening string of viscous goo and suddenly squirts and pools in her nava



I don't watch much TG-porn,
but when I do...
I skip directly to the scene where the girl is on her back, her eyes up in her head, her lips in an O and emitting incoherent cooing noises, her legs high up in the air, getting ass-reamed by a giant prick while her own swollen limpy is oozing a glistening string of viscous goo and suddenly squirts and pools in her naval.

[danthepoetman]

Sweetie that's exactly what i'm trying to say.i'm the same as any woman cock or no cock.
You're the one who made the argument that if it wasn't about the dick than why not just stick to gg woman.
I can't speak for any of the men here but some people see the woman in me, the femininity that I exude and that is what attracts them.their attraction to me has nothing to do with me being a chick with a dick.i'm just a woman.
Amber is absolutely right. I see t-women as women, absolutely, completely, without any restriction or hesitation. They ARE women! That’s as simple as that. The fact that some of them have a wiener is totally inconsequential to me; I will still see them and treat them exactly as I would any other woman, because that’s what they are. And it’s so easy to sense and to feel when you know women!
Personally, I would naturally tend to call myself “hetero”, because I’ve never been anything else and because I’ve never even entertain the idea of being intimate with a man. The mere idea repulses me. I’m a top only, and in fact the simple suggestion by a girl to penetrate me would destroy any kind of sensuality with me. I want to do to t-women exactly the same thing I want to do to women: kiss them everywhere, lick them, caress them, be tender to them and penetrate them; take advantage (in the best sense of the word) of their beauty and softness, take advantage of their femininity.
A penis on a woman is nothing more than a particularity, like big vulva labia are, or a big clitoris, or red hair. Why then, don’t I stick with g-women? First, why would I, since t-women are women? Secondly, every bit the same way I could like big labia, I find the little extra to be sometimes lovely and different. Besides, I’ve watched porn with g-women all my life (for pretty much 40 years now; when I was young, only in specialized cinemas because there were no vcr or dvd and of course, none on tv); t-women presents a cute extra and that’s it -anyways, there’s conventional porn every night on my pay tv… Yet, it’s absolutely not their cock in itself that interest me, and outside the will to make sure a girl has pleasure, I really don’t mind if she gets hard or not during sex. In fact, I’m happier if she prefers not to, and I’ve met t-women who hated their cock and didn’t want guys to even touch it. The best oral sex I like to give a t-woman is an analingus; the rest is accessory to me, and what I like to do with their cock is just be tender like with any other woman's organs.
When I see Amber, I see a woman. I desire her as a woman. When I talk with her, she’s obviously a woman to me (and can drive me nuts like any woman, by the way, in any conversation; God, can she ever!).
We, guys like that, exist. We’re there. I don’t know why there is such suspicion about us every time we speak up and asserts what we like. We generally don’t put in question other guy’s sexuality; why are we the one to seem so suspicious?
I hesitated to get mixed up in this thread because in a recent one, I obviously offended some people. It wasn’t and it still isn’t my intention. To me, that’s just the way things are, that’s just the way I am.


i'm not saying your like this but there are guys out there that are overly cock focused.when you can't appreciate a woman for who she is and her dick is what means the most to you than to me its homosexual.I think some guys need to be honest and ask themselves would I still be interested in her post op? If not than it was never about the woman she is (cause that doesn't change) but about the cock.how does no one else find it weird that when a girl losses the most masculine aspect of herself some of y'all become disinterested...doesn't exactly scream hetero to me.
I must admit this is somewhat my gut feeling too. I’m just honest about it. But I’m not judging it! I don’t condemn it! And in fact, I would rather say, let’s just throw away these labels, because most of the time, even when you don’t mean them to be, they are offensive and hurtful. We shouldn’t use the terms gay or straight on this site especially, in my opinion (I know I have done it a few times; it was for practical reasons, but I still think it was a mistake on my part). At best, practical denominations should be “top”, “bottom” and “versatile”; we would understand each other enough with these words. We should also respect each other on this site because we are all part of a single community, like Prospero alluded to recently on another thread. And we all have a particular understanding of a topic which is misunderstood outside here. We all have so much more in common than what separates us, here. We should build on this and be constructive. We should be one of the bases of education to people outside of here. I’m stopping there because I’m afraid to become corny or to sound like a politician. I’m sure you all get the picture…

[GoddessAthena85]

[QUOTE=danthepoetman;1215865]Amber is absolutely right. I see t-women as women, absolutely, completely, without any restriction or hesitation. They ARE women! That’s as simple as that. The fact that some of them have a wiener is totally inconsequential to me; I will still see them and treat them exactly as I would any other woman, because that’s what they are. And it’s so easy to sense and to feel when you know women!

Thanks, I understand what each girl likes will vary, as will what each guy likes. This is ok and perfect, there is someone for everyone. hopefully enough to have a variety to choose from so you aren't left with only sexual compatibility. That's just not enough. lol.

"I hesitated to get mixed up in this thread...."

So did I, for various reasons, there where some statements that I just didn't have the desire to combat because they felt like they may lead to a place I just didn't have the energy for this evening. Any one who get's to know me will know my preferred roles, the fact is to put if lightly If I feel a guy appears to like me and I know Is, ok with, likes, or loves my Shenis, that's fine but if I feel He doesn't treat me the same as he would if it wasn't there then my favorite position is simply with another Man. Seems like my job leaves me far away from all the great guys I do know. I meet them then end up in a new city. Booo :( such is life.

" At best, practical denominations should be “top”, “bottom” and “versatile”; we would understand each other enough with these words. We should also respect each other on this site because we are all part of a single community,"

If Boxes must be checked for clarification purposes I think these are a good way to go. I'm not trying to change the world here, people will do what they do. I just hate to miss out on a good part of a thread because poor language was chosen that made me completely skip over it. It wouldn't be the first time. Ok on that note. sweet dreams...

[RallyCola]

reading comprehension was clearly a subject some in this thread failed miserably.

this is a pointless thread because we are debating tangentially so much that it has become nonsensical. i will continue to stir the pot when i see one of you say some outlandish shit but really...some of you need to get over yourselves and realize that this is just sex..do and look at what makes you happy

[amberskyi]

Hold up let me get this right. You said if a guy is into a TGIRL, and is more interested in the cock that's homoish? Now the other night you told me TGirls are women am I right? So if the guy likes the cock and she is consider A WOMAN how is that being a homo? Lets say the guy likes just fucking her asshole, and lets say she just wanna top, but he don't want her to top he wants her asshole to fuck all the time, is that being a homo? Lets say a guy likes a TGIRL because she is a woman and he wants her to have tits and she doesn't want tits, is he a homo?

I for one like a versatile TGirl and we get into BDSM etc so my focus is not the cock only. I'm more loving the fact she can dominate me and love doing it. But I don't think people should be called a homo just because they love a part of a tgirl that others don't . How would you feel if you told someone who is not into TGirls at all and you told them you were a woman yet you have a cock or had an operation and they told you "NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE NO TGIRLS YOU'RE A FUCKING HOMO WITH A IDIOTIC TITLE TO EXCUSE YOU FROM BEING A HOMO".
How would you feel?

I would of thought we got past all the titles here. smh

The last time I got called homo was when I was a dude so that argument isn't relevant.
I don't care what anyone has to say if your main reason your attracted to me is because I have a dick than its gay.I have full soft lips,a round jiggly ass and perky breast but what you find the most sexually exciting is my cock?!?!...yea, that's very hetero lol
Its one thing to be like she's sexy and she has a penis, wow.it's another thing to be like her penis is hot

[danthepoetman]

Thanks, I understand what each girl likes will vary, as will what each guy likes. This is ok and perfect, there is someone for everyone. hopefully enough to have a variety to choose from so you aren't left with only sexual compatibility. That's just not enough. lol.
You’re right, Athena, and I respect that. Several girls here on HA have different preferences, and I respect them as much as I like them… I’m stating here the way I feel like, not the way I think others should. :)



did I, for various reasons, there where some statements that I just didn't have the desire to combat because they felt like they may lead to a place I just didn't have the energy for this evening. Any one who get's to know me will know my preferred roles, the fact is to put if lightly If I feel a guy appears to like me and I know Is, ok with, likes, or loves my Shenis, that's fine but if I feel He doesn't treat me the same as he would if it wasn't there then my favorite position is simply with another Man. Seems like my job leaves me far away from all the great guys I do know. I meet them then end up in a new city. Booo :( such is life.
Athena, you’re such a lovely, bright, desirable young woman; even with such a life, you’ll eventually find someone who just won’t let it go and find some way to make it work! If someone like you can’t find true love, nobody can. ;)

[jamesedwards]

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree: With you on that.




Amber is absolutely right. I see t-women as women, absolutely, completely, without any restriction or hesitation. They ARE women! That’s as simple as that.

[jamesedwards]

.some of you need to get over yourselves and realize that this is just sex..do and look at what makes you happy

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree: TRUE DAT!!!!

[jamesedwards]

The last time I got called homo was when I was a dude so that argument isn't relevant.
I don't care what anyone has to say if your main reason your attracted to me is because I have a dick than its gay.I have full soft lips,a round jiggly ass and perky breast but what you find the most sexually exciting is my cock?!?!...yea, that's very hetero lol
Its one thing to be like she's sexy and she has a penis, wow.it's another thing to be like her penis is hot

hUMMMM OK, you didn't answer my questions all you did is tell me what you thought from what you said earlier, ok cool.
The thing is an outsider would call you a homo whether you're a dude or TGirl because YOU LIKE GUYS WITH A COCK because YOU HAVE A COCK!!! It was you and a couple of others one time that said "WE SHOULD GET RID OF CALLING PEOPLE LABELS" yet at this point you will call SOMEONE HOMO because they like the cock on a TGirl.

My point is, if a guy likes strictly any part on a TGirl is he a homo? If a guy likes strictly cock on a TGIRL=WOMAN he shouldn't be seen as a homo because as you said A TGIRL IS A WOMAN, and it's ok to like what you like without being called a name.

Just as RallyCola said "some of you need to get over yourselves and realize that this is just sex..do and look at what makes you happy"

Now if the guy is wanting the cock of another GUY=MAN who isn't a TGirl that's homo.

The definition of a homosexual is "a person who gets involve with another person of the same sex and has sex with that person and becomes emotionally attached".

So Amber if you see yourself as a woman and he loves just your cock on paper and technically he's not a homo, that's where I am getting to. I believe you are giving personal definition instead of using the correct definition because YOU want to be saw after not just for your cock but your mind, ass, tits, legs etc.
So that's not cool to call someone who loves just the cock of a TGirl homo.

I do understand where you are coming from. For me I love all of a TGirl from head to toe. And I accept her as she is and her cock.

[jamesedwards]

Dan oh Dan, I see you, SMOOOOOOOOOOTH AS WHIP CREAM!!! LOL I see you :dead-1: getting your mac on with GoddessAthena lol She should give you a chance you have my support!!!!!




You’re right, Athena, and I respect that. Several girls here on HA have different preferences, and I respect them as much as I like them… I’m stating here the way I feel like, not the way I think others should. :)



Athena, you’re such a lovely, bright, desirable young woman; even with such a life, you’ll eventually find someone who just won’t let it go and find some way to make it work! If someone like you can’t find true love, nobody can. ;)

[LibertyHarkness]

what about TS topping Genetic girls ? does that turn you guys off that dont like seeing girls topping ? is the sheer fact that a TS uses their cock for penetration or the fact that they stick it up a mans asshole ?

[jamesedwards]

what about TS topping Genetic girls ? does that turn you guys off that dont like seeing girls topping ? is the sheer fact that a TS uses their cock for penetration or the fact that they stick it up a mans asshole ?

It really doesn't do anything for me I like to see a TGirl with a guy , but I seen a couple of scenes where TGirls lay down the law with a GG and I got aroused but it's not something I look for . That would be like a woman on woman thing to me, as Amber said "A TGIRL IS A WOMAN"

[LibertyHarkness]

ok ... see me i mostly only shoot with females as i am not really into men .... i like the feeling of being fucked , but that can be from a man , a ts or a girl with strapon ...

in real life i have brazilian female girlfriend i am dating ...

Yes i am a woman ,, but many women are lesbians , and like women , many women are bisexual etc ...

[jamesedwards]

ok ... see me i mostly only shoot with females as i am not really into men .... i like the feeling of being fucked , but that can be from a man , a ts or a girl with strapon ...

in real life i have brazilian female girlfriend i am dating ...

Yes i am a woman ,, but many women are lesbians , and like women , many women are bisexual etc ...

Oh, ok, see I can see what you mean, yet some will scrutinize you for saying you like women, but that's what YOU like and you have the right to like what you like, HAVE YOURSELF A BLAST!!! I wouldn't even put a label on it, you are you and you have fun with who you want. GO FOR IT AND WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT TO CUM PUT UP THE DUCES AND GIVE ME A SHOUT OUT!! LMAO

Let me ask you do you enjoy pounding a girl in the pussy or the ass? or both?

Liberty you have an amazing body and you look good, I love this pic of you

http://www.libertyharknessblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/cyberman-e1346148873700.jpg

I would like to see you get down with a girl but as I said I don't get into TGirls on girls unless there is some serious BDSM and domination going and she pounding the shit outta that chick LOL

[RallyCola]

The last time I got called homo was when I was a dude so that argument isn't relevant.
I don't care what anyone has to say if your main reason your attracted to me is because I have a dick than its gay.I have full soft lips,a round jiggly ass and perky breast but what you find the most sexually exciting is my cock?!?!...yea, that's very hetero lol
Its one thing to be like she's sexy and she has a penis, wow.it's another thing to be like her penis is hot

oh silly girl, if that is what you consider yourself. by definition, homosexual acts between 2 people means that the 2 people are of the same sex...so if you think the man you are with is a bit homo, then by definition, you are a gay man. its the logical conclusion to your judgement on your partner that has to be reversed on you.

next...if you can pay attention long enough...i never said i was attracted to cock...i said that the only thing you have to offer me that i can't find on a ggirl is a cock. that is all. there is a difference in the 2 statements that you need to understand but clearly don't want to.

[LibertyHarkness]

lol yes i dont give a shit what others think of me for liking females .. i dont mind guys and i can happily have sex with guys for pay or shoots ...it doesnt offend me etc or disgust me ..

just in my own life i fancy women mostly , though there is a couple of men i think are fucking hot .. haha

xx

[RallyCola]

ok ... see me i mostly only shoot with females as i am not really into men .... i like the feeling of being fucked , but that can be from a man , a ts or a girl with strapon ...

in real life i have brazilian female girlfriend i am dating ...

Yes i am a woman ,, but many women are lesbians , and like women , many women are bisexual etc ...

libby...first off, i'm all for t on g scenes. they fit quite well into this porn genre...but more importantly, as you well know, outside of porn, you have to be with you makes you happy and if men generally don't do it for you, then more power to you for finding the right girl.

[tsadriana]

I can't say how much I fucking hate that why not just be with a gg argument.Trans woman have so much more to offer than just dick.I get that its just porn so of course I guess the attraction is just superficial....never mind, i'm just going to shut up.
Amber is another reason why guys goes with t-women...First of all at least once they wants to touch a cock ,suck or take it up his arse....I bet u was dealing many times with the question "if i have sex with a trans makes me a gay?" They don`t have knowledge of the meaning of trans .All they know is from internet movies etc...And we can`t blaime them for that ....Internet is the blaime for giving fake details about being a transwoman.

[jamesedwards]

by definition, homosexual acts between 2 people means that the 2 people are of the same sex...so if you think the man you are with is a bit homo, then by definition, you are a gay man. its the logical conclusion to your judgement on your partner that has to be reversed on you. .

:iagree:ROGER THAT!!!!

From what I see Amber is a bottom girl and in her mind she sees that a man should want a bottom girl and not look for a versatile TGirl, which I don't agree with because there are different variations of TGirls, if they were all the same it wouldn't be any fun. Just like there are different variations of GG's, some do pussy only fucking, some do pussy and anal, some don't suck dick some do, some like to fuck women with a strapon, some like fucking men with strapon or both women and men, etc this is the point. and I see Amber letting what SHE thinks it should be blind her without dealing with correct definitions and what is logic. That's what I was trying to get her to see if she is calling someone a homo then she is a homo also by definition or else she is calling someone a name/label which she said long ago we need to stop yet she is giving a label to someone who has the right to just like cock or any other part on a TGirl they like without being scrutinized for it.

I thought this is the one place you can come and be open, I guess I am wronger than a motha fucka!!!

[jamesedwards]

lol yes i dont give a shit what others think of me for liking females .. i dont mind guys and i can happily have sex with guys for pay or shoots ...it doesnt offend me etc or disgust me ..

just in my own life i fancy women mostly , though there is a couple of men i think are fucking hot .. haha

xx

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree: LH I am with you ALL THE WAY ON THAT, DO YOUR THING BABY!!!!

[RallyCola]

I thought this is the one place you can come and be open, I guess I am wronger than a motha fucka!!!



oh, its very open, as long as you agree with the masses and don't ever state your opposing view and expect that anyone can actually read, digest, comprehend then answer. i'm sure 1/2 of my posts (since they are long) are never fully read before someone goes off reactionary and posts a ill-thought out rebuttal

[jamesedwards]

Well I must say your pic is delicious, oh my, you have a nice ass I could see me sucking your asshole until you black out lol hahahah lmao Sorry for going off topic but dammmmmI would eat that asshole good. That's a deep fetish of mines. Am I a homo cause I like to suck your asshole? LOL :dead-1:



Amber is another reason why guys goes with t-women...First of all at least once they wants to touch a cock ,suck or take it up his arse....I bet u was dealing many times with the question "if i have sex with a trans makes me a gay?" They don`t have knowledge of the meaning of trans .All they know is from internet movies etc...And we can`t blaime them for that ....Internet is the blaime for giving fake details about being a transwoman.

[RallyCola]

in fact...since amber wants to make this about labeling a guy...lets try it another way.

if a tgirl WANTS TO FUCK A DUDE IN THE ASS...if she absolutely loves sticking her cock inside a hairy ugly man-ass...what does that make her?

[tsadriana]

Originally Posted by jamesedwards
From what I see Amber is a bottom girl and in her mind she sees that a man should want a bottom girl and not look for a versatile TGirl, which I don't agree with because there are different variations of TGirls, if they were all the same it wouldn't be any fun. Just like there are different variations of GG's, some do pussy only fucking, some do pussy and anal, some don't suck dick some do, some like to fuck women with a strapon, some like fucking men with strapon or both women and men, etc this is the point.
__________________________________________________ ______________
Agreed with u a bit ,but the bottom line is that the all guys thinks that t-women needs to be versatile or to fuck a guy.....Lets face it how many threads about bottom girls u read in here everyday?

[jamesedwards]

oh, its very open, as long as you agree with the masses and don't ever state your opposing view and expect that anyone can actually read, digest, comprehend then answer. i'm sure 1/2 of my posts (since they are long) are never fully read before someone goes off reactionary and posts a ill-thought out rebuttal

Then fuck'em because if it's not right Ima speak up and I am not the type to be a YES MAN, I know my shit and if it's wrong Ima speak up. I ain't agreeing cause everyone else does fuck that shit.

You hit it on the head RallyCola with that one!!! :iagree:

So I guess I will be an enemy of the state :-)

[jamesedwards]

Originally Posted by jamesedwards
From what I see Amber is a bottom girl and in her mind she sees that a man should want a bottom girl and not look for a versatile TGirl, which I don't agree with because there are different variations of TGirls, if they were all the same it wouldn't be any fun. Just like there are different variations of GG's, some do pussy only fucking, some do pussy and anal, some don't suck dick some do, some like to fuck women with a strapon, some like fucking men with strapon or both women and men, etc this is the point.
__________________________________________________ ______________
Agreed with u a bit ,but the bottom line is that the all guys thinks that t-women needs to be versatile or to fuck a guy.....Lets face it how many threads about bottom girls u read in here everyday?

Well I see a few threads of guys saying they love bottoms only and a few heated threads where guys who love bottom TGirls calling people homos discussed frequently, from my view. But what I am saying it's ok to like what you like,, no one should be called a homo especially here.

[RallyCola]

Amber is another reason why guys goes with t-women...First of all at least once they wants to touch a cock ,suck or take it up his arse....I bet u was dealing many times with the question "if i have sex with a trans makes me a gay?" They don`t have knowledge of the meaning of trans .All they know is from internet movies etc...And we can`t blaime them for that ....Internet is the blaime for giving fake details about being a transwoman.

that would mean that all transwomen everywhere are identical and that no transwoman out there enjoys things you do not. clearly your generalization about transwomen is not all-inclusive and you are doing little to change that with your behavior here. if you want to glorify transwomen and change opinions, posting pictures of your asshole on a porn forum isn't going to do it so get off your fucking high horse

[tsadriana]

Well I see a few threads of guys saying they love bottoms only and a few heated threads where guys who love bottom TGirls calling people homos discussed frequently, from my view. But what I am saying it's ok to like what you like,, no one should be called a homo especially here.

Well i will never call someone homosexual not my thing ,but is a small percentage of guys who date t-girls and all they see is her cock ,the rest of her body is transparent...What that girl can think then in ur opinion?

[tsadriana]

that would mean that all transwomen everywhere are identical and that no transwoman out there enjoys things you do not. clearly your generalization about transwomen is not all-inclusive and you are doing little to change that with your behavior here. if you want to glorify transwomen and change opinions, posting pictures of your asshole on a porn forum isn't going to do it so get off your fucking high horse
Hey i din`t generalize ok?And another thing what u know about transexual?I din`t said that all transexuals are the same ....All ive said that many of men think that transwomen are the same .....Read again....And if i have pics with my bottom in here i don`t think im the only one who has that.

[RallyCola]

Agreed with u a bit ,but the bottom line is that the all guys thinks that t-women needs to be versatile or to fuck a guy.....Lets face it how many threads about bottom girls u read in here everyday?

WOW....really? if that were true, this thread would not exist. clearly many on this board feel that a girl should always bottom...hence this thread even exists. do you think before you write?

let's face it...all women, (g or t) have preferences sexually...the key is finding one that you can mesh with or teach so you can have a healthy sexual relationship. that is all. if i want a girl to fuck me with her strap on or her real cock, then that's what i'm going to find.

you know...lost in this is cock sucking. people rarely bring up or debate that sucking a tgirl cock wrong/right or top/bottom...it is always just about ass play. methinks too many of you are too confused and live in a fantasy land when it comes to labels and definitions....just do whatever makes you happy and let others do the same and stop trying to pigeonhole them into your finite definitions.

[Prospero]

RallyCola wrote: "just do whatever makes you happy and let others do the same and stop trying to pigeonhole them into your finite definitions."

Amen to that!

[tsadriana]

WOW....really? if that were true, this thread would not exist. clearly many on this board feel that a girl should always bottom...hence this thread even exists. do you think before you write?

let's face it...all women, (g or t) have preferences sexually...the key is finding one that you can mesh with or teach so you can have a healthy sexual relationship. that is all. if i want a girl to fuck me with her strap on or her real cock, then that's what i'm going to find.

you know...lost in this is cock sucking. people rarely bring up or debate that sucking a tgirl cock wrong/right or top/bottom...it is always just about ass play. methinks too many of you are too confused and live in a fantasy land when it comes to labels and definitions....just do whatever makes you happy and let others do the same and stop trying to pigeonhole them into your finite definitions.
Listen u can be woteva u want to be...People are not the same we don`t think the same u have ur own desires ,i have mine ,i don`t judge u for what u like ,is ur chocie ur pleasure but in the same sentence bottom girls should not be judged just because they are bottom.....

[RallyCola]

Hey i din`t generalize ok?And another thing what u know about transexual?I din`t said that all transexuals are the same ....All ive said that many of men think that transwomen are the same .....Read again....And if i have pics with my bottom in here i don`t think im the only one who has that.

1) what do i know about transsexuals? well, other than what i have read on the internet, quite a bit actually. 1/2 of my research fellowship is grounded in gender dysphoria.

2) you are the one that said the internet is to blame for apparent mis-information...but you are part of perpetuating that information with your ass-shots. others that have pics of themselves are not claiming misinformation where you are. so...your claim of not being the only one holds no water. if every tgirl in here jumped off the brooklyn bridge, does that make it ok for you to do? if every tgirl in here decided that topping was the way of the future, does that mean you have to top? no, so be an example of proper information or not...just don't think you are anything special because you say one thing yet want men to adore your asshole

[tsadriana]

1) what do i know about transsexuals? well, other than what i have read on the internet, quite a bit actually. 1/2 of my research fellowship is grounded in gender dysphoria.

2) you are the one that said the internet is to blame for apparent mis-information...but you are part of perpetuating that information with your ass-shots. others that have pics of themselves are not claiming misinformation where you are. so...your claim of not being the only one holds no water. if every tgirl in here jumped off the brooklyn bridge, does that make it ok for you to do? if every tgirl in here decided that topping was the way of the future, does that mean you have to top? no, so be an example of proper information or not...just don't think you are anything special because you say one thing yet want men to adore your asshole
I dont need men to adore my asshole ,im not here to make fans with my bumhole im here to chat like everyone else ,im here for a laugh ,for a debate and is obvious that we cant be all agreed in everything.Everyone has their own right to say their opinion without being pushed in the conner.

[amberskyi]

oh silly girl, if that is what you consider yourself. by definition, homosexual acts between 2 people means that the 2 people are of the same sex...so if you think the man you are with is a bit homo, then by definition, you are a gay man. its the logical conclusion to your judgement on your partner that has to be reversed on you.

next...if you can pay attention long enough...i never said i was attracted to cock...i said that the only thing you have to offer me that i can't find on a ggirl is a cock. that is all. there is a difference in the 2 statements that you need to understand but clearly don't want to.

To be honest I think some Trans attracted men don't really see us as woman but as a safe and familiar way to explore their gay fantasies and desires.
And stop taking this argument personally.I think I said quite a few times that i'm not saying this about you specifically.i'm talking in general about a group of men that value cock more than the woman.

[amberskyi]

:iagree:ROGER THAT!!!!

From what I see Amber is a bottom girl and in her mind she sees that a man should want a bottom girl and not look for a versatile TGirl, which I don't agree with because there are different variations of TGirls, if they were all the same it wouldn't be any fun. Just like there are different variations of GG's, some do pussy only fucking, some do pussy and anal, some don't suck dick some do, some like to fuck women with a strapon, some like fucking men with strapon or both women and men, etc this is the point. and I see Amber letting what SHE thinks it should be blind her without dealing with correct definitions and what is logic. That's what I was trying to get her to see if she is calling someone a homo then she is a homo also by definition or else she is calling someone a name/label which she said long ago we need to stop yet she is giving a label to someone who has the right to just like cock or any other part on a TGirl they like without being scrutinized for it.

I thought this is the one place you can come and be open, I guess I am wronger than a motha fucka!!!


I'm not talking about bottoming or topping.i'm actually mildly verse my damn self,I just prefer to bottom more often.
The point i'm making is that some men are attracted to Trans woman because she is a woman and that's what attracted them and then for others it's all about the cock.
I'm not going to keep explaining the same thing over and over.
If you don't get it oh well

[Prospero]

A fair point Amber.

But most of us guys here can only speak for our own experience and predilictions. I wondered if I might be "gay" and so tested that. Went and saw a man. Urghhh. I found being with a guy a massive and complete turn-off and won't be replaying that. I now know that I am not gay in the generally accepted sense of the word. I suspect many, many of the guys here are like me - even if they've not "tested to destruction" the possibillty of being gay.

For me the girl - topping and bottoming - is still very much a girl. It is the overall feminine nature that matters. Transsexuals are women. That I like to top and bottom is my thing - and doesn't in my view, make me any less of a man or make me gay.

But as RallyCola said - let's let the labels go.

We are who we are. And if someone wants to label me gay or homo or what other label they consider to be an insult so be it. I really do not care. (And i don't consider gay an insult anyway. It's natural and many many men and women are gay).

[Prospero]

James - stop shouting!

[amberskyi]

hUMMMM OK, you didn't answer my questions all you did is tell me what you thought from what you said earlier, ok cool.
The thing is an outsider would call you a homo whether you're a dude or TGirl because YOU LIKE GUYS WITH A COCK because YOU HAVE A COCK!!! It was you and a couple of others one time that said "WE SHOULD GET RID OF CALLING PEOPLE LABELS" yet at this point you will call SOMEONE HOMO because they like the cock on a TGirl.

My point is, if a guy likes strictly any part on a TGirl is he a homo? If a guy likes strictly cock on a TGIRL=WOMAN he shouldn't be seen as a homo because as you said A TGIRL IS A WOMAN, and it's ok to like what you like without being called a name.

Just as RallyCola said "some of you need to get over yourselves and realize that this is just sex..do and look at what makes you happy"

Now if the guy is wanting the cock of another GUY=MAN who isn't a TGirl that's homo.

The definition of a homosexual is "a person who gets involve with another person of the same sex and has sex with that person and becomes emotionally attached".

So Amber if you see yourself as a woman and he loves just your cock on paper and technically he's not a homo, that's where I am getting to. I believe you are giving personal definition instead of using the correct definition because YOU want to be saw after not just for your cock but your mind, ass, tits, legs etc.
So that's not cool to call someone who loves just the cock of a TGirl homo.

I do understand where you are coming from. For me I love all of a TGirl from head to toe. And I accept her as she is and her cock.



So let me ask you, if the girl you were digging got srs would you still find her sexy, attractive and still be interested? If yes than awesome because than your attraction wasn't just rooted in her genitals but the woman she is.if no, than clearly it was only about her cock.
When i'm with a guy of course I want him to find all of me attractive and sexually exciting including my cock because it's apart of who I am.I just don't want my cock to be the reason he is attracted to me if you can understand that...

[amberskyi]

A fair point Amber.

But most of us guys here can only speak for our own experience and predilictions. I wondered if I might be "gay" and so tested that. Went and saw a man. Urghhh. I found being with a guy a massive and complete turn-off and won't be replaying that. I now know that I am not gay in the generally accepted sense of the word. I suspect many, many of the guys here are like me - even if they've not "tested to destruction" the possibillty of being gay.

For me the girl - topping and bottoming - is still very much a girl. It is the overall feminine nature that matters. Transsexuals are women. That I like to top and bottom is my thing - and doesn't in my view, make me any less of a man or make me gay.

But as RallyCola said - let's let the labels go.

We are who we are. And if someone wants to label me gay or homo or what other label they consider to be an insult so be it. I really do not care. (And i don't consider gay an insult anyway. It's natural and many many men and women are gay).
I don't consider it an insult either,I love gay people lol.

[RallyCola]

So let me ask you, if the girl you were digging got srs would you still find her sexy, attractive and still be interested? If yes than awesome because than your attraction wasn't just rooted in her genitals but the woman she is.if no, than clearly it was only about her cock.
When i'm with a guy of course I want him to find all of me attractive and sexually exciting including my cock because it's apart of who I am.I just don't want my cock to be the reason he is attracted to me if you can understand that...

i am still in love with danielle foxxx, mickelly miranda and sexxy jade to name a few (though clearly i have more reason to adore danielle as she remained active where the other 2 stopped making porn). one of my favorite girls in the game is carmen kasper, and i've only known her as a post-op.

it is never about the pre- vs post- op status for me...it is about the girl, how she looks and how she acts. as long as you are a feminine girl that is easy on the eyes, how we make each other cum is irrelevant. now there are occasional exceptions to the rule because some girls i really dig are not super feminine at all (IMHO), but that's rare

[Quiet Reflections]

I agree grim. Watching a girl top isn't for me either. To each his own, I just personally don't enjoy any part of it.

[amberskyi]

i am still in love with danielle foxxx, mickelly miranda and sexxy jade to name a few (though clearly i have more reason to adore danielle as she remained active where the other 2 stopped making porn). one of my favorite girls in the game is carmen kasper, and i've only known her as a post-op.

it is never about the pre- vs post- op status for me...it is about the girl, how she looks and how she acts. as long as you are a feminine girl that is easy on the eyes, how we make each other cum is irrelevant. now there are occasional exceptions to the rule because some girls i really dig are not super feminine at all (IMHO), but that's rare

Than good sir I wasn't talking about you.
I'm not even sure how I got here..oh wait yes I do lol.the whole just be with a gg comment set me off.I don't think you meant it this way (I don't think) but allot of guys use that argument against girls who bottom or get srs and also against the guys who state that their attraction to Trans woman isn't about cock.it kinda implies that t girls are only as good a their cock and what they can do with it.it's very invalidating to us as woman and if you don't truly see me as a woman than the attraction has to have a homosexual origin.
Do you see where i'm coming from now?

[danthepoetman]

May I offer a theory which, as far as I can tell, hasn’t been really explicitly expressed? It’s obvious that many t-women have different likings, different sexual turn on. As Libby said (and I for one loves Liberty, love and appreciate her beauty and her wit), she loves women but not any differently from any other lesbian woman, to take an example.
Yet every transsexual woman wants to be recognized as a woman! That’s precisely what’s so difficult, and in fact terrible, with transsexuality: the inner identity doesn’t fit the external morphology. The desire of every t-woman is to change the outside appearance to fit the inner sense of identity, in other words, to be as much a woman on the outside as she is on the inside. We men have to realize how hard, demanding, gut wrenching and terribly scary this must be, how much courage and dedication such a process must take, how much excruciating efforts must be required to accomplish that. The requirement for a transsexual woman is a total and absolute investment of self, a total investment of their own life to become what they feel to be in the first place.
Therefore, by the simplest of logics, we have to understand that feelings on the matter will be sensible. A transsexual woman, whatever her sexual orientation is, will be hurt, legitimately, by any kind of conduct, any kind of hint from someone, that he/she doesn’t consider her a woman. Any attitude toward a t-woman from someone who seems to reflect in any way, shape or form, the thought that she is not a woman, or only half a woman, or not a “real” woman, will be hurtful, and once again ever so legitimately. And I think it’s precisely the problem we’ve been facing on a regular basis, on HA.
In the end, what’s hurtful to a t-woman, I would suggest, is not that a man would want to be penetrated, because as was alluded to, some girls are ok with that. It’s more the way this will be asked by a man; if it is asked and practices by a man in a way that still shadows in no way the femininity of a woman, I’m sure she’ll be fine with it. But if such desires from a man are expressed in such a way as to shake or shatter the lady’s sense of femininity, it will appear hurtful to her, obviously. And so on for ANY other attitude!
Transsexual women simply want men to recognize their femininity; but not just in words, also with their actions, also with their demeanour and their general attitude. In other words, I suggest it might not be so much WHAT the man wants, but the WAY he wants it, and the way he asks for it.
As far as Amber is concerned, she already have said that she’s not opposed to topping from time to time. I think I understand from her, that if a man is too insisting on being constantly penetrated, or in general shows any other kind of fixation on her penis, he is simply not making her feel like a woman, in other words, like what and who she really is, and who she’s fighting so hard to be in her life.
Many such discussions we’re having only revolves around sexual activities in themselves, but never ever on feelings, never on psychological aspect of sexuality and identity. This is an opportunity to address such a question, for once… :)

[Prospero]

Good post Dan

[jamesedwards]

in fact...since amber wants to make this about labeling a guy...lets try it another way.

if a tgirl WANTS TO FUCK A DUDE IN THE ASS...if she absolutely loves sticking her cock inside a hairy ugly man-ass...what does that make her?

:shock: OH MY DAM. whewwwwwwwwwwww

[jamesedwards]

Well i will never call someone homosexual not my thing ,but is a small percentage of guys who date t-girls and all they see is her cock ,the rest of her body is transparent...What that girl can think then in ur opinion?

I mean he he just loves her cock, I don't see that she should call him a homo, what if he just loves her feet, or just her tits? she would say "OH HE ADMIRES MY TITS " See no homo calling, so there should be no homo calling if he just loves the cock. If he were a homo he would get a guy but it's obvious that he likes the girl in the TGirl but has a fetish for her cock, that's all.
A TGirl is a woman that's what Amber told me so if the guy loves only her cock how can he be a homo if he loves her cock and it's attached to A WOMAN? To be a homo you have to like the same sex and have sex with the same sex and be emotionally attached to that same sex person.

So I can turn and call Amber a homo because she has a cock and like men with cocks. But I won't stoop that low to do that, but I know others outside this community will call her a homo, or gay, or crazy!!!

See my point?

[jamesedwards]

WOW....really? if that were true, this thread would not exist. clearly many on this board feel that a girl should always bottom...hence this thread even exists. do you think before you write?

let's face it...all women, (g or t) have preferences sexually...the key is finding one that you can mesh with or teach so you can have a healthy sexual relationship. that is all. if i want a girl to fuck me with her strap on or her real cock, then that's what i'm going to find.

you know...lost in this is cock sucking. people rarely bring up or debate that sucking a tgirl cock wrong/right or top/bottom...it is always just about ass play. methinks too many of you are too confused and live in a fantasy land when it comes to labels and definitions....just do whatever makes you happy and let others do the same and stop trying to pigeonhole them into your finite definitions.

:iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree::iagree:

[jamesedwards]

DAMMMMMMM AMBER!!!! If you would have read what I said earlier you wouldn't have even had to ask that question, see you're cool with me but you're blinded by being just a bottom to guys like me who like versatile women.

I already stated I like everything about a TGirl. If I was emotionally attached and she had SRS I would still roll with her.



So let me ask you, if the girl you were digging got srs would you still find her sexy, attractive and still be interested? If yes than awesome because than your attraction wasn't just rooted in her genitals but the woman she is.if no, than clearly it was only about her cock.
When i'm with a guy of course I want him to find all of me attractive and sexually exciting including my cock because it's apart of who I am.I just don't want my cock to be the reason he is attracted to me if you can understand that...

[amberskyi]

May I offer a theory which, as far as I can tell, hasn’t been really explicitly expressed? It’s obvious that many t-women have different likings, different sexual turn on. As Libby said (and I for one loves Liberty, love and appreciate her beauty and her wit), she loves women but not any differently from any other lesbian woman, to take an example.
Yet every transsexual woman wants to be recognized as a woman! That’s precisely what’s so difficult, and in fact terrible, with transsexuality: the inner identity doesn’t fit the external morphology. The desire of every t-woman is to change the outside appearance to fit the inner sense of identity, in other words, to be as much a woman on the outside as she is on the inside. We men have to realize how hard, demanding, gut wrenching and terribly scary this must be, how much courage and dedication such a process must take, how much excruciating efforts must be required to accomplish that. The requirement for a transsexual woman is a total and absolute investment of self, a total investment of their own life to become what they feel to be in the first place.
Therefore, by the simplest of logics, we have to understand that feelings on the matter will be sensible. A transsexual woman, whatever her sexual orientation is, will be hurt, legitimately, by any kind of conduct, any kind of hint from someone, that he/she doesn’t consider her a woman. Any attitude toward a t-woman from someone who seems to reflect in any way, shape or form, the thought that she is not a woman, or only half a woman, or not a “real” woman, will be hurtful, and once again ever so legitimately. And I think it’s precisely the problem we’ve been facing on a regular basis, on HA.
In the end, what’s hurtful to a t-woman, I would suggest, is not that a man would want to be penetrated, because as was alluded to, some girls are ok with that. It’s more the way this will be asked by a man; if it is asked and practices by a man in a way that still shadows in no way the femininity of a woman, I’m sure she’ll be fine with it. But if such desires from a man are expressed in such a way as to shake or shatter the lady’s sense of femininity, it will appear hurtful to her, obviously. And so on for ANY other attitude!
Transsexual women simply want men to recognize their femininity; but not just in words, also with their actions, also with their demeanour and their general attitude. In other words, I suggest it might not be so much WHAT the man wants, but the WAY he wants it, and the way he asks for it.
As far as Amber is concerned, she already have said that she’s not opposed to topping from time to time. I think I understand from her, that if a man is too insisting on being constantly penetrated, or in general shows any other kind of fixation on her penis, he is simply not making her feel like a woman, in other words, like what and who she really is, and who she’s fighting so hard to be in her life.
Many such discussions we’re having only revolves around sexual activities in themselves, but never ever on feelings, never on psychological aspect of sexuality and identity. This is an opportunity to address such a question, for once… :)

Beautifully stated

[bluesoul]

WOW....really? if that were true, this thread would not exist. clearly many on this board feel that a girl should always bottom...hence this thread even exists. do you think before you write?

let's face it...all women, (g or t) have preferences sexually...the key is finding one that you can mesh with or teach so you can have a healthy sexual relationship. that is all. if i want a girl to fuck me with her strap on or her real cock, then that's what i'm going to find.

you know...lost in this is cock sucking. people rarely bring up or debate that sucking a tgirl cock wrong/right or top/bottom...it is always just about ass play. methinks too many of you are too confused and live in a fantasy land when it comes to labels and definitions....just do whatever makes you happy and let others do the same and stop trying to pigeonhole them into your finite definitions.

unfortunately, this contradicts your statement about living in a fantasy land because only in such a place do people exist without labels. personally i have no problem with labels because it allows me to differentiate myself betwix the others

[jamesedwards]

NO NO NO !!!! You didn't say that you called them HOMOS!!! That's what our discussion is about and what I was asking you is not to call them homos or gay, that was the real discussion. You never made it a specific point as to some men are attracted to TGirls because she is a woman and some is all about the cock, you said "THOSE WHO ARE ABOUT THE COCK ARE HOMOS" because if you would of said this ---> "men are attracted to TGirls because she is a woman and some is all about the cock" we wouldn't have this discussion about HOMOS just loving the TGirl's cock ONLY!!! Men will like TGirls for various reason, just like Men like GG's for various reasons.

My point to you was to stop calling men homos in a sarcastically or disrespectful way just because they love the cock on a TGirl.

We already know you're a bottom and that's cool, I like versatile women but you never seen me go diss you because you're a bottom, I didn't call you a homo because you bottom only and love cock in you right? it wasn't about you being a bottom and you know it. I was asking you to stop calling guys homos that's all, If you want to continue go ahead just remember you're going to get the back lash of it back to you.



I'm not talking about bottoming or topping.i'm actually mildly verse my damn self,I just prefer to bottom more often.
The point i'm making is that some men are attracted to Trans woman because she is a woman and that's what attracted them and then for others it's all about the cock.
I'm not going to keep explaining the same thing over and over.
If you don't get it oh well

[jamesedwards]

James - stop shouting!

Oh so now you can hear me through the computer? I am typing not shouting!!!! smh

[amberskyi]

NO NO NO !!!! You didn't say that you called them HOMOS!!! That's what our discussion is about and what I was asking you is not to call them homos or gay, that was the real discussion. You never made it a specific point as to some men are attracted to TGirls because she is a woman and some is all about the cock, you said "THOSE WHO ARE ABOUT THE COCK ARE HOMOS" because if you would of said this ---> "men are attracted to TGirls because she is a woman and some is all about the cock" we wouldn't have this discussion about HOMOS just loving the TGirl's cock ONLY!!! Men will like TGirls for various reason, just like Men like GG's for various reasons.

My point to you was to stop calling men homos in a sarcastically or disrespectful way just because they love the cock on a TGirl.

We already know you're a bottom and that's cool, I like versatile women but you never seen me go diss you because you're a bottom, I didn't call you a homo because you bottom only and love cock in you right? it wasn't about you being a bottom and you know it. I was asking you to stop calling guys homos that's all, If you want to continue go ahead just remember you're going to get the back lash of it back to you.

I'll call people what I want.i'm not saying having homosexual desires is wrong.I have an opinion and i'm allowed to express it.when I start calling people fags or saying gay is gross than you can call me a bigot, close minded and whatever else.
Also you can call me whatever you like.I know what I am and what i'm not so calling me gay is no sweat off my back.shit I just might be gay, i'm in love with Michelle Rodriguez ;)
Also I suggest you read the last thing danthepoet wrote.everything he said is exactly how I feel about this matter

[jamesedwards]

I'll call people what I want.i'm not saying having homosexual desires is wrong.I have an opinion and i'm allowed to express it.when I start calling people fags or saying gay is gross than you can call me a bigot, close minded and whatever else.
Also you can call me whatever you like.I know what I am and what i'm not so calling me gay is no sweat off my back.shit I just might be gay, i'm in love with Michelle Rodriguez ;)
Also I suggest you read the last thing danthepoet wrote.everything he said is exactly how I feel about this matter

Yeah I read Dan's post.
Enough said, do you!!! I GOTCHA!!

[oifarang]

I am confused! I am also in love with Michelle Rodrigues and I defo am not a gay boy !

[jamesedwards]

I am confused! I am also in love with Michelle Rodrigues and I defo am not a gay boy !

I heard that !!!!

But are you in love with Michelle Rod over just her COCK or all of her? From what is displayed if you just love MR just for her cock YOU'RE A HOMO!!! Not my words but Amber's.

But whatever you love MR for whether it's just her cock or tits whatever, I wouldn't dream to call you anything but what you told me and you said you're not a fag and I would go by that and the fact is you like what you like.

[broncofan]

I think Amber has stated positions that are not intended to be in any way objective but based on what she prefers. I am not saying this as an attack but she seems to always universalize her experience to that of other transgender girls. She mostly bottoms and so transgenders do not want to penetrate men. It makes her feel less feminine if a man shows an interest in her penis and so therefore it is gay. And she has never been called a "homo" since she transitioned so that argument is essentially irrelevant.

Well, it's very fortunate that there's so much variation in the world. First of all, we've all established that there are plenty of transgender girls who prefer to top even if not the majority. They do not see it as an attack on their femininity so they must separate the sexual realm from the social realm to some extent and not let their activity in the former dictate how they see themselves. And btw those transgenders who enjoy topping probably do not distinguish between normal attention to their penis and excessive attention since they are using that sexual organ to derive pleasure.

Next, she claims that she doesn't see calling someone homosexual as a pejorative. This is interesting. If it were not then why the determination to claim that orientation for other people? Why is that orientation assigned to those who engage in an activity she's already stated makes her uncomfortable? I always find that when people apply labels unsolicited it's rarely for descriptive purposes but rather a kind of judgment.

Then she has never been called a homo since she transitioned. Well I personally know a transsexual who was called a "faggot". Does that count? Or how about the transsexuals who have been attacked by people asserting that they are gay, immoral, or do not deserve to live the way they want. Again, even if the description is wrong it's undeniable that homophobes attack transsexuals in many cases because of what they perceive as homosexuality.

I also think this argument that she does not like that men fixate on her penis to be an excuse. IMO she does not like that she is asked to perform sexual acts she has no interest in, so as a reaction she wants to attack those who irritate her without any consideration of the larger social issues. Instead it's about her, her sexual interests and how men make her feel when they give attention to a part of her body she does not want them to. In short, they're homos for doing so.

And I am addressing this in the third person since I don't want to be confrontational. I may have missed the boat on that one, but I assume nobody wants to be treated with kid gloves and I think there is a very self-serving hypocrisy in these opinions. I have no other way of addressing the issue so sorry in advance.

[jamesedwards]

I got what Amber told me long ago. No further explanation is needed, thanks though.




I think Amber has stated positions that are not intended to be in any way objective but based on what she prefers. I am not saying this as an attack but she seems to always universalize her experience to that of other transgender girls. She mostly bottoms and so transgenders do not want to penetrate men. It makes her feel less feminine if a man shows an interest in her penis and so therefore it is gay. And she has never been called a "homo" since she transitioned so that argument is essentially irrelevant.

Well, it's very fortunate that there's so much variation in the world. First of all, we've all established that there are plenty of transgender girls who prefer to top even if not the majority. They do not see it as an attack on their femininity so they must separate the sexual realm from the social realm to some extent and not let their activity in the former dictate how they see themselves. And btw those transgenders who enjoy topping probably do not distinguish between normal attention to their penis and excessive attention since they are using that sexual organ to derive pleasure.

Next, she claims that she doesn't see calling someone homosexual as a pejorative. This is interesting. If it were not then why the determination to claim that orientation for other people? Why is that orientation assigned to those who engage in an activity she's already stated makes her uncomfortable? I always find that when people apply labels unsolicited it's rarely for descriptive purposes but rather a kind of judgment.

Then she has never been called a homo since she transitioned. Well I personally know a transsexual who was called a "faggot". Does that count? Or how about the transsexuals who have been attacked by people asserting that they are gay, immoral, or do not deserve to live the way they want. Again, even if the description is wrong it's undeniable that homophobes attack transsexuals in many cases because of what they perceive as homosexuality.

I also think this argument that she does not like that men fixate on her penis to be an excuse. IMO she does not like that she is asked to perform sexual acts she has no interest in, so as a reaction she wants to attack those who irritate her without any consideration of the larger social issues. Instead it's about her, her sexual interests and how men make her feel when they give attention to a part of her body she does not want them to. In short, they're homos for doing so.

And I am addressing this in the third person since I don't want to be confrontational. I may have missed the boat on that one, but I assume nobody wants to be treated with kid gloves and I think there is a very self-serving hypocrisy in these opinions. I have no other way of addressing the issue so sorry in advance.

[broncofan]

I got what Amber told me long ago. No further explanation is needed, thanks though.
I don't know what you're talking about but I wasn't addressing anything I wrote to you nor did I see it as a defense of you.

P.S I'm the one who gave your last post a negative rating.

[Los Angeles resident]

I love watching girls topping. More so than girls getting topped.

[Deimos]

i can only watch a dude get his butt plugged for so long... if mean.... i'll just watch brent corrigan videos if i really want to see that kind of thing going on. i don't mind it... but in excess, it is boner death.

[amberskyi]

I think Amber has stated positions that are not intended to be in any way objective but based on what she prefers. I am not saying this as an attack but she seems to always universalize her experience to that of other transgender girls. She mostly bottoms and so transgenders do not want to penetrate men. It makes her feel less feminine if a man shows an interest in her penis and so therefore it is gay. And she has never been called a "homo" since she transitioned so that argument is essentially irrelevant.

Well, it's very fortunate that there's so much variation in the world. First of all, we've all established that there are plenty of transgender girls who prefer to top even if not the majority. They do not see it as an attack on their femininity so they must separate the sexual realm from the social realm to some extent and not let their activity in the former dictate how they see themselves. And btw those transgenders who enjoy topping probably do not distinguish between normal attention to their penis and excessive attention since they are using that sexual organ to derive pleasure.

Next, she claims that she doesn't see calling someone homosexual as a pejorative. This is interesting. If it were not then why the determination to claim that orientation for other people? Why is that orientation assigned to those who engage in an activity she's already stated makes her uncomfortable? I always find that when people apply labels unsolicited it's rarely for descriptive purposes but rather a kind of judgment.

Then she has never been called a homo since she transitioned. Well I personally know a transsexual who was called a "faggot". Does that count? Or how about the transsexuals who have been attacked by people asserting that they are gay, immoral, or do not deserve to live the way they want. Again, even if the description is wrong it's undeniable that homophobes attack transsexuals in many cases because of what they perceive as homosexuality.

I also think this argument that she does not like that men fixate on her penis to be an excuse. IMO she does not like that she is asked to perform sexual acts she has no interest in, so as a reaction she wants to attack those who irritate her without any consideration of the larger social issues. Instead it's about her, her sexual interests and how men make her feel when they give attention to a part of her body she does not want them to. In short, they're homos for doing so.

And I am addressing this in the third person since I don't want to be confrontational. I may have missed the boat on that one, but I assume nobody wants to be treated with kid gloves and I think there is a very self-serving hypocrisy in these opinions. I have no other way of addressing the issue so sorry in advance.
You guys are not listening.my argument isn't about is it gay to top.my argument is about guys who are into trans woman solely for their cock.
Again, please read danthepoets last post on this thread.he summed up my feelings eloquently and in great detail.
ps.STOP SAYING I'M JUST A BOTTOM.I DO TOP OCCASIONALLY FOR MY OWN PLEASURE

[broncofan]

You guys are not listening.my argument isn't about is it gay to top.my argument is about guys who are into trans woman solely for their cock.
Again, please read danthepoets last post on this thread.he summed up my feelings eloquently and in great detail.
ps.STOP SAYING I'M JUST A BOTTOM.I DO TOP OCCASIONALLY FOR MY OWN PLEASURE
Alright, I will. I don't blame you though I know it sounds like it. We ALL see things from our own perspective and our feelings do dictate what we think about things. So, even if we disagree I understand where you're coming from.

[bluesoul]

but I assume nobody wants to be treated with kid gloves and I think there is a very self-serving hypocrisy in these opinions.



I don't know what you're talking about but I wasn't addressing anything I wrote to you nor did I see it as a defense of you.

P.S I'm the one who gave your last post a negative rating.

well played!

http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2012/10/12/thumbs/P20-121012-a2.jpg

[broncofan]

well played!


So you thought the self-serving hypocrisy line was addressed towards James? I didn't address anything towards James Edwards as he was generally on the same side of the argument (though I was not defending him). How exactly do you think I contradicted myself?

[lifeisfiction]

ps.STOP SAYING I'M JUST A BOTTOM.I DO TOP OCCASIONALLY FOR MY OWN PLEASURE

My kind of gal, :D

[danthepoetman]

Well, it's very fortunate that there's so much variation in the world. First of all, we've all established that there are plenty of transgender girls who prefer to top even if not the majority.
Here are some studies taken from Wiki. I thought some numbers could help in the debate. It seems that t-women splits relatively equally amongst “hetero”, “homo” and “bi-sexuals”. Also seems that post-op t-women are leaning much more toward “hetero-sexuality” than pre-ops. Of course, we have to take these numbers with care; they are purely statistical and as such, are generalizations which can’t take into account feelings and individuality, of course. Here it goes:

Transsexual women
Research, such as that done by Walter Bockting at the University of Minnesota, suggests that the breakdown of sexualities among transsexual women is 38% bisexual, 35% attracted to women, and 27% attracted to men. (Star Tribune May 25 2008 "Myths and Facts about Transgender Issues").[7] Older research had suggested that the majority of transsexual women seeking sex reassignment were attracted to men. About half of trans women studied have sexual intercourse with women.[8][9]

Another one:
Sexual orientation
The stereotype of the effeminate boy who grows up to live as a woman has a very long history.[3] It is a common misconception and stereotype that all transgender and transsexual women are heterosexual (attracted to males). However, research on the sexual orientation of trans women in the past has been dubious at best. Many studies on this issue have suffered from reporting bias, since many transsexual people feel they must give the "correct" answers to such questions to increase their chances of obtaining hormone replacement therapy. Patrick Califia, author of Sex Changes and Public Sex, has indicated that this group has a clear awareness of what answers to give to survey questions to be considered eligible for hormone replacement therapy and/or sex reassignment surgery:
"None of the gender scientists seem to realize that they, themselves, are responsible for creating a situation where transsexual people must describe a fixed set of symptoms and recite a history that has been edited in clearly prescribed ways to get a doctor's approval for what should be their inalienable right."[4]
A survey of roughly 3000 trans women showed that only 23% of them identified as heterosexual, with 31% as bisexual, 29% as lesbian, 7% as asexual, 7% as queer and 2% as "other".

Here are the links:
Trans woman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_woman)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality#Classifying_transsexual_peop le_by_sexual_orientation

[broncofan]

Interesting post Dan. This further shows that there is a distinction between gender identity and sexuality, as there is a pretty fair mix of all three variants of sexual orientation. It almost makes for a good thread in its own right about the myths associated with transsexuality. As we saw, Liberty Harkness prefers women, and we have a whole mix preferences among the ladies here, though the admirers (on this site) tend to be uniformly male.

[danthepoetman]

Yes. I suppose we could say that there is enough in there to entertain our fantasies, all of us, whatever they are… lol :)

[jamesedwards]

I don't know what you're talking about but I wasn't addressing anything I wrote to you nor did I see it as a defense of you.

P.S I'm the one who gave your last post a negative rating.

thanks dude right back atcha

[jamesedwards]

I love watching girls topping. More so than girls getting topped.

And that's your right to do so, and you shouldn't be labelled because of likes of TGirls topping opposed to Tgirls who bottom.

ROCK ON!!! :party:

[jamesedwards]

You guys are not listening.my argument isn't about is it gay to top.my argument is about guys who are into trans woman solely for their cock.
Again, please read danthepoets last post on this thread.he summed up my feelings eloquently and in great detail.
ps.STOP SAYING I'M JUST A BOTTOM.I DO TOP OCCASIONALLY FOR MY OWN PLEASURE

Hold up Amber, wait a minute I remember talking to you about a year ago I believe and you said YOU ONLY BOTTOM!!! You said you didn't top, and you told me you didn't like doing guys, so what changed your mind?

[amberskyi]

Hold up Amber, wait a minute I remember talking to you about a year ago I believe and you said YOU ONLY BOTTOM!!! You said you didn't top, and you told me you didn't like doing guys, so what changed your mind?

No,I said I mostly bottom

[jamesedwards]

No,I said I mostly bottom

Amber, let me tell you I don't forget nothing, you told me you bottom only at that time you did. You had a few words with me and told me you don't deal with men like me who like tops and bottoms that you only did BOTTOM ONLY!!!
Now if that's your story and you're sticking to it fine but I know what you told me.

You went as far as to say you're a girl and men would have to like to top and not bottom for you and Daryl Washington and some other cats who are into bottom girls agreed with you. The word Mostly was not in there.

[amberskyi]

Amber, let me tell you I don't forget nothing, you told me you bottom only at that time you did. You had a few words with me and told me you don't deal with men like me who like tops and bottoms that you only did BOTTOM ONLY!!!
Now if that's your story and you're sticking to it fine but I know what you told me.

You went as far as to say you're a girl and men would have to like to top and not bottom for you and Daryl Washington and some other cats who are into bottom girls agreed with you. The word Mostly was not in there.

Lol of course sweetie, you know more about me than I do.
You are right tho,I would never date a guy that was fully versatile.fully versatile meaning he would want me to top him as often as he tops me.the perfect guy for me is a dude who is mostly top but doesn't mind or enjoys bottoming once in a while.

[jamesedwards]

Lol of course sweetie, you know more about me than I do.
You are right tho,I would never date a guy that was fully versatile.fully versatile meaning he would want me to top him as often as he tops me.the perfect guy for me is a dude who is mostly top but doesn't mind or enjoys bottoming once in a while.

:dead-1: LOL boy oh boy, you use that word MOSTLY like a motha fucka lol that word didn't exist back then lol But you do see I have a good ass memory lol hahahah Because You never said you wanted a dude that was MOSTLY TOP and enjoyed bottoming once in a while lol I DON'T FORGET SHIT!!! LOL but if that's what you claim go head do your thang no hate from me. I see ya as a woman always have always will even if we disagree that's how I am.

[amberskyi]

Please leave me alone James, your annoying me now

[tsadriana]

Please leave me alone James, your annoying me now
I think he fancys u alot hun and he is a bit shy.....:mad::mad:

[oifarang]

I heard that !!!!

But are you in love with Michelle Rod over just her COCK or all of her? From what is displayed if you just love MR just for her cock YOU'RE A HOMO!!! Not my words but Amber's.

But whatever you love MR for whether it's just her cock or tits whatever, I wouldn't dream to call you anything but what you told me and you said you're not a fag and I would go by that and the fact is you like what you like.

Michelle Rodriguez is a female actress not a Transsexual with a cock lol:loser:

[RallyCola]

i have a really simple question.....

would you rather suck this femboy's dick and get a reciprocal bj as well
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=514907&stc=1&d=1350007846


or be this dude?
http://ts-yasminlee.com/files/2012/03/7502_p_05.jpg


i will tell you...i'm getting my colon turked everyday all day

[danthepoetman]

Neither, Rally Cola.
Would much rather make nice, slow lovin' to her, for instance:

[RallyCola]

Neither, Rally Cola.
Would much rather make nice, slow lovin' to her, for instance:

neither was not a choice

[angelboi]

Hell no, I get turned off by girls who don't top!

[jamesedwards]

Michelle Rodriguez is a female actress not a Transsexual with a cock lol:loser:

Word? shitttttttttttt I didn't know lol hahah

[jamesedwards]

Neither, Rally Cola.
Would much rather make nice, slow lovin' to her, for instance:

Dan my man that's a good choice of a TGirl to make :iagree: