Paul Ryan to be Romney's running mate?

[pantybulge69]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2012/08/romney-vp-saturday/1

[Prospero]

Seems likely. The tea party are pushing hard for this guy to be the running mate. I think he would be to Romney what Dick Cheney was to Bush.

For those who can stomach it, this disheartening profile ran in the New Yorker a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all

[hippifried]

Ryan is an egoist. A staunch follower of Ayn Rand.

The basis of the egoist philosophy is that self interest is the driving force behind all human actions. Not "should be", but "is". The philosophy denies the very existence of altruism.

Now back to Ryan: He claims to be a Christian. Not just a Christian, but Catholic. How does this work? How do you preach egoism while claiming to be a devoted follower of the most altruistic persona in the history of the human race? I don't see a way to reconcile this contradiction. Ryan's either a fraud or too stupid to see the problem. That also goes for the rest of the cultists who put Ayn Rand up as some kind of demigod while trying to usurp & twist the various Christian faiths to fit their nonsensical ideal.

[Odelay]

The contradictions of this guy don't end with the Catholic/egoist dichotomy. He's for rolling back much of the social safety net while having lived off Social Security survivor benefits through most of his young adult life. After that, he moved to DC and has been on the dole for the remainder of his life. He preaches against programs that supposedly promote dependency in the general population without seeing it when he looks in the mirror. Self-starter, this guy is not.

How do they say it... good for me, but not for you.

[Stavros]

So whoever Bruce Bartlett is, he got it wrong too, but from what he said in his piece, this will -I assume- polarise the political debate from now to November.

I wonder if Romneyshambles and Ryan (sounds like a firm of dodgy accountants) will take their cue from the Prophets of Austerity in Britain and take to the podium to declare, as David Cameron has done and say: We shall all be living with austerity until at least 2020; while the economy is predicted by the Bank of England to 'grow' from somewhere between 0% and 0.8%. How does that sound America? Is this what you want? If it isn't hurting, it isn't working. No Pain, No Gain. Great way to win the confidence of the voters....

[onmyknees]

LMAO....Here we go. We'll get a history lesson from you supporters of the Chicago Jesus. You're curiosity certainly has peeked on the Republican VP nominee. You'll scurry off to all the far left sights and fill your hollow heads with tons of misinformation. Media Matters matters will find a great uncle or some other relative of Ryan that visited South America circa 1946, and they'll make the connection that he was bringing cash to escaped Nazi's. The veracity matters not...it will occupy your heads for a week or two, deflect attention away from miserable economic numbers, and we'll be that much closer to the election. What a pathetic band of slim merchants.
All this interest and intrigue on a Congressman who's life is pretty much an open book, and 4 years ago your curiosity was rather dormant. It mattered not that Barry's life was pretty much a mystery from when his grandparents sent him off to Indonesia until he resurfaced in Chicago as a community organizer with the support of domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and convicted felon Tony Resko. Those associations really never made it on your radar screen, or if they did....you excused them away as irrelevent. You never for a moment wondered what 20 years of sermons from Rev. Wright did to Barry's thinking....but you're sure fascinated with Ayan Rand and what affect it's had on Ryan. No college writings or admissions records, no transcripts, no work history. As Dick Cheney said...."after swearing in Barrack Obama to the US Senate...he pretty much disappeared" If you doubt Cheney....please show me the substance between the hand on the bible, and the day he announced he was running for President.
I kindly remind you that 4 years into The Chicago Jesus term, we have ........
. No plan to save Social Security
. No plan to save Medicare
. No plan to curb crippling government spending
. No plan for tax reform or simplification
. No Energy Policy
. No plan for cutting the deficit
. No plan to for Job Growth
. No plan to deal with the Foreclosure and Housing Crisis
. No Comprehensive Plan to deal with Illegal Immigration
. No plan to deal with a nuclear Iran
. No plan to deal with Too Big to Fail
.No plan to deal with regulatory reform
. No plan to curb the dominance of Big Wall Street Banks
. And when is the last time you dare hear him utter the word
Afghanistan ??????? It's like it doesn't exist.

His plan???? Tax The rich. It's his answer to your every question...your every need.

You see....governing and legislating is not one of Barry and Joe's strong suits. They'd rather campaign, wine and dine with Wall Streeters and Hollywood types, sing few show tunes, dance a few numbers, and pick up a check, then go back to D.C. issue a few executive orders to select constituencies, and blow off any meetings with Congressional leaders or members of his cabinet. Yet you all will go back and scour every day of Paul Ryan's life and every paper he's ever written looking to make the connection that he's really an extremist. Your selective curiosity, your blind allegiance, and your utter hypocrisy reveals you for what you are.
Paul Ryan has a plan......try to deal with that in the absence of your guy's lack of substance and leave his high school girlfriend and what books he's read where they belong.
My guess is there were people like Paul Ryan sounding the alarm in places like San Bernadino, CA ( now insolvent) Stockton, California ( now bankrupt) Providence RI ( teetering on insolvency) Jefferson County, Alabama ( bankrupt) and dozens of other small cities in every state...and there were people like you all laughing it off, deflecting attention off the issue with nonsense or personal attacks, espousing the virtue of Keynesian philosophy and public employee unions , and calling those voicing serious concerns extremists or Tea Partiers. Ask the current mayors and the residents of all these cities if they should have heeded the warnings.

[Prospero]

Yes - I wondered how soon that appalling creature OMK would bow in with his LMAO approach.

Ryan's plan - already rejected by Bush - is to deconstruct anything that will look after the poor and the needy. He has a religious faith in the market. He claims to be a Christian. But then so does OMK - a sad apology for a human being - and he clearly has read none of the Gospels or the teachings of jesus about caring for the poor and the needy.

You'll reap a very nasty whirlwind when the selfish little bastards now trying - and succeeding - in taking over the GOp are elected.

[onmyknees]

Yea he's pretty scary guy.......probably a racist as well. Scary that is, if you're Barry or Turbo Tax Timmy trying to run some budgetary jive past him. I can't wait until the VP debate and watch him disembowel Country Joe.

Paul Ryan: Hiding Spending Doesn't Reduce Spending - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPxMZ1WdINs&feature=player_embedded)#!



Ryan to Geithner - Why propose a budget you admit is not credible, not sustainable? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mERhPhnln9A&feature=related)

[buttslinger]

Yea he's pretty scary guy.......probably a racist as well. Scary that is, if you're Barry or Turbo Tax Timmy trying to run some budgetary jive past him. I can't wait until the VP debate and watch him disembowel Country Joe.

EXHIBIT A: Romney has given up trying to win over independents and is now avoiding any serious debate, instead he's firing up the passions of those who carry pictures of their sister in their wallet.

[buttslinger]

I wonder is the budget superboy will release his personal tax reports?????

[trish]

Poor Romney, already a BIG FAIL as he allows the Fox "news network" to bully him into picking Ryan for his running mate. So sad.

[buttslinger]

I kindly remind you that 8 years of the Texas Dum-dum we had........
. No plan to save Social Security
. No plan to save Medicare
. No plan to curb crippling government spending
. No plan for tax reform or simplification
. No Energy Policy
. No plan for cutting the deficit
. No plan to for Job Growth
. No plan to deal with the Foreclosure and Housing Crisis
. No Comprehensive Plan to deal with Illegal Immigration
. No plan to deal with a nuclear Iran
. No plan to deal with Too Big to Fail
.No plan to deal with regulatory reform
. No plan to curb the dominance of Big Wall Street Banks


Romney plan?
Eliminate Capital Gains taxes.
Eliminate Inheritence tax.

[BluegrassCat]

I kindly remind you that 4 years into The Chicago Jesus term, we have ........
. No plan to save Social Security
. No plan to save Medicare
. No plan to curb crippling government spending
. No plan for tax reform or simplification
. No Energy Policy
. No plan for cutting the deficit
. No plan to for Job Growth
. No plan to deal with the Foreclosure and Housing Crisis
. No Comprehensive Plan to deal with Illegal Immigration
. No plan to deal with a nuclear Iran
. No plan to deal with Too Big to Fail
.No plan to deal with regulatory reform
. No plan to curb the dominance of Big Wall Street Banks
. And when is the last time you dare hear him utter the word
Afghanistan ??????? It's like it doesn't exist.


Truly LMFAO. This is so flatly, night-is-day wrong. By applying the same standards of truth as OMK, I could say the following about Romney:

.Romney has never held elected office
.Romney has no children
.Romney only pays taxes in Uganda because he supports Joseph Kony
.Before running Bain Capital, he ran Joker Capital because he just wanted to see the world burn.

But on a serious note, this VP choice seems to signal that Romney is giving up. He doesn't see a path to victory and apparently he'd rather toe the extremist line than compete in moderate swing states. Until the GOP escapes from the Tea Party insane-asylum they'll never win the presidency.

[BeardedOne]

Will this be Romney's Palin...*Kaff*...I mean 'Waterloo'?

[trish]

Poor Romney. The little rich kid never fit in with other people. He has no charisma and no personal power. Immediately after he folded to Fox news he introduced Paul Ryan as the next president of the United States! WTF is up with that! You can see his frilly pink panties through that Freudian slip. All the personal power is on the VP side of the ticket. Looks like the plan is for Mitt to play W to Ryan's Cheney. Mitt plays the robot, Ryan will hold the controls. Puppet and Puppeteer.

[buttslinger]

According to Rachel Maddow, there is only 8% of the electorate that's undecided, and they're leaning heavy to Obama. So Romney's switched from attack ads about the Economy to attack ads on Gays, Guns, God, Iran, etc to stir up the yokels. They have to make sure the voters in the red red states show up to keep the dems from stealing their sure-thing seats. Whatever's in those tax returns, it must be really bad!!!!!!~it's only August!


Dr. Strangelove - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrWz9XVvls)

[Prospero]

I agree Trish - this is what I posted earlier.....
I think he would be to Romney what Dick Cheney was to Bush.

For those who can stomach it, this disheartening profile ran in the New Yorker a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/08/06/120806fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all

[Prospero]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/mitt-romney-paul-ryan-mistake_n_1767430.html

Duh... now this launch code. I wonder what that does.....

[Odelay]

This election just became more interesting to me. This is practically a referendum on whether people over 55 are willing to fuck those under 55 in the ass. That's what the Ryan Medicare Plan is all about. I'm 52, by the way.

It's clear why the Ryan Plan does this. Electorally, geezers over 55 are the strongest GOP demographic there is. They absolutely cannot afford to piss these people off. So it'll be interesting to see how Seniors vote. It's often said by Democrats, rightly or wrongly, that people of very modest means who vote Republican vote against their own interests. But this year, people over 55 who vote Republican will clearly be voting in their own best interests.

[Prospero]

His favourite read is Ayn Rand - the triumph of selfishness. He is against abortion under any circumstances and against contraception. Get government out of your lives and into your bedrooms? Oh what a delight you have in store.

[Willie Escalade]

Welcome to the "United" States.

[Stavros]

I read in the UK papers some comments Ryan made about the NHS in the UK, and tracked it down to an article he co-authored with someone called Peter Wehner in the Wall St Journal from 2009. The article, which is about the perils of 'Big Government' is linked at the end, but I offer my comments on the following two paragraphs as an indication that Ryan and friend are either incapable of doing some research, or can't be bothered.

Nationalizing health care will be profoundly detrimental to the quality of American medicine. In the name of cost control, the government would make private investment in medical innovation far riskier, and thus delay the development of potentially lifesaving treatments.
It will also put America on a glide path toward European-style socialism. We need only look to Great Britain and elsewhere to see the effects of socialized health care on the broader economy. Once a large number of citizens get their health care from the state, it dramatically alters their attachment to government. Every time a tax cut is proposed, the guardians of the new medical-welfare state will argue that tax cuts would come at the expense of health care -- an argument that would resonate with middle-class families entirely dependent on the government for access to doctors and hospitals.


First, the NHS was created in 1948, and as far as I know there has never in all those years been a claim that ‘private investment in medical innovation’ has been regarded as a risk. There are reasons for this:

1) the NHS does not have a monopoly of heath care provision in the UK, because the private sector was not abolished. It has always been possible for individuals to purchase private health insurance and be treated in private clinics and hospitals.

2) Investment in health care is made from numerous sources within the UK, private and public, and from outside the UK, the most obvious being the giant multi-national pharmaceutical companies.

3) If anything, the breadth of the NHS and the overall quality of its provision has made it a crucial ‘laboratory’ for the testing of new drugs and procedures.

4) Innovative heart surgery was pioneered by Sir Maghdi Yacoub at the NHS Harefield Hospital in Hertfordshire.

Magdi Yacoub - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdi_Yacoub)


A recognised world centre of excellence offering innovative treatment of new born babies has been based at the Hospital for Sick Children in Great Ormond St, London for decades. A pioneer of the research into the links between tobacco and lung cancer, Richard Doll was based in Oxford for his career, working for the NHS. I could go on and on, but hope the few examples I give expose as a simple distortion of the truth what Ryan and Wehner say.

Second, there has never been a socialist government in the UK. Even when Labour won a landslide victory in 1945, it did not enact socialism ‘red in tooth and claw’. The transport network, the coal mines and the steel industry, and the utilities (gas, water, electricity) were all brought into public ownership. But the creation of the NHS as pointed out above, did not monopolise health care –private health care was available. A state education service was created, but private education was allowed to remain. The pharmaceutical industry, banking and insurance, entertainment, broadcasting, air and sea transport –none of these were brought into public ownership. The monarchy and the House of Lords were not abolished.


In the case of the creation of a dependency culture, I offer security of health care, or the human right to medical treatment. And most people pay for the NHS, it is not free, what they get in return is access to a general practitioner, the right to be treated there or in hospital free at the time of need and use; the state from my taxes funds in part the university medical schools that produce the full range of medical specialists from doctors through to haematologists; and for the most part the NHS has been ring-fenced against major cuts even when taxes have been cut, as they were when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister. And the first cuts to the NHS budget were introduced by what Ryan and Wehner would call the ‘Socialist’ govt of James Callaghan, in 1976.

I am not dependent on the NHS, I pay for it, and it gives me, for the most part, an excellent service. Taxes have been cut without undermining the service, although there are plenty of funding issues across the country. It is not perfect, but it works.

Ryan and Wehner may not be perfect either, but can they think? Even better –do some research?

the Ryan/Wehner article is here:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123207075026188601.html

[Prospero]

"Man should not consider his material possessions his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need."
Thomas Aquinas.

A thought GOP Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan should keep in mind now he is proclaiming Aquinas as his guiding light over his previous guru Ayn Rand.

[buttslinger]

American's approval rating of Congress is ten percent. TEN PERCENT!!! HITLER get's higher numbers!
There is no high road anymore.

[trish]

If you polled them privately, Hitler would have higher numbers among the tea bagging party.

[giovanni_hotel]

"Man should not consider his material possessions his own, but as common to all, so as to share them without hesitation when others are in need."
Thomas Aquinas.

A thought GOP Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan should keep in mind now he is proclaiming Aquinas as his guiding light over his previous guru Ayn Rand.

Hilarious....in a good way.
Ryan is a fraud and his sterling reputation as the ideological wunderkind of the Republican party is going to be exposed as a hoax in the next couple of months. His legislative track record during the Bush administration is going to turn the Teabaggers against him.

Ryan is a wonk and a numbers cruncher, a master of 'fuzzy math', but he isn't gifted in speaking to the hearts of voters.

Joe Biden is going to undress Ryan in the VP debates IMO.

[flabbybody]

Ryan is now apologizing because, God forbid, he requested a piece of Obama stimulus money for two troubled companies in his district that employ many folks whom he represents. Reminds me of Gov Jindal saying he'll turn down Medicaid expansion in Louisiana because he's a fiscal conservative, even though it would benefit hundreds of thousands of destitute state residents. People in Louisiana are still dying of tuberculosis in 2012 simple because they go decades without seeing a doctor.

Republicans basically say... "look, I'm a shit head to the people I'm supposed to represent but please vote me into higher office so I can fuck an even larger constituency"

You Brits must think American politics is plain foolishness.
But in the end, this Romney-Ryan ticket will lose badly. Our politics are stupid but we're not

[flabbybody]

If you polled them privately, Hitler would have higher numbers among the tea bagging party.
they're probably unaware that Hitler eliminated unemployment by putting Germans to work in a massive public works spending program. That's how we got the autobahn. not exactly fiscal conservatism.
but I doubt most tea baggers went to school long enough to learn world history.

[buttslinger]

The Ryan budget was never expected to pass by anybody, it was just a response to the democrat's claim that republicans complain but offer no alternatives.
This is part of the same game where you want fifty cents so you ask for a dollar. You never give the other side anything, even if it's something you want.Make them pay for it. Two percent of Americans owning fifty percent of everything proves this bullshit works!!!!
The Karl Rove plan almost put Karl in jail. ALMOST. Now CEOs are sending him checks for millions!!

[giovanni_hotel]

If you submit a budget to Congress, it's beyond the level of a 'talking point' or a debate starter.

Why publish pure shit with your name on it then say, 'just kidding'???
This is spin by the GOP and Romney campaign to suggest that Paul Ryan's budget was never meant to pass Congress.

Ryan doesn't have more important things to do as a legislator than writing phony bills he doesn't expect to pass?? What an asshole Ryan is.

[trish]

Ryan doesn't have more important things to do as a legislator than writing phony bills he doesn't expect to pass?? Over the ten year period he was in office Ryan framed only two bills which have passed into law. One was to rename a Post Office in his district and the other lowered the incise tax on hunting arrows. He's a very busy man :D

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/12/paul-ryan-bills_n_1769816.html

[Stavros]

Blimey, Trish, do they still use bows and arrows in Wisconsin?

On a more serious side, it was Ryan who managed to get $20.3m from the Department of Energy because "stimulus cash would help his state create thousands of new jobs, save energy and reduce greenhouse gas emissions"...but who, a year later as part of his attack on the Federal Burgdet from his position as Chairman of the House Budget Committe said his plan "...would slash Energy Department programs aimed at creating green jobs and call...for 'getting Washington out of the business of picking winners and losers in the economy -and that includes our energy sector." When these contradictions were put to him, Mr Ryan said he had forgotten about them..!
Amazingly this attack on Ryan is from a newspaper even more neo-con than Murdoch's press, the Uk Daily Mail!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2189653/Paul-Ryan-admits-asked-millions-Obama-stimulus-cash-denying-twice.html#ixzz23zvzv4sX

[trish]

Blimey, Trish, do they still use bows and arrows in Wisconsin? Hey, he and Romney are the modern Robin Hoods, stealing from the poor and giving to the rich. After all, "Romney" is an anagram for "R money."

There's is no better way to deal with a contradiction than forget about it.

[BluegrassCat]

"Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan" is an anagram for "My ultimate Ayn Rand porn"

[flabbybody]

Ryan's whole MO is that our children should not be burdened with the future consequences of deficit spending yet he quickly points out (with his mom by his side) that 55 year olds and over won't have their Medicare benefits changed. His vouchering process that will essentially gut services and raise user premiums will fall on the younger generation's back.

Paul, we ain't stupid. either way your vodou economics are going to fuck the kids. at least be honest about it.

[Ben]

Ryan's whole MO is that our children should not be burdened with the future consequences of deficit spending yet he quickly points out (with his mom by his side) that 55 year olds and over won't have their Medicare benefits changed. His vouchering process that will essentially gut services and raise user premiums will fall on the younger generation's back.

Paul, we ain't stupid. either way your vodou economics are going to fuck the kids. at least be honest about it.

Ryan isn't a fiscal conservative. Nor is he a conservative. He's extreme -- yes! He, like a lot of so-called conservatives, believes in big government for himself and his buddies.
Now if ol' Mitt were serious about fiscal conservatism he would've chosen Ron Paul. But Paul is a septuagenarian. So he would've been "too old" for the ticket.
Plus, as an actual fiscal conservative, Paul would be bad for Mitt and his buddies. The likes of Mitt and Ryan loathe fiscal conservatives.
Now they wanna impose so-called market discipline on working people. But not on the likes of Wall Street.
Ryan doesn't mention an ecological debt. The one we're currently imposing on future generations. Namely global warming.
The term or notion or reality of global warming isn't on Ryan's radar screen. Nor would it be.
So-called conservatives are very good at trashing the environment. Dems aren't much better.
I mean, we're imposing a future cost, a terrible cost, that really makes decent survival for future generations somewhat difficult.
But the centers of power (namely huge corporations) don't consider that. Nor can they. They're legally obligated to concern themselves with short-term interests. And the likes of Ryan serve that narrow interest. And better. Otherwise he wouldn't be in his current position. He'd be slabbing concrete at his ol' family business -- ha ha!

[Stavros]

Ben I think you need to think more deeply about some issues. From this side of the pond it looks to me like the Republican Party is divided between consensus politicians and confrontation politicians, and the latter, attached to, sponsored by or talking for the Tea Party bloc are not the kind of people who would suddenly dilute their demands for tax cuts and budget cuts and staff cuts in Federal agencies just because Romneyshamles and Ryan Shrugged are in the White House -and evidently if Obama serves another 4 years. And although I agree that the Federal govt in the US (as in the UK) could and should be doing more to promote environmental policies that actually work, are cost effective and have long term aims -there are a lot of independent bodies and groups who want this on both sides of the pond and it may be advocacy at the grass roots that is more effective -and I think that is where your sympathies lie. I used to be politically active but not longer, but if I was doing it all over again I would be in some kind of environmental group interested in practicable options; you are young enough and bright enough and energetic with your opinions, maybe now is the time for you to get involved.