Was he lying then or is he lying now?

[zulusierra]

His authors Bio he used for ~16 years (91-07)

http://i.imgur.com/Zf6xa.png

http://i.imgur.com/BTPma.png

[trish]

Breitbart was lying. If there's an afterlife, he's probably still lying.

[robertlouis]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused:

Can someone please explain for those of us not so intimately versed in the darker nuamces of American politics just what the feck this is about?

Thank you.

[hippifried]

??????????????????

The nuts are back?

[onmyknees]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused:

Can someone please explain for those of us not so intimately versed in the darker nuamces of American politics just what the feck this is about?

Thank you.


I don't like you at all, that's well known....so I say this with no malice this one time....

It's complicated...you might not understand.

When you hold secret, or resist scrutiny portions of your life, then seek the most powerful office in the world....you allow others to fill in the blanks. We knew less about Barrack Obama when he was elected, than we do our local county clerk. That's not entirely his fault, it worked once. Had a lazy, slobbering, cheer leading press done it's job, ( like for example when plane loads of reporters converged on Wasilla Alaska seeking any dirt they could dredge up on Palin, or like the incident they uncovered 50 years ago on Romney) this would all have been old news...or old lies. In this regard an adoring press has done Barrack Obama a huge diservice.

[robertlouis]

I don't like you at all, that's well known....so I say this with no malice this one time....

It's complicated...you might not understand.

When you hold secret, or resist scrutiny portions of your life, then seek the most powerful office in the world....you allow others to fill in the blanks. We knew less about Barrack Obama when he was elected, than we do our local county clerk. That's not entirely his fault, it worked once. Had a lazy, slobbering, cheer leading press done it's job, ( like for example when plane loads of reporters converged on Wasilla Alaska seeking any dirt they could dredge up on Palin, or like the incident they uncovered 50 years ago on Romney) this would all have been old news...or old lies. In this regard an adoring press has done Barrack Obama a huge diservice.


Our mutual antipathy is indeed well known, but I do appreciate the straight answer.

Thanks

[trish]

When you hold secret, or resist scrutiny portions of your life...You know, like when you write an autobiography.
...you allow others...Like Breitbart who is well known for his creative photoshopping and editing.
...to fill in the blanks.or simply insert falsehoods where there were no blanks.
We knew less about Barrack Obama when he was elected, than we do our local county clerk.'cause most county clerks write four biographies and authorize a dozen more.
a lazy, slobbering, cheer leading press done it's job, ( like for example when plane loads of reporters converged on Wasilla Alaska ...That's right. That lazy lazy press went all the way up to Wasilla just to interview the VP candidate. Imagine that! It was the height of laziness. In the mean time, hard working Sarah Palin was reading all the news fit to print from every source that printed in English. She just forgot the names of a few newspapers, and a few more....well...all of them.
...adoring...Barrack Obama...huge. He won't admit it, and I don't know it for a fact, but I suspect OMK gets a huge tingle up his leg whenever he thinks about adoring Barrack's huge....









...voter appeal...of course.

[Prospero]

Erm.... I read the whole of this thread and i am still not at all any wiser as to what exactly POTUS is being accused off this time. What in that pitted biography is innaccurate? I read OMK's explanation and it makes me no wiser - leaving the notion that there is some distortion in there totally unexplained (though giving him a chance to vent his wearying attacks on the media for its decision to investigate the little known woman who might have ended up as VP).

More info please.

[Stavros]

I believe the fundamental point is that a US citizen has to have been born in the US or its dependent territories to qualify as a Presidential candidate, I think it works if you are born in a US Embassy abroad too -in other words, had Barack Obama been born in Kenya he would not have been qualified to run and his entire Presidency has been based on a lie. We have been through all this before; the pathetic bleating of sore losers.

The UK doesn't have the same qualifying issues for its Prime Ministers, three of whom have been half-American -Neville Chamberlain, Winston Churchill and Harold MacMillan. Arthur Bonar-Law was born and raised in Canada, moving to Scotland when he was 12.

[Prospero]

Thanks Stavros.

[gslang]

How many US Presidents were born British?
I believe Washington was more British than GeorgeIII (or was i asleep during that class)

[Stavros]

As far as I can ascertain, the first seven Presidents were all born subjects of the British Crown -most of them were born in Viginia.

The first US President who was born a citizen of the USA was Martin van Buren.

George Washington
Born in Virginia in 1732- born a subject of King George II (reined 1727-1760), the last English King to have been born outside the country -born in Hanover; and the last English King to lead his troops in battle at the Battle of Dettingen in 1743 in the War of the Austrian Succession.

John Adams, born in Massachusetts 1735,
Thomas Jefferson, born in Virginia 1743
James Madison, born in Virginia, 1751
James Monroe, born in Virginia, 1758
John Quincy Adams, born in Massachusetts, 1767 -born under King Geoge III (reined 1760-1820), the first Hanoverian King to be born in England; King when the Revolution began in the American Colonies.

Andrew Jackson, born 1767 in Waxhaws, 'British America' (a Scots-Irish region between North and South Carolina). The last American President who was born under British rule.


Martin van Buren, born 1782, in New York, grew up speaking Dutch. The first US citizen to be elected President of the US. Also known as Martin van Ruin...

[Stavros]

That should read reigned not reined.

[gslang]

Thanks, Stavros. thats fascinating. appreciate your history lesson.

[Stavros]

That's ok. An additional thought is to remark on how young many of the leaders of the American Revolution were in 1776, I heard a radio programme about Benjamin Franklin who was an odd figure at the time precisely because he was so old....

[ed_jaxon]

I like to avoid shit like this like the plague but I need to ask the question.

If that shit did not stick before why would it stick now?

I am pretty astute at understanding when people are so entrenched in their views as to not engage them in a discussion as nothing can be learned or gained but this point has no revelance.

Here is my full point.

That train has left the station. He is President and is running for a second term.

The key issues are jobs and the economy, not Jeremiah Wright nor his birth. Anyone pulling out those points risks being seen as a card carrying member of the lunatic fringe.

I am a Obama supporter but the right is allowing the fringes of the party to set the message.

JOBS, THE ECONOMY, PRESIDENTIAL OVERREACH ON PERSONAL LIBERTIES

These are the issues that should be discussed.

[zulusierra]

If that shit did not stick before why would it stick now?

That train has left the station. He is President and is running for a second term.

The key issues are jobs and the economy, not Jeremiah Wright nor his birth. Anyone pulling out those points risks being seen as a card carrying member of the lunatic fringe.

JOBS, THE ECONOMY, PRESIDENTIAL OVERREACH ON PERSONAL LIBERTIES


I concur.

I just found it an interesting story. I don't care where he was born. I do care about his continuation of Bush's policy of wiping his ass with the constitution and disregard for the rule of law.

[onmyknees]

Breitbart was lying. If there's an afterlife, he's probably still lying.


No..........I'm sorry ( actually check that...In light of the fact you called me a hater last week, I'm not sorry for this at all, so let me return the volley...) You're the liar. Breitbart.com com was not lying. This is the way it appeared for many years. How do we know this? Because the literary agent who wrote it has come forward and called it a "fact check" error and apologized. So you see once again you've laced opinions and conjecture with facts as you so often infamously do in matters of black and white.

You're free to state if you think the Brieitbart story is newsworthy or not, or what it proves if anything....but you're the liar.

I don't believe Barry ever completed the book in question anyway.....so let's hope come janurary we provide him with lots of free time to catch up on all these odds and ends. :loser: ( This L is for Liar)

[buttslinger]

let's hope come janurary we provide him with lots of free time to catch up on all these odds and ends.

Live in hope, die in despair.
Power to the people.
Power to the people.
Power to the people.
Power to the people Right On!

[Ben]

How many US Presidents were born British?
I believe Washington was more British than GeorgeIII (or was i asleep during that class)

George Washington (who, too, might've been gay; no joke!) was born in so-called British America. (Remember that the land base of America didn't belong to Native Indians/Americans. They weren't and aren't part of the equation. They're irrelevant.
As are what came before Native Indians: bears, moose, frogs, birds etc., etc. They, too, aren't part of the equation.
What America is and was about was white men. And I say this as a white guy.
Well, it's the conceit that we have: we're the only ones who matter. Native Indians don't matter. They had and have no rights. Animals didn't and don't have a right to the land. It simply belongs to us.)

Birthers: ...But This Obama Bio Says He Was Born In Kenya! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM8ZAEeWklE&feature=plcp)

[Queens Guy]

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused:

Can someone please explain for those of us not so intimately versed in the darker nuamces of American politics just what the feck this is about?

Thank you.

President Obama's literary agent, not the President himself, said he was born in Kenya and raised in Hawaii and Indonesia.

They said this as late as 2007.

It doesn't really bring back the 'birther' issue. But, if his own literary agent thought he was born in Kenya, maybe the 'birthers' weren't so crazy to wonder if he was.


It is being used by those that think the media did a poor job vetting the President when he was a candidate. Or that they knew about this and decided not to ask it. And that this contrasts with their eagerness to go back into Mitt Romney's background. Recently going back to an incident that happened 50 years ago when he was in prep school.

Some think it shows that the media were 'in the tank' for Obama back in 2008 and didn't ask questions about his background. This pamphlet should have raised a question or two, they feel. Did the agent write the bio? Or did Obama write it? If Obama did write it, was he just trying to make his book seem more 'exotic' and sell more copies? And, if he did this, does it mean he doesn't really believe in anything and is just a cynical politician who will say anything that gets him votes?

So, they feel that Obama may have had a simple answer to the question that would have made this a non-issue the next day, that the pamphlet could have easily been found if the media gave a strong effort to look into Obama, the candidate's past, and if they did find it, they chose not to ask the question, so they could help the candidate they liked.

That the media is deciding what should be the news, instead of just reporting things and letting the chips fall where they may.

[trish]

When you go to the polls to vote this November don't forget to take a photocopy of your personalized book jacket with you as proof of citizenship; they're considered by some to be much more reliable then the official long form birth certificate. Happy voting.

[Stavros]

What America is and was about was white men. And I say this as a white guy.
Well, it's the conceit that we have: we're the only ones who matter. Native Indians don't matter. They had and have no rights. Animals didn't and don't have a right to the land. It simply belongs to us.)



Would you not also add in the Christian aspect -most of the early settlers from England, Netherlands and Germany were fleeing religious persecution. I wonder if there is an element in the Tea Party or other parts of the so-called 'Conservative' groupings which feel that American's mission vision was shaped by European Christianity and that this is what they see as either lacking, or being overwhelmed by 'other' peoples and their faiths, or no faith at all....?

[gslang]

That the Founders Fathers went out of their way to separate their new government system from religion, of any kind, has been ignored and side-stepped by the steady rise of the extreme elements of the religious/political groupings over many years.

Unlike the UK, with its intwined national church that has legal advantages and incorporation within the governing system....but an increasing indifferent population. The US has a supposed separation with a very religious active population.

Perhaps this fear of the uncertain future is abetted by the knowledge that their own majority (white christian) is under threat....

with the US reaching a crucial tipping point..more babies are now born to minorities...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18108845

interesting times ahead, i guess then everyone in US will be minority.

[Prospero]

Except of course a vast proportion of that minority - hispanics and african american - are christian families. So the argument of fear of the decline in "christian America" doesn't hold water.

[gslang]

yes, i didnt say there would b a decline in Christianity in US, just the previous white-version. in fact their organized religions are playing a more active, and some would say more extreme, within each grouping.

Just as the Church of England is seeing the results of its old empire, with the increasing dominance (people numbers, and more importantly financial contribution!) of church members in commonwealth countries who have a far more strict interpretation of Christianity than the liberal easy-going english who now rarely attend any church activity (unless u count the holy Shopping Mall). this conflict is apparent with the current Church's obsession with SEX.

[Prospero]

Okay Gslang. I agree with that. The very liberal present Archbishop of Canterbury has fought a lone liberal fight and is almost certain to be replaved by someone much more conservative. Though not - it seems - John Setamu (thank God ? lol)

[gslang]

having once spread an empire for God and country, its ironic that the increasing influence in the CHurch of England of commonwealth members (and those with roots there) over the indifferent traditonal-english who prefer to worship the mammon of money/football/shemales...

i know whose altar i would rather kneel before...
...and take the (blasphemy...blasphemy..).

shame the brain-virus of organized religion is still around, in these enlightened times..

[Prospero]

Enlightened times, Gslang? That is surely meant to be an ironic remark?

[Stavros]

That the Founders Fathers went out of their way to separate their new government system from religion, of any kind, has been ignored and side-stepped by the steady rise of the extreme elements of the religious/political groupings over many years.

Unlike the UK, with its intwined national church that has legal advantages and incorporation within the governing system....but an increasing indifferent population. The US has a supposed separation with a very religious active population.

Perhaps this fear of the uncertain future is abetted by the knowledge that their own majority (white christian) is under threat....
with the US reaching a crucial tipping point..more babies are now born to minorities...
interesting times ahead, i guess then everyone in US will be minority.

Surely in America there are no citizens who are minorities, because all Americans are equal -? You could have a minority of people of a particular religious or political affiliation, or who identify themselves as being gay or straight -allowing for those who don't identify themselves in terms of gender or sexuality-but you either have Americans or you don't. I think this tendency to categorise people is part of the bogus science that developed in the 19th century -present in much literature and thought before- which for example presented Race as if it actually meant something. The underlying purpose is to rank people according to various criteria, intelligence, religious identity, place of birth, sexuality, political loyalty and so on. It is particularly absurd in the US because the history of the development of the country cannot be written as if only one identifiable group in society had made it -the Pilgrim Fathers, the Federalists and so on- the secret of success in the US lies precisely in the diversity of the people who made it, and who must believe they have an equal chance of getting the best out of it in order to maintain their faith in it. In the UK, class preceded any discussion of 'otherness' and retains its not-so-quaint stranglehold on our fate.

[onmyknees]

When you go to the polls to vote this November don't forget to take a photocopy of your personalized book jacket with you as proof of citizenship; they're considered by some to be much more reliable then the official long form birth certificate. Happy voting.


I won't need it, but I certainly hope I'll need to show proof of residency like 70 % of Americans would gladly do.

You're a hopeless shill Trish who many months ago left truth and objectivity behind for ideology. Nobody in the original article nor any responsible journalist writing about the article was questioning his birthplace, but you immediately jumped to the birther defense and attacked the messenger..Maybe take some time to ponder the questions the author raises below. Consider it therapy for a broken heart !!!!!! lol



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Yesterday, Big Government reported (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii) that back in 1991, Obama’s literary agency, Acton & Dystel, put out a bio claiming he was born in Kenya:
http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Obama-Column1.png
Which is weird, because as all reasonable people know by now, Obama was born in Hawaii.
And of course, the left’s reaction has been predictable: “Hurr, hurr, Birthers, derp derp!” Because apparently, sometime within the last 24 hours, “Birther” has been redefined to mean “somebody who believes Obama wasn’t born in Kenya.” The word “Birther” means whatever lefties need it to mean, at the moment they need it to mean that. Just like every other word in every other language.
Unless you’re a credulous rube, it sure does look like Obama told his literary agency that he was born in Kenya for some reason. And the false information wasn’t corrected until April 2007 (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/Obama-pamphlet-in-use-2007), a couple of months after he launched his presidential campaign.
“But wait,” you protest. “How do you know Obama wrote that? How do you know he ever even saw it? Shut up!” Well, we all know that Obama is the exception to every rule, so maybe he’s the exception to this one too. Author and television producer Steve Boman writes at Breitbart.com (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/18/dystel-biography-submission-guidelines-obama-kenya-fact-checking-error) about his own mid-’90s working relationship with literary agent Miriam Goderich, the woman who now claims the “born in Kenya” misinformation was somehow a “fact-checking error” (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/05/17/literary_agent_says_1991_booklet_was_a_mistake.htm l):

Now let me say right up front: when it comes to Obama, I’m not going to speculate who wrote what, when. Dystel had assistants, one of whom is now her partner, Miriam Goderich, who says the whole Obama-born-in-Kenya thing was a fact-checking mistake by her. And I cannot speak specifically to the mechanism of Dystel’s publicity. (Alas, Dystel was unable to sell anything I wrote, so she had no reason to promote me, but I’m getting ahead of myself.)
I can speak of what she was like to work with and how she generated material. In my dealings with Dystel, I found her exceptionally thorough and very professional. She had a template she wanted non-fiction writers to follow, and my writing partner and I followed her template closely. She was rather fastidious, going so far as to mail a personal “Season’s Greetings” card in December.
All material she used in our proposals came directly from me and my writing partner. She edited our rough-draft proposals and gave us feedback, but the final versions were all ours. Our final versions, bio included, were then simply photo-copied, by us, and distributed to potential publishers. This was back in the pre-Google days, recall.
I was asked to write the bio in the third person.
Lefties, I will now pause while you go look up “third person.”

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Got it? Okay.
So, either Obama wrote his own bio, as Boman was required to, or he didn’t. If he did, why did he claim he was born in Kenya, when we all know he was actually born in Hawaii?
If Obama didn’t write that, for whatever reason, who did? Why did that person think Obama was born in Kenya? In what possible sense is botching a client’s birthplace by 10,000 miles a “fact-checking error”? And why did Obama let it slide for 16 years, until he decided to run for president?
I suppose it’s possible that Obama told the truth and wrote “born in Hawaii,” but then this fact-checker changed it to “Kenya.” If that’s what happened, why did it happen?
And is there a particular reason I’m not supposed to ask any of these things?
Maybe Miriam Goderich needs more time to work on her story. I tried asking her about it this morning:

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2163908711/DontEatMyDog_normal.jpg Jim Treacher @jtLOL (https://twitter.com/jtLOL)
Hi, @MiriamGoderich (https://twitter.com/MiriamGoderich). You said the "born in Kenya" part of Obama's bio was a "fact-checking error." Who wrote the copy? Who added that part?




No response yet, but I’ll let you know.
Obama was born in Hawaii. Why did he claim otherwise? And if he didn’t, who did and why?
Put on your thinking caps, Obama fans. You can do this.

[Stavros]

Put on your thinking caps, Obama fans. You can do this. Obama was born in Hawaii. Why did he claim otherwise? And if he didn’t, who did and why?
No response yet, but I’ll let you know.


Obama was born in Kenya, as in, Barack's father. I could say that Norman Schwarzkopf arrived in Tehran in 1953 with a suitcase full of dollars that were used to pay wrestlers, thugs and agent provocateur's to demonstrate against Musadeq, to break-up pro-government demonstrations, and so on -and you would think, hmmm, I thought he was Commander of US forces in the Gulf War in 1991. Right on both counts, except one was father, and the other, son. But then literary agents are perfect and can't get anything wrong...like journalists I suppose?

[trish]

New route to U.S. citizenship: Mexicans who print and present to U.S. authorities a dust cover claiming they were born in the U.S. are now awarded U.S. citizenship

[robertlouis]

Re the OP: does the term "clutching at straws" come to mind?

[Ben]

Delirious Donald on Obama's birth certificate. Granted, Trump is a great self promoter:

Donald Trump Goes Birther Insane, Mitt Romney Fundraises with Him - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2tlLINmnaQ&feature=plcp)

CNN 05 29 2012 16 10 30 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyYzMaxQvkk)

[robertlouis]

Delirious Donald on Obama's birth certificate. Granted, Trump is a great self promoter:



That translates in the UK as "absurd wanker".

And be glad, so glad, that he didn't get the GOP nomination. After all, if he'd actually won, then Kim Jong Un wouldn't be the world leader with the worst hair.