Is knowing that a TS is not sexually attracted to men ever a turn off for you gents?

[Nicole Dupre]

I think watching steamy sex of any kind is difficult not to get aroused from. I don't like watching guys fuck, but passion is passion. It's hard to fake imo.

But a lot of times guys complain that porn looks way too unenthusiastic or faked, in terms of the genuine lust you would hope is there. So my question is, does knowing that some of the TS porn models you see are only having sex with men for a few bucks, and not because they're genuinely into having sex with them, ever a turn off for you guys?

Like, when Mel Gibson used the "n" word repeatedly over the phone, didn't it make all of those scenes he did with Danny Glover and Tina Turner seem completely fake, and maybe even just a little offensive?

This is probably going to be a thread that Amy Daly won't like. I'm just preparing myself. lol...

[tsparrow69]

The Question: Is knowing that a TS is not sexually attracted to men ever a turn off for you gents?
The Response: I have only been with transgender women whom are bottoms only and really put effort into their femininity. I have met a few TS Ladies whom do not want to be with men in a monogomous LTR or just a friendship, so YES IT IS A MAJOR TURN-OFF WHEN A TS LADY IS UNATTRACTED TO ME!

[Prospero]

Two answers.
1. if I am a paying customer of an escort - yes it surely is off putting if the lady makes it clear she is NOT attracted to me. She is supposed to act as if she is.
2. If we are dating then she would not be with me if she were not attracted.

As for porn scenes. Well I don't really watch much of the stuff - believe it or not.

[buttslinger]

As a frustrated porn Director, I'm horrified that a good director and producer can't spin the negatives into positives in an Adult Feature Film. Have a good script pre-storyboarded, using the strengths of your cast. A TS girl who doesn't like guys? Dust off an Oscar, I can make a feature length drama out of that. I could even make a hit comedy out of that. As a rule I'd have to say that most porn actresses aren't Meryl Streep. So don't even go there. Think FILM NOIR. - A TS street whore who is in a big jam and only thinks about herself. She needs CASH- and lots of it. What does she do? She uses that ass to run the grift on some dumb and not so dumb clients. A murder, a witness, and a girl in trouble with nowhere to turn.........With the backdrop of LA's seedy sex underground. Before the end of this night fate will take a hand.

Actually Mel Gibson might be available for a lead in this film.


The name of my company would be Miracle Productions
if it's a quality motion picture, it's a miracle......

[maaarc]

I don't watch much porn cause I consider it to be a highly addictive drug that can easily have a negative impact on your life. fortunately, most of it is of laughably poor quality and to me a waste of time and cum. cum is supposed to be shot in and or on funholes not ignobly wiped off with a Kleenex and discarded like snot.

on the few occasions I have allowed myself to watch what IMHO is quality sleaze it has invariably sent me into a murderous rage that some smuck is having sex with someone I want to fuck!!! this is doubly the case where any of those filthy little lesbos are concerned cause I end up hating and desiring both partners.

[tsmandy]

Nicole why are you trolling so much these days?

[BigBlackMan]

Don't pay for sex. If she don't want me, I'm fine with just beating my dick.

[Nowhere]

All I know is that it's extremely obvious when anyone of any gender is in a film and not into what they're doing it. Something seems off, always, and you could read it a mile away.

That's why I think amateur things are on the rise and so many people are watching cam stuff.

Personally, I think the best answer is to just be real and do what you like. Isn't that a win for everyone?

And, even better, why don't more COUPLES into exhibition get into porn together (exclusively with each other, only)?

Those videos are always the hottest (amateur or not) since you can just see they're loving it.

[Nicole Dupre]

Nicole why are you trolling so much these days?
This is trolling? Holy shit. How is it trolling? How can people claim it's trolling unless it's aimed directly at them? Amy just said all implants look and feel fake the other day. Is she "trolling" every girl doing porn who has implants? Should Vaniity and Allanah feel "trolled"?

Look. If you want me to be banned or something, just request it. Because from my perspective, you're trolling me right now. I wasn't even discussing you.

Is this forum officially not for any other girls but the ones with porn careers now? Wtf?

[tsmandy]

Nah, I never want to see you banned. You've made me think and laugh & sometimes really pissed for just about as long as I've had anything to do with the online TS world.

Maybe I'm not familiar with the term trolling that I just used, but it seems like the sole purpose of this thread is to get a rise out of/ pick a fight with TS girls that like women. If I'm wrong I apologize.

As for me, I'm attracted to people of any gender, but I tend to have more emotional & intimate relationships with women, and I get a lot of shit from men about it. I don't really see why that is anyones business, unless somehow a blow job is only really hot if someone knows I might fall for them.

I know my clients don't really care about my well being, emotional happiness, financial well being etc...they want what they want, and deep down they know that I'm with them because they are paying, but the fantasy is more important on both ends...

If I misread the situation my apologies, but please don't go on the warpath against all TS girls who happen to be sex workers and into women.

[buttslinger]

As a proud member of the United States Postal Service, I give this War a PG-13 rating.

[Tika]

This is trolling? Holy shit. How is it trolling? How can people claim it's trolling unless it's aimed directly at them? Amy just said all implants look and feel fake the other day. Is she "trolling" every girl doing porn who has implants? Should Vaniity and Allanah feel "trolled"?


In the case of "all implants look and feel fake", Vaniity shouldn't feel trolled but Allanah should. :loser:

[Nicole Dupre]

I'm pretty accustomed to being able to socialize with gay men, lesbians, and transsexuals, and have honest discussions about whatever's happening in our lives. Truth be told, I sometimes miss living in a real gayborhood like Wilton Manors, FL or the West Village of Manhattan where people don't have hang-ups about any of this crap. So if I somewhat let the pretenses surrounding this little TS porn community fall by the waist side, forgive me.

A lot of the younger lesbian TGs are what I believe certain people would refer to as "suburban gay", meaning they remained in a little vacuum somewhere until they came out to a pretty small group of people, and their whole lgbt experience has whatever limited reference points they were exposed to in those earliest days. I think that brand of naivety is where a lot of people are stuck when they step into the world of actually doing tranny porn. I think a lot of transbians were actually hetero young men who became lesbian transsexuals almost overnight, and shemale porn scenarios are the rosy picture they want to project onto their underdeveloped sex lives, like something out of one of their favorite comic books. "How thrilling to kiss girls and not be forced into all that yucky boy stuff!" lol Uhhhhh, yeah. I think that whole mind set is goofy as all fuck.

Anyway, I find people's libidos and gender personas, and the roads they lead them to, to be fascinating and often, unfortunately, tragic. I've watched all of these lgbt sexual misfits find their footing in the the big bad real world since I was in my early teens. I've seen the leceherous closet cases stick their hands into fire and dabble in our little world for as long. And, forgive me, but from my perspective the hetero CDs, and vapid young transbians who they potentially become, are somewhat of a bore. I don't care if they stumbled into the world of tranny porn all bright eyed and bushy tailed, because from my perspective that honeymoon doesn't last long.

Maybe I'm too rooted in the world societal reject faggots. Maybe my sense of "community" doesn't equate into porn dollars. I don't know. But this is me. I 'walked the walk' since my early teens and I'm not apologizing for it or sugarcoating it just for a lousy sign up or two on a porn forum, in a thread that will likely be buried and forgotten in mere weeks.

People who actually know me, know that I'm not a cruel or hateful person, especially towards the lgbt population. But FFS get real once in a while, people. It won't kill you. I promise.

[Nicole Dupre]

In the case of "all implants look and feel fake", Vaniity shouldn't feel trolled but Allanah should. :loser:
Shut the fuck up, weirdo.

[AmyDaly]

In the case of "all implants look and feel fake", Vaniity shouldn't feel trolled but Allanah should. :loser:

Meh. Nicole is embellishing again. I never said that. I even named a few of my favorite pairs of fake tits. I said most of the ones I have seen do. She is just trying to troll and get a rise. I could of easily say that she said all trans lesbians are actually men, but I don't care to twist people's words like she does.

[Nicole Dupre]

?

Are you high or do you need your meds upgraded? Who am I getting a rise out of other than you? lol

You act like this was a taboo topic for everyone but me. Get over yourself, Amy. By all means, put me on ignore if I've stumbled upon some personal sore spot issue of yours. You're boring me to tears at this point with the broken record routine. Go do your homework or watch some shemale porn, you sad girl. JFC. *smdh

[RallyCola]

getting back on topic...

...Is knowing that a TS is not sexually attracted to men ever a turn off for you gents?

As porn is strictly fantasy and done for money/entertainment...an starlet's performance is what matters. Whether the performance suffers as the tgirl isn't into her partner or for any other reason, it is a turn off for that scene. I may or may not like her solo work or other scenes but it is a scene to scene basis. For me to be 100% turned off to a performer, most of their scenes have to annoy me. If the girl cannot overcome her preferences or issues and act like she is having a good time, I won't bother watching/downloading/paying for a membership. Case in point, Kimber James and Bailey Jay. I love to see static images because each girl is damn hot...but both have very VERY boring scenes and I don't even bother anymore because there are far better porn performers out there than them.

Now, in real life, I have no use for strict genetic lesbians and so-called "transbians" because they are useless to me. (Bi girls are the greatest women in the world!) When I know that because of my sex and gender, there would be no chance of a hook up, I won't even pay attention.

The best example I can give is that of one of my latest internet obsessions: Tiffany Starr. I love her look and I love watching her have sex on the internet with any partner. Her TS Seduction scene where she topped is a little uninspired at times but overall, I love to watch her work. Even though I love to watch her scenes, if I saw her sitting at a bar, I wouldn't hit on her as I know it would be pointless since she likes g and t girls.

[Nicole Dupre]

getting back on topic...

...Is knowing that a TS is not sexually attracted to men ever a turn off for you gents?

As porn is strictly fantasy and done for money/entertainment...an starlet's performance is what matters. Whether the performance suffers as the tgirl isn't into her partner or for any other reason, it is a turn off for that scene. I may or may not like her solo work or other scenes but it is a scene to scene basis. For me to be 100% turned off to a performer, most of their scenes have to annoy me. If the girl cannot overcome her preferences or issues and act like she is having a good time, I won't bother watching/downloading/paying for a membership. Case in point, Kimber James and Bailey Jay. I love to see static images because each girl is damn hot...but both have very VERY boring scenes and I don't even bother anymore because there are far better porn performers out there than them.

Now, in real life, I have no use for strict genetic lesbians and so-called "transbians" because they are useless to me. (Bi girls are the greatest women in the world!) When I know that because of my sex and gender, there would be no chance of a hook up, I won't even pay attention.

The best example I can give is that of one of my latest internet obsessions: Tiffany Starr. I love her look and I love watching her have sex on the internet with any partner. Her TS Seduction scene where she topped is a little uninspired at times but overall, I love to watch her work. Even though I love to watch her scenes, if I saw her sitting at a bar, I wouldn't hit on her as I know it would be pointless since she likes g and t girls.
Thank you for at least trying to steer the topic back on course.

For me, it's somewhat the opposite, although I don't watch gay porn to masturbate. But gay men are often very sexy. However (write this down if you were thinking of starting an 'am I gay" thread) gay men are NOT into transsexuals for fucking purposes. Gay men are often more like our sisters. I love gay men in the platonic sense, and many of them make incredible eye candy. But there's at least a 50/50 chance that a good-looking, well-dressed guy in Manhattan will be a gay bottom. Life is fucking cruel. lol

[AmyDaly]

?

Are you high or do you need your meds upgraded? Who am I getting a rise out of other than you? lol

You act like this was a taboo topic for everyone but me. Get over yourself, Amy. By all means, put me on ignore if I've stumbled upon some personal sore spot issue of yours. You're boring me to tears at this point with the broken record routine. Go do your homework or watch some shemale porn, you sad girl. JFC. *smdh

lol u mad

[Nicole Dupre]

lol u mad
Uhhhhm no. lol

... you titless hetero CD on 'mones. :party:

[Ben]

I think watching steamy sex of any kind is difficult not to get aroused from. I don't like watching guys fuck, but passion is passion. It's hard to fake imo.

But a lot of times guys complain that porn looks way too unenthusiastic or faked, in terms of the genuine lust you would hope is there. So my question is, does knowing that some of the TS porn models you see are only having sex with men for a few bucks, and not because they're genuinely into having sex with them, ever a turn off for you guys?

Like, when Mel Gibson used the "n" word repeatedly over the phone, didn't it make all of those scenes he did with Danny Glover and Tina Turner seem completely fake, and maybe even just a little offensive?

This is probably going to be a thread that Amy Daly won't like. I'm just preparing myself. lol...

"... having sex with men for a few bucks, and not because they're genuinely into having sex with them, ever a turn off for you guys?"

Well, the octogenarian and social critic/author/professor Noam Chomsky has an interesting take on the whole pornographic industry. (Albeit most people, on this site, won't agree with him. But he doesn't think it should be banned. He merely thinks it's degrading.)

The Price of Pleasure - Noam Chomsky on Pornography (Extra Feature) - Available on DVD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNlRoaFTHuE)

[AmyDaly]

Uhhhhm no. lol

... you titless hetero CD on 'mones. :party:

uh oh.Gay boy with fake boobs is upset now.

[Nicole Dupre]

uh oh.Gay boy with fake boobs is upset now.
If I'm a "faggot", you are definitely a hetero crossdresser. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

But I can live with "faggot". I've been discriminated against for being "gay" before. And you've already dissed my sexuality here. You're just showing your true colors now.

[AmyDaly]

I can live with "hetero crossdresser". I've been discriminated against for being "transbian" before. And you've already dissed my sexuality here. You're just showing your true colors now.

[Nicole Dupre]

I can live with "hetero crossdresser". I've been discriminated against for being "transbian" before. And you've already dissed my sexuality here. You're just showing your true colors now.
That's probably why you began dissing my sexuality in the first place when I clearly wasn't even talking about you. You're stuck in a vicious circle. But I always show my true colors. I'd rather have fake tits than a fake personality like yours.

[AmyDaly]

That's probably why you began dissing my sexuality in the first place when I clearly wasn't even talking about you. You're stuck in a vicious circle. But I always show my true colors. I'd rather have fake tits than a fake personality like yours.
You felt the need to keep bringing up my name and then decided to lie about what I said, which is why I came in here. It sounds to me like you are the one stuck in a cycle since you want to keep bringing me up. And I'm fine with someone on the internet thinking my personality is fake. You act as if I am the only one commenting in here against you, but even Mandy recognized and commented on what you are doing. If you don't want me in here, don't bring me up or make a topic that I think is interesting.

[Nicole Dupre]

But I wasn't "commenting against" you or Mandy. I just predicted that you would need to dis me again, and I was right. I know what makes you feel insecure now. You let me know all about it last week. Tonight you decided to call me a "faggot" because evidently it hit too close to home. I guess being a lesbian who makes porn for guys who you would never want to have sex with must make you feel guilty and insecure. And you're like a wind-up toy at this point. All I have to do is point out that want the money of people who probably sexually repulse you, and I can practically do a countdown for when you'll appear on my thread and insult me. It's actually a pretty cool little trick that I can use to fuck with you if I want to, now that you've let me know. lol You demand my attention by coming onto the thread and protesting what you know is obviously true. And now you're recruiting Mandy as an ally I s'pose. lol Fascinating. :)

[Nicole Dupre]

Oh, and I like the ultimatum. Nice touch. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

I think we know who's angry and easily provoked now, now don't we? ;-) lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Well I'm a bit bored with all of this now, and I'm sure Amy has bigger issues to deal with. I don't want to distract her from her homework or give her another excuse to neglect her GF. She's pretty one-dimensional and tedious anyway, and I don't feel like babysitting her anymore tonight.

Have fun, folks. :)

[AmyDaly]

I never lowered myself to personal attacks and insults when you decided to loose your shit in the last thread even though you may have taken it that way since you got all upset. Look at you. You can't even stop bringing me up in a new thread that you made and now that I replied to you, you just made 4 new posts in a row furiously flapping your fingers against the keyboard like some text chat warrior. Mandy decided to post on her own before I was even in here. You've even been banned from here before and HungDevils. Obviously others recognize how you are. The levels of butthurt are off the charts for me speaking my opinion in that other thread. Otherwise you wouldn't of wanted to get all personal. Why don't get more upset and start making fun of me for being Autistic or "my meds" some more. It just furthers my point.

[Nicole Dupre]

:party:


I never lowered myself to personal attacks and insults when you decided to loose your shit in the last thread even though you may have taken it that way since you got all upset. Look at you. You can't even stop bringing me up in a new thread that you made and now that I replied to you, you just made 4 new posts in a row furiously flapping your fingers against the keyboard like some text chat warrior. Mandy decided to post on her own before I was even in here. You've even been banned from here before and HungDevils. Obviously others recognize how you are. The levels of butthurt are off the charts for me speaking my opinion in that other thread. Otherwise you wouldn't of wanted to get all personal. Why don't get more upset and start making fun of me for being Autistic or "my meds" some more. It just furthers my point.
Now you need to play the autism card?!? OMG! This is fucking priceless! :-)

Seems like you need some meds for your emotional problems, honey. That was all I meant by that. I don't know or care whatever the hell else you have. Maybe you're constipated too. Who knows? Maybe give yourself an enema. You'll feel better. lol

Look. You're obviously intimidated by hetero transsexuals with boobs, and I stumbled upon it. I honestly couldn't make shit like that up, but now I know it's true. Well thank you for sharing. I hope you feel better getting it off your... chest. ;-) lol I mean, shit. You volunteered the information over an observation about the banners. It did NOT take much. lol

And I'm sure you'll do your best to play the insider politics of this forum, which is what they're all based on anyway, to get me banned. ;-) In fact, you begging Steven to ban me will give me the best laugh yet. :) By all means, please do! That will confirm even more how insecure, fake, and sneaky you are! :tongue:

[AmyDaly]

I thought you were done for the night? Keep flapping those fingers on the keyboard, little text chat warrior. What else do you want to say about me? Get it off your chest. Let that rage flow through you. It obviously makes you feel better to talk down to people and make fun of people. Lets hear some more of that rage lol

thread derailment successful

[catherinefan]

Oops! Guess this thread is not a safe place for a genetic woman who happens to have a passion for so-called transbians. LOL

[giovanni_hotel]

http://steelturman.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/cat_fight_4_1.jpghttp://nwso.net/wp-content/plugins/php-image-cache/image.php?path=/uploads/2011/09/Catty-Women.jpghttp://www.planebuzz.com/flying-cat-fight.jpg

[Tiffany Starr]

I have an idea instead of hostility lets all play super smash bros brawl.

[Nicole Dupre]

Well pardon me for waking up to to tinkle and going online for five minutes. Does that event qualify as a personal triumph for you?

I bet it does when you're a lesbian living with a GF who you ignore because you're too busy coming on HA and trying to create a sad little porn career. Why don't you clean up those McDonald's wrappers that supposedly are littered all over your pigsty bedroom instead, little miss lesbian porn star.

I guess putting me on your ignore list would mean you'd have less of an excuse to remain emotionally available for wife, who hates the idea that you've got this little obsession with a porn "career". Or did your little porn passion destroy that relationship by now?

As we both know anyway, you CAN'T ignore me. I'm the flame and you're the moth. So keep those Big Mac stained fingers of yours, which have a reputation for ignoring your GF's sexual needs, flipping away on your keyboard. lol

[maaarc]

I have an idea instead of hostility lets all play super smash bros brawl.

great Idea!!!

[Nicole Dupre]

Tiffany, we could simply post about the topic if Amy wasn't such a basket case.

I mean, all of this over asking if flat chested trannies and fem boys are the next phase of TS porn? And suddenly people's sexualities qualify them to be judges of breasts? Holy shit.

You know, as a matter of fact, I did a shoot and a bunch of videos with Tara Emory, and I'm not even a lesbian. But sure, it was fun. It was awesome as a matter of fact. lol But I am not a lesbian in my day to day life. But I still enjoyed sucking Tara's dick and having her fuck me in the ass. In fact, I played her sub, and I'm not even submissive AT ALL. lol And I don't think of ANY women that way. But it was porn. And it was fun. What's so bad about that? Are transbians who watch porn going to care? I don't know, but let them reply to this thread and say so. I'd be curious. But wtf was so bad about this thread? Somehow Mandy thought this a "trolling" thread, and obviously that was all Amy needed to hear to come unhinged. If anything, I now have more reason to wonder about what the hell goes through the heads of the transbians who do porn, now more than ever. You people need to chill the fuck out. No one cares who you fuck in your private lives, and obviously your tit sizes are just fine with your fans. Get the fuck over yourselves.

[Tiffany Starr]

great Idea!!!

I will rock you as Zelda! DINS FIRE!

[Nicole Dupre]

Btw I'm putting Amy on ignore now. There's something really unsavory about her trolling me like this. I'm getting a vibe from her like the one I did from that other crazy transbian CD from Hungdevils who shot and killed his wife. There's more going on behind that keyboard than I care to know about at this point. For instance, I never knew, nor did I need to know, that she was mildly autistic.

So best of luck to Amy with school and her career. I will now take her off of my radar now and let her get back to her rewarding and satisfying life.

And if the threads are too provocative overall for the forum, I'm sure the management will take them down or ban me, or even both.

This thread has been derailed, so much so that it no longer holds my interest.

[christianxxx]

I have discussed this very topic with a few TS girls in the biz.

As a performer, I don't mind it as long as they are into the scene. If a girl said "i don't want to kiss you or something like that, I would be turned off" other than that, i dont care as long as I am attracted to them. lol

Personally,I find it strange. I guess its because I am a man (and probably ignorant as well). I get gender and sexuality mixed up all the time. But I think its really strange to go through all that struggle to become a female (hormones, boobs, surgery, vocal training, hair stuff, laser, nails, etc) in order to ostensibly be more attractive to the opposite sex AND invite a world full of the harsh realities for transgender people to THEN turn around and continue to want to be with women. I hope I just made sense.

I guess I assume that the TS girls who undergo this radical change in order to feel better about themselves and their gender AND sexuality do all of that because they feel the need to be with a man. Okay that sounds really caveman of me.

I hope I didn't offend anyone. My apologies beforehand if I just did.

PS. I love my Amy Daly very much. I would do anything for her. I used to want to work with Nicole Dupre.....keyword - used to. Too much hatred for me. No bueno.

[giovanni_hotel]

I don't get lezbo TGs either, but it's one of those things.
It's like when I discovered that many GG lezbos are big into dildos and strapons. And I'm thinking, ya know a MAN could have helped you out with that!!lol

[omack]

Porn is designed for fantasy in my opinion. Doesn't mke any difference to me whether the performers are loving the moment or not. So long as I find it arousing it serves the purpose for me. Whip it out, fantasize, rub one out, done. If I looked too far into the emotional dynamics of the performers I would never enjoy porn for the purpose that i use it for. Which is also why I don't use escorts, so yeah, In the real world, it can be a bit of a turnoff but at the end of the day, I',m a total savage dude and i wold fuck the tits off of a chick even if she didnt think I was handsome if i could for free... I'm just not gonna pay money to put myself in that situation. And in closing, of course, passionate sex with high levels of mutual attraction and intensity is always better. That goes without saying.

[AmyDaly]

I have discussed this very topic with a few TS girls in the biz.

As a performer, I don't mind it as long as they are into the scene. If a girl said "i don't want to kiss you or something like that, I would be turned off" other than that, i dont care as long as I am attracted to them. lol

Personally,I find it strange. I guess its because I am a man (and probably ignorant as well). I get gender and sexuality mixed up all the time. But I think its really strange to go through all that struggle to become a female (hormones, boobs, surgery, vocal training, hair stuff, laser, nails, etc) in order to ostensibly be more attractive to the opposite sex AND invite a world full of the harsh realities for transgender people to THEN turn around and continue to want to be with women. I hope I just made sense.

I guess I assume that the TS girls who undergo this radical change in order to feel better about themselves and their gender AND sexuality do all of that because they feel the need to be with a man. Okay that sounds really caveman of me.

I hope I didn't offend anyone. My apologies beforehand if I just did.

PS. I love my Amy Daly very much. I would do anything for her. I used to want to work with Nicole Dupre.....keyword - used to. Too much hatred for me. No bueno.

hehe Love you too : ) Shes just mad. Look at her go. Glad I made it to her ignore list so she can stop obsessing. I think you and I both know we have some fun together. You know you're my favorite : )

[onmyknees]

I don't know what to think of all this.....I'm feeling left out. ND usually reserves this kind of effort for a select few ( and I'm guessing I'm on that list) . With Amy on ignore what comes next? lol

[Tiffany Starr]

I have discussed this very topic with a few TS girls in the biz.

As a performer, I don't mind it as long as they are into the scene. If a girl said "i don't want to kiss you or something like that, I would be turned off" other than that, i dont care as long as I am attracted to them. lol

Personally,I find it strange. I guess its because I am a man (and probably ignorant as well). I get gender and sexuality mixed up all the time. But I think its really strange to go through all that struggle to become a female (hormones, boobs, surgery, vocal training, hair stuff, laser, nails, etc) in order to ostensibly be more attractive to the opposite sex AND invite a world full of the harsh realities for transgender people to THEN turn around and continue to want to be with women. I hope I just made sense.

I guess I assume that the TS girls who undergo this radical change in order to feel better about themselves and their gender AND sexuality do all of that because they feel the need to be with a man. Okay that sounds really caveman of me.

I hope I didn't offend anyone. My apologies beforehand if I just did.

PS. I love my Amy Daly very much. I would do anything for her. I used to want to work with Nicole Dupre.....keyword - used to. Too much hatred for me. No bueno.

sexuality isn't tied to gender. If you go through an exploring phase and find out your bi or don't like women after all and like men thats fine, but girls don't transition to be with men, thats foolish. We transition because it's who we are and being anything else is a depressing lie. Thats how I see it, so it makes sense to me. I get tons of women the way I am so my gender has nothing to do with whom i can get or what I like.

[Tiffany Starr]

I don't know what to think of all this.....I'm feeling left out. ND usually reserves this kind of effort for a select few ( and I'm guessing I'm on that list) . With Amy on ignore what comes next? lol

the only logical thing that can come nexy...me and you play marvel vs capcom 3 :-D

[RallyCola]

the only logical thing that can come nexy...me and you play marvel vs capcom 3 :-D

picked up ultimate marvel vs. capcom...and i rule at that game.

[Jamie French]

I'd never date a girl! That's so gro... wait.

[tsmandy]

I have discussed this very topic with a few TS girls in the biz.

As a performer, I don't mind it as long as they are into the scene. If a girl said "i don't want to kiss you or something like that, I would be turned off" other than that, i dont care as long as I am attracted to them. lol

Personally,I find it strange. I guess its because I am a man (and probably ignorant as well). I get gender and sexuality mixed up all the time. But I think its really strange to go through all that struggle to become a female (hormones, boobs, surgery, vocal training, hair stuff, laser, nails, etc) in order to ostensibly be more attractive to the opposite sex AND invite a world full of the harsh realities for transgender people to THEN turn around and continue to want to be with women. I hope I just made sense.

I guess I assume that the TS girls who undergo this radical change in order to feel better about themselves and their gender AND sexuality do all of that because they feel the need to be with a man. Okay that sounds really caveman of me.

I hope I didn't offend anyone. My apologies beforehand if I just did.

PS. I love my Amy Daly very much. I would do anything for her. I used to want to work with Nicole Dupre.....keyword - used to. Too much hatred for me. No bueno.

Yeah pretty caveman dude.

[Nivek]

In one word? Yes!

[catherinefan]

sexuality isn't tied to gender.


I have always believed this to be true, but the transsexual gender is causing me to have second thoughts.

After all, if hetero men transitioned into womanhood at the same rate as gay men, then lesbianism would be far more common among transsexual girls.

So, isn't there at least some link between gender and sexuality?

Love to hear you thoughts on this, Tiffany and Mandy.

[BBaggins06]

I have always believed this to be true, but the transsexual gender is causing me to have second thoughts.

After all, if hetero men transitioned into womanhood at the same rate as gay men, then lesbianism would be far more common among transsexual girls.

So, isn't there at least some link between gender and sexuality?

Love to hear you thoughts on this, Tiffany and Mandy.

I'm not completely sure what you mean in your second sentence but I dated a girl who said she wasn't attracted to men until she started taking hormones. I'm sure she's not unique that way but I have no idea how prevalent that is either ...

[Jamie French]

Seems to me the transbians are always a lot more down to earth, prone to being dressed down, girl next door types... have some sort of grounded personality and real ambitions that lay way outside of gender issues, (they haven't painted themselves into a weird little corner where everything they do has to somehow tie in with gender) The ones who are exclusively into men always seem to have that glitzy hyper femme thing going on that genetic women don't even have. The more into men the more ties to the drag scene, club circuits, drug culture, etc. I've lived on both coasts and directly in the middle of the country so I've seen/met all types and that's just the way it seems to add up.

[Nicole Dupre]

Of course a pervy hetero crossdresser who wants to conquer porn thinks transbians are more down to earth and well-grounded. He's a dude. Guys usually have more in common with dykes. I'm sure Ellen Degeneres is just great to go hiking and bowling with. But that's not the most feminine behavior. Neither is living with a face full of razor stubble. The scary thing to me is, I can name literally dozens of serial killers who were crossdressers. Silence of the Lambs is based on a true story. There are plenty more.

But anyway that's the main difference between primary M2F transsexuals and trransbians. Transbians are paraphiliacs. They're different. Of course, many are perfectly sane, decent human beings.But the motivation behind it is different. Transbians tend to assimilate more with tomboy behavior, but when it comes to being truly feminine they struggle. Look at Erika. Erika wants to be a boxer and is proud of the scars on her face. Is that female behavior? She would argue that she's a modern woman. And I would argue that she's less-than-well transitioned M2F. I mean, how many of your mothers and sisters did porn, boxed, and had razor stubble on their faces? lol

[Jamie French]

Derp. Yawn. TLDR.


Of course a pervy hetero crossdresser who wants to conquer porn thinks transbians are more down to earth and well-grounded. He's a dude. Guys usually have more in common with dykes. I'm sure Ellen Degeneres is just great to go hiking and bowling with. But that's not the most feminine behavior. Neither is living with a face full of razor stubble. The scary thing to me is, I can name literally dozens of serial killers who were crossdressers. Silence of the Lambs is based on a true story. There are plenty more.

But anyway that's the main difference between primary M2F transsexuals and trransbians. Transbians are paraphiliacs. They're different. Of course, many are perfectly sane, decent human beings.But the motivation behind it is different. Transbians tend to assimilate more with tomboy behavior, but when it comes to being truly feminine they struggle. Look at Erika. Erika wants to be a boxer and is proud of the scars on her face. Is that female behavior? She would argue that she's a modern woman. And I would argue that she's less-than-well transitioned M2F. I mean, how many of your mothers and sisters did porn, boxed, and had razor stubble on their faces? lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Great response, duderino.

[Jamie French]

It shrieks into the wind... watch this ya'll, I can keep it typing forever. What a puppet.


Great response, duderino.

[RallyCola]

I agree with parts of Jamie and Nicole's posts above, but then both of you make such widespread accusations based on your biases and experiences, you fail to make your points well.

the amount of transition a person goes through and their motivation to do so are always multifaceted AND generally have little to do with who they want to have sex with.

womanhood/femininity is clearly something you 2 define differently. you 2 will never agree on what it means to be a woman/feminine. females don't even agree on what it is to be a woman/feminine.

the fact remains...feminine tgirls paved the way for acceptance. so called transbians are a result of that acceptance because more males now feel comfortable with minor procedures or hormones that will make them more feminine. under the umbrella term of transgender, we include anyone that does not occupy traditional gender roles. Within that term, if you want to start to break down individual groups based on level of transition, living arrangements, SO, etc, you can try but this argument cannot be solved since most people hate being labeled by others and want to categorize themselves. The problem with that is, again, most people cannot see passed their own biases and definitions.

a so called transbian is just a male that entered transition to be more feminine just as a tgirl that loves to cock did. how feminine they become is not up for debate because they will only go as far as they want to.

that said, if you want my opinion, I find few so-called transbians cute/hot/sexy but that is my personal bias. It works out well for me because they don't want my penis either! I just prefer a woman to look what I consider to be feminine and IMHO many (but obviously not all) self-identified transbians are more gender neutral than feminine.

[Jamie French]

I've never identified as a transbian outside of work. I use words that describe my scenes and photo sets appropriately on an case by case basis. Flesh in general is my job, regardless of gender. In my personal life I go with what makes the ol' heart happy... been with every kind and type. Right now I'm with Tiffany and I couldn't be happier. That thing I wrote was based on observation alone and not my own private experience.


I agree with parts of Jamie and Nicole's posts above, but then both of you make such widespread accusations based on your biases and experiences, you fail to make your points well.

the amount of transition a person goes through and their motivation to do so are always multifaceted AND generally have little to do with who they want to have sex with.

womanhood/femininity is clearly something you 2 define differently. you 2 will never agree on what it means to be a woman/feminine. females don't even agree on what it is to be a woman/feminine.

the fact remains...feminine tgirls paved the way for acceptance. so called transbians are a result of that acceptance because more males now feel comfortable with minor procedures or hormones that will make them more feminine. under the umbrella term of transgender, we include anyone that does not occupy traditional gender roles. Within that term, if you want to start to break down individual groups based on level of transition, living arrangements, SO, etc, you can try but this argument cannot be solved since most people hate being labeled by others and want to categorize themselves. The problem with that is, again, most people cannot see passed their own biases and definitions.

a so called transbian is just a male that entered transition to be more feminine just as a tgirl that loves to cock did. how feminine they become is not up for debate because they will only go as far as they want to.

that said, if you want my opinion, I find few so-called transbians cute/hot/sexy but that is my personal bias. It works out well for me because they don't want my penis either! I just prefer a woman to look what I consider to be feminine and IMHO many (but obviously not all) self-identified transbians are more gender neutral than feminine.

[Nicole Dupre]

I agree with parts of Jamie and Nicole's posts above, but then both of you make such widespread accusations based on your biases and experiences, you fail to make your points well.

the amount of transition a person goes through and their motivation to do so are always multifaceted AND generally have little to do with who they want to have sex with.

womanhood/femininity is clearly something you 2 define differently. you 2 will never agree on what it means to be a woman/feminine. females don't even agree on what it is to be a woman/feminine.

the fact remains...feminine tgirls paved the way for acceptance. so called transbians are a result of that acceptance because more males now feel comfortable with minor procedures or hormones that will make them more feminine. under the umbrella term of transgender, we include anyone that does not occupy traditional gender roles. Within that term, if you want to start to break down individual groups based on level of transition, living arrangements, SO, etc, you can try but this argument cannot be solved since most people hate being labeled by others and want to categorize themselves. The problem with that is, again, most people cannot see passed their own biases and definitions.

a so called transbian is just a male that entered transition to be more feminine just as a tgirl that loves to cock did. how feminine they become is not up for debate because they will only go as far as they want to.

that said, if you want my opinion, I find few so-called transbians cute/hot/sexy but that is my personal bias. It works out well for me because they don't want my penis either! I just prefer a woman to look what I consider to be feminine and IMHO many (but obviously not all) self-identified transbians are more gender neutral than feminine.
They're not widespread accusations. Transbians are labeled secondary by the Harry Benjamin Standards, which were the official mental health professional's guidelines on transsexuality for decades. Do a little research.

Personally, I don't completely agree with Harry Benjamin or Ray Blanchard, but their opinions are well-researched objective ones.

As for the guys looking for a sex object, I totally understand your point. You're simply just looking for erotica and NSA sex. That's what we're all here to provide you with. But that's got nothing to do with our lives outside of being sexworkers,.

And after reading Jamie's posts on the Daryl thread, "grounded" and "down to earth" are not words that come to mind. lol That sounds like the threatening words leading up to a fight breaking out in a prison; either that, or a suburban white boy talking shit online.

[Jamie French]

I like tacos.

[Erika1487]

Look at Erika. Erika wants to be a boxer and is proud of the scars on her face. Is that female behavior? She would argue that she's a modern woman. And I would argue that she's less-than-well transitioned M2F. I mean, how many of your mothers and sisters did porn, boxed, and had razor stubble on their faces? lol

You just Can't leave well enough alone..... :smh


The scary thing to me is, I can name literally dozens of serial killers who were crossdressers. Silence of the Lambs is based on a true story. There are plenty more.

Look your taking an awfully high road here considering you yourself where a failry late transitioner who has a pretty damn big body frame. I pesonally think your lying about when you transitioned. If not how do you explain this.....

Clearly you are in your early 20s when that photo was taken, so tell the truth....It's time to fess up....

[Nicole Dupre]

That photo was taken in 2004 backstage at Connexxions in Boonton NJ. I was a drag queen at that point. I didn't start living f/t until 7 years ago. I have dressed my entire life, started hooking in my mid teens in the West Village of Manhattan, right on the corner of Jane St. I passed and went with it. Actually I passed my whole life, even as a kid. I proved that to myself a long time ago. When I was 5 or 6, I paraded around our living room in makeup and my mom's clothes. It was frowned upon. lol I grew up always liking boys though. I had sex with a man when I was 14. I loved it. I ran away at 15 to Manhattan, and lived all over NY. I was a squatter, I lived in hooker hotels, I slept on the docks of the West Side Highway many nights. But I was never very masculine acting. I stayed around the queers in West Village. That way no one would kill me if hey found out. I got beaten up and bullied constantly as a kid for hanging out with the girls and jumping rope during recess. My best friend was a girl. Her name was Kate. She knew I dressed as a girl. She didn't care. We used to steal her mother's cigarettes and talk about boys and clothes. But like I said, I ran away. I was a transvestite prostitute. I've had bottles thrown at me, and had my life threatened countless times on those streets by passing cars. I eventually went back to school, and was very "gay". I got very skinny and dressed in both male and female clothing whenever the mood suited me. But I was always a priss. I always got nails done. I never liked sports or anything very boyish at all. I would never box or do anything like that. I did buy a few guns in case I needed to protect myself. But fight? lol If I had to, but I would never look for a fight. Anyway, I'm a lifelong faggot turned transsexual and proud of it. I have contempt for hetero CDs and guys like you who got a brain storm after they failed with women that they wanted to be lesbians. I think it's mental illness. Sorry.

And yeah, I'm 45. I did a lot of part timing, but i truly abandoned my male identity for good in my mid 30s.

[Nicole Dupre]

I was not in my early 20s when that photo was taken. Try mid 30s. But that's a pre-drag show candid shot if you're trying to hurt my feelings. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Look at yourself, Erika. Go look in the mirror at yourself being a boxer. You feel this is a womanly way to be? C'mon. Get real FFS. I know I look good for my age, or so I hear a lot. But I was basically never a hard dude like you. NEVER. And I never dated women. I fucked a pussy in my life once as an experiment and knew I was wasting my time. I wasn't going to like it or seek it out, so why bother? lol

In Edelweiss days, I was having my own little private parties right up the street in Hells Kitchen. ;-) My name was Penny then, or Penelope. You were probably playing football at that point I bet though. lol

[RallyCola]

nicole...your point, if there is one, is getting lost in your ranting. i really don't even know what is being debated here anymore. we are so far off the original topic that this thread just keeps getting muddied up with more stuff.

[RallyCola]

As for the guys looking for a sex object, I totally understand your point. You're simply just looking for erotica and NSA sex. That's what we're all here to provide you with. But that's got nothing to do with our lives outside of being sexworkers,.

you started this thread asking if men get turned off when they know a tgirl is a transbian or prefers tgirls and ggirls over masculine males.

what the hell is going on now...i have no idea.

[Nicole Dupre]

you started this thread asking if men get turned off when they know a tgirl is a transbian or prefers tgirls and ggirls over masculine males.

what the hell is going on now...i have no idea.
Don't ask me. The thread got hijacked the day it went up. I wanted to hear some real opinions, but we're getting every transbian basket case and his mother on here whining about how awful I was to start the thread. I thought it was a valid topic. There's gay-for-pay in porn. Who gives a shit if I created this topic? What's wrong with these people?

[rockabilly]

Pass the popcorn.

[gaffer]

You turn me on. Sorry you're out of the business and I've lost a chance to meet you.

[Nicole Dupre]

You turn me on. Sorry you're out of the business and I've lost a chance to meet you.
Escorting pretty much fucked up every relationship I had while I was doing it. And I'm not going into the nursing home someday sucking dicks for a buck. lol It had to end at some point, and I laid out the ground work to make it a lateral move. I'm content. Life is good. I hope to get SRS within maybe two years.

[Nicole Dupre]

Pass the popcorn.
People like to bitch, but my threads are always popular. This one's had a lot of hits for being up less than two days.

Face it. HA is like watching paint dry without me. ;-) lol

[RallyCola]

lol @ sucking dick at a nursing home for a buck.

if you neglect your teeth in your youth...would you be popular at a nursing home? there is nothing worse than a toothy blowjob is there?

[Nicole Dupre]

lol @ sucking dick at a nursing home for a buck.

if you neglect your teeth in your youth...would you be popular at a nursing home? there is nothing worse than a toothy blowjob is there?
I know how to suck a dick, sweetheart, even though my teeth are in good shape. lol

[maaarc]

People like to bitch, but my threads are always popular. This one's had a lot of hits for being up less than two days.

Face it. HA is like watching paint dry without me. ;-) lol

I seen dis yesterday and thought about yous cause yous is awesome OXXXO

[buttslinger]

I feel like I know Nicole because one of her pics (blue top, glasses) looks EXACTLY like my neighbor. When Nicole speaks, I hear my neighbor's voice. By the way, my neighbor loves to talk, she works on a News TALK RADIO station!

[Nicole Dupre]

Thank you. Thank you.

:)

[catherinefan]

Look at Erika. Erika wants to be a boxer and is proud of the scars on her face. Is that female behavior?


Some may argue a heavily tattooed body isn't all that feminine either.

[maaarc]

and I've decided I hate lesbos :) last year while I was vacationing on Maratha's vineyard my dog Mr. Chips, peed on one of the man haters - he really gave her a good soaking! I felt wicked bad about it at the time:( Now I'm gonna encourage Mr. Chips to pee on every last one of them stinky filthy little lesbo preverts I can find. YaY it's fun to hate people :):):)

[tsmandy]

Oh my god you are all insane. Days and days of arguing about what?

Look...I'm not a lesbian, I hate the word Transbian...it makes me ill. I like women. I like men. I like drugs. I like sex. I like pleasure and being a degenerate. I'm a hedonist. I'm a nihilist. I'm an anarchist. I'm a whore of babylon. I'm a temptress. I'm a monster. I'm queer as fun and I could give a fuck about being anything I'm supposed to be.

If you call yourself a transbian that's your prerogative but don't think I'm part of the club. I hang out with queers, I'm part of queer culture, I was a bi-sexual femme queer boy before I was trans, & I tend to find comfort around other queer people. I am attracted to men sexually, just not straight men. Straight men have to pay.

I make really hot porn, porn that is completely liberated from conventional understandings of sex or gender roles. I come to sow chaos and bring about the collapse of civilization, not reinforce petty useless gender roles.

[maaarc]

Oh my god you are all insane. .

as the bringer of chaos and mother of the collapse of civilization I would've thought you'd enjoy and appreciate insanity??? - well, I guess they don't make soul stealing succubi like they used to. SMH - at least you're wicked good looking and sexy! and most importantly you aint no lesbo

[tsmandy]

as the bringer of chaos and mother of the collapse of civilization I would've thought you'd enjoy and appreciate insanity??? - well, I guess they don't make soul stealing succubi like they used to. SMH - at least you're wicked good looking and sexy! and most importantly you aint no lesbo

I do appreciate insanity! I especially think crazy girls are hot. I'll never be a proper lesbo unless I get a pussy, otherwise every time I have sex the girls will be asking me to put on a strap on.

I'm a sexual opportunist. If its hot and I'm horny I go for it. If not I walk away and masturbate.

[LibertyHarkness]

i agree with mandy :)

[Nicole Dupre]

Some may argue a heavily tattooed body isn't all that feminine either.
That's true but I know lots of heavily tattooed GGs, actually with way more work than I have, and not one GG boxer. I'm supportive of Ericka, but I just can't relate to any woman who says she's ok with facial scars. But so what? I can't relate to facial tattoos eithet, and I tell people so if they ask. But she doesn't have to throw a fit about it. Does she think she's getting all kinds of silent approval from all the girls here to be a boxer? Maybe. Don't know, don't care. I don't think it's very impressive personally. If people aren't impressed by me, I can live with that. If she wants to box, let her box. I'm all for her living a happy life. But it's not going to become a big passion of mine or for many other transsexuals I know.

But I don't come here discussing tattoos, the artists I'm paying attention to, or what I've been drawing or painting. So it's not really the most appropriate analogy. Erika admittedly likes confrontation. I, on the other hand, like a good conversation, and I'm honest. I don't come on here starting whole threads against her like the Wickerman or Freddie do. I think she just wants attention, which is fine. But don't expect me to be able to relate to you. She acts like she's a taboo subject.

[Yvonne183]

as the bringer of chaos and mother of the collapse of civilization I would've thought you'd enjoy and appreciate insanity??? - well, I guess they don't make soul stealing succubi like they used to. SMH - at least you're wicked good looking and sexy! and most importantly you aint no lesbo

I appreciate insanity, love every minute of it, I just don't like the early lights out in the dorm.

[buttslinger]

LAUGHIN AT YA!!!
Steady freakin' since '53

[Nicole Dupre]

I like Mandy. And in all honesty, I don't care who she fucks. Maybe I wouldn't watch it. But that's fine. I wouldn't want to watch lot's of people I know when they're fucking. And I don't even care if she thinks I'm a cunt. I am a cunt.

Amy can go fuck herself though. I don't like her one bit. I wouldn't call it hatred though, but she's a definitely an asshole.

[rockabilly]

Meh ... why so serious?

To each his/her own right , whatever floats your boat.

[tsmandy]

I like Mandy. And in all honesty, I don't care who she fucks. Maybe I wouldn't watch it. But that's fine. I wouldn't want to watch lot's of people I know when they're fucking. And I don't even care if she thinks I'm a cunt. I am a cunt.

Amy can go fuck herself though. I don't like her one bit. I wouldn't call it hatred though, but she's a definitely an asshole.

You are a cunt. But I love cunt...remember.

[Nicole Dupre]

You are a cunt. But I love cunt...remember.
And I love that logic like a big cock in my mouth.

[Erika1487]

That photo was taken in 2004 backstage at Connexxions in Boonton NJ. I was a drag queen at that point. I didn't start living f/t until 7 years ago. I have dressed my entire life, started hooking in my mid teens in the West Village of Manhattan, right on the corner of Jane St. I passed and went with it. Actually I passed my whole life, even as a kid. I proved that to myself a long time ago. When I was 5 or 6, I paraded around our living room in makeup and my mom's clothes. It was frowned upon. lol I grew up always liking boys though. I had sex with a man when I was 14. I loved it. I ran away at 15 to Manhattan, and lived all over NY. I was a squatter, I lived in hooker hotels, I slept on the docks of the West Side Highway many nights. But I was never very masculine acting. I stayed around the queers in West Village. That way no one would kill me if hey found out. I got beaten up and bullied constantly as a kid for hanging out with the girls and jumping rope during recess. My best friend was a girl. Her name was Kate. She knew I dressed as a girl. She didn't care. We used to steal her mother's cigarettes and talk about boys and clothes. But like I said, I ran away. I was a transvestite prostitute. I've had bottles thrown at me, and had my life threatened countless times on those streets by passing cars. I eventually went back to school, and was very "gay". I got very skinny and dressed in both male and female clothing whenever the mood suited me. But I was always a priss. I always got nails done. I never liked sports or anything very boyish at all. I would never box or do anything like that. I did buy a few guns in case I needed to protect myself. But fight? lol If I had to, but I would never look for a fight. Anyway, I'm a lifelong faggot turned transsexual and proud of it. I have contempt for hetero CDs and guys like you who got a brain storm after they failed with women that they wanted to be lesbians. I think it's mental illness. Sorry.

And yeah, I'm 45. I did a lot of part timing, but i truly abandoned my male identity for good in my mid 30s.

Nicole you are beautiful trans woman now, but you like everyone else had a starting point, it is hard for me to sit back and not say something about your ranting, when you really where not full time yourself until 7 years ago...

So please pipe down about T-Girl lesbians, or breast implants, it's really not a big deal....seriously.....

I understand and respect that you have had a hard life and came out of it a decent person, but I grew up in a completly diffrent world, and lived as a straight male for 30yrs. I am not opposed to your points of veiw, we are just diffrent you and I.



Look at yourself, Erika. Go look in the mirror at yourself being a boxer. You feel this is a womanly way to be? C'mon. Get real FFS. I know I look good for my age, or so I hear a lot. But I was basically never a hard dude like you. NEVER. And I never dated women. I fucked a pussy in my life once as an experiment and knew I was wasting my time. I wasn't going to like it or seek it out, so why bother? lol

In Edelweiss days, I was having my own little private parties right up the street in Hells Kitchen. ;-) My name was Penny then, or Penelope. You were probably playing football at that point I bet though. lol


I lived as a Man's Man for almost 30 years (football 10yrs 8 thru 18, weightlifting (13-23), truck driving, working as a Republican official) have taken a toll on me. I have the frame of Hoss Cartwright, I am 28inches (used to wear a size 50L Mens Jacket) across at the shoulders and my hands are 5inches across at the knuckle. I am big, not the biggist T-girl out there, but pretty damn big compared to most of you. It makes it difficult to, 'blend in' with the smaller girls, but honestly I don't give a shit, they don't live my life and I don't live thiers. I Box, because it keeps me motivated and happy, I am losing weight and putting on muscle mass, recently I met my goal, of being able to bench press 300lbs! Don't belive me look how big my arms are in my new avatar!
I am strong as an ox, because I choose to be....

The point being I am happy with who I am in my transition..Isn't that all that matters?

[buttslinger]

my2cents:
This IS the place to adore "Hung Angels" ..fair enough. Feel secure up on your pedestals. It's your stage. Strut your stuff. I even enjoy the fighting!
But don't expect a $15,000 tax credit, or guys knocking over teachers and nurses to open the door for you. I'm sure you all are well aware most guys here would deny knowing you in public. Don't let anybody else decide what you're worth. You can't please everyone.

However, as ENTERTAINERS, I say drop the Mr Nice Guy act and get all the cash you can.

[Nicole Dupre]

Nicole you are beautiful trans woman now, but you like everyone else had a starting point, it is hard for me to sit back and not say something about your ranting, when you really where not full time yourself until 7 years ago...

So please pipe down about T-Girl lesbians, or breast implants, it's really not a big deal....seriously.....

I understand and respect that you have had a hard life and came out of it a decent person, but I grew up in a completly diffrent world, and lived as a straight male for 30yrs. I am not opposed to your points of veiw, we are just diffrent you and I.





I lived as a Man's Man for almost 30 years (football 10yrs 8 thru 18, weightlifting (13-23), truck driving, working as a Republican official) have taken a toll on me. I have the frame of Hoss Cartwright, I am 28inches (used to wear a size 50L Mens Jacket) across at the shoulders and my hands are 5inches across at the knuckle. I am big, not the biggist T-girl out there, but pretty damn big compared to most of you. It makes it difficult to, 'blend in' with the smaller girls, but honestly I don't give a shit, they don't live my life and I don't live thiers. I Box, because it keeps me motivated and happy, I am losing weight and putting on muscle mass, recently I met my goal, of being able to bench press 300lbs! Don't belive me look how big my arms are in my new avatar!
I am strong as an ox, because I choose to be....

The point being I am happy with who I am in my transition..Isn't that all that matters?
Ummmm yeah? So? Ok. Be happy. What do you want from me? lol I'm not holding a TS slumber party and inviting every chick with a dick I know over to congratulate them for finding their own way in life. lol

And 7 years ago I went F/T. But that was long after I was passing and living weeks, almost months at a time, as a woman. I didn't have tits and I didn't change my name maybe. But there were no 180s. No football. No boxing. I was doing drag. I was taking shit many times at work for being to feminine. For wearing makeup and nail polish. But they wouldn't dare fire me because I was good at my job. I had to teach them to deal with me. So I'm just telling you, I can't relate to you. Is that so bad? Don't have such a chip on your shoulder with me. You wanna box? Box. I'm not going to watch you at one of your matches. I'm sitting here looking at Vogue with my cat and ironing my clothes in between working from home and killing time online. I like wearing nice things, going out to dinner, taking my niece shopping, and blah blah blah. Tomorrow I'm getting my nails done and a pedi. I wouldn't break a nail to play tennis, let alone to box. I enjoy my life, and I don't give a shit what other transsexuals do. But just don't tell me you're not butch. I know 'butch' when I see it. I was never butch. lol Don't let the tattoos fool you. lol And I don't get that one bit. Why not just stay a man if you want to risk getting your face rearranged?

[rockabilly]

Ok so when does everyone join hands and sing kumbaya?

[buttslinger]

WWF PRIME TIME WRESTLING Christmas 1990 (Part 1) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_6k0kHxZBM)

[doctor screw]

On a purely sexual level,I could care less(hoes will be hoes)

Something deeper than just sex,then that's a different ball game. Most lesbians or(transbians) are lured into that lifestyle from a immature reaction to some man that has(or they think)wronged them in some sort of way.If you're too dumb to know when someone is taking advantage of you at your low point,than you're too dumb for a relationship.


For the transbians that have a real interest in the same(perceived)sex,and it wasn't brought about from immaturity....have fun(they probably got stank breath awayzzz)

[Tara Emory]

I enjoyed doing that scene too. I'm all over the map and for me, even relationship preferences and sexual preference aren't the same thing, even if gender identity is factored in

Tara

Tiffany, we could simply post about the topic if Amy wasn't such a basket case.

I mean, all of this over asking if flat chested trannies and fem boys are the next phase of TS porn? And suddenly people's sexualities qualify them to be judges of breasts? Holy shit.

You know, as a matter of fact, I did a shoot and a bunch of videos with Tara Emory, and I'm not even a lesbian. But sure, it was fun. It was awesome as a matter of fact. lol But I am not a lesbian in my day to day life. But I still enjoyed sucking Tara's dick and having her fuck me in the ass. In fact, I played her sub, and I'm not even submissive AT ALL. lol And I don't think of ANY women that way. But it was porn. And it was fun. What's so bad about that? Are transbians who watch porn going to care? I don't know, but let them reply to this thread and say so. I'd be curious. But wtf was so bad about this thread? Somehow Mandy thought this a "trolling" thread, and obviously that was all Amy needed to hear to come unhinged. If anything, I now have more reason to wonder about what the hell goes through the heads of the transbians who do porn, now more than ever. You people need to chill the fuck out. No one cares who you fuck in your private lives, and obviously your tit sizes are just fine with your fans. Get the fuck over yourselves.

[Nicole Dupre]

I thoroughly enjoyed myself that night. We fucked for hours and it seemed like we had only just started by the time we went home. :)

[Erika1487]

Ummmm yeah? So? Ok. Be happy. What do you want from me? lol I'm not holding a TS slumber party and inviting every chick with a dick I know over to congratulate them for finding their own way in life. lol

And 7 years ago I went F/T. But that was long after I was passing and living weeks, almost months at a time, as a woman. I didn't have tits and I didn't change my name maybe. But there were no 180s. No football. No boxing. I was doing drag. I was taking shit many times at work for being to feminine. For wearing makeup and nail polish. But they wouldn't dare fire me because I was good at my job. I had to teach them to deal with me. So I'm just telling you, I can't relate to you. Is that so bad? Don't have such a chip on your shoulder with me. You wanna box? Box. I'm not going to watch you at one of your matches. I'm sitting here looking at Vogue with my cat and ironing my clothes in between working from home and killing time online. I like wearing nice things, going out to dinner, taking my niece shopping, and blah blah blah. Tomorrow I'm getting my nails done and a pedi. I wouldn't break a nail to play tennis, let alone to box. I enjoy my life, and I don't give a shit what other transsexuals do. But just don't tell me you're not butch. I know 'butch' when I see it. I was never butch. lol Don't let the tattoos fool you. lol And I don't get that one bit. Why not just stay a man if you want to risk getting your face rearranged?

So I am butch dyke? What's the big deal? I perfer GG women, but on occasion have enjoyed men, but it has to be a REAL man, not some gay dude who just wants me to fuck'em in the ass. A Big turn off for me personally, but yeah I consider myself mostly butch dyke, I can be persauded to suck cock once in awhile ;) As far as getting my face smashed, it is not that big of a deal, personally, I have played sports my whole life and have been injured countless times. Hope ya enjoyed your mani pedi...lol

[buttslinger]

GODDAMN!!! If I had know how many TS superstars came on this site I might not have been such an asshole all this time....

[RallyCola]

So I am butch dyke? What's the big deal? I perfer GG women, but on occasion have enjoyed men, but it has to be a REAL man, not some gay dude who just wants me to fuck'em in the ass. A Big turn off for me personally, but yeah I consider myself mostly butch dyke, I can be persauded to suck cock once in awhile ;) As far as getting my face smashed, it is not that big of a deal, personally, I have played sports my whole life and have been injured countless times. Hope ya enjoyed your mani pedi...lol

one has to question why you are transitioning.

1...you like ggirls
2...you lived most of your life as a man
3...you want to be a butch woman

so....why exactly are you on hormones?

oh, i forgot, you legally want to hit women in the face.

[russtafa]

just wish these t@g's would go to their own bars and not turn up at ladyboy bars.i know the gays feel that way 2 they hate seeing them at their bars=fucking fish

[Nicole Dupre]

So I am butch dyke? What's the big deal? I perfer GG women, but on occasion have enjoyed men, but it has to be a REAL man, not some gay dude who just wants me to fuck'em in the ass. A Big turn off for me personally, but yeah I consider myself mostly butch dyke, I can be persauded to suck cock once in awhile ;) As far as getting my face smashed, it is not that big of a deal, personally, I have played sports my whole life and have been injured countless times. Hope ya enjoyed your mani pedi...lol
Well, that's just fine. But I've actually known a few GG bull dykes and they became F2M transsexuals. And that's what I mean. I think it's odd for a man to decide at your age to become a female boxer. Aren't boxers in their primes earlier in life? Or is this somewhat fake and hokey as far as boxing goes, like professional wrestling? And wouldn't simply becoming a male boxer have been a more logical move for you? It wasn't that long ago that you were a guy who was consumed with politics and guns. Now you're a chick who wants to fist fight? Are you still seeing your shrink? You have to admit, it is pretty fucking bizarre.

I still don't completely understand transbians, I admit. But you're well beyond making sense any to me.

[Vic]

Of course watching TS sex where the T-girl is not turned on a turn off! My biggest attraction of watching TS porn is seeing the T-girl with an erection; that is the turn on! Otherwise, hetero sex should be authorized!!!

[Erika1487]

Well, that's just fine. But I've actually known a few GG bull dykes and they became F2M transsexuals. And that's what I mean. I think it's odd for a man to decide at your age to become a female boxer. Aren't boxers in their primes earlier in life? Or is this somewhat fake and hokey as far as boxing goes, like professional wrestling? And wouldn't simply becoming a male boxer have been a more logical move for you? It wasn't that long ago that you were a guy who was consumed with politics and guns. Now you're a chick who wants to fist fight? Are you still seeing your shrink? You have to admit, it is pretty fucking bizarre.

I still don't completely understand transbians, I admit. But you're well beyond making sense any to me.

I am not sure what you are getting at here? I still own guns, and yes I did work for the GOP, so yeah I still am into politics and guns. I took up boxing years ago in high school, I would meet my, HS buddies at the gym to train, and spar, some of them did got licesened and competed, I chose not too beacuse I was foucsed on football. I took it up agian, a a few months ago, to lose weight and build muscle. As fas as competing is concerned, I was registered for two fights and both where cancelled. Right now I am training for the Tr-state Golden gloves March 30th, but still have not heard, from USA Boxing as to the status of my licensure.
I have not seen my therapist in almost a month, due to the fact she thinks lifting weights and boxing are detrimental to my transition. I am happy though and honestly could not give shit less of what she thinks of me.

So yeah there ya go,...... I am Erika Jamie Spangler Butch Transsexual ,chistian conservative, Republican , masochist pain whore, with a love of guns, football and boxing... Now wrap your brain around that! lol

[Nicole Dupre]

I agree with your shrink. What can I say. I'm not going to wrap my brain around something that I think is nuts. Its not like you're Grace Jones with short hair or Marlene Dietrich in a suit. I love those looks. I love the look of punk girls with mohawks and tattoos. I can relate to being a different kind of GIRL. But not a bull dyke. You lost me with that.

[buttslinger]

Nicole, when you insult the clueless, it's like you're taking a shit on everyone I worked with for twenty years! Have some Mercy!
ha ha
Actually I'm diggin' on the waist of the girl in pink and black. Woof!

[maaarc]

Nicole, when you insult the clueless, it's like you're taking a shit on everyone I worked with for twenty years! Have some Mercy!
ha ha
Actually I'm diggin' on the waist of the girl in pink and black. Woof!

some of the women who do MMA are really HOT!!! Miesha Tate for example:

[Nicole Dupre]

I think what Erika wants to do is fine for her. But I hope she realizes, exercise does increase testosterone levels. I mean if it was me, which it never would be, I'd start with losing a lot of weight. But that's me. I don't care about big muscles on my own body.

But again, this isn't my situation. I'm narrow-shouldered, have a long thin neck, have thin arms, and a big pair of tits. I like looking good for hetero men. But Erika might just find a GG who wants a bull dyke GF. Sounds like that would probably make her happy anyway.

I just pointed out that this is a porn and escort forum. She can't blame me for having the idea that this isn't exactly the perfect place to show off dykey butchness. lol But I don't care. Like I said, I know a few F2M TSs. I just had lunch with one who's a friend of mine about 3 weeks ago. I love that dude in the platonic sense. He's a total sweetheart. So yeah, I'm all for variety.

Erika, whatever you do, enjoy your life and treat other people well. I can't judge anyone. I can only relate to my own TS journey ultimately tho'. And there are those I feel a connection with and there are those I don't. But I'm me and you're you, which is as it should be.

[buttslinger]

I searched "dyke fight" on youtube as a goof for this thread, and what came up was so sickening and disturbing I'm going to go take my shower now. It wasn't so much the actual street fighting as much as the people watching and filming and laughing.

[Erika1487]

Erika, whatever you do, enjoy your life and treat other people well. I can't judge anyone. I can only relate to my own TS journey ultimately tho'. And there are those I feel a connection with and there are those I don't. But I'm me and you're you, which is as it should be.

Thank you Nicole, I wish nothing but the best for you too :)

[caliuncut]

I haven't read this whole thread and as usual it seems to have gone off course.

I'll just add my 2 cents to the OP and say YES. In the same vein, I also have difficulty enjoying Kimber or Ana Mancini after reading their horrible reviews....it just kills the fantasy and so I just avoid their porn. Is that stupid...lol

[RallyCola]

i didn't realize that ana mancini had bad reviews. that doesn't ruin my porn fantasy of her.

as for kimber james...she is one boring lay on camera. almost everyone of her scenes are boring so i tend not to watch her videos. her static images are still good j/o material.

[StinkyPete1000]

i didn't realize that ana mancini had bad reviews. that doesn't ruin my porn fantasy of her.

as for kimber james...she is one boring lay on camera. almost everyone of her scenes are boring so i tend not to watch her videos. her static images are still good j/o material.
Ana Mancini is less than exciting in real life to say the least. Wish I would have kept watching her pornos and left it at that.