Baptism of Ire

[Stavros]

Mitt Romney's Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka the Mormons, in spite of claiming it would not do such things, has for the ninth time baptized Anne Frank, using a proxy in the Dominican Republic. The practise of ritual washing is considered by some Christians an essential part of the transition from being a non-Christian into a believer, and if someone dies before they can be baptized there is a belief that it can be done by proxy after their death. Apparently, there is no other way of entering the Kingdom of God.

In this way, the Mormons have baptized, after their deaths, Adolf Hitler, John Lennon, and prominent Jews, such as Albert Einstein, Simon Wiesenthal, and at one time slated Elie Wiesel for the practise, even though Mr Wiesel aint dead yet.

But I wonder if it should not be called, simply, washing -? The terminology of baptism, after all, implies that the person is dirty or unclean, and that they cannot enter the Kingdom of God unless they have washed, or have been washed. And if that sounds offensive, that is because it is. Perhaps Mr Romney should be asked a question: Can a Jew enter the Kingdom of Heaven? He must surely say no, even though that probably won't get him the Jewish vote.

Barack Obama's mother has been 'saved' through this ritual, and as your name is probably on the Mormons International Genealogical Database, so at some point in the next 200 years you could find yourself suddenly whisked from the -unexpected, I assume- circles of hell and damnation, into the sunlit, elysian fields of paradise; where Anne Frank and Adolf Hitler tango the nights away, and where Albert Einstein plays the electric violin as John Lennon, as ever, struggles to write a song worth listening to.

The report is here, followed by an interesting discussion of baptism and the difficulties the Mormons have got themselves into over the years; though this so-called 'Church' doesn't seem to have got its act together.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mormons-posthumously-baptise-anne-frank-7440503.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baptism_for_the_dead&mobileaction=view_normal_site#Jewish_Holocaust_vic tims

[Faldur]

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Rev+Jeremiah+Wright+Speaks+National+Press+-AiJNWDG2S2l.jpg

[BluegrassCat]

http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/

[Stavros]

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Rev+Jeremiah+Wright+Speaks+National+Press+-AiJNWDG2S2l.jpg

I don't know if he is pointing at you, Faldur, but other than that I don't understand your pictorial gesture. Explain please.

[Stavros]

http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/

Hilarious, but then what choice do we have these days? Presumably there is an evangelical Muslim group somewhere who do the same sort of after-life conversions. Maybe there should be a tranny one.

[trish]

Whew! Am I exhausted or what!! I've just spent the last eight hours converting all the dead Mormons I can think of. Poor poor Joseph Smith...all those female wives and in the end it turns out...he's gay :D

[fred41]

The only question I would really have is: Do any of the politicians that belong to various religious groups really believe in any of their religious doctrine or do they belong, like many others do, only because of family affiliations?
I realize that this is a rhetorical question because, to see the true answer, you would have to be able to see inside one's head.

[trish]

I would say Gingrich is not a real believer. True, he doesn't change religions as often as he does wives...but still.

Santorum strikes me a true believer; probably more so than the Pope.

Being a Mormon is a definite detriment to political ambition. So I'm gonna guess Romney is also a true believer.

Ron Paul named his son after an infamous atheist. What's up with that?

Obama's mother was an atheist. I hope Obama is too. But he['s] probably inspired by the turn of the century American social gospelers (The picture above, if I'm right, is Rev. Wright. The notorious leader of Obama's neighborhood church in Chicago.)

Faldur actually believes in the time traveling Jesus who can and does appear in times before He was born. It has something to do with the Trinity and appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament mistaken by modern interpreters as angelic appearances (the distinguishing test is whether people knelt to the appearance or not). Tell us about it Faldur.

[Stavros]

The only question I would really have is: Do any of the politicians that belong to various religious groups really believe in any of their religious doctrine or do they belong, like many others do, only because of family affiliations?
I realize that this is a rhetorical question because, to see the true answer, you would have to be able to see inside one's head.

It is the problem that is associated with any religion -or political ideology- that encompasses a broad spectrum of ideas and practises: can one be a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu, and so on, even if not everything about the religion is believed?

I used to know a Jew who ate bacon, a Muslim who liked a beer after dinner, and neither believed they were anything other than a Jew and a Muslim. It doesn't bother me because I am an eccentric believer, though I won't disclose in what, as it's personal and wouldn't make sense to others.

However, Romney is a public figure running for the highest office in the USA -if he decides to pick and choose which parts of the Mormon creed he believes in, he risks the ire of those for whom Mr Smith handed down a credo not a cafe menu; if he says he believes it all, he has to explain those parts of the credo which strike non-Mormons as daft, or offensive. He has no hiding place.

There can be no comparison with Rev J Wright, who has an almost literalist attachment to the scriptures -depart from their design for living, and you are damned. Though shalt not Kill means what it says. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God, making peace not war the cardinal value. Not quite the same thing as washing someone clean after their death because they are too dirty to enter the Kingdom of God. With neither Ire nor Irony, would Jesus have insisted sinners wash their feet before entering in?

[onmyknees]

Mitt Romney's Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka the Mormons, in spite of claiming it would not do such things, has for the ninth time baptized Anne Frank, using a proxy in the Dominican Republic. The practise of ritual washing is considered by some Christians an essential part of the transition from being a non-Christian into a believer, and if someone dies before they can be baptized there is a belief that it can be done by proxy after their death. Apparently, there is no other way of entering the Kingdom of God.

In this way, the Mormons have baptized, after their deaths, Adolf Hitler, John Lennon, and prominent Jews, such as Albert Einstein, Simon Wiesenthal, and at one time slated Elie Wiesel for the practise, even though Mr Wiesel aint dead yet.

But I wonder if it should not be called, simply, washing -? The terminology of baptism, after all, implies that the person is dirty or unclean, and that they cannot enter the Kingdom of God unless they have washed, or have been washed. And if that sounds offensive, that is because it is. Perhaps Mr Romney should be asked a question: Can a Jew enter the Kingdom of Heaven? He must surely say no, even though that probably won't get him the Jewish vote.

Barack Obama's mother has been 'saved' through this ritual, and as your name is probably on the Mormons International Genealogical Database, so at some point in the next 200 years you could find yourself suddenly whisked from the -unexpected, I assume- circles of hell and damnation, into the sunlit, elysian fields of paradise; where Anne Frank and Adolf Hitler tango the nights away, and where Albert Einstein plays the electric violin as John Lennon, as ever, struggles to write a song worth listening to.

The report is here, followed by an interesting discussion of baptism and the difficulties the Mormons have got themselves into over the years; though this so-called 'Church' doesn't seem to have got its act together.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/mormons-posthumously-baptise-anne-frank-7440503.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baptism_for_the_dead&mobileaction=view_normal_site#Jewish_Holocaust_vic tims


72 virgins await you

[Stavros]

The thread is about the Mormons, not Muslims, but I am not surprised that in your desperation to defend the indefensible, you divert attention away from the subject to focus on a concept of paradise that is not much different from others. You don't have anything to say about what it is that your Mitt Romney believes or does not believe, which I shall take as intellectual cowardice on your part. Or you could try again, this time with feeling.

[russtafa]

muslims can always be attacked that's what they are there for

[Stavros]

Just think of it, Russtafa, a hundred years after your death you will be stuck in the first circle of hell, complaining as usual. Then, having been 'saved' by the Mormons, you will be spirited away to Paradise, where you can share a falafel with Muhammad, regale Saladin with your memories of cracking heads at weekends in Sydney, and curse English cricket with Imran Khan, Wasif Iqbal and a legion of Pakistani legends. Admit it, you can't wait.