Big Money Wins in Florida GOP Primary...

[Ben]

But just remember: big money doesn't buy elections. Anyone can be president -- ha ha ha!

Papantonio: Big Money Wins in Florida GOP Primary - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMMfF3CUc-M)

[onmyknees]

But just remember: big money doesn't buy elections. Anyone can be president -- ha ha ha!

Papantonio: Big Money Wins in Florida GOP Primary - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMMfF3CUc-M)

wait a minute there buddy....are you trying to say there's a correlation between funds and outcome? So the team that spends the most always wins? I find that hard to believe....and actually rather groundbreaking...but then how are you to explain the Iowa Caucus won by Santorum on a shoe string?

What will Ben say when Obama and the boys break the seal on the one billion dollar slush fund come the fall election?

[Odelay]

Iowa's a unique situation. It's the 1st contest so Santorum was able to go whole hog retail politics, visiting all 99 counties within several months before the voting. Also, it's a caucus, so organizing is most important, money is second most important.

As for Obama, he'll have lots of money. And the average donation will be 5-10 times less than Romney's average donation. A candidate of the people. And yeah, you can save all the, "but-but-but he also accepts money from Wall Street!" Yes, he does. He plays the game to win. As much as Russ Feingold is my favorite modern politician, he no longer holds public office because of his purity.

[Ben]

Iowa's a unique situation. It's the 1st contest so Santorum was able to go whole hog retail politics, visiting all 99 counties within several months before the voting. Also, it's a caucus, so organizing is most important, money is second most important.

As for Obama, he'll have lots of money. And the average donation will be 5-10 times less than Romney's average donation. A candidate of the people. And yeah, you can save all the, "but-but-but he also accepts money from Wall Street!" Yes, he does. He plays the game to win. As much as Russ Feingold is my favorite modern politician, he no longer holds public office because of his purity.

Russ Feingold isn't the typical politician. I mean, he's principled and cares about issues.
Most politicians are, just by the nature of the system, corporate robots.
Politics is a very sleazy game, very sleazy.
And what's Feingold doing post-political life? Lobbying? Nooo.... He's teaching. That's weird -- ha ha! He should cash in by being a corporate lobbyist -- ha ha ha!

Feingold on the Patriot Act - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHVOMSqCFHE)

Feingold on gay marriage - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJr0UO_Z6wI)

[onmyknees]

Iowa's a unique situation. It's the 1st contest so Santorum was able to go whole hog retail politics, visiting all 99 counties within several months before the voting. Also, it's a caucus, so organizing is most important, money is second most important.

As for Obama, he'll have lots of money. And the average donation will be 5-10 times less than Romney's average donation. A candidate of the people. And yeah, you can save all the, "but-but-but he also accepts money from Wall Street!" Yes, he does. He plays the game to win. As much as Russ Feingold is my favorite modern politician, he no longer holds public office because of his purity.



A candidate of the people?>> You're kidding me right? You're not serious....Memo to the ever increasing delusional Odelay....Obama will get nearly twice the Wall Street money that Bush got, or that Romeny will get. How do you ass kissers reconclie that with your ties to OWS ?? A bit conflicted, but excuse it away...You think he's going to raise a billion dollars on Facebook donations from college kids ?? That's hysterical man. Just last night he did a 35k per plate fundraiser. That's a man of the Wall Street People. What planet are you living on?? MSNBC?

[trish]

Obama will get nearly twice the Wall Street money that Bush got, or that Romeny will get.

Can't think of a better way to spend Wall Street money.
Vote Obama!

By the way, who is this Romeny guy of whom you speak?? Must be some sort of communist if he can't get more Wall Street money than Obama. lol

[JerseyMike]

VOTE FOR REAL CHANGE IN 2012!!!! RON PAUL!!!! The man everyone in Washington and Wall Street that everyone fears!!!!

[Odelay]

A candidate of the people?>> You're kidding me right? You're not serious....Memo to the ever increasing delusional Odelay....Obama will get nearly twice the Wall Street money that Bush got, or that Romeny will get. How do you ass kissers reconclie that with your ties to OWS ?? A bit conflicted, but excuse it away...You think he's going to raise a billion dollars on Facebook donations from college kids ?? That's hysterical man. Just last night he did a 35k per plate fundraiser. That's a man of the Wall Street People. What planet are you living on?? MSNBC?
Jesus OMK, you're such a tool. I threw the "man of the people" quote in there just to see if you'd walk into the trap and you did. And you're wrong to boot about some of the other stuff. Obama will indeed raise a bunch of money on facebook while Romney will get his funds in the form of $2,000+ checks. That's my point. Average donation will make Romney look like the real plutocrat in this race. Not that this disclaimer will matter, but I don't watch television news or much television at all -- but I also don't have a problem with you painting me with the MSNBC brush. It's a lazy shortcut criticism you use, and I come to expect that from many conservatives I encounter. The ones who don't take shortcuts in trying to understand my views and general left-of-center views are often friends of mine.

[Faldur]

Oh the hypocrisy, republicans raise money and its all "big oil greed" money. obummer raises money and its "from the good people". This guy is going to make jimmy carters loss against Reagan look like a close race. November is going to be a good month.

CBO just released its 2011 financials. Good news for barry, 2011 was only the 4th largest deficit since the great depression. Which were the other 3 you ask? Why his three previous years of coarse. This guy couldn't win with a trillion dollars. You can put lipstick on a pig, but as even Sarah knows... its still a pig.

[Ben]

wait a minute there buddy....are you trying to say there's a correlation between funds and outcome? So the team that spends the most always wins? I find that hard to believe....and actually rather groundbreaking...but then how are you to explain the Iowa Caucus won by Santorum on a shoe string?

What will Ben say when Obama and the boys break the seal on the one billion dollar slush fund come the fall election?


Same applies to Obama. Obama is a corporate stooge. As is Newt Gingrich. So are an inordinate number of politicians.
Hmm... can we say that about Ron Paul? Well, Paul has a fairly small chance of winning the nomination. As he has repeatedly said, I will NOT bail the banks out. Because that goes against capitalist orthodoxies. So, why would banks fund Paul's campaign? Well, they'd be completely irrational if they did.
So, he has a small chance of winning. You can't actually espouse capitalism to the banksters because they won't back you with their big bucks. They, too, don't believe in capitalism.
We've a corrupt political and economic system. How do we change it? Well, meditation, zen meditation -- ha ha ha! Kidding. I've no idea. But part of the problem, as I previously pointed out, is the concentration of power. If you don't address that, well, things will continue to get worse.
Obama raised more cash than McCain in '08. Hence Obama's victory. I mean, victory all hinges on how much money you raise.
You have to cater to and serve the interests of a tiny sliver of the populace. And that's called: democracy. When you serve the financial sector and the likes of Paul Singer and Sheldon Adelson, well, that's called democracy. Or as Michael Parenti called it: Democracy for the Few -- :)
And, well, is it bribery? When Obama and Mitt take money from Wall Street, well, is that a bribe? Is the political system simply a game of bribery???
And when financial institutions got bigger and bigger, well, their interests were -- and are -- "peculiarly" attended to. And this took off in the 80s. But accelerated under Clinton and Bush Jr. and has gotten worse.
Obama got his big cash from the financial sector. So, he serves their interests.
Bush and company came outta the oil sector. So, they served their interests. And we must remember the American people are completely irrelevant in this equation. Except when it comes to election time. And, of course, they need our votes.
The definition of bribery: "The expectation of a particular voluntary action in return is what makes the difference between a bribe and a private demonstration of goodwill. To offer or provide payment in order to persuade someone with a responsibility to betray that responsibility is known as seeking Undue Influence (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Undue+Influence) over that person's actions. When someone with power seeks payment in exchange for certain actions, that person is said to be peddling influence. Regardless of who initiates the deal, either party to an act of bribery can be found guilty of the crime independently of the other.
A bribe can consist of immediate cash or of personal favors, a promise of later payment, or anything else the recipient views as valuable."


McCain Couldn't Compete With Obama's Money

America affirms Chicago's Golden Rule:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122835139848377873.html

[BluegrassCat]

This guy is going to make jimmy carters loss against Reagan look like a close race. November is going to be a good month.


Wrong historical precedent. Remember the last time a young charismatic Democratic president faced re-election against an extremist GOP opposition? Romney and Dole are going to have a lot to commiserate about.

Keynesiasm has succeeded at home and austerity has failed abroad. The U.S. just had the best job growth since 2008. November will definitely be a good month. :dancing::dancing::dancing:

[fred41]

Bob Dole's actual record in the Senate was pretty moderate...He's no extremist, but he ran a bad (and somewhat boring) campaign against Bill Clinton. I respect his service to the country, but he was a terrible choice to run against Clinton and had almost no hope of winning.

[BluegrassCat]

Bob Dole's actual record in the Senate was pretty moderate...He's no extremist, but he ran a bad (and somewhat boring) campaign against Bill Clinton. I respect his service to the country, but he was a terrible choice to run against Clinton and had almost no hope of winning.

Totally true. Romney is quite the moderate as well. I was referring to extremist congressional GOP. Dole has said that he felt Clinton was able to run against Gingrich which helped his re-election. Obama will be doing the same thing, and, if the economy maintains its present course, he'll win.

[fred41]

Totally true. Romney is quite the moderate as well. I was referring to extremist congressional GOP. Dole has said that he felt Clinton was able to run against Gingrich which helped his re-election. Obama will be doing the same thing, and, if the economy maintains its present course, he'll win.

Right now they are fairly close in the polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

...but I agree...if the economy becomes more robust by November...Obama will win.

[onmyknees]

Wrong historical precedent. Remember the last time a young charismatic Democratic president faced re-election against an extremist GOP opposition? Romney and Dole are going to have a lot to commiserate about.

Keynesiasm has succeeded at home and austerity has failed abroad. The U.S. just had the best job growth since 2008. November will definitely be a good month. :dancing::dancing::dancing:



Well first off...I'll be looking for you in the coming months when the jobless numbers slant upwards, and they are sure to do as more people re-enter the work force. Will you come out from underneath your pond rock shouting about Keynes then? Or are you just a front runner ? A few modest months of less than impressive job growth does not a recovery make.

Paul Harvey used to say...."here's the rest of the story"...Let's try to keep this simple. I'm happy for those who were seeking employment and found it last month...good for them, good for the country. And I have to guard against similar behavior you progressives exhibited during the Iraq war when you were cheering bad news month after month... having said that, your numbers don't fully tell the story despite your rush to be giddy. According to US Labor Dept statistics, there are 2 million less adult workers in the economy today than there were at the beginning of this economic mess in 4th q 2007. Google that. So....where did these 2 million people go? Did they die? Did they self deport back to Mexico....?? Or did they drop out of the labor force and therefore remain uncounted in your numbers? The "pie" of those looking for work has shrunk significantly, that's why the jobless rate is descending...they're not being counted. But even if we take your data in it's entirety as gospel...specifically what Obama policies resulted in this dip in unemployment ? And I'd like proof...cheerleading is not proof... Was it extending the Bush tax cuts? Hardly a Keynesian cornerstone. Was it Obama Care? There's evidence that has raised the costs of healthcare, but not been a driving force in the employment numbers. Was it the stimulus? Hard to prove that since the last money was spent well over a year ago. Was it Obama hashing out difficult bi partasian cost cutting measures with Congress? That can't be...he hasn't met with Boehner in 5 months.
And of these job numbers....how much credit for job preservation and creation should go to Republican Governors who are balancing budgets, cutting spending and luring in companies with tax and technology incentives? Or do you just dismiss that ...because it's Obama, and he's divine?

And one more thing....you throw this word "extreme" around as freely as you do racist. So just who is extreme? Names please. And are there any extremists on the left...or are they all pragmatic and sensible?
Is Bernie Sanders extreme? How about Downer Debbie? How about Barney Frank...? Were the people who heaped such vile on Bush extreme....or is it just those that do that to Obama? Is a Tea Party Congressman from Utah or Oklahoma who wins election in his district by a wide margin on a platform to stop the Obama agenda....is he extreme? Are his constituents extreme? Are you extreme?
And remember this as you bash Bob Dole....He was a war hero in the truest sense of the word. His injuries left him disabled for life. He is a remarkable American. When his country called him to service he paid dearly. Bill Clinton was a draft dodger who sat out his generations war at Oxford. Sometimes facts are hard to swallow..Shame on you for disparging an American Hero. You're a disgusting swine for doing so.

[BluegrassCat]

OMK, what started off as a somewhat interesting question about assigning causes for the movement of the economy quickly devolved into your true colors. Your contempt for the truth is truly shocking. You have no respect for the highest office of my country. You're a piece of shit, human garbage. Your extreme hate and racism have no place in a democracy. You'd be more comfortable over at Stormfront. We'll forward your mail.

[Ben]

OMK, what started off as a somewhat interesting question about assigning causes for the movement of the economy quickly devolved into your true colors. Your contempt for the truth is truly shocking. You have no respect for the highest office of my country. You're a piece of shit, human garbage. Your extreme hate and racism have no place in a democracy. You'd be more comfortable over at Stormfront. We'll forward your mail.

This site is becoming more extreme -- ha ha ha! I don't think it's appropriate to refer to someone as: human garbage.
I mean, we can -- and should -- disagree. But we should keep it civil and intelligent.
Now I'll get lambasted for pointing these things out -- ha ha ha!

[Ben]

Forget about the discussion about the privatization of prisons.... Ya know, who's hotter: Alyona or Ana???? :) :)
Politics is too, well, heavy at the moment -- :) Thought I'd focus on something a bit lighter like good looks -- :)

Prison Privatization: Florida's Game Changer - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTHlxunoRpg)

[Silcc69]

OMK, what started off as a somewhat interesting question about assigning causes for the movement of the economy quickly devolved into your true colors. Your contempt for the truth is truly shocking. You have no respect for the highest office of my country. You're a piece of shit, human garbage. Your extreme hate and racism have no place in a democracy. You'd be more comfortable over at Stormfront. We'll forward your mail.

I don't think they would allow a tranny chaser over there. :dancing:

[Faldur]

You're a piece of shit, human garbage. Your extreme hate and racism have no place in a democracy.

Where is the hate coming from? Look in the mirror bud..

And can you state one example of where OMK's posts have been racist? Oh, and you forgot to blame Bush.

[trish]

Hmmm posted Sunday morning. Were you posting to a porn site from the Church pew?

[Faldur]

Hmmm posted Sunday morning. Were you posting to a porn site from the Church pew?

Why the sudden concern for my whereabouts?

[hippifried]

She's worried about your soul.

[Ben]

Democracy -- for the few -- up for sale -- ha ha! :)

Corporations Flood Romney Super PAC With Cash - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt52b5X2T1U)

[Ben]

G.O.P. Donors Showing Thirst to Oust Obama in November:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/us/politics/campaign-finance-reports-show-super-pac-donors.html?_r=1