Whoopsie! Car Bomb. lol

[Dino Velvet]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/01/11/report-bomb-kills-iran-university-professor/

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[Prospero]

Fess up time from Dino. He works for the CIA!

[Dino Velvet]

Fess up time from Dino. He works for the CIA!

Unless it's this character.

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[Dino Velvet]

Or maybe this character. Maybe I'm the Truther here. Boogeyman.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/mahmoud-ahmadinejad.jpg

[giovanni_hotel]

This what pisses me off about pundits and talking heads who try to paint BHO as an apologist or an appeaser to the enemies of this country, or that he isn't a reliable ally to Israel.

What Obama is we in the civilian world call an 'expedience expert'.

If you want to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapons arsenal, you don't start another full scale regional war(!!) in the Middle East.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

You eliminate the key figures literally most responsible for developing Iran's nuclear program; the nuclear scientists, engineers and physicists.

That's fucking cold blooded and beyond efficient.
It's some assassin type bullshit, and BHO has become clinically fiendish in managing Black Ops from the Oval Office.

How soon do you think it is before Iranian nuclear scientists begin to defect from that country's nuclear program??

Scientists aren't heroes or ideologues, most enjoy the promise of waking up the next day to see the sun rise in the morning.

Gangsta government??? Hell yeah it is.
Get off his dick.
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[Stavros]

How soon do you think it is before Iranian nuclear scientists begin to defect from that country's nuclear program??

It has already happened, Shahram Amri defected last year
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8596542.stm

The hypocrisy on this issue is not astonishing but typical of the duplicity with which Iran is treated. Iran has a right to defend itself from attack like any other state, Israel was the first country in the Middle East to develop nuclear energy with a weapons facility, so it was only a matter of time before the other states decided to go down that pat -Iran has done so, Iraq wanted to at one time, and Saudi Arabia and Turkey have already begun the process.

The real issue is why none of the major powers who are part of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty have not pressed for a nuclear free Middle East; generating electricity from nuclear sources might seem to make sense given that oil and gas are finite resources, but the region is facing a severe water shortage and that should be the issue exercising minds, not killing people in Iran -and it is only a matter of time before Iran retaliates in some way. But if this is what Israel wants, then I guess we all have to live with it. Nobody it seems can challenge or control them, they treat the US with contempt as it is, but still take the $$$ from your wallets.

[giovanni_hotel]

Yes, but Iran does not have the right to vow repeatedly in public declarations they will erase Israel from the map of the Middle East.

WHen you repeatedly threaten someone who's paranoid, don't be surprised if they stab you in the gut with a blade one day.

[NYBURBS]

This what pisses me off about pundits and talking heads who try to paint BHO as an apologist or an appeaser to the enemies of this country, or that he isn't a reliable ally to Israel.

What Obama is we in the civilian world call an 'expedience expert'.

If you want to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapons arsenal, you don't start another full scale regional war(!!) in the Middle East.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

You eliminate the key figures literally most responsible for developing Iran's nuclear program; the nuclear scientists, engineers and physicists.

That's fucking cold blooded and beyond efficient.
It's some assassin type bullshit, and BHO has become clinically fiendish in managing Black Ops from the Oval Office.

How soon do you think it is before Iranian nuclear scientists begin to defect from that country's nuclear program??

Scientists aren't heroes or ideologues, most enjoy the promise of waking up the next day to see the sun rise in the morning.

Gangsta government??? Hell yeah it is.
Get off his dick.


It never ceases to amaze me how people just get in line because they think it's the popular position, or in this case because they want to hold up the their guy as effective and a true supporter of the Zionist cause. Our treatment of other nations is coming back at us like a boomerang, and all you cheering folk are going to get smacked in the teeth by it when it arrives. Imagine that was NYC and it was Iranian agents that had slapped a bomb on the car of a American scientist.

What will be remembered in 50 years from now is that the first black man elected to the office was a bigger disaster for the rule of law then all the white men before him put together (and that's saying a lot).

[giovanni_hotel]

THe only way that happens is if BHO institutes slavery for White folk for the next 400 years.

If you think Iran's nuclear program is a threat, you need a foreign policy agenda to deal with it.
You can't ignore it and hope the problem goes away.
The biggest threat IMO posed by a nuclear Iran is how Israel will respond, not an imminent attack by the mullahs.

What will be remembered in 50 years from now is that the first black man elected to the office was a bigger disaster for the rule of law then all the white men before him put together (and that's saying a lot).

Re-read what you wrote and when you've discovered reality again, try to make sense.
Your statement to put it politely is not a well thought out sentiment and reflects ZERO knowledge of American history.

[Stavros]

Yes, but Iran does not have the right to vow repeatedly in public declarations they will erase Israel from the map of the Middle East.

WHen you repeatedly threaten someone who's paranoid, don't be surprised if they stab you in the gut with a blade one day.

Iran, or more specifically Mahmoud Ahmadinejad can say what he likes, it is recognised for the most part as rhetoric. In the first place he is playing with words for a national and regional audience that expects its leaders to take a hard line with Israel, even though Iran has one of the largest Jewish communities in the region outside Israel itself, and uses informal back-channels to convey information this way and that.

In the second place, because his words have been translated deliberately in a way to make it seem he wants to wipe Israel off the map, it is not often realised that what he is referring to is the de-coupling of political Israel from the geography of occupation -he has no problem with Jews living in what was historically either the Vilayet of Jerusalem in Ottoman times, or the Palestine Mandate imposed by the League of Nations and administered by Britain from 1921-1948. What he doesn't want is a Jewish state based on religious exclusivism and violent occupation, which is a bit rich coming from someone who wants, in an Islamic sense, more or less the same for his own country!

Thirdly, the Iranian elite is now badly split between the Clerics around Khamane'i and the politically ambitious gang around Ahmadinejad -both are out of touch with the masses, yet both have their military wings and from what informed voices say, Ahmadinejad is lucky to still be there in office given the way he has behaved in the last two years.

What is at stake is nothing less than the legacy of the Ayatollah Khomeini and the Islamic Revolution, which is why the clergy have been deeply upset by the Arab Spring and are determined to keep the lid on protest inside Iran -for this reason the confrontation over the nuclear issue is a gift to the hardliners given the long historical obsession Iranians have had that outsiders are always trying to destroy them.

The US used to have some perceptive observers of Iran, but in general terms the tame pro-Zionist affiliations of Dennis Ross and Obama's understandable wariness of getting too deeply involved in regional politics, means that the US apppears to be completely out of touch with what is happening.

The US had an opportunity to open a dialogue with Iran and reach an accommodation with Khatami about 10 years ago, but Bush, Cheney and particularly John Bolton who was offered meetings at the UN after 9/11 -which Iran condemned in absolute terms- wanted Iran to crawl and beg and apologise and weep -so it never happened, and this is where we are, sometimes known as a dialogue of the deaf, although that is an insult to deaf people.

So, instead of a slow thaw and a popular liberal regime, you have an idiot called Ahmadinejad obsessed with nuclear weapons, and Qassem Suleimani, who has yet to make his move, but whose trajectory is in the ascendant. Ultimately, what happens inside Iran is more important than what cyberpunks and assassination squads do.
You can read about Suleimani here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8933482/The-Quds-force-man-who-inspired-the-British-embassy-outrage-in-Tehran.html

[Silcc69]

This

Media FAIL Again: Ahmadinejad & 9/11 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABveHYugEkk)

[trish]

Isreal’s modus operandi has always been tit-for-tat and often outside the confines of acceptable diplomacy or international law. Such a strategy is only effective if it followed religiously. You cross or threaten Israel, or embark on a project perceived by Israel to be a threat, then you absolutely know there will be retaliation. The cost of the payback has to be figured into the cost-benefit analysis of every action that may be perceived as an existential threat to Israel. Adding to the perceived cost of threatening actions and projects is thought to diminish the number such actions and projects. Though the name may be misleading, tit-for-tat strategies are meant to be preemptive. But are they? In the short run, I believe they are; i.e. Isreal has certainly slowed the pace of Iran’s nuclear weapons development. But it’s possible that Israel has also made not only Iran leaders but the Iranian people more determined to have such weapons. So in the long run, tit-for-tat may not be an effective deterrent.

Personally, I’m pretty pissed-off that Israel would take to assassinating scientists and engineers on the streets without so much as a mock trail. And though I realize the issue is complex, I’m also pretty pissed at scientists and engineers who take the hard won knowledge of a largely peaceful community of scholars and apply to the design and construction of weapons of indiscriminate annihilation, Oppenheimer and friends included.

As far as press-corrections go, you can open up the web page of any respectable newspaper, type “corrections” into the search field and get a list of all the corrections published in the past few months. It’s easy. Just do it. Unless it’s a whooper, no correction is ever going to be headline news. BTW this doesn’t seem to work on the FOX NEWS site. Come to think of it, I don’t recall FOX ever making a correction on air. PBS and NPR air corrections regularly.

[giovanni_hotel]

Stavros, your opinion is a thoughtful one regarding Iran, its political structure and its regional intentions, but IMO you're soft pedaling their current state of affairs.

The Iranian people neither expect or demand a hardline stance from Ahmadinejad, who if nothing else is a mouthpiece for the ruling clerics.

This isn't an issue caused by a poor farsi interpretation for an international audience instigating a nuclear fueled comedy of errors.

Ahmadinejad is an entrenched Holocaust denier and outwardly professes the atrocities of WWII are a mass propaganda campaign waged by the U.S. and Israel to generate sympathy for Israel.

And there's no clever or shrewd way to intellectualize Ahmadinejad's opposition to the very existence of Israel. The missiles lobbed on an almost daily basis from the Gaza Strip into the West Bank are supplied exclusively by Iran. This isn't a minor provocation; it's an act of war.
The U.S. would not tolerate it. Great Britain would not tolerate it. Iran would not tolerate it.

I don't believe Ahmadinejad to be unintelligent, but he and and masters are playing very reckless with the future of Iran.
Iran is a religious dictatorship with nearly 70% of their population under the age of 30.
That's the recipe for a revolution in any society, even greater in one as repressed and economically and politically stunted as Iran.

Everyone in the ME for the last 50 years has made Israel out to be the boogieman of the region.
The U.S. had to bribe Egypt with billions in annual foreign 'aid' for them to sign a peace treaty with Israel and their nuclear weapons cache and alliance with the U.S. is the only thing IMO that's prevented them from being overrun.

I'm not an apologist for Israeli foreign policy and have several criticisms of how they've mishandled the Palestinian question over the decades, but to achieve peace one needs a like minded partner.

It's hard to negotiate where the property line begins and ends between two homeowners when one family deeply believes you've been criminally living in their other house.

Iran isn't some harmless actor in the region. They are the muscle behind the Syrian regime, they are the silent partner in the Hezbollah party in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territory, they are acquiring greater influence in the Iraqi government and they support the Muslim Brotherhood's ascendance in the nascent Egyptian parliament.

Iran with a nuclear arsenal could be no more threatening than Pakistan(still scary) and India, or they could be the equivalent of Russia run by an End Times Jerry Falwell.

IMO it's better for all involved if we don't wait and see if it's possible to contain a nuclear armed Iran from testing the strategy of limited nuclear war in the ME.

What motivates the Iranian regime IMO is not the same for Western powers.
I don't think the mullahs ultimately are overly concerned about political survival.

[Dino Velvet]

WHen you repeatedly threaten someone who's paranoid, don't be surprised if they stab you in the gut with a blade one day.

Those are wise words that apply anywhere and to both sides here. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm still a Christian if you back me up against a wall.

[trish]

Those are wise words that apply anywhere and to both sides here. I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm still a Christian if you back me up against a wall.If I back you up against a wall, pucker my succulent lips and blow smoke in your face while grinding my sword against yours, will you do the Christian thing and slay my ass?

[giovanni_hotel]

If I back you up against a wall, pucker my succulent lips and blow smoke in your face while grinding my sword against yours, will you do the Christian thing and slay my ass?

I just came.:)

[trish]

Wish I coulda been there <3

[Dino Velvet]

If I back you up against a wall, pucker my succulent lips and blow smoke in your face while grinding my sword against yours, will you do the Christian thing and slay my ass?

After all the time and agony I have put toward this moment...

... I accept!

I follow now...:fuckin:

BLIND FAITH - Presence of The Lord - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06KaicyFJo8)

[Dino Velvet]

Last thing. If I could get some of that brown sugar and dip my wick in her warm molasses I would hurl Jesus from my truck at 80MPH. Divine Hamburger.

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[Stavros]

Stavros, your opinion is a thoughtful one regarding Iran, its political structure and its regional intentions, but IMO you're soft pedaling their current state of affairs.

The Iranian people neither expect or demand a hardline stance from Ahmadinejad, who if nothing else is a mouthpiece for the ruling clerics.

This isn't an issue caused by a poor farsi interpretation for an international audience instigating a nuclear fueled comedy of errors.

Ahmadinejad is an entrenched Holocaust denier and outwardly professes the atrocities of WWII are a mass propaganda campaign waged by the U.S. and Israel to generate sympathy for Israel.

And there's no clever or shrewd way to intellectualize Ahmadinejad's opposition to the very existence of Israel. The missiles lobbed on an almost daily basis from the Gaza Strip into the West Bank are supplied exclusively by Iran. This isn't a minor provocation; it's an act of war.
The U.S. would not tolerate it. Great Britain would not tolerate it. Iran would not tolerate it.

I don't believe Ahmadinejad to be unintelligent, but he and and masters are playing very reckless with the future of Iran.
Iran is a religious dictatorship with nearly 70% of their population under the age of 30.
That's the recipe for a revolution in any society, even greater in one as repressed and economically and politically stunted as Iran.

Everyone in the ME for the last 50 years has made Israel out to be the boogieman of the region.
The U.S. had to bribe Egypt with billions in annual foreign 'aid' for them to sign a peace treaty with Israel and their nuclear weapons cache and alliance with the U.S. is the only thing IMO that's prevented them from being overrun.

I'm not an apologist for Israeli foreign policy and have several criticisms of how they've mishandled the Palestinian question over the decades, but to achieve peace one needs a like minded partner.

It's hard to negotiate where the property line begins and ends between two homeowners when one family deeply believes you've been criminally living in their other house.

Iran isn't some harmless actor in the region. They are the muscle behind the Syrian regime, they are the silent partner in the Hezbollah party in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territory, they are acquiring greater influence in the Iraqi government and they support the Muslim Brotherhood's ascendance in the nascent Egyptian parliament.

Iran with a nuclear arsenal could be no more threatening than Pakistan(still scary) and India, or they could be the equivalent of Russia run by an End Times Jerry Falwell.

IMO it's better for all involved if we don't wait and see if it's possible to contain a nuclear armed Iran from testing the strategy of limited nuclear war in the ME.

What motivates the Iranian regime IMO is not the same for Western powers.
I don't think the mullahs ultimately are overly concerned about political survival.

Yes, indeed: soft pedalling is another way of saying that in the long run, diplomacy achieves more than violence -the very diplomacy that the US turned its back on when George Bush was President and there was a real chance of a rapprochement with Iran; the very same diplomacy that saw two US Presidents (Carter and Clinton) produce two peace treaties between Israel and the Arabs; the very same diplomacy that will be part of the resolution of the conflict with Iran, Israel, the Taliban and all other parties to conflict in the Middle East and South Asia.

The Mullahs are most definitely concerned about political survival, this is your weakest argument. The legacy of Khomeini is more than an ideological commitment to Shi'a Islamic doctrine, when the last Shah took away land from the clergy in the 1960s he took away or tried to take away their independent source of income. Just as the army in Pakistan, Egypt and Syria owns the national economy in those states, the Mullah's have spent the last 30 years entangling their interests with the national economy, one of the reasons why Iran has performed so poorly. It is in their interests to maintain their control of politics, and one reason why they crushed dissent a couple of years ago -but cannot do so indefinitely.

Ahmadinejad is an embarassment, I know, I am not defending him, unfortunately in the Middle East there is a lot of this nauseating, fatuous drivel, Avigdor Lieberman can be just as offensive as Ahmadinejad.

Historically, you will find that every time there was an agreement sponsored by the USA between Israel and the Arabs, agreement on talks about talks about talks, as well as the odd peace treaty, it was Israel that demanded money -on average the Israelis got at least four times as much as the Egyptians if not more, delivering virtually nothing in return except a hollow promise not to continue provoking and retaliating its violent relationship with the Palestinians.

I did point out that Iran interferes in the region, but it is primarily money that drives it, Iranians by and large are loathed by the Arabs, Iran knows this but plays the 'Shi'a' Card to divide its enemies: it suits Iran for Iraq to be on the verge of disintegrating as a united state, for example.

They are a regional pest, yes, but the key point is that Iran is being driven by internal friction and the kind of pre-emptive actions you think are necessary merely serve to maintain this lack of balance in internal politics. Instead of increasing tension, we should be trying to reduce it.

The concept of a limited nuclear war is just that -a concept. Iran is years away from obtaining real military ability in this area, and as not one state since 1945 has used nuclear weapons, the assumption is that neither would Iran -Jerusalem is the third holiest city in Islam, Israel is not that big, and tactical nuclear bombs which, allegedly strike a limited target with limited effect could still damage that city -the threat might make sense, as a military objective it does not.

Its a soundbite these days, and intended to frighten you. It seems to be working.

The missiles fired by HAMAS are part of a game they play with Israel, its been going on for years -Israel killed two alleged HAMAS commanders in the last month knowing that this would produce a retaliation; there have been plenty of cease-fires over the years, and HAMAS has always said it will negotiate with Israel, it is the Israelis who are terrified of real peace negotiations, because this would involve concessions and that is something Israel has rarely been willing to do -Israel's withdrawal from Sinai under the Camp David agreement was painful, and settlers had to be forcibly removed by the army, but Sinai was never part of the plan anyway.

Israel is not a willing partner in peace; just as Iran is divided, so Israel has its own divisions, between the relaxed, westernised beach-loving Israelis of the coast, and the radical settlers and Orthodox groups in the Occupied Territories. Recently the Orthodox have been creating a nightmare for Israel in the OT by insisting on the segregation of men and women on buses and in public spaces -their attitudes to women are not that different from some radical Muslims- and more worryingly, settlers from the OT have been moving into northern Israel and harassing local Arabs and in some cases attempting to park themselves on their land, claiming it can only belong to Jews and attempting to build settlements there. The govt has been incapable of dealing with these divisions and threats to its own internal security at a time when the Arab Spring has exposed a fatal weakness in Israel's inability to reach out even to modernising elements in the Arab world'

Iran doesn't benefit from instability in Israel anymore than it benefits from its own; as I tried to point out earlier the real long term problems these states face are not based on nuclear capability and confrontation, but resource management -with water being at the top of the list.

The solution with Iran is not difficult: persuade them to re-join the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty for a start, engage with them economically instead of imposing sanctions; above all, open some form of dialogue that can become a trusted means of resolving differences. There are elections in Iran this year and next, it will be a tubulent time, but Iran has shown itself willing to change in the past, and there is no reason to get hysterical right now about an imagined future in which we all get blown away.

[NYBURBS]

THe only way that happens is if BHO institutes slavery for White folk for the next 400 years.

If you think Iran's nuclear program is a threat, you need a foreign policy agenda to deal with it.
You can't ignore it and hope the problem goes away.
The biggest threat IMO posed by a nuclear Iran is how Israel will respond, not an imminent attack by the mullahs.

What will be remembered in 50 years from now is that the first black man elected to the office was a bigger disaster for the rule of law then all the white men before him put together (and that's saying a lot).

Re-read what you wrote and when you've discovered reality again, try to make sense.
Your statement to put it politely is not a well thought out sentiment and reflects ZERO knowledge of American history.

First of all, who is it a threat to? The United States? I don't think so. The Iranians know that would be the end of it for them if they used it. Segments of the Israeli political machine are pushing for this war because they see a nuclear armed Iran as a threat to either them or, more accurately, their military superiority in that region. Israel's issues should be its own, and our continued insistence in backing up everything they do is only harmful to our own security in the long run.

As to my other point, I made it in response to all the "gangsta" pics and insinuations in your other post. Obama has been an absolute and unqualified disaster for civil liberties and constitutional rule, and if you want to characterize him as a tough black man taking charge then realize others will characterize him as I wrote.

[Dino Velvet]

First of all, who is it a threat to? The United States? I don't think so. The Iranians know that would be the end of it for them if they used it. Segments of the Israeli political machine are pushing for this war because they see a nuclear armed Iran as a threat to either them or, more accurately, their military superiority in that region. Israel's issues should be its own, and our continued insistence in backing up everything they do is only harmful to our own security in the long run.

As to my other point, I made it in response to all the "gangsta" pics and insinuations in your other post. Obama has been an absolute and unqualified disaster for civil liberties and constitutional rule, and if you want to characterize him as a tough black man taking charge then realize others will characterize him as I wrote.

Here's a real gunslinger.

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[Dino Velvet]

This one is not.

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[giovanni_hotel]

That's what OBL said!;P

[Dino Velvet]

That's what OBL said!;P

He also said, "Ouch!":pumped:

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[Ben]

Iranian Scientists' Assassinations:

'Outrage Deficit' Over Iranian Scientists' Assassinations - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1MVTHXCa0c)