The Iowa Caucus is a fucking JOKE

[flabbybody]

if Ron Paul wins.
These butt heads gave us Huckabee in '08 and seem to take pride in picking the candidate with a zero probability of winning the nomination, let alone a general election. So whats the deal? Do these assholes have such little going on in their lives that they crave the few weeks every four years that the national political media recognizes their pathetically small contribution to the nation... baked potatoes and a handful of NFL players.
I'm hoping the delegates pick Paul because it will further validate Iowa's total irrelevance to presidential politics. Their quirky insistence at picking losers and simply being the first state to hold a contest will no longer fool us into thinking they count for anything.
However If Mitt wins next Tuesday, I take back this post. Rite now its a dead heat

[Silcc69]

Mitt is way to moderate for a majority of the conservatives.

[trish]

One perspective on what's wrong with Iowa ->
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/observations-from-20-years-of-iowa-life/249401/

'don't particularly agree with the general tenor of the article, but the author's points do provide a kind of explanation for the desperation on display in the current GOP candidate race.

[flabbybody]

Romney creeping ahead in latest poll, so my comment may become irrelevant.

[onmyknees]

if Ron Paul wins.
These butt heads gave us Huckabee in '08 and seem to take pride in picking the candidate with a zero probability of winning the nomination, let alone a general election. So whats the deal? Do these assholes have such little going on in their lives that they crave the few weeks every four years that the national political media recognizes their pathetically small contribution to the nation... baked potatoes and a handful of NFL players.
I'm hoping the delegates pick Paul because it will further validate Iowa's total irrelevance to presidential politics. Their quirky insistence at picking losers and simply being the first state to hold a contest will no longer fool us into thinking they count for anything.
However If Mitt wins next Tuesday, I take back this post. Rite now its a dead heat


Whoa.....somebody clamp on to your pee pee and squeeze too hard? You sound a tad to condescending and bitter against fellow Americans who view life a tad differently than you, for my taste. You come off like one of those arrogant New Yorkers who thinks everything between NY-LA is filled with yahoos who exist for nothing more than to send you their beef, vegetables, cream for your Starbucks designer coffee, and Passover lambs. Imagine a place where a hand shake seals a bussiness deal and folks like politicians to look them in the eye. Must be some fucked up place.
Iowa is a Caucus State which is far different from a primary. Only 30% of voters even bother to show up to vote in a Primary, and about half that in a caucus so it's not at all representative of much of anything, but it is what it is. Having said that, any State that sends Tom Harken to Washington who never met a farm subsidy he didn't try to cram down our throats, might indeed need to re-examine that mistake.

[trish]

...those arrogant New Yorkers who thinks everything between NY-LA is filled with yahoos who exist for nothing more than to send you their ... Passover lambs.Wha?? Passover lambs?? If flabbybody is a tad condescending, then this statement is a tad antisemitic. Of course the conclusion could be true even if the hypothesis were not.

[Faldur]

It's all Bush's fault.. just saying..

[trish]

Which Bush? George H. W. or George W.? I blame it on the burning bush. Only a yahoo would follow the commandments issued by talking bush, and only a yahoo would think any of the clowns running in the Iowa caucuses are of presidential meddle.

[Dino Velvet]

Access Hollywood sucks. It's all Bush's fault. Really, this time it is.

http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/wenn2620447__oPt.jpg

[Ben]

if Ron Paul wins.
These butt heads gave us Huckabee in '08 and seem to take pride in picking the candidate with a zero probability of winning the nomination, let alone a general election. So whats the deal? Do these assholes have such little going on in their lives that they crave the few weeks every four years that the national political media recognizes their pathetically small contribution to the nation... baked potatoes and a handful of NFL players.
I'm hoping the delegates pick Paul because it will further validate Iowa's total irrelevance to presidential politics. Their quirky insistence at picking losers and simply being the first state to hold a contest will no longer fool us into thinking they count for anything.
However If Mitt wins next Tuesday, I take back this post. Rite now its a dead heat

Just a thought: if the dull Dems opposed: war, imperialism, excessive state secrecy, the asinine/absurd/catastrophic/racist Drug War, corporatism, etc., Ron Paul wouldn't be an issue....

[trish]

One can sensibly oppose particular wars, but Ron opposes all wars. One can sensibly oppose imperialism, but one cannot sensibly label the U.S. imperialist. One can sensibly oppose excessive anything, but define excessive. One can sensibly support legalization of marijuana, but can one really sensibly argue for the legalization of crystal meth? Ron is praised for his consistency, but is it really all the admirable or difficult to lay down one simple cartoonish principle of how the world should work and then rigidly adhere to it?

[hippifried]

One can sensibly oppose imperialism, but one cannot sensibly label the U.S. imperialist.

That's right. No empire here.

Oh by the way, Ben. You Brits are falling way behind on your tribute. We may have to confiscate Scotland.

[russtafa]

That's right. No empire here.

Oh by the way, Ben. You Brits are falling way behind on your tribute. We may have to confiscate Scotland.
What do you call Hawaii ?

[trish]

A State of the Union:rolleyes:

[Dino Velvet]

What do you call Hawaii ?

Western Kenya.

[russtafa]

A State of the Union:rolleyes:part of the American Empire:rolleyes:

[Dino Velvet]

I got chunks in my stool bigger than Australia.

[russtafa]

wow must be a giant asshole because Australia is thousands of square miles lol

[Dino Velvet]

wow must be a giant asshole because Australia is thousands of square miles lol

The plumbers over here all the time fishing countries out of the bowl.

[Faldur]

What do you call Hawaii ?

Well ask our President and he'll say its part of Asia.. :hide-1:

[Stavros]

one cannot sensibly label the U.S. imperialist.

The USA is an Empire, in the sense that it is an imperium, with the additional qualification of of having an imperium in imperio: in other words, a Federal government and States governments: just as the United Kingdom is an empire, and a bedouin tribe an empire with a recognised head and a domain over which it claims authority. In that sense the US is imperialist, and cannot otherwise be, unless government is abolished.

But what is the point of serious discussion in either Politics & Religion or the General Discussion when two board members in particular will merely use it as an opportunity to shit and piss on it for no other reason than to prove that Hung Angels only exists as their alternative toilet, who think their shit and their piss is so much more important than anything you have to say about issues be they serious, light-hearted or whatever. Which is why this board has become a waste of my time and an insult to my intelligence.

[russtafa]

i know that Texas,Hawaii,American Samoa are your colonies

[Prospero]

Stavros - do you really expect an in-depth and serious political discussion here? There are a few serious souls around but most come to Hung Angels because it has lots of sexy pictures and lots of chatter about sex. That's the bottom line. Thse who also have an interest in posting anything intelligent - on the arts, politics or anything else - are in a pretty small minority. Accept that and enjoy the play but look elsewhere for serious content.

[russtafa]

i know that Texas,Hawaii,American Samoa are your colonies
good for America that they have these colonies:Bowdown:

[trish]

Whereas I assume Stavos’s definition of empire is academically correct, it is probably not the sense of empire that Ron Paul uses, or Ben uses or Russtafa uses when criticizing the U.S. for being an empire. To Ron Paul an empire seems to be a nation that militarily and politically rules a network of other nations which are culturally and historically independent and which would prefer political independence circumstances being otherwise. E.g. Having been conquered Gaul became a far flung nation in the Roman Empire. Ron Paul would have you believe Japan, Germany and all the other nations that house U.S. troops belong to such an empire. Even he knows it is at best a metaphor and that he’s pushing it to the breaking point. Russtafa goes even further down the road of absurdity. He would have you believe Texas would truly prefer to leave the Union rather than pay tribute to King Obama. There is a tad bit of truth to the claim: it’s not that Texans aren’t proud to be American citizens, they just hate the fact that there’s a black liberal in the White House (centrist though he be).

Historically Europeans confiscated and colonized North America, South America, South Africa, Australia and a lot of other places too. Today, several centuries later, the peoples inhabiting the 50 States of the U.S. share a common history and culture while remaining on the whole happily diverse. Almost to a person U.S. citizens are proud to be such regardless of their ethnic origins, religion, education, class or political persuasion. It seems to me ridiculous to suggest the 50 states are far flung nations of the Washington D.C. Empire in the sense that “empire” is used when it’s being used as derogatory term. And it seems to me just as ridiculous to claim that Germany is a far flung nation in the D.C. Empire just because we have military bases in Germany. (Let this not be taken as tacit approval of those bases. I agree with Ron Paul that we have no longer need of those bases and they’re a drain on our resources. But I find Ron’s overall perspective to be alarmingly sophmorish and dangerously childish).

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/ron-pauls-world/

[fred41]

..... but is it really all that admirable or difficult to lay down one simple cartoonish principle of how the world should work and then rigidly adhere to it?

...and possibly drag a country down with it...(note: I did say "possibly"..I realize there are checks and balances ). Trish's comment is a question even Paul's ardent followers should ask themselves in the quiet time before they drift off to sleep at night.


Whereas I assume Stavos’s definition of empire is academically correct, it is probably not the sense of empire that Ron Paul uses, or Ben uses or Russtafa uses when criticising the U.S. as being an empire...etc.
http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/ron-pauls-world/

...I believe it is Paul's foreign policy views that often keep main stream voters away...that perhaps he wouldn't do enough to protect his own country in order to stick to his political principles...(well that and his association with conspiracy theorists...:) )

[fred41]

Stavros - do you really expect an in-depth and serious political discussion here? There are a few serious souls around but most come to Hung Angels because it has lots of sexy pictures and lots of chatter about sex. That's the bottom line. Thse who also have an interest in posting anything intelligent - on the arts, politics or anything else - are in a pretty small minority. Accept that and enjoy the play but look elsewhere for serious content.
To be honest...I've learned quite a few things from the "few serious souls around here".

...and even from the not too serious....

[russtafa]

Whereas I assume Stavos’s definition of empire is academically correct, it is probably not the sense of empire that Ron Paul uses, or Ben uses or Russtafa uses when criticizing the U.S. for being an empire. To Ron Paul an empire seems to be a nation that militarily and politically rules a network of other nations which are culturally and historically independent and which would prefer political independence circumstances being otherwise. E.g. Having been conquered Gaul became a far flung nation in the Roman Empire. Ron Paul would have you believe Japan, Germany and all the other nations that house U.S. troops belong to such an empire. Even he knows it is at best a metaphor and that he’s pushing it to the breaking point. Russtafa goes even further down the road of absurdity. He would have you believe Texas would truly prefer to leave the Union rather than pay tribute to King Obama. There is a tad bit of truth to the claim: it’s not that Texans aren’t proud to be American citizens, they just hate the fact that there’s a black liberal in the White House (centrist though he be).

Historically Europeans confiscated and colonized North America, South America, South Africa, Australia and a lot of other places too. Today, several centuries later, the peoples inhabiting the 50 States of the U.S. share a common history and culture while remaining on the whole happily diverse. Almost to a person U.S. citizens are proud to be such regardless of their ethnic origins, religion, education, class or political persuasion. It seems to me ridiculous to suggest the 50 states are far flung nations of the Washington D.C. Empire in the sense that “empire” is used when it’s being used as derogatory term. And it seems to me just as ridiculous to claim that Germany is a far flung nation in the D.C. Empire just because we have military bases in Germany. (Let this not be taken as tacit approval of those bases. I agree with Ron Paul that we have no longer need of those bases and they’re a drain on our resources. But I find Ron’s overall perspective to be alarmingly sophmorish and dangerously childish).

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/ron-pauls-world/No Trish i am saying America took Texas took Texas off Mexico,Hawaii was taken from the Hawaiians and so on and good on the Yanks

[flabbybody]

To be honest...I've learned quite a few things from the "few serious souls around here".

...and even from the not too serious....
me too. of course I'm here primarily for the hot pics and sexual content but whenever I pop into this section I'm always pleasantly surprised by the intelligent chatter

[trish]

No Trish i am saying America took Texas took Texas off Mexico,Hawaii was taken from the Hawaiians and so on and good on the YanksThen I apologize for misconstruing your meaning. But if that's all you mean, then how are your remarks at all relevant to the present discussion? Are you saying that because "America took Texas off Mexico" we shouldn't have military bases in Texas? It seems to be Ron's position that the U.S. shouldn't have any far flung nations within the "empire" let alone have troops stationed in those nations belonging to the "empire." Should we remove our troops from Hawaii? Should we withdraw non-native population? Should the non-aboriginal population of Australia remove themselves from the continent?

[russtafa]

Then I apologize for misconstruing your meaning. But if that's all you mean, then how are your remarks at all relevant to the present discussion? Are you saying that because "America took Texas off Mexico" we shouldn't have military bases in Texas? It seems to be Ron's position that the U.S. shouldn't have any far flung nations within the "empire" let alone have troops stationed in those nations belonging to the "empire." Should we remove our troops from Hawaii? Should we withdraw non-native population? Should the non-aboriginal population of Australia remove themselves from the continent?all i am saying is you have an Empire and good for America and it has benefited the local populations.i know you are against Empires but it has not hurt America but it has hurt all the European countries that have had them

[Dino Velvet]

And how many of us would be willing to go back to the land of our ancestors in a time machine to bring the indians back? Too cold for me. I like it here.

[trish]

i know you are against EmpiresWhy would you say that? I happen to think many of the empires of the past helped advance civilization by integrating peoples and cultures. I'm just surprised to find a conservative who is in favor of big government.

[trish]

The worst part of going back to the past is the lack of indoor plumbing.

[russtafa]

the past always affects the future