The bisexual man is no longer a myth. [Archive] - HungAngels

yodajazz

08-24-2011, 09:27 AM

They are people that don't believe that bi men are really bisexuals. Most think that bisexual men are just gay men that are too afraid to come out. Well know there a scientific study saying otherwise.

I'm one who thinks that everyone is bisexual, there are only degrees of attraction, to one or the other, on the male-female scale. On a scale of 1 to 1,000, no one would be 0 or 1,000, because theorectically there is always the possibility of some situation, where they would do it with somebody on the same side of the scale.

woodywoodsac

08-24-2011, 09:43 AM

This is how I see it:

Gay is when you are a man and are sexually attracted to the image of another man, ie: dressed as a man, jeans, t-shirt, trainers, short hair etc. Or vice versa if you are a woman of course, only change the label to Lesbian.

Bi-sexual is when you are sexually attracted to the image of a man and the image of woman.

When you sexually like the image of a woman but know she has that special extra, ie a cock, thats where it all gets a bit blurred!

I just know what I like. Image of a sexy woman with a cock.

Jericho

08-24-2011, 10:08 AM

Now he's a mythter! :whistle:

Nowhere

08-24-2011, 01:24 PM

They are people that don't believe that bi men are really bisexuals. Most think that bisexual men are just gay men that are too afraid to come out. Well know there a scientific study saying otherwise.

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/23/bisexual-men-science-says-theyre-real/

They need more studies like this, since the belief is currently the opposite EVERYWHERE.

I have an acquaintance of mine I actually feel terrible for coming out as being bi recently since all of his friends think it's just his first step into coming terms of being 100% gay, talking with a lisp, and wearing rainbow flags everywhere. But, this is more an anti-man thing than anything, since there's never been a doubt in female bisexuality.

Also, it's a lot of 'wishful thinking' and hope for social pressure from gay men, since, well, it's more dating / sex opportunity for themselves if they can get all bi men thinking the side of themselves into women was simply 'a phase.' True or not, it's in their interest to spread that word everywhere, as it's been done to everyone and their mother...

robertlouis

08-24-2011, 02:12 PM

They need more studies like this, since the belief is currently the opposite EVERYWHERE.

I have an acquaintance of mine I actually feel terrible for coming out as being bi recently since all of his friends think it's just his first step into coming terms of being 100% gay, talking with a lisp, and wearing rainbow flags everywhere. But, this is more an anti-man thing than anything, since there's never been a doubt in female bisexuality.

Also, it's a lot of 'wishful thinking' and hope for social pressure from gay men, since, well, it's more dating / sex opportunity for themselves if they can get all bi men thinking the side of themselves into women was simply 'a phase.' True or not, it's in their interest to spread that word everywhere, as it's been done to everyone and their mother...

What I find most sad in your post is that people should still in this day and age feel fear and a stigma about coming out as gay, although there are groups in society which will always instinctively reject, one would hope that the greater society was becoming more tolerant, even welcoming.

I've met openly bisexual men and women over the years and they've always seemed, well, normal, whatever the hell that means. I think Ben or Ineeda has described himself as "pansexual", ie. being drawn to a person regardless of gender simply because there is an attraction there, and that all of us are actually or potentially pansexual. I like that definition more than bi, hetero or gay.

Live and let live.

scroller

08-24-2011, 02:32 PM

I had a really mean lesbian instructor in college who would routinely badmouth bisexuals as not really existing. My impression is that for her having to make a very hard, radical lifestyle "switch", she was kind of offended by anyone that had a more moderate or relaxed alternate lifestyle (i.e., an easier time of it). Either that, or the classic chain-of-bigotry where she was looking to beat up on some class even more reviled than homosexuals.

arnie666

08-24-2011, 05:37 PM

Why couldn't they use the money given to these pointless studies for cancer research? No one really gives a shit what a bunch of people who swing both ways like to call themselves. I know I don't.

dickgurl69

08-24-2011, 06:09 PM

QUOTE=woodywoodsac;991445]This is how I see it:

Gay is when you are a man and are sexually attracted to the image of another man, ie: dressed as a man, jeans, t-shirt, trainers, short hair etc. Or vice versa if you are a woman of course, only change the label to Lesbian.

Bi-sexual is when you are sexually attracted to the image of a man and the image of woman.

When you sexually like the image of a woman but know she has that special extra, ie a cock, thats where it all gets a bit blurred!

I just know what I like. Image of a sexy woman with a cock.[/QUOTE]

:iagree:

BigDF

08-24-2011, 07:42 PM

They need more studies like this, since the belief is currently the opposite EVERYWHERE.

I have an acquaintance of mine I actually feel terrible for coming out as being bi recently since all of his friends think it's just his first step into coming terms of being 100% gay, talking with a lisp, and wearing rainbow flags everywhere. But, this is more an anti-man thing than anything, since there's never been a doubt in female bisexuality.

Also, it's a lot of 'wishful thinking' and hope for social pressure from gay men, since, well, it's more dating / sex opportunity for themselves if they can get all bi men thinking the side of themselves into women was simply 'a phase.' True or not, it's in their interest to spread that word everywhere, as it's been done to everyone and their mother...It seems a bit ironic to me that a person who has labeled himself "Nowhere" would be such an authority of the beliefs of Everywhere. Of course, after I read your second paragraph I started to realize where all this authority is coming from. So at this point, I'm really curious as to how you would label your own sexuality?

But then again, I really don't care about your sexuality, as I have more than enough problems with my own.:)

flabbybody

08-25-2011, 12:37 AM

Why couldn't they use the money given to these pointless studies for cancer research? No one really gives a shit what a bunch of people who swing both ways like to call themselves. I know I don't.
there's always a lot of guys who are attracted to tgirls who worry about being gay.
hense the endless discussion about sexual orientation of chasers

Nashvegas

08-25-2011, 12:40 AM

there's always a lot of guys who are attracted to tgirls who worry about being gay.
hense the endless discussion about sexual orientation of chasers

Seriously, there are tons of insecure dudes on this site who worry way too much about labels and what other people think of them.

onmyknees

08-25-2011, 03:02 AM

Seriously, there are tons of insecure dudes on this site who worry way too much about labels and what other people think of them.

Shit....ain't that the truth. So much so that they even invent new words to describe thier sexuality. I have more respect for those in your face gay dudes, as combative as they are. At least they aren't searching for some category they can comfortably put themselves in.
And really isn't it insecurity ? Who really cares ? Come to terms with who and what you are, accept whatever that is, and you'll more than likely live comfortably ever after !

Hydrant

08-25-2011, 03:29 AM

Social and health workers have a category called MWHSWM (Man Who Have Sex With Men) to cover guys "who do not identify themselves as gay". I suppose prisoners who only fuck men when they are inside would be included in there.

I've been with quite a few male-female couples who escort and I always look for the ones with bi guys because, although I'm not turned on by men who look like men, I'm happy to suck a nice cock if a feminine presence is also involved.

Can I have my own category now please..?

Nicole Dupre

08-25-2011, 03:31 AM

Actually "who cares what you are" only works on a forum where you're anonymous. In real life, where you'd have to show some balls to survive, many of you are essentially confused closet fags who aren't quite sure exactly who's dick you'd suck. That's actually more like a promiscuous gay man's attitude than a gay man with a life partner who marches for gay rights.

The guys who do care want to better understand themselves, and have some inkling to be proud of their lives. They're the guys who just might be on the level of the self-actualized women who went the TS route. The rest of you are basically DL clowns - which is fine of course. But in the end, it's difficult to respect you. You tend to be the guys who won't speak up when you find yourself in a conversation with homophobes and transphobes.

When it counts the most, and we feel abandoned the most, is when closet fag rednecks like Marcus Bachman want to "cure" us, jail us, or worse. That's when you need to say something like, "Well, fuck you. I suck dick and take it up the ass, and I'm all man. And if you say I'm not, maybe I'll hand you your redneck ass."

But guys only say stuff like that to prove they're NOT gay. That's the only way they'll speak up either way.

That's why I think James/Erika is ultimately such a vile, hypocritical piece of crap. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. I know he's pretty fat, but no pun intended. LOL

Personally, I feel sorry for most guys like that. Secrets are a bitch.

Ineeda SM

08-25-2011, 03:34 AM

Lirth

08-25-2011, 03:36 AM

Just submit it to myth busters

Nicole Dupre

08-25-2011, 04:07 AM

Whoever said that the bisexual man was a myth, is an asshole. I agree that these labels are getting way out of hand. I have been bisexual for 40 years, and have known many bisexuals. They/we have never been a myth. I have always had an attraction to men and women alike. I don't recognise new labels like pansexual. Next someone will start calling themselves unisexual. If they like dogs, they will call themselves a K9sexual. If they like sheep, they would be a bahsexual......too many bull shit labels.

Bisexual is the proper word for those who like cock and pussy equally. If you are straight, you like the opposite sex. If you are homosexual, you like the same sex. If you are bisexual, you like both sexes. Like it or not, if you call yourself a pansexual, the truth is you are bisexual. If a bisexual likes men and women, it only stands to reason that a bisexual would really like a transsexual. You get the best of both sexes in one sweet package. You don't need a fourth category label to like TG's.

I am a proud bisexual that likes men, women, and TG's. Just be proud of what ever label you have, and don't worry about it.
A few more labels doesn't hurt. People aren't just attracted to genitals. Accurate terms won't hurt anyone. A sexual act with a particular person is not sexuality. The REAL myth is the sexuality label. Unless you're sexuality aroused, the label is moot anyway. If you want labels, the more the merrier, as long as they make sense. But just having 2 or 3 is problematic. If a man says, ""I love this man. He's my husband." That's a homosexual relationship. But if that guy closes his eyes and gets head from a woman, his dick won't have a sexuality. lol Sexuality is actually fluid, not static, technically. I'm not attracted to women, but my penis will enjoy being in a mouth. That's just reality.

robertlouis

08-25-2011, 04:18 AM

Whoever said that the bisexual man was a myth, is an asshole. I agree that these labels are getting way out of hand. I have been bisexual for 40 years, and have known many bisexuals. They/we have never been a myth. I have always had an attraction to men and women alike. I don't recognise new labels like pansexual. Next someone will start calling themselves unisexual. If they like dogs, they will call themselves a K9sexual. If they like sheep, they would be a bahsexual......too many bull shit labels.

Bisexual is the proper word for those who like cock and pussy equally. If you are straight, you like the opposite sex. If you are homosexual, you like the same sex. If you are bisexual, you like both sexes. Like it or not, if you call yourself a pansexual, the truth is you are bisexual. If a bisexual likes men and women, it only stands to reason that a bisexual would really like a transsexual. You get the best of both sexes in one sweet package. You don't need a fourth category label to like TG's.

I am a proud bisexual that likes men, women, and TG's. Just be proud of what ever label you have, and don't worry about it.

Sorry if I took your name in vain, Ineeda. On the more general point, I agree with you entirely. The obsession with labels drives me nuts too, and on HA it seems to operate like a knee-jerk defence mechanism to obscure an individual's own sexual identity insecurities and instead turn the spotlight on the next guy. Worst of all is the all too frequent and derisory labelling of someone you disagree with as a "faggot" or something similar. On this forum of all places, how can that label be bandied about as an insult? smh.

Nicole Dupre

08-25-2011, 04:23 AM

Sorry if I took your name in vain, Ineeda. On the more general point, I agree with you entirely. The obsession with labels drives me nuts too, and on HA it seems to operate like a knee-jerk defence mechanism to obscure an individual's own sexual identity insecurities and instead turn the spotlight on the next guy. Worst of all is the all too frequent and derisory labelling of someone you disagree with as a "faggot" or something similar. On this forum of all places, how can that label be bandied about as an insult? smh.
I use the term "faggot" as a synonym for 'closeted coward'.

It's like the word "jerk". People say, "What a jerk!", but it says as much about the person assigning the label as it does about the person they put it on.

If I call someone a "faggot", you can just assume I'm speaking 'Tran-ese'. lol

Ineeda SM

08-25-2011, 04:23 AM

A few more labels doesn't hurt. People aren't just attracted to genitals. Accurate terms won't hurt anyone. A sexual act with a particular person is not sexuality. The REAL myth is the sexuality label. Unless you're sexuality aroused, the label is moot anyway. If you want labels, the more the merrier, as long as they make sense. But just having 2 or 3 is problematic. If a man says, ""I love this man. He's my husband." That's a homosexual relationship. But if that guy closes his eyes and gets head from a woman, his dick won't have a sexuality. lol Sexuality is actually fluid, not static, technically. I'm not attracted to women, but my penis will enjoy being in a mouth. That's just reality.

Yeah I guess so. I am just tired of all the lables, and people finding it necessary to invent new ones to describe themselves. It seems that the only people who find a lable important, are those who are confused and need a lable to remind them of what they are. And if they are still confused, " HEY let's make up a new lable that sounds nicer and that I can live with". Or they are the stupid that don't understand us and use the lable like an insult or curse word. Like the guy who wears a pink tie at the office. His co-workers don't see a pink tie, they see a big sign that says, "I'M A FAG", even though he isn't. We really need to get over the lable hype.

robertlouis

08-25-2011, 04:27 AM

I use the term "faggot" as a synonym for 'closeted coward'.

It's like the word "jerk". People say, "What a jerk!", but it says as much about the person assigning the label as it does about the person they put it on.

If I call someone a "faggot", you can just assume I'm speaking 'Tran-ese'. lol

That's fair, Nicole. I was thinking more of the way it's casually thrown about in guy-on-guy (see what I did there? :dancing:) disputes, whether it's here in General Discussion or even more irrelevantly over on the Politics section.

Wanker, fine. We all do it, after all. :jerkoff

But faggot? Do me a favour.

Ineeda SM

08-25-2011, 04:29 AM

Sorry if I took your name in vain, Ineeda.

No problem at all. I didn't see it that way. You were just dis-spelling the myth that bisexual men are a myth, and I am a perfect example of that.

Nicole Dupre

08-25-2011, 04:37 AM

The term "homosexual" was only invented in the early 20th century by some German dude. Before that, any sexual thought or act that wasn't in line with Abrahamic procreation dogma ie. "be fruitful and multiply" was being a "sodomite".

It's sorta like Dr Suess' "Star-Belly Sneetches"; some had stars on their bellies but some didn't. ;-) 'Divide and conquer' is all it amounts to these days.

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onmyknees

08-25-2011, 05:06 AM

If it was me you were referring to in quotes "who cares" you misunderstood. My point was who cares what the labels are, not who cares what your sexuality is. And the only one that should care about that is you. There's an enormous difference in what I meant, and what you interpreted. Many of you think it's customary to walk around announcing your sexuality, and your sexual preferences, or somehow feel obligated to explain. I suppose I can understand that since many are in the sex industry but for those of us that aren't....it's a private matter. This forum is an anathema, in case you all hadn't noticed.lol My choices both in terms of partners and preferences are mine and mine alone, I don't kiss and tell,, I don't share the details of my encounters and I don't expect anyone else to volunteer that information to me. And I surely don't give a rats ass what anyone on here thinks, because I never discuss it. Or as Seinfeld said....'it's in the vault". I'm neither proud, nor ashamed of it...contrary to your contention. Similarly, I'm not compelled to discuss or disclose the things I saw, or did while overseas.

A secret, as you put it would seem to infer something you're ashamed of....and I'm not. There's a difference between privacy and secrecy. It is what it is...And in the course of friendships, business relationships, and everyday interaction, the subject never comes up....it comes up here because many are dealing with some sort of identity issues. I don't waste a minute thinking about how to identify myself, or what others might think. Maybe that's maturity, maybe it's my I don't give a fuck attitude. And the reflection on one's life in terms of being proud, has nothing to do with sex or sexuality. It has to do with your accomplishments in terms of your humanity, your family, and your friends, your sacrifices, and your contributions to society. And btw ..why should anyone put any credence into what Marcus Bachmann says ? It perplexes me that anyone would take time to not only quote him, but analyze him.... he's no more qualified to judge anyone than the shrinks on here HA. lol
If you weren't directly referring to my post....then simply consider this a general post.

ValerieNelson

08-25-2011, 05:08 AM

Yeah I guess so. I am just tired of all the lables, and people finding it necessary to invent new ones to describe themselves. It seems that the only people who find a lable important, are those who are confused and need a lable to remind them of what they are. And if they are still confused, " HEY let's make up a new lable that sounds nicer and that I can live with". Or they are the stupid that don't understand us and use the lable like an insult or curse word. Like the guy who wears a pink tie at the office. His co-workers don't see a pink tie, they see a big sign that says, "I'M A FAG", even though he isn't. We really need to get over the lable hype.

I identify as Pansexual and feel it describes my orientation better than Bisexuality. Am I confused? No.

Give it time and there will be the "Pansexuality is no longer a myth," thread going. :wiggle:

Nicole Dupre

08-25-2011, 05:14 AM

Here's the guy I was referring to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathia_Sexualis_(book)#Psychopathia_Sexualis

Ineeda SM

08-25-2011, 05:20 AM

Give it time and there will be the "Pansexuality is no longer a myth," thread going. :wiggle:

LMAO. I have no doubt.

BTW, Congrats on the new 34DD's. Looks great Valerie.

suckshemalecock

08-25-2011, 05:23 AM

Anyhow, Ineedasm Ur fucking avatar is the best..

Ineeda SM

08-25-2011, 05:27 AM

Anyhow, Ineedasm Ur fucking avatar is the best..

Thanks. I would say it is my dick in the avatar, but I am sure someone would use it against me.:)

robertlouis

08-25-2011, 05:27 AM

Is a pansexual someone with a fetish for shagging kitchen utensils? :joke:

suckshemalecock

08-25-2011, 05:28 AM

Thanks. I would say it is my dick in the avatar, but I am sure someone would use it against me.:)

:Bowdown: i believe you

robertlouis

08-25-2011, 05:53 AM

Thanks. I would say it is my dick in the avatar, but I am sure someone would use it against me.:)

A boy can dream.... ;) :whistle:

Ben

12-11-2013, 05:45 AM

There are Bisexual Men - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrArv1MI-Cs)

danthepoetman

12-11-2013, 06:57 AM

There are Bisexual Men - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrArv1MI-Cs)

This guy just arrived from Pluto, Ben, hasn't he?
To me, it's comes down to the same thing: where are we comming from. Our closest parents in the evolutive chain are chimpanzees, which two varieties exists. Common chimps and bonobos. Chimps are often bisexual and bonobos are completely bisexuals. History also shows that societies were largely bisexuals before christianity. So there you have it.
Besides, we think of ourselves as much too independant from our biology. If there wasn't a biological capacity or propension to same sex relations, there wouldn't be, like in many animals.
I refer you here to a couple of enlightening articles from Wiki...
Homosexual behavior in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals)

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior)

Ben

12-11-2013, 07:14 AM

[QUOTE=danthepoetman;1424469]This guy just arrived from Pluto, Ben, hasn't he?
To me, it's comes down to the same thing: where are we comming from. Our closest parents in the evolutive chain are chimpanzees, which two varieties exists. Common chimps and bonobos. Chimps are often bisexual and bonobos are completely bisexuals. History also shows that societies were largely bisexuals before christianity. So there you have it.
Besides, we think of ourselves as much too independant from our biology. If there wasn't a biological capacity or propension to same sex relations, there wouldn't be, like in many animals. /QUOTE]

True Dan, very true... as you point out: "... bonobos are completely bisexual. History also shows that societies were largely bisexual before Christianity. So there you have it."

luccas

12-16-2013, 04:00 AM

I see it this way:

Gay is when you are a man and are sexually attracted to the image of another manand have "feelings"for man fell in love with people your own genre

Bi-sexual is when you are "sexually" attracted to the image of a man and the image of woman but without feelings for them just flesh

lar336

12-16-2013, 04:20 AM

It is a great that a study supports Bisexuality. I am fanscinated by what we find out about sexuality because a lot of it is behind a lock door. I have heard several studies that people "apparent" paradoxes about sex and attraction. One I remember was a study that was about people's partner preferences among speed daters. One girl in particular was asked to fill out her preferences in a partner before she went to speed dating and she emphasized sincerity and intelligence. But after going out with one guy who was describe by other participants as attractive and funny, not sincere and intelligence, this girl was asked about her preferences after and she changed it to attractive and funny. A month later she was asked the same thing and she went back to intelligence and sincere.

What the researchers found that this girl, who was representative of other men and women in the study, would tend to change their preferences to the person they are dating currently. But after a while, she would go back to her "conscious" preferences. When this girl had time to sit down and think about what she wanted, it was sincerity and intelligence. But in the situation when you just meet someone, its automatic you can't sit down and think about it. And in that case, it becomes attractive and funny and those are more unconscious preferences.

The point of the study was that what we think we are attracted to, a lot is unconscious and "behind a locked door." So yes someone can be both attracted to men and women, transgender, cd...That appears to be a paradox, but I think it is more due to our lack of understanding the true motives, taughts, and feelings behind sexual attractions