What Is The Next Gun You Plan On Buying?

[Stavros]

so when the aliens come to kill us all ............we are relying heavily on you the American public with guns to shoot them and things. More AK47's please with special alien piercing metal bullet things.

get practicing!

Sammi the aliens came and went while the Queen was in Australia. They had one look at London and decided to head off to Skegness...no guns could control them, nor dull their infinite velocity...



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[onmyknees]

so when the aliens come to kill us all ............we are relying heavily on you the American public with guns to shoot them and things. More AK47's please with special alien piercing metal bullet things.

get practicing!


You're funny Sammi, and sexy, and smart. Yes...we'll protect you Britts even from yourselves if need be ( but not from the Irish...our sympathies end there..lol)
But seriously, for as much as we have in common, there are some profound differences. I've been there many times, and love it, but just as many Britts can't get your hands around the whole fascination with guns here in the US, I can never fully understand that whole royality thing.


So when I come visit you and Libby....I'll have coffee, you can have tea, I'll ride my Harley-Davidson, you can ride your Triumph. I'll buy you dinner in dollars, and you buy me dessert in pounds. I'll drink my beer ice cold, you drink your ale at room temperature....I'll take you to an NFL game in London, and you can escort me to a soccer game in Manchester....and we'll have a blast.

[trish]

While most guns are just dangerous toys for guys with penis issues, some guns are in fact very useful. I'm going out this afternoon for one of these ->

[Stavros]

no Trish you need to follow Snoop's example...

The Wire Season 4 Opening & Intro - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JK8j0KNLl0)

[Stavros]

You're funny Sammi, and sexy, and smart. Yes...we'll protect you Britts even from yourselves if need be ( but not from the Irish...our sympathies end there..lol)
But seriously, for as much as we have in common, there are some profound differences. I've been there many times, and love it, but just as many Britts can't get your hands around the whole fascination with guns here in the US, I can never fully understand that whole royality thing.


So when I come visit you and Libby....I'll have coffee, you can have tea, I'll ride my Harley-Davidson, you can ride your Triumph. I'll buy you dinner in dollars, and you buy me dessert in pounds. I'll drink my beer ice cold, you drink your ale at room temperature....I'll take you to an NFL game in London, and you can escort me to a soccer game in Manchester....and we'll have a blast.


Faux pas there onmyknees: you might want to think about taking Sammi to a 'soccer' game in...Liverpool...

[trish]

no Trish you need to follow Snoop's example...

The Wire Season 4 Opening & Intro - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JK8j0KNLl0)I DO love a nail driver who's also a big tipper.

[BigDF]

It's just you. There are way bigger guns that are legal for us to own. Plus they are selling it in Semi automatic so it is just as dangerous as any other semi automatic. It will only fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. It looks cool so people just think it can do more than it is actually able. Having it belt fed is no different than having a C-mag on it. Why classify it fully auto when it is not?

Actually when I think about it, really would be better to license the magazine size. Even as fast as you can pull the trigger, the belt fed (or C-mag) rifle will put a lot of rounds down range, before the need to reload. The only reason I can see for a normal civilian gun owner to buy something like this is because they don't want the hassle of reloading smaller magazines at the range. The caliber doesn't matter to me very much because I feel that same way about 100 round magazines on .22 rifles.

You don't have to worry about my opinion because it will never happen in this country, as both sides of the gun issue have no compromise at all in them. And for now there are more gun owners than non-gun owners, so things will remain as they are for the time being.:(

[Dino Velvet]

We're Americans, we like guns, and ain't nobody gonna change us. No need for anyone to worry. We only shoot each other keeping everything in house. A life devalues itself when it enters a home crawling through a window instead of being welcomed walking through the front door.

One of the scariest friends I had was a ghost-white English guy who kept a hammer in his coat. Quiet fella always seething with rage but a loyal friend to me.

[BigDF]

We're Americans, we like guns, and ain't nobody gonna change us. No need for anyone to worry. We only shoot each other keeping everything in house. A life devalues itself when it enters a home crawling through a window instead of being welcomed walking through the front door.

One of the scariest friends I had was a ghost-white English guy who kept a hammer in his coat. Quiet fella always seething with rage but a loyal friend to me.I've had friends like that.:)

[Dino Velvet]

I've had friends like that.:)

I worked in Santa Monica. We had a good deal going with British guys coming over. They were smart and respectful and got in good with us. If we didn't hire one of their friends we found them a job somewhere else. They were sorted out even before they got on our soil. Most were good doormen and knew chain of command so they earned good treatment with secure employment.

[trish]

So would you kill a guy just for crawling through your window?! Seems to me he has a devalued sense of property, not life. Or maybe just an abhorrence for doors. It devalues life, when one values one's property more than another's life.

[Dino Velvet]

So would you kill a guy just for crawling through your window?!

Yep. It's an invasion of my home. I think we've had this discussion before. I know we don't agree.

[trish]

But when you value your property more than the trespasser's life, don't you devalue life?

[Dino Velvet]

But when you value your property more than the trespasser's life, don't you devalue life?

Nope. I'm not a bad person for protecting my property. The intruder puts a price tag on his own head with his own chosen behavior.

[trish]

Didn't say you were bad, just that you valued your property more than the trespasser's life. But, no, he didn't put a price on his head, you did. Nothing wrong with that, but if that's your position you should take full responsibility for it.

What if he was just tryin' to hide from the revenuers? :)

[Dino Velvet]

Didn't say you were bad, just that you valued your property more than the trespasser's life. But, no, he didn't put a price on his head, you did. Nothing wrong with that, but if that's your position you should take full responsibility for it.

What if he was just tryin' to hide from the revenuers? :)

He did... I did... I no care. I'm a nice guy and it takes a real lot to anger me. All I ask is that you receive an invitation first. I'm a great host. I got a cold one for you too, Trish.

[trish]

So now you're saying you don't care about the relative values of life and property that are held by either party. You'll shoot him because he didn't have an invitation. I just don't believe you've ever thought this through. But that all right. I'll use the door and accept a cold one.

[Dino Velvet]

So now you're saying you don't care about the relative values of life and property that are held by either party. You'll shoot him because he didn't have an invitation. I just don't believe you've ever thought this through. But that all right. I'll use the door and accept a cold one.

Pretty much but you are always welcome. I got all 3 Seasons of Deadwood on DVD and I'll go to the Ralph's and share a bottle of your favorite bourbon with you. I can be highly civilized between periods of barbarism. You and me don't agree on much but we get along.

[trish]

...I'll go to the Ralph's and share a bottle of your favorite bourbon with you.
That'll be Knob Creek Kentucky Bourbon.

[Dino Velvet]

That'll be Knob Creek Kentucky Bourbon.

See how good we get along? You got it. Hug???

[onmyknees]

While most guns are just dangerous toys for guys with penis issues, some guns are in fact very useful. I'm going out this afternoon for one of these ->



Liberals say the dumbest things....or was that kids say the dambest things? Not much difference really. You are absolutely the most intolerant person on these boards, but more than likely you don't look in the mirror much.

[Quiet Reflections]

Personally, I'd rather have a semi auto than a full auto. Butt that's just me.
Me too. Better accuracy is what I'm about. My fully autos are more fun on the range but simply putting a ton of rounds down range will never make a guy a better shot.

[Quiet Reflections]

Actually when I think about it, really would be better to license the magazine size. Even as fast as you can pull the trigger, the belt fed (or C-mag) rifle will put a lot of rounds down range, before the need to reload. The only reason I can see for a normal civilian gun owner to buy something like this is because they don't want the hassle of reloading smaller magazines at the range. The caliber doesn't matter to me very much because I feel that same way about 100 round magazines on .22 rifles.

You don't have to worry about my opinion because it will never happen in this country, as both sides of the gun issue have no compromise at all in them. And for now there are more gun owners than non-gun owners, so things will remain as they are for the time being.:(
Well a lot of states do limit what you can buy in state. In maryland you can't buy anything bigger than 20 rds from a store but since it is legal to own larger mags and c-mags you can get them out of state and at gun shows(in state gun shows also). But since 2004 when the assault weapon ban expired it has been up to the individual states to regulate such things. They made it very hard to get a concealed carry permit here. Your opinion is fine with me, I would be in favor of tighter gun laws if they also included gun education and safety training for those that don't carry or use guns also. As far as cops coming up against these type of weapons it is pretty rare.According to the FBI stats most cops killed by guns are from 9mm .38's and .40's(take note that that is what they carry and in all likelihood they are generally killed with their own weapons),So yes they pose a threat but it is far less than you would think.

[trish]

Yes, kids say the "dambest" things. LOL at a LOSER!

[Quiet Reflections]

And Trish is right most people devalue life and are to quick on the trigger. That is one of the many reasons home owners get sued when they shoot people that come into their homes uninvited. While we do have a right to protect our property and families some people have the idea that you can kill without question in that situation. You would be very surprised how much the criminals intent comes up in those cases. A guy stealing your TV will rob you in court too if you opt to pull the trigger instead of visiting your other options first.

[robertlouis]

Sammi the aliens came and went while the Queen was in Australia. They had one look at London and decided to head off to Skegness...no guns could control them, nor dull their infinite velocity...



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Shit, Stavros, I'm playing at a festival in Skegness in four weeks (and there's a line I never thought I'd type lol). What are the bastards not telling us this time???

[loren]

And Trish is right most people devalue life and are to quick on the trigger. That is one of the many reasons home owners get sued when they shoot people that come into their homes uninvited. While we do have a right to protect our property and families some people have the idea that you can kill without question in that situation. You would be very surprised how much the criminals intent comes up in those cases. A guy stealing your TV will rob you in court too if you opt to pull the trigger instead of visiting your other options first.
In my state, we can shoot intruders on sight. It's called the Castle Doctrine.

[robertlouis]

In my state, we can shoot intruders on sight. It's called the Castle Doctrine.

Utterly fuckin' terrifying

[Bobby Domino]

And Trish is right most people devalue life and are to quick on the trigger. That is one of the many reasons home owners get sued when they shoot people that come into their homes uninvited. While we do have a right to protect our property and families some people have the idea that you can kill without question in that situation. You would be very surprised how much the criminals intent comes up in those cases. A guy stealing your TV will rob you in court too if you opt to pull the trigger instead of visiting your other options first.


shit, throw a knife in his hand and you're all good

That's why there's a big difference between Breaking & Entering vs Burglary charges

[Debra]

Utterly fuckin' terrifying

I bet you can't wait to visit me now, right? Even I own a handgun, just because I think I need to.

[Bobby Domino]

I bet you can't wait to visit me now, right? Even I own a handgun, just because I think I need to.


you're kidding, right?

[Debra]

you're kidding, right?

No I am serious. I own a 9mm and I am very good with it.

[Quiet Reflections]

In my state, we can shoot intruders on sight. It's called the Castle Doctrine.
Depending on your state those laws can fuck you too. Not all castle doctrine states allow for immediate deadly force and the ones that do in most cases require you to prove the intent of the criminal was to do bodily harm to one of the inhabitants of the home and not just the property. All castle doctrine states still require the home owner to measure his response stating that the force being used must be reasonable and proportionate. But I guess if you kill the guy you can say whatever you want.

[robertlouis]

I bet you can't wait to visit me now, right? Even I own a handgun, just because I think I need to.

It's not you, because in context that's an entirely understandable position.

It's the fucked-up culture that willingly accepts and celebrates that carrying deadly weapons around is an entirely correct thing to do.

[Bobby Domino]

No I am serious. I own a 9mm and I am very good with it.

Well as long as you practice, so it's not a big shock to pull the trigger and to hear that load BANG, but most importantly to hit what you're aiming.

It's strange, when I live in the States I don't think about guns, but whenever I live in a country outside of Europe, I always have some one find me one for the house or my car. Very curious.....

[onmyknees]

Yes, kids say the "dambest" things. LOL at a LOSER!



LOL....sticking with substance again I see. I'll take the loser tag and wear it as a badge of honor coming for the single most intolerant, presumptuous person I have ever encountered. Sure you like to tell yourself you're all for diversity...you play that role nicely...until it comes to diversity of opinion. I'm convinced that a projectile shot out of a firearm is less harmful that your bitter scorn and contempt when someone dare hold a different opinion than you. And you'll just get worse as your opinions are viewed as marginal by most. You can't just say you're against firearms, you have to insult everyone that happens to disagree with some childish penis reference. That's your pompous style....you do it on every issue from global warming to tax policy. You think you're the single smartest person in the room, and all we have to do is ask you.....you'll be sure to tell us. How could so many just not see it Trish's way? :dancing:

Lock and Load Trish !!!!!!

[SirCumsAlot]

Fuck a gun! Imma buy me a super soaker, fill that sumbitch up with mercury, and squirt the first dude who tries to break into my house, then watch his ass slowly die on his way to the getaway car

[robertlouis]

LOL....sticking with substance again I see. I'll take the loser tag and wear it as a badge of honor coming for the single most intolerant, presumptuous person I have ever encountered. Sure you like to tell yourself you're all for diversity...you play that role nicely...until it comes to diversity of opinion. I'm convinced that a projectile shot out of a firearm is less harmful that your bitter scorn and contempt when someone dare hold a different opinion than you. And you'll just get worse as your opinions are viewed as marginal by most. You can't just say you're against firearms, you have to insult everyone that happens to disagree with some childish penis reference. That's your pampas style....you do it on every issue from global warming to tax policy. You think you're the single smartest person in the room, and all we have to do is ask you.....you'll be sure to tell us. How could so many just not see it Trish's way? :dancing:

Seriously? Bullets aren't as bad as insults? Isn't that carrying the NRA's doctrine just a little too far?

[trish]

Wow! I seem to have stepped on OMK's tail.

[loren]

Depending on your state those laws can fuck you too. Not all castle doctrine states allow for deadly force and the ones that do in most cases require you to prove the intent of the criminal was to do bodily harm to one of the inhabitants of the home and not just the property. All castle doctrine states still require the home owner to measure his response stating that the force being used must be reasonable and proportionate.
While there is a few limitations to our Castle Doctrine, I have the right to stand my ground. I don't have to retreat to the farthest corner of my house and then anounce that I might shoot. Also, we have a very broad definition of what buildings are included in the doctrine (it includes RVs and tents).

It would be up to the State to prove that the shooting was not justified.

[loren]

It's the fucked-up culture that willingly accepts and celebrates that carrying deadly weapons around is an entirely correct thing to do.
I carry a deadly weapon every day. It's why I got my CCW (concealed carry).:kiss:

[Bobby Domino]

Fuck a gun! Imma buy me a super soaker, fill that sumbitch up with mercury, and squirt the first dude who tries to break into my house, then watch his ass slowly die on his way to the getaway car


:dead-1::dead-1::dead-1:

[Quiet Reflections]

I don't have to retreat to the farthest corner of my house and then anounce that I might shoot
This is why all 50 states should adopt it

[Quiet Reflections]

I carry a deadly weapon every day. It's why I got my CCW (concealed carry).:kiss:
I got mine too and I never leave home without it.

[robertlouis]

I carry a deadly weapon every day. It's why I got my CCW (concealed carry).:kiss:

Yes, it fits in your culture, Loren, but from the perspective of what is essentially a gun-free society, it is as I said, utterly fuckin' terrifying.

I can't relate to yours and I dare say that you can't relate to mine, but I would be seriously scared of living in any country where firearm ownership and their use is so free and easy.

[Quiet Reflections]

I take it you have never been hunting RL?

[trish]

It used to be the case that people who carried guns weren't ashamed carry them out in the open. Now they're all concealed. What's up with that?

[Bobby Domino]

I carry a deadly weapon every day. It's why I got my CCW (concealed carry).:kiss:


I got mine too and I never leave home without it.


Are you guys seriously telling me you carry when going to the grocery store, drive kids (if you have any) to school, during your daily routine???

That's insane!!!!

Unless the five-n-dime is middle of a bear-infested honey patch, why are you carrying a gun in the middle day? Is your C&C weapon a handgun or a hunting rifle (for our readers in the UK)?
I'm not judging or even criticizing, I just want to get a handle on the thought process.

[Quiet Reflections]

It used to be the case that people who carried guns weren't ashamed carry them out in the open. Now they're all concealed. What's up with that?
You can still open carry but you have to get licensed for that depending on where you live. Maryland does not differentiate between concealed and open carry.

[loren]

It used to be the case that people who carried guns weren't ashamed carry them out in the open. Now they're all concealed. What's up with that?
That's a good question. Here's my take on that: It's to keep those people that are not comfortable or unfamiliar with guns from panicing. Personally, I prefer open carry.

Also, back in the "good old days" twelve year olds could be found carrying shotguns.

[Bobby Domino]

You can still open carry but you have to get licensed for that depending on where you live. Maryland does not differentiate between concealed and open carry.

I had no idea MD sold CCW permits. I grew up in that state (DC Metro)

[robertlouis]

I take it you have never been hunting RL?

That is just as tightly controlled over here. Every licensee of a shotgun or rifle used for sporting purposes has to go through rigorous procedures and a formal police interview and the guns must be kept in a specially provided locked cupboard or the licence will be revoked and the weapons confiscated.

And before we get the usual chorus about wimpy Brits, please consider if you would rather have our rate of gun-related homicide or your own.

It's less than 2% btw.

I've been out stalking deer, but only with the intention of getting close to these magnificent creatures in their ideal environment. The idea of killing them is abhorrent.

[SirCumsAlot]

Yes, it fits in your culture, Loren, but from the perspective of what is essentially a gun-free society, it is as I said, utterly fuckin' terrifying.

I can't relate to yours and I dare say that you can't relate to mine, but I would be seriously scared of living in any country where firearm ownership and their use is so free and easy.



lol its not as bad as it seems. Pple outside US always seems to have some false impression about the country. My friend in canada is the same way. Either they think it's too violent, or they think it's luxury place to stay. It's all on where u living. I'm sure in every country, they have there fare share of crimes and criminals. Owning a gun just makes u feel protected from criminals

[Quiet Reflections]

Are you guys seriously telling me you carry when going to the grocery store, drive kids (if you have any) to school, during your daily routine???

That's insane!!!!

Unless the five-n-dime is middle of a bear-infested honey patch, why are you carrying a gun in the middle day? Is your C&C weapon a handgun or a hunting rifle (for our readers in the UK)?
I'm not judging or even criticizing, I just want to get a handle on the thought process.
I'm not a cop so there are some restrictions but it does come to store with me. I only have it with me at my sons school if I'm dropping him of on the way to work, even then I would never take it inside that would be terribly irresponsible.

[trish]

You can still open carry but you have to get licensed for that depending on where you live. Maryland does not differentiate between concealed and open carry.

I'm not so much asking about the legality of but the psychology. Why shouldn't we all just revert to the old west and each of us wear side irons on our hips? If they aren't indecent, why hide them?

[loren]

You can still open carry but you have to get licensed for that depending on where you live. Maryland does not differentiate between concealed and open carry.
In my state open carry is legal, as long as the individual cities don't have an ordinance against it. With the vagueness of that law, (and because I'm too lazy to call every city and town to find out about their ordinances) to be on the safe side, I stick with concealed.

[Quiet Reflections]

That is just as tightly controlled over here. Every licensee of a shotgun or rifle used for sporting purposes has to go through rigorous procedures and a formal police interview and the guns must be kept in a specially provided locked cupboard or the licence will be revoked and the weapons confiscated.

And before we get the usual chorus about wimpy Brits, please consider if you would rather have our rate of gun-related homicide or your own.

It's less than 2% btw.

I've been out stalking deer, but only with the intention of getting close to these magnificent creatures in their ideal environment. The idea of killing them is abhorrent.
I actually know quite a bit about UK gun laws and I was just asking because hunting is fun no other reason. Some people go their entire life without firing a gun and to hunt, kill and eat you own food is a great reason to do it.

[Bobby Domino]

I'm not a cop so there are some restrictions but it does come to store with me. I only have it with me at my sons school if I'm dropping him of on the way to work, even then I would never take it inside that would be terribly irresponsible.

I come from a country where guns are necessary - high volume of car-jackings, home invasions & all-around chaos. We open/close carry to show that we can protect ourselves from any attack. In stark contrast this country is pretty civilized.

Do you live in a rural area? I guess that would make more sense; but what is there to fear, I guess, is my question....

I understand we, as Americans, have the right to arm ourselves without needing a reason, so we are all within our rights to have one. But I'm questioning the necessity.

Can you give me an example where you were fortunate to have a gun on you? Again, I'm not judging....

[robertlouis]

lol its not as bad as it seems. Pple outside US always seems to have some false impression about the country. My friend in canada is the same way. Either they think it's too violent, or they think it's luxury place to stay. It's all on where u living. I'm sure in every country, they have there fare share of crimes and criminals. Owning a gun just makes u feel protected from criminals

According to the NRA there are over 250m guns in private ownership in the US. And when I see in this thread the sort of weaponry that can be bought freely over the counter and then fetishised by posters here it really makes me shake my head.

But I know we'll never agree on this, so no more posts from me.

[Quiet Reflections]

I had no idea MD sold CCW permits. I grew up in that state (DC Metro)
They are hard to get but because of my work I got mine pretty easy.

[Bobby Domino]

According to the NRA there are over 250m guns in private ownership in the US. And when I see in this thread the sort of weaponry that can be bought freely over the counter and then fetishised by posters here it really makes me shake my head.

But I know we'll never agree on this, so no more posts from me.


RL, you can still have questions for others. That's what I'm doing....

Please don't go :praying:

[Bobby Domino]

They are hard to get but because of my work I got mine pretty easy.


are you near Cumberland, MD, if you mind me asking?

[Quiet Reflections]

I come from a country where guns are necessary - high volume of car-jackings, home invasions & all-around chaos. We open/close carry to show that we can protect ourselves from any attack. In stark contrast this country is pretty civilized.

Do you live in a rural area? I guess that would make more sense; but what is there to fear, I guess, is my question....

I understand we, as Americans, have the right to arm ourselves without needing a reason, so we are all within our rights to have one. But I'm questioning the necessity.

Can you give me an example where you were fortunate to have a gun on you? Again, I'm not judging....
I live in a very quiet all white neighborhood with lots of kids and families. 30 minutes from any major city. And yes actually in sept. my neighbors daughter and son in law lost custody of their kids to my neighbor(a 62 yo woman) because they suck at life. Well in the middle of the night while i was outside smoking. I heard her yelling for someone to call the police. I left my fenced in backyard and looked around the corner and saw her getting the shit beat out of her in her own frontyard by her daughter and son in law as they tried to take the kid. I called the cops and ran over there with my hand on my gun and told them to stop because I had called the cops and I have a gun. I didn't pull it out but them knowing I had it probably saved that woman's life and stopped them from leaving till the cops got there.

[fred41]

Glock 26.
...it can wait though.

[Quiet Reflections]

are you near Cumberland, MD, if you mind me asking?
no but it is beautiful up there

[Quiet Reflections]

RL, you can still have questions for others. That's what I'm doing....

Please don't go :praying:
I agree. Its actually refreshing to have a difference of opinion with somebody and not have it break down into a contest of who can type the loudest.

[SirCumsAlot]

According to the NRA there are over 250m guns in private ownership in the US. And when I see in this thread the sort of weaponry that can be bought freely over the counter and then fetishised by posters here it really makes me shake my head.

But I know we'll never agree on this, so no more posts from me.


Heh, some people like guns, some people like knives. Some people just collect guns. Whats really funny is, u need a gun permit license or whatever, to legally own a pistol without the cops and law going homo on u, but its perfectly fine to own a rifle, shotgun, AK-47, even a freaking 50 Cal, with no license at all! I could be wrong, I dont care too much because I already said I'm not a gun dude, but last I heard that was true

[Quiet Reflections]

Heh, some people like guns, some people like knives. Some people just collect guns. Whats really funny is, u need a gun permit license or whatever, to legally own a pistol without the cops and law going homo on u, but its perfectly fine to own a rifle, shotgun, AK-47, even a freaking 50 Cal, with no license at all! I could be wrong, I dont care too much because I already said I'm not a gun dude, but last I heard that was true
You don't need a license to own a handgun either just to carry it outside your home. All firearms do have to be registered and there is a waiting period and background check. You will never see a legal firearm that can't be traced back to it's owner and believe me they know exactly who has the .50 cals.

[Dino Velvet]

No I am serious. I own a 9mm and I am very good with it.

Good for you. I think all the girls here should have the ability to put any of us fellas down if we step over the line. I know some badass chicks here. I thought about starting my own T-Girl Manson Family with some free time I had a couple months ago.

[Dino Velvet]

Glock 26.
...it can wait though.

I've got the 27. Great gun and Galco makes a killer ankle holster for it. Lots of punch with no detection.

[fred41]

I've got the 27. Great gun and Galco makes a killer ankle holster for it. Lots of punch with no detection.

The beauty of the Glock is how low maintenance these weapons (tools) are.

[Dino Velvet]

The beauty of the Glock is how low maintenance these weapons (tools) are.

Yeah. I got chubby fingers and hate that darn take-down switch. Everything else is great. Never jams with good ammo and pretty accurate for a stubby bitch. You'll have that thing up someone's right nostril before they can blink.

[SirCumsAlot]

Like I said, fuck a gun!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUIJycGrZvA

[Dino Velvet]

Like I said, fuck a gun!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUIJycGrZvA

I love that flick and I Am Going To Get You, Sucker. Great double bill. :cheers:

[Bobby Domino]

I agree. Its actually refreshing to have a difference of opinion with somebody and not have it break down into a contest of who can type the loudest.

Sorry, I left for a bit....

I'm glad you were able to intervene and stop the madness in your neighbor's yard. I suppose in a country where guns are legal, to have one evens the score.

Well, maybe we can continue this conversation another time and have some UK dudes chip in if only to get a counter-perspective.

Good night, y'all

[fred41]

Yeah. I got chubby fingers and hate that darn take-down switch. Everything else is great. Never jams with good ammo and pretty accurate for a stubby bitch. You'll have that thing up someone's right nostril before they can blink.

It's not a beautiful weapon...but it doesn't have to be.
Weapons require care and cleaning. Those wonderful Austrian bastards at Glock recognize this,..and the fact that most guys are lazy , dirty lumps of human flesh. I would bet that you can go your whole life without actually cleaning this weapon (tool)...and it would still fire accurately in a crucial moment.

They don't make pretty hand guns...but pretty only looks good on a wall.

(i currently posses a 19)

[SirCumsAlot]

I love that flick and I Am Going To Get You, Sucker. Great double bill. :cheers:

Haha I haven't seen I'm Going To Get You Sucker in years! Was a funny movie though from what I can remember

[Bobby Domino]

I love that flick and I Am Going To Get You, Sucker. Great double bill. :cheers:

Dino, you have to check out Black Dynamite (2009). Fucking hilarious movie

431886

[Dino Velvet]

Dino, you have to check out Black Dynamite (2009). Fucking hilarious movie

431886

I'll check DirecTV. Thanks.

[loren]

You don't need a license to own a handgun either just to carry it outside your home. All firearms do have to be registered and there is a waiting period and background check. You will never see a legal firearm that can't be traced back to it's owner and believe me they know exactly who has the .50 cals.
Black Powder weapons are not registered, because the ATF doen't consider Black Powder to be firearms:shrug.

[Dino Velvet]

Black Powder weapons are not registered, because the ATF doen't consider Black Powder to be firearms:shrug.

Used to be able to pick up Russian SKSs at gun shows all the time and bring them right home. Cheap and fun to modify.

http://www.hk94.com/images/russian_SKS.jpg

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu96/texxasstarr/100_2852.jpg

[BigDF]

Used to be able to pick up Russian SKSs at gun shows all the time and bring them right home. Cheap and fun to modify.

http://www.hk94.com/images/russian_SKS.jpg

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu96/texxasstarr/100_2852.jpgI fired a friend's SKS a couple of times and they are nice little plinkers. The same friend had a lever action carbine in .44 magnum that was also a lot of fun to shoot. He had a charter arms revolver in the same caliber and I only shot it once before handing it back to him and going back to that carbine.

If I could afford to do much more in the hobby, I'd probably try to lay my hands on a lever action carbine chambered for .41 magnum which would go well with my Ruger Bisley SA.:geek:

[Dino Velvet]

I fired a friend's SKS a couple of times and they are nice little plinkers. The same friend had a lever action carbine in .44 magnum that was also a lot of fun to shoot. He had a charter arms revolver in the same caliber and I only shot it once before handing it back to him and going back to that carbine.

If I could afford to do much more in the hobby, I'd probably try to lay my hands on a lever action carbine chambered for .41 magnum which would go well with my Ruger Bisley SA.:geek:

I have a S&W 629 Classic and wouldn't mind getting a lever action Henry Rifle .44 Mag myself.

http://www.kingdomarms.com/store/images/_products/HenryBigBoy44MagRifle.jpg

[dderek123]

Used to be able to pick up Russian SKSs at gun shows all the time and bring them right home. Cheap and fun to modify.

http://www.hk94.com/images/russian_SKS.jpg

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu96/texxasstarr/100_2852.jpg

A Yugoslavian SKS would be my weapon of choice in a zombie apocalypse. That and a snubnose 380. I don't know much about guns though.

[BigDF]

A Yugoslavian SKS would be my weapon of choice in a zombie apocalypse. That and a snubnose 380. I don't know much about guns though.You're not too far off though, except that if you're talking about the snubnose revolver that Dick Tracy used to carry, that's actually a .38 as opposed to the .380 which is usually thought of as an automatic pistol. Both are essentially the same caliber, but the cartridges are different. What's the deal with the zombie killing anyway? How do you kill something that's already dead?:dancing::geek:

[HbgDon]

My buddy and I took a couple of pumpkins to the gun range today and I got it on video.

http://youtu.be/mjbikIDAP0U
This was me shooting my Colt M4 at 100 yards. I have a few misses, but the hits are pretty good.

http://youtu.be/Ztp9OE-aHcg
The aftermath of the M4.

http://youtu.be/PaDn-4E6Y6o
Point blank with the 1911 .45 caliber

http://youtu.be/SNd-K_rnk6Q

http://youtu.be/N5XWuGeJKZg

[dderek123]

You're not too far off though, except that if you're talking about the snubnose revolver that Dick Tracy used to carry, that's actually a .38 as opposed to the .380 which is usually thought of as an automatic pistol. Both are essentially the same caliber, but the cartridges are different. What's the deal with the zombie killing anyway? How do you kill something that's already dead?:dancing::geek:

I think post-apocalyptic scenarios are really neat. I've always been a big fan of zombie movies for that reason.

For the snub nose I was thinking about something more like this one.

http://thatwasjunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Faster-Movie-Film.jpg

Is that a .38? Sorry, I am a Canadian gun noob.

Something small but a lot of stopping power in case you don't get a head shot right away.

Most zombies I would take care of with this.

http://www.hill-interiors.com/images/large/S5730.jpg

This is all just fantasy of course.

[Prospero]

This too frequently resurrected thread is the one that really makes me shudder

[BigDF]

I think post-apocalyptic scenarios are really neat. I've always been a big fan of zombie movies for that reason.

For the snub nose I was thinking about something more like this one.

http://thatwasjunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Faster-Movie-Film.jpg

Is that a .38? Sorry, I am a Canadian gun noob.

Something small but a lot of stopping power in case you don't get a head shot right away.

Most zombies I would take care of with this.

http://www.hill-interiors.com/images/large/S5730.jpg

This is all just fantasy of course.That is a large frame revolver so it is probably some sort of magnum, from .357 on up. .38 is actually .357 inches, the difference between the two is that the .357 magnum has a bigger shell so more powder and higher velocity. The large frame revolver is used so there is more mass for the physical forces to move when the piece is fired. It also helps keep the parts from loosening quite so rapidly when the gun is used a lot. The trouble with any snub nose is that the short barrel limits accurate range and unless you are an expert with the weapon, you'll need to be nearly close enough to your target that it may be more effective to hit him with the gun instead of shooting at him. :geek:

[HbgDon]

I think post-apocalyptic scenarios are really neat. I've always been a big fan of zombie movies for that reason.

For the snub nose I was thinking about something more like this one.

http://thatwasjunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Faster-Movie-Film.jpg

Is that a .38? Sorry, I am a Canadian gun noob.

Something small but a lot of stopping power in case you don't get a head shot right away.

Most zombies I would take care of with this.

http://www.hill-interiors.com/images/large/S5730.jpg

This is all just fantasy of course.

That particular gun is a Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in a .454 Casull round.

[BigDF]

That particular gun is a Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in a .454 Casull round.Dayum, that's one big piece of artillery.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I've been thinkin' about one of these....whatdoya think??

[HbgDon]

I've been thinkin' about one of these....whatdoya think??


Check out Youtube. Some people have made them. Some gunsmiths if they do special requests may make one as well. I've always wanted one. It could be made with a short barrel AR with a master key attachment with a housing over the rifle.

[Dino Velvet]

I've been thinkin' about one of these....whatdoya think??

CORVETTEDUDE, are you allowed to buy anything? I'll trade you some ammo. I got tons and won't run out of ammo any more than I would Vodka. I know my Russian history. If I have bullets I can always take my neighbor's food.

[kittyKaiti]

Finally got around to buying an AR-15. What would you guys say is a good amount of .223 ammo a girl should have stockpiled for impending zombie apocalypse or civil war? :wiggle:

[CORVETTEDUDE]

CORVETTEDUDE, are you allowed to buy anything? I'll trade you some ammo. I got tons and won't run out of ammo any more than I would Vodka. I know my Russian history. If I have bullets I can always take my neighbor's food.


Wel Dino...I think one of these would be outside the realm of possibilities...

[snacks35]

mini 14 with laser scope

[needsum]

"Why do they sell sports cars that can drive to well in excess of 100 MPH when speed limits are at max 75 MPH, but mostly 55 MPH? because people want them, and the assumption is that they will be responsible when they operate them. "

It is surely because you get a better performance from these cars at a lower speed. The quintessence of the argument remains that guns are designed to kill - nothing else, cars, kitchen knives etc have that primary purpose. Yes guns should be controlled. the magic bullet though is how to get all the guns that are out there - especially among the criminal fraternity - back. That's rather like getting the genii back into the bottle. But the sort of hugely aggressive remarks made earlier by some posters here - way beyond the mildness of the arguments I'd been offering - is what worries me. Match that level of aggression with a hot temper and a hand gun and you get dead people instead of black eyes.

Anyway i really am not going to post here any more. I recognise that nothing i say will change the minds of anyone here and nor will you change mine - unless you corner me with a gun.

had to reply just for kicks..... ever drive a 5-speed porche 944? SUCKS in urban populations. I drove one thinking I was gonna be hot shit behind the wheel, until I had to try shifting AND fighting the god-awful manual steering at the same time. No thanks! so no, they don't necessarily perform better at low speeds than "lesser" cars. all they are for is status and show, and racing in certain areas.

And in case you are still reading this thread, I fully understand and respect your argument--guns were designed to kill. No question whatsoever. But to me it doesn't mean they are bad. its all in the person who holds it. Yes, they make it much easier to exact personal rage than a bat, or a knife, or a car, but nonetheless it all comes down to the fact that its the person, and not the object, that is the ultimate cause. I havent' read any of this post since the page with the quote from above, so I hope this reply isn't too far out of context at this point..... lol

[BigDF]

Wel Dino...I think one of these would be outside the realm of possibilities...I think the operating costs of that would exceed all of the Corvettes you would ever own, Dude.:geek:

[needsum]

Finally got around to buying an AR-15. What would you guys say is a good amount of .223 ammo a girl should have stockpiled for impending zombie apocalypse or civil war? :wiggle:

enough is NEVER enough. therefore, buy as much as you can while you can. can't hurt, right? :D

[Dino Velvet]

Finally got around to buying an AR-15. What would you guys say is a good amount of .223 ammo a girl should have stockpiled for impending zombie apocalypse or civil war? :wiggle:

Congrats on your new AR. :cheers:

How are gun shows run in New York State? I don't know how much ammo I have but it's about six feet high. Bunch of .223, 7.62x39mm, 12 Gauge(Buckshot & Slugs), .45 ACP, .44 Mag, .40 S&W, .357 Mag, .38 Special. I'm prepared for Zombie War, Civil War, Holy War, Race War... anything. I'll run out of bullets when I run out of weed. Never.

Ventura County Fairgrounds :pumped:
ATF :thumbsdown

[Edwoodwoodwood]

Congrats on your new AR. :cheers:

How are gun shows run in New York State? I don't know how much ammo I have but it's about six feet high. Bunch of .223, 7.62x39mm, 12 Gauge(Buckshot & Slugs), .45 ACP, .44 Mag, .40 S&W, .357 Mag, .38 Special. I'm prepared for Zombie War, Civil War, Holy War, Race War... anything. I'll run out of bullets when I run out of weed. Never.

Ventura County Fairgrounds :pumped:
ATF :thumbsdown


Dino if I were you mate I would hold onto that stash as the way the world ecconomy is going the scrap value alone of brass & lead is rising you may be sitting on a small fortune. Alternatively you could sell it to our guys in Afghanistan as their budgets and supplies are continually being cut.

[Dino Velvet]

Dino if I were you mate I would hold onto that stash as the way the world ecconomy is going the scrap value alone of brass & lead is rising you may be sitting on a small fortune. Alternatively you could sell it to our guys in Afghanistan as their budgets and supplies are continually being cut.

I bought it all to prepare for war during our last batch of riots in LA. Had Sniper's Nest on the roof of my house next to the beer cooler waiting to see the whites of their eyes. I'll be OK. People come to my house to hide in. If I die many others will before me. Enough of them and I'd be perfectly happy to drag them down into the pit with me to stay forever.

[Edwoodwoodwood]

I bought it all to prepare for war during our last batch of riots in LA. Had Sniper's Nest on the roof of my house next to the beer cooler waiting to see the whites of their eyes. I'll be OK. People come to my house to hide in. If I die many others will before me. Enough of them and I'd be perfectly happy to drag them down into the pit with me to stay forever.

I was planning to look you up Dino next time I'm in LA, I like the sound of that sitting on your high tower next to the beer cooler, sounds like a perfect set up. Have you got a laser site though for getting those zombies in the dark?

I have rattled of quite a good selection of hardware during my trips to Vegas, Florida, Argentina, Alaska, & South Africa. Its a bit of a travelling hobby of mine. In the UK have to settle with 12 gauge shotgun.

[Dino Velvet]

I was planning to look you up Dino next time I'm in LA, I like the sound of that sitting on your high tower next to the beer cooler, sounds like a perfect set up. Have you got a laser site though for getting those zombies in the dark?

I have rattled of quite a good selection of hardware during my trips to Vegas, Florida, Argentina, Alaska, & South Africa. Its a bit of a travelling hobby of mine. In the UK have to settle with 12 gauge shotgun.

My house is on top of the hill, the very top. Tactical advantage all day long fortified with Spanish architecture customized by Russian paranoia, drug addiction, and intense hatred. Watch where you step. Don't trust anything. Nothing is harmless as I can make a deathly weapon out of a crusty turd if I'm high enough. Come take Castle Dracula...

[HbgDon]

Finally got around to buying an AR-15. What would you guys say is a good amount of .223 ammo a girl should have stockpiled for impending zombie apocalypse or civil war? :wiggle:

Nice choice. I love the AR platform. You got to show some pics of your collection.

I usually have at least 1000 rounds on hand at any given time.
Check http://the-armory.com/ and http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php They have some good prices on bulk ammo. Stay away from steel case as it's not as reliable, accurate or clean like brass.

[Quiet Reflections]

enough is NEVER enough. therefore, buy as much as you can while you can. can't hurt, right? :D
1000 rounds per gun minimum but when Z-day comes you will want to be mobile so a nice backpack/rucksack and a few C-mags will be a must.Remember this is America you will be able to find ammo on the dead bodies and in home searches.

[Caff_Racer]

As long as I can use it to blow my head off my shoulders I don't care what gun I'd buy.

[dderek123]

That particular gun is a Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan in a .454 Casull round.

Cheers. Maybe it's a bit overkill for what I'm looking for.

In the novel World War Z they just had a small caliber pistol-rifle thing.

Perhaps this would be more appropriate for slow moving zombies.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/gallery/108/2020Ruger_10_22Charger.jpg

That and the SKS and the ability to outrun the slow moving zombies would have me covered pretty much. Dealing with the survivors of a post-apocalyptic world would be one of the hardest parts IMHO.

[kittyKaiti]

Smith & Wesson M&P15 AR-15 .223 caliber NYS Legal
*Semi-Automatic
*10 Rounds per Magazine Limit
*.223 cal (5.56 x 45 NATO)
*Mock Telescoping Stock (as per NYS law)
*16 inch barrel (flash hiders N/A (as per NYS law)
*Holographic Reflex Sight EOTech

Mossberg 535 Tactical 12 Gauge Shotgun
*Pump-Action
*Chambered 2 3/4 - 3 1/2 inch 12 Gauge ammo (2 3/4" - 3" 5+1 capacity), (3 1/2" 4+1 capacity)
*Fully Telescoping Stock
*18 inch barrel
*Ammunition featured in photo: 3 1/2" 00B buckshot

[needsum]

wow Kaiti, nice stuff. I'd love to come to florida and shoot guns with you. in fact. looking at yoru avatar, I have a particular bullseye in mind..... :dancing:

[kittyKaiti]

wow Kaiti, nice stuff. I'd love to come to florida and shoot guns with you. in fact. looking at yoru avatar, I have a particular bullseye in mind..... :dancing:

Actually I'm in NY lol

[needsum]

really?...... even better! I think I could very easily smugge my gun across state lines then....... :D

[HbgDon]

Actually I'm in NY lol


If you ever get to the Harrisburg, PA area let me know. I'll take you to my gun range and shoot. I love going to shoot especially now that I have taken pumpkins.

[Dino Velvet]

Smith & Wesson M&P15 AR-15 .223 caliber NYS Legal
*Semi-Automatic
*10 Rounds per Magazine Limit
*.223 cal (5.56 x 45 NATO)
*Mock Telescoping Stock (as per NYS law)
*16 inch barrel (flash hiders N/A (as per NYS law)
*Holographic Reflex Sight EOTech

Mossberg 535 Tactical 12 Gauge Shotgun
*Pump-Action
*Chambered 2 3/4 - 3 1/2 inch 12 Gauge ammo (2 3/4" - 3" 5+1 capacity), (3 1/2" 4+1 capacity)
*Fully Telescoping Stock
*18 inch barrel
*Ammunition featured in photo: 3 1/2" 00B buckshot

Nice stuff. Always like it when the girls are armed to the teeth when a fella decides to be a smart ass. Good for you, Kitty. :cheers:

[kittyKaiti]

Nice stuff. Always like it when the girls are armed to the teeth when a fella decides to be a smart ass. Good for you, Kitty. :cheers:

I love the new AR. I had to modify a few parts with it by taking pieces off my airsoft gun and putting it on the AR. Those rail mounts, flashlight, front grip and the removable AR-15 handle all came off my airsoft M4A1. I wanna get an AR style front sight for it (couldn't remove it off the airsoft gun) and several more mags and maybe stock up a couple thousand rounds of ammo for it.

[Dino Velvet]

I love the new AR. I had to modify a few parts with it by taking pieces off my airsoft gun and putting it on the AR. Those rail mounts, flashlight, front grip and the removable AR-15 handle all came off my airsoft M4A1. I wanna get an AR style front sight for it (couldn't remove it off the airsoft gun) and several more mags and maybe stock up a couple thousand rounds of ammo for it.

Sounds like you could almost claim to be a gunsmith. You find out about NY State laws in regard to buying ammo at gun shows? That's where you buy in bulk. I've purchased thousands and thousands of rounds all off the books.

[HbgDon]

It's amazing how interchangeable the toy air soft accessories are for a real rifle.

[tsadriana]

soon on the market tranys gun 38 ....so guys ur mouth open and let me shoot in ur throat..the best gun ever...hahahahah

[Falrune]

Mostof my guns are now equipped with a TBO. You never know when you might be in Mar Vista, where they do not yet have screw caps.

[kittyKaiti]

Mostof my guns are now equipped with a TBO. You never know when you might be in Mar Vista, where they do not yet have screw caps.

That's awesome. I'll get one so I can drink Yoohoo and Coca Cola in the glass bottles.

[HbgDon]

Mostof my guns are now equipped with a TBO. You never know when you might be in Mar Vista, where they do not yet have screw caps.

That is so redneck. I got to get me one for my AR15.

[Dino Velvet]

That is so redneck. I got to get me one for my AR15.

Like to make the butt of the stock into a flask too. The muzzle on mine can already be used as a bong.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I think the operating costs of that would exceed all of the Corvettes you would ever own, Dude.:geek:


And...You know that!!! LOL:dancing:

[Ineeda SM]

....HEY DINO! I am ready to shoot me some turkeys. How about you?

[Dino Velvet]

....HEY DINO! I am ready to shoot me some turkeys. How about you?

There won't be many members left if we do.

[Ineeda SM]

There won't be many members left if we do.

LMAO! Good to know we are always on the same page.

[Dino Velvet]

LMAO! Good to know we are always on the same page.

Exactly. I'm no vegetarian either. :cheers:

[Ineeda SM]

Exactly. I'm no vegetarian either. :cheers:

You got it. I am heading up to Connecticut next week to get me some holiday meat. I am also going to have some real turkey. It's being cooked by the prettiest girl in CT.

[Dino Velvet]

You got it. I am heading up to Connecticut next week to get me some holiday meat. I am also going to have some real turkey. It's being cooked by the prettiest girl in CT.

Don't forget the custard after stuffing the turkey.

[Ineeda SM]

Don't forget the custard after stuffing the turkey.

That's my dessert. I'll give her your best after I give her my best. See what a friend I am? I am doing your job and mine. LOL

[Dino Velvet]

That's my dessert. I'll give her your best after I give her my best. See what a friend I am? I am doing your job and mine. LOL

Maybe I'll pull an Eric Holder. While Stedman is pinching off a loaf the Attorney General sneaks into the bed tricking her into believing it's you then really lay the law down.:fuckin:

Not sure which one is the fucker trying to keep me from scoring herb.

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/eric-holder-stedman-graham-e1273328386193.jpg


Here's an old picture of one of them.

http://www.popmatters.com/images/film_art/b/barneymiller-s3-splsh.jpg

[HbgDon]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/2ndAmendment.jpg

I'm thinking of picking up a Cobray M11/9 to add to the collection.

[buttslinger]

Compared to MOM, who grew up with a gun in every room, I'm the sissyboy with a very practical Colt .38 Detective Special revolver. I've never fired it. I also have a nice collapsable police baton.

When I was a kid, we blew up everything, my friend had shot himself twice before he was twelve. I remember we made alot of mortars.

Last time I went out shooting I had a .22 and my buddy had a 9mm. When he told me how much he spent on ammo- my jaw dropped.

I'd like a nice shotgun.

[HbgDon]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1087.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1086.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1085.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1084.jpg

Latest build. I just finished it about an hour ago. I can't wait to get it out and see how she handles.

[neutral sex]

nothing more nothing less than "vepr 12 molot" ................

[Dino Velvet]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1087.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1086.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1085.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1084.jpg

Latest build. I just finished it about an hour ago. I can't wait to get it out and see how she handles.

Nice set-up especially the badass stock.

[buttslinger]

I have a .38 Colt "detective special" revolver (no jams) and I'd like to complete my home protection package with a nice shotgun, maybe even from Walmart. Why is Vin Diesel under House Investigation?

[onmyknees]

I have a .38 Colt "detective special" revolver (no jams) and I'd like to complete my home protection package with a nice shotgun, maybe even from Walmart. Why is Vin Diesel under House Investigation?

Colt Pistols ? Shotguns ? Wal-Mart ? The 2nd Amendment? Attn Mods...Someone has stolen Buttslinger's ID

[buttslinger]

Colt Pistols ? Shotguns ? Wal-Mart ? The 2nd Amendment? Attn Mods...Someone has stolen Buttslinger's ID

Maybe I'll school you on Religion someday. AND Motorcycles. Sissy!

[trish]

I have a Remington 30-06 which belonged to my great grandfather and with which I shot my first deer (six points) when I was sixteen. I also have a single shot bolt action 22 caliber Browning that was my grandfather's. And I own a single shot 12 gauge Winchester for small game when I hunted with my Dad. Never felt the need to own anything more. Don't use them much anymore, they're more or less keepsakes. I keep them at my mother's house in Pennsylvania. Don't fear though. I'm perfectly safe without a gun. Though because some insecure fraidy-cats like to walk around with their firearms concealed on their persons whenever they go out, the risk to the general populace of getting shot and killed has gone up somewhat.

[onmyknees]

Maybe I'll school you on Religion someday. AND Motorcycles. Sissy!


i can't think of anything more preposterous than the prospect of you schooling me on anything manly......other than perhaps super soakers, or video games. Fail

[Quinn]

The wife and I currently own the following:

1) CZ 2075 Rami

http://www.twinpines.com.ph/CZ/CZ2075.jpg

2) CZ P01

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/13658.jpg

3) CA 75 B Matte Stainless

http://czcustom.com/images/products/detail/CZ75B_Stainless.1.png

The next purchase:

1) CZ 750

http://weaponsystems.net/image.php/CZ%20750.jpg?&size=overview&cropratio=665:300&image=/img/ws/fa_sr_cz750_o1.jpg

[runningdownthatdream]

I have a Remington 30-06 which belonged to my great grandfather and with which I shot my first deer (six points) when I was sixteen. I also have a single shot bolt action 22 caliber Browning that was my grandfather's. And I own a single shot 12 gauge Winchester for small game when I hunted with my Dad. Never felt the need to own anything more. Don't use them much anymore, they're more or less keepsakes. I keep them at my mother's house in Pennsylvania. Don't fear though. I'm perfectly safe without a gun. Though because some insecure fraidy-cats like to walk around with their firearms concealed on their persons whenever they go out, the risk to the general populace of getting shot and killed has gone up somewhat.

I'm in shock and disbelief that you're a gun owner! But somewhat relieved that they're at least practical ;)

[buttslinger]

i can't think of anything more preposterous than the prospect of you schooling me on anything manly

Is Sean Hannity more of a man than me?

[onmyknees]

Is Sean Hannity more of a man than me?

Pee Wee Herman is more of a man than you.

[buttslinger]

I went to college with Pee Wee. And Howard Stern.

[GrimFusion]

http://animationaficionados.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/zapper.jpg

Kinda half-seriously, though... I want to make my own rail gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWHMIz-wTa4

Homemade versions aren't nearly as powerful, but the garage rail guns are still capable of shooting projectiles more than three times the speed of a bullet.

[buttslinger]

I'd like to make a spud gun.

[Dino Velvet]

I have a Remington 30-06 which belonged to my great grandfather and with which I shot my first deer (six points) when I was sixteen.

I can't bring myself to shoot a deer. All respect to hunters. I've eaten deer too.

Good shootin', Trish.:cheers:

[trish]

Out here in the midwest deer have become a nuisance. They're a major road hazard and agricultural pest. Nevertheless, I still get excited when I see one walking across my back yard and stopping to steal some apples from my tree. They're an incredible animal. And yummy too.

[irvin66]

The wife and I currently own the following:

1) CZ 2075 Rami

http://www.twinpines.com.ph/CZ/CZ2075.jpg

2) CZ P01

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/13658.jpg

3) CA 75 B Matte Stainless

http://czcustom.com/images/products/detail/CZ75B_Stainless.1.png

The next purchase:

1) CZ 750

http://weaponsystems.net/image.php/CZ%20750.jpg?&size=overview&cropratio=665:300&image=/img/ws/fa_sr_cz750_o1.jpg

Wow! Nice guns! I have a CZ SP-01 SHADOW. I am very happy with it.
The next shooter I've thought about buying is an S&W .44 magnum or a .45 ACP pistol. Have not decided yet.

[Prospero]

Last time I ventured into this thread all you likeable guys rounded on me for daring to suggest that possession of guns causes unnecessary deaths. So I won't say anything except that continues to appall me to see tthe people of such a great nation so obsessed with weaponry.

["American Skin (41 Shots)" Live in Tampa, FL 03/23/12 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghqjBwZTiE&feature=related)

[LibertyHarkness]

this is the next rifle i will be getting next week ... i dont buy real guns but 1/1 bb airsoft guns then paint them up to use for porn shoots ..

:)


The FAMAS

[irvin66]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1087.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1086.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1085.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Kable24/HPIM1084.jpg

Latest build. I just finished it about an hour ago. I can't wait to get it out and see how she handles.

NICE!!:dancing: What kind of scope do you have on it? The only rifle I have in .223/5.56 is a Ruger Mini 14.

[Quinn]

Wow! Nice guns! I have a CZ SP-01 SHADOW. I am very happy with it.
The next shooter I've thought about buying is an S&W .44 magnum or a .45 ACP pistol. Have not decided yet.


Thanks. A buddy of mine has the Shadow, and it's a superb firearm. Very durable and well balanced.

-Quinn

[Dino Velvet]

Out here in the midwest deer have become a nuisance. They're a major road hazard and agricultural pest. Nevertheless, I still get excited when I see one walking across my back yard and stopping to steal some apples from my tree. They're an incredible animal. And yummy too.

More power to 'ya, Trish. I was able to eat some very good venison sausage when I lived in Texas.

Deer to you sound like coyotes(4-legged ones) to me. A nuisance. We don't have coyotes in my neighborhood but do have raccoons which I've been able to half tame so there's no violence between the different animals on my property.

[Dino Velvet]

NICE!!:dancing: What kind of scope do you have on it? The only rifle I have in .223/5.56 is a Ruger Mini 14.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=479090&stc=1&d=1340288428

I had a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, loved it, and recommend it to anyone wanting a quality .223 at a great price. Ruger is always a bargain. I sold mine to have money towards my AR.

[Quinn]

Last time I ventured into this thread all you likeable guys rounded on me for daring to suggest that possession of guns causes unnecessary deaths. So I won't say anything except that continues to appall me to see tthe people of such a great nation so obsessed with weaponry.

["American Skin (41 Shots)" Live in Tampa, FL 03/23/12 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nghqjBwZTiE&feature=related)


I'm not going to attack you for your position. It's as contentious an issue as you'll find in American politics. No matter what your position, it's possible to find an excess of studies -- not to mention plenty of anecdotal evidence -- to support your argument. As with so many things, in the end, it boils down to personal choice.

The reasoning behind my position is simple. With or without firearms, ours is a fairly violent society and will likely become more so as economic inequality increases due to ruinous fiscal policies, etc. Once one accepts this truth, they have a choice: positive sovereignty vs. negative sovereignty. For my part, I chose not to rely upon the forbearance of other to ensure the continued safety of my friends and family, not to mention myself.

-Quinn

-Quinn

[Dino Velvet]

For my part, I chose not to rely upon the forbearance of other to ensure the continued safety of my friends and family, not to mention myself.

Me too. I like and respect my local PD and Sheriff's Dept but I like to be self-reliant in that area never having to be totally dependent on them for my safety.

[Jericho]

For my part, I chose not to rely upon the forbearance of other to ensure the continued safety of my friends and family, not to mention myself.

^^^This^^^
Sadly (unless you break the law, which i would never do), a choice that's been taken away from us over here.

[Quiet Reflections]

I getting some water guns for a pool party this weekend.

[trish]

The sad thing is that the decision to carry puts the rest of us at risk. Do you actually feel safer in a tavern or at a park with your family knowing everyone is armed. The risk of being robbed might (and that's a big "might") be lower, but the risk of being accidentally shot increases with the number of people carrying. And why concealed? If you're going to carry, own up to it and carry open, so people know where the damn thing is pointing and can avoid the line of the barrel. (If a pistol isn't holster; i.e. it's in a pants pocket or a purse it may be aimed anywhere. My father taught me never let the barrel pass across the body of a person even if there's nothing in the chamber, the safety's on, the guns empty whatever).

[trish]

I getting some water guns for a pool party this weekend.Cool :)

[Dino Velvet]

The sad thing is that the decision to carry puts the rest of us at risk. Do you actually feel safer in a tavern or at a park with your family knowing everyone is armed. The risk of being robbed might (and that's a big "might") be lower, but the risk of being accidentally shot increases with the number of people carrying. And why concealed? If you're going to carry, own up to it and carry open, so people know where the damn thing is pointing and can avoid the line of the barrel. (If a pistol isn't holster; i.e. it's in a pants pocket or a purse it may be aimed anywhere. My father taught me never let the barrel pass across the body of a person even if there's nothing in the chamber, the safety's on, the guns empty whatever).

Your father taught you well. Safety always first. How old were you when you began to learn to shoot? My first gun was a .22 rifle that I learned safety and fundamentals with. My police officer father was my instructor and I started at 12 years old.

[trish]

I was about ten when Dad and I shot cans in the back with a BB gun. About twelve when we shot bottle lids with the 22 at the abandoned reservoir just outside of town. I got pretty good. I was probably around fourteen when we hunted for squirrels and groundhogs. Got the shotgun for pheasants. Like I said the 30 ought six was for deer. That was in Pennsylvania. Out here in the Midwest it's to flat (unsafe) to hunt deer with a rifle, hunters here use slugs and a shotgun.

[Dino Velvet]

I was about ten when Dad and I shot cans in the back with a BB gun. About twelve when we shot bottle lids with the 22 at the abandoned reservoir just outside of town. I got pretty good. I was probably around fourteen when we hunted for squirrels and groundhogs. Got the shotgun for pheasants. Like I said the 30 ought six was for deer. That was in Pennsylvania. Out here in the Midwest it's to flat (unsafe) to hunt deer with a rifle, hunters here use slugs and a shotgun.

Trish, we've discussed firearms before. Let me say that I am glad that you know how to use one if you had too. This gives me comfort. I worry about all you girls. Possibly too much but that's my nature.

[trish]

I remember taking a safety course at a rifle range Dad belonged to. There was a slide with a picture of a bottle and a barrel separated by a plus sign. The whole picture had a big X crossed over it and the caption read "Never mix alcohol and gunpowder." I was too young to under the message and asked what happens if you mix them.

[Dino Velvet]

I remember taking a safety course at a rifle range Dad belonged to. There was a slide with a picture of a bottle and a barrel separated by a plus sign. The whole picture had a big X crossed over it and the caption read "Never mix alcohol and gunpowder." I was too young to under the message and asked what happens if you mix them.

That's good policy that I need to be more consistent with myself. Bullets and Whiskey should not go together like Peanut Butter & Jelly.

[Quinn]

The sad thing is that the decision to carry puts the rest of us at risk. Do you actually feel safer in a tavern or at a park with your family knowing everyone is armed. The risk of being robbed might (and that's a big "might") be lower, but the risk of being accidentally shot increases with the number of people carrying. And why concealed? If you're going to carry, own up to it and carry open, so people know where the damn thing is pointing and can avoid the line of the barrel. (If a pistol isn't holster; i.e. it's in a pants pocket or a purse it may be aimed anywhere. My father taught me never let the barrel pass across the body of a person even if there's nothing in the chamber, the safety's on, the guns empty whatever).


I'm not aware of a state that allows civilians to carry in establishments serving alcohol. (I'm not saying there isn't one, just that I'm not aware of such a place.) To answer that question, no, I don't think people should be carrying in a tavern or the like. Fortunately, here in Georgia they are not allowed to due so.

As for carrying in a park or other public place, the answer is an unequivocal "yes." One of the things I do for charity is run a lounge, bar, and dance hall -- the profits of which go to support the charitable efforts of a not-for-profit fraternal order. The property is located on the border between one of Atlanta's most exclusive neighborhoods and one that is run down. For decades it was robbed with surprising regularity. That has changed now that it's known many of my people carry (and, no, not in the bar). This, in turn, has brought back a lot of business to help revive a once failing enterprise.

Violent crime is based upon predation. Criminal elements target those they deem less likely or able to defend themselves and/or their possessions. By that logic, if I am in a room with ten other people and not one of us is carrying, what occurs at any given moment is dependent upon elements of physicality that don't favor women, children, the old, infirm, or even weaker males. Firearms level the playing field and help to ensure safety for the aforementioned should I discontinue adhering to the social contract that protects them.

Most of my local friends, business associates, neighbors, etc., possess firearms and have a license to carry. Knowing how seriously they take the responsibility that goes with that privilage, I do feel safer. The majority have taken classes to ensure proper handling of their weapons and practice at the range regularly.

On a final note, your father was right. All of the concealed carry holsters in my house -- an ankle holster, an in-the-waistband holster, and my wife's carrying purse -- have the firearm pointing at the ground. Allowing the barrel to face an individual whom you do not intend to shoot is considered a serious breach of etiquette.

-Quinn

[trish]

Nicely argued. You make that case that in some locations legal carry may have a positive economic effect as well as deterring robberies. Though you have not argued the open carry wouldn’t have the same effect. Nor have you allayed my concerns with safety, education notwithstanding.

I am perfectly fine with that fact that your community has found carry to be an effective solution to a perplexing social problem (though I probably wouldn’t agree that it is the only solution or the best solution) ALEC and the NRA, however, are not content to let local communities, towns, cities or states to work out their own solutions to these thorny problems. They would ban every municipality and every state from outlawing concealed carry in public spaces. I think it strange that we can ban beer and wine from parks but not firearms.

Not every community is plagued with crime. There are so few serious crimes in my county that everyone can remember the circumstances of each one. We have had four murders in the last decade. One was a cuckold who brought his gun to work and shot his wife and her lover. One was a woman who drowned her newborn child and in the other the murder weapon was a car. In that same decade two children accidentally killed themselves with their father’s handgun and woman accidentally killed her sister showing her how it works. She took the gun safety course. Those are the events that people remember. I can also tell you that every year during hunting season, you can count on somebody getting creased, shot or peppered and you can also count on someone shooting a cow or a pig and into the picture window of a distance farm house they’re sure wasn’t in the line of fire or was out of range.

I don’t want to ban hunting and sport shooting. But in a town with four murders every ten years, we clearly don’t concealed carry. Arming this populace serves no purpose. There is no crime to suppress. There are no lives and pocketbooks kept safe from thieves that would counterbalance the lives lost and the injuries that would inevitably result if more people toted guns. Why won’t ALEC and the NRA let our town ban concealed carry?

They will argue it’s a second amendment issue. Yet a ban on concealed carry is not a ban on firearms nor even a ban on carry.

They will argue that if crime is not a problem in a community then people can individually decide for themselves not to exercise the ALEC given right to carry. True, they can; but they won’t. There’s a certain kind of guy who will jump at the chance to carry his favorite toy with him wherever he goes if he can be spared the embarrassment of carrying it out in the open. (I’m certainly not suggesting you carry for that reason) Gun related accidents in a community will always rise with the number guns being carried.

Clearly gun safety education is significantly suppresses the rate of gun related deaths and injuries, nevertheless the accident rate will never be an monotone decreasing function of the number of firearms carried.

Thanks, Quinn for your thoughtful response. From day one I always number you among my friends here in these forums.

[StlyeMeCunty]

NO GUNS!!! They scare me...:nervous::nervous::nervous:

[Token Williams-Black]

These two right here...

Parliament - Bop Gun {Endangered Species} - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkBHwY5xVCc)

RICK JAMES-LOVE GUN - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U42r3bqiaiM)

[Prospero]

NO GUNS!!! They scare me...:nervous::nervous::nervous:

Bravo.
I agree - and you're brave to post that in this thread amid the gunslingers (the few reasonable arguments for gun ownership aside). Too many people here fetishize the ownership of their guns as if they are penis substitutes or extensions and fall back on the constitution as a way of shitting down discussion.

[Quiet Reflections]

Bravo.
I agree - and you're brave to post that in this thread amid the gunslingers (the few reasonable arguments for gun ownership aside). Too many people here fetishize the ownership of their guns as if they are penis substitutes or extensions and fall back on the constitution as a way of shitting down discussion.
Are you suggesting our penises are only 9mm's

[Prospero]

A Freudian slip by me in my last post - shitting down discussion!!!

[Dino Velvet]

Bravo.
I agree - and you're brave to post that in this thread amid the gunslingers

Now, now, Prospero. Most, myself included, of us gun owners have no issue with pacifists. Stlye is a sweet girl.

[irvin66]

Now, now, Prospero. Most, myself included, of us gun owners have no issue with pacifists. Stlye is a sweet girl.

:iagree: yep!

[Quinn]

Thanks, Quinn for your thoughtful response. From day one I always number you among my friends here in these forums.


Likewise on the friendship front. Even when I disagree with an argument you put forth, which is infrequent, I enjoy the edifying discourse that follows. A deeply reflective, contemplative nature is always appreciated.


My schedule is burtal today, so I have to be brief and less thorough than I would prefer. We agree that gun safety does suppress the rate of gun related deaths and injuries. Understanding things like how a firearm has to be suited to your body type for proper handling (much like a motorcycle) and how different types of ammunition interact with flesh and inanimate matter (overpenetration leading to an unintended targets being struck, etc.) are key. Nevertheless, you are right that more firearms will inevitably equate to more firearm related accidents, just like more motorcycles will inevitably lead to more motorcycle related deaths. The same goes for cars, planes, etc. It's a cliched response, I know, but it does beg the question "Just where do we draw the line on protecting the public from itself?"


So far as concealed vs. open carry is concerned, I'm not personally opposed to open carry. However, I do believe making it a legal requirement would be of primary benefit to violent criminal elements as it would allow them to identify with greater certainty those capable of resisting their efforts from those who cannot. Concealed carry removes that certainty, making any criminal action riskier and therefore less likely. To cite one piece of anecdotal evidence, I've seen far fewer road-rage incidents here in Atlanta than when I lived in NYC. Why? You never know who is carrying here. In NYC, it's a safe bet that the other guy is not.


As you've illustrated by citing your county's history, there is no one size fits all answer. There are numerous socioeconomic and cultural factors that make a workable solution in one region of the country injurious to another. Here in Atlanta, most of the police officers I know actually favor concealed carry (the same cannot be said of many other cities). Why? The APD is undermanned, underequipped, and just plain underfunded thanks to a city government that treats them in a manner nothing short of embarrassing. The people licensed to carry aren't the ones they need to worry about, and they know it. Places like the club I mentioned above are sites they don't generally have to apply their limited resources to, and they appreciate it.

-Quinn

[Prospero]

I'd like to leave one final remark here. My concern about the private ownership of guns does not make me a pacifist. I do not oppose war when it is the final resort and in defence against such evils as Nazism.

[Dino Velvet]

I'd like to leave one final remark here. My concern about the private ownership of guns does not make me a pacifist. I do not oppose war when it is the final resort and in defence against such evils as Nazism.

Stlye is the pacifist here. She is the one who fears the object in question. Most here would also stand up against what we feel is evil so we might not be that far apart. If you take on a NAZI make sure you are equipped to take apart that NAZI.

[HbgDon]

I have no problems with a person not liking guns or fearing guns. My guns are not an extension of my dick. I enjoy building my rifles and taking them to the range and shooting target. I'm not some crazy right wing clinging to my guns and bible. I'm not some prepper although, I love talking the ZA.
I have my CCW. I have my CCW because on the occasion I do carry, I don't want people to freak out because they see a gun. People tend to get tense when someone open carries, so I opted for my conceal carry. Plus, if I get pulled over for a traffic violation and I have a "loaded" gun in my truck, I don't get in trouble. I never carry any of my guns with one in the chamber. I follow a strict protocol of safety with my guns.
I do get frustrated with people who are against civies owning guns. It's my hobby and one of my passions.
I don't hunt and can't bring myself to kill an animal. I do it because I love to shoot target. It's fun to go to my local gun range on a nice day and sit at the bench and enjoy the fresh air and shoot. It's relaxing, fun and I feel good about myself that I built my own rifle.

Plus, shooting guns has brought my father and me closer together.

[broncofan]

Stlye is the pacifist here. She is the one who fears the object in question. Most here would also stand up against what we feel is evil so we might not be that far apart. If you take on a NAZI make sure you are equipped to take apart that NAZI.
The irony of you talking about killing Nazis. The Nazis do not get stopped by individuals owning guns. I'm not saying it's not something that could be useful (or harmful) in terms of personal protection, but you don't take down a military machine because you own a revolver or even a machine gun. In fact, a family member might end up taking his face off with it.

[Merkurie]

The irony of you talking about killing Nazis. The Nazis do not get stopped by individuals owning guns. I'm not saying it's not something that could be useful (or harmful) in terms of personal protection, but you don't take down a military machine because you own a revolver or even a machine gun. In fact, a family member might end up taking his face off with it.

That is not true.
Partisans and Militias -- armed civilian resistance fighters, have stood up to occupiers and invaders from the Nazis to the British Empire and others.

Better to die fighting than walk into a camp to starve to death -- or worse.

[broncofan]

That is not true.
Partisans and Militias -- armed civilian resistance fighters, have stood up to occupiers and invaders from the Nazis to the British Empire and others.

Better to die fighting than walk into a camp to starve to death -- or worse.
That's great if you don't have a family, but those who did have sisters and parents to protect living in the Warsaw ghetto were going to get them killed by making futile attempts to pick off Nazis. This was at a time when they weren't certain what their fate was going to be. There is always the hypothetical situation where you can save your own life by becoming a guerilla fighter, but if you are living a domestic existence with your family in Germany and the Gestapo came for you, you seal your fate by trying to shoot soldiers. People did not know they were facing a certain death by not fighting.

Again, we're talking about fighting your own government's military if they come for you. I agree that a gun may be a very useful weapon if your country is being overrun by an invading force, but the paramilitary fantasy that you could ever destroy the U.S military by holeing yourself up in a cabin with artillery is just that, a fantasy. You have very little chance and you have to weigh that against the sort of oppression you face if you don't fight. But of course some people might think it's exceptionally brave to start shooting a pistol at a bunch of gestapo agents with your wife and kids in the other room. I don't mean this as a vitriolic argument, but I just don't see the logic of it.

[broncofan]

I just want to reiterate that I'm not trying to attack anyone's way of life if they're gun owners. I can understand it generally. It just depends on what expectation you have of being attacked. Or maybe all of your family members are extremely careful with guns and have training. Maybe you really don't trust your government or you really think somebody is going to break into your house and take what's yours. For me personally, I don't feel safer if I'm strapping a gun just because the next guy is. I don't feel like the U.S government is going to send a swat team to my house or that I could do anything about it if they did. Most of the situations where you are confronted with somebody with a gun, you have a greater chance of survival by not brandishing one of your own.

Perhaps, there will be that one situation where you face a certain death and your only way out is to have that gun you've been carrying around for decades and haven't used. I'd just as soon own a life insurance policy.

[txsam]

well, I think some of us have digressed into the political... SO, to get back on track... I just got (yesterday) another of my favorites: the H&K USP .45cal

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRe3FlHJvLJuF47TXar9-KvH9_2RRs5JmmGbVWK_HX1fCRzZx50

BTW, I did get it for work

[broncofan]

well, I think some of us have digressed into the political... SO, to get back on track... I just got (yesterday) another of my favorites: the H&K USP .45cal

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRe3FlHJvLJuF47TXar9-KvH9_2RRs5JmmGbVWK_HX1fCRzZx50

Fine, I won't interrupt anymore but for those who are discussing the pros and cons of gun ownership, it's not really a digression.

[Merkurie]

That's great if you don't have a family, but those who did have sisters and parents to protect living in the Warsaw ghetto were going to get them killed by making futile attempts to pick off Nazis. This was at a time when they weren't certain what their fate was going to be. There is always the hypothetical situation where you can save your own life by becoming a guerilla fighter, but if you are living a domestic existence with your family in Germany and the Gestapo came for you, you seal your fate by trying to shoot soldiers. People did not know they were facing a certain death by not fighting.

Again, we're talking about fighting your own government's military if they come for you. I agree that a gun may be a very useful weapon if your country is being overrun by an invading force, but the paramilitary fantasy that you could ever destroy the U.S military by holeing yourself up in a cabin with artillery is just that, a fantasy. You have very little chance and you have to weigh that against the sort of oppression you face if you don't fight. But of course some people might think it's exceptionally brave to start shooting a pistol at a bunch of gestapo agents with your wife and kids in the other room. I don't mean this as a vitriolic argument, but I just don't see the logic of it.

Lets just say I disagree with your point of view entirely.

The right to bear arms has been passed down for over 200 years. Times have changed since the 1700s and they will continue to change. This country has a long history of organized and unorganized violence directed against groups and individuals where law enforcement was no where to be found.

So with that in mind, I would rather preserve the legal right to armed self protection for future generations to make the choice for themselves.

[HbgDon]

well, I think some of us have digressed into the political... SO, to get back on track... I just got (yesterday) another of my favorites: the H&K USP .45cal

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRe3FlHJvLJuF47TXar9-KvH9_2RRs5JmmGbVWK_HX1fCRzZx50

BTW, I did get it for work

That's a nice sidearm.

[txsam]

yep only the best:) That's why I buy German cars, tools, etc. (their sex can be brow-raisingly overwhelming lol

[Quinn]

well, I think some of us have digressed into the political... SO, to get back on track... I just got (yesterday) another of my favorites: the H&K USP .45cal

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRe3FlHJvLJuF47TXar9-KvH9_2RRs5JmmGbVWK_HX1fCRzZx50

BTW, I did get it for work


A tank of a firearm that will continue to function through any event short of a tank driving over it. Definitely one of the better firearms you can own.

-Quinn

[broncofan]

I just purchased a new toy as well.

[broncofan]

This is the one I'm going for next. I only buy my rocket launchers from Islamic Jihad, as well as other tools.

[Tyler___Durden]

I hear Beretta's are good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIIJcZVVRRI&feature=g-upl

[irvin66]

Beretta is one of the world's oldest firearms manufacturers! :geek:
but I do not like the Beretta much. I want a Garand M1, but they are bloody hard to get here in Norway. :(

I would also like to have an RPG-7....:banana:

[irvin66]

I just purchased a new toy as well.

يوم سعيد. الله يكون معك
Good for you!

[broncofan]

Anyone know where to get a good detonator? BAM!

[broncofan]

Likewise on the friendship front. Even when I disagree with an argument you put forth, which is infrequent, I enjoy the edifying discourse that follows. A deeply reflective, contemplative nature is always appreciated.


My schedule is burtal today, so I have to be brief and less thorough than I would prefer. We agree that gun safety does suppress the rate of gun related deaths and injuries. Understanding things like how a firearm has to be suited to your body type for proper handling (much like a motorcycle) and how different types of ammunition interact with flesh and inanimate matter (overpenetration leading to an unintended targets being struck, etc.) are key. Nevertheless, you are right that more firearms will inevitably equate to more firearm related accidents, just like more motorcycles will inevitably lead to more motorcycle related deaths. The same goes for cars, planes, etc. It's a cliched response, I know, but it does beg the question "Just where do we draw the line on protecting the public from itself?"


So far as concealed vs. open carry is concerned, I'm not personally opposed to open carry. However, I do believe making it a legal requirement would be of primary benefit to violent criminal elements as it would allow them to identify with greater certainty those capable of resisting their efforts from those who cannot. Concealed carry removes that certainty, making any criminal action riskier and therefore less likely. To cite one piece of anecdotal evidence, I've seen far fewer road-rage incidents here in Atlanta than when I lived in NYC. Why? You never know who is carrying here. In NYC, it's a safe bet that the other guy is not.


As you've illustrated by citing your county's history, there is no one size fits all answer. There are numerous socioeconomic and cultural factors that make a workable solution in one region of the country injurious to another. Here in Atlanta, most of the police officers I know actually favor concealed carry (the same cannot be said of many other cities). Why? The APD is undermanned, underequipped, and just plain underfunded thanks to a city government that treats them in a manner nothing short of embarrassing. The people licensed to carry aren't the ones they need to worry about, and they know it. Places like the club I mentioned above are sites they don't generally have to apply their limited resources to, and they appreciate it.

-Quinn
Since you're open to a discussion, I'm happy to engage. I know fourty some pages ago the intention of the thread was to discuss which firearms people were buying. This is a very organized and effective response to those of us who ring the alarm bells about the risk of allowing the average Joe the Plumber to carry a gun. I don't think others should only be upset by those who want to discuss the shortcomings of owning a weapon.

The first issue I have is with the analogy to cars, planes, and motorcycles. It is a fair response to the statistic you were given, as it regarded the risk level of a specific activity, which of course is going to be correlated with the frequency one engages in it. But cars, planes, and motorcycles at least serve an independent purpose apart from maiming people. You could say that the independent purpose of carrying a weapon can be narrowly defined as deterrence. A sort of man to man game of mutually assured destruction. Or shooting the odd person who has a gun and can only be stopped by using one of your own.

The response to the first rationale is the same issue we confront when looking at the increasing number of countries that want to enter the Nuclear club. How can you be certain about the rationality of everyone participating? I wouldn't want only one party to have a nuclear weapon, but then again I wouldn't want a hundred either.

The fact is that if guns were made illegal tomorrow, there would still be rogue individuals who carried them. This makes those who want to own guns crazy because they can't stand that they wouldn't be able to counter the force of someone breaking the law. Yet, if 90% of people owned guns you would have people with self control issues brandishing them, you'd have people witnessing a robbery carried out with a knife playing Charlie Bronson, and you'd have all sorts of claims by people standing over dead bodies that the other guy was reaching for his holster. And I really wouldn't want bouncers at clubs having guns. I don't trust them and the degree of vicarious liability for owners would go through the roof if they began lighting up the club and claiming provocation.

That said, I recognize that there's a second amendment. I also recognize that the issue for many people is that of self-determination; that they can hypothetically protect themselves even if on average they endanger others. It may be a right, but I can't really see it as a social good.

[txsam]

Beretta is one of the world's oldest firearms manufacturers! :geek:
but I do not like the Beretta much.:

Yeah, I don't like them much either. We have one here at work, and we keep it dirty and use it as a misfire/misfeed practice gun because when its any bit dirty and you use anything but the best ammo it stovepipes 100% of the time... and its not in bad condition either- was new (when we started)