Andrej Pejic

[karaalextv]

This model is superb....getting all kinds of press (both pos and neg).

Just had to share

[karaalextv]

another..

[dgs925]

Yeah, those pics make me want to do awful things to his pretty little mouth.

[Ben]

This model is superb....getting all kinds of press (both pos and neg).

Just had to share

Yes. Gorgeous. Superb... is an apt word.

[Nikka]

is he gay?

[Colin92660]

Wife material for sure!!!

[Prospero]

He's way too much of a boy really

[reissit]

He's way too much of a boy really

Just your opinion, there not allways shared by everyone.

[Prospero]

Just your opinion, there not allways shared by everyone.


I didn't say it was shared - just as you say, expressing my opinion.

[Jericho]

Don't see the attraction! :shrug

[APD2]

is he gay?
My guess gay like Ru Paul or Boy George.

[Ben]

is he gay?

He's never said. He's fairly sly about his sexual orientation -- :) But I think it's fairly safe to say he's gay.... There is also a rumour (I'm starting it -- ha ha ha!) that he possesses a 12 inch pecker -- ha ha -- :)
Actually, does any guy really possess a 12 inch penis?????????

[JamieCoxx]

That's just a hot human being in general. Genetic lottery winner.

[Jackal]

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=411962&stc=1&d=1312395881


Andrej looks really attractive, like a hot woman at times. If he were to transition(if he had a tg identity that is), Andrej would be gorgeous

[NatashaLover]

I love androgenous looks! fucking hot!

[karaalextv]

During an interview, he said he'd go SRS and boob job if Victoria's Secret offered him a contract....

[robertlouis]

Actually, does any guy really possess a 12 inch penis?????????

If he does, it's safe to say it came from a donkey and he keeps it in a glass case. :geek:

[Nicole Dupre]

He's just a beautiful person, and that's why he causes such a stir. He puts preconceived notions of gender in the dark ages, where they belong.

You guys are watching transsexualism, and other forms of gender variance, unfold right before your eyes in the year 2011. It's a special time actually, where in the technology to transition is available, and the internet & pop culture exposes you to people like him, and us, and forces you to decide how you feel, and if you feel. lol ;-) It's provocative. :-)

[Nicole Dupre]

The most attractive transsexuals ultimately transcend gender imho.

[robertlouis]

He's just a beautiful person, and that's why he causes such a stir. He puts preconceived notions of gender in the dark ages, where they belong.

You guys are watching transsexualism, and other forms of gender variance, unfold right before your eyes in the year 2011. It's a special time actually, where in the technology to transition is available, and the internet & pop culture exposes you to people like him, and us, and forces you to decide how you feel, and if you feel. lol ;-) It's provocative. :-)

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

All except where the Repubtards hold sway, of course. If they couldn't "cure" Andre, they'd probably burn him as a witch.

[Nicole Dupre]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

All except where the Repubtards hold sway, of course. If they couldn't "cure" Andre, they'd probably burn him as a witch.
Yes. And when you see James, you know just how ugly the face of Repubtard hypocrisy can really be. lol

[robertlouis]

The most attractive transsexuals ultimately transcend gender imho.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

Shit, Nicole, I'm agreeing with you again. But it certainly works that way for me. A pretty girl is a pretty girl, end of.

[Ben]

The most attractive transsexuals ultimately transcend gender imho.

Interesting point Nicole.
I like the term Pansexual. This is from Wikipedia. "Pansexual people are people attracted to people without considering their gender."
So, pansexuals don't consider or care about gender. Whether it be male or female or trans.
For most people here, well, that'd apply to Andrej. We aren't considering his gender. He's just, well, physically stunning, gorgeous.

[Jackal]

I consider myself pan-attracted. I find femininity and androgyny attractive, if the person has whatever gender identity, so be it. I still find them to be attractive.

[amofemboy]

That's just a hot human being in general. Genetic lottery winner.

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

he have a feminine body but much of the contribution is the make up that emphasize is feminine part.

PS pansexual....i like this term

[Merkurie]

I dont know much about pansexuality, but like Jackal I am attracted to femininity and androgyny so I like Andrej either way.

[yodajazz]

Andrej is very comfortable expressing his feminine side. In an interview, his mom said that he had long been interested in makeup, and such.

[APD2]

Is Andrej intersex or on hormones? Looks like he has hips.




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[dbev]

This could apply to me:

Pansexual people are people attracted to people without considering their gender.

[dgs925]

This could apply to me:

Pansexual people are people attracted to people without considering their gender.

I'm pretty sure that is the definition of bisexual. No reason to invent a new word.

[Jackal]

And some more, I wish Andrej had tits? LOL

Andrej looks really hot in those leggings and gloves.

[Jackal]

I'm pretty sure that is the definition of bisexual. No reason to invent a new word.

attraction to two genders is the definition of bisexual

[dgs925]

attraction to two genders is the definition of bisexual

Yeah, I looked up the definition and I still think "pansexual" is a useless word that means the same thing as bisexual.

[Ben]

I'm pretty sure that is the definition of bisexual. No reason to invent a new word.

The term bisexual aims for concision -- :) Bisexuals are attracted to males and females. But not transsexuals. Pan-sexuals embrace all, as it were -- :)
Like, for instance, gay men aren't attracted to FTM transsexuals.

‪WHAT IS A PANSEXUAL?‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNcr0VCeVmQ)

[Nicole Dupre]

It's called gynephilia, and with trannys it's sometimes gynemimetophilia. I'm serious. That's what you guys are, to one degree or another. IMO it covers all the bases, as much as any one or two words ever have. Look them up, and tell me if I'm wrong. I think there are many degrees of separation of course, but the guys who likes their girls more passable is at least a gynephiliac.

But that's what "translovers" are. You're not gay, if that makes you feel any better. People attracted to masculinity are completely different. "Homosexuality was a sketchy concept they came up with in the early part of the 20th century in Germany. It's kind of a limited concept, but I guess in some ways it helped get "gay sex" and/or "greek" out of the gutter, where it was called sodomy ie. the antithesis of procreative sex ie. not being "fruitful" and fucking for god.

[Ben]

It's called gynephilia, and with trannys it's sometimes gynemimetophilia. I'm serious. That's what you guys are, to one degree or another. IMO it covers all the bases, as much as any one or two words ever have. Look them up, and tell me if I'm wrong. I think there are many degrees of separation of course, but the guys who likes their girls more passable is at least a gynephiliac.

But that's what "translovers" are. You're not gay, if that makes you feel any better. People attracted to masculinity are completely different. "Homosexuality was a sketchy concept they came up with in the early part of the 20th century in Germany. It's kind of a limited concept, but I guess in some ways it helped get "gay sex" and/or "greek" out of the gutter, where it was called sodomy ie. the antithesis of procreative sex ie. not being "fruitful" and fucking for god.

Thanks Nicole. Nicole, I've never heard of the term: gynephilia.
Which means: attracted to femininity. This is true. This does explain our attraction to Andrej Pejic. And, say, crossdressers etc. etc.
It's gravitating to feminine attributes.

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[Nicole Dupre]

Thanks Nicole. Nicole, I've never heard of the term: gynephilia.
Which means: attracted to femininity. This is true. This does explain our attraction to Andrej Pejic. And, say, crossdressers etc. etc.
It's gravitating to feminine attributes.

Androphilia and gynephilia - Wikipedia, the free [email]encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androphilia_and_gynephilia)
No problem. It's a lot more accurate imo.

[robertlouis]

No problem. It's a lot more accurate imo.

Nicole, this puts you in line for the award for getting 90% of the guys on HA off the hook for their biggest anxiety lol!

[Nicole Dupre]

Nicole, this puts you in line for the award for getting 90% of the guys on HA off the hook for their biggest anxiety lol!
It would be nice if 90% of the world understood it. lol

[Nicole Dupre]

Nicole, this puts you in line for the award for getting 90% of the guys on HA off the hook for their biggest anxiety lol!
But you have to remember, ANY sexual thoughts, which aren't focused on procreation, are a societal taboo according to the Abrahamic religions, which dominate the world. And the good Lord knows, the "world" always needs more grunts, cops, and criminals ie. cheap labor. And it's the responsibility of the simple, god-fearing folks to supply them with worker bees. Sex is not supposed to be fun, you heathens! God save the Queen! lol

[amofemboy]

woww from a thread about a beautyful guy with a feminine body we can talk about religions!! i m agree here with nicole couse i love Andrej Pejic when he accentuate his feminine body.
But i m attracted also by the penis so i thinks that the reason of attraction toward a femboy or tgirl is about the idea of the woman born in my mind.

OH no i seems a psychiatrist

[robertlouis]

But you have to remember, ANY sexual thoughts, which aren't focused on procreation, are a societal taboo according to the Abrahamic religions, which dominate the world. And the good Lord knows, the "world" always needs more grunts, cops, and criminals ie. cheap labor. And it's the responsibility of the simple, god-fearing folks to supply them with worker bees. Sex is not supposed to be fun, you heathens! God save the Queen! lol

Hey, I was raised as a Scots presbyterian, Nicole, where it's a sin to enjoy anything at all, let alone sex.

[karaalextv]

I'm glad I started this thread....seems everyone is enjoying themselves!

[Kabuki]

Bookmark this link if you're a Andrej Pejic fan. This blog is updated on a regular basis.

http://fyeahandrejpejic.tumblr.com/

[Ben]

This is a good pic. Andrej showing off his good looks, his, well, chiseled features.

[Ineeda SM]

But you have to remember, ANY sexual thoughts, which aren't focused on procreation, are a societal taboo according to the Abrahamic religions, which dominate the world. And the good Lord knows, the "world" always needs more grunts, cops, and criminals ie. cheap labor. And it's the responsibility of the simple, god-fearing folks to supply them with worker bees. Sex is not supposed to be fun, you heathens! God save the Queen! lol

LMFAO! Fuck 'em all and the snakes they slithered in on. LOL

[Ben]

A few more pics. God! He's gorgeous....

[tsnajwa]

The term bisexual aims for concision -- :) Bisexuals are attracted to males and females. But not transsexuals. Pan-sexuals embrace all, as it were -- :)
Like, for instance, gay men aren't attracted to FTM transsexuals.

&#x202a;WHAT IS A PANSEXUAL?&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNcr0VCeVmQ)

not true. i know plenty of gay guys that like some FTMs, but they cant deal with dat vag. completely unrelated but i'm a transgirl and i <3 ftms

[IHeartTGirls]

It's called gynephilia, and with trannys it's sometimes gynemimetophilia. I'm serious. That's what you guys are, to one degree or another. IMO it covers all the bases, as much as any one or two words ever have. Look them up, and tell me if I'm wrong. I think there are many degrees of separation of course, but the guys who likes their girls more passable is at least a gynephiliac.
...
People attracted to masculinity are completely different.

I thought I'd just get to look at some eye candy but thanks for teaching me something extremely interesting. I am attracted to feminine GGs, TS and boys like Andrej while I am repulsed by masculine men and women and I was unhappy with the traditional classifications. Now I clearly know where I fit.

[Jackal]

Damn!

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I wish I could touch those white stocking'd legs!


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Pretty eyes

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[Nicole Dupre]

For god-knows-how-long, people, who were born with dicks but carried womanly 'presence', were basically cursed by society.

But we've always been here. In fact, one of us is getting bullied on a playground at this very moment, I'm sure; in fact, being bullied by the boy(s) who harbors a sexual attraction for the them.

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[Jimmy W]

Very very pretty

[bullride24]

Is Andrej on hormones? The last post indicates as if he has breasts.

[Nicole Dupre]

Is Andrej on hormones? The last post indicates as if he has breasts.
No, he doesn't. There was a big to-do last early Spring when Barnes and Noble wouldn't carry a fashion mag, which had him bare-chested on the cover. He looks so feminine, they felt even showing his bare boy-chest would cause shock and outrage in their stores. lol

And he even has blonde facial hair. He really is 'male', although I wouldn't doubt that he was born intersexed.

[robertlouis]

I can understand Andrej's attractions, although I find him intriguing rather than sexy.

The girl on the left of this pic is Lea T, the Brazilian supermodel who is openly transsexual and has discussed her feelings and situation candidly and publicly.

Andrej, on the other hand, maintains a deliberately ambiguous and enigmatic public stance on his sexuality - and why not, after all? He's a hugely successful model, and his current "guessability" simply adds cachet to his image and earning power.

Personally, however, I find Lea infinitely more attractive and interesting. Anyone else?

[MrBlonde]

Nicole not to argue with you because I really have no proof. But just today I went through about 1000 Andrej pics on a blog. In the pics it really looks as though some (very minor) changes are or have taken place (especially in the chest area). In some of his earlier shots he had a slightly more defined muscular look and then in the later shots he's definitely developed a tiny bit of fatty tissue there. Like I said, no proof, unfortunately I didn't save the pics to share (and I ain't going through all of them again). But I think if you look at a full body of work from him you can see something changing. It's a very small change right now and maybe it's just he's embraced a more fully feminine lifestyle since his early days but I wouldn't be surprised if he's taken some small dosages of something recently. The nipples are a tiny bit puffier as well.

[amofemboy]

I can understand Andrej's attractions, although I find him intriguing rather than sexy.

Andrej, on the other hand, maintains a deliberately ambiguous and enigmatic public stance on his sexuality - and why not, after all? He's a hugely successful model, and his current "guessability" simply adds cachet to his image and earning power.


:iagree::iagree:

infact i find him very attractive only when he accentuate is feminine side with make up

[bullride24]

No, he doesn't. There was a big to-do last early Spring when Barnes and Noble wouldn't carry a fashion mag, which had him bare-chested on the cover. He looks so feminine, they felt even showing his bare boy-chest would cause shock and outrage in their stores. lol

And he even has blonde facial hair. He really is 'male', although I wouldn't doubt that he was born intersexed.

he sure seems more feminine then before.

In btwn Nicole lovely profile pic. You have eveolved intio a lovely women over the years. I used to eagerly wait for your pics long time ago when yahoo groups were big

[Nicole Dupre]

he sure seems more feminine then before.

In btwn Nicole lovely profile pic. You have eveolved intio a lovely women over the years. I used to eagerly wait for your pics long time ago when yahoo groups were big
Thank you, baby. xo

[Merkurie]

I like both Lea and Andrej.
I think Andrej is keeping ambiguous for marketing reasons, what is the cache of being the second trans top model (after Lea that is). I saw a spot where people in his home village were asked about Andrej and they all seemed convinced he was very girly.

BTW is that Jenny Shimizu in that photo? If so she has really looks like a dude. She is more masculine than most Japanese men these days it seems. I used to dig her, when she was less manly. Still I totally respect the direction she has taken. She was a real gender pioneer in modeling.

[APD2]

Andrej, on the other hand, maintains a deliberately ambiguous and enigmatic public stance on his sexuality - and why not, after all? He's a hugely successful model, and his current "guessability" simply adds cachet to his image and earning power.

Personally, however, I find Lea infinitely more attractive and interesting. Anyone else?
I don't know about the interesting bit. Andrej comes across as clever and witty in interviews.He'd be good company,even without his looks.

[APD2]

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[Ben]

is he gay?

Most likely. Judging by these pics -- :)

[Jackal]

Andrej is not androgynous, just fem and rather pretty. dang!

[arno1111]

advertising push-uo bra's in holland

[Merkurie]

I really love these pictures
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[Ben]

advertising push-uo bra's in holland

Andrej Pejic is too hot.... Has a similar look to Derrick Barry. But more feminine, prettier. Albeit Derrick is sooo sexy, too -- :)

[rasta]

just pics

[rasta]

recreation of kinski

[rasta]

MODELS UNCENSORED: ANDREJ PEJIC on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/28797281)

http://thegloss.com/fashion/andrej-pejic-would-get-a-sex-change-for-victorias-secret/

[rasta]

very nice large pics

[rasta]

more

[rasta]

many beautiful photos

[rasta]

elegant nice adrej

[rasta]

Jueregen Teller pics

[rasta]

some more from that shoot

[Paulistano]

some more from that shoot

Nice pics rasta!!! Thanks a lot! :Bowdown:

[rasta]

andrej again

[rasta]

Hot Seventies Fashion. Hot.

[rasta]

love this

[rasta]

another editorial

[rasta]

these are good!

[rasta]

http://thefashionisto.com/andrej-pejic-by-jason-last-for-complex-geometries-spring-2012-preview/

[Paige]

Yes!! Just saw Andrej on CNN news!! It's not just about Andrej's great looks-This might be THE Breakthrough, people!! A TG on prime time news, getting mostly good comments!! And one of US doing a very up-scale LINGERIE ad, in top magazines, instead of a female model!!!! Am I wrong or is this what we've been dreaming of??? Excuse me-have to take my asthma med.-so excited i have trouble breathing... Thank you for starting this post. Wow!

[Merkurie]

Is Andrej getting some nipple development? Some of these shots look a little puffy.

[rasta]

it does look that way. but it says no.. tho.. watch the interview about about getting srs to work for victorias secret.. ... maybe there is something to it..

[Merkurie]

I hope Andrej does'nt wind up looking like James Taylor. Testosterone gets a vote too.

[Ben]

He looks like Anderson Brooks. Only Andrej is more feminine looking. He could be taking hormones. Who knows....

[rasta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgvGlLuoT8Q&feature=related

[Merkurie]

Androgyny Rocks!

[OEMEnemyNum1]

Cool Ad!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/13/andrej-pejic-bra-ad_n_1145742.html

[Ben]

Androgyny Rocks!

It does.... He's sportin' a nice package....

[Tina Francis]

...I just don't have the interest. The fashion industry thrives on being cutting edge and "oddballness", and this person is the oddball de jour. The only reason he thrives today is because he looks so much like the current crop of very tall, very thin models, who have a very androgynous presentation, and are mostly from Eastern Europe ( as he is), but with the added twist of being male. He is certainly not something that any transwomen I know hold in adulation.

Lets play a game, shall we...let's look at a couple of youtube videos from the early 90's, with real women whose presentation defined femininity for that time. The great Queens and transwomen of the era sought to emulate these gorgeous females, and something has been lost since then, I think...ask a transwoman of today if she would like to look like Andrej or Christy Turlington...

Marc Jacobs for Perry Ellis spring/summer 1992 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBlUNv-gh5A)

Marc Jacobs for Perry Ellis spring/summer 1992 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32WorKCOVY)

[Paulistano]

...I just don't have the interest. The fashion industry thrives on being cutting edge and "oddballness", and this person is the oddball de jour. The only reason he thrives today is because he looks so much like the current crop of very tall, very thin models, who have a very androgynous presentation, and are mostly from Eastern Europe ( as he is), but with the added twist of being male. He is certainly not something that any transwomen I know hold in adulation.

Lets play a game, shall we...let's look at a couple of youtube videos from the early 90's, with real women whose presentation defined femininity for that time. The great Queens and transwomen of the era sought to emulate these gorgeous females, and something has been lost since then, I think...ask a transwoman of today if she would like to look like Andrej or Christy Turlington...


I like your point of view Tina.

[Jimmy W]

Pretend that the fashion industry doesn't call the shots for you personally and you can actually see someone and be attracted to that person on your own. I don't know Andrej and I'll never meet him. I don't care if he emulates anyone else or if I should compare him with anyone from the past, present or future. I could give two shits if someone wants to find a way to diminish him or find a reason to "not hold him in adulation". I have no problem liking Andrej Pejic. He is beautiful. I like thinking about how beautiful he is. I don't worry about if I like boys or girls. He transcends all that bullshit.

[Ben]

Let me see you stripped [Andrej Pejic] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YDYG9CoMpA)

[Bishounen]

...I just don't have the interest. The fashion industry thrives on being cutting edge and "oddballness", and this person is the oddball de jour. The only reason he thrives today is because he looks so much like the current crop of very tall, very thin models, who have a very androgynous presentation, and are mostly from Eastern Europe ( as he is), but with the added twist of being male. He is certainly not something that any transwomen I know hold in adulation.

Funny, because I know several that indeed does, although they are Post-ops.

However, even if there, hypothetically, wouldn't have been any T-chicks at all that held him in adulation, it would nonetheless be totally irrelevant, as they, the anti-T-chicks, are not any Government of approval of Gendervarianted people, and, as such, has no saying, any less than people that would like garlic banned from every restaurant have any saying either, as their opinions is not everybodies else opinion, but merely theirs.


Lets play a game, shall we...let's look at a couple of youtube videos from the early 90's, with real women whose presentation defined femininity for that time. The great Queens and transwomen of the era sought to emulate these gorgeous females, and something has been lost since then, I think...ask a transwoman of today if she would like to look like Andrej or Christy Turlington...

Why not instead do it the other way around, shall we: Ask a bunch of random Bio-females on the street if they would like to look like transsexuals, and see what lots, or even all of them, would answer.

[NewAgain]

Cedo

[Ben]

Andrej Pejic - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0i68jKcr9s)

[natina]

people are attracted to his IMAGE in the magazines and modeling shoots


Don't see the attraction! :shrug

[Tika]

You know, after seeing that video in the post above, I'm thinking Andrej has some cute little hormone boobs. It doesn't seem likely that someone that lean would have small breast mounds like you see at around 2:35 (one example).

[RallyCola]

i'm not attracted. andrej is so damn androgenous that it goes against everything that i find feminine. honestly, i don't see femininity at all...all i see is one hell of a gender bender.

[JenniferParisHusband]

I'm not down with the androgenous thing either. But I have to admit, it looks like there's some breast development going on. If he is transitioning, and can do something about the "beauty marks" on his face, I'd have to revisit whether I'm into it or not.

[hauser82]

oh my god i share the same surname as this fag. deedpoll inc.

[Merkurie]

Other than those bony legs of his, Andrej is totally hot with a very beautiful face.

But Andrej looks like a female fashion model, and skinny and androgynous has long been the ideal for high fashion models. It is only now that they are being honest that their "female ideal" is a femme boy.

[RallyCola]

Other than those bony legs of his, Andrej is totally hot with a very beautiful face.

But Andrej looks like a female fashion model, and skinny and androgynous has long been the ideal for high fashion models. It is only now that they are being honest that their "female ideal" is a femme boy.

yeah...i'll buy that. i never really like many top models. their bodies are far too skinny, lanky and androgynous. Their faces is too bony/angular. i like femininity and for the most part, most models are too androgynous for me.

take for example project runway...i think i have seen every season except for the first. i have found 1 maybe 2 of the models on that show hot in all the years it has been on. fashion models just aren't my thing.

[Ben]

oh my god i share the same surname as this fag. deedpoll inc.

We shouldn't use the word fag.

[natina]

ARON DAVES

LOOKS GREAT and is a fem boy model

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=915227


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[natina]

ARON DAVES

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=379632&stc=1&d=1300563219

[RallyCola]

i don't find aron daves any more or less attractive than than andrej.

As black women generally have harder features, its easier for effeminate black men to come across as black women. Same with asians.

In andrej case, his face is very angular and squarish...he looks like a dude...a pretty dude that when dressed as a girl looks like a tranny, but I really don't see femininity in andrej's face. Then you look at his andrej's body and its definitely a dude's body so...I really couldn't be attracted.

[Ben]

I find both Anderson Brooks and Derrick Barry attractive. Ranking alongside Andrej Pejic.

[tsparrow69]

Were these photos taken at a live modeling fashion show? Were those magazine photos? If yes, what magazine?

[RallyCola]

the britney spears dude is too muscular to look feminine.

[dgs925]

take for example project runway...i think i have seen every season except for the first.

You have very bad taste in television, my friend.

[Yoda Rules!]

I think they are all beautiful, femininity in itself is beautiful. But there is a distinct difference between a feminine boy and a transitioning TS.

[celo]

http://mt4.haibao.cn/store/wm/bigfiles/201219/887FDCBBEAC093B784F6D5C04AA689.jpg (http://www.haibao.cn/readphoto?url=http://mt4.haibao.cn/store/wm/bigfiles/201219/887FDCBBEAC093B784F6D5C04AA689.jpg)

[celo]

http://mt4.haibao.cn/store/wm/bigfiles/201219/887FDCBBEAC093B784F7D5CE4DA987.jpg (http://www.haibao.cn/readphoto?url=http://mt4.haibao.cn/store/wm/bigfiles/201219/887FDCBBEAC093B784F7D5CE4DA987.jpg)

[celo]

http://www.jfdaily.com/jfimg/2012-19/5016878.jpg

[celo]

http://www.jfdaily.com/jfimg/2012-19/5016882.jpg

[celo]

http://www.jfdaily.com/jfimg/2012-19/5016884.jpg

[celo]

http://img3.cache.netease.com/photo/0026/2012-05-12/819AKGVF43AJ0026.jpg

[celo]

http://img3.cache.netease.com/photo/0026/2012-05-12/81989RMH43AJ0026.JPG

[celo]

http://mt4.haibao.cn/store/wm/bigfiles/201219/887FDCBBEAC093B784F2D5C445AD81.jpg (http://www.haibao.cn/readphoto?url=http://mt4.haibao.cn/store/wm/bigfiles/201219/887FDCBBEAC093B784F2D5C445AD81.jpg)

[celo]

http://mt4.haibao.cn/store/wm/bigfiles/201219/887FDCBBEAC093B784F2D5C04DA680.jpg (http://www.haibao.cn/readphoto?url=http://mt4.haibao.cn/store/wm/bigfiles/201219/887FDCBBEAC093B784F2D5C04DA680.jpg)

[APD2]

Does anyone know who the chick with the Captain's hat and nipple tassels next to Andrej is? http://www.getbig.com/boards/Smileys/classic/tongue.gif




http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pcpgSXKl1qdgw6vo2_1280.jpg






http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pcpgSXKl1qdgw6vo1_1280.jpg







...........


http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4phws3JKV1qbgjbio1_1280.jpg

[sydburn9]

Does anyone know who the chick with the Captain's hat and nipple tassels next to Andrej is? http://www.getbig.com/boards/Smileys/classic/tongue.gif




http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pcpgSXKl1qdgw6vo2_1280.jpg






http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pcpgSXKl1qdgw6vo1_1280.jpg







...........


http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4phws3JKV1qbgjbio1_1280.jpg

This girls name is Jennifer paris famous ts model !
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pcpgSXKl1qdgw6vo1_1280.jpg

here's her add on erosguide in NYC :
http://www.eros-ny.com/files/52826.htm

[APD2]

Thanks. Certainly seen pics of Jennifer Paris before. Wondering if that was her or someone similar looking....

[GOLDENBEAR]

I don't think he should even be considered androgynous. When he's dressed like a female, he looks like a female. He looks more feminine than most females look feminine. I wonder what percentage of straight males would hit it when they are horny (no need to take a poll for on board)? I'll bet it's over 50%.

[Ben]

This girls name is Jennifer paris famous ts model !
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pcpgSXKl1qdgw6vo1_1280.jpg

here's her add on erosguide in NYC :
http://www.eros-ny.com/files/52826.htm

Great pics.

[TsJennifer]

Does anyone know who the chick with the Captain's hat and nipple tassels next to Andrej is? http://www.getbig.com/boards/Smileys/classic/tongue.gif




http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pcpgSXKl1qdgw6vo2_1280.jpg






http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4pcpgSXKl1qdgw6vo1_1280.jpg







...........






Thats me ;)

XOXO~

Jennifer Paris

See more pics at
Http://www.JenniferParis.net

[JenniferParisHusband]

Thanks. Certainly seen pics of Jennifer Paris before. Wondering if that was her or someone similar looking....

I've looked far and wide, there's no one like Jennifer.

[TsJennifer]

I've looked far and wide, there's no one like Jennifer.


Thanks your very sweet!

[Fancy fancy]

Jennifer needs a stiff Cock up her; crude, but true.

[Yoda Rules!]

With one month of hormones, Andrej has a chance to be the most beautiful TS woman of all time

[kukm4]

bump

[kukm4]

.....

[dakota87]

I'd never heard of this dude then I saw an article about him being featured in a Jean Paul Gaultier fashion show.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2168867/Paris-Couture-Week-2012-Jean-Paul-Gaultier-stuns-collection-inspired-Pete-Doherty--Andrej-Pejic-star-show.html

[Merkurie]

Is it wrong to hope Andrej goes on 'mones?

[Ben]

Is it wrong to hope Andrej goes on 'mones?

There's a possibility that Andrej Pejic is on hormones. In the very early stages -- :)

[yodajazz]

Out at night Pejic is a total fem. In the other Pejic's body position with the male seems female to me.

[Ben]

ANDREJ PEJIC for SILVIAN HEACH - backstage FW13 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGie2fO1fjQ&feature=player_embedded)

[giuxxx71]

he/she is really hot !!

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and have a nice butt !!

[giuxxx71]

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[dante]

is this a gay board?

[dante]

does Jennifer feel more important than Andrej because she has boobs?

[Ben]

is this a gay board?

Well, define gay? :)
Andrej possesses amazin' looks.
Yeah! I'm sexually attracted to him....

[danthepoetman]

is this a gay board?
It’s a forum dedicated to t-women, and therefore to femininity, Dante, great poet of the after-life. You have to admit Andrej is feminine enough to have a little place in here, don’t you?

[danthepoetman]

Well, define gay? :)
Andrej possesses amazin' looks.
Yeah! I'm sexually attracted to him....
As a matter of fact, and although you never know quite precisely how your body will react, I’m pretty sure if I was to pick him up in a bar, that I’d fuck the shit out of him (excuse the French)…

[bottomXOslave]

As a matter of fact, and although you never know quite precisely how your body will react, I’m pretty sure if I was to pick him up in a bar, that I’d fuck the shit out of him (excuse the French)…

Dan your just into any bitch in this forum or should i say world .. lok at you liking boys am pretty sure u jerk of to my ass pics thinking its a ts or tv anything pretty much you comment is beautiful to you hahaha you sick douchebag dude :loser: ...

[danthepoetman]

Dan your just into any bitch in this forum or should i say world .. lok at you liking boys am pretty sure u jerk of to my ass pics thinking its a ts or tv anything pretty much you comment is beautiful to you hahaha you sick douchebag dude :loser: ...
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

[Ben]

As a matter of fact, and although you never know quite precisely how your body will react, I’m pretty sure if I was to pick him up in a bar, that I’d fuck the shit out of him (excuse the French)…

I'd let him fuck the shit outta me. And excuse my French -- ha ha! :)

[JenniferParisHusband]

Dan your just into any bitch in this forum or should i say world .. lok at you liking boys am pretty sure u jerk of to my ass pics thinking its a ts or tv anything pretty much you comment is beautiful to you hahaha you sick douchebag dude :loser: ...

Dan, I've got this one, sit back, have a beer and relax while I handle this.

BottomXOslave, again with your ass. I almost feel we need to go over this point by point again, you seem to be fixated on it, and really, the only one fixated on it. So you might want to get your mind off it, or head out of it.

Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, it's really not that great of an ass. Astheticly speaking, it's boring. It's kind of flat, which you expect with Asian ladies, but not on a white guy. There's no curves to the sides in the hip area, which would indicate any kind of femininity. The anus really could use a bleaching, and you've got zits all over the place. It's boring on its own, and really unremarkable. Hell even you admit that it's worn out. It's in your first ever post about it. Now, that's just the looks of it. Google Jennifer Paris, now that's a great ass! Look up a girl on here named Qwerty94, her's is outstanding! Kim from Kim's Anal is amazing! Those are three quick names off the top of my head that put yours to shame. And there's a lot more on here than that.

Now, the thing with Dan and Andre Pejic, Andre looks feminine. That's really kind of the deal with this board. There's a guy named Ben who probably would like your ass, but that's not Dan. If you had been on here more than a week, or done more than 8 posts, you'd know Dan tends to like at least a minmum of femininity. You didn't even take the time to slap on a dress in your photos. The great majority, I'd say 99% of the guys on here, not down with gay imagery, they're here because the women they look at have a penis, but tend to look like women. It's not a gay board, it's a transgender board. Big difference. If you can't figure that out, you probably shouldn't be here. Because now, you're just pissing people off.

Look if you really do the TV thing, the fact that you are trying to be feminine might do more for some of the guys on here. But last count on that page you started, no one really wants to see it or hear about it. But when you start going around calling long time Senior members with over 1000 posts (when you have 8 in total over less than a week) a douchebag, I'm pretty sure there are people anxious to kick that ass. I for one am getting pretty sick of you calling out people as gay, or insulting them on here for simply not liking your piss-poor attitude, and really lame, ugly, & unremarkable ass.

The only gay person present seems to be you, wanting guys on here, 99% of whom identify as straight, to pound you up that worn out sphincter that you seem to think is a gift from god. It isn't, you can get a better one made of silicone at the local porn shop for $19.99. And gay? You are a pair of ass-less chaps away from a pride parade breaking out. Don't throw that around so casually there Elton. In the short time you've been on this board, you have proven that you are every bit the jerk that black wifebeater you sport so proudly in those photos makes you seem to be. Hell, even your underwear choices scream "can't get laid without using roofies." So give it a rest already, and change the attitude, because the only douchebag posting around here, is you.

:loser:

[bottomXOslave]

Idot to rescue ha!!!!! Poor dan is to weak

[JenniferParisHusband]

Idot to rescue ha!!!!! Poor dan is to weak

No, Dan is too classy. I on the other hand, freely admit to having none.

And by the way, if you can't spell "Idiot" you probably shouldn't be tossing that word around like you toss your Twink's cum all over your face. Go back to the docks and sucking cock for food. You've just lost 2 to me, and I'm going easy on ya.

[bottomXOslave]

No, Dan is too classy. I on the other hand, freely admit to having none.

And by the way, if you can't spell "Idiot" you probably shouldn't be tossing that word around like you toss your Twink's cum all over your face. Go back to the docks and sucking cock for food. You've just lost 2 to me, and I'm going easy on ya.

And you can go back to your loser life that you have .... you homophobic classless bitch:loser: am going hard on ya:dancing: suck my nuts and ass ...

[Quiet Reflections]

why is anyone even responding to this guy? He is attention starved and is getting off on trolling the board. Please let him fall into obscurity with his unquenchable thirst that puts the most cock starved power bottom to shame.

[JenniferParisHusband]

And you can go back to your loser life that you have .... you homophobic classless bitch:loser: am going hard on ya:dancing: suck my nuts and ass ...

You're not even trying to make this hard for me. Let's break this down. I want you to see the details of why you're a moron.

1) Classless? that doesn't hurt. I kind of admitted to it.

2) Loser life? I'm not the one begging guys to validate my ass.

3) Homophobic? Again, I think you fail to understand this board, and fail to know the definition of the word you are using. Let's start with the basic fact that you are FLAMING GAY! That bears repeating, because I don't you really realize that you are. But yes, you are FLAMING GAY! And me, I have no problem with that. You want to be gay, that's great. I'll support you in being gay until the day I die. I just ask you to respect that the men on here, most of them will identify as straight, not gay, and are not interested in your flat, zit-covered, unremarkable ass. Liking M2F TG's not a gay thing. It's the part of them that looks like women that is why we are here. Me not liking your ass has nothing to do with being homophobic. Me not liking your ass is because well, I wouldn't, since I personally am not gay, and also because it's ugly. Me not liking you for your lousy attitude is also not homophobic. Me making a joke about you sucking the cocks of longshoreman, also not homophobic, it's about you being desperate for cock. The twink thing, yeah, that was a gay joke. But again, you should just come out and accept that you are FLAMING GAY!

4) Bitch? Really? Do I need to again point out that this statement kind of makes you seem FLAMING GAY!!!! Again, I have no problems with you being gay. But I'm not. And this is a transgender board, not a gay board? I can't see how this is so hard for you to figure out. And you're the one who started calling people gay.

5) Being Hard On Me? Listen prancer, (Yeah, that might have been a little bit of a gay joke, but you crossed a line and kind of deserved it.) As for being hard, I doubt you could get hard with a cargo ship full of viagra and a dick splint.

6) Suck Your Nuts & Ass? No, stupid. Again, I have to point out this a transgender board, not a gay board. I'm straight, I wouldn't do that. And this is again why you're not liked on here. It's not homophobia, it's cause you're an asshole who disrespects everyone here by not being able to figure it out.

If you would like me to insult you without anything your sensitve little heart might consider as homophobic. Fine, I'm game for that. I'll even ignore the obvious and treat you as 100% straight. Let's go back to that stupid black wifebeater T-shirt you sport. Might it be that you can't find someone who admires your ass because you're too busy staying at home watching Roadhouse and beating the shit out of women? Oh wait that's a Redneck joke. You aren't southern are you? Let me try something else. No face pic when you posted those photos, or was that ugly ass of yours really your face. Ok, even I'm embarrassed by how easy and how little of a challenge that one was. I probably could have used that one on you in 6th grade. Of course, you'd still be crying like a little girl over it. (Not a Homophobic joke, just that you're a weak little pussy joke.) Your little white thong panties? Which member of the pussycat dolls did you steal them off of? (Again, that's not homophobic, more of a crossdresser joke, my apologies if I offended any CD's witnessing me own this guy.) How about an ass-zits joke at your expense? You ugly ass looks like the before photo in a Pro-active commercial.

Now, I've owned you 3 in a row. I can do this all day, I get paid to do this sort of thing. You're not even a challenge. I'm getting fan mail now for taking you down. Get the hint, either be more respectful of people on here, or I'm going to keep making you look like a fool.

[JenniferParisHusband]

why is anyone even responding to this guy? He is attention starved and is getting off on trolling the board. Please let him fall into obscurity with his unquenchable thirst that puts the most cock starved power bottom to shame.

I know this guy's a troll. I get off on making him look like an idiot. He'll probably respond with something stupid, that seems to be his pattern. Because you've requested it, I'll let him go. It's like arguing with a 3 year old.

I don't think he realizes he's a cock starved power bottom.

[bottomXOslave]

poor life u have !!!! fan mail.? lol better to have fame then nothing ... keep wasting your energies and ill keep working your fingers on that keyboard
all night all day see how much power i have over you already ...

[JenniferParisHusband]

Poor life I have? You should talk. Really, it was fun picking on you, but now it's just sad. It's like kicking a puppy, or picking on a slow kid. I'm getting fan mail not because I want fame, it's because people hate you. It's that simple.

Quiet Reflections is right, you're a troll. You think I have a poor life. You're so desperate for any form of attention from someone that you're willing to parade your ass to anyone whether their interested or not. The only reason you're responding to me, its because you have no one else. You're pathetic, not that smart, not good looking, with no one who likes or wants you, and that's sad. You have to piss someone like me off, because otherwise you're just the same old lonely troll who no one likes or wants, and you won't get any attention.

I get it now. It's an attention grab with you because you don't have another thing in your life. So while i could beat up on you all day, I quit. I'm not going to give you what you want anymore. Just go away now.

[danthepoetman]

And you can go back to your loser life that you have .... you homophobic classless bitch:loser: am going hard on ya:dancing: suck my nuts and ass ...


poor life u have !!!! fan mail.? lol better to have fame then nothing ... keep wasting your energies and ill keep working your fingers on that keyboard
all night all day see how much power i have over you already ...

Why would we be homophobic, bottomXOslave, because we are not attracted to you? It has been asked to you, yet you’re not giving any answer. It’s something I just can’t figure out. Moreover, JenniferParisHusband, I and most of the people you insulted on the other thread have on the contrary defended gay people and rights on several occasions on this board. On a few occurrences, I myself had to have harsh words about this with people I respected otherwise. I really don’t understand your attitude, man. You seem like someone who has a lot to prove to himself… I suggest to you kindly that this is not the place.
Besides, why do you talk as if you knew anything of anybody’s life around here? You think you can guess who people are from their lack of desire for you? That's so inept! And why do you keep returning silly, vulgar, ridiculous insults to perfectly rational arguments? Do you really think anyone will be affected by such language? Don’t you realize you look like a simpleton? Or maybe you don’t care? Don’t you realize the image of yourself you project on this board? Can you even understand?
The worst about this all, is that no one had been impolite or rude to you so far. Why are you with everyone? You should rethink your attitude, man, and seriously.

[MdR Dave]

Perhaps the bottomXOboy could use a session with Ericka? He might come out of it a bit more well-mannered.

I'll chip in, assuming Ericka would have him.

[JenniferParisHusband]

The worst about this all, is that no one had been impolite or rude to you so far.

Well, in fairness, I've been rude to him. But it was in defense of others and myself. He deserved it. So I'm cool with it.



Perhaps the bottomXOboy could use a session with Ericka? He might come out of it a bit more well-mannered.

I'll chip in, assuming Ericka would have him.


Ooooh, I'd pay to see Ericka in the octogon with him. But I think he might enjoy it a little too much. lol

[bottomXOslave]

"So while i could beat up on you all day, I quit. I'm not going to give you what you want anymore. Just go away now".[/QUOTE] by username mr. jenniferparishusband




"Quitters never win, winners never quit" :Bowdown: i guess am winner oh well btw and stop messaging in private how u want me lol cuz hate can turn into love hunny !!!

[JenniferParisHusband]

"So while i could beat up on you all day, I quit. I'm not going to give you what you want anymore. Just go away now". "Quitters never win, winners never quit" :Bowdown: i guess am winner oh well btw and stop messaging in private how u want me lol cuz hate can turn into love hunny !!![/


Hey, no one was talking to you.

Shouldn't you be on a short-bus to the "special" school? Actually, the messaging going back and forth about you had nothing to do with wanting you, it had to do with pittying you because a lot of us believe you are mentally slow, and overly desperate. We're not in love with you, we feel sorry for you for being 1) ugly, 2) an asshole, 3) retarded (seriously, people are concerned that I'm making fun of Corkey from "Life goes on." They're wondering which form of autism you have), 4) so desperate to get laid you're practically begging to get some from anything with a penis most likely including your long suffering pets, 5) how incredibly FLAMING GAY you are using things like "bitch" and "hunny" which you can't even spell correctly, and 6) being so proud of, while you possess one of the ugliest asses we've ever seen.

That's not love. That's us being embarrassed for you, because you can't comprehend why you above all other should be embarrassed.

And they're right.

You are so desperate for attention that you have nothing else but this. And I'm not going to give it to you. I'm blocking your posts. I'll never have to see you or that ugly worn out zit-covered ass you really should be ashamed of, ever again. You need help. Serious professional help. I really hope you get some.

[JenniferParisHusband]

Now back to business. I've kept Ben from Andrej Pejic for too long. Here ya go buddy. Enjoy!

[MdR Dave]

cuz hate can turn into love hunny !!!

I'm going to add that to your "ass is ass" comment and file them both under the heading "Prison Wisdom".

[bottomXOslave]

Hey, no one was talking to you.

Shouldn't you be on a short-bus to the "special" school? Actually, the messaging going back and forth about you had nothing to do with wanting you, it had to do with pittying you because a lot of us believe you are mentally slow, and overly desperate. We're not in love with you, we feel sorry for you for being 1) ugly, 2) an asshole, 3) retarded (seriously, people are concerned that I'm making fun of Corkey from "Life goes on." They're wondering which form of autism you have), 4) so desperate to get laid you're practically begging to get some from anything with a penis most likely including your long suffering pets, 5) how incredibly FLAMING GAY you are using things like "bitch" and "hunny" which you can't even spell correctly, and 6) being so proud of, while you possess one of the ugliest asses we've ever seen.

That's not love. That's us being embarrassed for you, because you can't comprehend why you above all other should be embarrassed.

And they're right.

You are so desperate for attention that you have nothing else but this. And I'm not going to give it to you. I'm blocking your posts. I'll never have to see you or that ugly worn out zit-covered ass you really should be ashamed of, ever again. You need help. Serious professional help. I really hope you get some.

If you think your arguing with 3 year old or retarded person then your 3 yr old retarded yourself , and plz hunny dont start pretending all straight among all people in this forum cuz you and i know thats not true you closet flaming faggot yourself :loser: why not just give it up and thats that ....

[bottomXOslave]

I'm going to add that to your "ass is ass" comment and file them both under the heading "Prison Wisdom".

Am glad i thought you something !!! See this person is willing to learn lol

[MdR Dave]

If I may ask, what's your first language?

[Ben]

Now back to business. I've kept Ben from Andrej Pejic for too long. Here ya go buddy. Enjoy!

Ha ha ha! Thanks JPH....
And: a few more of the too hot Andrej Pejic....
I'm curious, of course, about his schlong size -- :)

[amberskyi]

Lol @ y'all calling him flamingly gay in a thread dedicated to a boy in a dress.

[Tayla]

if he doesnt start with hormones soon, he will end up being quite a freak. he is quite tall, at 6feet2, and that doesnt help him a bit.. he will become too masculine to soon, and end up being just another gay man who wanted to be a girl..

[danthepoetman]

Lol @ y'all calling him flamingly gay in a thread dedicated to a boy in a dress.
Didn’t you see this other thread, lovely Amber? The guy demands that we desire his ass under the pretext that we’re all “closet fags” (his words) and that “an ass is an ass”. To him, there is no such thing as a transsexual woman: we are all gay on this forum, every t-woman and every guy… See the thread in question. It speaks for itself:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=70517
In the end, I believe this bottomOXslave is a little slow, unfortunately. But simultaneously, Freud would say he’s so full of contained shit he must fart all day, so much so I now personally believe in reincarnation: I’m sure he’s coming back as a bag pipe…

[Ben]

if he doesnt start with hormones soon, he will end up being quite a freak. he is quite tall, at 6feet2, and that doesnt help him a bit.. he will become too masculine to soon, and end up being just another gay man who wanted to be a girl..

Can't see that happening.... He's just that good looking.
Anyway, here's an interesting pic of AP...

[Ben]

Plus he could simply do so-called male modeling. Instead of androgyny modeling, as it were.

[Merkurie]

if he doesnt start with hormones soon, he will end up being quite a freak. he is quite tall, at 6feet2, and that doesnt help him a bit.. he will become too masculine to soon, and end up being just another gay man who wanted to be a girl..

I think Tayla is right.
Andrej may or may not be a transsexual woman, but he ain't no regular gay dude either.

[bottomXOslave]

Thats true that bitch is going to a muscular by the time he hits 26 to 28 / early 30's nature will decide for him srry no more fem, y'all are going to start looking back and feel gay and shit to cover it up but at end she''ll be MY home girl if he transition will be two clock TS 'S ... btw my name is TV nancy plan on hormones soon ...

[Ben]

if he doesnt start with hormones soon, he will end up being quite a freak. he is quite tall, at 6feet2, and that doesnt help him a bit.. he will become too masculine to soon, and end up being just another gay man who wanted to be a girl..

The same, I guess, would apply to Stav Strashko and a whole host of so-called fem male models....

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[amberskyi]

Didn’t you see this other thread, lovely Amber? The guy demands that we desire his ass under the pretext that we’re all “closet fags” (his words) and that “an ass is an ass”. To him, there is no such thing as a transsexual woman: we are all gay on this forum, every t-woman and every guy… See the thread in question. It speaks for itself:
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=70517
In the end, I believe this bottomOXslave is a little slow, unfortunately. But simultaneously, Freud would say he’s so full of contained shit he must fart all day, so much so I now personally believe in reincarnation: I’m sure he’s coming back as a bag pipe…

you said a few comments ago if you picked Andrej you would fuck him, i'm sorry but that does sound a bit gay to me.I don't really think xobottom is to far off in his thinking.look at the fem boy thread lol.can you really fault him for drawing that conclusion

[GrimFusion]

If you think your arguing with 3 year old or retarded person then your 3 yr old retarded yourself , and plz hunny dont start pretending all straight among all people in this forum cuz you and i know thats not true you closet flaming faggot yourself :loser: why not just give it up and thats that ....

@BottomXOslave: Yes, there are a few bisexual, pansexual, and gay men who visit HungAngels. I'd imagine that the only reason you insist on sticking around is because your inbox is slowly filling with requests from guys who don't want to be public about it. I'd also bet that most of them aren't regular forum posters. I think JenniferParisHusband is a little off in thinking that NOBODY wants a piece of that ass you keep spamming around here.

That said, I think you've been little more than an annoyance since your second post. It seems that your only pass-time is judging other people's sexuality (as if that's your determination to make anyhow) then doing nothing but berating them with immature and low-blow insults when they reply. Why do you think JenniferParisHusband just called you a three-year-old? Hint: It's because you're acting like one. Mature people at least attempt to explain themselves before resorting to being an overzealous dickhead.

I've been talking to Dan for a while now and I couldn't care less what the dude's sexual orientation is. I could say the same for you. The difference is that he's been nothing but kind, courteous, humorous, and thought-provoking while posting on HA since he's joined. I'm sure he can defend himself quite sufficiently, but because I value his contributions to the forum, I do take offense to the snarky and insulting way you've called him out. I'm sure JenniferParisHusband feels the same way. We're not playing "Captain Save-A-ManHoe" (lol), we're rallying for each other because there's a mutual respect.

Do us all a favor and cut the attitude or you'll find replies like this to each and every single one of your posts. We might all be a lot more accepting of you if you'd simply focus on playing nice for a while.

[GrimFusion]

you said a few comments ago if you picked Andrej you would fuck him, i'm sorry but that does sound a bit gay to me.I don't really think xobottom is to far off in his thinking.look at the fem boy thread lol.can you really fault him for drawing that conclusion

So what if he is gay? Even if Dan personally denies it, BottomXOslave brought it up as an insult, not an observation. At least you have the decency not to intertwine insult into your observant post. His sexuality has no bearing on his character and Dan seems like a pretty chill guy to me either way.

[amberskyi]

So what if he is gay? Even if Dan personally denies it, BottomXOslave brought it up as an insult, not an observation. At least you have the decency not to intertwine insult into your observant post. His sexuality has no bearing on his character and Dan seems like a pretty chill guy to me either way.

i could care less about peoples sexuality.i was just commenting how silly it is to call some one a "flaming gay" in a thread dedicated to a boy...

[danthepoetman]

Thanks a lot, Grim, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your kind words.

What conclusion, Amber? that we’re all gay and that t-women are not women? Amber, please don’t turn this against me, would you. You’ll have to admit that Pejik is very feminine. And I didn’t say “I would”, I said “I don’t know how my body would react (since I’ve never been with a guy, and since the idea usually rather repulses me), but if I was to pick him up as a girl in a bar, he’s so feminine I really could have sex with him”. Besides, it was pretty much a wisecrack in the context, and I was trying to back Ben up. Here’s the complete quote: “As a matter of fact, and although you never know quite precisely how your body will react, I’m pretty sure if I was to pick him up in a bar, that I’d fuck the shit out of him (excuse the French)…”
This being said, Amber, I don’t quite understand your logic: even if I was really gay (which I would be ok with if I was), how can it be the fault of gay men if some people do not consider t-women to be women? You’re saying: “You said you would fuck Pejik, therefore how can you blame him for thinking that?” Or else, you mean that it’s ok for him to insult me, maybe? or anyone else he has insulted here? I’m really not sure I’m following you…

[GrimFusion]

i could care less about peoples sexuality.i was just commenting how silly it is to call some one a "flaming gay" in a thread dedicated to a boy...

...and you're totally right.

[amberskyi]

Thanks a lot, Grim, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your kind words.

What conclusion, Amber? that we’re all gay and that t-women are not women? Amber, please don’t turn this against me, would you. You’ll have to admit that Pejik is very feminine. And I didn’t say “I would”, I said “I don’t know how my body would react (since I’ve never been with a guy, and since the idea usually rather repulses me), but if I was to pick him up as a girl in a bar, he’s so feminine I really could have sex with him”. Besides, it was pretty much a wisecrack in the context, and I was trying to back Ben up. Here’s the complete quote: “As a matter of fact, and although you never know quite precisely how your body will react, I’m pretty sure if I was to pick him up in a bar, that I’d fuck the shit out of him (excuse the French)…”
This being said, Amber, I don’t quite understand your logic: even if I was really gay (which I would be ok with if I was), how can it be the fault of gay men if some people do not consider t-women to be women? You’re saying: “You said you would fuck Pejik, therefore how can't you blame him for thinking that?” Or else, you mean that it’s ok for him to insult me, maybe? or anyone else he has insulted here? I’m really not sure I’m following you…

i wasnt really commenting on him insulting you.i personally try to refrain from insults because i think it takes away from my argument or point that im trying to make.
im merely commenting on how some of the members think he's off base by assuming any of the men on this forum would find him attractive.its pretty obvious that some of the guys on here are into more than just trans woman (and thats okay).i also find it beyond hypocritical to call some one flaming in a thread dedicated to a boy who wears make up and dresses (he does look good doing so tho lol)
also being feminine doesnt make one a woman.in interviews Andrej has stated he doesnt feel like a woman or has any desire to become one.to me that makes him a man and to be attracted to him is to have homosexual desires/feelings.

[GrimFusion]

i wasnt really commenting on him insulting you.i personally try to refrain from insults because i think it takes away from my argument or point that im trying to make.
im merely commenting on how some of the members think he's off base by assuming any of the men on this forum would find him attractive.its pretty obvious that some of the guys on here are into more than just trans woman (and thats okay).i also find it beyond hypocritical to call some one flaming in a thread dedicated to a boy who wears make up and dresses (he does look good doing so tho lol)
also being feminine doesnt make one a woman.in interviews Andrej has stated he doesnt feel like a woman or has any desire to become one.to me that makes him a man and to be attracted to him is to have homosexual desires/feelings.

You just admitted he looked good, though. You're such a fag. :p

[amberskyi]

You just admitted he looked good, though. You're such a fag. :p

well im a woman so tech im still straight lol.im only gay when it comes to michelle rodriguez

[bottomXOslave]

@BottomXOslave: Yes, there are a few bisexual, pansexual, and gay men who visit HungAngels. I'd imagine that the only reason you insist on sticking around is because your inbox is slowly filling with requests from guys who don't want to be public about it. I'd also bet that most of them aren't regular forum posters. I think JenniferParisHusband is a little off in thinking that NOBODY wants a piece of that ass you keep spamming around here.

That said, I think you've been little more than an annoyance since your second post. It seems that your only pass-time is judging other people's sexuality (as if that's your determination to make anyhow) then doing nothing but berating them with immature and low-blow insults when they reply. Why do you think JenniferParisHusband just called you a three-year-old? Hint: It's because you're acting like one. Mature people at least attempt to explain themselves before resorting to being an overzealous dickhead.

I've been talking to Dan for a while now and I couldn't care less what the dude's sexual orientation is. I could say the same for you. The difference is that he's been nothing but kind, courteous, humorous, and thought-provoking while posting on HA since he's joined. I'm sure he can defend himself quite sufficiently, but because I value his contributions to the forum, I do take offense to the snarky and insulting way you've called him out. I'm sure JenniferParisHusband feels the same way. We're not playing "Captain Save-A-ManHoe" (lol), we're rallying for each other because there's a mutual respect.

Do us all a favor and cut the attitude or you'll find replies like this to each and every single one of your posts. We might all be a lot more accepting of you if you'd simply focus on playing nice for a while.



Talk about respect look at my thread all the insults you seem to be an unfair dickhead !!!

[bottomXOslave]

you said a few comments ago if you picked Andrej you would fuck him, i'm sorry but that does sound a bit gay to me.I don't really think xobottom is to far off in his thinking.look at the fem boy thread lol.can you really fault him for drawing that conclusion



You GO GIRL !!!! Work it

[GrimFusion]

Talk about respect look at my thread all the insults you seem to be an unfair dickhead !!!

When have you ever posted anything around here that should deserve you respect? You outta work on that.

[Merkurie]

The same, I guess, would apply to Stav Strashko and a whole host of so-called fem male models....

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Yep. Stav will be a scary queen in about 20 years. Or he will butch up like most of the other "pretty boys" do.

However, now that the Benjamin standards seem to be passe' perhaps fem guys may choose HRT to retain their femininity, depending on how important it is to them.

Femme bois are not really that popular with gay men, so its interesting how these threads tend to evolve into gay slagging.

[amberskyi]

Yep. Stav will be a scary queen in about 20 years. Or he will butch up like most of the other "pretty boys" do.

However, now that the Benjamin standards seem to be passe' perhaps fem guys may choose HRT to retain their femininity, depending on how important it is to them.

Femme bois are not really that popular with gay men, so its interesting how these threads tend to evolve into gay slagging.

lol and how would you know that? i know quite a few fem boys and they have no problem attracting other gay men.who do you think they would attract? staright men lol.

[Merkurie]

Attract straight men?
Surely not.

[amberskyi]

Attract straight men?
Surely not.

thats the point im making hun lol

[bottomXOslave]

Pretend that the fashion industry doesn't call the shots for you personally and you can actually see someone and be attracted to that person on your own. I don't know Andrej and I'll never meet him. I don't care if he emulates anyone else or if I should compare him with anyone from the past, present or future. I could give two shits if someone wants to find a way to diminish him or find a reason to "not hold him in adulation". I have no problem liking Andrej Pejic. He is beautiful. I like thinking about how beautiful he is. I don't worry about if I like boys or girls. He transcends all that bullshit.

Your a fem boy , twink / cd / into men / unfinish transitioned ts lover awwww :Bowdown:

[GrimFusion]

Your a fem boy , twink / cd / into men / unfinish transitioned ts lover awwww :Bowdown:

...and you're a judgmental dolt. Your point? Don't answer that. You don't have a point to make.

[JenniferParisHusband]

Lol @ y'all calling him flamingly gay in a thread dedicated to a boy in a dress.

Amber, I don't know if you'd been following his posts around here. He tends to call people like Dan, gay, as an insult. Not just here, other posts as well. I'm not calling him that as an insult to him, it's to point out the fact that he is using it as a slur, when he himself is in fact begging men to plug him, half of his posts are stereotypically gay. It is his attack on others when it is clearly him who is insulted by who he is. Psychologists call it transferance. And it's seperate from someone liking Andrej Pejic. That's a really simplistic way to look at it.

The greater argument, which I've seen on this site way too many times to argue over here, is this whole notion of "a boy in a dress" and whether or not someone is gay for liking someone like you. There are men on here who would make the exact same argument about you. I believe FreddieGomez has about others on here. Amber, are you a boy in a dress? I don't think so, and I would never call you that. Yet, you do have a penis, and wear dresses. Do you see yourself as a woman or a boy in a dress? I'm guessing not. I'm guessing you aren't wearing a bra for giggles or because someone is paying you to do so. I'm thinking its because there's something inside of you that identifies yourself and female. Do you really and truly believe that all the men on here who are interested in you sexually want to go home and watch gay porn, or pick up guys on the side? There's a scale to things that isn't black and white on here. When does someone just stop being a guy who is fem and become a trannsexual? Most of the women on here can't give a consistent answer to it. If a woman in transition doesn't have her implants, is she just a gay guy in a dress?

The greater point to this, with very few exceptions that I've seen among the guys, there's a greater femine quality that has to be present. It can't just be a guy in a skirt, otherwise there'd be a thousand Braveheart posts dedicated to Mel Gibson. That Prince Flackoo guy, Ben likes him and posts a lot of photos, Ben is unique on here among the people I've seen. and that's cool. If someone went after Ben like that, I'd stand up and defend Ben too. But I think Ben is the exception. I lurked for many a year before taking a more active role on here. You don't see many other guys posting Flackoo. He doesn't have that fem quality. Andrej has it, he may not identify himself that way, but he gives it off and certainly trades on his ability to do so. It doesn't matter what Pejic thinks, it's what the person viewing him thinks. That is what I'd say, and I stand by this, 99% of the men on here who do appreciate him, like about him. It's why I say, and stand by the fact, that the overwhelming majority of men on here identify as straight. They don't want a male porn star, they want something that has that female quality.

So go ahead and laugh if you want. But that idiot calling Dan gay is like someone calling you a guy in a dress. It was meant to be mean, a slur, and it was meant to offend. And if someone on here ever did that to you, I'd take offense at that too and tee off and the jerk just as I did here. As much as the petty arguments on here seem to always come to the surface, the fact is that this is a community where we support each other because of a common thing that most of the people outside of here look down on with scorn and shame. If an idiot is going to come in here and spread hate, I don't want him here. That's what Bottom did. I stand my decision to rip him a new one.

[JenniferParisHusband]

Oh, and I put him on the ignore list. I suggest the rest of you do the same.

[GrimFusion]

Amber, I don't know if you'd been following his posts around here. He tends to call people like Dan, gay, as an insult. Not just here, other posts as well. I'm not calling him that as an insult to him, it's to point out the fact that he is using it as a slur, when he himself is in fact begging men to plug him, half of his posts are stereotypically gay. It is his attack on others when it is clearly him who is insulted by who he is. Psychologists call it transferance. And it's seperate from someone liking Andrej Pejic. That's a really simplistic way to look at it.

The greater argument, which I've seen on this site way too many times to argue over here, is this whole notion of "a boy in a dress" and whether or not someone is gay for liking someone like you. There are men on here who would make the exact same argument about you. I believe FreddieGomez has about others on here. Amber, are you a boy in a dress? I don't think so, and I would never call you that. Yet, you do have a penis, and wear dresses. Do you see yourself as a woman or a boy in a dress? I'm guessing not. I'm guessing you aren't wearing a bra for giggles or because someone is paying you to do so. I'm thinking its because there's something inside of you that identifies yourself and female. Do you really and truly believe that all the men on here who are interested in you sexually want to go home and watch gay porn, or pick up guys on the side? There's a scale to things that isn't black and white on here. When does someone just stop being a guy who is fem and become a trannsexual? Most of the women on here can't give a consistent answer to it. If a woman in transition doesn't have her implants, is she just a gay guy in a dress?

The greater point to this, with very few exceptions that I've seen among the guys, there's a greater femine quality that has to be present. It can't just be a guy in a skirt, otherwise there'd be a thousand Braveheart posts dedicated to Mel Gibson. That Prince Flackoo guy, Ben likes him and posts a lot of photos, Ben is unique on here among the people I've seen. and that's cool. If someone went after Ben like that, I'd stand up and defend Ben too. But I think Ben is the exception. I lurked for many a year before taking a more active role on here. You don't see many other guys posting Flackoo. He doesn't have that fem quality. Andrej has it, he may not identify himself that way, but he gives it off and certainly trades on his ability to do so. It doesn't matter what Pejic thinks, it's what the person viewing him thinks. That is what I'd say, and I stand by this, 99% of the men on here who do appreciate him, like about him. It's why I say, and stand by the fact, that the overwhelming majority of men on here identify as straight. They don't want a male porn star, they want something that has that female quality.

So go ahead and laugh if you want. But that idiot calling Dan gay is like someone calling you a guy in a dress. It was meant to be mean, a slur, and it was meant to offend. And if someone on here ever did that to you, I'd take offense at that too and tee off and the jerk just as I did here. As much as the petty arguments on here seem to always come to the surface, the fact is that this is a community where we support each other because of a common thing that most of the people outside of here look down on with scorn and shame. If an idiot is going to come in here and spread hate, I don't want him here. That's what Bottom did. I stand my decision to rip him a new one.

I don't mean to be rude, and I do have mad respect for you man, but;
Dur, hur, hur! Hello, Captain Obvious.

The only thing I don't really agree with is that gender assumption should be 100% up to you. If Andre considers himself a man, I doubt he'd appreciate other dudes calling him a chick. I'm sure that's something he's grown a bit accustomed to, but what he'll put up with and what he prefers are likely two different things.

[jamiethewild]

...I just don't have the interest. The fashion industry thrives on being cutting edge and "oddballness", and this person is the oddball de jour. The only reason he thrives today is because he looks so much like the current crop of very tall, very thin models, who have a very androgynous presentation, and are mostly from Eastern Europe ( as he is), but with the added twist of being male. He is certainly not something that any transwomen I know hold in adulation.

Lets play a game, shall we...let's look at a couple of youtube videos from the early 90's, with real women whose presentation defined femininity for that time. The great Queens and transwomen of the era sought to emulate these gorgeous females, and something has been lost since then, I think...ask a transwoman of today if she would like to look like Andrej or Christy Turlington...

Marc Jacobs for Perry Ellis spring/summer 1992 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBlUNv-gh5A)

Marc Jacobs for Perry Ellis spring/summer 1992 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32WorKCOVY)

I feel ya on this !!!

[jamiethewild]

Damn look at this bottomXO sissifying this thread /forum ... take a chill pill and smell the coffee ... TS Forum not gay forum

[GrimFusion]

Damn look at this bottomXO sissifying this thread /forum ... take a chill pill and smell the coffee ... TS Forum not gay forum

That's what we've all been saying. Shit doesn't get through, though; that's the problem. BottomXO is obsessed about who's secretly gay and who isn't. That's true blue desperation to get dicked if I've ever seen it. Desperation stinks.

[amberskyi]

Amber, I don't know if you'd been following his posts around here. He tends to call people like Dan, gay, as an insult. Not just here, other posts as well. I'm not calling him that as an insult to him, it's to point out the fact that he is using it as a slur, when he himself is in fact begging men to plug him, half of his posts are stereotypically gay. It is his attack on others when it is clearly him who is insulted by who he is. Psychologists call it transferance. And it's seperate from someone liking Andrej Pejic. That's a really simplistic way to look at it.

The greater argument, which I've seen on this site way too many times to argue over here, is this whole notion of "a boy in a dress" and whether or not someone is gay for liking someone like you. There are men on here who would make the exact same argument about you. I believe FreddieGomez has about others on here. Amber, are you a boy in a dress? I don't think so, and I would never call you that. Yet, you do have a penis, and wear dresses. Do you see yourself as a woman or a boy in a dress? I'm guessing not. I'm guessing you aren't wearing a bra for giggles or because someone is paying you to do so. I'm thinking its because there's something inside of you that identifies yourself and female. Do you really and truly believe that all the men on here who are interested in you sexually want to go home and watch gay porn, or pick up guys on the side? There's a scale to things that isn't black and white on here. When does someone just stop being a guy who is fem and become a trannsexual? Most of the women on here can't give a consistent answer to it. If a woman in transition doesn't have her implants, is she just a gay guy in a dress?

The greater point to this, with very few exceptions that I've seen among the guys, there's a greater femine quality that has to be present. It can't just be a guy in a skirt, otherwise there'd be a thousand Braveheart posts dedicated to Mel Gibson. That Prince Flackoo guy, Ben likes him and posts a lot of photos, Ben is unique on here among the people I've seen. and that's cool. If someone went after Ben like that, I'd stand up and defend Ben too. But I think Ben is the exception. I lurked for many a year before taking a more active role on here. You don't see many other guys posting Flackoo. He doesn't have that fem quality. Andrej has it, he may not identify himself that way, but he gives it off and certainly trades on his ability to do so. It doesn't matter what Pejic thinks, it's what the person viewing him thinks. That is what I'd say, and I stand by this, 99% of the men on here who do appreciate him, like about him. It's why I say, and stand by the fact, that the overwhelming majority of men on here identify as straight. They don't want a male porn star, they want something that has that female quality.

So go ahead and laugh if you want. But that idiot calling Dan gay is like someone calling you a guy in a dress. It was meant to be mean, a slur, and it was meant to offend. And if someone on here ever did that to you, I'd take offense at that too and tee off and the jerk just as I did here. As much as the petty arguments on here seem to always come to the surface, the fact is that this is a community where we support each other because of a common thing that most of the people outside of here look down on with scorn and shame. If an idiot is going to come in here and spread hate, I don't want him here. That's what Bottom did. I stand my decision to rip him a new one.

regardless of where a trans woman is in her transition she is a woman regardless because thats how she feels.being a trans woman is much more than looking feminine. femininity shouldnt be confused with womanliness. its a certain essence,vibe,demeanor or what ever you want to call it that some one who isnt a woman isnt going to have no matter how fem.people can call me a boy in a dress if they like but i know who i am.i know the nights ive cried myself to sleep cause i wanted nothing else than to have my body reflect the woman i knew i was meant to be.regardless of the fact that i have a penis there are men who recognize the woman inside of me and is attracted to that and to me those men are straight.there are men who are attracted to the cock on a ts woman more than anything but im not going to shoot myself in that face by going in to that lol
im not here to judge people or put anyone down.im just stating the facts. andrej is a man,he considers himself to be male.so to find him attractive is to have homosexual feelings and desires (i dont think theres anything wrong with that).i feel the same way about men who are attracted to crossdressers (not to be confused with early transitioners or ts woman who are just dressing up for the first time) and tv's. at the end of the day its a man.
these are just my feelings on the matter and shouldnt be confused with judgment.

[jamiethewild]

That's what we've all been saying. Shit doesn't get through, though; that's the problem. BottomXO is obsessed about who's secretly gay and who isn't. That's true blue desperation to get dicked if I've ever seen it. Desperation stinks.

Hahaha i know .... this bitch needs relax go elsewhere he'll be a freak among many men in here / real world haven't been reading much but sure looks like it . as i read more... reminds of a mental dude that no has brain just thinks of cocks 24/7 hiding on the lockers like a sissy wanting some but never does get it hahah eww ...

[danthepoetman]

Damn look at this bottomXO sissifying this thread /forum ... take a chill pill and smell the coffee ... TS Forum not gay forum
Jesus! thank you, Jamie. A down to earth, grounded lady with great common sense who tell things the way they are!
None of this really has anything to do whatsoever with Andrej Pejik. He’s just a model for whom we have some admiration because of his feminine qualities, whether by the way, we recognize them or not. And nobody is pretending, as far as I know, that he’s a woman: that’s ridiculous. You just have someone here who’s mixing everything, and insulting everyone, and who in the end, implicitly denies the fact that t-women are women by considering everyone here gay. Which is utterly fucking absurd (excuse my French once again)!!!!

[JenniferParisHusband]

regardless of where a trans woman is in her transition she is a woman regardless because thats how she feels.being a trans woman is much more than looking feminine. femininity shouldnt be confused with womanliness. its a certain essence,vibe,demeanor or what ever you want to call it that some one who isnt a woman isnt going to have no matter how fem.people can call me a boy in a dress if they like but i know who i am.i know the nights ive cried myself to sleep cause i wanted nothing else than to have my body reflect the woman i knew i was meant to be.regardless of the fact that i have a penis there are men who recognize the woman inside of me and is attracted to that and to me those men are straight.there are men who are attracted to the cock on a ts woman more than anything but im not going to shoot myself in that face by going in to that lol
im not here to judge people or put anyone down.im just stating the facts. andrej is a man,he considers himself to be male.so to find him attractive is to have homosexual feelings and desires (i dont think theres anything wrong with that).i feel the same way about men who are attracted to crossdressers (not to be confused with early transitioners or ts woman who are just dressing up for the first time) and tv's. at the end of the day its a man.
these are just my feelings on the matter and shouldnt be confused with judgment.

I can respect that. Thanks for the honest words.

[danthepoetman]

Amber, I don't know if you'd been following his posts around here. He tends to call people like Dan, gay, as an insult. Not just here, other posts as well. I'm not calling him that as an insult to him, it's to point out the fact that he is using it as a slur, when he himself is in fact begging men to plug him, half of his posts are stereotypically gay. It is his attack on others when it is clearly him who is insulted by who he is. Psychologists call it transferance. And it's seperate from someone liking Andrej Pejic. That's a really simplistic way to look at it.

The greater argument, which I've seen on this site way too many times to argue over here, is this whole notion of "a boy in a dress" and whether or not someone is gay for liking someone like you. There are men on here who would make the exact same argument about you. I believe FreddieGomez has about others on here. Amber, are you a boy in a dress? I don't think so, and I would never call you that. Yet, you do have a penis, and wear dresses. Do you see yourself as a woman or a boy in a dress? I'm guessing not. I'm guessing you aren't wearing a bra for giggles or because someone is paying you to do so. I'm thinking its because there's something inside of you that identifies yourself and female. Do you really and truly believe that all the men on here who are interested in you sexually want to go home and watch gay porn, or pick up guys on the side? There's a scale to things that isn't black and white on here. When does someone just stop being a guy who is fem and become a trannsexual? Most of the women on here can't give a consistent answer to it. If a woman in transition doesn't have her implants, is she just a gay guy in a dress?

The greater point to this, with very few exceptions that I've seen among the guys, there's a greater femine quality that has to be present. It can't just be a guy in a skirt, otherwise there'd be a thousand Braveheart posts dedicated to Mel Gibson. That Prince Flackoo guy, Ben likes him and posts a lot of photos, Ben is unique on here among the people I've seen. and that's cool. If someone went after Ben like that, I'd stand up and defend Ben too. But I think Ben is the exception. I lurked for many a year before taking a more active role on here. You don't see many other guys posting Flackoo. He doesn't have that fem quality. Andrej has it, he may not identify himself that way, but he gives it off and certainly trades on his ability to do so. It doesn't matter what Pejic thinks, it's what the person viewing him thinks. That is what I'd say, and I stand by this, 99% of the men on here who do appreciate him, like about him. It's why I say, and stand by the fact, that the overwhelming majority of men on here identify as straight. They don't want a male porn star, they want something that has that female quality.

So go ahead and laugh if you want. But that idiot calling Dan gay is like someone calling you a guy in a dress. It was meant to be mean, a slur, and it was meant to offend. And if someone on here ever did that to you, I'd take offense at that too and tee off and the jerk just as I did here. As much as the petty arguments on here seem to always come to the surface, the fact is that this is a community where we support each other because of a common thing that most of the people outside of here look down on with scorn and shame. If an idiot is going to come in here and spread hate, I don't want him here. That's what Bottom did. I stand my decision to rip him a new one.


regardless of where a trans woman is in her transition she is a woman regardless because thats how she feels.being a trans woman is much more than looking feminine. femininity shouldnt be confused with womanliness. its a certain essence,vibe,demeanor or what ever you want to call it that some one who isnt a woman isnt going to have no matter how fem.people can call me a boy in a dress if they like but i know who i am.i know the nights ive cried myself to sleep cause i wanted nothing else than to have my body reflect the woman i knew i was meant to be.regardless of the fact that i have a penis there are men who recognize the woman inside of me and is attracted to that and to me those men are straight.there are men who are attracted to the cock on a ts woman more than anything but im not going to shoot myself in that face by going in to that lol
im not here to judge people or put anyone down.im just stating the facts. andrej is a man,he considers himself to be male.so to find him attractive is to have homosexual feelings and desires (i dont think theres anything wrong with that).i feel the same way about men who are attracted to crossdressers (not to be confused with early transitioners or ts woman who are just dressing up for the first time) and tv's. at the end of the day its a man.
these are just my feelings on the matter and shouldnt be confused with judgment.
Beautifully put, and absolutely accurate, in my opinion, JPH.
Amber, I’ve heard Pejik talked about himself a few times. And that’s precisely where the problem emerges. He says he wasn’t happy with his look as a male, and that he constructed himself a look on his own. He insist that the look he has is not a look imposed on him by the fashion industry, but his creation, the look he wanted to have in his daily life. It seems he was discovered with this look, in a McDonald’s or what have you, by an agent of some kind. He doesn’t define himself as male. He constantly repeats that he doesn’t believe in genres anymore, he doesn’t believe that there is a line to be drawn between men and women. I don’t personally agree with that. But you have to respect the concept, and you have to admit he doesn’t exactly fit the straight definition of a “man”. Now the femininity he is trying to exploit on himself you might like or dislike, but it is there, it’s obvious and even striking to say the least. That we would find a thread on him on this forum shouldn’t be surprising then, isn’t it? And some other models are adopting the same kind of attitude. JPH’s argument is very valid: why would you draw a line? Why would you think you have the key to what gay is or isn’t? Pejik doesn’t seem to consider himself a woman, but he doesn’t consider himself a man either…
JPH’s point is ultimately that men on this forum recognize, against a large majority of people in our society (who are doing exactly that, judging), t-women to be women, and that most express a real admiration not only for t-women’s beauty, but also for your courage and dedication. We all consider t-women to be women to the fullest extent, and we all (or almost all) have desire for femininity, not virility (brrrr!). By his slurs, bottomguy is implying the opposite, he’s implying that you aren’t women and that we are all gay; and therefore, that there is no reason for us not to have desire for him, who’s so obviously a gay man! And moreover, he insults us because we don’t! It doesn’t have anything to do with Pejik precisely. It’s because we are not gay that he insults us! This is why your reaction seemed a little strange to me too. Your equation “interest for Pejik”=”gay desire”, just doesn’t make sense, and doesn’t define this bottomguy’s attitude in the least bit either, on the contrary… Understand that I’m saying all this to you only with the greatest respect. I understand your feelings as a woman and I respect them; but you have to understand where we’re coming from in all of this. Please!

[Merkurie]

Physical attractiveness is objective, external.
Gender identity is subjective, internal.
People being attracted to Andrej for his feminine beauty should be obvious. He dos'nt give off a lot of obvious masculinity. And as a couture model he earns a living projecting the current high fashion ideal of beauty. That is his trade and its not surprising for men to be attracted to that.

That is objective attraction. If you hung out with Andrej he may completely turn the men off if he has no "essence" of femininity" in person. There are otherwise attractive gentic women who are so unfeminine they are also a turn off.

What Andrej's gender identity is is subjective, internal. And frankly take with a grain of salt anything from Andrej because I have heard him say basically everything about his gender identity and it is different nearly every time. But remember creating that confusion is Andrej's meal ticket.

[amberskyi]

Beautifully put, and absolutely accurate, in my opinion, JPH.
Amber, I’ve heard Pejik talked about himself a few times. And that’s precisely where the problem emerges. He says he wasn’t happy with his look as a male, and that he constructed himself a look on his own. He insist that the look he has is not a look imposed on him by the fashion industry, but his creation, the look he wanted to have in his daily life. It seems he was discovered with this look, in a McDonald’s or what have you, by an agent of some kind. He doesn’t define himself as male. He constantly repeats that he doesn’t believe in genres anymore, he doesn’t believe that there is a line to be drawn between men and women. I don’t personally agree with that. But you have to respect the concept, and you have to admit he doesn’t exactly fit the straight definition of a “man”. Now the femininity he is trying to exploit on himself you might like or dislike, but it is there, it’s obvious and even striking to say the least. That we would find a thread on him on this forum shouldn’t be surprising then, isn’t it? And some other models are adopting the same kind of attitude. JPH’s argument is very valid: why would you draw a line? Why would you think you have the key to what gay is or isn’t? Pejik doesn’t seem to consider himself a woman, but he doesn’t consider himself a man either…
JPH’s point is ultimately that men on this forum recognize, against a large majority of people in our society (who are doing exactly that, judging), t-women to be women, and that most express a real admiration not only for t-women’s beauty, but also for your courage and dedication. We all consider t-women to be women to the fullest extent, and we all (or almost all) have desire for femininity, not virility (brrrr!). By his slurs, bottomguy is implying the opposite, he’s implying that you aren’t women and that we are all gay; and therefore, that there is no reason for us not to have desire for him, who’s so obviously a gay man! And moreover, he insults us because we don’t! It doesn’t have anything to do with Pejik precisely. It’s because we are not gay that he insults us! This is why your reaction seemed a little strange to me too. Your equation “interest for Pejik”=”gay desire”, just doesn’t make sense, and doesn’t define this bottomguy’s attitude in the least bit either, on the contrary… Understand that I’m saying all this to you only with the greatest respect. I understand your feelings as a woman and I respect them; but you have to understand where we’re coming from in all of this. Please!

you do notice that your using male pronouns while talking about him right lol.like the poster underneath you said (merkurie i think it is) i have seen him talk about himself and his gender in variety of conflicting and confusing ways but feeling like a woman was something he's never expressed.
i think alot of what society thinks about trans woman is what they are exposed to in the media.they see people like Andrej, rupauls drag race and jerry springer and think thats what being trans is all about.on some part i think the porn industry is also responsible for what people think about trans woman as well. we're not exactly represented as woman who want nothing other than to live their lives as woman but as inbetweeners, confused and comical.i personally dont have anything against Andrej (i think he's gorgeous) or the men attracted to him.im just not going to pretend that being attracted to him is the same as being attracted to me or that its hetrosexual to be into him.
im not calling anyone names or trying to put anyone down.i respect how you and others may feel about it.i feel how i fell and im not going to change my mind.i think i expressed my opinion in an intelligent and respectful manner.i really dont have much else to say on the matter.

[jamiethewild]

Jesus! thank you, Jamie. A down to earth, grounded lady with great common sense who tell things the way they are!
None of this really has anything to do whatsoever with Andrej Pejik. He’s just a model for whom we have some admiration because of his feminine qualities, whether by the way, we recognize them or not. And nobody is pretending, as far as I know, that he’s a woman: that’s ridiculous. You just have someone here who’s mixing everything, and insulting everyone, and who in the end, implicitly denies the fact that t-women are women by considering everyone here gay. Which is utterly fucking absurd (excuse my French once again)!!!!

Dan your a very nice and chill guy here in this forum and i have respect for you, you seem to be a very understanding towards the TS community and support us when we have conflicts with people here that don't see us as woman and thank you for that ... I see why some men would would attracted to Andre he does resemble feminity and i respect the fact that you compliment him but NO transwoman looks up to him that am aware of.... Thats ridiculous he (bottomXO) thinks everyone here is gay i read all the insults he got here that just says how much this forum is pretty straight lol i make sure to hunt him down till he leaves;) , Thank you for sweet commits dan..

[danthepoetman]

But Amber, you completely ignore the second part of my post, that you nonetheless quoted completely. I can’t believe that you don’t get my point, here! Pejik is not the point! And I’m starting to suspect that something is really not right in your interventions… I mean, what is this? are you just trying to prove you’re right? Let me just quote myself again:

JPH’s point is ultimately that men on this forum recognize, against a large majority of people in our society (who are doing exactly that, judging), t-women to be women, and that most express a real admiration not only for t-women’s beauty, but also for your courage and dedication. We all consider t-women to be women to the fullest extent, and we all (or almost all) have desire for femininity, not virility (brrrr!). By his slurs, bottomguy is implying the opposite, he’s implying that you aren’t women and that we are all gay; and therefore, that there is no reason for us not to have desire for him, who’s so obviously a gay man! And moreover, he insults us because we don’t! It doesn’t have anything to do with Pejik precisely. It’s because we are not gay that he insults us! This is why your reaction seemed a little strange to me too. Your equation “interest for Pejik”=”gay desire”, just doesn’t make sense, and doesn’t define this bottomguy’s attitude in the least bit either, on the contrary… Understand that I’m saying all this to you only with the greatest respect. I understand your feelings as a woman and I respect them; but you have to understand where we’re coming from in all of this. Please!
Now let me be clear on one thing, Amber, whatever you think and feel like, if I am gay, that definitely means that you are a man in a dress. There is no way around this. I’m a top guy, I don’t take it up the ass, and I’ve always been clear on this. If I am gay to you, you are saying implicitly about yourself (you understand the meaning of the word?), no matter how much you twist your logic, that you are a man. Either I’m gay and you’re a man, or either you’re a woman, but I’m not gay. No way around this, no matter what you think about Pejik or anybody.
And I would like to add one more thing: by giving into this bottomguy’s logic, you gave him credibility, which is not very sensible to say the least. But hey! fine: at this point, I personally don’t care anymore…

[danthepoetman]

Dan your a very nice and chill guy here in this forum and i have respect for you, you seem to be a very understanding towards the TS community and support us when we have conflicts with people here that don't see us as woman and thank you for that ... I see why some men would would attracted to Andre he does resemble feminity and i respect the fact that you compliment him but NO transwoman looks up to him that am aware of.... Thats ridiculous he (bottomXO) thinks everyone here is gay i read all the insults he got here that just says how much this forum is pretty straight lol i make sure to hunt him down till he leaves;) , Thank you for sweet commits dan..
Exactly, Jamie. You seem to understand completely what this is about! Pejik is unimportant; it’s an excuse. So no: let me thank you once again. You impress me with your good sense. You’re a down to earth lady and obviously, no one can fool you… ;)

[jamiethewild]

you do notice that your using male pronouns while talking about him right lol.like the poster underneath you said (merkurie i think it is) i have seen him talk about himself and his gender in variety of conflicting and confusing ways but feeling like a woman was something he's never expressed.
i think alot of what society thinks about trans woman is what they are exposed to in the media.they see people like Andrej, rupauls drag race and jerry springer and think thats what being trans is all about.on some part i think the porn industry is also responsible for what people think about trans woman as well. we're not exactly represented as woman who want nothing other than to live their lives as woman but as inbetweeners, confused and comical.i personally dont have anything against Andrej (i think he's gorgeous) or the men attracted to him.im just not going to pretend that being attracted to him is the same as being attracted to me or that its hetrosexual to be into him.
im not calling anyone names or trying to put anyone down.i respect how you and others may feel about it.i feel how i fell and im not going to change my mind.i think i expressed my opinion in an intelligent and respectful manner.i really dont have much else to say on the matter.

:iagree: media likes to give misrepresentation what Transgender woman is about that ... thats where people in life base they logic and people start making assumptions of what transwomen is about , however any guys in here completing Andre might have me ?? a men's sexuality or sexual orientation
and can be tricky to decide on other hand androgynous does fall into the transgender umbrella since transgender can be ts /cd/tv/dragqueen/ androgynous etc !

[amberskyi]

But Amber, you completely ignore the second part of my post, that you nonetheless quoted completely. I can’t believe that you don’t get my point, here! Pejik is not the point! And I’m starting to suspect that something is really not right in your interventions… I mean, what is this? are you just trying to prove you’re right? Let me just quote myself again:

Now let me be clear on one thing, Amber, whatever you think and feel like, if I am gay, that definitely means that you are a man in a dress. There is no way around this. I’m a top guy, I don’t take it up the ass, and I’ve always been clear on this. If I am gay to you, you are saying implicitly about yourself (you understand the meaning of the word?), no matter how much you twist your logic, that you are a man. Either I’m gay and you’re a man, or either you’re a woman, but I’m not gay. No way around this, no matter what you think about Pejik or anybody.
And I would like to add one more thing: by giving into this bottomguy’s logic, you gave him credibility, which is not very sensible to say the least. But hey! fine: at this point, I personally don’t care anymore…

i dont recall calling you gay anywhere.i think your personalizing and putting words in my mouth.i can give two flying fucking trannies what you are or arent.it has no bearing on my life.stop trying to peg me as intolerant or whatever.i had an opinion and i expressed it with out name calling or pointing of fingers.leave it alone.i respect everyones opinion even if i dont agree with it.try doing the same
you may not agree with my logic but its not unclear or confusing.if the person considers themselves a woman and lives their life as a woman than they are a woman.being attracted to them is not gay.however if someone considers themselves a man no matter how pretty they are still living life as a man.
if you want to think im a man in a dress that up to you.i know one thing when my dress comes off i still look like a woman so your opinion is what ever to me lol.ive explained it time and time again the difference between a trans woman and other gender variant people.i cant keep going over this.

[GrimFusion]

I think somebody may be getting a little too over-defensive. :whistle:

[bottomXOslave]

JPH is my crush guy lol

[Tika]

Pejic pics or shut the fuck up, please. Nobody cares about angsty dickwaving unless the dickwaver is super hot.

[jamiethewild]

[QUOTE=Tika;1203466]Pejic pics or shut the fuck up, please. Nobody cares about angsty dickwaving unless the dickwaver is super hot.[/QUOTE"




Actually i hope your aware the moment Pehic's thread started you should should know that discussions like this would rise throughout the thread .

[jamesedwards]

Not my type, not womanly and just to skinny for my taste

[fred41]

I think somebody may be getting a little too over-defensive. :whistle:

Yes...what an emotional thread...who'dve thunk it..lol

[danthepoetman]

Emotional, you’re right about that one, Fred -and Jamie. Personally, I find I got carried away a little and might have been a bit abrupt in the way I expressed myself towards lovely Amber, whom I respect and like a lot. I already told you that, Amber, and I want to repeat it here, I’m sorry about that.
It’s never a good thing to have an “element of discord” around, as far as I’m concerned, but I find it’s the situation here…

[TsJennifer]

Last Night on the town with my dear friend Andrej Pejic

See more Pix and videos @ HttP://www.JenniferParis.net

[JenniferParisHusband]

Last Night on the town with my dear friend Andrej Pejic

See more Pix and videos @ HttP://www.JenniferParis.net

This is funny, I'm jealous of Andrej being out with the lovely Jennifer, and Ben will be jealous of Jennifer being out with Andrej.

[Ben]

This is funny, I'm jealous of Andrej being out with the lovely Jennifer, and Ben will be jealous of Jennifer being out with Andrej.

Ha ha ha! :) Any idea if Jen knows Angrej's penis size -- ha ha! :) :) :)

[bottomXOslave]

Ha ha ha! :) Any idea if Jen knows Angrej's penis size -- ha ha! :) :) :)

I dont think jennifer would know , unless she dressed him up as MEN for the time being maybe , my guess is that twinks have big cocks .

[BarbieWoodsFan]

He is hot in this picture. I wonder what he would look like as a woman.
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=506507&stc=1&d=1348170922

[Michelle.]

WoW, I can only imagine what six months of 'mones would do for him.

[BarbieWoodsFan]

He would be hotter as a woman.

[Ben]

He would be hotter as a woman.

Well, he's completely androgynous. That's his full appeal....

[Ben]

Coupla more hot ones...

[Merkurie]

I know Andrej may ID as "completely androgynous" but he sure looks like a woman.
He should go on 'mones before he ends up looking like Vladimir Putin.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldtvs56FxN1qfz4xco1_500.jpg

[wiltthestilt]

i dont recall calling you gay anywhere.i think your personalizing and putting words in my mouth.i can give two flying fucking trannies what you are or arent.it has no bearing on my life.stop trying to peg me as intolerant or whatever.i had an opinion and i expressed it with out name calling or pointing of fingers.leave it alone.i respect everyones opinion even if i dont agree with it.try doing the same
you may not agree with my logic but its not unclear or confusing.if the person considers themselves a woman and lives their life as a woman than they are a woman.being attracted to them is not gay.however if someone considers themselves a man no matter how pretty they are still living life as a man.
if you want to think im a man in a dress that up to you.i know one thing when my dress comes off i still look like a woman so your opinion is what ever to me lol.ive explained it time and time again the difference between a trans woman and other gender variant people.i cant keep going over this.

How someone "feels" about themselves as no bearing at all on the sexuality of the person who finds them attractive. Pejic, when in make-up, (arguably) looks more like the archetypal beautiful female than anyone on this board. But he is male, whether in his mind he is a girl or not; whether he is attracted to other men or not; whether he wears female clothing on weekends or not. Pejic could wipe off his make-up, don a pair of blue jeans and flannel shirt, and go skirt chasing at the local pub during his time off, and that would have no bearing whatsoever on the sexuality of those who want make out with him when he's in full drag.

Strictly speaking, if an otherwise straight male who has no idea who Pejic is were checking him out at a gas pump and getting turned on, it can be said that the man is having homosexual desires because the object of his desire is another man. This is a trivial point, because anyone can be attracted to a member of his or her own sex under some set of circumstances, even if these circumstances are extremely rare. To deny that is ridiculous. The question isn't whether the impulse is homosexual, but whether it is normal among heterosexual men to find a man like Pejic sexually attractive based on the limited information available to them.

I would argue that it is no less "gay" to be attracted to female transsexual than it is to be attracted to Pejic. A transsexual female is, objectively, biologically, male as well. She has a Y chromosome. She cannot give birth, and does not possess the organs necessary for another human to grow within her. From a biological standpoint, she is male and to be attracted to her is homosexual.

Since humans have long progressed beyond having sex for the purposes of reproduction, it hardly matter who one fucks, and biological definitions having given way to more malleable social definitions. And these social definitions of "male" and "female;" "gay" and "straight" can be rationalized to no end and to me are frivolous and not worth arguing over. I will say when some here try to draw some bright-line distinction between attraction to Pejic and attraction to the Grooby girl of the week--this is distinction that has very little objective evidence supporting it, and would be laughable to most outside this community and to many within it.

[Merkurie]

I would argue that it is no less "gay" to be attracted to female transsexual than it is to be attracted to Pejic. A transsexual female is, objectively, biologically, male as well. She has a Y chromosome. She cannot give birth, and does not possess the organs necessary for another human to grow within her. From a biological standpoint, she is male and to be attracted to her is homosexual.

That does not make any sense.The attraction of a "straight" male to a female is not homosexual if that male perceives and is attracted to the female that he sees. Regardless of "what she is biologically". He may opt out of the sex act to preserve his "straightness", but the initial attraction to a subjective female cannot be "gay" regardless of biology because this "straight male" is perceiving a person of a different gender than himself.

For instance, if Emma Watson rolled out of bed one morning to get gas wearing sweats and a flannel shirt. And a gay man was attracted to the "young male" person he sees, does the fact Emma has a vag, make that gay man's attraction straight?
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/09/28/0928-emma-watson-ex-wm-tmz-credit.jpg
Of course not.

[wiltthestilt]

That does not make any sense.The attraction of a "straight" male to a female is not homosexual if that male perceives and is attracted to the female that he sees. Regardless of "what she is biologically". He may opt out of the sex act to preserve his "straightness", but the initial attraction to a subjective female cannot be "gay" regardless of biology because this "straight male" is perceiving a person of a different gender than himself.

For instance, if Emma Watson rolled out of bed one morning to get gas wearing sweats and a flannel shirt. And a gay man was attracted to the "young male" person he sees, does the fact Emma has a vag, make that gay man's attraction straight?
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/09/28/0928-emma-watson-ex-wm-tmz-credit.jpg
Of course not.

It does make sense. You just need to think more about it. If a male is attracted to another male, that is by definition homosexual. I shouldn't have used the word "gay." I would edit that if I could. It doesn't matter if that other male is a ringer of Olivia Wilde. It is a man. And I said this is a trivial point because almost any man would react the same way. The point is, anyone can be attracted to a member of the same sex under some set of circumstances.


For instance, if Emma Watson rolled out of bed one morning to get gas wearing sweats and a flannel shirt. And a gay man was attracted to the "young male" person he sees, does the fact Emma has a vag, make that gay man's attraction straight?

I don't know what a vag is, but I would say the attraction is heterosexual. Keep in mind, the biological purpose of these compulsions is to deliver the sperm to the egg. How it gets there is not important. Human compulsions can be manipulated just like compulsions in animals. But it is the compulsions that are being manipulated, not the underlying reality.

[alexandros8814]

WoW, I can only imagine what six months of 'mones would do for him.
I think he is already taking hormones. I mean, look at his tits...
http://25.media.tumblr.com/3cefd2fa7b38c51e95fbde2bc873f952/tumblr_mitio3b14L1rar94xo1_400.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/3202bc93f3b529beeefeba35faa3fb9e/tumblr_mitio3b14L1rar94xo2_400.gif

[Ben]

I think he is already taking hormones. I mean, look at his tits...
http://25.media.tumblr.com/3cefd2fa7b38c51e95fbde2bc873f952/tumblr_mitio3b14L1rar94xo1_400.gif
http://25.media.tumblr.com/3202bc93f3b529beeefeba35faa3fb9e/tumblr_mitio3b14L1rar94xo2_400.gif

It would certainly explicate his [her?] feminine/soft physical features

[Ben]

I know Andrej may ID as "completely androgynous" but he sure looks like a woman.
He should go on 'mones before he ends up looking like Vladimir Putin.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldtvs56FxN1qfz4xco1_500.jpg

Can't see him looking like Putin anytime soon....

[Merkurie]

t does make sense. You just need to think more about it. If a male is attracted to another male, that is by definition homosexual. I shouldn't have used the word "gay." I would edit that if I could. It doesn't matter if that other male is a ringer of Olivia Wilde. It is a man. And I said this is a trivial point because almost any man would react the same way. The point is, anyone can be attracted to a member of the same sex under some set of circumstances.

This person is not"male" in a biological sense.
http://www.thegavoice.com/images/stories/9-28-12/buckangel-body-9-28-12.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1390/1006736550_25a35993d7.jpg


So by your argument, a male attracted to Buck Angel is having a heterosexual attraction?
That is why your argument does not make sense. No matter how long you think about it.

[wiltthestilt]

This person is not"male" in a biological sense.
http://www.thegavoice.com/images/stories/9-28-12/buckangel-body-9-28-12.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1390/1006736550_25a35993d7.jpg


So by your argument, a male attracted to Buck Angel is having a heterosexual attraction?
That is why your argument does not make sense. No matter how long you think about it.

Maybe you ought to sleep on it then, because you still aren't getting it. The human species, for the most part, is divided into male and female. Even within that dichotomy there is some grey area, but generally reproduction occurs when the male fertilizes the female through sexual intercourse. Can we agree on that much?

It does not matter what each sex looks like externally. Males and females were not always recognizable as they are now, nor will they be recognizable as they are now in the future if the human race does not go extinct before radical change occurs.

Humans feel sexual attraction for other humans who, through sensory cues, they deem suitable to fertilize or to be fertilized by. But nature does not function perfectly, and because sex is pleasurable, humans will devote energy to finding sexual partners they feel attraction toward, but who they logically find unsuitable for procreation with. In other words, they know that their instincts are failing them (impelling them to devote energy to copulating with others with whom they do not intend to create offspring) but they proceed anyway because the sex is pleasurable.

If an otherwise straight man scopes out Pejic standing by the bar looking hot in lipstick and miniskirt, and he finds himself wanting to stick his wang in a vagina that isn't there, then yes, the attraction is objectively homosexual. He is a male and he is sexually attracted to another male. But, wait, doesn't he reasonably believe it's a female that he's oogling? Well, perhaps "reasonably" based on how a similarly situated male may feel looking at Pejic, but that does not change the reality of the situation. To say he was fooled or confused by Pejic's appearance shows only that his senses are not refined enough to distinguish between male and female when certain variables are manipulated--but this is just another way of saying that he is capable of homosexual attraction when certain circumstances are present (i.e., when the male is thin, has high cheek bones, has long hair, is dressed in traditionally female attire, ect.) As I stated, this is a trivial point. Who cares whether a heterosexual man may be fleetingly attracted to another man in an obscure case like Pejic's. I made it to illustrate the frivolity of trying to distinguish between a man being sexuality attracted to a CD such as Pejic and being sexually attracted to a TS such as say, Kimber--as neither are biologically female; but both may be appealing to an ordinarily straight man who does not also want to hook up with Ricky Martin.

As to your hypothetical regarding Buck Angel, that is more difficult case. A heterosexual man who found himself attracted to Buck Angel, but not anatomical men, could almost be said to have more refined sexual urges than a typical heterosexual man, because he is able to filter out all that ostensible masculinity to reach the underlying pussy. But Buck's appearance also screams of barrenness which pretty much negates the pussy. From the point of view of nature, a better dichotomy than gay and straight is probably fertile and infertile, because if there is no possibility of reproduction, it hardly matters where you dip your stick into a barren female, a male anus, or a hole in the wall. If you are doing it for pleasure it hardly matters what you fuck.

[Nikka]

Happy birthday Andreja!

[josehip]

yeah, happy birthday. Just saw her instagram post.

[kiaki]

woww :o

[man4tgirl4love]

love..

[Ben]

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[ILoveTransWomen]

She looks damn hot.

[marcome]

Wow!

[natina]

ARON DAVES

LOOKS GREAT and is a fem boy model

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?p=915227


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