Do "STRAIGHT" Guys Get Fucked?

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

Do straight men get Fucked?
I definitely have a unambiguous opinion....
I am a Passable Pre-op... Most of the men I have dated consider Themselves to be ” straight” men that happen to be attracted to TG women. (Society may say something different…. But Let’s save that debate for another topic).
Although ... if you’re a guy that wants 2 be fucked… I don’t think you should continue to refer to yourself as “straight” !
A lot of men ( STRAIGHT TG ADMIRES) know their place… and would never dream of being penetrated by TS or otherwise!
but I am so sick and tired of some guys trying to a date TG women, simply to throw his “ Hairy-Ass” up to be Penetrated by a TG beauty! If your going to do something as emasculating as bending over and being infiltrated…. Why not just go to a Regular Gay Man that likes to top? WHATS NEXT… YOU WANNA WEAR MY LITTLE PINK LACEY THONGS???
There is always an exception to the rule… The occasional l T-girl that is a TOP…
But why in the world would a man want 2 feel Titties on his back?.
I am a woman of color… well endowed.. and although it is a prerequisite that my man Sucks & Licks before he Sticks…
Most girls did not go through all of the trouble of Perfecting a passable Feminine Persona. To become this masculine being when we are intimate.
Treat me like a lady at all times and Don’t even bother calling yourself “STRAIGHT”” UNLESS YOU ARE ALL MAN in and out the Bedroom!
Love and Light
Priceless Princess
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[NickTheQuick]

Not again...

What size thongs do you wear btw?

[deebo]

i dont wanna get fucked :( but i would like to fucck :)

[SexxxyJade]

I have always labled all men ( TS admirers) as bi-sexual. No matter what they like to do, top, bttm or both. Tho im really not into labels, thats my theory. Bi sexual.. likeing the best of both worlds.

kisses

[LG]

It's a tired subject, Princess, but I will give you my thoughts nonetheless:

I enjoy being on both sides of the action, but I have to disagree with you here. If a man who is willing to lick a tgirls cock and then fuck her can be considered straight (and I will accept, for the sake of argument as much as anything, that he can) then why shouldn't a man who likes to be penetrated?

If this man did not consider himself straight then he would, as you say go to a "regular gay man". But tgirl admirers, whether they like to be tops, bottoms or versatile, are rarely into men. If we were, then life would probably be much easier for us, actually.

True, I understand that you might not want to top your man. And I think any man who is with you should respect that. But if he is willing to have sex with a person who has a cock, what difference does it make if he wants to be on top or bottom? Is a gay male top any straighter than a passive gay man?

Then you say that tgirls who enjoy topping are an exception to the rule, which I find ridiulous. In any case, who made this rule? There are no rules! We are no longer talking about male and female so why should we bother with labels like gay and straight?

You also don't understand why a man woul want to feel "titties on his back". The answer is, for the same reason that he would like to feel titties on his front. Tits excite men. We like to look at them, touch them, fuck them and suck them.

In any case, there are many positions that actually involve a tgirl and a man facing each other. Who says the tgirl has to be behind the man?

Furthermore, the real reason that men enjoy anal sex is unrelated to homosexuality. True, gay men get turned on by men. But physiologically anal sex is exciting becuase the prostate gets stimulated. This is why gay men, transexuals and many admirers enjoy anal sex, as do straight men who buy their women strapons. The lack of the prostate is also the reason why most women don't get too excited by anal sex. Many men can come from anal sex- most women cannot.

I think's it's ridiculous that transgendered women, who have been trying to fight labels all their lives turn around and blurt out things like this, using the same labels that they have been trying to fight.

Anyway, this subject is old and tiresome. If your're not happy with your man for various reasons, and from a previous post I take it that you're not, then I'm sorry. If he pretends to be faithful and to only want to be on top and then goes around, as you suggested, finding tgirls to penetrate him, he's a shit. But he's a shit not because of his sexual preferences, but because he's a liar.

And that is infinitely worse than being gay, straight, bi, into S&M, M&Ms, cheese and biscuits, snap, crackle and pop or whatever.

Kill the labels, Princess. They do us all more harm than good.

[EdelweissFan]

Princess, you should read carefully what LG says:



Furthermore, the real reason that men enjoy anal sex is unrelated to homosexuality. True, gay men get turned on by men. But physiologically anal sex is exciting becuase the prostate gets stimulated. This is why gay men, transexuals and many admirers enjoy anal sex, as do straight men who buy their women strapons. The lack of the prostate is also the reason why most women don't get too excited by anal sex. Many men can come from anal sex- most women cannot.
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You are confusing a sexual act (anal sex) with a sexual orientation (gay or bi). People of all kinds decide as individuals they like anal sex because it feels good to them.

I know several Brazilian GGs and they tell me that it is extremely common for Brazilian GGs while having sex with their men to reach around and insert a finger in their man to stimulate his prostrate. Does that make their men gay? You might also read maxfisch.com, a femdom site where straight sub men and dominant GG women interact. Half of the posts are about women using strapons.

For someone who has presumably had to break a lot of mainstream stereotypes to become what you are, you seem remarkably narrow minded and uninformed about sex.

[Mugai_hentaisha]

:deadhorse


yep definitely


:deadhorse

[hwbs]

that shit got nuthing to do with nuthing....ive been with plenty off gg that are way more freaky then that...what does that make them ......u can go on with that thinking if that makes u feel any better....i know plenty of girls that supposodly have str8 boyfriends that end up bending over for other girls i know...i give this topic 4 :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse with a twist of :sleep

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

Thats a typical gurlie gurl Tgirl assessment. She has some merits and good point to it..so dont blame her. Most tgirls transitioned to be fem and passable to start. Not knowing what awaits them. Surprise surprise! Men have evolved too. :wink: LOL.

In as much as men love to be top and be all dominant..they also like to experience it from our side of the spectrum. :wink: Besides doing it once inawhile makes it all the more non boring at the least. Also have it alot more intimate as well. Ive been into relationships where non of my ex bf's ever touched me down below..tho after awhile I got tired and bored of it..So Hello! :lol: LOL.

But to each his own. Sexuality is as diverse as each snowflakes. :lol: Relationship has always been a give and take. Roleplays take the monotony out of things. So enjoy!

~Kisses.

HTG

[DamionXXX]

Я Люблю Вас Ulyana, я Люблю только Вас ... теперь и для остальной части моей жизни.

[Ecstatic]

There's a lot of good points on all sides here, and none of them (other than just be yourself and forget about the labels) is absolute. I know that a lot--maybe most--tg's want their man to be totally masculine and only take the top role because that enhances their sense of being a woman, and more power to you for that if that's where you stand (or lay), Princess. But others enjoy variety, to varying degrees: some are very happy being "non-op" and versatile, some only want to top (though I think the percentage of tg's who only want to top in a relationship is probably vastly smaller than those who state this preference professionally), some only want to bottom, whatever.

I do think that the guy should respect the preferences of the girl, unless they are in an LTR where there is a need for her to respect his needs as well. But as LG says, the desire for receptive anal sex is driven by physical pleasure, not by sexual orientation alone.

Another point is that, until relatively recently and in many cultures around the world, the receptive male is seen as gay but not the insertive male. This reflects cultural biases and the evolution of our understanding of human sexuality. I don't think being homosexual is defined by what you do, but rather by who you're attracted to. Guys attracted to TGs I think are, to some degree, bisexual as Jade says. But this term is also limited in that most of these men are not attracted to other men, only to GG and TG partners, so it's not quite appropriate, either.

Anyway, it's a complex set of issues and the best thing is to find what you enjoy and a partner(s) who enjoy what you do and hang the labels!

[Hara_Juku Tgirl]

And add to the fact that in recent year or two there are now gay men who are into both men and transexuals. Ive had some hit on me. To which Ive declined ofcourse. :wink: No thankyou! LOL.

It does not turn me on knowing and seing he's eyebrows are more contoured then mines..or he might want to wear my cute thongs and stuffs..or that the way he might *moan might give me Chills of the bad kind. :roll: Ugh..Just thinking/visualizing that just gives me the creeps. :evil: LOL. :lol:

Makes you think the world has gone mad! :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

[canihavu]

Although ... if you’re a guy that wants 2 be fucked… I don’t think you should continue to refer to yourself as “straight” !

I believe you are correct on this point...

Why not just go to a Regular Gay Man that likes to top?

I think that most men who are attracted to TGirls are attracted to women. TGirls are unique because they have that "extra special" quality.

But why in the world would a man want 2 feel Titties on his back?.

Titties on your back actually feels pretty good wether they are a GG's or a TG's, lol. :D

I am a woman of color… well endowed.. and although it is a prerequisite that my man Sucks & Licks before he Sticks…

Personally that's what I love about Tgirls. But I would never suck or lick a gay man...

[canihavu]

I have always labled all men ( TS admirers) as bi-sexual. No matter what they like to do, top, bttm or both. Tho im really not into labels, thats my theory. Bi sexual.. likeing the best of both worlds.

kisses

I guess you have a valid point Jade. If you are attracted to the dick, you must have "bi tendencies" at least. However, as I stated before, I can not see myself sucking a gay man. (or have him suck me.) I could suck Jade's dick all night long though. :lol:

[canihavu]

And add to the fact that in recent year or two there are now gay men who are into both men and transexuals. Ive had some hit on me. To which Ive declined ofcourse. :wink: No thankyou! LOL.

It does not turn me on knowing and seing he's eyebrows are more contoured then mines..or he might want to wear my cute thongs and stuffs..or that the way he might *moan might give me Chills of the bad kind. :roll: Ugh..Just thinking/visualizing that just gives me the creeps. :evil: LOL. :lol:

Makes you think the world has gone mad! :roll:

~Kisses.

HTG

interesting...

[seanj]

any man that has sex with a tgirl is not straight...doesnt matter if its top, bottom, whatever...they would be either gay or bi.

think it pretty funny when some dudes who are into tgirls post on here how theyre not attracted to men...somehow that makes them straight...lol.

[BeardedOne]

i forgot im not posting here anymore...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm sure someone would have eventually reminded you. :)

In other nooz:

Trust me folks, you =do not= ever want to see me in a little pink lacey thong.

Ever. :shock:

:lol:

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

Thanks I appreciate all the feed back for and against… It’s been said Opinions are like ass holes… everyone’s got one. As for those done with this paritcular topic…. Please politely move the fuck on ..No one forced you to join the discussion.. I am new to the group and wanted Feed Back….

Please allow me to clear couple of points up… I am not the one giving the guys the
” straight” label this is the label they are approaching with… “ straight Guy 4 t-girl” ect… ect…. Not to mention sites like Migente.com Or BP where they are asked their orientation and the choose Heterosexual instead of leaving it blank or telling the truth. I have endured to much to get where I am to be closed minded…. But I am entitled to a personal preference!!. Society is to “Black and White…” to even begin too embrace the Gray area of the TG community. I was born a Male but I am plagued with a Gender disorder. I have breast and a Penis… will society classify me as woman or a man? Women don’t have penises but men don’t have breast…. So if there is no definitive
“ label” for me…. There definitely is not a label for the men that are interested in me….…
essentially I am a woman that was trapped inside a male body…. When society links me with the gay a lesbian community
( GLBT) I accept that because that’s where Transgender people are accepted.. But I really don’t feel that we are” GAY”
Never the less I am not into labels….
although I can understand there Is no definitive place for TG admires.. I am really sick of men who get fucked labeling themselves as straight!
I am not the one distributing the labels as I said this is the way the men are referring to themselves… Technically since I have a penis and so does he and If he actually enjoys women as well …If I was forced to place a label on any man with a Pre-op TS it would be bi-sexual.
I am not trying to put you men out there that want to be fucked on blast… and once a GG has stuck something up her mans ass believe me… she does not look at him the same as she did before she stuck that strap on or what ever inside him. I just wanted to make sure that my point was properly perceived.

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

I guess I'm lucky - my rectum is not an erogenous zone, at all. So my complete lack of interest in anyone touching it means I get to be ubermasculine without shame or effort!

As for the guys who like it in the butt - do you suck your thumb and have happy thoughts about your father while you do that? Zing!



Finally a real man!!!! LOL Thanks for your input! LOL
I dont cum from getting fucked I Jack my cock like everyone else that has one.... When I want to get off the feeling of a man inside me helps me cum.. no doubt... but it's not how Regualr GUYS useually get them selves off!
BTW... Thanks to my TS sisters telling these guys the truth instead of what they need to hear to make them selves feel better... or to get their $$$$$$$ Let's be honest with these MF's LOL Maybe someday they will stop Disgusting and repulsing us by infringing upon our femininity!

[DamionXXX]

Я Люблю Вас Ulyana, я Люблю только Вас ... теперь и для остальной части моей жизни.

[Deepdarkfucker]

Hmmmm?

[seanj]

I in no way whatsoever consider myself gay, the T-girls I have dated would under no circumstances date a gay man... I am generally always a top but the few times I have reciprocated with someone I truly deeply loved does not make me gay... or bisexual...


yes...that makes u bisexual...nothin wrong with that...but if your trying to convince yourself that your straight maybe u see something wrong with it.

[kink234]

I also am not gay, but I have always been drawn to T-Girls. Now I do not think that "getting fucked" or anal sex means you are gay or should be considered gay. It simply means you enjoy anal sex. I think everything comes down to labels. Ok, for instance, let's say guys that are subs that like anal pleasure are gay, well what about a man and woman where the woman likes to use strap-ons on the man. Just something to consider

[DamionXXX]

Я Люблю Вас Ulyana, я Люблю только Вас ... теперь и для остальной части моей жизни.

[RangeHova]

The whole label thing has gone way too far.

Really it has.

Do I label my self gay? No
Do I label my self bi? Well....

The point is, up until recently I labeled myself as straight. Not because I had some issue with being seen as gay or bi, I simply view a TS woman as a woman. I know genetically they aren't but what is in my heart, soul, head, body and what not tells me that they are female.

That doesn't go for all TS women, some I can't see as female. And that is not all about who looks the most passable or who is the best looking. More than anything it is about who and where they are in life and how they fit inside of thier own skin. I've meet many beautiful and extremely passable, extra feminine TS girls that after 10 minutes of talking to them you see they only look and act like women.

Up until recently I never got with those kinds of TS girls but things change. Has my sexuality changed? All in all, i don't really give a shit. I'ma be me whatever you label it. Most people would label my attraction to a TS women as sick and disgusting, and yet I ain't lost a dime, a wink of sleep, or a shred of my manhood.

But we need to get off the idea of telling people who they are inside. It would seem that T-girls would get that better than anyone since a large majority of the world labels you as nasty, crazy, confused, sick, men playin dress up no matter how good you look or how far you go with your transition. That ain't no diss, I don't feel like that in the least bit.

Face it, there are NO RULES, Especially when it comes to people so socially undefined as the transgendered.

[DamionXXX]

Я Люблю Вас Ulyana, я Люблю только Вас ... теперь и для остальной части моей жизни.

[RangeHova]

Another wrinkle to this.

When I was younger, I was the type that wanted NO PART of a girl's dick. Didn't suck, touch or even want to see them. And trust, it wasn't some denial shit. I literally had ZERO desire for that part of my first TS girlfriend.

Eventually things changed, and out of sheer love for this girl, i wanted to make her feel as absolutely good as i possibly could. I gave her oral sex in the begining out of my feelings for her even though I still didn't like it. But who doesn't want to not make the person they are committed to feel good. All of a sudden in the midst of some hot sex I got emense pleasure from it and from ther it was apart of me.

Happened that way with anal as well, only that I don't do anal sex except for if I'm in a very serious relationship. Tried it w/o feeling involved and hated it.

Was I any less/more bi/gay/straight in the begining or afterwards? Am I less/more whatever because I give myself w/ my heart?

Like my man said, all of this label shit is mad silly.

[chefmike]

Actually this thread seems to have been motivated by this drama...
get the fuck over it "princess"...find yourself a new man...enuf already


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Location: NYC/ PA Allentown

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:58 am Post subject: Beautiful TS Stepmom ready to walk!

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Beautiful TS Stepmom ready to walk!
I am a passable pre-op that has been residing with a man for the past couple of years helping him raise his 10 year old daughter. Giving up my life in NYC as a single young woman.. to be a faithful wife & step Mom playing my role for his friends and family- with no one has knowing our little secret but us. Anyways In august after enduring his alcohol induced abuse I finally found the courage to leave him. Since that time he has called me every single day asking that I come back to him... proclaiming to be a changed man. He regained employment and I was actually thinking about going back to him… THEN BY CHANCE OR FATE OR SOMETHING he accidentally informed me about his personal ad on hung angels.…. Mr… “ truth n soul” thats his SN here is looking for hookers to “ blow lines and blow him” yet he declares to want a drug free life, relationship and family with me. In some of his postings he mentions me, our relationship my beauty, passablity and the fact that I was good to him and his daughter Yet in other postings he is flirting with other girls saying that he is available for play ect. Furthermore…. he knows that I am a complete bottom and wanted a total top... yet I find him watching porn or when he has cheated on me in the past it has been about him getting fucked.. .yet…. He declares to have no desire to be penetrated.
I have confronted him about all of these Discrepancies he contends that he wants all the same things I do and this internet crap was just a mistake... he's “ begging me to forgive him “ but I am not sure what to do. Should I give him another chance or walk for good?

TS Step Mom

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[RangeHova]

DamonXXX, you hit the nail on the head, like a muhfugga!!!!

TS women are the first to demand that the world see them for who they feel they are inside (as the world rightfully should)...

...but are the first to tell a man that he is wrong for feeling who he is inside. The craziest thing is that these men that they want to determine who they are for them are the people that are the most accepting of them.


Life is deeper than the one way or the other. Learn the man and who he is then go from there.

There are 100s of kinds of TS women, maybe 1000s. I wouldn't dare to paint any of you in a box for one thing, let alone a sex act. That is some small minded childish shit.

"Tina is less of a woman than Susan because Tina like to get head from a guy and Susan only like hand jobs.

LET'S ALL EVOLVE!!![/i]

[DamionXXX]

Я Люблю Вас Ulyana, я Люблю только Вас ... теперь и для остальной части моей жизни.

[seanj]

it is really not that complicated...if you have any type of sex with a tgirl you are not staight...period...accept it or not that is just a fact.

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

Damion & crew. My dears… again.. I was never passing out the labels.. I have not called you guys Gay or classified men that Bottom as BI… all I was simply asking or exclaiming my disappointment with is men that ( and I ‘ll say it for the last time) LABEL THEMS SELVES AS STRAIGHT… WHEN THEY KNOW THEY WANNA BE FUCKED…… I notice that your not labeling yourself as “ straight” … so maybe You are not part of the problem….
And My Dear… your exactly right I have been lied to and deceived… Personally as a total Bottom.. I want my man to be a total top so I feel like I am able to totally please him… If he secretly wants to get fucked but keeps referring to himself as “straight”… knowing that he has a desire to get fucked… he may go on hung angels looking for Pro’s to Top him… and because I thought we were compatible… and he’s just in fucking denial…l wake up one day and I have wasted four years of my life. I am not trying to make any enemies disrespect anyone.. I am just calling attention to what I see as a common problem within the community of TG’s and their admires…. Sure… I am a little bitter and one sided about the subject… like I said when I started this topic.. I have a definite opinion… but was not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings…. I am a bottom myself.

[flabbybody]

why do we continue to beat each other up over this? I've chased pussy my whole life and succeeded about 50% of the time(well, maybe less). I woke up one morning and realized girls aint that great. Then I met a tgirl and she blows me away. sorry- no pun intended.

am I a top? am I a bottom? who gives a f---K?
am I gay? who gives a f--K?.

I will say this. If I was getting out of the shower at my local gym and a naked guy propositioned me, I'd bash his head in.

[RangeHova]

Don’t even bother calling yourself “STRAIGHT”” UNLESS YOU ARE ALL MAN in and out the Bedroom!

That is the epitome of what we are talking about.

Thay is the equivalent of some closedminded person saying that a TS woman should never refer to herself as anything other than a man.

Dude was sharing his body and his life with what most of society sees as a man.

With all due respect, it could have been your closed minded views that made him unable to be open to you about a particular sex act that he may have wanted to try. Being with a TS woman can open up a man to want to try new things with her. Spending his life with you, seeing you (all of you) may have made him more comfortable with what you had. Like i said in my post, being with my first T love made me desire shit that would have made me throw up before. How many guys with ZERO interest in TS women fall for one and eventually find themselves stroking, sucking, or just enjoying her dick?

If your man would have come to you wanting to feel you inside of him would you have downed him, talked about his manhood the way you laid it out in the post? Would you have made him feel like he just went from some straight macho man to some gay lil bitch?

Did you have any issue with him giving your dick pleasure? Did that make you less of a woman because you enjoyed any part of it?

Did you talk about his sexuality and manhood when he gave you head, or stroke you? What if he did want to put on your panties? What if a dude that never would touch anything but a genetic female wears his woman's panties? What is he?

I'm not tryin to clown you (really I'm not), I'm just tryin to display how faulty labeling a person based on one or two things.

Look, I feel you on your anger for dude but take a second to see if you played any part in this?

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

I apologize for starting all this Drama… I love hearing your opinions… I don’t want to stereo type and separate… I didn’t realize how many passionate bottoms we had out there.. LOL I just simply was asking for those men that know they have that desire within them to be dominated. too have their prostates stimulated… to stop labeling themselves as straight.. I personally find it misleading…. Much Love to Chef, Damion, Hara T, and everyone else you lent their two cents. And anytime you wanna borrow my Little Lace Panties…. Just give me a Holler!

[RangeHova]

On the real, how would you have taken it if dude came to you wanting you to give him a back shot?

I'm just curious.

[bananix]

if you think all persons born with dicks are always men then it's bisexual but that doesn't mean they are attracted to any regular men because many tgirl lovers are not attracted to masculinity (dick is attractive to them because it is attached to a beautiful body). i don't know if it's possible that there can be single sex species that could have both sex organs and get pregnant and can make same species pregnant perhaps even themself :D or i think there are species that can change sex over the course of their lifetime so the borders are not so clear.

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

Don’t even bother calling yourself “STRAIGHT”” UNLESS YOU ARE ALL MAN in and out the Bedroom!

That is the epitome of what we are talking about.

Thay is the equivalent of some closedminded person saying that a TS woman should never refer to herself as anything other than a man.

Dude was sharing his body and his life with what most of society sees as a man.

With all due respect, it could have been your closed minded views that made him unable to be open to you about a particular sex act that he may have wanted to try. Being with a TS woman can open up a man to want to try new things with her. Spending his life with you, seeing you (all of you) may have made him more comfortable with what you had. Like i said in my post, being with my first T love made me desire shit that would have made me throw up before. How many guys with ZERO interest in TS women fall for one and eventually find themselves stroking, sucking, or just enjoying her dick?

If your man would have come to you wanting to feel you inside of him would you have downed him, talked about his manhood the way you laid it out in the post? Would you have made him feel like he just went from some straight macho man to some gay lil bitch?

Did you have any issue with him giving your dick pleasure? Did that make you less of a woman because you enjoyed any part of it?

Did you talk about his sexuality and manhood when he gave you head, or stroke you? What if he did want to put on your panties? What if a dude that never would touch anything but a genetic female wears his woman's panties? What is he?

I'm not tryin to clown you (really I'm not), I'm just tryin to display how faulty labeling a person based on one or two things.

Look, I feel you on your anger for dude but take a second to see if you played any part in this?



Range Hova… a lot of you have assumed I am referring to my ex… although he was dishonest with me.. my frustration stems from the men that have approached me most recently since I have made myself available again…. See I am trying not to have the same thing that happen with my ex happen again..
If I made any one feel like a “ lil Bitch” for wanting to be fucked… I offer no apologies… rather you say your doing it for prostate stimulation or because you simply want to be dominated… being penetrated is a submissive act. I want to feel like a girl so I do girlie things. Furthermore I have made it quite clear too my ex and any other man that calls himself pursuing me…. I am not into submissive men…
maybe it’s all in my mind… but when I feel a mans Scruffy Face in between my soft thighs… and he is licking my clitty(penis) or ass he is still making me feel like a lady. I don’t see him as any less of a man. Although my clit may be larger than a GG”s I am still a woman… when he reaches around to stroke my clit the same way he may massage a woman’s clit while fucking her… for some reason does not seem emasculating to me. Never the less all you bottom boys out there stay strong and please be honest with your partner and yourself… don’t just tell a girl what you think she wants to hear… she would much rather know that your incompatible from the start…

[RangeHova]

Look, I can't fault you for your judgement on the people in your life. We all have those. I look at myself and a part of me that sees guys so infactuated with dick (tops and bottoms) seems just a little gay to me. I like T girls but I don't really trip on dicks that much. But am I going to tell the next man that they are this and that because they are so into dicks that they will suck off any TS with a bone? Well I used to be that way. But dealing with T women has taught me that you gotta take people one by one.

I am far from a bottom dude. I've done it but it ain't my thing. If I fall for another girl on a deeper level i may go ther again. But I guess I'm less bi now than I was when i was serious with a girl huh (I'm jokin).

I value your opinion but we all have to realize that our opinions are just that. You state that being penetrated is a submissive act while sucking a dick is not. That is not a fact. Let's keep it real sucking a dick is sucking a dick, it is not licking a clit. Sucking a dick is having your mouth penetrated by a dick.

It's not about what most people think either, most people would say that doing ANYTHING with a TS is 100% gay. From kissing to hand holding, let alone anything sexual is seen as a gay act buy most people. Most people would think this whole debate is ludicris because in the eyes of the masses we are all gay men, nothing more nothing less. techincally that is about the closest thing to actual facts. But you and i know that it goes beyond genetic fact.

If my boys sees me being attracted to Allanah or whoever as gay, i get why they think that but most men on this board get what it really is. I know my boys just don't get it.

It's some abstract shit.

And when did submission to your woman equal being bi, gay, femme, or make a man less of a man?

I've penetrated many a woman who dominated my dick with thier pussies. The same for TS women, some of the most sexually dominate women and TS sisters want no part of a man's ass. But they will work his dick so hard he'll feel like he's riding a brahma bull. There is a level of submission in most aspects of love making no matter who you are or who you are with.

It's your right to see a person how you want to see them. If you feel that they are WHATEVER, it is cool. But just know that is Priceless_PrincessNYC's view and not some fact. Just like RANGEHOVA MIGHT feel that a man so into sucking random TS dick is WHATEVER, but unless i know that man's motivation, desire, and mental state how can i tell him who or what he is?

Nothing I or anyone can change you mind, you have shown that just try to know the different between your opinion and fact.

It's one thing to say 'I feel that.....' and another thing to say something like 'any man who sucks a dick is gay'.

[LeesaCD]

any man that has sex with a tgirl is not straight...doesnt matter if its top, bottom, whatever...they would be either gay or bi.

think it pretty funny when some dudes who are into tgirls post on here how theyre not attracted to men...somehow that makes them straight...lol.

So now we seem to have moved from what orientation a guy is to what the object of desire is. Look at it like this:

If you see a TS as a guy with implants and long hair - you gotta be bi (or gay, but then if your gay, you're not part of the 'straight or not' debate)

If you see a TS as a sexy woman (e.g. Meghan Chavalier ,hubba, hubba) who happens to have a cock, but you only want to top her, not even suck her cock - you may choose to call yourself straight, but for me this asks the question, why go with a TS in the first place? GG's have asses too!!?! If you felt the need to go with a woman with a cock, but don't wanna touch it, what on earth is going on in your head.

If however, you see a TS as above, but you like the cock, suck it, want it up you (again I'm thinking of Meghan, yum!), then you have to consider the fact that you like cock for reason.

You could go out and find a woman with a strapon, but you chose the cock. Women who'll wear a starpon are hard to find admittedly, but then if you wanna stroll into work and tell 'the guys' you hooked up with a foxy blonde with 8" of love, you worked a lot harder than that!

I don't like to go with Guys that are non-TS/TV/TG/CD/BSc. /DDT/ABC (whats in a label) I like femininity. A TV is good, but a TS is great, because she is not a he.

Sorry to put it like this, but what the fuck is this subject doing in this board again?
If you're talking about whether a guy is confused about his sexuality, but you were born as a boy, got implants and grew your hair, wore dresses and changed your name to fit your new gender. you need to lay off the guys who haven't quite sorted it out for themselves yet.

PS gotta send a shout out to my favs: Meghan, Nefertiti, Allanah, and my fav Brazillian Crys Mullug.

[bananix]

i'm into women and tgirls and don't view tgirls as men so i don't call it bisexual and i don't know how it can be called bisexual unless viewing them as men...what kind of sex somone enjoys with a person has nothing to do with bisexuality in my opinion. and i don't know what some mean by "straight" because the kind of sexuality i think it means no lifeform on this planet can be said to have. but if someone asks if i'm straight i might say yes because otherwise he/she might think i'd have sex with a dude.

[brickcitybrother]

Okay, its seems that folks are lined up on two different sides.

On one side, folks are saying if you have a dick and you enjoy doing anything intimate with someone who has a dick, then you gay or pretty damn close.

On another side, folks are saying, if you are a man and you enjoy doing anything intimate with someone who's a woman, then you're straight or pretty damn close.

Personally, I think a little common sense should be employed. For example, if you were with a GG and had a little 'didlo play' or stray-on play, does that make you 'gay'? Conversely, if you're with a effeminate dude, who only sucks your dick, does that mean you're really straight?

Gay folks - are those that identify themselves as just that (whether they identify themselves that way in public or not - in the closet or out). Straight folks are the same way. This doesn't mean that either can't engage in opposite activities. The are too many people living unfulfilled lives because they are not living as freely as they would like. As far as bi-sexuals - isn't that the idea that they like to have sex with both Men & Women.

So how do we caterogize someone like myself? Hmmmmmmm. Do I like to engage in intimacies with mem? Not at all. Do I consider myself straight? Completely. Do I dream of kissing my favorite or fantasy girl (Jade - I'm thinking of your right now) on the neck, sucking on her breasts, running my fingers threw her hair and everywhere? Yup - without a doubt. Is that homosexual activity? That's what the book says. Even though I'm never penetrated, its still classified that way. But, am I gay? Of course not! I am a man who at times may engage in emotially heterosexual conduct which happens to be physically homosexual. Hey - if they gave Jada Pinkett Smith an operation and she had a lil dick and I still wanted to kiss her - does that make me gay? I don't think so.

Everything I am and everything I do - may not always match up perfectly. Somehow - I think that makes me human. And I'm thankful because of it.






P.S. to Moderators Can we just have a poll question - so that when this subject comes up again (as it has dozens of times before) when can post the link to the poll and add any needed comments there.

[bananix]

when some want to perform oral sex to stimulate their parner they might not mind doing it to a sex organ that looks different and is neutral looking and when it belongs to a sexy tgirl it can become very desireable atleast it does for me.

and if sucking my girlfriends fingers would give her the same pleasure as i get when my dick is sucked i would suck and lick them eagerly and perhaps many men would too don't know and don't see it as gay and it's not different as sucking tgirls pecker.

or some might find the feeling of their anus being stimulated pleasurable. i don't see it as gay if their girlfriend would stimulate it with fingers and it's not different than tgirl doing it with her pecker which might make it even more exiting because it's the sex organ of your partner.

some like different things like i myself love sexy pair of feet and would love to suck my girlfriends toes and not everyone is into that...perhaps me liking to suck toes makes me bisexual...i think not :)

so i think it's bisexual only if you view tgirls as men.

[TomSelis]

I always look at it like this: What does the word 'straight' mean? If I recall correctly straight means, someone that has sex with a member of the opposite sex. The problem lies with t-girls and I don't mean that in a bad way.

I mean it in the sense of, what does the t-girl define herself as? I'd like to think t-girls consider themselves as women. Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember reading something right here about some girls in Brazil that went back to being boys. Then they weren't girls to begin with.

As to the question, "Do straight guys get fucked?" No.

Not for nothin', but it all depends on what the girl defines herself as. If she defines herself as a girl, then a guy having anal sex with a t-girl is still straight. If she defines herself as a boy with tits or something like that, then maybe the guy isn't straight.

Very confusing topic, because in the end it really doesn't matter what anybody says but the person in question.

[ilovetgirls]

If a guy has sex with a tgirl and is classified as gay what about guys who only have sex with guys. Well one is gay and other is something else.I think its time someone came up with a new word.Tgirls are no longer considered male so I think a new name is due. A guy who has sex with a tgirl should be called tjoy. So we can be straight,bi,gay and tjoy.

[Ecstatic]

Good point, Tom. However, a corollary is that many tgirls see banging a guy as a homosexual act and a reminder of where they came from and what they want to get away from. So, yes, I agree that it comes down to how the girl sees herself--and there are many different types.

But once again: labels are for packages, not people!

[seanj]

this thread is a joke....there is not even a discussion to had because the answer is simple...do people know what bisexual means???
IF A SO CALLED STRAIGHT MAN HAS ANY TYPE OF SEX WITH A TRANS HE IS NO LONGER STRAIGHT...HE IS BISEXUAL...it doesnt matter that a tgirl may look like a women, take hormones, have surgery, ect....they were still born as a male.

"i'm straight, i dont fuck wit men...i only like gg and tgirls".....lol

so call ya boys who are straight and ask them if they wanna hit the tranny club tonight and try n get some azz.

[TT321]

this thread is a joke....there is not even a discussion to had because the answer is simple...do people know what bisexual means???
IF A SO CALLED STRAIGHT MAN HAS ANY TYPE OF SEX WITH A TRANS HE IS NO LONGER STRAIGHT...HE IS BISEXUAL...it doesnt matter that a tgirl may look like a women, take hormones, have surgery, ect....they were still born as a male.

"i'm straight, i dont fuck wit men...i only like gg and tgirls".....lol

so call ya boys who are straight and ask them if they wanna hit the tranny club tonight and try n get some azz.

thats funny you say that...cause most of them would.
but back to the topic..if you are a gay and you are want to b entered and penetrated with a a penis...dont consider yourself straight
on the other hand, if youre a top and like fucking a tgirl in the butt then thats a diff. story

[TomSelis]

Good point, Tom. However, a corollary is that many tgirls see banging a guy as a homosexual act and a reminder of where they came from and what they want to get away from. So, yes, I agree that it comes down to how the girl sees herself--and there are many different types.

But once again: labels are for packages, not people!

Yeah, but on the other hand some girls see a guy banging them as a homosexual act too, unless you know, the guy doesn't know she's a t-girl at first, then it's ok.

That's why it doesn't matter what someone says you are, it's all about what you think you are. Like you said, there are too many different types for anyone to ever agree.

Girl fucking a guy=straight
Guy fucking a girl=straight
Girl fucking a guy=????
Guy fucking a t-girl=????
T-girl fucking a guy=????
Guy that wants to be a woman but never does=????
Girl that wants to be a guy but never does=????
Guy fucking a guy=Not straight
Girl fucking a girl=Not straight

There's too many question marks in the middle. So in the end it all comes down to what YOU think you are, not what somebody else SAYS you are. It's just not as simple as making a chart.

[seanj]

there are no question marks...and it doesnt matter what you think you are...what you are is already defined by your sexual actions.

the only guy who is straight is the one who will only have sex with a genetic female....obviously there is gonna be guys who love females but on the dl would get with a fem tranny...they are no longer straight by defeniton.

[Lobo]

What about the guy that gets fucked in the ass by his girlfriend or wife with fingers or a strap-on?
He likes his prostate stimulated but would never consider being with a man. He doesn't find anything attractive about a guy, not the face body or cock, nothing. Is this guy gay?
He likes being fucked in the ass...but by a woman.

[seanj]

What about the guy that gets fucked in the ass by his girlfriend or wife with fingers or a strap-on?
He likes his prostate stimulated but would never consider being with a man. He doesn't find anything attractive about a guy, not the face body or cock, nothing. Is this guy gay?
He likes being fucked in the ass...but by a woman.


no he is not gay because it is with his wife or gf.

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

I promised myself that I would not post today … but here I am… addicted I guess.. LOL
I am gonna to place my warp opinion about one more matter… see when a guy is going down on my Clit…aka. .penis.. I think nothing of it.. girls have Clits.. mine is just bigger than a GG”s…. So I don’t find a man going down on a T-girl or dating a T—girl emasculating… He’s doing his duty…. If he reaches around and plays with my clit that is great too… But guys don’t get fucked by clits.. and just because my clit is big enough to penetrate a man… My ideal guy would not want any part of that.
Just my personal opinion Have fun with this topic..
I would be curios to have a poll how many TG admires are Bottoms? Versatile? And TOP?
BTW… the majority of “ straight “ men don’t get off by having the Prostate Stimulated. They Jack their Dicks and Cum… again being penetrated is mostly about domination…with a little stimulation…. LOL
I dont care if your with a GG, TS or Gay Male

[TomSelis]

there are no question marks...and it doesnt matter what you think you are...what you are is already defined by your sexual actions.

the only guy who is straight is the one who will only have sex with a genetic female....obviously there is gonna be guys who love females but on the dl would get with a fem tranny...they are no longer straight by defeniton.

And this is based on.....what?

Ultimately, it does matter what YOU consider yourself. There's countless people throughout history that were considered fuck-up's by other people's standards, until.....

It goes back to what I was saying about t-girls. By many people's standards they are men with cosmetic surgery. They don't consider themselves men and that's what's really important. Sexuality isn't easily defined. For some reason, when you get to men that like t-girls, that all changes and it doesn't make sense.

You don't go by other people's standards in life. Maybe you do, but I don't.

[seanj]

the bottom line is a tgirl is a genetic male...is that in question?

it doesnt matter that they look like women....your sexuality IS defined by who you have sex with...and if you have any type of sex with a tgirl you are not straight by definiton...if a person wants to convince themselves that they arent bi or gay that is up to that idividual but the rest of society is not gonna see it that way.

[hwbs]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :puke

[Quinn]

A tgirl is a genetic male...is that in question?

it doesnt matter that they look like women....your sexuality IS defined by who you have sex with...and if you have any type of sex with a tgirl you are not straight by definiton...if a person wants to convince themselves that they arent bi or gay that is up to that idividual but the rest of society is not gonna see it that way.

The answer to your first question is "no."

My response to your second point is that I never have to convince myself of anything because I really don't care either way; it's just not that important. Like a number of people on this board, I do what works for me and never bother to define or question it. It really is that simple.

From my perspective, the only people who really make an issue out of this are people who have issues with their own sexuality.

-Quinn

[TomSelis]

A tgirl is a genetic male...is that in question?

it doesnt matter that they look like women....your sexuality IS defined by who you have sex with...and if you have any type of sex with a tgirl you are not straight by definiton...if a person wants to convince themselves that they arent bi or gay that is up to that idividual but the rest of society is not gonna see it that way.

The answer to your first question is "no."

My response to your second point is that I never have to convince myself of anything because I really don't care either way; it's just not that important. Like a number of people on this board, I do what works for me and never bother to define or question it. It really is that simple.

From my perspective, the only people who really make an issue out of this are people who have issues with their own sexuality.

-Quinn

Thank you, Quinn.

[brickcitybrother]

Priceless_PrincessNYC

My my my ... care to join me in my fantasies... now that I can see you (avatar)?

[seanj]

A tgirl is a genetic male...is that in question?

it doesnt matter that they look like women....your sexuality IS defined by who you have sex with...and if you have any type of sex with a tgirl you are not straight by definiton...if a person wants to convince themselves that they arent bi or gay that is up to that idividual but the rest of society is not gonna see it that way.

The answer to your first question is "no."

My response to your second point is that I never have to convince myself of anything because I really don't care either way; it's just not that important. Like a number of people on this board, I do what works for me and never bother to define or question it. It really is that simple.

From my perspective, the only people who really make an issue out of this are people who have issues with their own sexuality.

-Quinn

the answer to the first question is no....lol....u gotta be kidding me...this discusion is pointless because you living in some kind fantasy world...a tgirl is a still genetically a male...that is a simple fact.

it comes down to some men up in here are so afraid of their bisexuality that theyre not dealing with reality....just accept that shit...damn....i have no attraction for men what so ever...the idea of being with a man repulses me...i love gg but i am also attracted to tgirls and have been with a couple...i accept the fact that i am not straight...its not a big deal.

[4DegreesWarmer]

your sexuality IS defined by who you have sex with...

That statement there is the key to your flawed logic.

As was said, it's truly defined by your thoughts and feelings. For example a teenage guy begins to go through the natural phase of figuring out what works for him...as a result he's had encounters with both men and women, yet realized that the encounters with males did nothing for him. On the flip side we have a male who's always been viewed as a ladies man and finally settles down to get married and have a family. Despite his outward, appearance and actions, he yearns for men...yet he's never acted on those urges and is thus "in the closet."

So by you're reasoning guy 2 is "straighter" than guy 1...

Yeah, sound logic...

[seanj]

I have always labled all men ( TS admirers) as bi-sexual. No matter what they like to do, top, bttm or both. Tho im really not into labels, thats my theory. Bi sexual.. likeing the best of both worlds.

kisses


thank you jade....there seems to be alot of confused peeps up in here.

[RangeHova]

I don't really have an argument with any side of this. You have the technical side of it where hell, genetically all TS women are genetically male. So any act with a TS woman is a HOMOSEXUAL ACT, point blank period.

But the other side is the abstract. And on some level almost all of us view the TS woman in some level of the abstract. When we see a fine Ts we don't say 'damn, he's fine'. We don't view TS women, especially the finer ones, as men.

Some of us will draw lines to say taking a dick in the mouth is so much different than taking one in the ass. Some of us will say that the TS who looks less passable is less of a woman than the passable ones.

If you are going to stick to the technical, the FACTS then cool. I have zero argument for FACTS but if you are going to come with your version of the abstract you have no right to disregard someone else's abstract view. I mean how you gon make up your own rules for what fits in your life and tell someone else that they can't make up thier own rules for them and what fits in thier life. In this life of dealing with and living as transsexual women there are so many ways to people come to and deal with it all. Know that how you deal with, view it, and handle it is just that, YOUR way, don't tell others that YOUR WAY is the only right way. That is all I'm saying.

I respect everyone's opinion for how they deal with all of this in thier life but to bring that here and preach it to others (especially when you aren't coming from a factual based stance)...

...just seems hypocritical, if you ask me.

But hey, we've all done it and will do it again and again.

[4DegreesWarmer]

I promised myself that I would not post today … but here I am… addicted I guess.. LOL
I am gonna to place my warp opinion about one more matter… see when a guy is going down on my Clit…aka. .penis.. I think nothing of it.. girls have Clits.. mine is just bigger than a GG”s…. So I don’t find a man going down on a T-girl or dating a T—girl emasculating… He’s doing his duty…. If he reaches around and plays with my clit that is great too… But guys don’t get fucked by clits.. and just because my clit is big enough to penetrate a man… My ideal guy would not want any part of that.
Just my personal opinion Have fun with this topic..
I would be curios to have a poll how many TG admires are Bottoms? Versatile? And TOP?
BTW… the majority of “ straight “ men don’t get off by having the Prostate Stimulated. They Jack their Dicks and Cum… again being penetrated is mostly about domination…with a little stimulation…. LOL
I dont care if your with a GG, TS or Gay Male

Interesting perspective...

I'm always amused when tgirls make reference to their anatomy as having a "clitty" and a "pussy." Not because, I look down on them...but because I value a more realist approach and I find that saying something enough can cause the mind to view it as a sort of "truth."

So let us be real....I'm not going to be eating your pussy...I going to be eating ass/tossing salad. I'm not licking clit....I'm sucking a dick. Those are the facts and quaint terminology doesn't change that.

And you're correct, guys don't get fucked by clits, yet they get fucked by pussys. Of course, we can take the primitive route and see the "penetrator" as the fucker, but that sort of thinking is really suited for an dick to ass scenario. A pussy and an asshole have little in common...a pussy is homologous to the dick and they work accordingly together. Fucking each other... a type of ying/yang if you will.

And what majority of "straight" men don't enjoy prostate stimulation? I'm curious to see your study. Does this study indicate that prostate stimulation is a myth? Or is it the "gay stigma" and general small-mindedness that serve as the only reasons why a male would deny that there is intense pleasure of prostate stimulation done right?

By the way, this is all coming from a guy who's never been fucked...cept for when my gg girlfriend was giving me head and attempted to insert a finger in my ass. Of course, I swiftly punched her in the eye and told her I was nobodys fag...

[Quinn]

A tgirl is a genetic male...is that in question?

it doesnt matter that they look like women....your sexuality IS defined by who you have sex with...and if you have any type of sex with a tgirl you are not straight by definiton...if a person wants to convince themselves that they arent bi or gay that is up to that idividual but the rest of society is not gonna see it that way.

The answer to your first question is "no."

My response to your second point is that I never have to convince myself of anything because I really don't care either way; it's just not that important. Like a number of people on this board, I do what works for me and never bother to define or question it. It really is that simple.

From my perspective, the only people who really make an issue out of this are people who have issues with their own sexuality.

-Quinn

the answer to the first question is no....lol....u gotta be kidding me...this discusion is pointless because you living in some kind fantasy world...a tgirl is a still genetically a male...that is a simple fact.

it comes down to some men up in here are so afraid of their bisexuality that theyre not dealing with reality....just accept that shit...damn....i have no attraction for men what so ever...the idea of being with a man repulses me...i love gg but i am also attracted to tgirls and have been with a couple...i accept the fact that i am not straight...its not a big deal.

Perhaps I have made a mistake in assuming that you have anything more than a superficial command of the English language. For example, you asked if "A tgirl is a genetic male...is that in question?" I responded by answering "no," which clearly means that it is not in question that tgirls are in fact genetic males. Had I answered "yes," your answer might have been appropriate. Once again, this misunderstanding is probably my fault for replying in comprehensible English.

Either way, you are right about one thing: this discussion has become pointless.

-Quinn

[BlackAdder]

I found your original post pretty goddamn offensive....you think being in your situation you would be a bit more understanding and liberal than that..


Your also also really misinformed and more then a little ignorant. I found these statements to be particularly laughable:

"the majority of “ straight “ men don’t get off by having the Prostate Stimulated"

Wrong.

And

"and although it is a prerequisite that my man Sucks & Licks before he Sticks… "

So tell me pray tell, what STRAIGHT man sucks & licks a GG's dick??? UMm......can you say none??? Because, last time i checked, only the male sex has a penis.....WTF is making your tgirl-cock sucking guy any "straighter" then a guy that likes to be penetrated????

Man...you are one ignorant, clueless, and spiteful little thing arent you??? I can say that Ive been a bottom a few times for a girl some years ago, and i NEVER felt emasculated in any way, shape or form......You would have to have a TINY, TINY ego to let something like that threaten you......

There's some other statements I have issue with, but Im thinking you get the idea.

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

Priceless_PrincessNYC

My my my ... care to join me in my fantasies... now that I can see you (avatar)?



Anytime... brick City... anytime.... LOL As long as you don't wanna be penatrated....LOL

[Jasadin]

So many tgirls say Iwant a" str8" man but a man who is into tgirls isn't considered "str8".It's like so many of us place a unfair title on men.I think in genearal some of us are too dam hypocritical.Any guy tryin to get with us is headed for a mine field.Anything a guy does with me is str8 because I'm a girl.I'm not really into "topping" alot myself but being with a man who offers it up doesn't make me think any less about him.I don't think he is gay or bisexual.In fact I think he is a little more progressive and in touch with his body.I know what I am now and him wanting me inside him every blue moon isn't a bad thing.I feel like men who dig us are able to accept us as women better than we accept ourselves.Sometimes I wonder if my newness or naiveness gives my a more open mind but really when you think about it there isn't a rule book for transpeople defining what's hetero when tryin to overcome and define a identity.
So let me make up rule number one:


REAL MEN LIKE TGIRLS :lol: How can they not?Most of us are hyperfeminine to overcome our genetic predisposition anyway.We strive for beauty as much as passibility.

[TomSelis]

So many tgirls say Iwant a" str8" man but a man who is into tgirls isn't considered "str8".It's like so many of us place a unfair title on men.I think in genearal some of us are too dam hypocritical.Any guy tryin to get with us is headed for a mind field.Anything a guy does with me is str8 because I'm a girl.I'm not really into "topping" alot myself but being with a man who offers it up doesn't make me think any less about him.I don't think he is gay or bisexual.In fact I think he is a little more progressive and in touch with his body.I know what I am now and him wanting me inside him every blue moon isn't a bad thing.I feel like men who dig us are able to accept us as women better than we accept ourselves.Sometimes I wonder if my newness or naiveness gives my a more open mind but really when you think about it there isn't a rule book for transpeople defining what's hetero when tryin to overcome and define a identity.
So let me make up rule number one:


REAL MEN LIKE TGIRLS :lol: How can they not?Most of us are hyperfeminine to overcome our genetic predisposition anyway.We strive for beauty as much as passibility.

Jasadin,

You're the first girl that I've ever saw say that. That's exactly how I feel.

Marry me?

[Ecstatic]

I would be curios to have a poll how many TG admires are Bottoms? Versatile? And TOP?
14,715 bottoms, 19,233 tops, and 7,524 versatile TG admirers live in the lower east side of Manhatten. Tabulated by one grad student in sociology conducting field after drinking 764 Starbucks Grande lattes at once.

Serious answer: I'm versatile. I enjoy roles and am happy to take the role that my partner wants (which makes me a bit submissive though I'm not remotely interested in master/slave types of relationships).

BTW… the majority of “ straight “ men don’t get off by having the Prostate Stimulated. They Jack their Dicks and Cum… again being penetrated is mostly about domination…with a little stimulation…. LOL
I dont care if your with a GG, TS or Gay MaleI think the majority of straight men have never had their prostate stimulated and can't imagine what it's like. It's a revelation to be masturbating and reach down and in to stim that gland and suddenly your orgasm goes off the charts. If more men knew the benefits, you'd see a shift in opinion.

[Jasadin]

Jasadin,

You're the first girl that I've ever saw say that. That's exactly how I feel.

Marry me? :oops: :oops: :oops:

[Embrujada]

This is my first post ,, so please take it easy on me .

Seems to me like the main problem here is that there is no generally accepted definition of what homosexuality is . Is homosexuality already that when it is conceived in the mind? or is it the confirming of those feelings through physical actions that makes one a homosexual.

Lets take anal sex for example .. Was anal sex not once taboo? Now it is a widely accepted practice ,.,. even in hypocrite central USA. It has become common place for a man to disguise himself as a "straight" man under the guise of being a metrosexual. Society in it's inability to accept the reality that homosexuality is more common place than we are willing to admit has found ways to deny homosexuality even when it stares them right in the face.

women marry homosexual men daily and maybe in some of these rlationships there is copulation between these couples. I mean come on Governor Jim Megrevy(sp) of New Jersey had a "healthy" relationship with his wife and even had children as a result .

So we are once again faced with the question of what homosexuality is . In the traditional sense a homo was seen as being a "sissy, a feminine guy, the guy who didnt sleep around or play sports or hung around with the girls" We have come to know that there are jocks who are homos too. Homosexuality is not the way you act or the company you keep and to an extent I do not even think it is your sexual orientation. I admire transsexuals, it excites me to look at them to masturbate to them . on the other hand i am in a healthy relationship of my own with a gg (i hate that word... Feminine is a mind set not a bra size) I could never fathom the idea of being penetrated by a penis but to be honest five years I never could have believed that fantasizing about sucking a ts dick would turn me on or that anal sex could be so pleasurable.

Lets look at it this way to all the guys that say i'm straight cause I dont get fucked in the ass . Lets say u were amongst your "straight " friends and decided to let them in on the fact that you suck dick but dont take dick up the ass .. Would that make u look any less gay than the fact that u do fuck someone with a dick and suck her dick?

I love pussy and have come to realise that I also love fucking ass. I love fantasizing about transsexuals but have decided to let it remain just that for now . A fantasy .. cause we all need a closet of our own a world away from reality but i prefer keep it just that for now cause u never want to get into something and do it then regret.

So I say if u're comfortable with it and it dosent hurt anyone go ahead and be happy. But lets not fool ourselves. We live in a society where sucking dick or taking it up the ass is considered gay so if u're gonna live by these labels dont be offended when they're placed on you. I for one chose to be just me. not african american or negro or black i mean u can call me whatever u want but in the end when i close my eyes the only one in my head is just me ...

[bananix]

well someone can call me straight, bisexual or homosexual doesn't matter i don't put myself in any category so it depends on the other individuals point of view. so don't think i shouldn't then say in any cases one of those. i don't know even if i've had sex i probably have come in contact with someone and gotten sexually stimulated but never to my recollection kissed or penetrated or such what most ppl think as sex but in my mind i have done many things :D so what i think is i can say i'm sexual and have become sexually stimulated when coming in contact with someone.

[bananix]

also i'd like to add that i've experienced this what i call awakening and entered what i call light and i don't belive i was a sexual being when i was in that state but now i am...

[danny27]

My Opinion Would be , In " Priceless Princess's " Case , " Pricelss Princess TS " IS Well Lovely ! And So Therefore Soo Well Worthy To Be made Love To As A Woman Or In Any Way She So Desired . Only My Opinion :P

[BlackAdder]

Fucking sickening...Dude...can you shove your tongue any farther up her ass???

[hwbs]

this topic is brought to u by Snickers...."Its only satisfying if u eat it " :lol:

[slinky]

I think that anyone who asks these questions does so because they question their own sexuality, and tries to turn it around and act like it's someone else's problem/issue. On top of that I think that those who, in such a place as this, judge others (this is "GAY", that is "GAY" - always in the pejoritive) deserve all of the judgement which they have had heaped on them in the past, and in the future.

[scorpion]

Im happy in my possision... a gayman in a relation whit a transexuall beauty
Scorpi

[tsbrenda]

NO! STRAIGHT MEN DO NOT GO DOWN ON TS'S OR GET BOTTOMED OR TOP OR HAVE SEX WITH TG OR TS OR TV OR CD'S.
its just plain and simple truth what gay is and whats bisexual.
QUIT TRYING TO CREATE NEW DEFINITIONS FOR WHAT GAY AND WHATS STRAIGHT!

[Sinister]

well these topic has reached 8 pages so i'll just throw my 2 cents in. I'm strictly a top who has never been fucked before nor does it interest me to be topped. as for the title of being straight or bi, i guess it all depends on what a person's opinion of it is, some people still fear the title of homosexual or bi for whatever reason but whether most people like to admit it or not TS HAVE DICKS! i remember when i first started having sex with ts i insisted that i was 100% straight but years i've come to accept that i am bi. i could never date or sleep with a "regular" guy which i believe is the same for most people here and that's where the confusion with the title comes in. some people don't like to think as ts as being once guys so they only focus on who they are now (which is fine) but i don't think the topic will ever be fully resolved since people will always have a difference of opinion

[Andrew Johnson]

i forgot im not posting here anymore...


LMAO at that one! :P :P :D :P :P

[Jasadin]

Here we go again :) as the voice of reason


Things change.What may be considered as "gay" or"str8" is attached to an old idea that we exist as male or female period.Now some of us realize the variation within nature.We got cd/tv/tg,several types of hermaphodites and/or intersexed people like XXY,XO etc...
Yet we still try to apply 2 dimensional thinking.We constantly try to force the spectrum of gender or sexuality into either box STR8 or GAY.We fail to acknowledge that TRANS isn't applicable for these boxes(well some of us).In a way TRANS is a new catagory on the ever expanding spectrum.We can choose to embrace and enpower each other or vocally commit gay slander cause a guy's prostate was involved.
I still find it amazing that a mate/date can accept us as women and we can't accept them as men.Most of us where born with a penis and lived with issues about gender and sexuality at one point.Then we transition and now we are the experts on what a man is?C'mon people please.I must be a blacksheep ts or something.


I'M FREE ENOUGH TO LET OTHERS BE FREE

I always expected this community to be the most open and understanding(being a guy at one point).Yet I find we are the most judgemental,HYPERcritical sexist gender dictators on Earth.

[Ecstatic]

Well said, Jasadin. I've been making the same argument for years, but as Paul Simon says, "still a [man - change the gender if you wish] hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." It seems that those who are openmined about will remain openminded, and those who are closeminded or for whatever reason feel constrained by socially accepted jargon (straight, gay, bi) will remain constrained, and never the twain shall meet.

[BlackAdder]

Certainly with the "new" classes of sexuality if thats what your inclined to call em....I definetly know im not gay, nor even bi....men do nothing for me sexually. Certainly not 100% straight either so eventually therell be a name for it lol, as im not the only one.

[Dkg]

Well, since I'm neither physically nor sexually attracted to men I wouldn't consider myself gay. Also, I have no desire to be pentrated. I probably wouldn't mind somewhere down the road to try it out once (I'm a fairly open minded person) but I'm not craving to have some ts shove her dick up my ass...lol....not in the least.

Although, since I would have no problem sucking her off, would that make me not "straightr"? I dunno, I'm starting to really hate all of this labeling stuff.

[Son Goku]

Tgurls topping guys, guys topping tgurls - it's so confusing - someone please post some visual aids (in abundance) so I can grasp the topic! :D

[danny27]

Black Adder Said ......

" Fucking sickening...Dude...can you shove your tongue any farther up her ass??? "


It's what''s called freedom of speech - Ist Amedment to The U.S. consitution and all that .You obviously don't like any view other than your own view of a narrrow minded bigot and " mental - mideet " such as yourself . You are obviously not comfortable or " at home " with the U.S. 1st amendment and Freedom of Sppech . I can suugest places where a nazi bum like you would feel very much at home (1) zimbabwe ( under robert " hitler " mugabe ) (2) irag ( under saddam hussein ) (3) germany ( under hitler ) . You're too late for (2) and (3) about which , you must be very sad . Why not try for prison guard's job ( you may no get it it does require a minimum I.Q. of 20 i.e. 19 more than you will ever have ) then if anyone said anyhing not in accord with your tiny warped bigot's brain ( brain cell count ? = 2 ) you could beat them , without any fear of retribution !! Translated that means thicko !! that " I will say what I want , when I want to , without any refernce whatsover to any nazi bum bigot such as you !! " Go take a hike you " nazi bum " !!!!!! Change your Everyone now sing ( to the tune of colonel bogey ....." hitler ( blackadder) has only got one ball.... hitler ( blackadder ) and that is VERY small .... himmler (blackadder ) is VERY similar " ....etc etc etc ....

DANNY 27 ( and NOT 100 like htiler / blackadder )

[drock]

Priceless_PrincessNYC well first things first. It's nice to see your pic and I must say that I wouldn't mind tapping that azz (your azz) my damn self.

with that being said I happen to be one of those brothas who think TS girls who consider themselves totally tops to be just a got damn waste. I mean what's the point of having a nice phat azz and tig ole bitties only to want to mount some dude and screw him. Azz like that should be hit from the back and that's what should be going down. I don't understand guys who say they wanna roll over and have some TS fuck them?

[Ecstatic]

Priceless_PrincessNYC well first things first. It's nice to see your pic and I must say that I wouldn't mind tapping that azz (your azz) my damn self.

with that being said I happen to be one of those brothas who think TS girls who consider themselves totally tops to be just a got damn waste. I mean what's the point of having a nice phat azz and tig ole bitties only to want to mount some dude and screw him. Azz like that should be hit from the back and that's what should be going down. I don't understand guys who say they wanna roll over and have some TS fuck them?
I agree that "azz like that should be hit from the back" (or front or side, lol). But I guess you just won't get the point about guys wanting to get hit, too: it feels damn good. It's not gay (unless you insist on hanging on to that silly label, but who cares), it's simply sexual pleasure. If a girl wants to hit my ass, it's all hers: I enjoy it and if she likes it, there's no problem. If she doesn't like it, that's cool too. That's the advantage of being versatile! My goal is to get and give pleasure with my partner. What else is there? She's not less of a woman in my eyes if she enjoys topping: hell, she's got a cock and it feels good, so why should she not enjoy it if she wants? Likewise for the guy: he's got a prostrate and it feels good to receive, so he's no less a man if he does. It's two people enjoying one another in the privacy of their bedroom. Who gives a flying fuck? (Apparently, way too many people!)

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

Thanks Danny 27 Drock and any one else who has shown me” Luv”
I started this Topic c and I see that it has divided the Masses. Obviously we are not going to come to any conclusions.. .. T-girl admires.. be honest with your T-girl.. don’t tell her that your want apples when you really want oranges…. Be who you are and show her love and respect.

[Dkg]

J, ur a girl??

[Dkg]

what does that have to do with anything?

you base your gender on how much money someone has?

[tsntx]

how much cash u got? lol

[Saintrose]

Too many labels people ! Just go with what feels right and works for you. As long as you're not hurting anyone....just roll with it !
And play SAFE
:wink:

[hwbs]

j pretty much hit the nail on the head...now ash out this tired topic

[Embrujada]

how fucking sad, u build a little imaginary world for urself with ur own little dictionary of words defining things exactly as they need to be for u to disguise reality and take care of ur issues...

its so cute to see u ask why you would go through all the trouble of being so feminine to penetrate another man, perhaps a better question is why someone would be manly and macho his whole life only to top someone who labels themselves female yet has a cock (clitty, haha)...u see ur a fucking hypocrite... theres more logic to u being a man despite the titties and makeup than ur man being a woman due to his desire for penetration...yet u frown upon one and ignore the other...

i respect allanah, vicky and all girls who say fuck labels fuck everything, i want someone who loves me and makes me feel good...of course, treat me like a lady and give me the respect u would to any genetic female, but in the bedroom i offer more options than she does, hell, thats probably the biggest selling point of any TS...in fact if u removed from the dating pool all men into TSs who werent men under ur definiation...mmm ide say youde have 3 people at every party...and guess what, youde probably find a reason to bitch on them down the road to...bottom line, relationships suck for the most part, limiting urself and creating issues doesnt help...although i respect u for conceding that ur a bit bitter and this is a result of that...

lastly, although i find what u say abhorant, i find u to be articulate, sweet and a good person overall, and its a pleasure to disagree with someone i respect than the fuckin clowns like legend, yourdaddy or the other scumbags that permeate this place...

I really liked this post . Was about to go to bed but had to say I appreciated the overall post. Being with a transsexual if we were to use societal terms is a homosexual act. I think wanting a "manly/macho" man is more of a personal/self issue than it is an issue with the man himself. So if one questions her own femininity as a direct result of this she would undoubtedly find a partner who makes her feel more secure.

Girls base their male romantic ideal on their relationship with their father. "When I grow up, will I ever find a man as sweet and good and kind as my daddy" is how one women expressed it. A three-year-old girl is at the stage of her development when she wants to marry Daddy and have mother out of the way. A good father helps her to understand that he is spoken for and prepares her for another man. But if he leaves, her idealization of her father can become frozen in time. There are more deeply rooted issues here than just a woman wanting a man who dosent get fucked in his ass.

This is true not only with Transsexuals but most females. I dont subscribe to Labels as instituted by society. This post was not an attempt to offend anyone in anyway..

[BlackAdder]

"be honest with your T-girl.. don’t tell her that your want apples when you really want oranges…. Be who you are and show her love and respect."


I can agree with this part at least.

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

how fucking sad, u build a little imaginary world for urself with ur own little dictionary of words defining things exactly as they need to be for u to disguise reality and take care of ur issues...

its so cute to see u ask why you would go through all the trouble of being so feminine to penetrate another man, perhaps a better question is why someone would be manly and macho his whole life only to top someone who labels themselves female yet has a cock (clitty, haha)...u see ur a fucking hypocrite... theres more logic to u being a man despite the titties and makeup than ur man being a woman due to his desire for penetration...yet u frown upon one and ignore the other...

i respect allanah, vicky and all girls who say fuck labels fuck everything, i want someone who loves me and makes me feel good...of course, treat me like a lady and give me the respect u would to any genetic female, but in the bedroom i offer more options than she does, hell, thats probably the biggest selling point of any TS...in fact if u removed from the dating pool all men into TSs who werent men under ur definiation...mmm ide say youde have 3 people at every party...and guess what, youde probably find a reason to bitch on them down the road to...bottom line, relationships suck for the most part, limiting urself and creating issues doesnt help...although i respect u for conceding that ur a bit bitter and this is a result of that...

lastly, although i find what u say abhorant, i find u to be articulate, sweet and a good person overall, and its a pleasure to disagree with someone i respect than the fuckin clowns like legend, yourdaddy or the other scumbags that permeate this place...



WOW … this is some shit to wake up to…LOL can’t ya’ll tell I have enough personal problems and don’t have time to be defending myself and views on this Message board….. Damn… hear we go again….LOL :lol:
J----
My love.. my love.. my love…. Although your message begin harshly I refuse to stoop to the level of personally offending you. You are entitled to your opinion (as I am mine) . Yet attacking my character and calling me names is totally unnecessary & unwarranted . This is a form for people to voice there opinions and I refuse to allow you or anyone else to verbally assault or attempt to intimidate me into changing my opinion or backing down. I would assume you resorted to these tactics in order to provoke a response from me…. so please-- allow me to oblige you!!!!!.
. :twisted:


I really wish that you would have Taken the time to read my original posting more vigilantly. I was not placing the “ Labels” I was simply requesting that some T-girl admires stop using the “ label” straight to describe or introduce themselves. I went on to say that I understood why some men that Top T-girls still considered themselves
“ straight” ( although some TS admires that TOP admit to being BI) but I believed men that get fucked using the term straight were stretching the term too far!!!.
I am fairly intelligent and well aware of all of the societal issues that plague this subject and even went as far to say we could address/save some of those issues for another posting or topic. General society says if you are involved with someone with the same genitals you are Gay or BI. Again… I did not want to touch any of these issues.
I DON’T AGREE WITH MIANSTREAM SOCITY !!!
And although I took my opinion further as the thread went on.
I simply do not believe that men that get fucked should refer to themselves as straight, You may agree or disagree. I am sure that 90% of the men who are bottom or versatile oppose my views…unlike some of the postings of the total tops who support my outlook never the less it’s Just my opinion I am entitled to it… Let me have it!!! I am not ruler of the universe. My views don’t have to change your lifestyle or influence you -- point blank. This is a room for discussions and opinions. Should no one that disagrees with you post there opinion? Do you automatically go to war or make enemies of anyone that shares a different view? Are you a closed minded individual who can’t respect the opinions of others? I didn’t attack any of the people that disagreed with my posting,
I guess I made an error thinking that people would be intelligent enough to discuss the issue vociferously without attacking one another personally. I see now that may have been mistaken. Then again… most people did not resort to name calling or personal attacks. BTW I am not a ‘HYPOCRITE”
I can see that you’re a veteran poster and I will trust that your initial tactics were simply a passionate mistake.. I will charge it to the game…. No hard feelings Buddy---(although I would pay too see what you look like!) LOL anyways….
You spoke about the imaginary world I have built for myself and the way I identify myself and gentiles ( ha – ha ha) yet you fail to realize that being a t-girl is all about illusion and imagery and how we envision ourselves. To me being a T-girl is not a hobby or role. I am not a drag queen playing Dress up on stage. I am not simply some man playing dress up to turn Guys on. You belittled me for my make up, & breast and speak of me ignoring the fact I was born a male. To the contrary I am painfully aware of my situation and present myself as a female because that is the easiest way I can make my insides match my outside. I am a T-girl because this is the only option someone in my situation truly has… My brain, my soul, and my heart is that of a woman.. Not just my outer appearance. You may think that my cock and offering more than a GG
“in the bed room” is my biggest selling point…. That may be true.. for the T-girl admirer…but I hate to disappoint you … having more to offer than a GG in the bedroom is Not the motive or the biggest selling point or reason I am a TS woman.
I would much rather been born a beautiful biological woman without the additional options you speak of.! You may choose to be intimate with a TS over a GG but most TS would not choose to be a TS over a GG if we had that option at birth!!!!. In fact … [now read closely so no one misinterprets or misconstrues my point again … ]
I challenge you to find one TRANSGENDERED pre-op or post, whom you mentioned in admiration … or who has been making postings in this room before this date… to say that she would rather participate in sexual acts with her penis as a Transgender woman , than to have been BORN (not SRS) but to have been Born a BEATUFUL BIOLOIGACAL WOMAN having vaginal/anal intercourse with her heterosexual partner. Again… I am not saying all T-girls want to have a sex change .. so don’t even start that thread…..LOL
Although some T girls use their dicks because they have them… and although I would not have a sex change and get rid of my penis personally… if I would have had the opportunity… I would have been born a Biological woman and I would not be dealing with men who crave cock.,. Although I am smart enough to know my appeal as a TS woman and the opportunities and remuneration the life has to offer.

Being TG is not about having more to offer than a GG… it’s about playing the hand we were dealt. Making our outer appearance match our inner feelings.. when life gave me lemons I made lemonade.
Furthermore I ask…. If all TG’s could be born in their imagined bodies... If you removed TG”s from the dating pool… what would happen to our admires? Would you have sex with men that present them selves as men but have sex with other men …or would you be satisfied with vibrators & strap-on to fulfill that need to have cock or your prostate penetrated.?
In closing….
Maybe I should have worded my topic question differently.
Maybe I should have asked why SOME men that crave cock and get fucked label themselves as straight?
Maybe I should have not singled out the bottoms from the tops.. Everyone does not want to get caught up in labels.. I can feel you on that… labels definitely divide.. .
However what are some of us afraid of??? Facing the reality of the situation.? Sometimes labels are necessary… Black, Latino, white, male female
I always have had more respect for anyone that can be honest about who he/she is and what he/she wants. Than someone that lies and denies. If your black you don’t say your white… ect.. My goodness. I am not trying to insult the men that are into T-girls . Varity is the spice of life. I would love to be a Genetic woman .. My drivers license says I am indeed “Female”. Yet no matter how many surgeries I have I will never be a Biological woman. I would not post an ad that says ‘GENITC FEMALE SEEKS MAN” society has branded me as a Transsexual or Transgender individual And Although There may be shame or stigma attached to the term. I don’t refuse the title Transgender simply because I wish I was a biological woman and I don’t want to be labeled. To me it basically boils down to honesty I am a woman trapped inside a male Body… society has labeled me Transgender and Black …and I wear both of those “ labels” with pride.…
Love and Light
Peace to all-----

[Embrujada]

how fucking sad, u build a little imaginary world for urself with ur own little dictionary of words defining things exactly as they need to be for u to disguise reality and take care of ur issues...

its so cute to see u ask why you would go through all the trouble of being so feminine to penetrate another man, perhaps a better question is why someone would be manly and macho his whole life only to top someone who labels themselves female yet has a cock (clitty, haha)...u see ur a fucking hypocrite... theres more logic to u being a man despite the titties and makeup than ur man being a woman due to his desire for penetration...yet u frown upon one and ignore the other...

i respect allanah, vicky and all girls who say fuck labels fuck everything, i want someone who loves me and makes me feel good...of course, treat me like a lady and give me the respect u would to any genetic female, but in the bedroom i offer more options than she does, hell, thats probably the biggest selling point of any TS...in fact if u removed from the dating pool all men into TSs who werent men under ur definiation...mmm ide say youde have 3 people at every party...and guess what, youde probably find a reason to bitch on them down the road to...bottom line, relationships suck for the most part, limiting urself and creating issues doesnt help...although i respect u for conceding that ur a bit bitter and this is a result of that...

lastly, although i find what u say abhorant, i find u to be articulate, sweet and a good person overall, and its a pleasure to disagree with someone i respect than the fuckin clowns like legend, yourdaddy or the other scumbags that permeate this place...



WOW … this is some shit to wake up to…LOL can’t ya’ll tell I have enough personal problems and don’t have time to be defending myself and views on this Message board….. Damn… hear we go again….LOL :lol:
J----
My love.. my love.. my love…. Although your message begin harshly I refuse to stoop to the level of personally offending you. You are entitled to your opinion (as I am mine) . Yet attacking my character and calling me names is totally unnecessary & unwarranted . This is a form for people to voice there opinions and I refuse to allow you or anyone else to verbally assault or attempt to intimidate me into changing my opinion or backing down. I would assume you resorted to these tactics in order to provoke a response from me…. so please-- allow me to oblige you!!!!!.
. :twisted:


I really wish that you would have Taken the time to read my original posting more vigilantly. I was not placing the “ Labels” I was simply requesting that some T-girl admires stop using the “ label” straight to describe or introduce themselves. I went on to say that I understood why some men that Top T-girls still considered themselves
“ straight” ( although some TS admires that TOP admit to being BI) but I believed men that get fucked using the term straight were stretching the term too far!!!.
I am fairly intelligent and well aware of all of the societal issues that plague this subject and even went as far to say we could address/save some of those issues for another posting or topic. General society says if you are involved with someone with the same genitals you are Gay or BI. Again… I did not want to touch any of these issues.
I DON’T AGREE WITH MIANSTREAM SOCITY !!!
And although I took my opinion further as the thread went on.
I simply do not believe that men that get fucked should refer to themselves as straight, You may agree or disagree. I am sure that 90% of the men who are bottom or versatile oppose my views…unlike some of the postings of the total tops who support my outlook never the less it’s Just my opinion I am entitled to it… Let me have it!!! I am not ruler of the universe. My views don’t have to change your lifestyle or influence you -- point blank. This is a room for discussions and opinions. Should no one that disagrees with you post there opinion? Do you automatically go to war or make enemies of anyone that shares a different view? Are you a closed minded individual who can’t respect the opinions of others? I didn’t attack any of the people that disagreed with my posting,
I guess I made an error thinking that people would be intelligent enough to discuss the issue vociferously without attacking one another personally. I see now that may have been mistaken. Then again… most people did not resort to name calling or personal attacks. BTW I am not a ‘HYPOCRITE”
I can see that you’re a veteran poster and I will trust that your initial tactics were simply a passionate mistake.. I will charge it to the game…. No hard feelings Buddy---(although I would pay too see what you look like!) LOL anyways….
You spoke about the imaginary world I have built for myself and the way I identify myself and gentiles ( ha – ha ha) yet you fail to realize that being a t-girl is all about illusion and imagery and how we envision ourselves. To me being a T-girl is not a hobby or role. I am not a drag queen playing Dress up on stage. I am not simply some man playing dress up to turn Guys on. You belittled me for my make up, & breast and speak of me ignoring the fact I was born a male. To the contrary I am painfully aware of my situation and present myself as a female because that is the easiest way I can make my insides match my outside. I am a T-girl because this is the only option someone in my situation truly has… My brain, my soul, and my heart is that of a woman.. Not just my outer appearance. You may think that my cock and offering more than a GG
“in the bed room” is my biggest selling point…. That may be true.. for the T-girl admirer…but I hate to disappoint you … having more to offer than a GG in the bedroom is Not the motive or the biggest selling point or reason I am a TS woman.
I would much rather been born a beautiful biological woman without the additional options you speak of.! You may choose to be intimate with a TS over a GG but most TS would not choose to be a TS over a GG if we had that option at birth!!!!. In fact … [now read closely so no one misinterprets or misconstrues my point again … ]
I challenge you to find one TRANSGENDERED pre-op or post, whom you mentioned in admiration … or who has been making postings in this room before this date… to say that she would rather participate in sexual acts with her penis as a Transgender woman , than to have been BORN (not SRS) but to have been Born a BEATUFUL BIOLOIGACAL WOMAN having vaginal/anal intercourse with her heterosexual partner. Again… I am not saying all T-girls want to have a sex change .. so don’t even start that thread…..LOL
Although some T girls use their dicks because they have them… and although I would not have a sex change and get rid of my penis personally… if I would have had the opportunity… I would have been born a Biological woman and I would not be dealing with men who crave cock.,. Although I am smart enough to know my appeal as a TS woman and the opportunities and remuneration the life has to offer.

Being TG is not about having more to offer than a GG… it’s about playing the hand we were dealt. Making our outer appearance match our inner feelings.. when life gave me lemons I made lemonade.
Furthermore I ask…. If all TG’s could be born in their imagined bodies... If you removed TG”s from the dating pool… what would happen to our admires? Would you have sex with men that present them selves as men but have sex with other men …or would you be satisfied with vibrators & strap-on to fulfill that need to have cock or your prostate penetrated.?
In closing….
Maybe I should have worded my topic question differently.
Maybe I should have asked why SOME men that crave cock and get fucked label themselves as straight?
Maybe I should have not singled out the bottoms from the tops.. Everyone does not want to get caught up in labels.. I can feel you on that… labels definitely divide.. .
However what are some of us afraid of??? Facing the reality of the situation.? Sometimes labels are necessary… Black, Latino, white, male female
I always have had more respect for anyone that can be honest about who he/she is and what he/she wants. Than someone that lies and denies. If your black you don’t say your white… ect.. My goodness. I am not trying to insult the men that are into T-girls . Varity is the spice of life. I would love to be a Genetic woman .. My drivers license says I am indeed “Female”. Yet no matter how many surgeries I have I will never be a Biological woman. I would not post an ad that says ‘GENITC FEMALE SEEKS MAN” society has branded me as a Transsexual or Transgender individual And Although There may be shame or stigma attached to the term. I don’t refuse the title Transgender simply because I wish I was a biological woman and I don’t want to be labeled. To me it basically boils down to honesty I am a woman trapped inside a male Body… society has labeled me Transgender and Black …and I wear both of those “ labels” with pride.…
Love and Light
Peace to all-----

I appreciate u taking time to clear up some issues . But your views still are a bit conflicting . Because on one hand u say that u dont subscribe to "labels" but aparently your issue is with "straight" guys not being the affore mentioned term.

My problem with that is (as u yourself stated) that being in a sexual act with someone of a like gender technically(societal terms again) erases the possibility of one being straight. Maybe this could be more of a societal than a sexual issue.

Lets take for example the term "homo-thugs" . Men who act and look like there is no possibility of them being gay and in all reality are. The traditional views of sex, sexuality and gender maybe need to be revised.
Interesting discussion though .........

[BlackAdder]

"I was simply requesting that some T-girl admires stop using the “ label” straight to describe or introduce themselves."



Why do you even care?? The best course is to let people believe what they want to believe. If someone said that I wasnt straight, i could maybe see there justification, but im certainly not gay or bi....So what would you call it?? You want to me to introduce myself as, "Hi, im 99% straight except for that ejaculating penis hanging off a women thing." Psssh.

[MarylandsMighty]

In my opinion the worst thing anyone involved in something that deviates from the societal norm can do is begin to bash each other.

Look, this whole site and scene or lifestyle if you will is based around men with breasts. Or chicks with dicks if you prefer.

Whatever you feel is your business and if you believe it than you will never be up for debate.

However, get a room full of TS, and some TS admiring men together.

Put straight men and women in the other room. None of them will care where we stick our show or who does the sticking. They will lump us all together.

So like what you like, top what you want, get on the bottom if you desire. Just be happy. No sense in any of us arguing.

[Priceless_PrincessNYC]

At this point this topic is like beating a dead horse... lets' agree to disagree... and move on.... again Peace and Love to all and I appreciate the feed back from both sides.

[BlackAdder]

Indeed, welcome aboard. Like J says though, dont expect all of us here to stick our tongues in your ass and stroke your ego lol.. Some of us only give credit where credit is due and your not going to get much love on this board posting that men who like to bottom are like some emasculated faggoty pansy lol.

[RangeHova]

I'm not one to support personal attacks and shit so I won't high five the poster that handed them out but I do have to say that there was a huge mount of hypocracy when one deems a man who sucks a dick straight and has no way possible of seeing how a man who bottoms as bi.

Sexuality has little to do with the act but more about the person you are being sexual with. If a guy never touches, sees or smells the dick, if he is having any kind of sex with a male of any kind them he is committing a homosexual act.

The man who knows who and what you are and pursues you in anyway ain't technically straight.

If all a guy does is dry humps on other guys and he also sleeps with women that is bisexual.

If we are getting technical about it, lets be technical anything else is something that you have made up be it from a different viewpoint, for comfort, or fantasy.

Just don't come to another person with your made up reality and shit on thier made up reality.

[Hugh Jarrod]

At this point this topic is like beating a dead horse... lets' agree to disagree... and move on.... again Peace and Love to all and I appreciate the feed back from both sides.

Exactly, it's a topic touch upon over and over and over again. Every fuckin' week it comes up again. Second only to the "Am I gay?" BS posts. It's all about labelling, and asigning gender rolls and therefore will never be anything other than people disagreeing. Those with the New York state of mind feels top=straight, and bottom=gay. Guys say hey I don't like men so I'm not gay. Someone says bi-sexual and thinks that solves everything (doesn't), bi-sexual men still dig men.

[scorpion]

Ts brenda...you have a point there... Thanks
Scorpion

[Kdawg42]

No i did not read every single post. No i didnt even read the second post. Princess whatever you say sounds good to me........ :shock:

[dabaldone]

J wrote:


the diamond in the rough here is ur incidental querry of what would become of all the admirers absent TSs in society, would some be gay, some bi, some straight, some confused, etc. THAT is deserving of a post and intellectual ping pong, not some thinly veiled post regarding ur disdain for most of the males in ur dating pool...

I used to get caught up in labels. I'm done with that. I have been topped a few times in a LTR. Whatever you want to call me...I am. All I know is I prefer TS women, I prefer to be a top, but like a few posters stated: If my woman wnats to be pleasured by topping me so be it. By the way I love the passage that J wrote. What would become of TS admirers if there were no Tgirls. I would just go back to regular girls. I have no desire to be with a man.

[yosi]

my disappointment with is men that ( and I ‘ll say it for the last time) LABEL THEMS SELVES AS STRAIGHT… WHEN THEY KNOW THEY WANNA BE FUCKED…… .

my dissapointment is shemale that label herself as woman but has a cock......................


both sentences have the same "logic" and I disagree with both of them.

I label myself as straight , maybe it is not the 100% label , but still it is the closest label if the other labels are bi or gay.

are labels so important? and to whom?

[Deepdarkfucker]

I am str8. I never look to get fucked or ever will...love women all types even Tgirls. Love fucking. Hey there are just different strokes for different folks.

Princess that's just the way it is!

[David J.]

Labels are just a pathetic attempt to bring order to a chaotic world. Straight, gay or bi are all very limiting and sometimes inaccurate. Is a man in prison who forces another man to perform oral sex on him gay? Probably not, it was just an act of dominance when there were no GG's available. The question should be what is your sexual preference? Does it tend towards the masculine or towards the feminine. Each one of us fall somewhere on that sliding scale. Genuine tgirl admirers tend to want girls that look like attractive GG's and not just a guy in a dress.

The attraction is the hair, the face, the lips, the breasts, the hips, the legs, and the ass. Even if all of those things are due to surgery it doesn't matter because GG do this as well to attract men; e.g. the padded bra, hair extensions, plastic surgery of all types. Therefore what I seek, and I think other Tg admirers seek, is the "feminine." A "guy in a dress" has never done it for me. And I have never been penetrated and never would because that is not arousing to me (lose erection in a hurry with just the thought of it and when seeing it in some of the videos out there). I think those guys (who want to be penetrated) tend to want to be the "feminine" in the relationship and it seems to me to be counter to what a real TG/TS would want.

[slinky]

"Do "STRAIGHT" Guys Get Fucked?"


Ever hear of "divorce"?

[robbie]

"Do "STRAIGHT" Guys Get Fucked?"


Ever hear of "divorce"?

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

Hit a little close to home, but maybe that's why I found it so effing funny.

[Deepdarkfucker]

"Do "STRAIGHT" Guys Get Fucked?"


Ever hear of "divorce"?




I hear ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HungDevil]

Why are so many men afraid of being labelled gay (or with homosexual desires)? To me being gay is natural, ethically upright and a possibly fulfilling experience. To say that you suck cock, but yet you are straight is to split hairs. "Straight" is often a euphenism for being a "top" bisexual or gay man. The fact remains that heterosexuality is still in vogue. A lot of men do not want to give up the benefits both mental and material that come with associating oneself with heterosexuality.


I freely admit that I am bisexual. I qualify this admition by adding that I am only drawn to ultra-feminine men and those who dress like women. I also love women. In the case, of transsexuals they have changed their gender in the hopes of changing their sex as much as humanly possible. The transsexual is the embodiment of the characteristics that I like both in men and women. For me feminity is the prime value. I am also aware that I have little control over my attraction to others, so it is good for my mental health to embrace my being in its totality. I am bisexual and content.

[subray]

"be honest with your T-girl.. don’t tell her that your want apples when you really want oranges…. Be who you are and show her love and respect."


I can agree with this part at least.

Well, I prefer pears..

Got bored after page 6. So, do T*Girls identify as gay men if they only go with guys?

Personally, I like to fuck, be fucked, suck, be sucked.. I have gg gf's who have no qualms in me fucking them or them fucking me. However, I have no desire to go with a guy unless he is a great looking woman. I accept my sexuality as poly-sexual. Gay - no. I am not drawn to men. Straight - no. I like to much no-straight stuff. But at the end of the day, does it matter? Sex is sex.. and there to be enjoyed in whatever way you choose. So just get on with having fun.

[RangeHova]

Damnm, this post is back again!!!

[BeardedOne]

A "fetish" is when you lust after inanimate objects.

Debatable, as I consider myself to have a pregnancy fetish. Though, on reflection, one of my pregnant lovers did say it was "...wierd to think of [herself] as a fetish object".

I must ponder this. :?

[chefmike]

So Zach22 is still trying to figure out why her(?) boyfriend lusts after trannies....and becoming increasingly more annoying in the process... :roll:

[hwbs]

we need to have the "hung angels" ............ AM I GAY.....hollywood squares game, lmao........whos the gayest of them all to put in the center square???? :trolls

[BeardedOne]

we need to have the "hung angels" ............ AM I GAY.....hollywood squares game, lmao........whos the gayest of them all to put in the center square???? :trolls

OMG! :shock:

Now that you mention it:

Paul Lynde
Whoopi Goldberg
Wayland Flowers

A pattern forms! :lol:

[chefmike]

chef mike.. deary.. you must be in love with me or you are stalking me!!

then that must make you gay..
bye.LMAO...Oh dear! Not that!!!!!

[NickTheQuick]

For those that do...

http://rapidshare.de/files/12551555/Belladonna-EnemaGuide.avi.htm

[slinky]

A "fetish" is when you lust after inanimate objects. Transsexuals are human beings, in case you didn't notice.

Google says:

Results 1 - 10 of about 13,900,000 for foot fetish. (0.15 seconds)

[tsbrenda]

now that you are gay and u know it chefmike what r u gonna do?

[chefmike]

now that you are gay and u know it chefmike what r u gonna do?

Are you running loose again Dr. Frankenboob? Your keepers really need to keep a closer eye on your batshit crazy ass...I will have to concur with the below quote, from one of the many posters on this board who realize what a nutjob that you are..


get the fuck out of here.....you're not even a broad or a tranny.....

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=57722&highlight=#57722

http://www.hungangels.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=4919&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10
the pic in question above has been removed by the nutcase who posted it...

Break out the butterfly nets, Dr. frankenboob is loose again!

http://www.hungangels.com/board/search.php?search_author=tsbrenda

[djbj_2_2_69]

Just to chime in. I don't mind going down on a TG, but I wouldn't cry if she said she wasn't into it.
Also I don't like to be topped. I tried it and found I'm really not into it. Just doesn't turn me on.

[margalho1968]

Going back to the initial issue I'd like to say something!
You can call me wathever you'd like but, one thing is certain! I'm not an homosexual!
An homosexual is someone who loves or feels atration for the same sex gender!
With all respect for homosexuals or gay persons, I can´t picture myself with another men!
I feel actrated for women and even more actracted to pre-op transexuals!
Wath am I? Honestely I don't give a shit about that!
And wath do I think about geting penetrated?
Well! Love and sex is a matter of fullfilling eachother! I don't have any tabus about sex, and if my date is pleased to penetrate me I'll be very happy to please her!
Most of the "straigth man" don't even dream the pleasure they can get with their ass hole!
Sex is an act of continous discovery and sometimes we only can be awere of wath we are missing until we do it!
The advice I give to all "straight" is: Try to play with you ass! Is amzingly satisfing to be penetrated! Even by women!
I,ve been penetrated by women and by TS girls and I just love it!
You are not gay if you are penetrated by a woman! You are gay if you are actrated by the same gender! That's diferent!
One last word for TS girls!
All the man that prefer TS girls to the other girls is just because of one thing! Your cock! That makes the diference! So it's normal that they want to play with it!
When you say that man must know his place, the same aplies to TS girls!
Thanks God you are not just women! You are diferent! You are most more than that! I think that you are really the third sex! And I think you're the best of them all!

[shemalefun]

I was with a TS one time and one time only.. and she fucked me it was hot.. and i sucked her cock.. she said "just think of it as like your playing with your own cock".. at the time it made sense lol

[margalho1968]

I was with a TS one time and one time only.. and she fucked me it was hot.. and i sucked her cock.. she said "just think of it as like your playing with your own cock".. at the time it made sense lol

I believe that there are the girls that want to change their sex and are totaly woman, and there are the girls that are happy with themselfes and love their penis and like to use it! I had one relashionship with a T-girls many years ago and she loved to penetrate me, she was not only making me favor to realize any fantasy of mine!
If she didn't want it, probably I had never been penetrated in my live, and I remember I was scared to death! She showed me the pleasure you can get with your ass, I never realized that until I did it!
Although that I was never penetrated by a man! Since then the few times I was penetrated was by women wearing strap-on! Now I´m looking for a T-girl friend for that reason! Who knows! Someday!