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onmyknees
06-23-2011, 01:38 AM
I'm guessing most of you all didn't see this interview but it's worth a look.....especially his assessment at the very end. Might be instructive for some of you when you hear it from one of your own ! For the record, I think Stewart is smart, funny, and despite his cries to the contrary...he's a huge left wing advocate. He just uses comedy as a means to an end...nothing wrong with that, but he needs to man up about it...He's also delusional about the NY Times. Although I could have written the critique below....I didn't. It was posted in the far left blog Salon.com by a left wing blogger. Got a bone to pick? Pick it with him !!


http://www.mrctv.org/videos/jon-stewart-tells-chris-wallace-fox-news-biased-rest-media-arent



[O]utside of "The Daily Show," in interviews like the one he gave to Chris Wallace and even his famous 2004 confrontation that may or may not have killed CNN's "Crossfire," I find that Stewart (and it pains me to say this, as such a fan) can come across as kind of lame, his "media criticism" beyond trite. In interviews, his complaints against the media tend to be an unsophisticated "pox on all of your houses." I thought his largely pointless D.C. mall rally in late October repeated the mistake he makes in these interviews -- trying to argue that our discourse is too loud while ignoring the real point that he hammers home on "The Daily Show," that our politics is irrational.
But the lamest thing of all, frankly, is Stewart trying to absolve responsibility from the gravitas of what he does -- and make no mistake, the gravitas is there -- by claiming that merely, "I am a comedian." That's true, but he fails to see what many others realize, which is that he is also much more than a comedian. In a world where far too much of highly paid professional journalism, especially inside the Beltway, has become a joke, it has fallen on the comedians -- Stewart, Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher perhaps the most prominent -- to say what on-one-hand, on-the-other hand journalists are too tied up in knots to tell you, that much of America's discourse in 2011 is bat-guano insane.


Actually, Jon Stewart, you are an activist, and the cause you fight for is most worthy because -- as you do correctly note -- it is not a purely ideological one, but the cause of reason. And the fight against illogic is not a "fair and balanced" one, that the most dangerous bogus ideas may be concentrated in the spots where global warming doesn't exist and the way to balance a budget deficit is more tax cuts for rich people. For whatever reason, in the past your friend and colleague Colbert -- who coined "truthiness" and said that reality has a known liberal bias -- has gotten it a lot better than you do.


Maybe Stewart is starting to get it, too. He did say on Sunday that he has an ideology that "is non-partisan and focuses on 'absurdity,' 'anti-corruption' and 'anti lack-of-authenticity.'" That sounds exactly right, so now it's time to drop the "just a comedian" shtick, which comes off like a giant cop-out, exactly the kind of thing that you normally expose so very well, night after night.

Ben
06-23-2011, 03:48 AM
I wouldn't describe Jon Stewart as: "left wing." Maybe left-liberal. Or liberal. But definitely not leftist. I wouldn't, well, describe anyone in the so-called mainstream as leftist.
I think we tend to throw those words around without, well, clarifying what they mean. (So, someone like Stewart doesn't favor a radical overhaul of, say, State Capitalism.) So, well, Karl Marx was of the left. And everyone like Stewart and Maddow etc. are to the right of him -- ha! ha! ha!
We just bandy about these words without, again, explicating what they actually mean. (And, too, we need to remember that so-called conservatism came out of classical liberalism.)
I guess we can say conservatives -- like Edmund Burke -- favored very little democracy. Whereas those on the left, so-called far left, favor a lot of democracy. Ya know, people should control their own lives. It's libertarian in structure.

onmyknees
06-23-2011, 04:53 AM
I wouldn't describe Jon Stewart as: "left wing." Maybe left-liberal. Or liberal. But definitely not leftist. I wouldn't, well, describe anyone in the so-called mainstream as leftist.
I think we tend to throw those words around without, well, clarifying what they mean. (So, someone like Stewart doesn't favor a radical overhaul of, say, State Capitalism.) So, well, Karl Marx was of the left. And everyone like Stewart and Maddow etc. are to the right of him -- ha! ha! ha!
We just bandy about these words without, again, explicating what they actually mean. (And, too, we need to remember that so-called conservatism came out of classical liberalism.)
I guess we can say conservatives -- like Edmund Burke -- favored very little democracy. Whereas those on the left, so-called far left, favor a lot of democracy. Ya know, people should control their own lives. It's libertarian in structure.

Ben...I like you, and you're entitled to your opinion, but you're idealistic and naive at times...run down a list of 10 issues ( pick 'em...abortion, cap and tax, border security, Obamacare, single payer, budget, bail outs, debt, guns, Iraq, gay marriage, supreme court, etc) and Stewart will be in line with the left to far left wing of his party. Count on it. I understand your aversion to labels, but he is what he is. He openly admits it....why won't you?

Ben
06-25-2011, 01:34 AM
Ben...I like you, and you're entitled to your opinion, but you're idealistic and naive at times...run down a list of 10 issues ( pick 'em...abortion, cap and tax, border security, Obamacare, single payer, budget, bail outs, debt, guns, Iraq, gay marriage, supreme court, etc) and Stewart will be in line with the left to far left wing of his party. Count on it. I understand your aversion to labels, but he is what he is. He openly admits it....why won't you?

Former Harvard Professor Michael Ignatieff explained the difference between liberal democrats and social democrats. He said that liberal democrats favor individual liberty. Whereas social democrats favor individual equality. (But I'd argue that social democrats aren't left. They're left-liberal. Whereas, say, democratic socialists would be of the left. So, again, I think Stewart is either liberal or left-liberal. But I wouldn't use the word "left" to describe him.)
Obama is seen as a centrist. Or a moderate Republican. Whereas someone like Dick Cheney (if you look at his stance on abortion) would be on the far right.
I mean, I do not consider Obama a leftist. I don't even consider Dennis Kucinich a leftist. I'd argue that Kucinich is liberal. Whereas, say, Bernie Sanders is definitely left-liberal.
I just don't think one can paint so-called "leftists" as being one and the same. There are varying degrees of conservatism. And there are varying degrees of liberalism. (Well, take, say, President Eisenhower. I wouldn't label him as right-wing. By today's standards he'd be a liberal. As was President Nixon. And both Clinton and Obama are, well, moderate Republicans.)