Australia or New Zealand

[Dino Velvet]

I'm American so it's pretty much the same deal. I'll let you guys fight over it.

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/o/outbackjack/07.jpg

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/b/bushwhackers/14.jpg

[dreamon]

I lived in Australia for a while, and loved it.

[Dino Velvet]

Best Aussie ever. Now that's a fuckin' rock star!

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/01/11/1029437/Bon-Scott-Statue-Fremantle-420x0.jpg

http://synthesis.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/bon_scott_narrowweb__300x4570.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/zKzdBULZwxc/0.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/2873338725_d5b150b361.jpg

[russtafa]

Nz rules .mighty all blacks always over the aussie's and better beer

[Dino Velvet]

Best New Zealand Film of All-Time.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VzUgl25IhRI/S7J7uM8iUCI/AAAAAAAAADg/S07axBUx2KM/s1600/Braindead_poster_01.jpg

[russtafa]

Once were warriors,what became of the broken hearted =great films

[theone1982]

Best New Zealand Film of All-Time.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VzUgl25IhRI/S7J7uM8iUCI/AAAAAAAAADg/S07axBUx2KM/s1600/Braindead_poster_01.jpg

No Lord of the Rings?!:)

[tsstella1]

Lets just say;

Edmund Hillary, Zoë Bell, Peter Blake, Michael Campbell, Jane Campion,Anna Paquin, Keisha Castle-Hughes, Neil Finn & Tim Finn (Split Enz, Crowded House), Rachel Hunter, Lucy Lawless (Xena - Warrior Princess), Dave Dobbyn, Sam Neill, Ernest Rutherford (Nuclear physicist), Flight of the Conchords. John Britten - designer of the Britten motorcycle, Richard Pearse - inventor of the first powered flying machine, Colin Murdoch - inventor of the disposable syringe, Bill Hamilton - developed the modern jetboat, A J Hackett - Bungy creator, Morton W. Coutts - invented the revolutionary continuous fermentation method of brewing,

Jed Mildon
http://www.3news.co.nz/Kiwi-lands-worlds-first-triple-backflip-on-BMX/tabid/317/articleID/213046/Default.aspx

and you Aussies can take Russell Crowe.

[theone1982]

Lets just say;

Edmund Hillary, Zoë Bell, Peter Blake, Michael Campbell, Jane Campion,Anna Paquin, Keisha Castle-Hughes, Neil Finn & Tim Finn (Split Enz, Crowded House), Rachel Hunter, Lucy Lawless (Xena - Warrior Princess), Dave Dobbyn, Sam Neill, Ernest Rutherford (Nuclear physicist), Flight of the Conchords. John Britten - designer of the Britten motorcycle, Richard Pearse - inventor of the first powered flying machine, Colin Murdoch - inventor of the disposable syringe, Bill Hamilton - developed the modern jetboat, A J Hackett - Bungy creator, Morton W. Coutts - invented the revolutionary continuous fermentation method of brewing,

Jed Mildon
http://www.3news.co.nz/Kiwi-lands-worlds-first-triple-backflip-on-BMX/tabid/317/articleID/213046/Default.aspx

and you Aussies can take Russell Crowe.

Hey, what's wrong with Russell Crowe?:)
YouTube - ‪The Russell Crowe Show Theme‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-DblXaqQMk&feature=related)
YouTube - ‪take that cancer‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYjEm1FLYOI&feature=related)

[robertlouis]

If there's a more fun city in the world than Sydney, name it.

[iamdrgonzo]

Australia

[alpha2117]

Okay here goes the summary

NZ is smaller. It's largest city is the relatively small Auckland but it's a nice pretty city. The rest of the Nth Island is okay, Wellington the capital is on the southern tip of the nth island, they filmed much of Lord of the Rings there. The less populated Sth Island has many spectacular natural features, glaciers, fjords, and sheep. Nice people, love Rugby Union. Queenstown came 2nd in the best places to visit in the Sthn Hemisphere. As for T-Girls, there aren't that many but if you like islanders there are enough.

Australia is more varied. Deserts, Tropical Rainforests, Snowfields it's a lot bigger so all those things occur. The cities are definitely bigger and more fun in that they have a lot more to do. A lot more T-Girls too if that's what you are looking for. New Zealanders dont need visas to come and stay so a lot of Kiwi T-Girls end up in OZ. Sydney came in first in Sthn Hemisphere cities to visit.

I love both countries dearly. If people were planning to visit you'd need to decide what you wanted out of the holiday

Australia: Beaches, partying, T'girls, more variety
NZ: Better Snowfields, cheaper, no snakes, more intimate

[Jimmy W]

As long as I can get a nice cold VB I'd be happy either place

[CORVETTEDUDE]

New Zealand for me.:shrug

[smilingbutt]

Well there's over half a million kiwis living in Oz - and they ain't coming back either so what does that tell you?

[Quiet Reflections]

I love the Kiwis

[Quiet Reflections]

If there's a more fun city in the world than Sydney, name it.
Miami,NYC, New Orleans, Lake Tahoe, Vegas,Reno,Tokyo,Paris,London,Amsterdam,Rio, Sao Paulo,Reykjavik,Beunos Aires, Ibiza, LA,Vancouver, Montreal,Barcelona etc,etc....

[Yvonne183]

I like Tasmania cause the devil lives there,,, is Tasmania part of Australia, if so then I vote Australia.

[smilingbutt]

I like Tasmania cause the devil lives there,,, is Tasmania part of Australia, if so then I vote Australia.

It's a nice place depending on where you go. Georgetown is like a slightly more modern deliverance, but most of Tasmania is beautiful and full of australians that hate australia - go figure.

[Yvonne183]

It's a nice place depending on where you go. Georgetown is like a slightly more modern deliverance, but most of Tasmania is beautiful and full of australians that hate australia - go figure.


The people in Tasmania sound similar to people from Idaho. I like places that are different from the usual tourist crap, maybe if I eat less Big Macs, I'll save some money for a trip there.

[smilingbutt]

The people in Tasmania sound similar to people from Idaho. I like places that are different from the usual tourist crap, maybe if I eat less Big Macs, I'll save some money for a trip there.

Never met anyone from Idaho, so I can't vouch for any similarity, but let's just say that Tasmania has a mixture of down home, good hearted people and other locals that will make you fuck your ugly cousins grandmother just to save yourself. It's also very green, slightly cold, there are places to see a wallaby in the local park and I'm pretty sure McDonalds has reached there.

[russtafa]

Well there's over half a million kiwis living in Oz - and they ain't coming back either so what does that tell you?
Well we have to help Australia because the Australians wont:dancing:

[smilingbutt]

Well we have to help Australia because the Australians wont:dancing:

I know the ockers have a reputation for laziness and kiwis in OZ have a reputation normally reserved for the kind of public disdain that mexicans in texas get, but it's all down to the fact that workers are much better off in australia. New Zealand is working to become New China and that's why so many kiwis are heading across the ditch. am i getting too serious here?

[Dino Velvet]

Is New Zealand infested with these creatures?

http://www.galdu.org/govat/smavva/aboriginals_copy2.jpg

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Is New Zealand infested with these creatures?

http://www.galdu.org/govat/smavva/aboriginals_copy2.jpg

They look like Aussies!!!

[robertlouis]

Never met anyone from Idaho, so I can't vouch for any similarity, but let's just say that Tasmania has a mixture of down home, good hearted people and other locals that will make you fuck your ugly cousins grandmother just to save yourself. It's also very green, slightly cold, there are places to see a wallaby in the local park and I'm pretty sure McDonalds has reached there.

Another excellent reason for visiting Tasmania.

Best beer in the entire Antipodes.

[robertlouis]

Is New Zealand infested with these creatures?

http://www.galdu.org/govat/smavva/aboriginals_copy2.jpg

The Spice Girls have really let themselves go.

[Dino Velvet]

They look like Aussies!!!

Do they have more abos than we do redskins? We fucked shit up good back then.

[smilingbutt]

Is New Zealand infested with these creatures?

http://www.galdu.org/govat/smavva/aboriginals_copy2.jpg

ok so the local trannys aren't anything to talk about, or even walk about (huh? Huh? get it...), but damn check out that scenery! That's a porno mecca waiting to be exploited.

[dreamon]

As long as I can get a nice cold VB I'd be happy either place

VB? Oh man- can't handle that stuff!

[alpha2117]

Miami,NYC, New Orleans, Lake Tahoe, Vegas,Reno,Tokyo,Paris,London,Amsterdam,Rio, Sao Paulo,Reykjavik,Beunos Aires, Ibiza, LA,Vancouver, Montreal,Barcelona etc,etc....

It's all a matter of opinion. All those cities have plusses but all have negatives as well. So does Sydney

Sydney - Great Beaches, Magnificent Harbour, Iconic Architecture, Gay & Lesbian Mardi Gras, lots of sport, good clubs, pub culture, good restraurants etc.

In terms of fun - which was what was listed it has the mix of night and day activities which is hard to match in many of the cities you listed. Something like Sao Paulo is great at night but in the day is a huge sprawl of tall buildings. I wouldn't say Sydney is the funnest but it probably has the most varied and balanced fun options.

[alpha2117]

Is New Zealand infested with these creatures?

http://www.galdu.org/govat/smavva/aboriginals_copy2.jpg

That is one of the most disgustingly racist posts I've ever seen. You sir are a bit of a dumb cunt for posting that comment. They are human beings and even poor human beings in a small desert community deserve to be treated with some respect. If you said the same thing about african americans in here you would be crucified and justifiably so.

[russtafa]

New Zealand does not have droughts or extreme heat like Australia.All the beaches are within walking distance and some of the best ski fields in the world.The food in New Zealand is better with more taste

[SkankyTrannyAnna]

We all know the New Zealand is Australia's mini me.

It's like Germany and Austria, Spain and Portugal, USA and Canada. Mini me countries are so cute.

New Zealand wins tho, cos they have Hobbits.

[robertlouis]

We all know the New Zealand is Australia's mini me.

It's like Germany and Austria, Spain and Portugal, USA and Canada. Mini me countries are so cute.

New Zealand wins tho, cos they have Hobbits.

Ah, so Yorkshire is Lancashire's mini-me.

Sorry Anna, couldn't resist. :)

[kieron]

i sort of agree with Anna but I think Australia is Americas 'Mini Me', their politicians have their heads shoved so far up americas arse they can't see where they're heading...disaster for all

New Zealand is sort of like Switzerland; independent, does things first, discovers things first, builds the quickest things first - worlds fastest indian motorcycle by Bert Munro, NZ said Fuck off to America regards Nuclear Power,

look up
YouTube - ‪Steinlager Pure - David & Goliath‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6gb8qA-Q2w)

you can hear David Lange (the PM in the 1980s) telling an american journalist he can smell the uranium on his breath...makes me laugh and cry when i watch the ad

another steinlager pure advert,

sums up new zealand pretty well, if only the politicians only walked the talk...

YouTube - ‪Steinlager "Pure Vision"‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfi_DCEkwgQ&NR=1)

[Quiet Reflections]

It's all a matter of opinion. All those cities have plusses but all have negatives as well. So does Sydney

Sydney - Great Beaches, Magnificent Harbour, Iconic Architecture, Gay & Lesbian Mardi Gras, lots of sport, good clubs, pub culture, good restraurants etc.

In terms of fun - which was what was listed it has the mix of night and day activities which is hard to match in many of the cities you listed. Something like Sao Paulo is great at night but in the day is a huge sprawl of tall buildings. I wouldn't say Sydney is the funnest but it probably has the most varied and balanced fun options.
Your kidding right? nothing to do during the day in Sao Paulo? no beaches ,bars,sports, restaurants? No Pride parade? I guess Carnival just doesn't count either.

[mellownella]

This is just full of racial shit....get a fucking life, and get out of the dark ages!

[NRT]

That is one of the most disgustingly racist posts I've ever seen. You sir are a bit of a dumb cunt for posting that comment. They are human beings and even poor human beings in a small desert community deserve to be treated with some respect. If you said the same thing about african americans in here you would be crucified and justifiably so.
Is Australia still infected with people who believe its ok to shoot fellow human beings for sport? and to take children away from their families to be brought up by civilised white families or in children homes, with the aim of ensuring the indigenous people and culture would die out? That was similar to what hitler and the nazis did, who the Australians fought against and they were doing similar back home?

[dreamon]

That is one of the most disgustingly racist posts I've ever seen. You sir are a bit of a dumb cunt for posting that comment. They are human beings and even poor human beings in a small desert community deserve to be treated with some respect. If you said the same thing about african americans in here you would be crucified and justifiably so.

well, although it is unfortunate, racism is very alive and well in Australia. It is a far more racist country than America. Until only about 30-40 years ago, there was still active genocide against Aboriginal peoples.

That said, and not to be racist, Aboriginals haven't done a lot to help themselves with rampant drug problems and child molestation in their community. Of course, the horrors put upon them by white Australians hasn't helped this.

[Dino Velvet]

That is one of the most disgustingly racist posts I've ever seen.

You're welcome.:cheers:

[russtafa]

Aboriginals get free university education,the pick of government jobs,three payments on a new car and it's theirs,cheap loans on housing,wow i wish someone was so racist to me

[dreamon]

Aboriginals get free university education,the pick of government jobs,three payments on a new car and it's theirs,cheap loans on housing,wow i wish someone was so racist to me

I've never heard about any of those things before..

[Jericho]

Aboriginals get free university education,the pick of government jobs,three payments on a new car and it's theirs,cheap loans on housing,wow i wish someone was so racist to me

What can you say?
Before the white man told them they needed all that, they were happy with a piece of string, a boomerang, and wichiti grub! :shrug

[robertlouis]

Aboriginals get free university education,the pick of government jobs,three payments on a new car and it's theirs,cheap loans on housing,wow i wish someone was so racist to me


I've never heard about any of those things before..


Wow, I didn't realise you could get the Daily Mail down there......

[theone1982]

I always thought of New Zealand being the little buddy Gilligan to Australia's the Skipper.:) I kid, I kid! I kid 'cause I love!:)

[russtafa]

that's Aussie, buddy a socialist paradise where junkies get injecting rooms,criminals get public housing.Aboriginals are only put in jail in extreme cases

[alpha2117]

well, although it is unfortunate, racism is very alive and well in Australia. It is a far more racist country than America. Until only about 30-40 years ago, there was still active genocide against Aboriginal peoples.

That said, and not to be racist, Aboriginals haven't done a lot to help themselves with rampant drug problems and child molestation in their community. Of course, the horrors put upon them by white Australians hasn't helped this.

Calling Bullshit on this. Up until 40 years ago plenty of black men in the south of the US were killed by white racists too. The world of European Expansion is full of atrocities. Sadly human nature seems to be to commit atrocities (see Africa and parts of Asia and the middle east today.

Australia is much more acccepting of racial diversity than most countries. There is plenty of passive racism but a lot less active racism (violence) based on race.

The treatment of aboriginals was unacceptable by todays standards but so was the case with native peoples the world over.

[robertlouis]

What can you say?
Before the white man told them they needed all that, they were happy with a piece of string, a boomerang, and wichiti grub! :shrug

Bit like the Welsh, then? :whistle: :dancing:

[Mister1963]

I'm American so it's pretty much the same deal. I'll let you guys fight over it.





We have the same problem down here. We can't tell the difference between Canadians and Americans

[SkankyTrannyAnna]

Ah, so Yorkshire is Lancashire's mini-me.

Sorry Anna, couldn't resist. :)

I think you will find that A) Yorkshire is bigger, and B) for one thing to be a mini me they have to be pretty much the same, so as Lancashire is full of apelike mancs, it is most similar to Cheshire with it's monkey-walking inhabitants in Runcorn and Macclesfield.

So in face Cheshire is Lancashire's mini me, and Lincolnshire is Yorkshire's mini me.

[Jericho]

Bit like the Welsh, then? :whistle: :dancing:

Well, apart from the witchiti grub...And the being happy! :hide-1:

[robertlouis]

I think you will find that A) Yorkshire is bigger, and B) for one thing to be a mini me they have to be pretty much the same, so as Lancashire is full of apelike mancs, it is most similar to Cheshire with it's monkey-walking inhabitants in Runcorn and Macclesfield.

So in face Cheshire is Lancashire's mini me, and Lincolnshire is Yorkshire's mini me.

The wind-up worked, then. :dancing:

You do know that Lincolnshire is just short of Norfolk in the UK's inbreeding chart, I take it?

[SkankyTrannyAnna]

The wind-up worked, then. :dancing:

You do know that Lincolnshire is just short of Norfolk in the UK's inbreeding chart, I take it?

I think you will find it's london that is top of the chart dues to all the muslims.

[loadsofit]

I call double bullshit on this!Being Aussie first of all. There has NEVER been an active genocide attempt in Australia...EVER! There were attempts to remove the aboriginal children from their often abusive families and bringing them up as white australians would.
This being the saga of the "Stolen Generation" dating back to circa 1910 (Which is ALOT closer to 100 years ago and not 30-40 years!...lets keep in mind, white australia has only been here a tad over 200 years!)
Its easy for do-gooders to report to the US saying that White australia are racists and the aboriginals are hard done by in there own country and it is ABSOLUTLY absurd to make comparrisons to other cultures and THEIR blatent slaughter of their countries inhabitants....but untill you come to MY neck of the woods and spend some time with the overwhelming counter racism and violence that occurs on a daily basis by the aboriginal people, i would recommend keeping your second hand opinions to yourself.

Everything was on par untill that moron Kevin Rudd came out and said "Sorry" to the aboriginal people in regards to the stolen generation. After that, there have been handouts by the government to a self expecting aboriginal culture in the form of high end market cars, billion dollar property and business. (Not that you will ever see one doing a single days work!) costs to the australian budget reach into the hundreds of billions in just pointless little presents for a suposed "stolen generation!" that dosnt even exist any more!! IT WAS 100 YEARS AGO!! Stop sniffing petrol...get a job...wipe your nose...and stop raping your children! Problem solved!

This whole thread shows nothing but ignorance by americans and the english as a whole... I bet nothing less that a pack of 20 of the bastards kicking your skull in to steal your shoes would change your mind either!!!

[russtafa]

I call double bullshit on this!Being Aussie first of all. There has NEVER been an active genocide attempt in Australia...EVER! There were attempts to remove the aboriginal children from their often abusive families and bringing them up as white australians would.
This being the saga of the "Stolen Generation" dating back to circa 1910 (Which is ALOT closer to 100 years ago and not 30-40 years!...lets keep in mind, white australia has only been here a tad over 200 years!)
Its easy for do-gooders to report to the US saying that White australia are racists and the aboriginals are hard done by in there own country and it is ABSOLUTLY absurd to make comparrisons to other cultures and THEIR blatent slaughter of their countries inhabitants....but untill you come to MY neck of the woods and spend some time with the overwhelming counter racism and violence that occurs on a daily basis by the aboriginal people, i would recommend keeping your second hand opinions to yourself.

Everything was on par untill that moron Kevin Rudd came out and said "Sorry" to the aboriginal people in regards to the stolen generation. After that, there have been handouts by the government to a self expecting aboriginal culture in the form of high end market cars, billion dollar property and business. (Not that you will ever see one doing a single days work!) costs to the australian budget reach into the hundreds of billions in just pointless little presents for a suposed "stolen generation!" that dosnt even exist any more!! IT WAS 100 YEARS AGO!! Stop sniffing petrol...get a job...wipe your nose...and stop raping your children! Problem solved!

This whole thread shows nothing but ignorance by americans and the english as a whole... I bet nothing less that a pack of 20 of the bastards kicking your skull in to steal your would change your mind either!!!
i agree with that mate but these people think we live like something out of a mad max film.Do Americans have lots of car chases and gunfights like in the movies ,i don't think so

[cycleman]

Is New Zealand infested with these creatures?

http://www.galdu.org/govat/smavva/aboriginals_copy2.jpg

No, we have these, wanna swap?

http://img.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0908/70c09aa2a61cc757f282.jpeg

[cycleman]

YouTube - ‪"Come To Australia" by Scared Weird Little Guys‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEeq5qGh8I)

[russtafa]

I GREW UP WITH THOSE KIND OF GUYS .M.M.M ,HEADS,BLACK POWER, K.C,HIGHWAY,BOOT BOYS,STORM TROOPERS =PRIDE OF NZ.I jumped out quick before i got into the prison system

[loadsofit]

No, we have these, wanna swap?

Jesus....I can smell em just by looking at the pics!!!



http://www.viceland.com/blogs/en/files/2009/11/5b.jpg

We have our fair share of wanna-be thug fuckwitts too!!
....Least yours look like they showered within the last 12 months!!
Im pretty sure Tasmania is a useless piece of land...Lets send them both there!

[Prospero]

If there's a more fun city in the world than Sydney, name it.


New York, Paris, London, Rome, Buenos Aires, Rio, Scunthorpe, Liverpool, Grimethorpe, Bournmouth, Tehran, Tripoli, Baghdad, Damascus......

[Prospero]

Australia - crocodiles, funnel spiders, stone fish, box jelly fish, loads of poisonous snakes, sharks......

[robertlouis]

New York, Paris, London, Rome, Buenos Aires, Rio, Scunthorpe, Liverpool, Grimethorpe, Bournmouth, Tehran, Tripoli, Baghdad, Damascus......

Methinks that once thou art east of Rio, thou art well and truly taking the piss..

I haven't been to Rio, but I've had more fun in Sydney than any of the other serious contenders. Berlin comes closest.

[Jericho]

Berlin's OK, but I lost two teeth in Hamburg! :party:

[russtafa]

wow Hamburg sound's bad

[robertlouis]

wow Hamburg sound's bad

No, Hamburg's magic. Mix of Liverpool and Glasgow with better beer and the Reeperbahn.

Frankfurt's the dullest place in Germany. You couldn't get your teeth knocked out there, no matter how long you tried.

[Jericho]

wow Hamburg sound's bad

Hamburg is one of the best cities in Europe/The world.
If you can't find it there, you probably don't want it! :Bowdown:
(And if you go looking for trouble, you'll find it in spades...Some fukkin nails lads there!)

[NRT]

this thread really did bring the bigots out. two cheeks of the same backside. The views expressed above are similar to nazi sympathisers/holocaust deniers and defenders of Apartheid, or KKK. Shame that an interested thread was spoiled by someone putting up a picture with stereotyped aborigines who were described as creatures, which sparked off the negative comments. There are many aborigines who have been a credit to their nation doing positive things, why couldnt he find any? many also served in the armed forces with distinction despite only untill relatively recently being recognised as citizens in their own country. So i blame the person for putting that picture up with teh said negative comments, which perhaps said more about them as a person

http://www.awm.gov.au/blog/2009/02/13/reginald-saunders/

http://www.aboriginaleducation.sa.edu.au/files/links/Aboriginal_people_and_arme.pdf

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/black-lawyers-can-raise-the-bar/story-e6frg986-1111115904986

[russtafa]

what racism when an aboriginal gets every thing they could ask for

[robertlouis]

what racism when an aboriginal gets every thing they could ask for

That could be true, russtafa - after all, you're the guy living in Australia and presumably have first-hand knowledge. But can you provide proof of the legislation which gives them these things?

The reason why I ask is that I hear and read the same kind of things all the time in the right wing press over here in the UK, and they are consistently proved to be urban rumours founded in hate and fear.

So please, give us examples.

[dderek123]

Well in my experience. I enjoy hanging out with the Kiwis more. They are usually pleasant, polite and can drink you under the table.

Aussies are like the Kiwis but a lot more cocky.

Then there is South Africans. They are all cunts.

[robertlouis]

Well in my experience. I enjoy hanging out with the Kiwis more. They are usually pleasant, polite and can drink you under the table.

Aussies are like the Kiwis but a lot more cocky.

Then there is South Africans. They are all cunts.

The white ones are, especially the Afrikaaners. They're not just cunts - they are monumentally stupid ones as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL-t_eTl0Ls

[Prospero]

And then there are those fucking Brits... what a bunch they are!

[robertlouis]

And then there are those fucking Brits... what a bunch they are!

Couldn't agree more. English bastards. :whistle:

[russtafa]

That could be true, russtafa - after all, you're the guy living in Australia and presumably have first-hand knowledge. But can you provide proof of the legislation which gives them these things?

The reason why I ask is that I hear and read the same kind of things all the time in the right wing press over here in the UK, and they are consistently proved to be urban rumours founded in hate and fear.

So please, give us examples.gee how do i find examples i'm not Trish

[russtafa]

fair dinkum Aussie laws are minefield of state and federal laws

[CORVETTEDUDE]

I think it's human beings that are totally fucked....Arguably the most cruel animal on this or any other planet!!!:shrug:whistle::hide-1:

[loadsofit]

this thread really did bring the bigots out. two cheeks of the same backside. The views expressed above are similar to nazi sympathisers/holocaust deniers and defenders of Apartheid, or KKK. Shame that an interested thread was spoiled by someone putting up a picture with stereotyped aborigines who were described as creatures, which sparked off the negative comments. There are many aborigines who have been a credit to their nation doing positive things, why couldnt he find any? many also served in the armed forces with distinction despite only untill relatively recently being recognised as citizens in their own country. So i blame the person for putting that picture up with teh said negative comments, which perhaps said more about them as a person

http://www.awm.gov.au/blog/2009/02/13/reginald-saunders/

http://www.aboriginaleducation.sa.edu.au/files/links/Aboriginal_people_and_arme.pdf

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/black-lawyers-can-raise-the-bar/story-e6frg986-1111115904986

YOU are the kind of moron im talking about...I bet you have NEVER in your life met one of these aboriginals that are so remarkable that you talk of...I know ive lived in Australia my ENTIRE life and never met one. For an example...i live in a town where the aboriginal population is approx 9000...Of those 9000.....TWO of them have jobs!!! TWO!!!
May i also bring to your attention....these two are from aboriginal/white australian families! Seems we can thank the stolen generation movement for at least two good reasons!!
So you can get on your fucking high horse as much as you like from a country SO far detached from reality, but unless you have seen it for yourself, its prob best to just not comment. Oh and by the way, Aust is still by far better than NZ lol

[loadsofit]

may i also add, for the second disscussion here, that the aboriginals make two car payments and their car is theirs, the government takes over the rest of the payments.. I have proof in seeing them driving everything from brand new Clubsport Commodores to Hummers everyday of the week....and not ONE of them ever has or ever will have a job!!
Would you get a fucking job if YOUR government gave you a brand new house, a brand new car and a weekly handout of $1000 (minimum) a week!! while the rest of WHITE australia goes out and busts his arse 70hrs a week to rent a shitty 2 bedroom rundown house and drives a shitbox car and scratches to find money for food everyweek!!
So go ahead call us racists!! but all this shit that goes on in aust is obviously never published to the rest of the world...just the propaganda you wanna hear, and then you have the nerve to spew it back on a forum to an aussie?!? that only shows what kind of a person YOU are!!

[russtafa]

i worked in abo pubs in West Australia for 2 years so it opened my eyes

[russtafa]

may i also add, for the second disscussion here, that the aboriginals make two car payments and their car is theirs, the government takes over the rest of the payments.. I have proof in seeing them driving everything from brand new Clubsport Commodores to Hummers everyday of the week....and not ONE of them ever has or ever will have a job!!
Would you get a fucking job if YOUR government gave you a brand new house, a brand new car and a weekly handout of $1000 (minimum) a week!! while the rest of WHITE australia goes out and busts his arse 70hrs a week to rent a shitty 2 bedroom rundown house and drives a shitbox car and scratches to find money for food everyweek!!
So go ahead call us racists!! but all this shit that goes on in aust is obviously never published to the rest of the world...just the propaganda you wanna hear, and then you have the nerve to spew it back on a forum to an aussie?!? that only shows what kind of a person YOU are!!yeah bro you know what it's like not like these foreigners.How about that the government also pays abo families to send their kids to school or very very cheap housing loans or that they go to university for free

[CORVETTEDUDE]

What the fuck happened to this thread????????????

[Jericho]

What the fuck happened to this thread????????????


Same old, it got HungAngeled!:shrug

[theone1982]

Hey, what the hell about Tasmania?!:)
YouTube - ‪taz-mania intro‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYiHP5_bgrI)

[russtafa]

N.Z the shaky islands

[leesbelair]

Australia

[Miss Aeryn]

Same old, it got HungAngeled!:shrug

So it would seem, sigh.

[NRT]

YOU are the kind of moron im talking about...I bet you have NEVER in your life met one of these aboriginals that are so remarkable that you talk of...I know ive lived in Australia my ENTIRE life and never met one. For an example...i live in a town where the aboriginal population is approx 9000...Of those 9000.....TWO of them have jobs!!! TWO!!!
May i also bring to your attention....these two are from aboriginal/white australian families! Seems we can thank the stolen generation movement for at least two good reasons!!
So you can get on your fucking high horse as much as you like from a country SO far detached from reality, but unless you have seen it for yourself, its prob best to just not comment. Oh and by the way, Aust is still by far better than NZ lol

Well your outburst says more about your ill judged and prejudiced views than anything else. Well if you knew your own history you could find the positive aboriginal stories. Perhaps you are not interested and clouded by prejudice. Then again most are in australia when it comes to aborigines. They were not regarded as human beings, yes human beings till the 1920s. Up untill then they could be shot for sport in certain parts. As for all the hand outs they are supposedly living off and them all being workshy and drunks. Remember 'white' australia began as a prison colony for the 'criminal classes' in England. Maybe they learned of the supposedly superior invaders. Another thing up untill after WW2, Australia had a whites only immigration policy, to keep the population 'traditional'. So maybe they had a guilt trip about stealing the country off the original inhabitants and denying them rights, or hoping they would all die out, like their tasmanian counterparts. The stolen generation was a plan designed to do just that the the nazis would be proud of. I heard it defended because aborigines were sub human savages, cannibals, child abusers/paedophiles and they were 'civilising' them. It was apparently based on prejudice, hatred, ignorance and no sane country would do such a thing today. Furthermore the same problems they were supposedly saving the aboriginal children from could also be found in the white community. But the government did not put any blanket legislation against them like they did with the aboriginals. Maybe another reason so few work, is because bigots like you who wont give them jobs or even see them as equals

So the white immigrants up to then were given privaleges and affirmative actions based on the colour of their skin. So could the government be righting a wrong or restoring a balance lol!

[russtafa]

no the our Government is stupid i worked in West Australia and saw the government waste and saw abos in bars where i worked they cant be assimilated or not for a long ,long time

[runningdownthatdream]

What can you say?
Before the white man told them they needed all that, they were happy with a piece of string, a boomerang, and wichiti grub! :shrug

Exactly - so for fucking up their happiness it's the least the criminal spawn of Australia could do for the declining aboriginal population.

[runningdownthatdream]

what racism when an aboriginal gets every thing they could ask for

Except for the english to get back on the boats and head back from whence they came........

[russtafa]

No its australia for australians and we say what go's not people that do not live here

[runningdownthatdream]

No its australia for australians and we say what go's not people that do not live here

Hopefully the irony of your remark doesn't escape you.......

[russtafa]

yeah some bleeding heart crying as they always do

[runningdownthatdream]

yeah some bleeding heart crying as they always do

No brother, my heart isn't bleeding nor am I crying. Rather you and your compatriots are the ones whining about what the aboriginals get that you don't get. Just man the fuck up and get on with your life - make yourself successful without paying attention to what you perceive to be a free ride for others.

Clearly irony does indeed escape you - maybe too many shots to the head during the bouncing days?

[russtafa]

We can always make our home land better and that's not having the government throwing away our hard earned taxes .I would rather see our government send our money on hospitals,schools,old age pensioners ,the handicapped ,better roads and rail

[russtafa]

why do the left wing liberals/commies have to always ad insults its like monkeys throwing shit and it degrades the thrower

[runningdownthatdream]

We can always make our home land better and that's not having the government throwing away our hard earned taxes .I would rather see our government send our money on hospitals,schools,old age pensioners ,the handicapped ,better roads and rail

All worthwhile causes no doubt about it. But at the same time look at the catastrophic consequences of European (or let's just say outsiders) incursion into a land and culture that had remained essentially unchanged for about 10,000 years. Think about it: 10,000 years of stability disrupted within little more than 2 centuries. It is impossible for their culture to adapt to the radical changes brought in from the outside. By your government paving the way, so to speak, for them it may help them within the next 50-100 years to adapt and conform to the new majority. By doing nothing, you stand by and watch an entire culture and the human beings that are part of that culture just disappear. In the same way we now know better than to kill off species of plants and animals and seek to protect them by creating environments within which they can continue to exist, we should extend the same to members of our own species. I realize it is difficult to watch others that we consider undeserving to be given a 'free ride' but they lost far more than what they are getting today.

[russtafa]

yes you are right but it looks like the way things are changing so fast there might not be time .the tighter the money the less to spend

[zocco]

it is so hard for me to believe all the crap being said here
i have worked and played sport with many Aboriginal people
yes there are some problems
but these can only be fixed by respecting these people
i have been to settlements for celebrations and traditional ceremony's
as for the handouts i would like anyone who is saying this rubbish to produce one person who is getting a $1,000 handout
as for the stolen generation that was still going on in the early 1970's

as for anyone from England just have a think about the so called "orphans" who were bassically kidnapped and sent to Australia after WW2

[robertlouis]

why do the left wing liberals/commies have to always ad insults its like monkeys throwing shit and it degrades the thrower

In an odd way it's quite reassuring to find a real unreconstructed Ocker.

Thought your type had died out mate.

[loadsofit]

Well your outburst says more about your ill judged and prejudiced views than anything else. Well if you knew your own history you could find the positive aboriginal stories. Perhaps you are not interested and clouded by prejudice. Then again most are in australia when it comes to aborigines. They were not regarded as human beings, yes human beings till the 1920s. Up untill then they could be shot for sport in certain parts. As for all the hand outs they are supposedly living off and them all being workshy and drunks. Remember 'white' australia began as a prison colony for the 'criminal classes' in England. Maybe they learned of the supposedly superior invaders. Another thing up untill after WW2, Australia had a whites only immigration policy, to keep the population 'traditional'. So maybe they had a guilt trip about stealing the country off the original inhabitants and denying them rights, or hoping they would all die out, like their tasmanian counterparts. The stolen generation was a plan designed to do just that the the nazis would be proud of. I heard it defended because aborigines were sub human savages, cannibals, child abusers/paedophiles and they were 'civilising' them. It was apparently based on prejudice, hatred, ignorance and no sane country would do such a thing today. Furthermore the same problems they were supposedly saving the aboriginal children from could also be found in the white community. But the government did not put any blanket legislation against them like they did with the aboriginals. Maybe another reason so few work, is because bigots like you who wont give them jobs or even see them as equals

So the white immigrants up to then were given privaleges and affirmative actions based on the colour of their skin. So could the government be righting a wrong or restoring a balance lol!

AGAIN ANOTHER brit that has NO idea what hes talking about!
You walk into ANY unemployement service in Aust and take a look at how many jobs are exclusivly offered to abos! that is, White Australia are NOT allowed to apply....your looking at a good 90% of jobs bud!
My opinions stem from REAL Life expreriences...yours you regurgitate from the BBC!
Id love for you to spend ONE week in my town....You wouldnt last a week!! cuz you wouldnt be able to get a job, you wouldnt have a 80 thousand dollar car to drive, you would go to the back of the list (behind EVERY aboriginal) for government funded housing commission....on top of all that, youd get your ass beaten if you walk down the street "while being called a "White
C&%$!"
So fuck off with all your anti bigatory remarks and your anti racist attitude! If you have no experience....why have you even got an opinion?

Tool!

[robertlouis]

AGAIN ANOTHER brit that has NO idea what hes talking about!
You walk into ANY unemployement service in Aust and take a look at how many jobs are exclusivly offered to abos! that is, White Australia are NOT allowed to apply....your looking at a good 90% of jobs bud!
My opinions stem from REAL Life expreriences...yours you regurgitate from the BBC!
Id love for you to spend ONE week in my town....You wouldnt last a week!! cuz you wouldnt be able to get a job, you wouldnt have a 80 thousand dollar car to drive, you would go to the back of the list (behind EVERY aboriginal) for government funded housing commission....on top of all that, youd get your ass beaten if you walk down the street "while being called a "White
C&%$!"
So fuck off with all your anti bigatory remarks and your anti racist attitude! If you have no experience....why have you even got an opinion?

Tool!

OK, so let's agree that people with no street experience of Australia aren't qualified to express an opinion on the current situation.

One thing that none of the Australia-based contributors have done so far is to acknowledge, recognise, or refute what's been said about the historic attitude to the aboriginals and the actions which the whites took from the early days of the colony onwards. The historical record would appear to be both eloquent and established as far as the facts are concerned.

I for one would be prepared to listen more if you would at the very least offer a comment on the weight of evidence about mistreatment and worse of the original native population of your country.

[Jericho]

I'm thinking this thread would have been better sub-titled, "Who's Bitter"? :hide-1:

[loadsofit]

And while we are talking about racial displacement, I want a fucking new house and a new commodore from the british monarchy for sending my ancestors to Australia and taking me away from my homeland!! (Not that i would say that an Aussie represents the rediculous views of a Brit!)
My great great great great grandad stole a loaf of bread and i end up here working my ass off to pay taxes for useless stinking abos to sniff petrol and rape their kids....

Bet everyone of you useless brits that are up on your pedestal screaming aboriginal rights would love to see Aussies getting your hard earned because of something equally as rediculous as the scam going on here!!

You dont get it, Saying Sorry for the stolen generation had nothing to do with uniting black and white australia, it was a ploy to gain financial wealth and land rights. Mabo set the precedent, and the "Sorry" speech from K Rudd just set it in stone.
I want it noted that K. Rudd said "Sorry" I did not, and never will!

Fuck, ever wonder why when the Sydney 2000 Olympics were held, why the government relocated over 400 000 of the bastards out of the greater sydney area to small rural communities??? Maybe so they could get back in touch with the dreamtime??
NO!!....So people like you dont encounter them and actually WANT to come back to australia!
Wake up to yourself and stop being mindless media whores...Book yourself a holiday on "The Block" in Redfern or out at Moree...then comeback and we'll talk it over...till then, STFU!

[robertlouis]

I want a fucking new house and a new commodore from the british monarchy for sending my ancestors to Australia and taking me away from my homeland!!

My great great great great grandad stole a loaf of bread and i end up here working my ass off to pay taxes for useless stinking abos to sniff petrol and rape their kids....



Well, it took over 100 posts, but finally we've got the ball and chain card.

Oh, and still no hint of recognition of what happened to native Australians at the hand of the whites in the last 200 years.

And "useless stinking abos"?. You're a bigoted cretin.

[robertlouis]

I'm thinking this thread would have been better sub-titled, "Who's Bitter"? :hide-1:

Thanks Jericho. I'll have one if you're buying.

[russtafa]

Ok well aboriginals were attracted to towns and city's and were treated badly but this is now and things have changed radically. Now days the abo's cant get[protected species] arrested so please don't ever get into a fight with them or you could be in a serious way and no charges to your assailants .The government is so unwilling to take their children off them if their children have been abused or the parents are on heroin or ice because of past mistakes made

[loadsofit]

This was 200 YEARS AGO! You want ME to say "Sorry?"
There is no refuting that we dont like them...We NEVER will! Neither will anyone....THEY DONT EVEN LIKE THEMSELVES!!! As far as what has happened in the past, AGAIN, i refer to propaganda and exaggerations....the fuckers arnt hard done by...
if YOU had an ancestor or two that went through travesty, im sure YOUD appreciate the billions of dollar budget handouts for having nothing to do with it!!
Next we are gunna hear that we treat the poor kangaroos badly again!!
Australia as a whole have had enough, its only a matter of time untill they stand up and fight back again!

Ask a Haloucaust surviver how much he/she gets a week from the German Government!
These things happened, there is no denying (most) of it.
But i love it how money makes it better!!

[loadsofit]

Well, it took over 100 posts, but finally we've got the ball and chain card.

Oh, and still no hint of recognition of what happened to native Australians at the hand of the whites in the last 200 years.

And "useless stinking abos"?. You're a bigoted cretin.

...and YOU sir, are an ignorant moron!

[russtafa]

England owes the world so much and the world should take them to the cleaners they have robbed ,stole from the rest of the world and then waves it's finger at it's former colonies.wow what cheek

[loadsofit]

I think we all need to keep in mind....This didnt happen to their uncle Dave...

It was 200 years ago!!
i cant believe we are being sued for bullshit that happened 200 years ago....the rest of White Australia has a 7 year time limit on what they can sue for!!

More personally, i cant believe IM being blamed for something that happened 200 years ago!!!

I havnt killed an aboriginal in my lifetime.....And im sure as fuck not gunna try and breed one out!!! lmao!

[loadsofit]

England owes the world so much and the world should take them to the cleaners they have robbed ,stole from the rest of the world and then waves it's finger at it's former colonies.wow what cheek

Really hard to think of a civilization with more blood on its hands really.

and im not just talking about a singular soccer match LMAO!!

[robertlouis]

I think we all need to keep in mind....This didnt happen to their uncle Dave...

It was 200 years ago!!
i cant believe we are being sued for bullshit that happened 200 years ago....the rest of White Australia has a 7 year time limit on what they can sue for!!

More personally, i cant believe IM being blamed for something that happened 200 years ago!!!

I havnt killed an aboriginal in my lifetime.....And im sure as fuck not gunna try and breed one out!!! lmao!

You're either being selective or wilfully stupid. The whites were still perpetrating what can best be described as race crimes against the Aboriginals in the 1960s and 1970s.

And I'm glad that you can dismiss wholesale extermination as "bullshit". Not sure what moral equivalency means in your universe, but I wouldn't give much for it.

[robertlouis]

Really hard to think of a civilization with more blood on its hands really.

and im not just talking about a singular soccer match LMAO!!

I've referred at various times in this thread to the direct responsibility of the British government and their colonial authorities for what was done to the aboriginal peoples during colonial times, and yes, it's tough that you're picking up the tab, but does that somehow absolve you from collective responsibility as a society for things which were still happening in your lifetime?

I think I know what your reply will be, but what the hell.

Oh, and for the record, I might be the only UK-based poster who's actually been to Redfern and other similar places in and around Sydney. They're grim, yes, but I could take you to a dozen similar places in London. What would that prove exactly?

[russtafa]

no, England should pay reparations to the abo's and keep paying it if their hearts are bleeding so much

[russtafa]

i think every pome should sell up their houses and give it to the abo's,any chance of that?

[loadsofit]

no, England should pay reparations to the abo's and keep paying it if their hearts are bleeding so much

EXACTLY!! Im not english...NEVER have been, why should I pay? Your closer to a convict than me mate!

In fact, RobertLouis, I believe YOU can make a donation straight to ATSIIC...No no, wait, they went bust for fraud by giving out hundreds of millions of taxpayers coin...No one was tried.

the rest of Australia make their donations by....i dunno....doing the shopping, taking the missus out to dinner....hanging out the washing and having 15 of the bastards jump on you head untill you drop your wallet!!! oh! and plus tax!

[Jericho]

Really hard to think of a civilization with more blood on its hands really.

and im not just talking about a singular soccer match LMAO!!

That reminds me.
Know why the sun never set on the British Empire?
God wouldn't trust an Englishman in the dark! Boom Boom!


Anyway, you got yer own back with Cell Block H, so stop whinging! :hide-1:

[robertlouis]

EXACTLY!! Im not english...NEVER have been, why should I pay? Your closer to a convict than me mate!

In fact, RobertLouis, I believe YOU can make a donation straight to ATSIIC...No no, wait, they went bust for fraud by giving out hundreds of millions of taxpayers coin...No one was tried.

the rest of Australia make their donations by....i dunno....doing the shopping, taking the missus out to dinner....hanging out the washing and having 15 of the bastards jump on you head untill you drop your wallet!!! oh! and plus tax!

I'm not English either, as it happens. I suppose in your terms I'm an economic refugee too, forced to leave my homeland because of the Tories' industrial policies in the 1980s and a solid taxpayer in the south ever since, working most a the time in senior positions in the high-tech sector and I like to think making a reasonable contribution to the economy. Maybe I should just have stayed in that tent north of Hadrian's Wall.

You're a gobshite, and a nasty one at that.

[loadsofit]

I'm not English either, as it happens. I suppose in your terms I'm an economic refugee too, forced to leave my homeland because of the Tories' industrial policies in the 1980s and a solid taxpayer in the south ever since, working most a the time in senior positions in the high-tech sector and I like to think making a reasonable contribution to the economy. Maybe I should just have stayed in that tent north of Hadrian's Wall.

You're a gobshite, and a nasty one at that.

What? talking bout yourself again?!
I put it to you....that you sucked off a 'orse!



Well there you go, start whinging, get all the other poor pathetic fuckheads in your situation and hit your national government for hundreds of billions of dollars...you can be living the abo dream in no time!!!

[loadsofit]

LMAO! Economic refugee....I like that.

We use to call them Gypsies back in the day!
or homeless!

Lmao!

Cmon mate, you can do better than that!

[russtafa]

well if you people want meddle in Australian affairs you should live in aboriginal areas and then tell us how it is ,because if you tell whites in W.A or N.T they will laugh at you jump all over you

[robertlouis]

Look Russ, you and loadsofshit should just have a dialogue if it's going to go round in interminable circles. There's as much chance of common ground here as there is of Australia regaining the Ashes...... :dancing:

Goodnight and have a few tinnies on me. Although I'd always go for Boag's myself. Should be down in Oz next year playing a few gigs.

[russtafa]

Ok but please do some research because abos have not got a good reputation .boags is my favorite

[robertlouis]

Ok but please do some research because abos have not got a good reputation .boags is my favorite

I know about their reputation, to the extent that I can understand some of your resentment, but I am taken aback by the vehemence of your views and the outright racism of your vocabulary, OK?

And for what it's worth, I have a handful of songs I've written about previous visits down under. If I get there, come along.

[hippifried]

I think they've all been upside down too long.

[russtafa]

Very clever hippie lol

[loadsofit]

lol @ Hippi.

We gave you the ashes for once so that you would come back again. Consider it good will. lol

No aboriginals on the Cricket team either. lol well, Dizzy Gillespie...The whitest black cricketer in the world!

[russtafa]

hippie is even disliked in his own country

[runningdownthatdream]

What? talking bout yourself again?!
I put it to you....that you sucked off a 'orse!



Well there you go, start whinging, get all the other poor pathetic fuckheads in your situation and hit your national government for hundreds of billions of dollars...you can be living the abo dream in no time!!!

Clearly you took a good look in the mirror and had a moment of inner reflection before choosing your user name as it fits you quite well.

I'm also wondering whether you are a raging lunatic in real life as you appear to be here (in a mostly anonymous forum). You do realize that living on the lunatic fringe is exactly that and nothing more: living on the lunatic fringe! You're irrelevant and clearly the majority of Australians feel that way too since the 'billions' of dollars in perks being handed out to 'Abos' can't happen without approval by the majority. Or are you living in an autocracy?

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Wearin' it out!!!:whistle:

[runningdownthatdream]

Wearin' it out!!!:whistle:

Yes but entertaining....................

[loadsofit]

Clearly you took a good look in the mirror and had a moment of inner reflection before choosing your user name as it fits you quite well.

I'm also wondering whether you are a raging lunatic in real life as you appear to be here (in a mostly anonymous forum). You do realize that living on the lunatic fringe is exactly that and nothing more: living on the lunatic fringe! You're irrelevant and clearly the majority of Australians feel that way too since the 'billions' of dollars in perks being handed out to 'Abos' can't happen without approval by the majority. Or are you living in an autocracy?

UNFORTUNATELY my little dilusional friend, There are a few things that i think you might like to be schooled on! Australians as a whole are a very complacent race that has a very sly government. They slide policies and legislations in place very slowly..Initially, there is a slight uproar, but over time we all swallow it without too much fuss. So it is needless to say that the current (However inane on YOUR behalf) political decline has been going on since the Eddie Mabo case in 1992! That gives our government AMPLE time to pitch the idea to the people and let them come to terms with the inevitable.
The Mabo case passed and "Land rights" slowly bagan to be awarded to anyone who asked for sacred land...but it wasnt untill the dwindeling years of Kevin rudd's political career that things became slightly more malicious.. the aboriginals made a big stand and said that they wanted a formal apology in the form of "Sorry" from the Australian people.
Every Prime minister up to that deadbeat Rudd had laughed it off as a big fucking joke (Along with every right thinking Aussie) but then Rudd comes along and drops the S Bomb! Within a month, brand new cars started showing up at what was run down derilict housing commision houses (Before they moved them into what was before considered "Rich" communities") and

Your remarks of me being a minority in thinking this is both truthfull and not.
Australians from the major cities do not see tru aboriginal behaviour (IF they actually see aboriginals at all!! They shipped them out to rural australia so as not to clog the cities.) and the ones that remain enjoy a decent amount of anonymity due to the fact that they may live in a city.

There are FOUR trains of thought as far as the Australian people think of this issue.

1. its completely fucked!! (usually the rural aussie resident who sees it for what it is)

2. Is this really happening?! (The city dweller who dosnt see the day to day exploits of the aboriginal people)

3. Its THEIR country...give them everything they want! (Usually the hippy type of moron who is so far detached from reality that their opinion dosnt really amount to dog shit...much like yours runningdownthatdream..These are the people who have not only NOT seen it first hand, but the people who tend to rely on other people to supply them with an opinion so that they may regurgitate it and really showcase their utter persona of ignorance and fuckwitacism (you wont find that in any notable dictionary...i made it up JUST FOR YOU!)

4. These represent the MAJORITY of Australia... Its completely wrong, but short of going vigalante style and starting a KKK type of thinking there is nothing we can do about it...So we will grit our teeth everytime we see a boong drive past in a $80k car and pulling into the driveway of his million dollar house and 18 of the cunts pile out of the car and rip the mailbox out to use for firewood....call you a white cunt before throwing a brick through their goverment issues mansion's fron window!!....We just bare it cuz THAT is the way AUSTRALIA is!
mate i could show you some fucking pictures that would shut you up on the spot!
The failed multi BILLION dollar missions built on some of australias most sought after development proporties on some of the worlds most attractive beaches that have either been burned down or just destroyed for fun!

Now as i posted before runningdownthatdream, YOU are no where NEAR qualified to regurgitate your opinion...You are an ignorant, slimey, wanna-be superhero....Something that is VERY expendable in todays society....If you would like to carry on this conversation with me, i would recommend...no...DEMAND that you go and do some form of research before you stick your over-opinionated, worthless comments here again.

As for your Lunacy comments...Cmon...thats pretty lame. lmao!

[loadsofit]

Clearly you took a good look in the mirror and had a moment of inner reflection before choosing your user name as it fits you quite well.

Load So fit?
er....I dont get it.




Fucktard!

[runningdownthatdream]

UNFORTUNATELY my little dilusional friend, There are a few things that i think you might like to be schooled on! Australians as a whole are a very complacent race that has a very sly government. They slide policies and legislations in place very slowly..Initially, there is a slight uproar, but over time we all swallow it without too much fuss. So it is needless to say that the current (However inane on YOUR behalf) political decline has been going on since the Eddie Mabo case in 1992! That gives our government AMPLE time to pitch the idea to the people and let them come to terms with the inevitable.
The Mabo case passed and "Land rights" slowly bagan to be awarded to anyone who asked for sacred land...but it wasnt untill the dwindeling years of Kevin rudd's political career that things became slightly more malicious.. the aboriginals made a big stand and said that they wanted a formal apology in the form of "Sorry" from the Australian people.
Every Prime minister up to that deadbeat Rudd had laughed it off as a big fucking joke (Along with every right thinking Aussie) but then Rudd comes along and drops the S Bomb! Within a month, brand new cars started showing up at what was run down derilict housing commision houses (Before they moved them into what was before considered "Rich" communities") and

Your remarks of me being a minority in thinking this is both truthfull and not.
Australians from the major cities do not see tru aboriginal behaviour (IF they actually see aboriginals at all!! They shipped them out to rural australia so as not to clog the cities.) and the ones that remain enjoy a decent amount of anonymity due to the fact that they may live in a city.

There are FOUR trains of thought as far as the Australian people think of this issue.

1. its completely fucked!! (usually the rural aussie resident who sees it for what it is)

2. Is this really happening?! (The city dweller who dosnt see the day to day exploits of the aboriginal people)

3. Its THEIR country...give them everything they want! (Usually the hippy type of moron who is so far detached from reality that their opinion dosnt really amount to dog shit...much like yours runningdownthatdream..These are the people who have not only NOT seen it first hand, but the people who tend to rely on other people to supply them with an opinion so that they may regurgitate it and really showcase their utter persona of ignorance and fuckwitacism (you wont find that in any notable dictionary...i made it up JUST FOR YOU!)

4. These represent the MAJORITY of Australia... Its completely wrong, but short of going vigalante style and starting a KKK type of thinking there is nothing we can do about it...So we will grit our teeth everytime we see a boong drive past in a $80k car and pulling into the driveway of his million dollar house and 18 of the cunts pile out of the car and rip the mailbox out to use for firewood....call you a white cunt before throwing a brick through their goverment issues mansion's fron window!!....We just bare it cuz THAT is the way AUSTRALIA is!
mate i could show you some fucking pictures that would shut you up on the spot!
The failed multi BILLION dollar missions built on some of australias most sought after development proporties on some of the worlds most attractive beaches that have either been burned down or just destroyed for fun!

Now as i posted before runningdownthatdream, YOU are no where NEAR qualified to regurgitate your opinion...You are an ignorant, slimey, wanna-be superhero....Something that is VERY expendable in todays society....If you would like to carry on this conversation with me, i would recommend...no...DEMAND that you go and do some form of research before you stick your over-opinionated, worthless comments here again.

As for your Lunacy comments...Cmon...thats pretty lame. lmao!

Well maybe you can take the example set by others who thought like you...you know: those Europeans whose hatred of Jews led to concentration camps and mass killings in the 1940s or those Europeans whose hatred of Muslims led to concentration camps and mass killing in the 1990s or those Africans whose hatred of 'priviledged' Tutsis led to mass killings in the 1990s. If you were to educate yourself you'll see it all started with opinions like yours.

Despite your comments though you are a minority and sadly it will be you and those who think like you that will die off and disappear - you are worse than anything you call me - you are IRRELEVANT

[f1manoz]

Australia.

Me being from there and all.

Plus Kiwi's shag sheep.

[russtafa]

This guy would not last 2 minutes in a abo area. But trendy lefties never live near areas like that, their hearts bleed from a nice save ,rich,comfortable distance where they can tut tut the working people for their realistic attitudes .The trendy lefties always want to dictate to the workers how we should behave and think and accept our lot in life and do as we are told that's why the greens/labour are coping a kicking in the polls

[loadsofit]

Well maybe you can take the example set by others who thought like you...you know: those Europeans whose hatred of Jews led to concentration camps and mass killings in the 1940s or those Europeans whose hatred of Muslims led to concentration camps and mass killing in the 1990s or those Africans whose hatred of 'priviledged' Tutsis led to mass killings in the 1990s. If you were to educate yourself you'll see it all started with opinions like yours.

Despite your comments though you are a minority and sadly it will be you and those who think like you that will die off and disappear - you are worse than anything you call me - you are IRRELEVANT

Hey fuckhead, didnt i tell you to research before you showed your fuckin ugly little opinion again? And what did you do?....you came back just as ignorant as before but tried to make comparissons to OTHER cultures. You REALLY are fuckin stupid arnt you?

Well we arnt any of those countries, WE ARE AUSTRALIA...and if we were to start a genocide, i think the rest of the united world would agree we'd start with everyone one of you war mongering yanks that act like you!!! The sad, fat american sitting on his fucking ass sprouting anti war and anti discrimination bullshit while living off a country accountable for the WORST atrocities in history!!! Take a look in your own fuckin backyard pal! and go and hug a fuckin indian for all the things YOU did to him!! then after your done giving YOUR paycheck to cheif running bear, you can fly your stupid ass over here and sit down to a nice meal with an abo and afterwards you two can make love all fuckin night while the couch burns delicately in the background!

IM speaking the TRUTH about FACTS that happen in MY country, YOU are talking SHIT about THINGS you have NO idea about!
Now you tell me who's irrelivant?

Im fuckin done with this idiot. anyone else wanna' rip on him for a while, its quite satisfying up to a point, he really has no valid facts or comebacks...might suit an amature?

[runningdownthatdream]

Loads of It................it is pointless to try and intelligently debate anything with someone who uses invective too freely. Good night and may the Abos do that which you most fear.

[russtafa]

good don't talk about something you don't know anything about

[runningdownthatdream]

good don't talk about something you don't know anything about

Do you realize that those very words were spoken by others in many places all over the world shortly before they started their own purges and genocides?

The things your countryman is spouting should be embarassing to anyone of intelligence. It is one thing to be angry at the state of affairs in your country but something completely different when you try to place blame on an single 'race' or minority. I completely understand why you would be angry at special treatment for others that you think don't deserve it but is it really impacting your life to such an extent? Also, In my experience with people like your friend, they tend to be poor, uneducated, lacking in social and technical skills. These types of people are the first casualties in changes to society, economy, etc because they cannot adapt. In just the same way that Aboriginals could not adapt to the changes that came upon them. Does that make sense? If you and your friend are somehow better you'd stop the complaining and figure out a way to be successful and not blame the Abos for taking what you think you deserve.

Despite what you and your friend may think your problem isn't uniquely Australian - it is human and global.

[russtafa]

it is not only that it is also that welfare is killing them

[robertlouis]

it is not only that it is also that welfare is killing them

An article by John Pilger from The Guardian this weekend about the latest developments between government bodies in Australia and the aboriginal communities.

I offer no additional comment - it speaks for itself.

The invasion of Australia

Australia's forbidden word has been uttered at last. And with it comes a new Aboriginal articulacy.


The City of Sydney council has voted to replace the words "European arrival" in the official record with "invasion". The deputy lord mayor, Marcelle Hoff, says it is intellectually dishonest to use any other word to describe how Aboriginal Australia was dispossessed by the British. "We were invaded," said Paul Morris, an Aboriginal adviser to the council. "It is the truth and shouldn't be watered down. We wouldn't expect Jewish people to accept a watered-down version of the Holocaust, so why should we?"

In 2008, the then prime minister Kevin Rudd formally apologised to Aborigines wrenched from their families as children under a policy inspired by the crypto-fascist theories of eugenics. White Australia was said to be coming to terms with its rapacious past, and present. Was it? The Rudd government, noted a Sydney Morning Herald editorial at the time, "has moved quickly to clear away this piece of political wreckage in a way that responds to some of its supporters' emotional needs, yet it changes nothing. It is a shrewd manoeuvre."

The City of Sydney ruling is a very different gesture – different, and admirable; for it reflects not a liberal and limited "sorry campaign", seeking feel-good "reconciliation" rather than justice, but counters a cowardly movement of historical revision in which a collection of far-right politicians, journalists and minor academics claimed there was no invasion, no genocide, no stolen generations, no racism.

The platform for these holocaust deniers is the Murdoch press, which has long run its own insidious campaign against the indigenous population, presenting them as victims of each other or as noble savages requiring firm direction: the eugenicists' view. Favoured black "leaders" who tell the white elite what it wants to hear while blaming their own people for their poverty provide a PC cover for a racism that often shocks foreign visitors. Today the first Australians have one of the shortest life expectancies in the world and are incarcerated at five times the rate of black people in apartheid South Africa. Go to the outback and see the children blinded by trachoma, a biblical disease, entirely preventable. The Aboriginal people are both Australia's secret and this otherwise derivative society's most amazing distinction.

In its landmark rejection of historical propaganda, Sydney recognises black Australia's "cultural endurance" and, without saying so directly, a growing resistance to an outrage known as "the intervention". In 2007, John Howard sent the army into Aboriginal Australia to "protect the children" who, said his minister, were being abused in "unthinkable numbers". It is striking how Australia's incestuous political and media elite so often rounds on the tiny black minority with all the fervour of the guilty, unaware perhaps that the national mythology remains culpably damaged while a nationhood, once stolen, is not returned to the original inhabitants.

Journalists accepted the Howard government's reason for "intervening" and went hunting for the lurid. One national TV programme used an "anonymous youth worker" to allege "sex slavery" rings among the Mutitjulu people. He was later exposed as a federal government official. Of 7,433 Aboriginal children examined by doctors, just four were identified as possible cases of abuse. There were no "unthinkable numbers". The rate was around that of white child abuse. The difference was that no soldiers invaded the beachside suburbs; no white parents were swept aside, their wages diminished and welfare "quarantined". It was all a mighty charade, but with serious purpose.

The Labor governments that followed Howard have reinforced the new controlling powers over black homelands, the strict Julia Gillard especially – she who lectures her compatriots on the virtues of colonial wars that "make us who we are today" and imprisons refugees from those wars indefinitely, including children, on an offshore island not deemed to be Australia, which it is.

In the Northern Territory, the Gillard government is in effect driving Aboriginal communities into apartheid areas where they will be "economically viable". The unspoken reason is that the Northern Territory is the only part of Australia where Aborigines have comprehensive land rights; and here lie some of the world's biggest deposits of uranium, and other minerals.

The most powerful political force in Australia is the multibillion-dollar mining industry. Canberra wants to mine and sell, and those bloody blackfellas are in the way again. But this time they are organised, articulate, militant. They know it is a second invasion. Having finally uttered the forbidden word, white Australians should stand with them.

[f1manoz]

An article by John Pilger from The Guardian this weekend about the latest developments between government bodies in Australia and the aboriginal communities.

I offer no additional comment - it speaks for itself.

The invasion of Australia

Australia's forbidden word has been uttered at last. And with it comes a new Aboriginal articulacy.


The City of Sydney council has voted to replace the words "European arrival" in the official record with "invasion". The deputy lord mayor, Marcelle Hoff, says it is intellectually dishonest to use any other word to describe how Aboriginal Australia was dispossessed by the British. "We were invaded," said Paul Morris, an Aboriginal adviser to the council. "It is the truth and shouldn't be watered down. We wouldn't expect Jewish people to accept a watered-down version of the Holocaust, so why should we?"

In 2008, the then prime minister Kevin Rudd formally apologised to Aborigines wrenched from their families as children under a policy inspired by the crypto-fascist theories of eugenics. White Australia was said to be coming to terms with its rapacious past, and present. Was it? The Rudd government, noted a Sydney Morning Herald editorial at the time, "has moved quickly to clear away this piece of political wreckage in a way that responds to some of its supporters' emotional needs, yet it changes nothing. It is a shrewd manoeuvre."

The City of Sydney ruling is a very different gesture – different, and admirable; for it reflects not a liberal and limited "sorry campaign", seeking feel-good "reconciliation" rather than justice, but counters a cowardly movement of historical revision in which a collection of far-right politicians, journalists and minor academics claimed there was no invasion, no genocide, no stolen generations, no racism.

The platform for these holocaust deniers is the Murdoch press, which has long run its own insidious campaign against the indigenous population, presenting them as victims of each other or as noble savages requiring firm direction: the eugenicists' view. Favoured black "leaders" who tell the white elite what it wants to hear while blaming their own people for their poverty provide a PC cover for a racism that often shocks foreign visitors. Today the first Australians have one of the shortest life expectancies in the world and are incarcerated at five times the rate of black people in apartheid South Africa. Go to the outback and see the children blinded by trachoma, a biblical disease, entirely preventable. The Aboriginal people are both Australia's secret and this otherwise derivative society's most amazing distinction.

In its landmark rejection of historical propaganda, Sydney recognises black Australia's "cultural endurance" and, without saying so directly, a growing resistance to an outrage known as "the intervention". In 2007, John Howard sent the army into Aboriginal Australia to "protect the children" who, said his minister, were being abused in "unthinkable numbers". It is striking how Australia's incestuous political and media elite so often rounds on the tiny black minority with all the fervour of the guilty, unaware perhaps that the national mythology remains culpably damaged while a nationhood, once stolen, is not returned to the original inhabitants.

Journalists accepted the Howard government's reason for "intervening" and went hunting for the lurid. One national TV programme used an "anonymous youth worker" to allege "sex slavery" rings among the Mutitjulu people. He was later exposed as a federal government official. Of 7,433 Aboriginal children examined by doctors, just four were identified as possible cases of abuse. There were no "unthinkable numbers". The rate was around that of white child abuse. The difference was that no soldiers invaded the beachside suburbs; no white parents were swept aside, their wages diminished and welfare "quarantined". It was all a mighty charade, but with serious purpose.

The Labor governments that followed Howard have reinforced the new controlling powers over black homelands, the strict Julia Gillard especially – she who lectures her compatriots on the virtues of colonial wars that "make us who we are today" and imprisons refugees from those wars indefinitely, including children, on an offshore island not deemed to be Australia, which it is.

In the Northern Territory, the Gillard government is in effect driving Aboriginal communities into apartheid areas where they will be "economically viable". The unspoken reason is that the Northern Territory is the only part of Australia where Aborigines have comprehensive land rights; and here lie some of the world's biggest deposits of uranium, and other minerals.

The most powerful political force in Australia is the multibillion-dollar mining industry. Canberra wants to mine and sell, and those bloody blackfellas are in the way again. But this time they are organised, articulate, militant. They know it is a second invasion. Having finally uttered the forbidden word, white Australians should stand with them.

I studied Australian history at University over 10 years ago and they were already referring to the colonisation of Australia as an 'invasion' due to the mistake of believing Australia was terra nullius.

[russtafa]

the right and left are responsible for this mess they should be training abo outback communities in working in the mines which pulls in big money instead of this leftist crying or the liberals/conservatives using the abos as weapon against labour

[Prospero]

I'm not sure that Pilger's journalism ever quite speaks for itself. He has a constant and consistent agenda and will certainly deploy (if not bend) the truth and facts to suit his set of agendas.. I'm not knocking this piece, but Pilger's writing should always be taken with a very big grain of scepticism. The same caveats apply to the usually brilliant Robert Fisk's reportage from the Middle east.

That being said this piece is actually spot-on. I wonder when the USA and canada will start talking about how they invaded their stolen nations.

[russtafa]

the abo's should not use the word invasion it's a two edged sword.If they are a conquered people then it also means they were at war with the invaders and the Europeans won that war and as such "to the victor go the spoils".If not England,France and these days most definitely Indonesia as they have done with Papua and they most definitely would not apologise but exploit the country to the max and that is the sad reality things in this world though the ages.i think things will always repeat them selves until the very end of this world

[runningdownthatdream]

it is not only that it is also that welfare is killing them

Welfare without an exit strategy for the recipient is a cancer - it only offers short-term solutions. Unfortunately, however, civil servants without a care for long-term planning administer it and lack the motivation to fix it. The same problems exist here in Canada.

[runningdownthatdream]

the abo's should not use the word invasion it's a two edged sword.If they are a conquered people then it also means they were at war with the invaders and the Europeans won that war and as such "to the victor go the spoils".If not England,France and these days most definitely Indonesia as they have done with Papua and they most definitely would not apologise but exploit the country to the max and that is the sad reality things in this world though the ages.i think things will always repeat them selves until the very end of this world

You have a good point about invasion vs a passive occupation. The Enlightenment started a wave of thinking contrary to that theory possibly in the hope that 'advanced' cultures will try to help the fallen rather than bury them alive. As usual with these things the concept was great but without planning and execution it has created these situations all over the world that our generation and several others after it will have to deal with.

I agree with you to a point: things do tend to repeat themselves and probably will until the end of the world but by adjusting the way we see things I think we can make a difference - however slight it may be.

[russtafa]

good point i agree with you,and i wish these governments and civil servants would try and get welfare out of their heads and look at a long term solution

[robertlouis]

I wonder when the USA and canada will start talking about how they invaded their stolen nations.

....and then do the right thing and fire it back at the English, French and Spanish, who between them started the whole sorry mess.

[loadsofit]

I agree with you to a point: things do tend to repeat themselves and probably will until the end of the world but by adjusting the way we see things I think we can make a difference - however slight it may be.

We have adjusted...we went from having an equilibrium to giving them victim status.
Every victim deserves compensation...NO ONE knows this more than the Aboriginies!

And ill tell you why. The fight dosnt even exist between the abo's and the government, it exists between parties trying to secure the abo vote and to apease the pro-abo rights wanna-be's of the world and australia...Judging by runningdownthatdream and robertlouis' comments, their actions are obviously NOT going unnoticed!!)

The ONLY fight the abo is having is a complete racial hate for white australia!
He dosnt give a fuck about new cars and a new house, he just wants to call you a white cunt, have a lifetime supply of alcohol and rub in the fact that the government has turned its back on its own culture! (and of course, hunt in packs of 20+ and bash anyone that isnt black!)

The abo just sits in the middle and lets all the budget piss down on them like rain while the bickering and policy changes in parliment decide who is the most puplular, voters choice euro trash!

Everyone here is claiming that we are targeting a minority!
I would like to note that everything i have expressed is aimed towards the greater MAJORITY of aboriginal behaviour.

May i point out again that in a community of 6000+ abos only two actually have employment. Thats 5998 unemployed abos in ONE community alone!
Dont try and say that the employment opportunities dont exist! They have more access to employment than ANY white australian, and free university!!

They are the single drain on this countries economy and are making this fine country de-evolve!

[loadsofit]

....and then do the right thing and fire it back at the English, French and Spanish, who between them started the whole sorry mess.

...no....or just take the blame for themselves.
Aussies have set the precedent....
Just be carefull, when buying an Indian a Casino is not enough anymore...When living in poverty in reservations isnt enough.
You'll get where we are comming from!

[russtafa]

these bleeding hearts do more damage than good

[loadsofit]

these bleeding hearts do more damage than good

still russtafa, is so unbelievable to hear it.
They have NO idea!!
yet they still keep posting like they do!

Im half inclined to asked them for a holiday to MY house and bask in it for a week or two!

[russtafa]

No don't do that because they would blame you for your town because you work and are not a abo and not a junkie

[robertlouis]

Going back to Dino's OP and the picture that Russ and Loads have painted of Australia, it has to be New Zealand. I mean, if it's so completely overrun by aboriginals and their rights why would anyone in their right mind want to live there?


Note to mods: sarcastic smiley required.

[Falrune]

Australia. Olivia Newton-John was hot!

[Dino Velvet]

Australia. Olivia Newton-John was hot!

Until they chopped her tits off.

[runningdownthatdream]

Going back to Dino's OP and the picture that Russ and Loads have painted of Australia, it has to be New Zealand. I mean, if it's so completely overrun by aboriginals and their rights why would anyone in their right mind want to live there?


Note to mods: sarcastic smiley required.

I'll say it for them: Touche RL!

[russtafa]

sarcasm is the lowest form of humour.Australia is like America different parts of the country are very different

[robertlouis]

sarcasm is the lowest form of humour.Australia is like America different parts of the country are very different

Maybe, Russ. But that's the picture you've painted of your country on this thread.

And the UK is like Australia, America and every country in the world. Different parts of it are not at all like other parts. No shit.

[russtafa]

i just would never like to be in the bad parts for long thanks very much that's why i work like demon to keep my self out of them