Kimber James: FREE PORN!

[hunkystudcal]

Is there any point in joining the Kimber James website when most of her material is freely available on various torrent sites?

I've seen 100s of her videos now totally free of charge. So I wonder....how many "NEW" ways can she get screwed that I havn't seen?

Have paysites had their day I wonder?

[Swag.]

lol my dude!!!!!!!!!!!

[LibertyHarkness]

maybe join her site its not like 30dollars is expensive..for a month and to help fund newshoots etc ...models with solo sites . myself as examnple the money i make from my site goes back into booking models/. locations. outfits etc camera kit etc, hosting ..

personallyi am all up for streaming only now bandwidths are getting more quicker and more stable /lower costs for people .. and there is some very secure methods of streaming that are costly to the owner but lock out piracy much more ..i cant even remember the last time i downloaded a movie , i jsut stream movies on the sites if they have it.. much easier for me i find..

if somone cant afford 30bucks these days , how can thy even afford the internet lol and lets be honest 30bucks is what a few beers less a few packet of fags less a month ..

if everyone didnt pay for porn then it would be dead yes ..as there is no ROI for the studio/models etc ..

[flabbybody]

I don't think people consider that Liberty.
Every kid I know downloads free music like crazy yet Gaga and Katy Perry keep making the mega hits. The labels moan about how it's cutting into their margins but no one seems to care. If the songs stopped coming maybe that would make people stop stealing content.

[Nikka]

say no to piracy mmmmmmmmmmmmk?

[kaiser1one]

My god dude. Even I wouldnt just blurt something like that out. lol.

[SammiValentine]

Thats a err really good erm point yea.. get back to you on that one. :)

[kaiser1one]

Thing is though about the streaming, bandwidths are getting cheaper yes(just not in america) but the download limits are lowering as well. Comca$t has 250gb, but some people have like 100gb or even 30gb. It's too random and would only limit people's viewings.

[Mayrah]

Come to holland, unlimited downloading yo! :dancing:

[dgs925]

Just say no to paying for porn! I haven't paid for porn since I discovered the internet in 1997.

As to the argument "If everyone stops paying for it, the actors will stop making it," well, cry me a river. I guarantee there will be tons of amateurs uploading their stuff, so who needs professionals? Also, why should they get paid to fuck when the rest of us have to get a job we hate?

[loveboof]

It's not that 30 quid is a lot, I think it's the fact it's a subscription.

If there was an iTunes for porn where you pay for what you download - all quick and easy with a sleek interface, I think it would do very well!

Or how the Kaiser Chiefs are allowing fans to choose their own artwork and tracks for the new album, maybe allow porn fans to pick their favourite stars to act out the scenes in adult movies.. ?

[GroobySteven]

It's not that 30 quid is a lot, I think it's the fact it's a subscription.

If there was an iTunes for porn where you pay for what you download - all quick and easy with a sleek interface, I think it would do very well!

Or how the Kaiser Chiefs are allowing fans to choose their own artwork and tracks for the new album, maybe allow porn fans to pick their favourite stars to act out the scenes in adult movies.. ?

That's a good point Loveboof and that IS the future of how porn will be, an Itunes type system. You can see the VOD models at http://www.groobyvod.com which works well for DVD's and then we set up http://www.buddywood.com/vod/ and http://pkvegasvod.com but their is need for a better system.

[LibertyHarkness]

amazing how many retards on this site indeed ..

[Teydyn]

Streaming wont stop the pirates. Its not that hard to capture the stream and if by any chance it will be difficult/impossible you can always just do a digital recording of what goes to your monitor. Might be a bit of a hassle, but then the pirates can upload it to their own illegal sites and make money.

The ones that pay and want to download are the stupid ones then...

[MrsKellyPierce]

Good point Liberty - no money no more new content to download off torrents.

[loveboof]

amazing how many retards on this site indeed ..
I'm not sure who you're referring to here, but dgs925 has a point. If the whole porn industry collapsed because of free internet porn (which it won't), then there will still be naked pictures and sex videos and whatever else people want to see online.

It is in the hands of the industry to become more innovative, not the issue of the consumers. If porn websites can no longer compete, then they deserve to go under imo...

[iamdrgonzo]

If there was an iTunes for porn where you pay for what you download - all quick and easy with a sleek interface, I think it would do very well!



Porn a la carte what an excellent idea.

[LibertyHarkness]

but its not amatur we are talking about .. we are talking about professional shot material being ripped off ... that costs lots of money to produce ..if people want to see gilrs like kiumber james etc if they cant earn money they wont shoot its that simple ..then their fans will not be able to see them anymore ..that is what we are talking about .

Hell any cunt can shoot webcam videos and stick it on xhamster its not hard is it ..but how long till people get pissed off that everything is shot crap, poor lit, crappy angles etc ... as that is what amatuer porn is about ... home made porn ... no lighting, no cameraperson moving around to open the scene for a viewer ... dont be naive ..

ITs also in the hands of people to not be thieving cunts ...as a member of public you dont just walk into a car show room and steal a fucking porsche do you ... you dont just walk into a supermarket and help yourself to food without paying do you .... sp dpmt try and make out its not a problem when it fucking well is ..

Piracy will never be stopped its impossible thats a certainity but it does need to be reduced and if people are bitching that tehy cant see xyz scenes on free sites anymore easily as companies are working hard on getting scenes taken off etc, then boo fucking hoo..

[Swag.]

shave your armpits :)

[LibertyHarkness]

bleach your skin :)

[MrsKellyPierce]

Exactly people complain about the quality and productions of porn now..if people paid more the productions and quality would go up.

Models would be paid better and production companies could afford more!

[LibertyHarkness]

i am european we like hairy armpits ... actually i dont mind hairy armpits as it goes

[LibertyHarkness]

to be honest though kelly its pointless even taking on this forum about serious things like piracy etc ... as most of the pople will never pay for porn anyway lol

[GroobySteven]

It is in the hands of the industry to become more innovative, not the issue of the consumers. If porn websites can no longer compete, then they deserve to go under imo...

Well when people are stealing and profiting from it, then it is somewhat in the hands of the consumer. You have a choice whether to buy that $500 TV from the guy in the pub for $100, knowing full well it's been stolen from your neighbour or a store and that you are perpetuating crime.
The tube model isn't really the issue and some sharing content among fans has always gone on and it's acceptable, it's the file lockers where a handful of people, download the content from your site the day it goes online and then uploads it to a filelocker (like rapidshare) and then they make money from people who sign up to the rapidshare premium options. Those uploaders are clearly breaking the law - and so is anyone downloading it.

Businesses don't deserve to "go under" when crimes are being committed against them, they deserve to fail when they are offering poor customer service, poor products and fail to compete.

[MrsKellyPierce]

to be honest though kelly its pointless even taking on this forum about serious things like piracy etc ... as most of the pople will never pay for porn anyway lol
True anything you talk about serious on here is never talked about...

I brought up the Cal Osha meeting and barely anyone commented.

How condoms are going to become mandatory etc.

You think the viewers would care me..

[GroobySteven]

to be honest though kelly its pointless even taking on this forum about serious things like piracy etc ... as most of the pople will never pay for porn anyway lol

I'd actually say that many of the people on this forum pay for porn which is why I continue to promote here, to allow photos to be shown and to engage people directly on these issues.

We even have a "report piracy" link which people use:

http://www.grooby.com/piracy/

[LibertyHarkness]

they dont understand nor care kelly that is why ... i am done on this thread xx

i been reading about that meeting abit online as well ...

[LibertyHarkness]

well the ones saying they dont pay for porn and will never certainly wont sign up ... i think HA is split into members .. i think there is a silent core that signup to sites, and enjoy pics etc posted under fhgs ..

then there is the usual crowd that maybe a few joinsites here and there, your franklins etc ... then i think yoiu have the crowd that just like bantering / trolling etc ...

[MrsKellyPierce]

well the ones saying they dont pay for porn and will never certainly wont sign up ... i think HA is split into members .. i think there is a silent core that signup to sites, and enjoy pics etc posted under fhgs ..

then there is the usual crowd that maybe a few joinsites here and there, your franklins etc ... then i think yoiu have the crowd that just like bantering / trolling etc ...
Keep in mind Liberty there a thousands of people that view this board daily who just don't post.

They don't post because of the drama or find it too mean.

Or just register to look at the pics and what is going on.

[loveboof]

but its not amatur we are talking about .. we are talking about professional shot material being ripped off ... that costs lots of money to produce ..if people want to see gilrs like kiumber james etc if they cant earn money they wont shoot its that simple ..then their fans will not be able to see them anymore ..that is what we are talking about .

Hell any cunt can shoot webcam videos and stick it on xhamster its not hard is it ..but how long till people get pissed off that everything is shot crap, poor lit, crappy angles etc ... as that is what amatuer porn is about ... home made porn ... no lighting, no cameraperson moving around to open the scene for a viewer ... dont be naive ..

ITs also in the hands of people to not be thieving cunts ...as a member of public you dont just walk into a car show room and steal a fucking porsche do you ... you dont just walk into a supermarket and help yourself to food without paying do you .... sp dpmt try and make out its not a problem when it fucking well is ..

Piracy will never be stopped its impossible thats a certainity but it does need to be reduced and if people are bitching that tehy cant see xyz scenes on free sites anymore easily as companies are working hard on getting scenes taken off etc, then boo fucking hoo..
Is it not possible to have a conversation on here without someone becoming aggressive?

If you can't see the difference between someone stealing a car, and a person watching a few clips on a tube site then there really is no point talking to you.

I understand the concept perfectly well - I work in the music industry. But tbh, I can see more innovation and ingenuity on behalf of these 'mainstream' industries than on the samey porn sites that spring up everywhere.

Those vod sites seanchai posted are a good idea, and as soon as they become better designed they probably do represent the future...

[LibertyHarkness]

but its not just someone watching a few clips is it .. we are talking about the blatant ripping off and mass uploading of stolen/pirated content ..dont be so stupid to think its not. if that was the case then no one would be bothered if it was just a few clips here and there ...

So if it just a few clips from each town in each county, in each country, kinda racks up eh :) Theft is theft, if some asshole joins your site to deliberately rip all the content to upload file sites then yeah thats Theft and yeh that is just as serious as stealing a car.. least cars are insured and you get your money back ...

[loveboof]

but its not just someone watching a few clips is it .. we are talking about the blatant ripping off and mass uploading of stolen/pirated content ..dont be so stupid to think its not. if that was the case then no one would be bothered if it was just a few clips here and there ...

So if it just a few clips from each town in each county, in each country, kinda racks up eh :) Theft is theft, if some asshole joins your site to deliberately rip all the content to upload file sites then yeah thats Theft and yeh that is just as serious as stealing a car.. least cars are insured and you get your money back ...
But most of the people you are so vehemently attacking are in fact the people who just watch the clips.

I am not denying that theft is involved, and that there should be a solution - but we're not talking about a commodity in the same sense as a car or food at a supermarket. What about a friend of that person who knowingly purchased a stolen tv coming round to watch something, are they guilty even if they too know it is stolen?

I understand that you're a porn star so want this to be cut and dry, but it is a difficult issue. Millionaire rockstars suing kids is not a solution...

[SirCumsAlot]

kimber needs to learn how to cum

[bartholomeus]

The main problem is signing up.... i don't think anyone mentioned it but if you pay 30$ per site for only one model how much content will you get?

Yet if you want variety, and its obvious no one wants to be married to a specific porn material, then you will want to sing up for other sites. So how many sites can the common consumer afford at $30/month?

There needs to be more sites like bang bros which mesh together many different sites for a reasonable price. As far as i know the only one that has this and with trans porn is reality kings, but its only one site in their network (not sure if yum bundles their sites)....

If there was more sites with gg porn and more trans porn material of high quality like BB and RK then i think more people would sign up.

The problem is that now a days every model wants to make their own member site. I remember about 15 years ago this was not prevalent, so it was mostly member sites. Now girls want to make their own profit because its perceived as being more profitable than shooting for a member site like say bobs. The problem is that now so many girls do it that the consumer is left with few options, and the TOTAL profit of the industry will start getting divided into all the member sites and these new entrepreneurs. This forces everyone to try to maximize their bottom line by cutting their losses (as piracy) and the consumer to look out for his bottom line which is free porn if they want variety ....

If you obsess over one model then yes you will want to sign up, but if you get bored of the same girls always what option do you have? Girls want independent model member sites that are profitable and get pissed at the consumer who would not pay for their site so goes and gets the content in an illicit manner.

Most consumers will not dish out ~$100 monthly in member sites. So this business model is not very profitable if we consider that the consumer has a finite amount of disposable income that he can direct towards porn.

This is why sites like RK, BB, and other 'networks' are fine despite much piracy because their model is like comparing Walmart to a mom & pops shop.

The entrepreneurs need to come up with different ways of making money instead of every single girl making a member site. Member sites need to be more like BB and RK, to get their the costumer base they want; that is people who won't pay. If for 30$ to 50$ a month you can get high quality material with gg, and ts perhaps even gay, and constant updates then the free porn consumer base will choose if they want crappy streaming over HD quality porn for a reasonable monthly price. More consumers sign up, and now you are making money from a base which you would not be able to tap before.

Given there will always be those who will not pay, but minimizing the gap should increase profit..

[kaiser1one]

Exactly people complain about the quality and productions of porn now..if people paid more the productions and quality would go up.

Now thats a damn lie and you know it.

[SirCumsAlot]

Now thats a damn lie and you know it.

:iagree::Bowdown::iagree:

[dgs925]

This sums it up pretty well.

[GroobySteven]

but we're not talking about a commodity in the same sense as a car or food at a supermarket.

That argument doesn't stand up whatsoever. It is exactly the same, the same processes of manufacture and investment have went into that commodity and X amount need to sell, to recoup that investment.

If that's the basis of your argument for piracy, then it's failed. Yes there are many gray areas as in your example of somebody watching a stolen TV at a friends house but the simple fact is, if it's been taken from the owner, without their consent it's stolen and anybody viewing this on tubes or filelockers IS aware of this.

[GroobySteven]

The main problem is signing up.... i don't think anyone mentioned it but if you pay 30$ per site for only one model how much content will you get?

I thought on the SMC network you could signup to all the girls sites for $30-$35??

[GroobySteven]

This sums it up pretty well.

Pathetic argument - you are worthless.

[bartholomeus]

smc?

[dgs925]

Pathetic argument - you are worthless.

I am absolutely worthless to the porn community, no doubt about that, since I give zero percent of my income to it.

[GroobySteven]

smc?
The company that runs almost all the solo girls sites, Kimber, Bailey, Morgan, Sarina, etc.

Just checked and you get 14 sites for one price.

[kaiser1one]

Seanchi, the argument is still valid though. Piracy indeed is merely copying from the source. Granted any potential money that could have been made may be gone. However, like that example I posted in another piracy related thread about the author who's whole comic was posted on 4chan and his sales actually increased, money can still be made.

It's not as simple as piracy = money loss when it could infact bring in more money than you were or may get.

[GroobySteven]

Seanchi, the argument is still valid though. Piracy indeed is merely copying from the source. Granted any potential money that could have been made may be gone. However, like that example I posted in another piracy related thread about the author who's whole comic was posted on 4chan and his sales actually increased, money can still be made.

It's not as simple as piracy = money loss when it could infact bring in more money than you were or may get.

Again, that copying from the source argument doesn't stand up - it's a product with an investment in it. If all potential comic book buyers had access to that individuals product, then he would never be able to make a profit on it.
With porn SOME piracy, does probably bring us sales back in. That's why on many levels we've allowed fans to swap small amounts of content and post it on domains like Hungangels. However, when a potential buyer comes onto the internet and he can get a whole website ripped AND the updates for free, the ability to convert him into a paying member has became extremely hard.

There actually IS a way to profit from piracy and that is to sue the pirates and those engaging in it. If you look at a company like Corbin Fisher, they've made a business out of it.

[bartholomeus]

Yeah just saw it. This is very smart, that's what i was thinking. Is there any grooby option that links all together?

My thinking is there will always be thieves and the new adults are all the generation that grew downloading mp3's, we think everything can be got for free online, and are more computer savvy. Its a difficult attitude to change, and the ball is always on the production company because thieves will always come up with new and innovative ways to copy material.

I believe the music industry is bigger than porn? and they sure have had a difficult time keeping the profits they had previous to the digital music era.

How do you get a site to take off copyrighted material on say a tube whose site is hosted overseas?

[GroobySteven]

Yeah just saw it. This is very smart, that's what i was thinking. Is there any grooby option that links all together?

My thinking is there will always be thieves and the new adults are all the generation that grew downloading mp3's, we think everything can be got for free online, and are more computer savvy. Its a difficult attitude to change, and the ball is always on the production company because thieves will always come up with new and innovative ways to copy material.

I believe the music industry is bigger than porn? and they sure have had a difficult time keeping the profits they had previous to the digital music era.

How do you get a site to take off copyrighted material on say a tube whose site is hosted overseas?

Somebody asked about this on a different thread. Our sites simply could not sustain the amount of content we put up on a weekly basis (on each site) at a decent sales ticket (the numbers we looked at were well over a $100 a month). We do have discounts to many sites and do special offers (http://www.shemaledeals.com) and we do have a system here which I think is excellent and many take advantage of as it doesn't mean they are on one site or rebilled monthly http://www.grooby.com/tickets/index.html

We also have billing changes underway that would allow people to become more selective but sincerely, our business model is working and we're doing better than most companies because we are hitting specific niches with what they are asking for.

If a tube site is hosted in Europe then sending DMCA's will get it removed fairly fast. If a company does not respond to DMCA's you then go directly to it's host, billing company or even domain registrar and inform them as they can become liable for their clients.

[tvkim]

Been reading this thread and I'm just thankful that my adult paysite is not a direct source of income to me.

My main job is a well paid jewellery designer and graphic designer at a large company in the UK.

If I had to rely on making enough money to pay bills etc from my site, I would be very worried indeed by all the piracy going on.

Only this week, I have finally seen the light and took off all but one video from my xhamster account. What they are doing is getting out of hand there. I see so much copyrighted stuff on there now.

It used to be just home made amateur stuff, now it seems to be direct rip offs.

As for the steaming issue to stop downloading and uploading. It's very easy especially on a MAC to capture ANYTHING that moves on the screen, which can then be uploaded again.

I've seen plenty of vids by one of the main Adultwork T-girls regularly appear on torrent sites free to download. Jo jets stuff is all over the place too.

It appears that like the music business, piracy is just going to get worse. As for tracking ISPs etc. They just use a proxy server pr ISP shield to get round that!

We are all doomed!!

Just my take on things.

[Quiet Reflections]

True anything you talk about serious on here is never talked about...

I brought up the Cal Osha meeting and barely anyone commented.

How condoms are going to become mandatory etc.

You think the viewers would care me..
I thought they drafted a proposal but hadn't decided on what to do yet. Weren't the performers(producers,etc) there to try to convince them it would cause work loss, decreased profits and ultimately a mass exodus from the state. I would think It would be a while before they sent their final draft to the state for approval anyway right? Porn is a huge part of California I can't imagine they would want to clear the entire Valley and lose the heart of the industry to Vegas or Canada(or somewhere).

[zorga]

fun fun

[loveboof]

That argument doesn't stand up whatsoever. It is exactly the same, the same processes of manufacture and investment have went into that commodity and X amount need to sell, to recoup that investment.

If that's the basis of your argument for piracy, then it's failed. Yes there are many gray areas as in your example of somebody watching a stolen TV at a friends house but the simple fact is, if it's been taken from the owner, without their consent it's stolen and anybody viewing this on tubes or filelockers IS aware of this.
The breach of intellectual copyright is not the same as the theft of a physical object.

Whatever the resulting impact on profit and sales, you cannot approach the two with the same mindset. I don't believe that those kids downloading music are guilty of anything - it is not fair to hold them accountable. It is the same with the people watching porn on tube sites; they are not the ones responsible.

The fact they could be potential customers is irrelevant.

[lisaparadise]

the breach of intellectual copyright is not the same as the theft of a physical object.

Whatever the resulting impact on profit and sales, you cannot approach the two with the same mindset. I don't believe that those kids downloading music are guilty of anything - it is not fair to hold them accountable. It is the same with the people watching porn on tube sites; they are not the ones responsible.

The fact they could be potential customers is irrelevant.agreed very well said

[Iori]

Would getting rid of download option help with "theft"

No more download option.
Have built in webplayer (youtube, basically thats the VOD thing, right?)
reduce price per month 15.00

[bartholomeus]

Would getting rid of download option help with "theft"

No more download option.
Have built in webplayer (youtube, basically thats the VOD thing, right?)
reduce price per month 15.00

VOD can be captured. How about the software netflix uses like silverlight? im not sure if people are able to rip the video off that soft ware?

[MrsKellyPierce]

I thought they drafted a proposal but hadn't decided on what to do yet. Weren't the performers(producers,etc) there to try to convince them it would cause work loss, decreased profits and ultimately a mass exodus from the state. I would think It would be a while before they sent their final draft to the state for approval anyway right? Porn is a huge part of California I can't imagine they would want to clear the entire Valley and lose the heart of the industry to Vegas or Canada(or somewhere).
No doll :) according to Cal Osha we were supposed to be using condoms since 93 or 94 and we haven't been.

[woodywoodsac]

I go onto the password forums to get free access to Adult pay sites I visit

The days of pay sites are numbered

Look at how many record shops are closing, such as HMV in the UK

If paysites were priced more reasonably, we could all join and pay the fee

I think that at $30 a pop, they are far too expensive.

[SammiValentine]

I go onto the password forums to get free access to Adult pay sites I visit

The days of pay sites are numbered

Look at how many record shops are closing, such as HMV in the UK

If paysites were priced more reasonably, we could all join and pay the fee

I think that at $30 a pop, they are far too expensive.

Yes I mean look at how dropping CD and DVD prices have helped HMV... that is a great example :) Look how the masses flocked now more affordable.. ahem.

30 dollars is what £18. That is really to much to spare once every 6 or 12 months to download all content on a site..? really ?!

That is what 5 pints in town on a weekend nowadays?

Or do you mean you want yo be a constant member at a lower fee - if so whats in your mind acceptable? Just curious. Ta x

[GroobySteven]

I go onto the password forums to get free access to Adult pay sites I visit

The days of pay sites are numbered

Look at how many record shops are closing, such as HMV in the UK

If paysites were priced more reasonably, we could all join and pay the fee

I think that at $30 a pop, they are far too expensive.


Why are they too expensive?
How much do you think we shoudl pay a model?
How much should server charges be reduced?
How about what I pay a webmaster/photoshopper/editor/cleaner/driver/...
Fuck off.

[GroobySteven]

The breach of intellectual copyright is not the same as the theft of a physical object.
.

Explain?
It's EXACTLY the same. Both have invested manufacturing costs?
Spin it anyway you want, suck off you own cock if it makes you content but downloading of content, YOU did not pay for and the owner did not make available is theft.

[GroobySteven]

I go onto the password forums to get free access to Adult pay sites I visit

Brewster, you're so cooooool.
:loser:

[tvkim]

Those password Forums are NASTY!

Make me want to give up sometimes and just give all my material away for free.

That will show them!

[loveboof]

Explain?
It's EXACTLY the same. Both have invested manufacturing costs?
Spin it anyway you want, suck off you own cock if it makes you content but downloading of content, YOU did not pay for and the owner did not make available is theft.
It's amazing how much nicer you are when you're trying to sell one of your websites!

I can't be arsed to educate you on the nuance of copyright law, and it should be evident to everyone here that you're not exactly an impartial voice in this discussion.

Good luck with your business in the future...

[bte]

Is it piracy if someone posts their username and password on the web for a model pay site? I recall seeing a member post his username/password for Marianna Cordoba site. So I wonder if that is illegal. I mean the guy paid for his membership, but still let other people use his username/password.

[GroobySteven]

Is it piracy if someone posts their username and password on the web for a model pay site? I recall seeing a member post his username/password for Marianna Cordoba site. I ain't gonna lie, I used that username/password and I wasn't impressed with her site.

No that's not piracy. You'd be hard pressed to be able to do anything legal there apart from (due to the member contract) of banning them from the site.

[GroobySteven]

It's amazing how much nicer you are when you're trying to sell one of your websites!

I can't be arsed to educate you on the nuance of copyright law, and it should be evident to everyone here that you're not exactly an impartial voice in this discussion.

Good luck with your business in the future...


What has nice got to do with it? I'm making my point and I KNOW the nuances of copyright (it's not law, you'd like it to be) that people use to get around the moral fact of theft.

Business is going great and all projections show it will continue - so thanks for that.

[loveboof]

What has nice got to do with it? I'm making my point and I KNOW the nuances of copyright (it's not law, you'd like it to be) that people use to get around the moral fact of theft.

Business is going great and all projections show it will continue - so thanks for that.
It certainly is law where I live (UK) - the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act.

'Nice' is just a common courtesy which I believe tells you a lot about a person. It is not simply a sales tactic or a superficial face value.

[betts]

Brewster, you're so cooooool.
:loser:

Hahaha. nice. Especially with the remake coming out.
Why did they have to make it, the original was fine.

[bte]

Hahaha. nice. Especially with the remake coming out.
Why did they have to make it, the original was fine.

Cause Hollywood is out of original ideas.

[GroobySteven]

Hahaha. nice. Especially with the remake coming out.
Why did they have to make it, the original was fine.

See that Brewster has been in Justified recently.
And did you know Evil Ed became a gay porn star also appearing in tgirl movies in the late 90's?

[GroobySteven]

It certainly is law where I live (UK) - the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act.

'Nice' is just a common courtesy which I believe tells you a lot about a person. It is not simply a sales tactic or a superficial face value.

In the country which I also live, the UK, if you steal my content and post it - and I'm able to find you (and you've anything worth taking), we're going to take legal action against you - you can discuss the nuances of theft then.

[loveboof]

In the country which I also live, the UK, if you steal my content and post it - and I'm able to find you (and you've anything worth taking), we're going to take legal action against you - you can discuss the nuances of theft then.
I have happily and quite guilt-free watched a few clips on tube sites (and will again), but why you have the impression I am personally responsible for stealing material and posting it anywhere is beyond me.

I said before that there's no point explaining to you why you could not successfully pursue legal action against people like me.

I am not opposed to paying for porn, I am simply saying that it is not as straight forward as what you and other porn industry people here are suggesting. You have a right to be angry if you are losing money, but you should direct that anger to the correct people.

(edit: I see you have nothing to say about being 'nice'. I usually try to stay respectful on here and in real life - I don't expect the same from everyone else, but I can't help thinking less of anyone who can't even uphold simple courtesies)

[robertlouis]

Yes I mean look at how dropping CD and DVD prices have helped HMV... that is a great example :) Look how the masses flocked now more affordable.. ahem.

30 dollars is what £18. That is really to much to spare once every 6 or 12 months to download all content on a site..? really ?!

That is what 5 pints in town on a weekend nowadays?

Or do you mean you want yo be a constant member at a lower fee - if so whats in your mind acceptable? Just curious. Ta x



Spot on Sammi.

I'm a pro musician. I record, market and sell my product at gigs, via the web etc, and I get by. But I am sick to death of being ripped off by websites, radio stations, commercial record companies and even other artists who record my songs without so much as a by your leave and then get arsy when I ask them for royalties.

Yes, we're in a major shift concerning payment for content, and overall, when it all settles down I think it will broadly be positive, but until that happens, please think about the provider caught in the middle, whether the project is porn, music, whatever. We're the ones who suffer.

[tvkim]

In the country which I also live, the UK, if you steal my content and post it - and I'm able to find you (and you've anything worth taking), we're going to take legal action against you - you can discuss the nuances of theft then.

What if the poster uses an obscure proxy server or even a mobile unregistered Dongle to post content?

It's so easy to buy a mobile dongle for cash, then pay to top it up by using vouchers paid for again by cash at any fuel station.

They can also use it on an unregistered laptop.

As far as I can see there is no way that can be traced.

[GroobySteven]

What if the poster uses an obscure proxy server or even a mobile unregistered Dongle to post content?

It's so easy to buy a mobile dongle for cash, then pay to top it up by using vouchers paid for again by cash at any fuel station.

They can also use it on an unregistered laptop.

As far as I can see there is no way that can be traced.

There are many ways to trace it (and plenty to get around it) which I can't get into here.

[GroobySteven]

I have happily and quite guilt-free watched a few clips on tube sites (and will again), but why you have the impression I am personally responsible for stealing material and posting it anywhere is beyond me.

I said before that there's no point explaining to you why you could not successfully pursue legal action against people like me.

I am not opposed to paying for porn, I am simply saying that it is not as straight forward as what you and other porn industry people here are suggesting. You have a right to be angry if you are losing money, but you should direct that anger to the correct people.

(edit: I see you have nothing to say about being 'nice'. I usually try to stay respectful on here and in real life - I don't expect the same from everyone else, but I can't help thinking less of anyone who can't even uphold simple courtesies)

I don't think I said anything that was personally directed towards you or singled you out? I think anyone on the internet has watched tube clips at some point?
I'm also not directing "anger" towards anyone specific. We spend time tracking/tracing uploaders/downloaders and it's not people who are watching tubesites that concerns us. However, if you have downloaded our content from a torrent or file locker site, then you may potentially have legal action taken against you.

If we find someone who uploads that content, then the litigation process is much easier.

[woodywoodsac]

What if the poster uses an obscure proxy server or even a mobile unregistered Dongle to post content?

It's so easy to buy a mobile dongle for cash, then pay to top it up by using vouchers paid for again by cash at any fuel station.

They can also use it on an unregistered laptop.

As far as I can see there is no way that can be traced.


I am afraid to say that Kim is quite correct on this one.

I work for a mobile phone company and I know for a fact that if an unregistered MAC or PC with a clean hard disc and a brand new "clean" Mobile dongle is used, it is catagorically IMPOSSIBLE to trace who is using it.

Both items need to be paid for with cash, ie: no ID produced when purchased.

Of course the ISP can be traced to a rough area where it is being used but that is all.

As long as the MAC or PC being used has no accounts with names and addresses set up on it any reverse traces will yield nothing.

If you think about this is makes perfect sense really. Oh.... you need to be using the computer on an external power source too ie: not plugged into the mains supply.

We have seen it done and have worked with the authorites on this one so I know what I am talking about

Until retailers stop selling mobile dongles to anyone without ID, who come in off the street with cash its a problem here to stay.

[the_corner]

Well, but if the connection is coming from some obscure proxy server, that should immediately flag the account for revising his activity.

Normal users don't need to hide under obscure proxies... any webmaster worth their salt would store IP addresses and match them to usernames/passwords, etc.

Sometimes you can't just trace the guy and sue him, but you can certainly prevent the situation and try to minimize the impact that it might have on your website....

[AmyDaly]

lol proxies? You aren't as anon under a proxy as you think. Most proxy owners will give up your info in a second if they are handed legal work. The only good proxies are the ones that don't keep logs and are encrypted. Usually you have to pay for them and know how to somewhat use a computer to set it up...which is not most people. Even then, they will not protect you from fraud.

[GroobySteven]

The average shemale porn uploader, even though they are doing it to make a profit - aren't exactly going to go to these extremes.

[TSLoverIB]

i second that dgs925

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Ain't no such thing as FREE PORN!!! Or, FREE ANYTHING!!!

[tvkim]

Ain't no such thing as FREE PORN!!! Or, FREE ANYTHING!!!

Well if you read my Adultwork profile Corvettedude you will see that I am free of charge when it comes to having sex.

http://www.adultwork.com/ViewProfile.asp?UserID=804927

Yes you have to pay to see my webcam (but the previews are free) and there is a tiny charge to download some of my explict pics on that website

But I would NEVER EVER think about charging for sexual fun. I believe that sex is a natural thing to share and not to sell.

I aint prostitute!

Oh..... can you guess what Im going to do with all those candles?

[Teydyn]

Well, but if the connection is coming from some obscure proxy server, that should immediately flag the account for revising his activity.
And how do you know its an "obscure proxy"? They dont sent that information along...
And for 99% of all paysites its very easy to gain illegal access.

Then there are prepaid creditcards you can buy without identification or you use false ID. Stolen card information...


lol proxies? You aren't as anon under a proxy as you think. Most proxy owners will give up your info in a second if they are handed legal work.
Which is why you use proxies outside of the usa & co. There they dont care about american legal work.

Might be a bit work, but its impossible to get you...

[LittleGuy]

I've never seen any Kimber films anyway