Turning my back on American made shemale porn

[Swag.]

I can no longer find high quality free videos of popular sites I wont name. I do not care who lashes out at me, but I do not understand why mainstream porn does not sit in front of free sites lurking for their content, no they make deals to profit off the situation. I understand it is a shitty place to be for the companies and the girls , but it's the internet now. I am so frustrated of seeing "this video has been deleted" that I refuse to get a membership. As for bangbros, I actually do have a membership and not because they go crazy blocking content, and for that I actually want to give them my business. Another thing with shemale porn is that they need to package together multiple sites. I love shemales a tad more than gg's but gg's and brazillian trannies are the only ones who will be getting my dollars for porn. And it's bad for the girls image, the new tranny chaser will go to a free site and the beautiful american girls won't be as popular as they could be because of this, and image is big because not to be rude but most escort as well. I heard Celeste one time say it's not about fame or money you do tgirl porn it's for marketing

[Jericho]

Whut?
The paragraph is your friend! :shrug

[AmyDaly]

Cry more. I love drinking cheapskate tears. I love hearing this stuff. I was just talking to seanchai today about how great this new company he has been using to remove grooby content and how quick they are. Thanks for letting us know its working!

And We both know that you will watch whatever free porn comes your way, so nice pointless thread. I wonder what would happen to your job if your company couldn't sell its product any more because everyone was taking the product for free. You would be out of a job. That's what would happen. You want free samples? Check out free hosted galleries. That is not stealing. Every company has them.

[theone1982]

:)
YouTube - ‪George Michael - Careless Whisper‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ)

[GroobySteven]

Bwwwwaaaaahahahahaha ... cry baby.
You can't find FREE content of sites you like, so your going to turn your back on US porn.
Fuck off.
Hilarious.

[Swag.]

I knew the lash out was coming, who cares.
Just answer me this: Why don't you package sites and why doesn't mainstream porn compulsively stress over tube sites like you?
The point that I'm making for the girls is they could make a lot more off the free marketing of a tube site then the little they get paid to make the scene.

[Swag.]

Also I am not "Cheap" ,lol, people get so defensive. Even with tube sites, I gladly give bangbros the $130 a year, and would gladly pay the same for actual "high quality" tgirl porn, not the cheesy product I'm being fed by the corny people who produce it. The only people who are truly hurt by piracy are the site owners not the girls in the long run, the girls are severely exploited in this industry.

[GroobySteven]

I knew the lash out was coming, who cares.
Just answer me this:
Why don't you package sites and why doesn't mainstream porn compulsively stress over tube sites like you?
You obviously care because you are making this post.
Why don't I package sites? I don't need to. We run boutique sites aimed at different markets and as such invest a higher percentage of the budget into each sub-niche. It's worked for 15 yrs and it's still working.
We do have some form of packages here: http://www.grooby.com/paybymail.html and will be working on a some other discounts but a one-price for all sites is unsustainable (too expensive to offer).

Compulsively stress? Where do you get that from? We DMCA (remove) links from all places we can find it, and as you mentioned, it's became harder to find lots of content than it was a while back. It's easier for us to do it becauase there are less places and it's more important for us to do it then the mainstream sites (many of which are failing) because we offer something unique which most sites don't have. If you want to see it, then join the site - we offer larger tours.



The point that I'm making for the girls is they could make a lot more off the free marketing of a tube site then the little they get paid to make the scene.

You are making no point, just a stupid, ill-informed statement and a whine because you can't find the free porn as much. How in any way, could a model benefit from her scenes being on a tube site?

[SammiValentine]

I knew the lash out was coming, who cares.
Just answer me this: Why don't you package sites and why doesn't mainstream porn compulsively stress over tube sites like you?
The point that I'm making for the girls is they could make a lot more off the free marketing of a tube site then the little they get paid to make the scene.

lol free marketing. Please explain how this works in your world - I would love to know, but i suspect several flaws in your theory.

[GroobySteven]

Also I am not "Cheap" ,lol, people get so defensive. Even with tube sites, I gladly give bangbros the $130 a year, and would gladly pay the same for actual "high quality" tgirl porn, not the cheesy product I'm being fed by the corny people who produce it. The only people who are truly hurt by piracy are the site owners not the girls in the long run, the girls are severely exploited in this industry.

So you are happy to pay the $130 to Bangbros to exploit the girls but not to tgirl sites who also exploit the girls (according to you?).

Your logic is all messed up.

If the sites have less budget then less new productions/scenes will be made and less work offered to the models.

[GroobySteven]

i suspect several flaws in your theory.

Is "several flaws" code for "smoking crack" ?

[SisterDickRadio]

This is so fucking crazy! If I found my work all over free tube sites when my site launches this yr I'll work hard getting it down! I personally will lose money, why pay when it's free? How does that help solo girl sites? More exposure you say? If a guy gets free porn then he's too cheap to afford my escort service! So your point is flawed! And how are companies exploited girls when they ask to do it!? This coming from a girl who escorts and produces her own site!

[hunkystudcal]

What a loser! Either get your wallet out or shut up!!

[Anubis1779]

You want packaged sites, try the T-Girl Network sites. You get access to 7 or 8 sites.

[LibertyHarkness]

troll post

[joeninety]

I love shemales a tad more than gg's

I love the irony of your statement, because if thats the case how come you can give your 130 hard earned $'s to your lesser preference but struggle to donate something to your actual preference?????

End of the day people have got to eat and its right that the girls take down the unauthorized stuff, you should get your priorities straight and donate to your true love, stop with your smoke and mirrors statement and keep it real as to what your true agenda (gripe) is, cos nothing you have said tallies up.

[loren]

The point that I'm making for the girls is they could make a lot more off the free marketing of a tube site then the little they get paid to make the scene.
Hey:loser:, does this logic carry over into other occupations. I guess that I could be making a lot more money if my boss didn't pay me.:shrug

I am not "Cheap" I gladly give bangbros the $130 a year, and would gladly pay the same for actual "high quality" tgirl porn,Wow!!! A whole $130 a year:claps. You should be soo proud of yourself, I mean that's quite a sacrifice to pay 10.83 dollars a month.

While you're whining about not getting your free porn, I just wanted to leave you with one final thought: I think the title of a thread started by theone1982 says it all; you can go fuck yourself.:fu::fu:

[Swag.]

Well first of all $130 does not break down to $13 a month and that is actually a lot when in reality with all the free sites, there is no need to spend a cent.
What does a girl lose who does not have her own site by having her single scene posted on a tube site??? Nothing!

I don't know what you do for a living but think of a band who has a bad contract with a record company and their music is being leaked online, the only person losing in the end is the label, more people can now hear the music and be more inclined to go to shows and buy merchandise and actually buy future content... same situation.

[Swag.]

Correct me if I'm wrong but a tgirl gets paid on the spot one time to do a scene, she's not making commission off every new member, lol. So instead of just the people on the site viewing the scene, liking the girl, googling her, she has infinitely more men doing so on tube sites, thus free marketing. That's where the real money is made escorting, and this is free marketing for it, where is the flawed theory?? And men who look at free porn are not "cheap" rather smart, and there is no way of knowing if these men would not pay for the real thing. If only 5 more men call the girl/escort because of the tube site she should have no qualms about losing her scene, now girls who have their own site is a different story as they are obviously site owners as well.

[Mayrah]

Movies getting ripped from production company > Company loses money > less budget to spend for better locations > Cant afford better gear or team to set everything up > Model paychecks start shrinking > production company eventually is bankrupt.

^ Its not going like this, but it is a example for a bigger picture, and as you can see, the model eventually gets hit by ripping as much as the company do.

[Swag.]

Global warming will kill us before the end of porn.

[GroobySteven]

where is the flawed theory?? UAnd men who look at free porn are not "cheap" rather smart, and there is no way of knowing if these men would not pay for the real thing. If only 5 more men call the girl/escort because of the tube site she should have no qualms about losing her scene, now girls who have their own site is a different story as they are obviously site owners as well.

It's already been explained to you why it's flawed and stupud and you are assuming that all models are escorts. Less work means less money back at models. The majority of men watching and paying for porn do not visit escorts anyway.
Lot's of our models DO get a monthly percentage from scenes they've appeared in for us, so their income would be hurt by your theory.

Regardless, this isn't what your original post was about - which was a complaint about websites removing content from free porn sites and as you had the hump at them, you weren't going to join their sites ... boooo-hooo.

[SisterDickRadio]

Correct me if I'm wrong but a tgirl gets paid on the spot one time to do a scene, she's not making commission off every new member, lol. So instead of just the people on the site viewing the scene, liking the girl, googling her, she has infinitely more men doing so on tube sites, thus free marketing. That's where the real money is made escorting, and this is free marketing for it, where is the flawed theory?? And men who look at free porn are not "cheap" rather smart, and there is no way of knowing if these men would not pay for the real thing. If only 5 more men call the girl/escort because of the tube site she should have no qualms about losing her scene, now girls who have their own site is a different story as they are obviously site owners as well.

I totally think your flawed... like someone said if companies lose money then we as models lose money too because in end we get paid less up front for a scene. Girls can kinda make a commission if they are business savvy and smart. I am an affiliate, I post all my sets from sites on my sites and when someone joins that site to see my set I make money. So in a sense a girl can make some more money.


It's already been explained to you why it's flawed and stupud and you are assuming that all models are escorts. Less work means less money back at models. The majority of men watching and paying for porn do not visit escorts anyway.
Lot's of our models DO get a monthly percentage from scenes they've appeared in for us, so their income would be hurt by your theory.

Regardless, this isn't what your original post was about - which was a complaint about websites removing content from free porn sites and as you had the hump at them, you weren't going to join their sites ... boooo-hooo.

Well, in a way you are right but every guy I have met watches porn and buys it. A lot of my fans come to see me, so men paying for porn would pay to see the star too. BUT you are right NOT ALL GIRLS ARE ESCORTS! But I have met those same people who steal porn and they want to lower my rates and be cheap! So I think it goes hand in hand. Just saying!

[Swag.]

1. Most models do escort
2. Would love to know that % and what % of your models, haha
3. My original post included a celeste quote about porn as marketing for tgirls

I just hate you say you care about the girls, when in reality you care about your bottom line more than anything else, period.

Everybody else thanks for the fuck you's, trolls, and i'm stupid's, I'm sure my vocabulary and argument constitutes stupidity.

tgirls have like a 51/49 edge over gg's for porn purposes and 25/75 in real life leaning towards gg's in real life, so bangbros value and quality tips the scale joenintey

[Swag.]

the majority of girls are not as business smart as you michelle.

I don't understand how it's stealing by watching. If someone is selling a book in a bookstore and next door there giving it out for free, where are you going to obtain the book?

[Swag.]

btw you look awesome but look at the guy giving you head, that is what's wrong with tgirl porn

[GroobySteven]

btw you look awesome but look at the guy giving you head, that is what's wrong with tgirl porn


FAIL!!!
Hahahahaha.

[MrsKellyPierce]

yawn.....

[GroobySteven]

1. Most models do escort
2. Would love to know that % and what % of your models, haha
3. My original post included a celeste quote about porn as marketing for tgirls

I just hate you say you care about the girls, when in reality you care about your bottom line more than anything else, period.

Everybody else thanks for the fuck you's, trolls, and i'm stupid's, I'm sure my vocabulary and argument constitutes stupidity.

tgirls have like a 51/49 edge over gg's for porn purposes and 25/75 in real life leaning towards gg's in real life, so bangbros value and quality tips the scale joenintey


Hahaha, ok so now we're getting to the bottom of it (and my money is you've been on this forum before but I'm game, I'll engage you).
1. Where are your stats on this?
2. You can ask those models.
3. Irrelevant.

So as I said, we're getting to the crux. It isn't about pirated porn, it's about someone who you don't like already, removing their content free sites. It's about how you think the models are getting used and I care about my bottom line period. Of course I care about my bottom line, that goes to support 30+ males, females and transgenders who work as support for the company as webmasters, photographers, developers, etc. as well as provide budget for reshooting and new projects.

You can state all you want about how much, "you hate how I say I care about the girls" (not sure where you got that direct quote from) but you don't know me or my business and that fact is, that it works, and models work with us and continue to work with us because we're fair, upfront and provide ongoing work.

Def. troll.

[Helvis2012]

Cry more. I love drinking cheapskate tears. I love hearing this stuff. I was just talking to seanchai today about how great this new company he has been using to remove grooby content and how quick they are. Thanks for letting us know its working!

And We both know that you will watch whatever free porn comes your way, so nice pointless thread. I wonder what would happen to your job if your company couldn't sell its product any more because everyone was taking the product for free. You would be out of a job. That's what would happen. You want free samples? Check out free hosted galleries. That is not stealing. Every company has them.

I agree with you, Amy. I've lost a lot of revenue because assholes steal my videos and post them all over the internet. And it's a big pain in the ass tracking them down. Stealing is stealing. I don't know why that's so hard for some to understand; they think a internet connection gives them license to rip off others. Bullshit.

[SisterDickRadio]

btw you look awesome but look at the guy giving you head, that is what's wrong with tgirl porn

Nothing wrong with him giving me head... In real life if you dont give me head I dont give you head! IT is a TWO WAY Street. See all you creedy bastards complain about everything. You would put your mouth on a pussy and suck and lick it but you wont please a ts cock? Oh cuz that makes you gay? What some crock of shit!!!

[lisaparadise]

damn i have like 300 free vid sites on my fav.bar your internet skills must be limited at best lol

[TSPornFan]

I agree and disagree with the OP. I think the quality of transsexual porn has greatly improved in the last two years. Plus there is a lot more new Americans being shot in transsexual porn. SMC is mostly shooting American girls.

Transsexual porn is not cheesy. There is something for everyone from solo to hardcore to role play to BDSM.

There are too many girls with piss poor solo sites. Most of the solo sites that are NOT run by SMC and Grooby are awful. Joanna Jet and Liberty have the only good quality solo sites not run by SMC nor Grooby. Most solo sites have awful quality videos. Bailey Jay has the only bad quality site run by SMC.

I agree about the package deal. I pay Brazzers 30 bucks every 3 months and I will get 20 sites with over 16 updates A WEEK. This is what straight porn is doing something right.

I've heard that transsexual porn makes the most money. Why don't they do this?

[BellaBellucci]

This isn't about models' fees. This is about US companies' bottom lines and the personal wealth of the owners. It's about greed. Period. Someday people will learn how to use pirating as marketing tool. Whether or not tube sites are charging people for the content, they're only making it available for viewing, and the business model should be adjusted to account for that. The truth is that most people who can pay for porn, and that find it worth the cost, will in fact pay for it (someone must be or the industry would collapse). Furthermore, a better product (a better value) doesn't necessarily cost more to make, it only requires a little more effort and American TS porn is sloppy to say the least (although it's been getting better), so do the math.

When I was a child and had no income of my own I used to record songs off the radio and put them on mix tapes. Did anyone else ever do that? Here's a better question: did anyone here not do that? Spare me.

~BB~

[SammiValentine]

I agree and disagree with the OP. I think the quality of transsexual porn has greatly improved in the last two years. Plus there is a lot more new Americans being shot in transsexual porn. SMC is mostly shooting American girls.

Transsexual porn is not cheesy. There is something for everyone from solo to hardcore to role play to BDSM.

There are too many girls with piss poor solo sites. Most of the solo sites that are NOT run by SMC and Grooby are awful. Joanna Jet and Liberty have the only good quality solo sites not run by SMC nor Grooby. Most solo sites have awful quality videos. Bailey Jay has the only bad quality site run by SMC.

I agree about the package deal. I pay Brazzers 30 bucks every 3 months and I will get 20 sites with over 16 updates A WEEK. This is what straight porn is doing something right.

I've heard that transsexual porn makes the most money. Why don't they do this?

My site gets reviewed just fine - thanks .. :)

[TSPornFan]

My site gets reviewed just fine - thanks .. :)

Last year I joined your site for a month. In my opinion the video quality is below average.

[SammiValentine]

Last year I joined your site for a month. In my opinion the video quality is below average.

Always improving hence the reviews that state the same :) Its now below average? Not awful? :) Main complaint my old videos had was to loud music on older content. Been shooting from 2006 from total newbie quality to getting to a good standard now with the right equipment. Possible my encoding is not the greates but re encoding all scenes for site relaunch.

Your entitled to your opinion but it is not one that I am frequently encountering in current times :)

[GroobySteven]

This isn't about models' fees. This is about US companies' bottom lines and the personal wealth of the owners. It's about greed. Period. Someday people will learn how to use pirating as marketing tool. Tube sites aren't charging people for the content, they're only making it available for viewing, and the business model should be adjusted to account for that. The truth is that most people who can pay for porn, and that find it worth the cost, will in fact pay for it (someone must be or the industry would collapse). Furthermore, a better product (a better value) doesn't necessarily cost more to make, it only requires a little more effort and American TS porn is sloppy to say the least (although it's been getting better), so do the math.



Don't talk like you know the industry when you know nothing about it, the costs involved or the profits and everything by you, as usual, is assumed. Until you actually work in the industry, your insight is like you, worthless.

Tube sites are charging, YOU are the product by visiting there but this is off topic.

[loren]

Well first of all $130 does not break down to $13 a month and that is actually a lot when in reality with all the free sites, there is no need to spend a cent.
What does a girl lose who does not have her own site by having her single scene posted on a tube site??? Nothing!

I don't know what you do for a living but think of a band who has a bad contract with a record company and their music is being leaked online, the only person losing in the end is the label, more people can now hear the music and be more inclined to go to shows and buy merchandise and actually buy future content... same situation.I'm sorry, I had a blonde moment. Your $130 actually breaks down to $10.84 (rounded up) a month. If you've got the same package that Franklin mentioned, that means that you pay $1.09 (rounded up) per site.

Your music example shows your ignorance of that industry as well. The record label pays the band to make a record. However a large percentage (differs from company to company) of this has to be paid back to the label through sales, tours, apperances, and so forth. If the band doesn't isn't selling as much, because people are downloading their music from a piracy website or outright stealing CDs from the store, the record label is going to be hesitant about working with them again.

According to your logic, why should we pay to watch movies at the theatres? After all, the film stars already have their money. So the only people that would be hurt by low ticket sells would be the studios.

[BellaBellucci]

Don't talk like you know the industry when you know nothing about it, the costs involved or the profits and everything by you, as usual, is assumed. Until you actually work in the industry, your insight is like you, worthless.

Tube sites are charging, YOU are the product by visiting there but this is off topic.

Leave it to you to be the first one offended. I'm done fighting with you. You're wrong and you're not worth it. Fuck off, you fat, greedy bastard. :dancing:

~BB~

[TSPornFan]

I'm sorry, I had a blonde moment. Your $130 actually breaks down to $10.84 (rounded up) a month. If you've got the same package that Franklin mentioned, that means that you pay $1.09 (rounded up) per site.

Your music example shows your ignorance of that industry as well. The record label pays the band to make a record. However a large percentage (differs from company to company) of this has to be paid back to the label through sales, tours, apperances, and so forth. If the band doesn't isn't selling as much, because people are downloading their music from a piracy website or outright stealing CDs from the store, the record label is going to be hesitant about working with them again.

According to your logic, why should we pay to watch movies at the theatres? After all, the film stars already have their money. So the only people that would be hurt by low ticket sells would be the studios.

Straight porn has many piracy issues. The major straight porn company Brazzers owns tube sites. Brazzers is getting sued. It is likely that more law suits are coming. Brazzers has used tube sites to hurt the competition and boost their own product.

Seanchi, has Brazzers posted Grooby videos on their tube sites?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=131481503

http://takedownpiracy.com/2010/01/connecting-the-dots-brazzers-and-tube-sites/

[GroobySteven]

Straight porn has many piracy issues. The major straight porn company Brazzers owns tube sites. Brazzers is getting sued. It is likely that more law suits are coming. Brazzers has used tube sites to hurt the competition and boost their own product.

Seanchi, has Brazzers posted Grooby videos on their tube sites?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=131481503

http://takedownpiracy.com/2010/01/connecting-the-dots-brazzers-and-tube-sites/

Yes they have. They are now in the process of "legalizing" their tube sites showing only licensed content.

[GroobySteven]

Fuck off, you fat, greedy bastard. :dancing:

~BB~


Bwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaahahaha.
Great words from the failure that is BB!!!

[BellaBellucci]

Straight porn has many piracy issues. The major straight porn company Brazzers owns tube sites. Brazzers is getting sued. It is likely that more law suits are coming. Brazzers has used tube sites to hurt the competition and boost their own product.

Seanchi, has Brazzers posted Grooby videos on their tube sites?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=131481503

http://takedownpiracy.com/2010/01/connecting-the-dots-brazzers-and-tube-sites/

:iagree:

See? If tube sites are charging, then the problem isn't even piracy (end user theft), it's industrial espionage, so let's not blame the (paying?) tube site viewers for 'destroying the industry', blame the industry for not stopping this sooner or finding a way to adapt to the changing market. Blaming the fans does nothing but producers continue to do it anyway.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Bwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaahahaha.
Great words from the failure that is BB!!!

I call 'em how I see 'em. I don't have the desire to make it any more complicated than it is. :D

~BB~

[TSPornFan]

Straight porn has many piracy issues. The major straight porn company Brazzers owns tube sites. Brazzers is getting sued. It is likely that more law suits are coming. Brazzers has used tube sites to hurt the competition and boost their own product.

Seanchi, has Brazzers posted Grooby videos on their tube sites?

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=131481503

http://takedownpiracy.com/2010/01/connecting-the-dots-brazzers-and-tube-sites/


Yes they have. They are now in the process of "legalizing" their tube sites showing only licensed content.

I always had the feeling that Brazzers is trying to monopolize porn. They have over 100,000 members because of their very high quality product, BUT they are hurting the competition to boost their product even further. They recent have brought Wicked and Twisitys. There were rumors that they were going to buy Naughty America.

Do you think there is a chance that Brazzers will start a transsexual porn site? They always tell their members no, but Brazzers is money hungry like any other business. Have you ever heard rumors about this from them and other top straight sites?

[GroobySteven]

I always had the feeling that Brazzers is trying to monopolize porn. They have over 100,000 members because of their very high quality product, BUT they are hurting the competition to boost their product even further. They recent have brought Wicked and Twisitys. There were rumors that they were going to buy Naughty America.

Do you think there is a chance that Brazzers will start a transsexual porn site? They always tell their members no, but Brazzers is money hungry like any other business. Have you ever heard rumors about this from them and other top straight sites?

They bought Twistys for the tube sites that were attached.

Tube site traffic is notoriously bad (trying to convert a tube site viewer into a paying member is hard). Where a good blog can covert our sites in about 1:300 (for every 300 people who click through on a banner or link, 1 joins) or a review site or a great blog can be 1:100-200, a tube site is typically 1:3000-10,000.
The reason tube sites operate and monetize is by using the stolen content as their "tour" they can then try and upsell to a premium area (which usually uses licensed content) but often, these are ran by companies which will "bang" your card over multiple companies and charges (Trannypay style).
The other way they monetize is by selling that traffic. They sell it to companies who need SEO via links or simply are willing to pay for low quality traffic as their conversion rate isn't as relevant as getting a hold card details and making $200-$300 off a sale.

[payload4]

I think American TS porn is better produced and fills in more niches then foreign porn...The American TS porn scene caters to us perverted types who are into foot fetishes, cream-pies, and other categories that fall out of the mainstream ts porn in foreign porn which is why I prefer and would be willing to buy American made TS porn.

[TSPornFan]

I think American TS porn is better produced and fills in more niches then foreign porn...The American TS porn scene caters to us perverted types who are into foot fetishes, cream-pies, and other categories that fall out of the mainstream ts porn in foreign porn which is why I prefer and would be willing to buy American made TS porn.

What are you watching? The only American site that caters that is TS Seduction. Grooby, SMC, Strokers, and Devil's Films rarely if never do that stuff. There are more turn off foot fetish and cream-pies in foreign TS porn.

[Swag.]

Michelle I'm talking about his odd appearance, nothing wrong with giving a girl head, lol.

[Nivek]

cry more. I love drinking cheapskate tears. I love hearing this stuff. I was just talking to seanchai today about how great this new company he has been using to remove grooby content and how quick they are. Thanks for letting us know its working!

And we both know that you will watch whatever free porn comes your way, so nice pointless thread. I wonder what would happen to your job if your company couldn't sell its product any more because everyone was taking the product for free. You would be out of a job. That's what would happen. You want free samples? Check out free hosted galleries. That is not stealing. Every company has them.

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