Usama bin Laden is dead

[bte]

Foxnews reported it. Apparently died last week and his body is in US custody.

[Jericho]

Foxnews reported it. Apparently died last week and his body is in US custody.

Bet he escapes! :whistle:

[Jackal]

Ladies and gentlemen,

We got'im!

[envivision]

Who got fired on Celebrity Apprentice?

[Quiet Reflections]

Who got fired on Celebrity Apprentice?
Latoya Jackson........smartass

[ELSAPO]

I thought it was Osama?? not Usama?? jk. fuck yeah!!! we got him!!

[Paulistano]

Ladies and gentlemen,

We got'im!

It's true!

HE IS DEAD!!!!


(I like your avatar, Jackal!!!)

[Quiet Reflections]

I really interested to hear any sound clips from Bush about it

[bte]

Apparently bin Laden was killed living in a manison in Pakistan, according to CNN via the AP.

Pakistan, you got sum explaining to do.

[Quiet Reflections]

Im also interested to see how the Potus is going to us this to his advantage in terms of his reelection campaign. If he had Carl Rove he would be unstoppable now

[bte]

bin Laden being dead will do wonders for Obama re-election. His major selling point will be that it was under his watch that bin Laden was killed. Not Clinton and not Bush, but Obama.

[nevada64]

I thought it was Osama?? not Usama?? jk. fuck yeah!!! we got him!!

That's how Fox "News" spells it. :screwy

[bte]

That's how Fox "News" spells it. :screwy

Don't know man, I seen it both ways.

[kittyKaiti]

WOOT WOOT, time for a party! :party: :party: :party: :party: :banana:

[JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel]

Finally!!!!!!!!!!!

[Teydyn]

No one here fears the repercussions that WILL follow?

Osama being dead could be worse then him being alive...

[robertlouis]

If it's true, it changes nothing.

OBL was a figurehead. Al Qaeda doesn't conform to any recognisable ethos or organisational structure. It will carry on pretty much as before on a fragmented cell basis.

[Quiet Reflections]

bin Laden being dead will do wonders for Obama re-election. His major selling point will be that it was under his watch that bin Laden was killed. Not Clinton and not Bush, but Obama.
Not just that but now he gets to say" we are going to win the future by starting to bring home some of the soldiers in Afghanistan".

[Quiet Reflections]

No one here fears the repercussions that WILL follow?

Osama being dead could be worse then him being alive...
Why live in fear? Nothings worse than dying a coward or a quitter

[envivision]

bin Laden being dead will do wonders for Obama re-election. His major selling point will be that it was under his watch that bin Laden was killed. Not Clinton and not Bush, but Obama.

I am afraid that Obama would go in history as the president who lost Egypt.
Just like Carter is the president who lost Iran.

And what the hell happened on Celebrity Apprentice ????

[BBaggins06]

No one here fears the repercussions that WILL follow?

Osama being dead could be worse then him being alive...

We'll see. But I think there would repercussions even if were taken prisoner. Our enemies use any excuse for their delusions.

[EyeCumInPiece]

Fuck YOU BIN LADEN!! ROT IN PIECES !!

[bte]

Not just that but now he gets to say" we are going to win the future by starting to bring home some of the soldiers in Afghanistan".

Good point.

[BBaggins06]

If it's true, it changes nothing.

OBL was a figurehead. Al Qaeda doesn't conform to any recognisable ethos or organisational structure. It will carry on pretty much as before on a fragmented cell basis.

I wouldn't go that far. He still bankrolled many cells personally and was a key early facilitator. It's a win but the war is far from over.

[TJ347]

Seems to me that bin Laden's death only means that now we no longer know who al Queda is taking orders from, if he was ever their recognized "leader", which is in serious doubt. Don't see how this makes us any safer, but if anyone else sees it differently then I hope you sleep soundly tonight.

[Paulistano]

I’m afraid Al-Qaeda makes Brazil her target now…

[Quiet Reflections]

I heard they moved his body to TRUMP towers Jalalabad

[hippifried]

Ding Dong the witch is dead!
Which old witch?
The wicked witch...

Party time? Tonight, yeah.

[LAGent4ts]

Wonder if he has met any of those 72 Virgins yet...

[kittyKaiti]

I’m afraid Al-Qaeda makes Brazil her target now…

Airline hijackings are suicide for a terrorist now. We all know what's going to happen. I can guarantee every mofo on the plane will jump their asses and behead them with airline sporks.

[robertlouis]

Seems to me that bin Laden's death only means that now we no longer know who al Queda is taking orders from, if he was ever their recognized "leader", which is in serious doubt. Don't see how this makes us any safer, but if anyone else sees it differently then I hope you sleep soundly tonight.

:iagree: This was never "war" in the conventional sense anyway, the fundamental strategic error which Bush and Blair made and has since led to the disastrous campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan. Whatever you may think of Al Qaeda, their approach is minimalist and surgical, which is the only way to combat them in return, not by sending regiments.

[PomonaCA]

We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.

[trish]

Don't see how this makes us any safer, but if anyone else sees it differently then I hope you sleep soundly tonight. Who doesn't sleep because they're worried about al Queda? Oh that's right Tea-Baggers. You fuckers have been yearning for Bin Laden's ass for nine years, and now that a democratic president has delivered it you're all, "I don't see how this makes us any safer." LOL

DING DONG
THE WITCH IS DEAD...

[robertlouis]

Who doesn't sleep because they're worried about al Queda? Oh that's right Tea-Baggers. You fuckers have been yearning for Bin Laden's ass for nine years, and now that a democratic president has delivered it you're all, "I don't see how this makes us any safer." LOL

DING DONG
THE WITCH IS DEAD...

I'm about as far from the tea party as you are Trish, but it's true nevertheless.

Al Qaeda or something very similar to it is going to be around forever, unless there's a fundamental rebalancing of the relationship between Islam and the west on every level, political, economic social. That isn't going to happen, so we may as well get used to accepting the fact.

It's the pre-emptive and now visibly futile triumphalism of the warmongers like Bush and Blair that sticks in my craw. What the fuck did they think they had achieved back in 2003?

[envivision]

FOX NEWS:

"They interrupt the celebrity apprentice 10 minutes before it ends and Obama doesn’t make any remarks until 20 minutes after the show would have ended . He bashed Trump last night and then he interrupts his show".

[Brandi Boots]

Trish.....I have to say that you are so off base to claim some kind of connection....u, suck. I dont care if you are a lib/dem/cons/rep/ indiv......u still suck!

[trish]

Of course I do. :)

[TJ347]

Trish.....I have to say that you are so off base to claim some kind of connection....u, suck. I dont care if you are a lib/dem/cons/rep/ indiv......u still suck!

Trish simply can't "turn it off". No one's political leanings are relevant at this hour from where I sit, nor is whether bin Laden was killed under a Democratic or Republican president. I don't personally feel any safer, but that doesn't mean I'm any less happy than the most liberal liberal that bin Laden's dead. Save the political posturing for another thread and be glad that the mastermind of 9/11 is dead why don't you?

[Dino Velvet]

Every day is a great day to be an American but today is just a little sweeter.

Now bury Bin Laden in 20 feet of pig shit. He deserves no better.

[trish]

Oh I am, I'm just sorry you don't feel safer.

[bulldog]

Who gives a fuck? You really think he was pulling the strings anymore? FFS he was more like royalty in Britain, he was a figurehead, not the trigger puller like he used to be, too old and sick to do it anymore. I really aint gonna give it another thought, because that is more press he doesnt need. Let it lie, worry more about whats in store for our boys and girls over the big pond



I dont give a shit about my safety, someone comes into my house uninvited and they get their arteries cut and neck broken. Simple. My dad prefers the two in the chest one in the head method, but I think a more personal touch to show you care can sometimes go a long way in preventing further incidents

[TJ347]

Why should I feel any safer? Was he the sole member of al Qaeda?

[robertlouis]

Why should I feel any safer? Was he the sole member of al Qaeda?

Thank you. Let's just hope that we're not awash with political cock-waving and dumb rejoicing.

When the medics are fighting cancer they don't have a party every time they kill a cancerous cell.

[Willie Escalade]

:dancing::party::wiggle:

[Dino Velvet]

:dancing::party::wiggle:

That's a funny pic. Heck, on a day like this, I'll even give Barack Obama a hug.

[kittyKaiti]

FOX NEWS:

"They interrupt the celebrity apprentice 10 minutes before it ends and Obama doesn’t make any remarks until 20 minutes after the show would have ended . He bashed Trump last night and then he interrupts his show".

That's what Trump gets for being a Republican racist fucktard for demanding proof of Obama's citizenship. I LOL'd.

[partlycloudy]

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[robertlouis]

That's what Trump gets for being a Republican racist fucktard for demanding proof of Obama's citizenship. I LOL'd.

Hey Kaiti, come off the damn fence and tell us what you really think! lol

[kittyKaiti]

Hey Kaiti, come off the damn fence and tell us what you really think! lol

What more is there to say? I hate Repubs. Black man becomes President and all they whine about since day one is proof of citizenship and claim he is Muslim. This is unheard of in U.S. Presidencies.

Back on subject: JOKES

1) BOOM HEADSHOT
2) Bin Laden just got a new body peircing: A 5.56mm steel bullet in the face.
3) I can’t wait for the video game to come out. "SOCOM 5: US Navy SEALs: Pakistan"
4) Let’s poke as much fun at his death as that bullet poked into his head.

:dancing: :party:

[robertlouis]

What more is there to say? I hate Repubs. Black man becomes President and all they whine about since day one is proof of citizenship and claim he is Muslim. This is unheard of in U.S. Presidencies.

Back on subject: JOKES

1) BOOM HEADSHOT
2) Bin Laden just got a new body peircing: A 5.56mm steel bullet in the face.
3) I can’t wait for the video game to come out. "SOCOM 5: US Navy SEALs: Pakistan"
4) Let’s poke as much fun at his death as that bullet poked into his head.

:dancing: :party:

I'm far enough away that I don't actively hate US republicans, but I do despise them for tying themselves in knots to come up with ways to undermine Obama without having to say they simply don't like having a black man as president.

Just to give you a giggle, Kaiti, I'm actually a uk republican, but before you get me in your sights, that just means that I'd rather live in a country that doesn't have a monarchy at the head!

[kittyKaiti]

I'm far enough away that I don't actively hate US republicans, but I do despise them for tying themselves in knots to come up with ways to undermine Obama without having to say they simply don't like having a black man as president.

Just to give you a giggle, Kaiti, I'm actually a uk republican, but before you get me in your sights, that just means that I'd rather live in a country that doesn't have a monarchy at the head!

I meant U.S. Repubs. I don't know much about UK political parties. I do agree, time to lose the Queen. Welcome to the 21st century.

[TJ347]

I'm a Republican and black, so I'll take two scoops of the "hate" please... And this despite the fact that I never gave a rat's ass about Obama's birth certificate. BTW, he's biracial, not black. You're right though in that we don't want him as president.

[robertlouis]

I'm a Republican and black, so I'll take two scoops of the "hate" please... And this despite the fact that I never gave a rat's ass about Obama's birth certificate. BTW, he's biracial, not black. You're right though in that we don't want him as president.

That's an entirely reasonable position. Why should a republican want a Democratic President? And glad you're not a Birther either - those guys managed to make themselves look utterly ridiculous to everyone but themselves. Over here, we just shake our heads.

I can't help thinking that the general state of your country would only be improved by a return to some level of mutual courtesy in political discourse.

[TJ347]

You're 100% correct. However, as I've said before, when you have people who assume everyone who identifies with one party or the other takes the party position on every matter, mutual courtesy becomes impossible. Then again, this is America, where despite being born with a brain, you are rarely if ever required to us it. The UK is looking better all the time, my friend.

[nonnonnon]

I'm still trying to understand the racial connection to a birth certificate. If he has one (albeit taking 3 years to find it) then he's an african american. If he only has a newspaper clipping, he's african ____an?

[TJ347]

Can someone please explain to me how he is an African American? I've been trying to understand that for years. His mother was a white woman, his father was a black African... You know, I suppose that does make him an African American actually, but if that's the case then we need to find another name for everyone else currently called an African American. I'm just going to call myself a Black American from now on so that there's no confusion.

[Moogleman03]

As both a veteran of the US Army and someone who was in Manhattan on 9/11, I hope you'll forgive me if I do away with all the partisan rhetoric and feel a slight sense of closure now that Bin Laden is gone.
If nothing else maybe all the Americans that died that day and all the people around the world (Muslims included) that Al Qaeda murdered with Bin Laden in charge rest a little easier.

No it's not over... but it's better than nothing.

[natina]

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History Made: Fox News Credits Obama for Killing Osama Bin Laden


You know when Fox News is singing President Obama's praises something serious has gone right in America. I mean, everybody else on every single news channel was saying that Obama -- in concert with our heroic military troops who carried out a daring attack -- pulled off one of the gutsiest, bravest operations in years.
But Fox News?
They were actually saying the same thing.
I half expected Fox News to blame Obama for not killing Bin Laden twice. Or not killing him with the right weapon. But no, Fox News actually gave the president credit.
I know, scary stuff. The anti-Obama network used words like "historic" and a "very great success," which has my head spinning.
You know, maybe the Fox spinmeisters didn't show up to work on Sunday -- maybe they'll arrive at work on Monday morning and say, "Wait a second, we gave Obama an ounce of credit?! Who authorized that?"
Then, get this, at 1:38 a.m. they actually quoted NPR -- in a positive manner.
The world has been turned on its head.







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spoke to soon


In the rush to report the news of Osama Bin Laden's death (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead-president-obama-addresses-nation.html), a FOX News affiliate in Sacramento should have taken a moment to check its spelling.



Running along the bottom of FOX40's report on the event, the chyron read: "Reports: Obama Bin Laden Dead."



Apparently, some people issued complaints and accusations that it did it on purpose. After all, FOX News has some obvious conservative leanings in its coverage with Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly over at the mother ship.



FOX40 issued an apology (http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-osama-v-obama-one-letter-mistake-strikes-multiple-networks-and-tv-stations-20110501,0,5601804.story) (kind of), but not before they defended its mistake by pointing out how easily it could be made and that other news organizations made similar mistakes, including CNN and the Modesto Bee newspaper.



They even threw a fellow FOX affiliate in San Diego under the bus for its anchor actually saying "President Obama" instead of "Osama Bin Laden" was dead.




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[natina]

OBAMA KILLED OSAMA


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[TJ347]

How did I know?

[theone1982]

How did I know?

Lol!:Bowdown::Bowdown::Bowdown:

[theone1982]

Well, there goes the plot for Rocky 7: Rocky Balboa vs. Osama Bin Laden. Oh well, back to the bear idea.:)

[traLika]

Great news! :party::party::party:

But watch out for reprisals, people...

[Prospero]

I KNOW I'm spending too much time on this site when the first I hear of this news is via a posting here.

[FIRSTTIMER]

One very important motherfucker down.That is very satisfying.

[robertlouis]

History Made: Fox News Credits Obama for Killing Osama Bin Laden


You know when Fox News is singing President Obama's praises something serious has gone right in America. I mean, everybody else on every single news channel was saying that Obama -- in concert with our heroic military troops who carried out a daring attack -- pulled off one of the gutsiest, bravest operations in years.
But Fox News?
They were actually saying the same thing.
I half expected Fox News to blame Obama for not killing Bin Laden twice. Or not killing him with the right weapon. But no, Fox News actually gave the president credit.
I know, scary stuff. The anti-Obama network used words like "historic" and a "very great success," which has my head spinning.
You know, maybe the Fox spinmeisters didn't show up to work on Sunday -- maybe they'll arrive at work on Monday morning and say, "Wait a second, we gave Obama an ounce of credit?! Who authorized that?"
Then, get this, at 1:38 a.m. they actually quoted NPR -- in a positive manner.
The world has been turned on its head.







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1st April has simply been delayed, Natina. It's another conspiracy lol.

[sexualexplorer]

You got the fucker! Forget Obama for 5 minutes and celebrate the fact that you finally nailed the nasty, spiteful, evil c**t (to employ more moderate language than I would in private).

Now you should hang the bastard's corpse from a gibbet on Ground Zero until it rots.

[robertlouis]

I KNOW I'm spending too much time on this site when the first I hear of this news is via a posting here.

Yep, when I saw the thread title my first thought was, 'Oh yeah, another of Dino's polls." :)

[robertlouis]

You got the fucker! Forget Obama for 5 minutes and celebrate the fact that you finally nailed the nasty, spiteful, evil c**t (to employ more moderate language than I would in private).

Now you should hang the bastard's corpse from a gibbet on Ground Zero until it rots.

I lost one friend on 7/7 and another's daughter was maimed for life. Quiet satisfaction, but no thirst for further revenge, which is what I suspect their families will feel.

As I said right at the start of this thread, his passing won't fundamentally change anything. This isn't a conventional war by any means, and until our leaders grasp that fact and start acting accordingly, we are going to lose more and more innocent lives on both sides of the conflict in Afghanistan, just as we did previously in Iraq, and for no discernible effect or purpose.

[sexualexplorer]

Agreed, robertlouis, but one is only human and at least for a day let's not pretend that revenge isn't very sweet indeed.:)

By the way how does one manage to incorporate the quote from the post to which one is replying (i.e. like what you have just done)?

[robertlouis]

Agreed, robertlouis, but one is only human and at least for a day let's not pretend that revenge isn't very sweet indeed.:)

By the way how does one manage to incorporate the quote from the post to which one is replying (i.e. like what you have just done)?

Press the "quote" button at the right-hand bottom corner of the message and Robert will indeed be the brother of your father.... :dancing:

[tsbrenda]

Bin Laden shot in the head - US official


Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was killed with a bullet to the head in an fight that lasted less than 40 minutes, a US official says.
The operation was watched real-time by intelligence officials in a conference room at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, the official, who asked not to be identified, told Reuters.
It was reported that applause followed the news that the operation in north Pakistan earlier today was a success.
The US strike force was reportedly on the ground for under 40 minutes and that the attack took place at a mansion with security gates, high walls with barbed wire but that there was no internet running into the property.
September 11 mastermind bin Laden, who was said to have shown resistance during a gun battle, was shot in the head. The official also said that DNA testing of bin Laden had been undertaken.
Bin Laden's adult was believed to have also been killed.
President Barack Obama made the announcement of bin Laden's death this afternoon.
He said bin Laden, 54, was killed in Abbottabad, a town about two hours' drive north of Islamabad and that his body had been "taken into custody".
Obama said he authorised the operation last week and that it was undertaken today in cooperation with Pakistan.
"Justice has been done"


http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/bin-laden-shot-in-head-us-official-4150782

[robertlouis]

Bin Laden shot in the head - US official


Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden was killed with a bullet to the head in an fight that lasted less than 40 minutes, a US official says.
The operation was watched real-time by intelligence officials in a conference room at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, the official, who asked not to be identified, told Reuters.
It was reported that applause followed the news that the operation in north Pakistan earlier today was a success.
The US strike force was reportedly on the ground for under 40 minutes and that the attack took place at a mansion with security gates, high walls with barbed wire but that there was no internet running into the property.
September 11 mastermind bin Laden, who was said to have shown resistance during a gun battle, was shot in the head. The official also said that DNA testing of bin Laden had been undertaken.
Bin Laden's adult was believed to have also been killed.
President Barack Obama made the announcement of bin Laden's death this afternoon.
He said bin Laden, 54, was killed in Abbottabad, a town about two hours' drive north of Islamabad and that his body had been "taken into custody".
Obama said he authorised the operation last week and that it was undertaken today in cooperation with Pakistan.
"Justice has been done"


http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/bin-laden-shot-in-head-us-official-4150782

I'm assuming that Costellobad is the next town along? :)

[sexualexplorer]

Press the "quote" button at the right-hand bottom corner of the message and Robert will indeed be the brother of your father.... :dancing:
Let's see if this works...

Hoorah!

Cheers.

[natina]

History Made: Fox News Credits Obama for Killing Osama Bin Laden


You know when Fox News is singing President Obama's praises something serious has gone right in America. I mean, everybody else on every single news channel was saying that Obama -- in concert with our heroic military troops who carried out a daring attack -- pulled off one of the gutsiest, bravest operations in years.
But Fox News?
They were actually saying the same thing.
I half expected Fox News to blame Obama for not killing Bin Laden twice. Or not killing him with the right weapon. But no, Fox News actually gave the president credit.
I know, scary stuff. The anti-Obama network used words like "historic" and a "very great success," which has my head spinning.
You know, maybe the Fox spinmeisters didn't show up to work on Sunday -- maybe they'll arrive at work on Monday morning and say, "Wait a second, we gave Obama an ounce of credit?! Who authorized that?"
Then, get this, at 1:38 a.m. they actually quoted NPR -- in a positive manner.
The world has been turned on its head.







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spoke to soon


In the rush to report the news of Osama Bin Laden's death (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead-president-obama-addresses-nation.html), a FOX News affiliate in Sacramento should have taken a moment to check its spelling.



Running along the bottom of FOX40's report on the event, the chyron read: "Reports: Obama Bin Laden Dead."



Apparently, some people issued complaints and accusations that it did it on purpose. After all, FOX News has some obvious conservative leanings in its coverage with Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly over at the mother ship.



FOX40 issued an apology (http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-osama-v-obama-one-letter-mistake-strikes-multiple-networks-and-tv-stations-20110501,0,5601804.story) (kind of), but not before they defended its mistake by pointing out how easily it could be made and that other news organizations made similar mistakes, including CNN and the Modesto Bee newspaper.



They even threw a fellow FOX affiliate in San Diego under the bus for its anchor actually saying "President Obama" instead of "Osama Bin Laden" was dead.




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[robertlouis]

History Made: Fox News Credits Obama for Killing Osama Bin Laden

You know when Fox News is singing President Obama's praises something serious has gone right in America. I mean, everybody else on every single news channel was saying that Obama -- in concert with our heroic military troops who carried out a daring attack -- pulled off one of the gutsiest, bravest operations in years.
But Fox News?
They were actually saying the same thing.
I half expected Fox News to blame Obama for not killing Bin Laden twice. Or not killing him with the right weapon. But no, Fox News actually gave the president credit.
I know, scary stuff. The anti-Obama network used words like "historic" and a "very great success," which has my head spinning.
You know, maybe the Fox spinmeisters didn't show up to work on Sunday -- maybe they'll arrive at work on Monday morning and say, "Wait a second, we gave Obama an ounce of credit?! Who authorized that?"
Then, get this, at 1:38 a.m. they actually quoted NPR -- in a positive manner.
The world has been turned on its head.






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spoke to soon


In the rush to report the news of Osama Bin Laden's death (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead-president-obama-addresses-nation.html), a FOX News affiliate in Sacramento should have taken a moment to check its spelling.


Running along the bottom of FOX40's report on the event, the chyron read: "Reports: Obama Bin Laden Dead."


Apparently, some people issued complaints and accusations that it did it on purpose. After all, FOX News has some obvious conservative leanings in its coverage with Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly over at the mother ship.


FOX40 issued an apology (http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-osama-v-obama-one-letter-mistake-strikes-multiple-networks-and-tv-stations-20110501,0,5601804.story) (kind of), but not before they defended its mistake by pointing out how easily it could be made and that other news organizations made similar mistakes, including CNN and the Modesto Bee newspaper.


They even threw a fellow FOX affiliate in San Diego under the bus for its anchor actually saying "President Obama" instead of "Osama Bin Laden" was dead.



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Confirmation that Fox News are not only c**ts, they're stupid c**ts as well.

[natina]

I fixed it

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spoke to soon


In the rush to report the news of Osama Bin Laden's death (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead-president-obama-addresses-nation.html), a FOX News affiliate in Sacramento should have taken a moment to check its spelling.



Running along the bottom of FOX40's report on the event, the chyron read: "Reports: Obama Bin Laden Dead."



Apparently, some people issued complaints and accusations that it did it on purpose. After all, FOX News has some obvious conservative leanings in its coverage with Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly over at the mother ship.



FOX40 issued an apology (http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-osama-v-obama-one-letter-mistake-strikes-multiple-networks-and-tv-stations-20110501,0,5601804.story) (kind of), but not before they defended its mistake by pointing out how easily it could be made and that other news organizations made similar mistakes, including CNN and the Modesto Bee newspaper.



They even threw a fellow FOX affiliate in San Diego under the bus for its anchor actually saying "President Obama" instead of "Osama Bin Laden" was dead.




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[yodajazz]

You're 100% correct. However, as I've said before, when you have people who assume everyone who identifies with one party or the other takes the party position on every matter, mutual courtesy becomes impossible. Then again, this is America, where despite being born with a brain, you are rarely if ever required to us it. The UK is looking better all the time, my friend.

My experience with you, is that you are the one that makes the assumption that any criticism of Republican policies is an attack on every single person, identified with that party.

Despite my overwhelming support of Obama, I disagreed with him continuing the policy of drone attacks, within Pakistan. I think it creates more enemies than it killed. However, in the case of Bin Laden, I think it was the right choice. I notice Obama did say that taking innocent lives was minimized. That says then, there were, possibly bystanders killed. This is the one case, I think was worth it, but not in the cases of other unrecognized names, who could be more easily replaced.

One additional thing, I noticed he did not say that Bin Laden planned 9/11. He said that he was the leader of the organiztion that carried out 9/11. Even on official government wnated posters of him, he was not accused of masterminding 9/11. It spoke directlly of the embassy bombings in Africa, and said, 'various other attacks'.

[natina]

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[Stavros]

The manner in which Osama bin Laden has died will suit him most of all, after 9/11 he was most commonly photographed holding a gun, not the Qu'ran, and made it known he would 'never be taken alive' -to his fanatical supporters, he died as he lived, fighting the Americans to his last breath. It would have been better had he been arrested in his pyjamas, not for the public humiliation, but as evidence of the man's vulnerability, just as the 'invincible' Saddam Hussein was arrested in a hole in the ground and looked defeated notwithstanding his dishevelled hair and appearance. Fanatics will be preparing their 'revenge', and most likely in Pakistan where they live and breathe, and possibly using targets in India in the medium-term.

The death of bin Laden does not shut down as-Qaeda, but it does burst the balloon of invincibility, and it comes at a time when, across the Arab world, ordinary people are fighting against the same kind of one-eyed, one-party politics that produced bin Laden. Since 1918, the Arabs have been defeated on the battlefield, even Suez was merely a hollow victory because the British left the field rather than being beaten. The Arabs have had enough of family firms, brutal dictators, false promises, fixed economies, fanatical dead-end politics: if bin Laden's death is well-timed, one hopes that for the majority of Arabs, it is one more step towards a different kind of politics, and one that we should support.

My thoughts are with the victims, 'thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears'...

[DeLuX]

Msnbc is just as bias as Fox News. Don't tell the uptight liberals that though.

[DeLuX]

Also, Fox News channel and Local Fox affiliates are completely different entities. Liberals don't care for facts though.

[DeLuX]

The only thing worse than a conservative is a liberal who thinks he is any better.

[cool breeze]

i can see conspiracy theories arising.

There is no photographic or video evidence/confirmation of bin laden's body. Also it was stated he was buried at sea within hours of his death. So no physical evidence. Why couldnt they arrest him, use tear gas or sleeping gas etc?

Some will now argue it is a publicity stunt and he was not even captured

[giovanni_hotel]

There will be pictures. Besides, what did people expect?? We were going to fly his body back to the U.S. and drag him through the streets??

His body was never going to be formally shown to the public anyway.

[cool breeze]

why the need to bury him so quickly? That is not the usual course of events for enemy dead, especially high profile ones like him. Have they got something to hide? and to bury him in an unmarked spot at sea? I can see the conspiracy industry going into overdrive

[giovanni_hotel]

Seems to me that bin Laden's death only means that now we no longer know who al Queda is taking orders from, if he was ever their recognized "leader", which is in serious doubt. Don't see how this makes us any safer, but if anyone else sees it differently then I hope you sleep soundly tonight.

Are you smoking crack?? There's no 'spin' on this one. BHO iced OBL. Something nine years of Bush/Cheney couldn't manage to do.

Already I can hear the arguments, 'killing OBL isn't THAT big a deal.'

Turn on a TV. People have been celebrating in front of the WH since 12AM. The FUCKING STOCK MARKET ticked up with news of OBL's murder!!!

U.S. Navy SEALS put a bullet through Bin Laden's dome and dumped his body at sea.


WIN.

[LibertyHarkness]

they took his body to afghanistan first for some reason it says .. not sure what for ...maybe it will all come out of the next 2 days .

[Prospero]

why the need to bury him so quickly? That is not the usual course of events for enemy dead, especially high profile ones like him. Have they got something to hide? and to bury him in an unmarked spot at sea? I can see the conspiracy industry going into overdrive

This was out of respect for the Muslim practice of burial within 24 hours of death (same as in Judaism) and also, they say, so as not to create a place which would become a shrine for radical islamists.

So respect for islam and a covert critique of its radical distorters. Makes sense to me.

[Prospero]

It doesn't make us any safer. Aymoun al Zawhiri the "deputy leader" while, not having Bin Laden's mystique, was always a more intelligent strategist than Osama himself - and he is alive and well. Besides al-Queda is not a centralised organisation - it is an idea, a franchise.... and al-Queda globally is horribley alive and well. So the war will surely go on (and on and on and on)

[robertlouis]

This was out of respect for the Muslim practice of burial within 24 hours of death (same as in Judaism) and also, they say, so as not to create a place which would become a shrine for radical islamists.

So respect for islam and a covert critique of its radical distorters. Makes sense to me.

Is there a tradition of burial at sea within Islam though? I understand all the rationale for the US forces doing so, just hope that it has been done in strict accordance with the appropriate ritual.

And for anyone who says it doesn't matter, I've been listening to radio reports from Pakistan, which was already a powder keg and may now simply be waiting to explode.

[Prospero]

Not sure if there is a burial at sea tradition but at least the US observed the need for a swift internment. No parading of his corpse in the way that US bodies are often displayed such as in iran or Somaiia. That is a lot of respect for a man hugely instrumental in the mass murder of 9/11.

[Prospero]

This as a quick reference is what Wikepedia says: "The sacred texts of Islam prefer burial on land, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out. However, if a person dies at sea and it is not possible to bring the body back to land before decay, burial at sea is allowed. A weight is tied to the feet of the body, and the body is lowered into the water. This would preferably occur in an area where the remains are not immediately eaten by scavengers. Also, if an enemy may dig up the grave to mutilate the body, it is also allowed to bury the deceased at sea to avoid mutilation."]

[iamdrgonzo]

FBI says, it has “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

By Ed Haas

06/18/06 "Muckraker Report (http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html) " - June 6, 2006 – This past weekend, a thought provoking e-mail circulated through Internet news groups, and was sent to the Muckraker Report by Mr. Paul V. Sheridan (Winner of the 2005 Civil Justice Foundation Award), bringing attention to the FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorist web page for Usama Bin Laden (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm).[1] In the e-mail, the question is asked, “Why doesn’t Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster make any direct connection with the events of September 11, 2001?” The FBI says on its Bin Laden web page that Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998 bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. According to the FBI, these attacks killed over 200 people. The FBI concludes its reason for “wanting” Bin Laden by saying, “In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorists attacks throughout the world.”

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”

Click the link for article: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm



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Murder of U.S. Nationals Outside the United States; Conspiracy to Murder U.S. Nationals Outside the United States; Attack on a Federal Facility Resulting in Death


USAMA BIN LADEN


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/image_thumbDate of Photograph Unknown
Multimedia: (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/person_view_multimedia)Images (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/person_view_multimedia#images)
Aliases:

Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, the Prince, the Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, the Director
DESCRIPTION

Date(s) of Birth Used:

1957 Place of Birth:

Saudi ArabiaHeight:

6' 4" to 6' 6"Weight:

Approximately 160 pounds Build:

ThinOccupation:

Unknown Hair:

Brown Eyes:

BrownComplexion:

OliveSex:

MaleNationality:

Saudi ArabianScars and Marks:

None knownRemarks:

Bin Laden is the leader of a terrorist organization known as Al-Qaeda, "The Base". He is left-handed and walks with a cane.

CAUTION

Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.
REWARD

The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.

CONSIDERED ARMED AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS


If you have any information concerning this person, please contact your local FBI office (http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us) or the nearest American Embassy or Consulate. (http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/legat)
Field Office:New York (http://newyork.fbi.gov/)
June 1999
Poster Revised November 2001

The link: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden

[robertlouis]

The manner in which Osama bin Laden has died will suit him most of all, after 9/11 he was most commonly photographed holding a gun, not the Qu'ran, and made it known he would 'never be taken alive' -to his fanatical supporters, he died as he lived, fighting the Americans to his last breath. It would have been better had he been arrested in his pyjamas, not for the public humiliation, but as evidence of the man's vulnerability, just as the 'invincible' Saddam Hussein was arrested in a hole in the ground and looked defeated notwithstanding his dishevelled hair and appearance. Fanatics will be preparing their 'revenge', and most likely in Pakistan where they live and breathe, and possibly using targets in India in the medium-term.

The death of bin Laden does not shut down as-Qaeda, but it does burst the balloon of invincibility, and it comes at a time when, across the Arab world, ordinary people are fighting against the same kind of one-eyed, one-party politics that produced bin Laden. Since 1918, the Arabs have been defeated on the battlefield, even Suez was merely a hollow victory because the British left the field rather than being beaten. The Arabs have had enough of family firms, brutal dictators, false promises, fixed economies, fanatical dead-end politics: if bin Laden's death is well-timed, one hopes that for the majority of Arabs, it is one more step towards a different kind of politics, and one that we should support.

My thoughts are with the victims, 'thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears'...


He was found in what's been described as a "luxury compound", near a city in what has been described as Pakistan's main holiday playground for the wealthy. That's hardly the portrait of the ascetic living a holy and subsistence life that's always been painted in the past.

So there's a hope, however slight, that some of the kids all over the world who have been fanaticised into following his example might now see him as a hypocrite living in comfort and reconsider their stance.

It's not much, but it's better than nothing

And there are reports of several retaliatory suicide bombings already in Pakistan, where the government is on a loser either way - if they knew, they are complicit in the death of a muslim hero, if they didn't, they are incompetent and weak in the face of yet another US incursion into their sovereign territory. Be sure of it, if Pakistan topples in the direction of Iran, the west will really be in the shit - they already have nuclear capability.

[Prospero]

"Be sure of it, if Pakistan topples in the direction of Iran, the west will really be in the shit - they already have nuclear capability."

Well it won't be in the Iranian model - they're mainly Sunni in Pakistan (albeint many of them Wahabi or Salafi), not Shia. Plus the US is said to have contigency plans to seize and/or destroy Pakistan's nuclear weapons in the vent of a takeover by the radicals.
The great regional danger is from India should pakistan crack-up....

[robertlouis]

"Be sure of it, if Pakistan topples in the direction of Iran, the west will really be in the shit - they already have nuclear capability."

Well it won't be in the Iranian model - they're mainly Sunni in Pakistan (albeint many of them Wahabi or Salafi), not Shia. Plus the US is said to have contigency plans to seize and/or destroy Pakistan's nuclear weapons in the vent of a takeover by the radicals.
The great regional danger is from India should pakistan crack-up....

I agree with your regional assessment, but the world danger is the US going into Pakistan in that event, especially if an Islamist regime has already been installed. And with the Islamist party deeply invested in the ISI and the military establishment, this could be just the excuse needed for another military coup, but this time with a dedicated Islamist direction.

[Prospero]

That's true - but I think a regional war with india might kick-off sooner. What China might do in that event (bearing in mind their own little Islamist problem ) is intriguing.

[iamdrgonzo]

I agree with your regional assessment, but the world danger is the US going into Pakistan in that event, especially if an Islamist regime has already been installed. And with the Islamist party deeply invested in the ISI and the military establishment, this could be just the excuse needed for another military coup, but this time with a dedicated Islamist direction.


The US has been in Pakistan (etal) since the sun set on the British Empire.

[Prospero]

The sun set on our empire... damn I hadn't realised! Someone should have told Blair about that.

[robertlouis]

That's true - but I think a regional war with india might kick-off sooner. What China might do in that event (bearing in mind their own little Islamist problem ) is intriguing.

Yep, could be yet another good example of the adage "Be careful what you wish for" and, indeed, the law of unintended consequences.

As for me I'm going online elsewhere to check out tin helmet futures....

[robertlouis]

The US has been in Pakistan (etal) since the sun set on the British Empire.


I believe it was an American who once said that the British Empire is the empire on which the sun never sets - because God wouldn't trust the English in the dark. :geek::whistle::wiggle:

[BigDF]

Can someone please explain to me how he is an African American? I've been trying to understand that for years. His mother was a white woman, his father was a black African... You know, I suppose that does make him an African American actually, but if that's the case then we need to find another name for everyone else currently called an African American. I'm just going to call myself a Black American from now on so that there's no confusion.Thank you! Maybe in another couple of generations you can just be an American without reference to the color of your skin. :)

And since this board is the first thing I pay attention to in the morning it is here that I've learned that OBL (or is it UBL?) one of the assholes responsible for 9/11 is dead. The only cause for celebration that I can see is that now that the mission in Afghanistan is completed, we can start bringing our troops home. Not that I'm going to hold my breath or anything.:geek:

[robertlouis]

And since this board is the first thing I pay attention to in the morning it is here that I've learned that OBL (or is it UBL?) one of the assholes responsible for 9/11 is dead. The only cause for celebration that I can see is that now that the mission in Afghanistan is completed, we can start bringing our troops home. Not that I'm going to hold my breath or anything.:geek:

Sadly it isn't. While the presence of large numbers of US and other nato forces in Afghanistan serves two purposes - one to attempt to stabilise a country that has successfully resisted every previous attempt to do so, so good luck with that one, and secondly it means that there are forces available in the region should the situation in Pakistan fall into anarchy or worse. In my view this event potentially changes all the political undertakings to withdraw by 2014.

Walking away now, however emotionally desirable, would be like pouring petrol on the flames

[natina]

ape was the reason that many African Americans or mixed with European.

slave master use to rape there female and sometimes male slaves


http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia_a_Slave_by_Melton_A_McLaurin/content_67579842180
http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia_a_Slave_by_Melton_A_McLaurin/content_67579842180
http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia_a_Slave_by_Melton_A_McLaurin/content_67579842180
http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia_a_Slave_by_Melton_A_McLaurin/content_67579842180


IF YOU TAKE AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY

you will find out that

1.)blacks where invisible
no records kept of family or family tree,family separated.

2.)blacks where nameless with a few exceptions of those who escaped and fought against slavery like FREDERICK DOUGLAS


3.)BLACKS WERE NOT CONSIDERED A PERSON


4.)slave women often father children by slave masters
and so many african americans are concidered to be MULATTOS
THEY WERE RAPED AND THE WHITE WIFE WAS POWERLESS ALTHOUGHT THEY HAD ISSUES WITH IT
YOU CAN NOT RAPE A SLAVE GIRL IF YOU ARE A MASTER.

5.)slaves were considered to be CHATTEL
like live stock

and so much more disturbing facts

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J5WHBJ09L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg



The said book and what you quoted is very deep and moving. I thought they had 'black history month' in all schools in the US or is it only certain states? do the schools that feed the ivy league teaches it? So they gloss over what happened and only focus on roots which is pure fiction? what about Native American history, isnt it taught in schools because they went throught genocide and denial of basic human rights

One other question. Isnt there is a popular saying: 'I wont be your whipping boy' or 'i wont be your N word' in other words you treat the blacks like that not us? Ist

slave were called chattel and breed

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chattel


THERE IS A BOOK CALLED

CELIA THE SLAVE

IT DESCRIBES LIFE AS A SLAVE BACK THEN


http://www.epinions.com/review/Celia_a_Slave_by_Melton_A_McLaurin/content_67579842180

this is why African history should be included in American history and taught in the schools in the USA



http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J5WHBJ09L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg


McLaurin tells the story of a slave girl named Celia. We only know her as Celia, she has no other name. Robert Newsom, a plantation owner in Callaway, Missouri, purchased her at age 14. Newsom was recently widowed and it seems he purchased Celia with a sexual motive. As he brought her back to the farm, he raped her. From then on, Newsom "visited" Celia often in a cabin he provided for her which was very close to the main household. Over the years, Celia had two children with Newsom, which he considered "his property".

There were four other slaves on the plantation, but they were all men, so it was hard for Celia to confide in anyone. Soon, however, Celia formed a relationship with the slave George. By this time, the girl is 19 years old and is pregnant again. George is aware of what Newsom is doing and gives Celia an ultimatum - either she tell Newsom to leave her alone, or he would leave her.

When Newsom came to her cabin, Celia told him she wouldn't allow him to come anymore. However, Newsom didn't care since HE was HER master. He proceeded to rape her again. However, Celia hit him over the head with a club with intentions to wound him, but it was a fatal blow instead. Thus, the trial of Celia begins.

The rest of the story is history; wonderful history. The author combines a great story with historical facts. This makes the book very interesting. It's not like you're reading a history book, which is just plain facts. This book makes it fun and easy to learn. The information about the trial is factual, but since McLaurin put it in a story-like form, it is very interesting.

This is a great book to read if you are interested in what it was like to be a slave, or even if you need to do some kind of report. The author touches on so many aspects of a slaves' life. Taking place in the 1850's. McLaurin discusses the Dred Scott Case, tensions between bordering states, and regional/national elections. A huge part of this story focuses on the different laws of the time. For example:

-Is a slave 3/5 of a person?
-Does a slave have rights?
-Is a slave considered property?
-Is a slave considered a man or woman?

Celia is assigned lawyers, since a slave isn't allowed to testify in court - Can you believe the ridiculous laws back then? If a slave can't testify, how is he/she supposed to state his/her side of the story?

I don't want to give away all of the details of the trial, but there is one crucial element that I want to discuss a little bit. The issue is discussed of whether Celia is considered a woman. White women had the right to defend themselves against a man who was forcing himself upon her. Celia is a woman, so this law should apply to her as well. After all, she was only defending herself from this man. This discussion was a huge turning point during the trial. The jury and judge had to decide whether or not Celia had this right. It was such a big issue because it would totally change the law around. If she was a woman, she would have this right and it would make slave women more equal with white women. This would, in turn, take away some of the powers of the slave holder. If she did not have this right, things would remain the same and Celia would be hung.

By the end of the book, after much fighting and debating, Celia is pronounced guilty. The story illustrates just how terrible the life of a slave could be. The author put so much into this piece and made it so thorough that you don't just learn about the history while the trial is going on. Instead, he dedicated a couple of chapters to give you some background on the subject and to show the reader what is influencing the judge and jury's decision. (That is the part of the book that gets a little bit boring, because it really isn't in a story format, but just fact after fact on paper). Also, some parts of the book are a little bit hard to understand, this is not an extremely easy reader.

"Celia, A Slave" is a great historical book that is well written and actually fun to read. I really didn't think I would like the book when I first got it, I was actually a little bit hesitant, but it turned out just fine in the end.



Does anyone know if there is any evidence of slave breeding plantations as depicted in those novels? I for one believe it was pure fantasy and unlikely to happen in reality. To begin with it would take nearly 20 years for a new generation to develop, unlike breeding horses, cattle, sheep dogs etc. That would be too long plus it would be doubtful there would be enought numbers. Secondly the aim of any plantation slave holder is for passive or docile captives, but that was very difficult, going by the revolts that took place and sabotage or slow work.
So the answer would be to continuing importing new captives who were new to the country did not speak the language than using enslaved blacks who grew up in the plantations.

This myth of 'breeding' always comes up in debates about sports and athletics, especailly when it is trumpetted, how no white athlete has ever completed the 100M in under ten seconds.( I believe this year someone did?? Please enlighten me if i am wrong.) The muscle twitch gene is behind the black runners success in sprints. Since the top sprinters are from America and the caribbean and not west africa, it is said slavery had something to do with it, so this myth of 'breeding' came up. I believe Hitler said something similar folowing Jesse Owens winning 4 golds at the Berlin Olympics, he claimed the black man had an in built advantage over white runners. When it later came out that the Nazis practiced eugenics and strived to create a new 'pure aryan race', which failed anyway, creative writers after the war started writing about slave breeding plantations in the US.

Another point which shoots the 'breeding' myth to bits, is that other sports like cycling has sprinting and long distance aspects to it, which would favour black athletes. However no black cyclists has ever won the tour de france. That sport is dominated by white athletes also skiing, swimming, rowing, weight lifting etc. Yet no one asks questions whether white athletes are better equipped at them like blacks are supposed to be in sprinting.




Can someone please explain to me how he is an African American? I've been trying to understand that for years. His mother was a white woman, his father was a black African... You know, I suppose that does make him an African American actually, but if that's the case then we need to find another name for everyone else currently called an African American. I'm just going to call myself a Black American from now on so that there's no confusion.

[natina]

THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE 100% Caucasian ( NO AFRICAN ANCESTRY)


Bliss Broyard




Bliss Broyard is the author of My Father, Dancing (1999), a New York Times notable book of the year, and One Drop: My Father's Hidden Life -- A Story of Race & Family Secrets (2007). Her work has been anthologized in Best American Short Stories, The Pushcart Prize Anthology and The Art of the Essay, and she is a frequent contributor to Elle Magazine and The New York Times Book Review. Broyard lives in Brooklyn, New York, with her husband and daughter.


1753 Etienne Broyard, Bliss Broyard's fourth great grandfather, arrives in New Orleans from La Rochelle, France, a white soldier in the French Royal Army. Approximately half of the 3,000 people living in New Orleans at this time are slaves.

1855 Henry Antoine Broyard and Marie Pauline Bonnet, Bliss Broyard's great, great grandparents, marry in 1855. Pauline is a free person of color, and because marriage between blacks and whites is prohibited, Henry lists himself as "FPC," a free person of color, on the marriage license. Marie Pauline's family is among the 10,000 refugees from Saint Domingue, later renamed Haiti, who came to New Orleans after the colony's fight for independence.

1862 Henry Broyard's regiment, the First Louisiana Native Guard Infantry, is the first black regiment in the Union Army to enter the Civil War in September, 1862.

1920 Anatole Broyard is born in 1920. In 1927, Paul and Edna Broyard abandon New Orleans for Brooklyn, N.Y., bringing Anatole and his two sisters with them.

1990 New York Times critic and essayist Anatole Broyard dies of cancer. His wife, Alexandra, tells his daughter Bliss and son Todd that their father is part black, descended from Creoles in New Orleans.
Put Bliss Broyard's life and ancestry in historical context with the Interactive Historical Timeline.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/profiles/broyard.html


http://www.theroot.com/id/44162



http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/profiles/broyard.html

the creation of whiteness THAT DIRTY TRICK
THE CREATION OF WHITENESS


http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wis...whiteness-clip (http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip)


White skin appeared just 20,000 to 50,000 years ago, as dark-skinned humans migrated to colder climes and lost much of their melanin pigment.

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/20-things-skin (http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/20-things-skin)


see there is no biological basis for the idea of a white or black or asian

Race is an old concept that should probably be discarded. It was
created by people who had a very limited knowledge of their world. If you

look at any genetic map (mitochondrial or Y chromosome DNA), you can

see there is no biological basis for the idea of a white or black or asian

race.

Here's a nice map

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/ (http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/)

[natina]

Six Black Presidents: Black Blood : White Masks USA

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the benefits of denying your black ancestry in a movie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imitation_of_Life_(1959_film)

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/200


https://www.diversityinc.com/public/images/sixblackposter.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5b/Imitation_of_Life_1959_poster.jpg/215px-Imitation_of_Life_1959_poster.jpg
http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/6thbackpreas1.jpg

[lisaparadise]

Thank god this piece of shit is dead its about freakin time.this event should be a national holiday.now lets get the rest of his clan and shoot them dead.

[natina]

One book, "Black People and their Place in World History," by Dr. Leroy Vaughn, even claims that five past presidents — Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge — had black ancestors, which would make Obama the sixth of his kind.

Mix in a few centuries' worth of Central, South and Native Americans, plus Asians, and untold millions of today's U.S. citizens need a DNA test to decipher their true colors. The melting pot is working.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081213/ap_on_re_us/obama_s_not_black

Six Black Presidents: Black Blood : White Masks USA

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the benefits of denying your black ancestry in a movie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imitation_of_Life_(1959_film)

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/200

https://www.diversityinc.com/public/images/sixblackposter.gif

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/6thbackpreas1.jpg

[natina]

your DNA REVEALED
FROM AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY THEY ARE MIXED WHICH MAKES THEM BLACK

THIS was surpressed


see the root


OBAMA is not the 1st half black & white president of the USA


I INVITE THEM TO GET THERE DNA TESTED

OBAMA is not the 1st half black/white president of the USA

infact when you think about it obama was not the 1st black president if you say like past America that a drop of African blood makes you black.

THE 1ST PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND A FEW MORE WERE HALF BLACK but they could not promote that else they would not get elected or accepted



famous Caucasian people find out there PART BLACK
will this change there attitude?

your DNA REVEALED

http://www.theroot.com/id/44256?videoId=1386375784

http://www.theroot.com/id/44162

Bliss Broyard

Bliss Broyard is the author of My Father, Dancing (1999), a New York Times notable book of the year, and One Drop: My Father's Hidden Life -- A Story of Race & Family Secrets (2007). Her work has been anthologized in Best American Short Stories, The Pushcart Prize Anthology and The Art of the Essay, and she is a frequent contributor to Elle Magazine and The New York Times Book Review. Broyard lives in Brooklyn, New York, with her husband and daughter.


1753 Etienne Broyard, Bliss Broyard's fourth great grandfather, arrives in New Orleans from La Rochelle, France, a white soldier in the French Royal Army. Approximately half of the 3,000 people living in New Orleans at this time are slaves.

1855 Henry Antoine Broyard and Marie Pauline Bonnet, Bliss Broyard's great, great grandparents, marry in 1855. Pauline is a free person of color, and because marriage between blacks and whites is prohibited, Henry lists himself as "FPC," a free person of color, on the marriage license. Marie Pauline's family is among the 10,000 refugees from Saint Domingue, later renamed Haiti, who came to New Orleans after the colony's fight for independence.

1862 Henry Broyard's regiment, the First Louisiana Native Guard Infantry, is the first black regiment in the Union Army to enter the Civil War in September, 1862.

1920 Anatole Broyard is born in 1920. In 1927, Paul and Edna Broyard abandon New Orleans for Brooklyn, N.Y., bringing Anatole and his two sisters with them.

1990 New York Times critic and essayist Anatole Broyard dies of cancer. His wife, Alexandra, tells his daughter Bliss and son Todd that their father is part black, descended from Creoles in New Orleans.
Put Bliss Broyard's life and ancestry in historical context with the Interactive Historical Timeline.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/profiles/broyard.html


http://www.diversityinc.com/public/images/black_pres_poster.jpg




:smh

If they had black ancestors, that would´ve been apparent. Thomas Jefferson for example was born in 1743 when slavery was still "young". So, if he had black ancestors, it would have been OBVIOUS.

[natina]

by Falrune


Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:08 am


Race is an old concept that should probably be discarded. It was

created by people who had a very limited knowledge of their world. If you

look at any genetic map (mitochondrial or Y chromosome DNA), you can

see there is no biological basis for the idea of a white or black or asian

race.

Here's a nice map

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

[bte]

Are you smoking crack?? There's no 'spin' on this one. BHO iced OBL. Something nine years of Bush/Cheney couldn't manage to do.

Already I can hear the arguments, 'killing OBL isn't THAT big a deal.'

Turn on a TV. People have been celebrating in front of the WH since 12AM. The FUCKING STOCK MARKET ticked up with news of OBL's murder!!!

U.S. Navy SEALS put a bullet through Bin Laden's dome and dumped his body at sea.


WIN.

Clinton couldn't do it either.

[Prospero]

Why is natina posting vast swathes of material on race in a thread that I thought was about Osama bin Laden? Way too much to read but shouldn't it be a thread of its own.

Offer us a two or three sentence summary of what this about natina - please?

[bte]

Natina/TS Brenda is incapable of offering a two or three sentence summary

[Prospero]

According to a former CIA guy interviewed on the BBC today Clinton didn't really want to catch Bin Laden out of concern for US image at the time. Bush couldn't - though they say that the US Government knew about this location four years ago, but the operation to kill him took a long time to plan in detail.

[bte]

According to a former CIA guy interviewed on the BBC today Clinton didn't really want to catch Bin Laden out of concern for US image at the time. Bush couldn't - though they say that the US Government knew about this location four years ago, but the operation to kill him took a long time to plan in detail.

I thought in a Clinton interview with someone from Fox News that he wanted to capture/kill bin Laden. He had intel on bin Laden, but just couldn't do it.

[natina]

This neocon tj347 posted this below,thats why


can someone please explain to me how he is an african american? I've been trying to understand that for years. His mother was a white woman, his father was a black african... You know, i suppose that does make him an african american actually, but if that's the case then we need to find another name for everyone else currently called an african american. I'm just going to call myself a black american from now on so that there's no confusion.



why is natina posting vast swathes of material on race in a thread that i thought was about osama bin laden? Way too much to read but shouldn't it be a thread of its own.

Offer us a two or three sentence summary of what this about natina - please?

[BigDF]

Sadly it isn't. While the presence of large numbers of US and other nato forces in Afghanistan serves two purposes - one to attempt to stabilise a country that has successfully resisted every previous attempt to do so, so good luck with that one, and secondly it means that there are forces available in the region should the situation in Pakistan fall into anarchy or worse. In my view this event potentially changes all the political undertakings to withdraw by 2014.

Walking away now, however emotionally desirable, would be like pouring petrol on the flamesUnfortunately, despite my earlier post, I am aware of that. In fact, it is quite possible that if we had stayed around after semi-covertly helping them push the Soviets out of there, bin Laden and his merry band would never have even existed. I am well aware that we are going to be stuck in the region for the foreseeable future if for no other reason then to prevent a disastrous war between Pakistan and India.

Then again if Mayans are correct, withdrawal by 2014 becomes a moot point.:)

[robertlouis]

Then again if Mayans are correct, withdrawal by 2014 becomes a moot point.:)

The Mayans didn't predict their own demise, so their record as forecasters is shaky to say the least lol.

[Mahuluvr]

It is strange this thread has taken on a different tone. From Osama to Politics to Race to future predictions.

Personally, I feel some redemption over his death. Having deployed 4 times (twice to Iraq) it is as if all that hard work is now justified. Actually, I had given up hope he would ever be caught/found. However, I just continued to do my duty because that is what soldiers do.

I am not sure what will become of this. Do I feel safer? I never felt unsafe anyway.

As for politics, my boss is the Commander and Chief, whoever that may be, and my job is to carry out his orders. I have no political leanings, just that the guy in charge do a good job. And I am happy Bin Laden is dead.

Obama will get the credit for this operation for sure, and so he should. He is the one who authorized the operation.

On a humorous note, I too cannot believe that I found out about Bin Laden's death on Hung Angles. To me that is kind of crazy.

Take care all.

[robertlouis]

It is strange this thread has taken on a different tone. From Osama to Politics to Race to future predictions.

Personally, I feel some redemption over his death. Having deployed 4 times (twice to Iraq) it is as if all that hard work is now justified. Actually, I had given up hope he would ever be caught/found. However, I just continued to do my duty because that is what soldiers do.

I am not sure what will become of this. Do I feel safer? I never felt unsafe anyway.

As for politics, my boss is the Commander and Chief, whoever that may be, and my job is to carry out his orders. I have no political leanings, just that the guy in charge do a good job. And I am happy Bin Laden is dead.

Obama will get the credit for this operation for sure, and so he should. He is the one who authorized the operation.

On a humorous note, I too cannot believe that I found out about Bin Laden's death on Hung Angles. To me that is kind of crazy.

Take care all.

Well said. I salute your courage.

[Prospero]

Yep - no one can criticise the bravry of the Americans, brits and others on duty in Afghanistan etc. Leave the politics aside. You guys are worth saluting. A guy I know was just in Helmand and his unit was hit by an IED. One guy - an Afghan commando - lost both his legs.

[Brandi Boots]

It makes me smile to think that somewhere in the cold waters of the deep dark ocean, fish are poopin' out bits of bin laden and sea slugs are crawling on his bones! :dancing: I hope he felt the bullet rippin through his face and lifting the back of his skull off his fukin head. :twisted: GO SEAL 6! :peanutbutter

and fuk anybody who dosent think today is a good, good day! (que up the Black Eyed Peas.....Mazel Tov to everyone)

[traLika]

...somewhere in the cold waters of the deep dark ocean, fish are poopin' out bits of bin laden and sea slugs are crawling on his bones!


lol!
A macabre but ultimately satisfying scenario! :dancing: :party:

[TSLoverUK999]

Yay, the guy you've been told to hate & blame is dead.

Dead, really, really ? ? Where is the evidence ? Who will we fear now ?

[traLika]

Who will we fear now ?


Kenny Dalglish. He is The Antichrist and he must be stopped before next season! ;)

[KelticForce1349]

It makes me smile to think that somewhere in the cold waters of the deep dark ocean, fish are poopin' out bits of bin laden and sea slugs are crawling on his bones! :dancing: I hope he felt the bullet rippin through his face and lifting the back of his skull off his fukin head. :twisted: GO SEAL 6! :peanutbutter

and fuk anybody who dosent think today is a good, good day! (que up the Black Eyed Peas.....Mazel Tov to everyone)

Mazel Tov hhm? Are you Jewish? Just curious...

Dare I ask you about your Spurs? The Grizzlies are shocking the shit out of me right now...

[Brandi Boots]

Mazel Tov hhm? Are you Jewish? Just curious...

Dare I ask you about your Spurs? The Grizzlies are shocking the shit out of me right now...


lol, not jewish...just quoting the BEPeas song

As for my poor Spurs....I have slowly taken the rope off my shower rod. You can not imagine the flack I have endured from my friends. You men can be so cruel. :hide-1:

But back on Task here in this thread: (que up your OZ munchkin voice)

"Ding, Dong, the Fuckers dead.....Navy Seals shot him in the head!!"

[MrsKellyPierce]

The conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

He was buried in the sea to not desecrate his body/religion and so they wouldn't build a shrine to evoke sympathizing movements.

They have his DNA test - The wife identified him

People want to see the footage and his body - due to being obsessed with death.

It will give them entertainment mostly.

I quote everytime he gets shot people will play it over and over saying "Bam he got shot."

I congratulate everyone who was involved.

They killed a man that they looked towards as their inspiration.

We still have much more to do.

[SammiValentine]

Kenny Dalglish. He is The Antichrist and he must be stopped before next season! ;)

hes coming to get you, again, fergie.

:D :D :D forever in his shadow :D

[CORVETTEDUDE]

DNA verification is forthcoming, confirming bin Laden's demise. If the results prove it was, in fact, him that threw in the ocean....I will be buying my brothers a few well deserved rounds of hooch at our favorite waterin' hole. People dismayed about him being dumped at sea don't really understand the logic behind that process and the reason for it.

[Prospero]

Burial at sea meant there was no tomb to become a shrine - and swift burial was respect for the faith of islam. Simple as that.

[MrsKellyPierce]

DNA verification is forthcoming, confirming bin Laden's demise. If the results prove it was, in fact, him that threw in the ocean....I will be buying my brothers a few well deserved rounds of hooch at our favorite waterin' hole. People dismayed about him being dumped at sea don't really understand the logic behind that process and the reason for it.
They already said the DNA confirmed from Officials on CNN

[nonnonnon]

here's a photoshopped pic to sate you
http://pikchur.com/Af0J

[The Piper]

Buried at Sea?

I have serious doubts.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Buried at Sea?

I have serious doubts.
They buried him at sea to give him a proper Muslim burial and so shrines couldn't be built for sympathetic movements.

http://bit.ly/mdj7vI Read this

[The Piper]

That's no proof Kelly.
It's like so many other things with politicians.Believe what you are told without question.
Are the DNA results open for public viewing yet?Have they released pictures of the sea burial?
I have no doubts they have killed Bin Laden.It's just this part of it sounds "iffy" to me.
But that's only one persons opinion.

[neutral sex]

i prefer him alive... so that he can suffer a little..

[neutral sex]

They already said the DNA confirmed from Officials on CNN

since when CNN tell the truth?

[MrsKellyPierce]

That's no proof Kelly.
It's like so many other things with politicians.Believe what you are told without question.
Are the DNA results open for public viewing yet?Have they released pictures of the sea burial?
I have no doubts they have killed Bin Laden.It's just this part of it sounds "iffy" to me.
But that's only one persons opinion.
They will be releasing the DNA and half the people are interested in the pictures and video for entertainment purposes.

So they can take joy in his death.

If Bin Laden wasn't dead you don't think Bin Laden Al Qaeda would of released a statement that it was a lie?

Bin Laden is too proud to let us have this "VICTORY"

He'd want the world to know he was still alive.

And they aren't releasing the pictures of his burial etc for safety for everyone involved.

So they aren't targeted.

[MrsKellyPierce]

i prefer him alive... so that he can suffer a little..
Him alive would only strengthen Al Qaeda

And Home Security said they are 99.9 % sure it was Osama according to DNA

[traLika]

Buried at Sea?

I have serious doubts.

Waterboarding and electrocuting his testicles would be far more practical. He would know a lotta stuff...

[traLika]

hes coming to get you, again, fergie.

:D :D :D forever in his shadow :D


Don't ever call me Fergie in public! :hide-1: ;)

[lisaparadise]

Waterboarding and electrocuting his testicles would be far more practical. He would know a lotta stuff...i love the way you think lol you sure your not a tranny lol

[neutral sex]

Him alive would only strengthen Al Qaeda

And Home Security said they are 99.9 % sure it was Osama according to DNA

in the past all major arrested people after brain wash call there fans to surrender!!

if they killed him the made him a hero!!!

an other thing....they drop the body in the sea ...ok whatever..

dont forget when che guevara and saddam where killed they took 100 photos of them being dead.... bin ladden is 100 times more important to be killed or arrested

if they saw us again 1-2 photos and not clear...again they will lie to us..

[MrsKellyPierce]

in the past all major arrested people after brain wash call there fans to surrender!!

if they killed him the made him a hero!!!

an other thing....they drop the body in the sea ...ok whatever..

dont forget when che guevara and saddam where killed they took 100 photos of them being dead.... bin ladden is 100 times more important to be killed or arrested

if they saw us again 1-2 photos and not clear...again they will lie to us..
They never said they weren't going to release photos.

They are trying to go about this the right way to not offend Islamic Beliefs and so we are still acting as a HUMANE country.

We don't want to ignite more anger.

I am sure in the coming days there will be DNA results and pics released.

They dropped him in the sea so he could go the after-life..we didn't have the time to take him to America - then back to their soils - so we released him into the sea and gave him the proper Islamic burial. Nor did we want a shrine for sympathizers.

It's been less than 24 hours and everyone is demanding and claiming conspiracy.

We need Pakistan as allies not enemies. After all Pakistani soldiers have killed more terrorists than we have.

You don't go on a crazed crusade and then show off like he is a trophy.

This at the end of the day is still a human.

Again if he wasn't dead - Al Qaeda and Bin Laden wouldn't just lie down and let the lie go on.

He liked to show off by making video appearances etc...

Your claims make no sense.

[traLika]

i love the way you think lol you sure your not a tranny lol

Nah, I'm just a guy. Welcome back Lisa. Be a good girl now! ;)

[MrsKellyPierce]

in the past all major arrested people after brain wash call there fans to surrender!!

if they killed him the made him a hero!!!

an other thing....they drop the body in the sea ...ok whatever..

dont forget when che guevara and saddam where killed they took 100 photos of them being dead.... bin ladden is 100 times more important to be killed or arrested

if they saw us again 1-2 photos and not clear...again they will lie to us..
Not to mention the more American's celebrate and boast - the more it will piss off these Extremist.

Another reason they are trying to play it safe.

[Ben]

Waterboarding and electrocuting his testicles would be far more practical. He would know a lotta stuff...

Electrocuting his testicles -- ha! ha! Sounds like the name for a good horror flick -- ha! ha! Or: porn flick -- ha! ha! ha!

[The Piper]

Another reason they are trying to play it safe.


Kelly,if they wanted to play it safe,they didn't need to release the information.

Bin Laden is dead and your politicians will use it to their advantage.

[traLika]

Electrocuting his testicles -- ha! ha! Sounds like the name for a good horror flick -- ha! ha! Or: porn flick -- ha! ha! ha!

For kids too... Mattel could launch a new game called 'Make Osama Talk'. ;)

[Ben]

For kids too... Mattel could launch a new game called 'Make Osama Talk'. ;)

ha! ha! ha! Sounds good -- :)

[Ben]

Rush Limbaugh praising Obama. What?!?!?!? ha! ha! It's true.

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: '"Thank God For President Obama" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG8qOzL8Hhk)

And I want to hear from the conspiracy theorists. Tada: Alex Jones:

YouTube - YouTube - Osama Bin Laden Assassination, Another Photoshop Hoax! - Alex Jones Tv 1-2.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRSPLK62EJM)

[TJ347]

My experience with you, is that you are the one that makes the assumption that any criticism of Republican policies is an attack on every single person, identified with that party.

Despite my overwhelming support of Obama, I disagreed with him continuing the policy of drone attacks, within Pakistan. I think it creates more enemies than it killed. However, in the case of Bin Laden, I think it was the right choice. I notice Obama did say that taking innocent lives was minimized. That says then, there were, possibly bystanders killed. This is the one case, I think was worth it, but not in the cases of other unrecognized names, who could be more easily replaced.

One additional thing, I noticed he did not say that Bin Laden planned 9/11. He said that he was the leader of the organiztion that carried out 9/11. Even on official government wnated posters of him, he was not accused of masterminding 9/11. It spoke directlly of the embassy bombings in Africa, and said, 'various other attacks'.

My experience with you, among others, is that you make statements about a political party's members and then act surprised when any member of said party who does not fit into your preconceived notions of their interests or beliefs corrects you. When you say "Republicans care more about money than their fellow man", you are speaking about all Republicans. If that is not your intent, then you should choose your words more carefully.

As to the rest of what you say, I am not at all surprised. We don't have the ability to conduct military operations without the risk of civilian casualties, so while it is unfortunate that any innocent parties would lose their lives in a hunt for scumbag terrorists, that is and has always been the reality. I'm happy enough bin Laden is dead, and if at all possible would prefer to leave political posturing to one of the several other threads already mired in foolishness as opposed to bringing that nonsense here with criticisms of opinions espoused in those unrelated threads and postings with oversized graphics indicating my distaste for select news outlets.

[Avers]

That's the fake ... No dead corps - no dead O.B.Laden. The whole story is just the simple mistification to present now the death of the person who could be already dead for many years or just the same mistification to help him to "leave the game" alive. Or ... the poor old guy simply died in his bed in Pakistan (in fortified residence controled by CIA troops and agents) and USA authorities decided to use this fact as the possibility to manifest to everyone theirs military success. With all possible Hollywood effects.

[TJ347]

Are you smoking crack?? There's no 'spin' on this one. BHO iced OBL. Something nine years of Bush/Cheney couldn't manage to do.

Already I can hear the arguments, 'killing OBL isn't THAT big a deal.'

Turn on a TV. People have been celebrating in front of the WH since 12AM. The FUCKING STOCK MARKET ticked up with news of OBL's murder!!!

U.S. Navy SEALS put a bullet through Bin Laden's dome and dumped his body at sea.


WIN.

You've obviously misunderstood me, as you highlight a comment I made about whether or not Al Queda recognized bin Laden as their leader (and I've since established that they don't) only to go on about something totally unrelated to what I was talking about. I never disputed whether he was dead or not or how it happened.

[giovanni_hotel]

BHO watched this raid happen in REAL TIME from the WH via videolink. I'd venture to guess he saw that fateful SEAL bullet slice through OBL's cranium.

No way the Feds go big time about this announcement if they hadn't killed him.

My only question is, when did the operation happen??
His assassination was announced last night, but the POTUS didn't receive confirmation the mission was accomplished IMO until the body was dumped in the ocean.

The mission has been in the planning allegedly since August, so these results could have been delayed. Who knows if OBL wasn't detained and questioned on site before being killed??

We don't, and never will have ALL the details, but one you can be sure of, Bin Laden is no longer walking among the living.

The Pakis are liars and backstabbers and have been stealing U.S. aid money to support regional terrorism for years. What I love is that the Paklstanis were alerted we wanted to conduct a mission in Pakistani territory, but they had NO IDEA we were about to murder OBL!!!lolol!


Think about it, OBL was living in a fortified mansion mere miles away from the pre-eminent Pakistani military academy and approximately 60 miles from the capitol of Islamabad.

Those fuckers were sheltering and harboring this asshole, all while smiling in our faces claiming they were doing their utmost to help find OBL.

We should drop a bomb on those pricks.

[lisaparadise]

Nah, I'm just a guy. Welcome back Lisa. Be a good girl now! ;)lol tx how did ya know i was gone?did ya miss me lol,by the way im so pissed at pakastan right now,they let this prick stay in a safe house 1000 yards across from a military check point and kept him in hiding for how long?these assholes need to come clean or obama needs to drop a few bombs on these pricks and show him exactly whos in charge cause right now pakastan has and always will be the home base of all terrerist period.for the record i have complete hatred for pakastan and all its people who support bin laden and there hatred for the western world fuck them fuck the packies and fuck you bin laden.

[TJ347]

This neocon tj347 posted this below,thats why

And you thought that spamming yet another thread with inane drivel was an appropriate response? Wonderful. And FYI, I'm a Republican, not a "neocon". Or should I start referring to you and yours with an unflattering pet name, spam master?

[giovanni_hotel]

That's the fake ... No dead corps - no dead O.B.Laden. The whole story is just the simple mistification to present now the death of the person who could be already dead for many years or just the same mistification to help him to "leave the game" alive. Or ... the poor old guy simply died in his bed in Pakistan (in fortified residence controled by CIA troops and agents) and USA authorities decided to use this fact as the possibility to manifest to everyone theirs military success. With all possible Hollywood effects.


Suspicion and skepticism = good.

Paranoia because you personally didn't see it happen = really BAD.

You IMO don't have a grounded understanding about how the Feds work. The WH wouldn't come out this publicly unless there is various confirmation that the operation was successful and occurred in general as it was described.

OBL was living in a CIA CONTROLLED compound in Pakistan??

Don't be stupid.

We've been played by the Pakis for billions of dollars for their 'support' in our war on terrorism, this was a cash play for them. We clearly weren't manipulating them to suit our military needs.

[traLika]

lol tx how did ya know i was gone?did ya miss me lol

hollywoodbuckstrap posted a stickie saying he'd temporarily banned a few people and I kinda guessed... lol

[lisaparadise]

hollywoodbuckstrap posted a stickie saying he'd temporarily banned a few people and I kinda guessed... lollol you mean i had company lol that was the first time i got banned here and i didnt like it lol,i was having alot of fun with the race issue lol i quess he though i wasnt very funny lol damn some people have no sence of humour lol

[TJ347]

:loser:

[fred41]

We don't have the ability to conduct military operations without the risk of civilian casualties, so while it is unfortunate that any innocent parties would lose their lives in a hunt for scumbag terrorists, that is and has always been the reality. I'm happy enough bin Laden is dead, and if at all possible would prefer to leave political posturing to one of the several other threads already mired in foolishness as opposed to bringing that nonsense here with criticisms of opinions espoused in those unrelated threads and postings with oversized graphics indicating my distaste for select news outlets.

Good Quote..

Nice to see Bin Laden is finally dead...best news I heard in a while.

..and could the conspiracy theorists just keep a lid on crazy for a little while and shut the fuck up ?!!

[theone1982]

lol you mean i had company lol that was the first time i got banned here and i didnt like it lol,i was having alot of fun with the race issue lol i quess he though i wasnt very funny lol damn some people have no sence of humour lol

It's good to have you back Lisa!:Bowdown: You haven't truly made it in the world until you've been banned on HA!:):dancing:

[theone1982]

Suspicion and skepticism = good.

Paranoia because you personally didn't see it happen = really BAD.

You IMO don't have a grounded understanding about how the Feds work. The WH wouldn't come out this publicly unless there is various confirmation that the operation was successful and occurred in general as it was described.

OBL was living in a CIA CONTROLLED compound in Pakistan??

Don't be stupid.

We've been played by the Pakis for billions of dollars for their 'support' in our war on terrorism, this was a cash play for them. We clearly weren't manipulating them to suit our military needs.

:iagree:

[traLika]

lol you mean i had company lol that was the first time i got banned here and i didnt like it lol,i was having alot of fun with the race issue lol i quess he though i wasnt very funny lol damn some people have no sence of humour lol

Sorry, it wasn't hollywoodbuckstrap, it was JohnnyWalkerBlackLabel. I always confuse those two...lol

[natina]

Rush Limbaugh: "Thank God For President Obama"

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: "Thank God For President Obama" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG8qOzL8Hhk)


Rush Limbaugh on Osama bin Laden's death: 'Thank God for President Obama'



Rush Limbaugh began his radio show Monday morning praising President Obama for his leadership in the demise of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
In his nationally syndicated radio show, Limbaugh who has been one of Obama's fiercest critics, gave the commander-in-chief all the glory in the successful mission that ended the life of Public Enemy No. 1.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we need to open the program today by congratulating President Obama," Limbaugh said. "President Obama has done something extremely effective and when he does, this needs to be pointed out. President Obama has continued the Bush policies of keeping a military presence in the Middle East. He did not scrub the mission to get Bin Laden. In fact, it may be that President Obama single-handedly came up with the technique in order to pull this off."
Limbaugh, who has recently criticized the first lady's figure (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dailydish/2011/02/rush-limbaugh-crtiticizes-first-lady-michelle-obamas-weight-nutritional-campaign.html), said in 2009 that he hopes Mr. Obama fails (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/03/limbaugh.html), and complained last year about Americans donating to the post-earthquake humanitarian relief in Haiti (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2010/01/rush-limbaughs-argument-against-sending-aid-to-haiti.html), continued about Bin Laden: "You see the military wanted to go in there and bomb. They always do. They wanted to go in there and drop missiles and launch bombs. A number of totally destructive techniques here. But President Obama, perhaps the only qualified member in the room to deal with this, insisted on the Special Forces. No one else thought of that. President Obama. Not a single intelligence adviser, not a single national security adviser, not a single military adviser came up with the idea of using SEAL Team 6 or any Special Forces," Limbaugh said, with what some are saying is a slight tinge of sarcasm in his delivery.
"Our military wanted to go in there and just scorch the earth," Limbaugh continued, "but President Obama single-handedly understood what was at stake here. He alone understood the need to get DNA to prove the death ... it was President Obama single-handedly and alone who came up with the strategy that brought about the effective assassination of Osama bin Laden," the radio host said, concluding, "Thank God for President Obama."


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/rush-limbaugh-on-bin-ladens-death-thank-god-for-president-obama.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/rush-limbaugh-on-bin-ladens-death-thank-god-for-president-obama.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/rush-limbaugh-on-bin-ladens-death-thank-god-for-president-obama.html
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/rush-limbaugh-on-bin-ladens-death-thank-god-for-president-obama.html


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0134832a4dc9970c-600wi

[giovanni_hotel]

Rush Limbaugh, WTF!!??

http://ohellnawlblog.com/newohnblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/osama_liberty.jpg

[giovanni_hotel]

Avers, what do you think Obama, Hillary, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the NSA are watching on the big screen??

The ROyal wedding??

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/273047/WHITE-HOUSE-OSAMA.jpg

[traLika]

Avers, what do you think Obama, Hillary, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the NSA are watching on the big screen??

The ROyal wedding??


They're watching an unedited preview screening of Diarrhea Bukkake. ;)

[Realgirls4me]

Msnbc is just as bias as Fox News. Don't tell the uptight liberals that though.

MSNBC is partisan,but at least they don't pull shit out of their ass and report as fact,as Fox News has done time and time again. Fox News is the biggest joke of a network on the planet. Your moral equivalency crap
won't work here,Dude.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Everyone has to have conspiracy...

The reason Bush couldn't get the job done is because of Rahm Emanuel - he had military men working as intelligence..


Instead of using the CIA who specialize in this. He didn't want to work with the CIA and thought they were useless.

So noone could agree or get along

Obama has the smarts to put the right people in charge and realize that we all NEED to work together.

Obama and his team of people brought this home.

Why do you think he is putting the head of the CIA in charge of the Pentagon..

[Realgirls4me]

Maybe, as far as getting Osama is concerned,the banner should read,'Mission Accomplished'. Ha!

[TJ347]

Where the president has the authority to put people in charge, this is done after consulting advisors who specialize in that respective field. So what you're really saying is that Obama had the smarts to listen to his advisors, which is typically the case with presidents. Let's keep it honest.

[Ben]

Maybe, as far as getting Osama is concerned,the banner should read,'Mission Accomplished'. Ha!

Give it a day or two and Trump will be sayin': Show us the death certificate -- ha! ha!

[Realgirls4me]

Where the president has the authority to put people in charge, this is done after consulting advisors who specialize in that respective field. So what you're really saying is that Obama had the smarts to listen to his advisors, which is typically the case with presidents. Let's keep it honest.

And what you're saying,and basically admitting,is that the dunce Bush did not have the smarts to prevent one of the biggest blunders any administration would not desire as part of their legacy: Launching an unprovoked attack against a country (Iraq) which had nothing to do with 9/11. Let's keep it honest.

[Realgirls4me]

Give it a day or two and Trump will be sayin': Show us the death certificate -- ha! ha!

I'm still trying to figure out why someone such as a pompous buffoon like Trump is relevant -- on any level?!

[natina]

Osama bin ladens last words


"THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF bush was still president"

[Realgirls4me]

Osama bin ladens last words


"THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF bush was still president"

LOL!!! Now THAT was funny,Natina. :)

[natina]

osama bin laden would of like to kill everyone here

neocons/republicans would like to jail or put in a metal institution everyone here
to jail everyone here

[natina]

osama bin laden would of like to kill everyone here

neocons/republicans would like to jail or put in a metal institution everyone here



Osama bin ladens last words





"THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF bush was still president"





Osama bin ladens last words





"THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF bush was still president"

[Ben]

I'm still trying to figure out why someone such as a pompous buffoon like Trump is relevant -- on any level?!

I don't think he is, well, politically relevant. Because I don't think he really cares about politics. I mean, like a lot of clever celebs he's a very good hype machine, as it were.

[TJ347]

And what you're saying,and basically admitting,is that the dunce Bush did not have the smarts to prevent one of the biggest blunders any administration would not desire as part of their legacy: Launching an unprovoked attack against a country (Iraq) which had nothing to do with 9/11. Let's keep it honest.

If that's what you got from what I said, so be it. Way to twist something so perfectly clear as to take another shot at G.W.

[theone1982]

Quick question-why isn't this thread in the politics/religion section? All this high-octane back and forth vitriol is taking away my hard-on!:):dancing:

[Ben]

Quick question-why isn't this thread in the politics/religion section? All this high-octane back and forth vitriol is taking away my hard-on!:):dancing:

This should bring back your hard on -- ha! ha! ha!

[theone1982]

This should bring back your hard on -- ha! ha! ha!

Lol! No, still didn't work!:)

[flabbybody]

Quick question-why isn't this thread in the politics/religion section? All this high-octane back and forth vitriol is taking away my hard-on!:):dancing:

you'd think peep could just celebrate bin Laden getting a Moe Greene special instead of turning it into an argument about politics/religion

[theone1982]

you'd think peep could just celebrate bin Laden getting a Moe Greene special instead of turning it into an argument about politics/religion

I couldn't agree more! Everyone should save the partisanship for the politics and religion section where it belongs and just celebrate a great day for not just Americans, but really the whole world. Great Godfather reference with Moe Greene! "Nobody talks to Moe Greene like that!":)

[natina]

Osama BIN LADENS blood spill

SEE VIDEO
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.raid/index.html?hpt=T1

[onmyknees]

Who doesn't sleep because they're worried about al Queda? Oh that's right Tea-Baggers. You fuckers have been yearning for Bin Laden's ass for nine years, and now that a democratic president has delivered it you're all, "I don't see how this makes us any safer." LOL

DING DONG
THE WITCH IS DEAD...

Trish.....I wondered how the Barry boolickers and hysterical left like you would play this...not surprised ! I told you when you're ready to get tea bagged by the real deal....let me know. I'll show ya the ropes...( politically and physically..LOL) Glad to see that your first comment on the matter is typically spiteful and partisian. I put your comments on these matters in the same cesspool as Bill Maher, and Lyndon Larouche. That is to say...Unhinged, predictable, and far out of any semblance of what is considered rational. Therefore your post and your thoughts on the matter fall into the FAIL category. But not to worry....you're in good company with Natina ! LMAO

[robertlouis]

They will be releasing the DNA and half the people are interested in the pictures and video for entertainment purposes.

So they can take joy in his death.

If Bin Laden wasn't dead you don't think Bin Laden Al Qaeda would of released a statement that it was a lie?

Bin Laden is too proud to let us have this "VICTORY"

He'd want the world to know he was still alive.

And they aren't releasing the pictures of his burial etc for safety for everyone involved.

So they aren't targeted.

Thanks for your consistently cool and objective contributions here Kelly. Refreshing after the unbridled blood lust of so many others.

Al Qaeda is a terrorist franchise. It will continue without him. Get used to that fact folks.

[robertlouis]

BHO watched this raid happen in REAL TIME from the WH via videolink. I'd venture to guess he saw that fateful SEAL bullet slice through OBL's cranium.

No way the Feds go big time about this announcement if they hadn't killed him.

My only question is, when did the operation happen??
His assassination was announced last night, but the POTUS didn't receive confirmation the mission was accomplished IMO until the body was dumped in the ocean.

The mission has been in the planning allegedly since August, so these results could have been delayed. Who knows if OBL wasn't detained and questioned on site before being killed??

We don't, and never will have ALL the details, but one you can be sure of, Bin Laden is no longer walking among the living.

The Pakis are liars and backstabbers and have been stealing U.S. aid money to support regional terrorism for years. What I love is that the Paklstanis were alerted we wanted to conduct a mission in Pakistani territory, but they had NO IDEA we were about to murder OBL!!!lolol!


Think about it, OBL was living in a fortified mansion mere miles away from the pre-eminent Pakistani military academy and approximately 60 miles from the capitol of Islamabad.

Those fuckers were sheltering and harboring this asshole, all while smiling in our faces claiming they were doing their utmost to help find OBL.

We should drop a bomb on those pricks.

US political philosophy 101. I hope you never get near the seat of power.

[onmyknees]

Thanks for your consistently cool and objective contributions here Kelly. Refreshing after the unbridled blood lust of so many others.

Al Qaeda is a terrorist franchise. It will continue without him. Get used to that fact folks.

Man...stand up and get off your knees dude....LOL I mean really....I like Kelly and lots of other ladies on here, and agree with them much of the time on lots of different issues, and it's cool to tell them that.... but you're batting 100%. It's almost like an auto reply !!!!! :?:

[robertlouis]

lol tx how did ya know i was gone?did ya miss me lol,by the way im so pissed at pakastan right now,they let this prick stay in a safe house 1000 yards across from a military check point and kept him in hiding for how long?these assholes need to come clean or obama needs to drop a few bombs on these pricks and show him exactly whos in charge cause right now pakastan has and always will be the home base of all terrerist period.for the record i have complete hatred for pakastan and all its people who support bin laden and there hatred for the western world fuck them fuck the packies and fuck you bin laden.

Listen to yourself Lisa - you sound like a western Bin Laden.

So you're advocating bombing the largest muslim country in the world, killing 100s of thousands of innocent people? Yep, that'll gain respect and make the rest of the world love the west, and put an end to terrorism for ever. Grow up.

[robertlouis]

Man...stand up and get off your knees dude....LOL I mean really....I like Kelly and lots of other ladies on here, and agree with them much of the time on lots of different issues, and it's cool to tell them that.... but you're batting 100%. It's almost like an auto reply !!!!! :?:

She's one of the few cool voices in this topic. I've been quite sickened by some of the posts here and it's almost a relief to come across someone speaking sense.

[nevada64]

Listen to yourself Lisa - you sound like a western Bin Laden.

So you're advocating bombing the largest muslim country in the world, killing 100s of thousands of innocent people? Yep, that'll gain respect and make the rest of the world love the west, and put an end to terrorism for ever. Grow up.

Robertlouis,
You may or may not be surprised to hear, that Lisa sounds like so many Americans I come across and work with. I too am an American, but don't agree with their views. Start another war? For one, how would we pay for it? Enough with the Rambo attitude and kicking and bombing ass all over the world. Can we be a bit more cerebral in our actions kids?

[robertlouis]

Robertlouis,
You may or may not be surprised to hear, that Lisa sounds like so many Americans I come across and work with. I too am an American, but don't agree with their views. Start another war? For one, how would we pay for it? Enough with the Rambo attitude and kicking and bombing ass all over the world. Can we be a bit more cerebral in our actions kids?

She's not a typical Canadian, that's for sure! :)

[nevada64]

She's not a typical Canadian, that's for sure! :)

Very American however. I have a friend in Oregon whom sounds like her and others here, and I'm at the point I can't even communicate with him any longer. I try to avoid any conversation about Obama or politics, but he brings it up just too stir things up with me. He is an ultra conservative (he calls himself that) and what we call a "Bushy". Hates Obama and loves Bush. :screwy. These people perplex me beyond belief.

Cheers mate. :cheers:

[maaarc]

It would not be difficult mein Fuhrer! de solution to dieser problem ist actually quite zimple. vie construct de "ethnoboom" die boom vill contain a biological agent which vill target genetic traits present und die Arab populations
Die infectous agent could be easy spread by spraying der organisms into der air or putting zem und zie wasser supplies.


Mein Führer! I can walk!

[robertlouis]

Very American however. I have a friend in Oregon whom sounds like her and others here, and I'm at the point I can't even communicate with him any longer. I try to avoid any conversation about Obama or politics, but he brings it up just too stir things up with me. He is an ultra conservative (he calls himself that) and what we call a "Bushy". Hates Obama and loves Bush. :screwy. These people perplex me beyond belief.

Cheers mate. :cheers:

Good to find a kindred spirit - I had to work with some real racist republican arseholes when I worked in Texas, so I know what you mean. It's worth observing that despite the suffering in London on 7/7 and the umpteen close things we've had since, the mood in the UK today has been generally muted and reflective, certainly none of the triumphalism or scary bloodlust emanating from the US.

[nevada64]

Good to find a kindred spirit - I had to work with some real racist republican arseholes when I worked in Texas, so I know what you mean. It's worth observing that despite the suffering in London on 7/7 and the umpteen close things we've had since, the mood in the UK today has been generally muted and reflective, certainly none of the triumphalism or scary bloodlust emanating from the US.


Muted and reflective are not in their vocabularies unfortunately.

[robertlouis]

Muted and reflective are not in their vocabularies unfortunately.

Yes, makes you relieved that Cheney and Rumsfeld are well away from the levers of power on a day like this.

[nevada64]

Yes, makes you relieved that Cheney and Rumsfeld are well away from the levers of power on a day like this.

Yes.

Weren't those two a lovely pair?

[Jericho]

It's worth observing that despite the suffering in London on 7/7 and the umpteen close things we've had since, the mood in the UK today has been generally muted and reflective, certainly none of the triumphalism or scary bloodlust emanating from the US.

I'm saving mine for when that other terrorist, Thatcher, shuffles off! :shrug

[robertlouis]

I'm saving mine for when that other terrorist, Thatcher, shuffles off! :shrug

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

I'll join you in the queue to dance on her grave, mate!

[Jericho]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

I'll join you in the queue to dance on her grave, mate!


Lets hope she doesn't get buried at sea! :hide-1:

[slipperyfeet]

George Bluth Sr. found him and told Obama's people

[nevada64]

Lets hope she doesn't get buried at sea! :hide-1:

They should bury her with Reagan...

[robertlouis]

They should bury her with Reagan...

Oops.

Duck pal - incoming........ :hide-1::hide-1::hide-1:

[nevada64]

Oops.

Duck pal - incoming........ :hide-1::hide-1::hide-1:

I saw it coming before I wrote the words...

[nonnonnon]

yes, maybe if we ignore militants they'll get bored and go away

[nevada64]

yes, maybe if we ignore militants they'll get bored and go away

I believe that was Bush's view and actions regarding Bin Laden.

[MrsKellyPierce]

yawn

[theone1982]

*Sigh*...

[robertlouis]

yawn

Well, whatever it was that caused it, the stupidity has finally stopped. Phew

[yodajazz]

My experience with you, among others, is that you make statements about a political party's members and then act surprised when any member of said party who does not fit into your preconceived notions of their interests or beliefs corrects you. When you say "Republicans care more about money than their fellow man", you are speaking about all Republicans. If that is not your intent, then you should choose your words more carefully.

As to the rest of what you say, I am not at all surprised. We don't have the ability to conduct military operations without the risk of civilian casualties, so while it is unfortunate that any innocent parties would lose their lives in a hunt for scumbag terrorists, that is and has always been the reality. I'm happy enough bin Laden is dead, and if at all possible would prefer to leave political posturing to one of the several other threads already mired in foolishness as opposed to bringing that nonsense here with criticisms of opinions espoused in those unrelated threads and postings with oversized graphics indicating my distaste for select news outlets.

Upon review, I could have worded it better. I could have said, "some or many Republicans hold positions that place money above their fellow man, such as in the healthcare issue. Human situations, got lost with the focus, taxes and finance." Not that two wrongs make a right, but I often hear phrases like, "Liberals think ...", without qualifying they mean, that some have that tendency, etc. People like Rush, come to mind when I hear such words. I did state in replys, in another thread, that I did not mean all Republicans, by the way. I am one of many people, who believe that the greatest issues are nation face today, are related to the predictions that Eisenhower said in his farewell speech. I posted the vid of his speech here on an HA thread, but I guess you might consider him to be a radical leftist.

[robertlouis]

Upon review, I could have worded it better. I could have said, "some or many Republicans hold positions that place money above their fellow man, such as in the healthcare issue. Human situations, got lost with the focus, taxes and finance." Not that two wrongs make a right, but I often hear phrases like, "Liberals think ...", without qualifying they mean, that some have that tendency, etc. People like Rush, come to mind when I hear such words. I did state in replys, in another thread, that I did not mean all Republicans, by the way. I am one of many people, who believe that the greatest issues are nation face today, are related to the predictions that Eisenhower said in his farewell speech. I posted the vid of his speech here on an HA thread, but I guess you might consider him to be a radical leftist.

Any remaining spirit of a single and non-partisan vision for America died with Ike and was replaced by fear, paranoia and hate under Nixon. You could argue that it has deteriorated further ever since.

[natina]

US official: Bin Laden skull blown apart
By EILEEN SULLIVAN
Associated Press


(AP) -- A U.S. official says Osama bin Laden was shot above his left eye, blowing away part of his skull.
The precision kill shot was delivered by a member of Navy's elite SEAL Team Six during a pre-dawn raid Monday on bin Laden's hideout in Pakistan.
Photos of bin Laden's injuries were transmitted to Washington as proof that the mission was a success. The administration wasn't releasing the photos Monday.:wiggle::party:


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BIN_LADEN_INJURIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-05-02-19-22-42

[robertlouis]

US official: Bin Laden skull blown apart
By EILEEN SULLIVAN
Associated Press



What??? Eileen Sullivan blew his head off? That's what it says lol.

[sexualexplorer]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

I'll join you in the queue to dance on her grave, mate!

Talking of dancing on graves, would anyone care to join me when I dance like a dervish on that of that f***ing uber-puritan bitch, Harriet Harman? For those of you who wonder why I suggest you research her attempts to push prostitution further down the road to absolute illegality in the Policing And Crime Act 2009:

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http://www.prostitutescollective.net/

I think we could make quite a party of it.

[TJ347]

Upon review, I could have worded it better. I could have said, "some or many Republicans hold positions that place money above their fellow man, such as in the healthcare issue. Human situations, got lost with the focus, taxes and finance." Not that two wrongs make a right, but I often hear phrases like, "Liberals think ...", without qualifying they mean, that some have that tendency, etc. People like Rush, come to mind when I hear such words. I did state in replys, in another thread, that I did not mean all Republicans, by the way. I am one of many people, who believe that the greatest issues are nation face today, are related to the predictions that Eisenhower said in his farewell speech. I posted the vid of his speech here on an HA thread, but I guess you might consider him to be a radical leftist.

Actually, I'm almost certainly just as guilty of not always qualifying my comments, so let's just agree to move on from that argument. As to Eisenhower, I'm not the type to simply write him off as a leftist who has nothing to say worth listening to, nor would I do that if you referenced someone who's opinion on an issue I was not already familiar with. I'm far from a hardline conservative, particularly on social issues. There are some issues on which I am sure we would be in 100% agreement. I believe that it is on these issues we should focus in this country rather than those which are most contentious, if only because in doing that I expect that we would be more civil when discussions of those more contentious issues came around. However, this is a thread about bin Laden's death, so I will leave enough said about anything else to another thread from here on out.

[tvkim]

Oh no..... he can't be dead..... that means no more "bin-liner" jokes!

Also, I think Nasa should send a manned mission to the moon and paint on it a huge "we got the fucker ha ha" so all his supporters can see it every night!!

[giovanni_hotel]

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg618/scaled.php?tn=0&server=618&filename=swutk.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

[Avers]

>Paranoia because you personally didn't see it happen

No way. The key problem is that all these things happened too fast for an event of this kind. The world has never seen his body. And that’s really strange. Because the USA never respect any laws (including islamic laws) if they want manifest theirs victory to the whole world. You could be sure that the real OBL’s body should be presented for everyone observation in W-DC as the sign of USA military triumph. But this time the USA did the best to finish this story as fast as it was possible. And that’s strange.


The second evident key factor is that the body of OBL was “engraved” at the sea. USA pretend that it was made with objective to avoid the creation of the cult of this terrorist in islamic world. But the reality is much more simple. Or the coffin was empty, or the body in this coffin was not the body of OBL. And any DNA expert research could prove it in a future if the body was placed into the usual grave. That’s why the body was “engraved” at the sea. To hide the truth. Now nobody can make DNA identification in a future to prove that this person was not OBL. Because the body and the grave don’t exist anymore.


Well, there are also at least 12 key moments like this that can identify the mistification of USA in this case, but I see no reason to develop these ideas here.


>They're watching an unedited preview screening of Diarrhea Bukkake.

The liars. That’s not the first time in theirs lives and not the last one. On-line game / show specially made for USA president and for his colleagues. On-line report. That’s really stupid as the joke and as the public show.

[Ben]

All Those Operational Details the Obama Administration Gave About the bin Laden Raid? Maybe They Weren't Quite True. (http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/03/all-those-operation-details-th)

Peter Suderman (http://reason.com/people/peter-suderman) | May 3, 2011
http://reason.com/assets/mc/psuderman/2011_05/obama-sit-room.png



What a difference a day makes. Yesterday: Obama administration officials said an armed Osama bin Laden was shot and killed in a firefight while using one of his wives as a human shield. The wife, we were told, was also killed in the process.
Today: Maybe bin Laden wasn't armed. Or using the woman as a human shield. And, well, she wasn't actually his wife. Also, um, she didn't die. But aside from that...
From The New York Times (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/white-house-corrects-bin-laden-narrative/?hp):
The new Defense Department narrative released by the White House, and read at a White House news briefing on Tuesday, said that one of Bin Laden’s wives was shot in the leg as she charged members of the commando team on the third floor of the compound.
“In the room with Bin Laden, a woman – Bin Laden’s wife – rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed,” the brief statement said. “Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed.”
Jay Carney, the White House press secretary, read the narrative in an attempt to correct statements by administration officials who had suggested that Bin Laden was armed during the raid.
Under questioning, Mr. Carney said that the White House stood by its claim on Monday that Bin Laden had resisted capture, but said that “resistance does not require a firearm.” Mr. Carney said that the new narrative was the result of “fresh” information.
...On Monday, John O. Brennan, the top counterterrorism adviser to President Obama, said he believed that Bin Laden’s wife had been killed while trying to shield the terror leader during the 40-minute raid.
But the narrative released Tuesday by Mr. Carney suggested that the woman who died in the raid was part of another family living at the compound. The narrative says that woman was shot and killed on the first floor, not the third floor, where Bin Laden was found and killed.
Let's assume, for the moment, that no bad faith was involved in the initial transmission of these unfortunate untruths, and that it was all a result of a misunderstanding, not a deliberate plan to spread a convenient story about bin Laden dying a particularly pathetic death. As anyone who's ever played a game of telephone knows, it's tough enough to get a bunch of people sitting in a room next to each other to keep a story straight; in the fog of kinetic military action, it's surely even tougher.
But that's the point: This sort of revision should be a reminder to anyone tempted to take the official story at face value before it's been independently reported and verified. It's easy to ignore the fact that the vast majority of the details reported about the raid came via the usually-talking-point-filled mouths of administration sources, not from firsthand accounts, independent reports, or documentation. All we know is what various senior officials said happened, not what actually happened. This is why it would be helpful for the administration to release documentation—images, video, audio, whatever—that can verify the official account of the raid. But so far, they're not even saying exactly how Obama and other White House officials tracked the operation's progress, only that they followed along in real time.
The administration deserves a small amount of credit for willingly issuing what amounts to an embarrassing correction—but only a small amount. If you're going to stand in front of the world as senior representatives of the United States government and confidently assert that some historic event happened in some particular way, then you'd better be certain you've got your story straight. By failing to get basic who, what, and where information right the first time around, the administration has undermined its own credibility on what ought to have been a straightforward victory and arguably made it easier for the inevitable conspiracy theories to spread. Good for them for correcting their mistakes. But they should've gotten it right the first time around.

[hippifried]

Ben,

You haven't posted anything from "the Obama administration". Just would-be reporters, supposedly quoting unnamed sources. Now I'm not accusing anybody of lying. Just embellishing a bit. For all anybody knows, that "Whitehouse official" could easily be the official janitor. Probably not though. The Whitehouse janitorial staff have integrity.

[Ben]

Ben,

You haven't posted anything from "the Obama administration". Just would-be reporters, supposedly quoting unnamed sources. Now I'm not accusing anybody of lying. Just embellishing a bit. For all anybody knows, that "Whitehouse official" could easily be the official janitor. Probably not though. The Whitehouse janitorial staff have integrity.

YouTube - Press Secretary Jay Carney "He resisted but was unarmed" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXbnhoT065Q)

[Ben]

YouTube - Bin Laden Euphoria and Wild West Justice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHzNklE1lF0)

YouTube - Thom Hartmann: Did the Taliban offer to turn Bin Laden in? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVXNC6s5ld8)

[Stavros]

When its clear that nobody can explain precisely what happened a few days ago you wonder how anyone can answer an essay question like 'Why did Germany go to war in 1914'?

The US administration, the military, the intelligence community have not co-ordinated their 'stories' if they could -it is all ripe for 'correction', 're-writing' and so on, none of which obscures the brutal truth -OBL is dead. I dont know if they decided not to arrest him whatever, if the Ak-47 and Russian pistol nearby was a genuine threat, if OBL was too tall to fit in the helicopter, etc etc. Reality is a messy business, but I do not mourn the death of OBL, or Saddam Hussein. It also removes the problem of who, in the US would try OBL -a military tribunal or criminal court? In asymmetric warfare, someone like OBL is clearly some form of accessory to the 9/11 crime, but the 'soldiers' were on the plane and are dead, and OBL, Zawahiri are not conventional 'commanders'. The overall issue, justice for the victims, remains unresolved.

[Prospero]

All together now....

YouTube - The Wizard of Oz - Ding Dong the Witch is Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5iseJJ5ogA&feature=fvwrel)

[natina]

PROOF OF THE RAID
WARNING!:THE MOST GRAPHIC
WARNING!:THE MOST GRAPHIC

http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)
http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)
http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)
http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)

WARNING!:THE MOST GRAPHIC
WARNING!:THE MOST GRAPHIC

WARNING!:THE MOST GRAPHIC
WARNING!:THE MOST GRAPHIC

http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)
http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)
http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)
http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound)



http://www.yiddelenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Bin-Ladens-daughter-says-she-watched-killing-150x150.jpg


http://www.yiddelenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bin-laden-death-scene-photos-3-136x106.jpg

[Prospero]

Natina your postings are utterly enraging.... the same thing over and over again

[Silcc69]

WTF is up with this?

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/11/13_Laden.html

[TJ347]

Natina your postings are utterly enraging.... the same thing over and over again

I think they're absolutely SPAMTASTIC!

[Ben]

Published on Saturday, May 7, 2011 by Guernica Magazine (http://www.guernicamag.com/blog/2652/noam_chomsky_my_reaction_to_os/) My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death


We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic.

by Noam Chomsky (http://www.commondreams.org/noam-chomsky)

It’s increasingly clear that the operation was a planned assassination, multiply violating elementary norms of international law. There appears to have been no attempt to apprehend the unarmed victim, as presumably could have been done by 80 commandos facing virtually no opposition—except, they claim, from his wife, who lunged towards them. In societies that profess some respect for law, suspects are apprehended and brought to fair trial. I stress “suspects.” In April 2002, the head of the FBI, Robert Mueller, informed the press that after the most intensive investigation in history, the FBI could say no more than that it “believed” that the plot was hatched in Afghanistan, though implemented in the UAE and Germany. What they only believed in April 2002, they obviously didn’t know 8 months earlier, when Washington dismissed tentative offers by the Taliban (how serious, we do not know, because they were instantly dismissed) to extradite bin Laden if they were presented with evidence—which, as we soon learned, Washington didn’t have. Thus Obama was simply lying when he said, in his White House statement, that “we quickly learned that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by al Qaeda.”
Nothing serious has been provided since. There is much talk of bin Laden’s “confession,” but that is rather like my confession that I won the Boston Marathon. He boasted of what he regarded as a great achievement.
There is also much media discussion of Washington’s anger that Pakistan didn’t turn over bin Laden, though surely elements of the military and security forces were aware of his presence in Abbottabad. Less is said about Pakistani anger that the U.S. invaded their territory to carry out a political assassination. Anti-American fervor is already very high in Pakistan, and these events are likely to exacerbate it. The decision to dump the body at sea is already, predictably, provoking both anger and skepticism in much of the Muslim world.
We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic. Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin Laden’s, and he is not a “suspect” but uncontroversially the “decider” who gave the orders to commit the “supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole” (quoting the Nuremberg Tribunal) for which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country, the bitter sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region.
There’s more to say about [Cuban airline bomber Orlando] Bosch, who just died peacefully in Florida, including reference to the “Bush doctrine” that societies that harbor terrorists are as guilty as the terrorists themselves and should be treated accordingly. No one seemed to notice that Bush was calling for invasion and destruction of the U.S. and murder of its criminal president.
Same with the name, Operation Geronimo. The imperial mentality is so profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that they are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous resistance against genocidal invaders. It’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.”
There is much more to say, but even the most obvious and elementary facts should provide us with a good deal to think about.
© 2011 Noam Chomsky

[Ben]

YouTube - Revealed: Amanpour Knew Bin Laden in Pakistani Villa in 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xPji2TJ5AU)

YouTube - Was Osama bin Laden's Compound Really a Pakistani Prison? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ0ebDi3zFs)

[robertlouis]

80 young and innocent Pakistani army recruits were killed today in two suicide attacks hailed by the Taliban as revenge for the assassination of Bin Laden, with promises of more to come. His killing was entirely symbolic, despite the feelings of closure many felt on hearing of his death.

The cycle continues. The man is dead but the hate lives on.

[yodajazz]

80 young and innocent Pakistani army recruits were killed today in two suicide attacks hailed by the Taliban as revenge for the assassination of Bin Laden, with promises of more to come. His killing was entirely symbolic, despite the feelings of closure many felt on hearing of his death.

The cycle continues. The man is dead but the hate lives on.

You are exactly right. The real strategy should be to fight the hate itself. Live and let live, so to speak. The real kicker to this is that fighting hate, is at the core of Christ's teachings. It just seems to be that many followers of Christ, have trouble with the one thing, he commanded us to do: Love God, neighbor, and self. In short, Love.

I see people hating Islam, rather than holding the persons themsleves accountable, to be an accepted state among many. Some primary understanding it's messages, would teach that the Koran still gives the person the choice to choose between principles. I mean this is true with every religion/philosophy. So its not the ethinic/religious group, that should be hated. You can hate an individual's actions, but you should 'love' mankind. An easy tool, is to see as much of yourself in others. as you can.

We should consider fighting hate itself. Its the right fight, to make things right.

[yodajazz]

80 young and innocent Pakistani army recruits were killed today in two suicide attacks hailed by the Taliban as revenge for the assassination of Bin Laden, with promises of more to come. His killing was entirely symbolic, despite the feelings of closure many felt on hearing of his death.

The cycle continues. The man is dead but the hate lives on.

I think it was wrong for Al Queda to kill 80 army recruits , in revenge over Bin Laden's death. For all we, or thier killers know, their job may have been to protect Bin Laden, once they were trained. You never know. But it goes back to looking at person's actions. An operation that killed that many people would have had to be extensively planned. So a logical conclusion, is that it was planned before Bin Laden's death. They just used that as an excuse for something that was already planned. Ideas live beyond bodies. So Bin Laden's body, and ideas of war a separate things to pursue.

[hippifried]

You can't "fight" hatred any more that you can "fight" any other mental illness. Hatred & fighting go hand in hand. They feed & expand each other.

What's really needed is a rethink of the mindset. We're stuck in a war motif. We don't think twice about declaring war on every problem. Huh? Everything we do is geared as a fight. Why? Are we enemies? Is everybody everybody else's enemy? Of course not. Then why are we thinking like this. Why is a fight the first thing that pops into our heads or comes out of our mouths when looking at trying to solve problems? I thought we lived in a society. When looking for solutions, shouldn't our first thought be about cooperative effort? Just seems like more would get done.

[yodajazz]

I dont think that hate can be wiped out. But it could be diminished with specific types of effort, mostly media kind of stuff. I look at it this way: racism against Black Americans still exists, but at least it is not as socially acceptable as it once was. Some of it is just promoting understanding, over ignorance.

An example would be understanding of the term "infidels" used in the Koran. Contrary to what many people think, this term does not apply to Christian's and Jews, in the Koran. But when it is translated into English, it can have a different meaning; meaning those who are not Christians. So thus, when English speaking people, see a translated Koran verse, they can easily get the wrong understanding. Then this wrong understand is passed along to others. It's a very important area to understand. If you believe that one's (Muslims) religious texts are telling them to fight and kill you, because of your faith, it has important consequences on your world views. If there are Muslims using the term in the Christian definition, they are doing it inspite of the Koran, not because of it.

I suggest the Wikipedia discussion of the term, regarding Islam, for those that want a reference.

[hippifried]

None of this is about religion. Irrational hatred isn't a religious function. You can't explain reality to an irrational person & expect them to become rational. Dwelling on minutiae, like he meaning of words, won't solve anything. A rational person will look at the context anyway. You don't need to understand the tenets & dogma of a religion to choose not to hate the people who believe it. A rational person, regardless of beliefs, knows that any belief has to be a conscious choice, & can't be forced. Religion just bcomes a stimulent, to fanaticize what would normally be a political cause. You're still only going to get so many of the adherents. That's why alQaeda has maybe a couple thousand members out of way over a billion Muslims, & they're recruiting in the middle of a foreign occupied war zone.

Hatred is a manifestation of fear. There's irrational fear & hatred, & the assholes who promote it, in every grouping of people. How do you "fight" that? Who's the enemy? A group will tend to defend their own against attack, & that's why the fight motif can't work against hatred. That attitude just exacerbates the problem because you have to attack every grouping of people. Even your own. You're trying to open a can of whoopass on the entire planet. You're tilting at windmills. Time to look at other strategies. Other tactics if nothing else. This ain't workin', & the fear/hate promoters are getting louder. Most people are rational & reasonable. Expose the hate promotions for what they are & reasonable people won't get sucked in.

[yodajazz]

I think that we basically agree. And you are absolutely correct to connect hatred with fear. When I spoke of "fighting hate", I meant using what I call, 'opposing forces', such as those you referred to such as understanding, and rationality. I would also include promoting love, as a general principle, especially since this is was the only thing that Jesus commanded us to do.

I also agree with you that most people are reasonable and rational. However it does seem to me that poorer and less educated people are more prone to be persuaded by faulty and emotional arguments. Seems to me I see lots of that, in the volatile Middle East. A recent story about unrest in Egypt comes to mind. Someone told a crowd of Muslims that a Christian was firing on them. But there was no indication that this was actually true; that is, it was really a Christian. And then why? There were rumors of Christian women, who had converted to Islam being kidnapped, presumedly, by their Christian husbands. And the article did state, in one case, the women appeared on television to deny she had been kidnapped. But the result of the unrest was, that Muslims (apparently), burned down a Christian church. But so many of the readers comments, seem to see it as a purely religious issue, rather than a more in-depth analysis. So the issue of misunderstanding is not limited to the Middle East.

My major disagreement with your post, is when you said that "none of it is about religion". (But I suspect, you were using a hyperbole). I would say, that it is more about other things, than it is about religion. A major view that I hold, is that religions are philosophies, and they are all about ideas. Ideas are best influence by other ideas, often within the same philosophy. This does not require that a person suspend their belief in thier religion. It simply requires them to reframe, their understanding, often using the rational arguments, you referred to.

[DirtyDon]

That was a great day. I celebrate whenever I recall it.

[Prospero]

How about the "Franklin D Roosevelt" is dead thread next, ditydon... as you continue your archaeology

[trish]

I fight the temptation to celebrate anyone's death. The suggestion reminds me of reports that Palestinians danced in the streets in celebration of the collapse of the Twin Towers. It also recalls the gloating (even on these boards) when the U.S. Marines were forced to kill three pirates to save Captain Phillips' life in 2009. In all likelihood the world is better off without Osama bin Laden. I'm certainly not mourning his death, nor celebrating his life. Let's just let his memory live in ignominy.

One guy I wouldn't mind seeing tortured a bit is the infamous "shoe-bomber," for the crime of making my time spent in airports as miserable as possible. If I were his warden, I'd have him take off his shoes and put them back on again while standing, over and over and over and over again all day long, seven days a week, three-hundred-and-sixty-five days a year with no bathroom or prayer breaks. One time for each of the billions of people in world who has to go through this useless ritual just because of him.

[Prospero]

is he still dead?

[trish]

is he still dead?
No. On the third day he rose again.

[Dino Velvet]

Driving a tow truck in Sherman Oaks pretending to be Persian now.

Madtv - Mofaz the Depressed Persian Tow Truck Driver (Michael McDonald).. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBJtp7ieRqs)