Would you start a relationship with a Escort

[Boardwalkempire]

I personally would never...how about you?

I met a transsexual today who is very sexy in my eyes but she escort so Its a No Go for me.

[theone1982]

I personally would never...how about you?

I met a transsexual today who is very sexy in my eyes but she escort so Its a No Go for me.
I can see both sides of the argument. However, I don't think someone should be denied relationships just because they escort. But, it would be difficult to know someone you care about is with many other people sexually for money. It's kind of a tough issue really, no easy answers.

[Infern0]

Well, ill probably get flamed for this but.....

I WOULD but ONLY if she never escorted again, that would be my terms, take it or leave it.

I don't use escorts, never have, never will so no i wouldnt be cool with some punk shagging my missus for money.

[ilovetrees]

I can see both sides of the argument. However, I don't think someone should be denied relationships just because they escort. But, it would be difficult to know someone you care about is with many other people sexually for money. It's kind of a tough issue really, no easy answers.

I agree with this statement. It'd be difficult if you can't imagine sex without love. If I really liked spending time with this person and she was more then a pretty face to me then why wouldn't I at least give it a try?

[Infern0]

I agree with this statement. It'd be difficult if you can't imagine sex without love. If I really liked spending time with this person and she was more then a pretty face to me then why wouldn't I at least give it a try?

if you give it a go, i see jealousy in your future

good luck though

[Dino Velvet]

Probably not but definitely not if she's still turnin' tricks. Not sharing my woman with anyone.

[nonnonnon]

Probably not but definitely not if she's still turnin' tricks. Not sharing my woman with anyone.

not even me?

[Dino Velvet]

not even me?

Not answering until I see funhole pic.

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

Would you date a female escort?

Would you date a male escort?

Or whatever sexual preferrence you have.

It's the same as dating a transexual escort.

When a person becomes a sex worker, unfortunately it cuts off their potential to have a regular boyfriend/girlfriend or eventually a family.

It's the choice that people wanting to enter the industry have to take. Often taken extremely light heartedly and without future consideration.

''Hey hunni, how was your day?''

''Good thanx babygirl, i sealed a great deal for the company today and might get a bonus! How about yours?''

''Erm, not so good, bit tired i think, didnt get a chance to make any dinner, got fucked in my arse by two clients and it's a bit sore now so with the other one i demanded that i fuck him and he didnt want it, so he was being a fag and asking for his money back.''

[Infern0]

Would you date a female escort?

Would you date a male escort?

Or whatever sexual preferrence you have.

It's the same as dating a transexual escort.

When a person becomes a sex worker, unfortunately it cuts off their potential to have a regular boyfriend/girlfriend or eventually a family.

It's the choice that people wanting to enter the industry have to take. Often taken extremely light heartedly and without future consideration.

''Hey hunni, how was your day?''

''Good thanx babygirl, i sealed a great deal for the company today and might get a bonus! How about yours?''

''Erm, not so good, bit tired i think, didnt get a chance to make any dinner, got fucked in my arse by two clients and it's a bit sore now so with the other one i demanded that i fuck him and he didnt want it, so he was being a fag and asking for his money back.''

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[MdR Dave]

Never say never- you don't know that yet.

If you like these girls, and actually meet them, chances are there is one you'll want to see socially. Are you going to deny yourself the chance?

You don't see escorts? It is to laugh.

Run the numbers- either you've never been with a TS, the girls you have seen are lying to you, or you've been incredibly, statistically impossibly lucky and met the rare girl who has never before escorted, is currently not escorting, and has no need to ever escort.

I'm gonna leave porn actresses out of this. I don't even consider how or if we rationalize the difference there.

[Infern0]

Never say never- you don't know that yet.

If you like these girls, and actually meet them, chances are there is one you'll want to see socially. Are you going to deny yourself the chance?

You don't see escorts? It is to laugh.

Run the numbers- either you've never been with a TS, the girls you have seen are lying to you, or you've been incredibly, statistically impossibly lucky and met the rare girl who has never before escorted, is currently not escorting, and has no need to ever escort.

I'm gonna leave porn actresses out of this. I don't even consider how or if we rationalize the difference there.

In English?

[bulldog]

I could, as I have had open relationships in the past where I have allowed her to see other guys (no it didnt go both ways, because I didnt want it to) was mainly due to distance, but I didnt have a problem with it at all, because I knew that although passion was involved, love was not, there is a difference, just as you can make love to someone and you can fuck someone, one usually means a hell of a lot less emotional involvement.

[MdR Dave]

In English?

Funny, but meaningless.

[Prospero]

What do you mean by a relationship? Do you mean embark on a romance with the expectation of a long term relationship - or have a fling? The latter is entirely feasible. I've done it. Of course there are no walls that separate that off from the possibility of it turning into something deeper. but the relationships i've had with a couple of escorts never did because the escorting prevented it from turning serious (for me). Once we got into something meaningful they'd have to give up that aspect of their lives. I never asked for that and it was never offered and so once the fire burned low, we split. Making people give up their career (even as a sex worker) some might see as tough. If your partner is an economist or a supermarket shelf stacker or a nurse or whatever, you wouldn't expect them to forsake their work (unless they wanted to) for you. But sex work and an emotional and sexual relationship are hard things to mix.

I wonder if any escort girls here have ever managed to combine a really meaningful and rewarding emotional relationship with fucking strangers as a day job? And of course their is the age-old cliche about being the guy who 'saves the hooker from her way of life."

There are one or two Tgirls who purport to have "husbands." who seem to know what they do. That must be tough.

[kensterling]

I have been a male escort for 12 years. It does not seem possible to have a on-going serious relationship with someone while in the biz. The only relationships that work (from my experience) are with others in the industry (stripper, porn, escort, etc). If you are not in this biz, you don't understand. Just the way it is. It's not a judgement on those not in, but you really have to be in it to understand the mentality. I don't blame "civilians" for not wanting relationships with us. It's not easy by "regular" standards.
I gave up on dating civilians, it just does not work for me. It always comes back to the escorting. Only date others in the biz now.
Another thing that those outside the biz might not understand is, you do build relationships with some clients. I know it seems hard to believe. But I have been seeing some guys for 10 years and I def consider them friends. I know they pay me, and they are not inviting me over for xmas dinner, but there is a relationship that builds up from trust or whatever you want to call it. Sometimes you just get along with clients, that simple. Does not fill the void of a relationship, but it does help.
Perhaps other escorts can give their opinion on my statements?
Thanks all for listening.

[Infern0]

I have been a male escort for 12 years. It does not seem possible to have a on-going serious relationship with someone while in the biz. The only relationships that work (from my experience) are with others in the industry (stripper, porn, escort, etc). If you are not in this biz, you don't understand. Just the way it is. It's not a judgement on those not in, but you really have to be in it to understand the mentality. I don't blame "civilians" for not wanting relationships with us. It's not easy by "regular" standards.
I gave up on dating civilians, it just does not work for me. It always comes back to the escorting. Only date others in the biz now.
Another thing that those outside the biz might not understand is, you do build relationships with some clients. I know it seems hard to believe. But I have been seeing some guys for 10 years and I def consider them friends. I know they pay me, and they are not inviting me over for xmas dinner, but there is a relationship that builds up from trust or whatever you want to call it. Sometimes you just get along with clients, that simple. Does not fill the void of a relationship, but it does help.
Perhaps other escorts can give their opinion on my statements?
Thanks all for listening.

Did any escorts consider "getting out" of the business at a certain age, so they could have a relationship?

[kensterling]

I have not considered getting out for relationships sake. But we all know there is an end to this somewhere. You have to at least be working to getting out of escorting. I only see regulars and referals now, as I am involved in a "straight" business. The money is a powerful thing, it provides a certain lifestyle. For me, I think it will be hard to give up, that's why phasing out is my goal.
I just assume that once I'm out then the realtionship thing will work for me, but who knows? But no time line to get out.

[kittyKaiti]

I wouldn't care if a girlfriend or boyfriend worked in the sex industry but the thing with escorting (prostitution) is what kind of diseases they will be bringing home from sleeping around. Surprised that's not an issue for any of you guys. :/

[Ryz]

I wouldn't care if a girlfriend or boyfriend worked in the sex industry but the thing with escorting (prostitution) is what kind of diseases they will be bringing home from sleeping around. Surprised that's not an issue for any of you guys. :/

No one ever really thinks about this till they catch something. I guess that's the only way you'll learn

[Infern0]

I wouldn't care if a girlfriend or boyfriend worked in the sex industry but the thing with escorting (prostitution) is what kind of diseases they will be bringing home from sleeping around. Surprised that's not an issue for any of you guys. :/

It's not an issue because it wouldn't even get to that stage

[kittyKaiti]

No one ever really thinks about this till they catch something. I guess that's the only way you'll learn

Well it's just the one reason I wouldn't have a relationship with one.

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

Never say never- you don't know that yet.

If you like these girls, and actually meet them, chances are there is one you'll want to see socially. Are you going to deny yourself the chance?

You don't see escorts? It is to laugh.

Run the numbers- either you've never been with a TS, the girls you have seen are lying to you, or you've been incredibly, statistically impossibly lucky and met the rare girl who has never before escorted, is currently not escorting, and has no need to ever escort.

I'm gonna leave porn actresses out of this. I don't even consider how or if we rationalize the difference there.

What planet are you on?

This might be a tranny porn forum. But in the real world there are transexuals who have normal jobs, university educated, professional people.

There are far more transexuals who live outside porn and prostitution than there are inside the industry.

How many women escort? When you see guys with hot girls do you assume she's an escort? So why automatically assume it with a transexual?

Sure, there are lots of transexual escorts, transexuals are much more drawn into the industry than regular women are, but that's because of lifestyle, the whole escorting/porn genre puts the transexual on a pedestal, the quickest way she can become a mini 'celebrity' in her little niche. That's why it's so attractive.

But there are other transexuals out there who live totally normal, unclockable lives. Some look bad, some look normal, some look hot. Same with regular women. Some have studied and have university degrees with very good jobs.

The only interaction between most men on here and transexuals is via the sex industry/porn. Needless to say because this is a porn based website that promotes sex workers and the transexual porn niche. But it seems like you think that through this make believe little porn niche, this is all there is to transexual people??

There are thousands of unclockable transexual female 2 male's, as well as thousands of unclockable transexual male 2 female's.

You just dont see them or know of their existance because they dont advertise themselves as a transexual and they live normal regular lives, 9/10 as a straight woman who would like a single monogamous relationship with a straight man and eventually a family.

There are retired pornstars who have gone post op and get married to a guy and live the life of a beautiful woman (something theyve dreamed of). Look at alexia acosta, one of the best looking transexuals ever. She is now a full woman and happily married and in love with her husband. Look at candis cayne (who did not do porn) but is a mainstream actress, holds regular straight relationships, looks fantastic.

These are just examples. There are many many more out there which go under the raydar because they have nothing to do with 'tranny porn'.

[lovablebear39]

i would not

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

Well it's just the one reason I wouldn't have a relationship with one.

A very good reason as well.

Statistically transexual sex workers are at the highest risk from disease.

The statistics do not lie.

This alone, is probably the most off putting thing about considering dating an active escort.

How many clients per week? let's say 15? Maybe 20? I guess 20 would be a busy week!

Of those 20 clients, who will mostly be regular users who routinely visit lots of other transexual sex workers as well. How many could have diseases?

Of course protection is vital. But even thinking about this is enough to just put most men from considering dating an escort.

I presume that the guys on this board are into men or women as well, not just transexuals? So would they date a male or female escort if given the chance?

[CORVETTEDUDE]

:rock2Start to Finish!!! Mission Complete!:rock2

[Ryz]

Well it's just the one reason I wouldn't have a relationship with one.

How about someone who's in the porn industry

[kittyKaiti]

How about someone who's in the porn industry

I already stated I would. Porn is regulated. Models undergo STD testing every 30 days and once there's an outbreak of something, blacklists start flying. With prostitutes you don't have that guarantee.

[Fitz1600]

I would not!

[Quiet Reflections]

Well, ill probably get flamed for this but.....

I WOULD but ONLY if she never escorted again, that would be my terms, take it or leave it.

I don't use escorts, never have, never will so no i wouldnt be cool with some punk shagging my missus for money. I have to agree 100%

[Richctdude]

probaly not i think the it would be very hard if she was still esorting

[Instrumental]

Nope. Sorry.

[KimberlyBanxxx]

as an escort
I know well enough to NOT pursue a relationship.....

[BigDF]

I already stated I would. Porn is regulated. Models undergo STD testing every 30 days and once there's an outbreak of something, blacklists start flying. With prostitutes you don't have that guarantee.

While disease is certainly an issue, the obvious answer is regular testing, just as is done in the porn industry. Back when I was still single, an older friend suggested that a prostitute would make a good mate because then there's a much better chance that she won't leave for someone else more sexually endowed or skilled. I can see where it might be tough to have a relationship with an escort, especially if you're very indoctrinated in the monogamy thing, which many of us are whether we want to or not. "A promise made is a promise kept" so to speak. I've known a lot of guys who couldn't handle something like that, even though they would sleep around on wives/girlfriends/significant others.

If I was free to pursue a relationship with someone, I might consider an escort so long as there was an emotional connection.

[MdR Dave]

Disease. Right.

FUCK!

[BigDF]

Disease. Right.

FUCK!Actually it's more likely you'll pick up a disease from a casual encounter than a professional sex worker, since most of those tend to be very conscious of the risks.

[Tepres]

Whores are damaged goods... Not relationship material.

[Jericho]

Whores are damaged goods... Not relationship material.


Or....
How to win friends and influence people! :hide-1:

[BellaBellucci]

It's tough out there for a bitch. It's not like most of us consider escorting as our first career choice, but the fact is that sex work is on the rise due to the economic situation.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29824663/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/

... and that's just strippers, and GG's no less (who arguably don't deal with as much adversity as TS women do), and in the end, it's just a job. Sex workers need love too, and the fact that most girls in the business look down upon their clients (whether right or wrong) should be considered evidence that they're not interested in a relationship with one, particularly if they're already in a relationship.

As to STDs, BigDF is right. Most studies point to a higher incidence in the general population than in sex workers due to the awareness and protection factors.

So aside from outdated stereotypes and irrational fears, that whole 'damaged goods' mentality is quite ignorant in my opinion and anyone who adopts it could potentially be missing out on the the best thing that could ever happen to them.

That said though, for people already in the business, the poster who said that people in the business should keep their relationships within the business is probably right. For the most part, there's really nothing morally wrong with sex work in the grand scheme of things unless one is religious, so if one partner in the relationship feels otherwise, it probably wasn't meant to be anyway, and while I sympathize with those who equate sex and love, I just can't agree with them that they're mutually exclusive.

~BB~

[Paulistano]

Very few T-escorts are really happy with their instable, short, promiscuous and sometimes dangerous careers, in my opinion. They are not gonna change worldwide scenario by themselves, coz they are not sufficiently united to get enough power to beat strong discrimination existed against them. Between other several reasons, like educated lower level of majority, when we talk about undeveloped countries like Brazil.

Changes have to be started by other segments of our hypocrite society, opening their minds a little and creating new optional job opportunities to transsexuals, remunerating them exactly the way they do with GGs.

Model agencies are with “wide open eyes” to huge success of some transsexual supermodels on catwalks in this very moment. Exotic transsexual beauty has not only been admired with surprise by investors, but they are figuring out it can be used to get better sells on the competitive market. I went to a restaurant in São Paulo that hired a TS as a waitress, and she is causing a revolutionary growth on client numbers; she is beautiful and everybody wants to be attended by her! Stores in shopping centers are hiring T-girls either, in a slow way.

Initiative has to be started from business men. Discrimination is worse than racism for me, and it’s unacceptable anymore. I know it’s gonna take decades for us to see significant changes, but this is the time to start doing something. I’m sending my collages to Brazilian Model Agencies and Publicity Agencies, for example. Every single one of us can contribute somehow. Just think about it.

[neverforget]

i did. it does not work. i knew i should have walked away when i found out, it was to late love had taken hold. the sadness that came was unbearable. its 2 oppisite worlds trying to coexist. cant be done. then i saw into the world where she lived and i knew then the damage had been done. so many nights i listened to the rationalization of what she did and how it wasnt harming anybody. the male escort that posted here wrapped it up so well. us citizens can not function in that world. oh we say we can look the other way. all b/s. when ur in love and thinking of really going the distance with someone, and then to think they fuck for money, then come to u and pretend its all normal. its the farthest thing from it. and the saddest thing was a quote, u think i get up in the morning and say its a good day to be a whore, the go out and repeat the same behavior over and over? is that the definition of insanity??? it cant work, and guys if its u, walk away asap. it changes you.

[insurgentes]

Start a relationship with an escort ?

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER.

It will simply NOT WORK. It has never worked and it will never work. Point.

[iamdrgonzo]

I'm not really big on hypotheticals, that typed, I could see shacking up with an escort (I have in the past with some gg's).

There are many different types of relationships that spring to mind, such as fuck-friend or just plain old love and each set of individuals will have a different set of circumstances involved so no one answer will suffice.

The chemicals between us (thanks Bush) are surely mysterious in how they drive us one and all, whether consciously or subconsciously, pheromones are a bitch and we are at their mercy.

[Willie Escalade]

I had a relationship with an internet model. The solo stuff I didn't mind, but when she had to work with others, I had a little problem with it. No one likes someone else riding your bike. And yes...she escorted on the side when the site wasn't making much. She didn't hide it from me; she was up front about it. Fortunately it wasn't for long...

[iamdrgonzo]

I had a relationship with an internet model. The solo stuff I didn't mind, but when she had to work with others, I had a little problem with it. No one likes someone else riding your bike. And yes...she escorted on the side when the site wasn't making much. She didn't hide it from me; she was up front about it. Fortunately it wasn't for long...

It is just a very very difficult relationship to keep together especially since:


No one likes someone else riding your bike.

Thats good stuff man.

[rufusmaxwell]

Nope, I don't think it would be possible for me to date a sex worker at all!

[Willie Escalade]

Thats good stuff man.
Those words came from her in fact. She knew how I felt about her working with guys (and girls) for her site...but in order for the site to be popular, it had to be done.

[MdR Dave]

Actually it's more likely you'll pick up a disease from a casual encounter than a professional sex worker, since most of those tend to be very conscious of the risks.

Thanks- that is somewhat reassuring.

[MdR Dave]

. . .could potentially be missing out on the the best thing that could ever happen to them.

~BB~

I'm inclined to agree.

There's a lot of "no, never' in this thread but not a whole lot of explanation that can't be boiled down to "I couldn't handle it."

We don't choose who we love, just what we do about it. I think I'd rather see it play instead of wondering.

Though my thoughts on the matter change with every new fear and back again with every kiss.

The dizzy rides are always the ones I remember the most.

[Boardwalkempire]

A lot of good points out there from a lot of you guys.

Here are my 2 issues on why I personally could not date a sex worker.

#1 I am naturally a jealous type of man. So even if it is emotional and purely psychical it would bother me. That is why I could not also date a person from the porn industry.

#2 STD's. Now In my life I have seen 8 TS Escorts but only had sex with 2 of them. Because of my fear of catching an STD. I have not had sex with one in about a year and got tested recently. So when I do see an escort all I do with them is oral sex, both ways and with a condom. That way I do not have to worry about catching any STD's. It works for me because I do not like the stress lol


So those two reasons are why I could not. I am not here to judge tho. So if it makes you happy then go for it! :)

[argentina2007]

I dated a transgender girl for about six months, she was an escort by profession. It was really difficult when I found out, considering that our relationship was so intense when we first met. Looking back now it must of been a lot harder and more emotionally draining for her than myself.
She had an extremely tough upbringing, left school at 13, some real issues that I honestly couldn't find a reason to fault her for choosing to escort, it was just her giving up on another option that eventually drove us apart.
She suffered from very low confidence issues and refused to see another route in life, when in all honesty she could pursue whatever she wanted at this stage in life.

[theone1982]

A lot of good points out there from a lot of you guys.

Here are my 2 issues on why I personally could not date a sex worker.

#1 I am naturally a jealous type of man. So even if it is emotional and purely psychical it would bother me. That is why I could not also date a person from the porn industry.

#2 STD's. Now In my life I have seen 8 TS Escorts but only had sex with 2 of them. Because of my fear of catching an STD. I have not had sex with one in about a year and got tested recently. So when I do see an escort all I do with them is oral sex, both ways and with a condom. That way I do not have to worry about catching any STD's. It works for me because I do not like the stress lol


So those two reasons are why I could not. I am not here to judge tho. So if it makes you happy then go for it! :)
I agree that the STD issue is some bad mojo. Question though, did you have sex with the two escorts because you were really into the moment and just went for it, or did you just sense that they "cleaner" than the other ones you were with?

[Chris in LA]

Those are two valid points. I don't have a problem being in a relationship with a working girl or a porn star. They are usually great in bed & know exactly what to do to please you, plus I think they appreciate you that much more for being able to understand & deal with their situation.

Plus, do you know the type of perks that come along with being with a porn star or somebody in the sex industry? So much fun...

[Boardwalkempire]

I agree that the STD issue is some bad mojo. Question though, did you have sex with the two escorts because you were really into the moment and just went for it, or did you just sense that they "cleaner" than the other ones you were with?

To be honest the first one I was a senior in high school so I was just being dumb and just went for it..but they both seemed like good people and were really nice to me..


The 2nd Ts would post on her ad when ever she got tested...plus to this day she updates her test dates and posts it on her ad. I still got tested and was clean.

I would never again have sex with an escort again even with a condom...not because it is not safe..but i have an OCD when it comes to these things.

I would rather just do oral and never think about it again..

[Boardwalkempire]

Those are two valid points. I don't have a problem being in a relationship with a working girl or a porn star. They are usually great in bed & know exactly what to do to please you, plus I think they appreciate you that much more for being able to understand & deal with their situation.

Plus, do you know the type of perks that come along with being with a porn star or somebody in the sex industry? So much fun...



True. But the Juice is just not worth the squeeze for me.

[theone1982]

"The 2nd Ts would post on her ad when ever she got tested...plus to this day she updates her test dates and posts it on her ad" Wow! That's what I call service!:) That's too bad about not wanting to have sex with a TS again, maybe some day you'll come around again.:)

[Quiet Reflections]

Those are two valid points. I don't have a problem being in a relationship with a working girl or a porn star. They are usually great in bed & know exactly what to do to please you, plus I think they appreciate you that much more for being able to understand & deal with their situation.

Plus, do you know the type of perks that come along with being with a porn star or somebody in the sex industry? So much fun...
I don't. What are the perks?

[Boardwalkempire]

"The 2nd Ts would post on her ad when ever she got tested...plus to this day she updates her test dates and posts it on her ad" Wow! That's what I call service!:) That's too bad about not wanting to have sex with a TS again, maybe some day you'll come around again.:)


Ya it was awesome. So while I waited to get tested every month there would be a new thing on her ad with a new date...it made me relax lol

HIV/STI NEG 11/01/2010 for example

By the time I got around to getting tested, and got a clean bill of health I stopped checking her ad lol


But I might have sex with a Ts again someday, just not with an escort.
Because of my STD scare, I have been considering just waiting till i am married.. Oral sex works just fine for me to be honest..lol

[theone1982]

Ya it was awesome. So while I waited to get tested every month there would be a new thing on her ad with a new date...it made me relax lol

HIV/STI NEG 11/01/2010 for example

By the time I got around to getting tested, and got a clean bill of health I stopped checking her ad lol


But I might have sex with a Ts again someday, just not with an escort.
Because of my STD scare, I have been considering just waiting till i am married.. Oral sex works just fine for me to be honest..lol
That's cool. If everyone was as professional as her I bet the STD levels in the population would go way down.

[Chris in LA]

I don't. What are the perks?

You're a Rockstar now....

[Boardwalkempire]

That's cool. If everyone was as professional as her I bet the STD levels in the population would go way down.

Also. I am inclined to talk to them to. So I remember one time I was talking to a diffrent ts escort. I asked her how she liked doing it.

She said it was ok and she did not want to do it forever.
She went on to tell me how a lot of guys out there want to fuck her raw with no condom.

I could not believe it. She told me that dudes would double or even tripple her asking price to fuck her with no condom. Thank goodness she said she still did not do it. She said no amount of money is worth her health.

I told her she was a good girl and I was proud of her lol

Its mainly the guys out there who are spreading it, not the transexauls.

[theone1982]

Also. I am inclined to talk to them to. So I remember one time I was talking to a diffrent ts escort. I asked her how she liked doing it.

She said it was ok and she did not want to do it forever.
She went on to tell me how a lot of guys out there want to fuck her raw with no condom.

I could not believe it. She told me that dudes would double or even tripple her asking price to fuck her with no condom. Thank goodness she said she still did not do it. She said no amount of money is worth her health.

I told her she was a good girl and I was proud of her lol

Its mainly the guys out there who are spreading it, not the transexauls.
Oh yeah, I definitely agree with that. Bareback has become pretty festished lately so I'm not surprised that people would pay much more money to do it that way. You have to watch out for the girls who aren't up front that they allow no condoms though.

[Boardwalkempire]

Oh yeah, I definitely agree with that. Bareback has become pretty festished lately so I'm not surprised that people would pay much more money to do it that way. You have to watch out for the girls who aren't up front that they allow no condoms though.

What do you mean allow no condoms?

As in my own condoms or as in no condoms at all

[theone1982]

What do you mean allow no condoms?

As in my own condoms or as in no condoms at all I mean girls who allow no condoms with other men and then don't tell you when you get with them. I was with a TS once and AFTER I got oral and was like two seconds from entering her, she asked if I wanted to go bareback for more money. I said no. Still had sex with her but probably shouldn't have.:(

[Boardwalkempire]

I mean girls who allow no condoms with other men and then don't tell you when you get with them. I was with a TS once and AFTER I got oral and was like two seconds from entering her, she asked if I wanted to go bareback for more money. I said no. Still had sex with her but probably shouldn't have.:(


Wow that Ts is asking to get the virus. I don't understand that.


Dont worry bro. That is the whole point of a condom. To protect you from STDs. If there were no STDs you would not need a condom. So weather you had sex or not the condom is going to do its job.

For me i know using a condom is the safe way to go, i just choose not to have sex because it is a mental thing with me.

I dated a Genetic girl for over 3years. Then about 2years into it for some reason i got the sudden urge to get tested lol Even tho i had been faithful the whole time lol

It just helps me sleep at night i guess lol

[theone1982]

Wow that Ts is asking to get the virus. I don't understand that.


Dont worry bro. That is the whole point of a condom. To protect you from STDs. If there were no STDs you would not need a condom. So weather you had sex or not the condom is going to do its job.

For me i know using a condom is the safe way to go, i just choose not to have sex because it is a mental thing with me.

I dated a Genetic girl for over 3years. Then about 2years into it for some reason i got the sudden urge to get tested lol Even tho i had been faithful the whole time lol

It just helps me sleep at night i guess lol

Yeah, I always wonder though about the condom breaking. I know pregnancies can happen that way, but i have never been quite sure how much more likelier you are to get a STD if it breaks.:confused:

[Boardwalkempire]

Yeah, I always wonder though about the condom breaking. I know pregnancies can happen that way, but i have never been quite sure how much more likelier you are to get a STD if it breaks.:confused:

If the condom breaks its like fucking without a condom.But the chances are lower because you would pull right out vs keeping it in.


I have only had a condom break on me once in my life, and thankfully it was just my neighbor i was having sex with that I have known for like 10 years so i didnt really worry. I coulda had sex with her without a condom because I know her like that. But I wore it for principle reasons and to keep a good habit lol

Also it was one of those cheep condoms. I have never had a trjoan break on me.

[theone1982]

If the condom breaks its like fucking without a condom.But the chances are lower because you would pull right out vs keeping it in.


I have only had a condom break on me once in my life, and thankfully it was just my neighbor i was having sex with that I have known for like 10 years so i didnt really worry. I coulda had sex with her without a condom because I know her like that. But I wore it for principle reasons and to keep a good habit lol

Also it was one of those cheep condoms. I have never had a trjoan break on me.
Yeah, I've never had one break, but I always hear about though, so I'm always like "either I'm really lucky, or condoms don't break as much as people say they do!"

[BellaBellucci]

Yeah, I've never had one break, but I always hear about though, so I'm always like "either I'm really lucky, or condoms don't break as much as people say they do!"

My husband Dr. House would just tell you that everybody lies. :geek:

~BB~

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

I'm inclined to agree.

There's a lot of "no, never' in this thread but not a whole lot of explanation that can't be boiled down to "I couldn't handle it."

We don't choose who we love, just what we do about it. I think I'd rather see it play instead of wondering.

Though my thoughts on the matter change with every new fear and back again with every kiss.

The dizzy rides are always the ones I remember the most.

Have you got any sex worker friends?

I dont mean on the internet, or being fans etc. Or visited a sex worker/escort for his/her services (not that im suggesting you do, but many on here do so it's possible you could be one of those guys, nothing against you).

It's actually a pretty sad life.

It's made up to be glamourous on these boards and the whole 'porn' side of things sells a fantasy that makes it look like some sexual fetish dreamland.

The reality is nothing like that. It's not glamourous at all.

Imagine this. Being a male escort (let's presume you are a straight/bi man, who likes women and trans, obviously seeing as you are on this board).

So now imagine that every day you chat to your mates, you dont have a real solid family/girlfriend to connect with. You are alone. Your friends even bitch about you behind your back. Then your first client calls, a complete stranger who says some derogatory remarks on the phone, so you cut her off.

Then you get a regular, shes 53 years old, out of shape and doesnt smell too good. But she makes an effort and shes friendly with you. You have to talk to her and kiss and lick her out and fuk her for 30 mins solid and try and cum.

Then you go have a shower. Then you get a few more phone calls from idiots and one genuine phone call, it's a ts this time, she sounds a bit manly but because youre into ts as well you agree to seeing her.

She turns up and is polite and friendly but is very masculine and wants to fuck you! You try and be polite with her and say you will only fuck her, but she can suck you off (you can barely get hard), but you do the business and try and be pleasant and she leaves but is a bit dissatisfied.

Thats it, 2 clients done and you're 300 bucks in for the day, cant be asked anymore so call it wraps. But later on you see that the ts has given you a terrible review on a review site because you wouldnt let her fuck you.

Does this sound like a glamourous lifestyle?

Now ask yourself the question. Would you want this for your girlfriend?

I dont have anything against sex workers at all. They arent harming people therefore i do not view them as criminals. Infact they probably have benefits to society that are uncounted for by government agency's or police. But when youve seen their life, it's a bit sad, i have compassion for them because often they are good people but get sucked in. The others will just say that they are using the system and using men, but they are sucked in to the point that they cant see what is really happening.

Best thing is to study hard, graduate and get a good job with a company. It's hard work, but it pays off. I know a few transgendered women who have done this. Escorting wouldnt even come ot their mind.

Everyone is different, as long as someone is a good person, they deserve to find someone special in their life regardless if they are a sex worker or not. Just being an escort will make it 10 times harder.

[Ryz]

I mean girls who allow no condoms with other men and then don't tell you when you get with them. I was with a TS once and AFTER I got oral and was like two seconds from entering her, she asked if I wanted to go bareback for more money. I said no. Still had sex with her but probably shouldn't have.:(
Sometimes I ask to see who wants to do bareback. If they agree. I'm not really going to do anything with them. If they're going to let me, a complete stranger hit it raw. Most likely everyone else is. :smh:

[Mayrah]

Have you got any sex worker friends?

I dont mean on the internet, or being fans etc. Or visited a sex worker/escort for his/her services (not that im suggesting you do, but many on here do so it's possible you could be one of those guys, nothing against you).

It's actually a pretty sad life.

It's made up to be glamourous on these boards and the whole 'porn' side of things sells a fantasy that makes it look like some sexual fetish dreamland.

People are getting fired everyday from their oh so fun jobs because their boss cant pay them anymore, with the current economy, everyone is scared for their future if they will keep their jobs or not.

Finding a normal job is already hell.

If a friend escorts 2 or 3 days a week, and the rest of the week she is with friends and family, she is close with all of them,that sounds pretty good if you ask me. Sure your probably not going to be relationship material, but if you do find that guy who can live with it, then thats what BellaBellucci said, it might be the best thing ever.

[DL_NL]

Would you start a relationship with a Escort
No, not into old Fords.

[Imakeiteazy]

Sure.. why not .. were all human and need companionship despite our choice in profession
:jerkoff

[Paulistano]

Have you got any sex worker friends?

I dont mean on the internet, or being fans etc. Or visited a sex worker/escort for his/her services (not that im suggesting you do, but many on here do so it's possible you could be one of those guys, nothing against you).

It's actually a pretty sad life.

It's made up to be glamourous on these boards and the whole 'porn' side of things sells a fantasy that makes it look like some sexual fetish dreamland.

The reality is nothing like that. It's not glamourous at all.

Imagine this. Being a male escort (let's presume you are a straight/bi man, who likes women and trans, obviously seeing as you are on this board).

So now imagine that every day you chat to your mates, you dont have a real solid family/girlfriend to connect with. You are alone. Your friends even bitch about you behind your back. Then your first client calls, a complete stranger who says some derogatory remarks on the phone, so you cut her off.

Then you get a regular, shes 53 years old, out of shape and doesnt smell too good. But she makes an effort and shes friendly with you. You have to talk to her and kiss and lick her out and fuk her for 30 mins solid and try and cum.

Then you go have a shower. Then you get a few more phone calls from idiots and one genuine phone call, it's a ts this time, she sounds a bit manly but because youre into ts as well you agree to seeing her.

She turns up and is polite and friendly but is very masculine and wants to fuck you! You try and be polite with her and say you will only fuck her, but she can suck you off (you can barely get hard), but you do the business and try and be pleasant and she leaves but is a bit dissatisfied.

Thats it, 2 clients done and you're 300 bucks in for the day, cant be asked anymore so call it wraps. But later on you see that the ts has given you a terrible review on a review site because you wouldnt let her fuck you.

Does this sound like a glamourous lifestyle?

Now ask yourself the question. Would you want this for your girlfriend?

I dont have anything against sex workers at all. They arent harming people therefore i do not view them as criminals. Infact they probably have benefits to society that are uncounted for by government agency's or police. But when youve seen their life, it's a bit sad, i have compassion for them because often they are good people but get sucked in. The others will just say that they are using the system and using men, but they are sucked in to the point that they cant see what is really happening.

Best thing is to study hard, graduate and get a good job with a company. It's hard work, but it pays off. I know a few transgendered women who have done this. Escorting wouldnt even come ot their mind.

Everyone is different, as long as someone is a good person, they deserve to find someone special in their life regardless if they are a sex worker or not. Just being an escort will make it 10 times harder.

Perfect post!

Here in Brazil there's another problem: DRUGS.

Because their lives are not a heaven, 90% of TS escorts are drug users in my country. Combination of ALCOHOL ABUSE + HEAVY DRUGS ABUSE + HUGE HORMONES DOSAGES + BAD NUTRITION HABITS = SERIOUS DESEASES.

Most TS escorts in Brazil die young. It's really sad.

[theone1982]

Sometimes I ask to see who wants to do bareback. If they agree. I'm not really going to do anything with them. If they're going to let me, a complete stranger hit it raw. Most likely everyone else is. :smh:

Yeah, that's what I should have done. But it was like really in the moment when she let know that she did bareback, so it would have been hard to just jump back in my pants and say no thanks.:) I did wear a condom though so it turned out all right. I agree with you though that if someone allows bareback than most likely many people have taken them up on the offer.

[saintpatrick]

Yeah, I met a TS chick in Houston TX right after I broke up with wife and sold my home in Massachusetts. (part of a rough year--2009--ended with an IRS audit.) She was an escort, I paid her what was a pretty reasonable price. We wound up dating, I met her friends, ate nice dinners with her, learned more than I ever thought I'd learn about the tranny scene in Houston, and had great sex with her.
She dropped her price with every date. It wound up with her having me buy her a sewing machine at WalMart for her once as the price. The line between ex-wife and TS escort got blurry
She died, stupid dumb tragedy that could have happened to anybody. Don't pass up a chance to have some happiness with somebody because they are either TG or pro.

[MdR Dave]

Have you got any sex worker friends?

I do.

None of it's easy.

But I am fortunate that she's my friend.

Nice post, though. Seriously.

[Star Angel 86]

Probably not but definitely not if she's still turnin' tricks. Not sharing my woman with anyone.

I agree 100 % I was seeing one lass that had a strong resemblance to Lisa Paradise at the Blacklite and when I wasn't around I'm sure she left with other lads.As is she told me about this one incident where she was standing out front of the Blacklite after they had closed and this young lad lad on bike drove by with a knife and cut her purse strap and drove off with her belongings.That put an end to her standing on the corner of Santa Monica and Western other than that she was a hairdresser Tuesday thru Friday.

[testtickle]

I really can't see why it would make any difference if my girlfriend were an escort or not. - It's just work. It's not like escorts are in the job for a deep meaningful relationship with their clients. With a film actress, boyfriends are not going to get jealous if there's been a sex scene on camera, so why would a someone be worried if his partner just had sex for money with a client? - It'd be totally different if the partner then went on to see the client "outside of business hours" etc. Obviously , purely from a safety point of view, I'd prefer my girlfriend to practice safe sex unless she was certain about the clients HIV etc status.
Jealousy is all consuming and usually means the relationship is on the rocks anyway. If my partner were an escort, I'd expect total and frank transparency with what she was doing. Once that honesty and trust were established in the relationship, nothing else would matter.

[BellaBellucci]

I really can't see why it would make any difference if my girlfriend were an escort or not. - It's just work. It's not like escorts are in the job for a deep meaningful relationship with their clients. With a film actress, boyfriends are not going to get jealous if there's been a sex scene on camera, so why would a someone be worried if his partner just had sex for money with a client? - It'd be totally different if the partner then went on to see the client "outside of business hours" etc. Obviously , purely from a safety point of view, I'd prefer my girlfriend to practice safe sex unless she was certain about the clients HIV etc status.
Jealousy is all consuming and usually means the relationship is on the rocks anyway. If my partner were an escort, I'd expect total and frank transparency with what she was doing. Once that honesty and trust were established in the relationship, nothing else would matter.

That's the logical line on this. Unfortunately those pesky emotions always seem to get in the way for some people. :whistle:

~BB~

[Paulistano]

I really can't see why it would make any difference if my girlfriend were an escort or not. - It's just work. It's not like escorts are in the job for a deep meaningful relationship with their clients. With a film actress, boyfriends are not going to get jealous if there's been a sex scene on camera, so why would a someone be worried if his partner just had sex for money with a client? - It'd be totally different if the partner then went on to see the client "outside of business hours" etc. Obviously , purely from a safety point of view, I'd prefer my girlfriend to practice safe sex unless she was certain about the clients HIV etc status.
Jealousy is all consuming and usually means the relationship is on the rocks anyway. If my partner were an escort, I'd expect total and frank transparency with what she was doing. Once that honesty and trust were established in the relationship, nothing else would matter.

I guess you don't know what are you talking about... Have you had a t-escort girlfriend in your life? Do you feel comfortable to know she spend hours sucking someone and after a while she comes to kiss you on the mouth? It's impossible to have sex always without pleasure... some clients are nice guys... how do you feel meanwhile she's in bed with a handsome guy younger than you? (IF YOU DO LOVE HER, for sure).

No man... you have no idea what does it mean...

There's a point you may want to kill yourself... I passed this situation, but swear for God never will do it again in my life.

And I lost T-girlfriends to drugs also. It's a crazy world man... it's only for those who have same "job" they have.

[Boardwalkempire]

Yeah, I met a TS chick in Houston TX right after I broke up with wife and sold my home in Massachusetts. (part of a rough year--2009--ended with an IRS audit.) She was an escort, I paid her what was a pretty reasonable price. We wound up dating, I met her friends, ate nice dinners with her, learned more than I ever thought I'd learn about the tranny scene in Houston, and had great sex with her.
She dropped her price with every date. It wound up with her having me buy her a sewing machine at WalMart for her once as the price. The line between ex-wife and TS escort got blurry
She died, stupid dumb tragedy that could have happened to anybody. Don't pass up a chance to have some happiness with somebody because they are either TG or pro.



Srry to hear that man.

How did she die?

[Boardwalkempire]

Some people look at escorting like it just being anther job. When in reality it is not just anther job.

Lets be honest.

[testtickle]

Paulistano doesn't sound convinced but 100% genuinely, if my partner is an escort, it would be of no concern to me whatsoever. Someone made the comment "what if she'd just sucked someone off, then came home and wanted to kiss you" - I'd like to think that my partner would have the decency to brush her teeth and shower first! I wouldn't be having a relationship with someone that didn't exercise a reasonable level of hygiene. But think about it. If your partner is getting paid to make love to other guys - who she charges - then comes home you *you* and makes love to you and doesn't charge, then you know for a fact who has her heart. As long as you get on, you interreact well, have fun and enjoy each others' company, then what your partner does as a living is immaterial. Her presence after work shows the commitment. Besides, if your partner is having sex with many other guys and choses you to be the stable partner, then it's a bit of an honor, isn't it, that you're "the chosen one". Re the bit about the fact that I don't know what I'm talking about - actually I do. I've had a relationship with a sex worker many years ago. It fizzled out, not because of what she was doing but because family and other commitments separated us. Whilst we were together, life was good She would often tell me about her clients. Not in a gloating or unpleasant way - but just the same way that I'd discuss what I did at work. There was never any jealousy or recriminations. The fact that she'd be having sex with many partners meant that there was desire on her part to have affairs. Paradoxically, she was the most faithful of all my girlfriends. I knew I could always trust and rely on her. The only negativities were that she'd often be out at night, which meant we couldn't be together and sometimes she came home a little sore and obviously sex was out on those times. All taken into account I wish the relationship had lasted much longer.

[amberskyi]

this is very easy.....we're not real people so of course we dont deserve love,understanding,intimacy or any of the other things that make yall human.

[Infern0]

this is very easy.....we're not real people so of course we dont deserve love,understanding,intimacy or any of the other things that make yall human.

Obviously that's not true, but peoples careers DO affect their chances of a LTR

A lot of women wouldn't want to have a relationship with a guy who works on oil rigs, and is away for 6 months at a time, and one of my girlfriends decided we should go our seperate ways, when i started working in nightclubs and wasn't as "avaliable" to her, other people may not be happy with their partner having sexual intercorse or providing gfe to other people, some people don't want to be in an open relationship.

At the end of the day this world is made up of choices and consequences, it's an individuals CHOICE to become an escort as opposed to another occupation, but if thats what you chose, you also chose the consequences of that.

Now, BRING ON THE FLAMING!

[Boardwalkempire]

Obviously that's not true, but peoples careers DO affect their chances of a LTR

A lot of women wouldn't want to have a relationship with a guy who works on oil rigs, and is away for 6 months at a time, and one of my girlfriends decided we should go our seperate ways, when i started working in nightclubs and wasn't as "avaliable" to her, other people may not be happy with their partner having sexual intercorse or providing gfe to other people, some people don't want to be in an open relationship.

At the end of the day this world is made up of choices and consequences, it's an individuals CHOICE to become an escort as opposed to another occupation, but if thats what you chose, you also chose the consequences of that.


I agree 100% I could not have said it better myself

[amberskyi]

Obviously that's not true, but peoples careers DO affect their chances of a LTR

A lot of women wouldn't want to have a relationship with a guy who works on oil rigs, and is away for 6 months at a time, and one of my girlfriends decided we should go our seperate ways, when i started working in nightclubs and wasn't as "avaliable" to her, other people may not be happy with their partner having sexual intercorse or providing gfe to other people, some people don't want to be in an open relationship.

At the end of the day this world is made up of choices and consequences, it's an individuals CHOICE to become an escort as opposed to another occupation, but if thats what you chose, you also chose the consequences of that.

what consequences? i never really had too hard of a time dating.
ass and tits = more options and opportunities lol.
im very private when it comes to my personal life.i keep a very strict separation between my personal life and the adult industry.i also have goals and aspirations outside of this industry (ive been kinda distracted lately tho).most guys recognize this.while theyre not exactly thrilled by what i do,they are understanding.
have ive been passed over because of my profession? of course,it happened to me a few weeks ago.i was casually dating a guy who i was really into but he couldnt deal with what i do.im severely disappointed but i respect his decision.
i look at it this way now tho.im human and life is about progression/growth.im not perfect but i know i have alot to offer.if you cant accept me at my "worst" than i know you dont deserve me at my best

[Infern0]

what consequences? i never really had too hard of a time dating.
ass and tits = more options and opportunities lol.
im very private when it comes to my personal life.i keep a very strict separation between my personal life and the adult industry.i also have goals and aspirations outside of this industry (ive been kinda distracted lately tho).most guys recognize this.while theyre not exactly thrilled by what i do,they are understanding.
have ive been passed over because of my profession? of course,it happened to me a few weeks ago.i was casually dating a guy who i was really into but he couldnt deal with what i do.im severely disappointed but i respect his decision.
i look at it this way now tho.im human and life is about progression/growth.im not perfect but i know i have alot to offer.if you cant accept me at my "worst" than i know you dont deserve me at my best

That's your stance and you are of course entitled to it.

The whole "we are not people thing" is a bit stupid though imo, I'm not sure if you were just fooling around or you think people actually think that.

like i said, it's all about choices, I might be friends with an escort, maybe even in a casual relationship, but my choice is to want exclusivity in a serious relationship, and i think i'm entitled to that choice, doesn't mean i don't have respect for the person in question.

[thaibound]

not intentionally.

You can't have a true GFE experience if the escort doesn't (in the moment) convince you she *is* your GF so allowing yourself to believe (after the moment) that she is *still* your GF is just begging for trouble.

Then again what relationship doesn't bring trouble, so all you'd really be adding is the begging. If, that is, she didn't have you doing that already when she read the charlie sheen quote you'd prematurely scribbled on the first gift envelope you ever gave her and responded with "well, I was going to cancel my next appointment and ask if I could stay the night with you, but..."

Yeah. Begging and trouble. The (emotional) twin pillars of any truly hot relationship.
:yingyang:

[MrF]

One thing to realize when considering this question is that there are lots and lots of people to choose from for a "deep relationship". Lots of fish in the sea, as they say.

The profession of Escorting brings problems, so if all other things are equal you would avoid that and pick another person. No need to make a big fuss about it or try to change the person Escorting. That would be my simple approach. Having said that, for me a "light friendship" with an Escort is possible.

[BellaBellucci]

I agree 100% I could not have said it better myself

You two are in agreement? Now there's a shocker. :geek:

~BB~

[Equalizer]

Some people look at escorting like it just being anther job. When in reality it is not just anther job.

Lets be honest.

they make it seem like its a normal lifestyle, while its really not...

some are sleeping with like 5 men a day, 7 days a week

[BellaBellucci]

they make it seem like its a normal lifestyle, while its really not...

some are sleeping with like 5 men a day, 7 days a week

First of all, that's some. Some of us stay low volume.

Otherwise, so what? For every girl I know who charges, there are 3 who fuck just as many guys for free. Is that somehow better because they're not getting paid? Or maybe because she promises you she'll stop and you believe her because it's not her job? Sounds more like jealousy issues to me. I can't tell you how many guys really just don't like their girls to escort because they would prefer that they be dependent on them financially.

What a terrific control game, but personally I prefer mine within a BDSM framework, not a financial one. There seems to be an awful lot of male insecurity here, particularly for a board mostly dedicated to escorts and porn stars. GTFO with this misogyny shit. If you can't handle a girl escorting, making her own money, and using it to better herself, then you don't deserve her.

~BB~

[nonnonnon]

it is a bit emasculating to make less money :(

[Equalizer]

First of all, that's some. Some of us stay low volume.

Otherwise, so what? For every girl I know who charges, there are 3 who fuck just as many guys for free. Is that somehow better because they're not getting paid? Or maybe because she promises you she'll stop and you believe her because it's not her job? Sounds more like jealousy issues to me. I can't tell you how many guys really just don't like their girls to escort because they would prefer that they be dependent on them financially.

What a terrific control game, but personally I prefer mine within a BDSM framework, not a financial one. There seems to be an awful lot of male insecurity here, particularly for a board mostly dedicated to escorts and porn stars. GTFO with this misogyny shit. If you can't handle a girl escorting, making her own money, and using it to better herself, then you don't deserve her.

~BB~

You have a point there, and i especially blame the girls that love bareback...

About the volume, well most girls i know about love to max it up, so they get all the $$$$ they can, no one ever turns that away.

There are even some that do more than 5 a day...

[BellaBellucci]

no one ever turns that away.

There are even some that do more than 5 a day...

I do. I'm not going to exacerbate the threat to my health and/or freedom by getting greedy. I'm sorry, but those girls have a lot to learn.

~BB~

[onmyknees]

I had a relationship with an internet model. The solo stuff I didn't mind, but when she had to work with others, I had a little problem with it. No one likes someone else riding your bike. And yes...she escorted on the side when the site wasn't making much. She didn't hide it from me; she was up front about it. Fortunately it wasn't for long...

Willie is a wise man. By in large it's not about the guy wanting to be the bread winner...that's bullshit. I've dated dancers, ( call it semnantics, but I don't like the word strippers) and 2 ladies that did amatuer porn. One of the relationships got semi serious, but it's a totally different deal with an escort. The sex they were involved in outside our relationship was not that much of an issue. It caused some discussion but good communications and some genuine reassurances go a long way..The vast majority of guys can't get past the multiple partners thing with an escort, and that's what ultimately destroys most of those relationships. Most guys just aren't equipped to deal with that emtionally...and that's by no means a put down....I don't know if I could do it, so tip of the cap to the dudes who can. I'm pretty comfortable with who I am, and don't get all worked up about what others think of my choices...but the dude who can handle a lady who escorts is a special breed indeed !! Yes...I understand it's a job...a way of making a living, nothing more, but there are concequences to all our choices in life. The girl who chooses to be a Wal-Mart cashier does not have the same relationship issues with her mate as an escort ,but more than likely she'll have financial issues which probably are equally as damaging to the longevity of the relationship.

[BellaBellucci]

The girl who chooses to be a Wal-Mart cashier does not have the same relationship issues with her mate as an escort ,but more than likely she'll have financial issues which probably are equally as damaging to the longevity of the relationship.

A-fucking-men. Not to mention the issues that go with self-esteem and whatever landed her at such a shitty job to begin with. Let's not pretend that poor people who work 9-5's don't have issues too. :lol:

~BB~

[onmyknees]

A-fucking-men. Not to mention the issues that go with self-esteem and whatever landed her at such a shitty job to begin with. Let's not pretend that poor people who work 9-5's don't have issues too. :lol:

~BB~


Ok...so ya ready to go out with me now ?? LOL :jerkoff

[BLKGSXR]

Nah fuck that, now if they quit went to school and was working a legal job not a problem till then do as much damage as possible I guess ^_~
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[igotmacedbymimi:(]

First of all, that's some. Some of us stay low volume.

Otherwise, so what? For every girl I know who charges, there are 3 who fuck just as many guys for free. Is that somehow better because they're not getting paid? Or maybe because she promises you she'll stop and you believe her because it's not her job? Sounds more like jealousy issues to me. I can't tell you how many guys really just don't like their girls to escort because they would prefer that they be dependent on them financially.

What a terrific control game, but personally I prefer mine within a BDSM framework, not a financial one. There seems to be an awful lot of male insecurity here, particularly for a board mostly dedicated to escorts and porn stars. GTFO with this misogyny shit. If you can't handle a girl escorting, making her own money, and using it to better herself, then you don't deserve her.

~BB~

You are officially mad.

When a man meets a woman and they fall in love, they have a monogamous relationship. They love each other and stay faithful to each other without cheating.

Otherwise there is no point in having a relationship is there?

You are trying to justify your escorting and saying that it is a perfectly normal job and that any man should be with an escort in a relationship just like they would be with say a lawer, or a doctor. Please get real.

Even if the girl is a ho before the relationship, she doesnt continue to sleep with guys when she is in a relationship, if she does, she gets dumped, simple as that. Mutual agreement to stay faithful.

This clatter that you talk of about a man wanting his girlfriend to be financially dependant on him is totally laughable. Do you know how many men would love to date a millionaire lawer (female), a millionaire female business woman. It's a dream come true, be a man of leisure and the wife makes the dollars whilst we sit back and look after the kids, thats cool, i dont mind that at all.

Men in general dont want to see their girlfriend who they love, have to sleep with complete strangers, ussually out of shape, old men with possible diseases, to get some bucks. This is not 'relationship material' behaviour.

Why not be a transexual millionaire lawer instead? Study hard and open up your own shop, your own clothes boutique and earn much more than prostitution.

the answer is because prostitution is a quick fix. Not all escorts are dummies, but any dummie can be an escort, thats the sad fact. It doesnt take brain power or qualifications. It's a seedy job that most escorts dont want to do (the ones i know of). Actually having to do quite a lot of drugs and end up going down the garden path with their life because of being dragged into this stupid lifestyle.

The key is to be like any genetic female and study hard, go to university and get a good job, work ones way up in the company and have 40 years worth of work with a great income and find a loving husband and have a family. This is how most genetic girls work.

Except in the ts industry there is this pathetic force gravitating them into porn and escorting as some sort of 'hey im sexy look at me' social status because it allows them to get recognition as being a little minor celebrity in their 'tranny porn niche'.

The ones that we dont see on this forum or in the sex industry will be holding down a normal job and could possibly get a good wage, im talking way more than escorting can give and over a much longer time period combined with a proper pension as well and health insurances, in a proper company where they dont have to do degrading things like sucking strangers cocks for a living.

Sorry to tell you the truth, there isnt anything wrong with escorting in the way that it doesnt make you a bad person. Escorts are not necessarily bad people at heart. But the above might be a good indication why no decent man is going to want to get envolved in a relationship with an escort whether they are female or transexual.

Would a man marry a female escort and want his prostitute of a wife to be the mother of his children and live in a happy family whilst his wife makes money by banging 4 men a day and in the meantime he looks after the kids?

Come on, surely you can see this is ridiculous. What is the difference between a ts and a woman? You all complain that you are not treated like women, well how many female escorts dont seem to understand why no decent men want to marry them and have children with them? They no that if they want to get married and have a family, they have to quit escorting. So thats what they do when the time comes. But you dont seem to realise this?

Totally delusional.

You've never come across like a bad person, but your views on this topic are totally shrouded by the sex industry. Even the talk of how you prefer your 'control game in a bdsm network'. Marraige, love and family isnt a 'control game', it's how society works and has worked for tens of thousands of years.

The mind is boggled when ts say they want to be treated just like females. How many female escorts complain that they cant get a decent good looking educated man to get married to and have kids with. They already know the answer, no decent man is going to want to marry and have kids with a girl who rents her pussy out and sucks cocks of strangers.

[amberskyi]

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and the pulitzer goes to....

[BellaBellucci]

You are officially mad.

When a man meets a woman and they fall in love, they have a monogamous relationship. They love each other and stay faithful to each other without cheating.

Otherwise there is no point in having a relationship is there?...

blah blah blah. blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah. blah.

How romantic. But you forget that relationships like those of which you speak are booooooooooring, and oftentimes repressive sexually and in many other ways. The world is changing, and I'm sorry but you sound like you might be behind the curve. Marriage, love, and family? Yeah, and a 50%+ divorce rate. Now who's 'mad?' And are you against gay marriage as well then?

~BB~

[FreddieGomez]

You are officially mad.

When a man meets a woman and they fall in love, they have a monogamous relationship. They love each other and stay faithful to each other without cheating.

Otherwise there is no point in having a relationship is there?

You are trying to justify your escorting and saying that it is a perfectly normal job and that any man should be with an escort in a relationship just like they would be with say a lawer, or a doctor. Please get real.

Even if the girl is a ho before the relationship, she doesnt continue to sleep with guys when she is in a relationship, if she does, she gets dumped, simple as that. Mutual agreement to stay faithful.

This clatter that you talk of about a man wanting his girlfriend to be financially dependant on him is totally laughable. Do you know how many men would love to date a millionaire lawer (female), a millionaire female business woman. It's a dream come true, be a man of leisure and the wife makes the dollars whilst we sit back and look after the kids, thats cool, i dont mind that at all.

Men in general dont want to see their girlfriend who they love, have to sleep with complete strangers, ussually out of shape, old men with possible diseases, to get some bucks. This is not 'relationship material' behaviour.

Why not be a transexual millionaire lawer instead? Study hard and open up your own shop, your own clothes boutique and earn much more than prostitution.

the answer is because prostitution is a quick fix. Not all escorts are dummies, but any dummie can be an escort, thats the sad fact. It doesnt take brain power or qualifications. It's a seedy job that most escorts dont want to do (the ones i know of). Actually having to do quite a lot of drugs and end up going down the garden path with their life because of being dragged into this stupid lifestyle.

The key is to be like any genetic female and study hard, go to university and get a good job, work ones way up in the company and have 40 years worth of work with a great income and find a loving husband and have a family. This is how most genetic girls work.

Except in the ts industry there is this pathetic force gravitating them into porn and escorting as some sort of 'hey im sexy look at me' social status because it allows them to get recognition as being a little minor celebrity in their 'tranny porn niche'.

The ones that we dont see on this forum or in the sex industry will be holding down a normal job and could possibly get a good wage, im talking way more than escorting can give and over a much longer time period combined with a proper pension as well and health insurances, in a proper company where they dont have to do degrading things like sucking strangers cocks for a living.

Sorry to tell you the truth, there isnt anything wrong with escorting in the way that it doesnt make you a bad person. Escorts are not necessarily bad people at heart. But the above might be a good indication why no decent man is going to want to get envolved in a relationship with an escort whether they are female or transexual.

Would a man marry a female escort and want his prostitute of a wife to be the mother of his children and live in a happy family whilst his wife makes money by banging 4 men a day and in the meantime he looks after the kids?

Come on, surely you can see this is ridiculous. What is the difference between a ts and a woman? You all complain that you are not treated like women, well how many female escorts dont seem to understand why no decent men want to marry them and have children with them? They no that if they want to get married and have a family, they have to quit escorting. So thats what they do when the time comes. But you dont seem to realise this?

Totally delusional.

You've never come across like a bad person, but your views on this topic are totally shrouded by the sex industry. Even the talk of how you prefer your 'control game in a bdsm network'. Marraige, love and family isnt a 'control game', it's how society works and has worked for tens of thousands of years.

The mind is boggled when ts say they want to be treated just like females. How many female escorts complain that they cant get a decent good looking educated man to get married to and have kids with. They already know the answer, no decent man is going to want to marry and have kids with a girl who rents her pussy out and sucks cocks of strangers.

dayum lol

[Paulistano]

You are officially mad.

When a man meets a woman and they fall in love, they have a monogamous relationship. They love each other and stay faithful to each other without cheating.

Otherwise there is no point in having a relationship is there?

You are trying to justify your escorting and saying that it is a perfectly normal job and that any man should be with an escort in a relationship just like they would be with say a lawer, or a doctor. Please get real.

Even if the girl is a ho before the relationship, she doesnt continue to sleep with guys when she is in a relationship, if she does, she gets dumped, simple as that. Mutual agreement to stay faithful.

This clatter that you talk of about a man wanting his girlfriend to be financially dependant on him is totally laughable. Do you know how many men would love to date a millionaire lawer (female), a millionaire female business woman. It's a dream come true, be a man of leisure and the wife makes the dollars whilst we sit back and look after the kids, thats cool, i dont mind that at all.

Men in general dont want to see their girlfriend who they love, have to sleep with complete strangers, ussually out of shape, old men with possible diseases, to get some bucks. This is not 'relationship material' behaviour.

Why not be a transexual millionaire lawer instead? Study hard and open up your own shop, your own clothes boutique and earn much more than prostitution.

the answer is because prostitution is a quick fix. Not all escorts are dummies, but any dummie can be an escort, thats the sad fact. It doesnt take brain power or qualifications. It's a seedy job that most escorts dont want to do (the ones i know of). Actually having to do quite a lot of drugs and end up going down the garden path with their life because of being dragged into this stupid lifestyle.

The key is to be like any genetic female and study hard, go to university and get a good job, work ones way up in the company and have 40 years worth of work with a great income and find a loving husband and have a family. This is how most genetic girls work.

Except in the ts industry there is this pathetic force gravitating them into porn and escorting as some sort of 'hey im sexy look at me' social status because it allows them to get recognition as being a little minor celebrity in their 'tranny porn niche'.

The ones that we dont see on this forum or in the sex industry will be holding down a normal job and could possibly get a good wage, im talking way more than escorting can give and over a much longer time period combined with a proper pension as well and health insurances, in a proper company where they dont have to do degrading things like sucking strangers cocks for a living.

Sorry to tell you the truth, there isnt anything wrong with escorting in the way that it doesnt make you a bad person. Escorts are not necessarily bad people at heart. But the above might be a good indication why no decent man is going to want to get envolved in a relationship with an escort whether they are female or transexual.

Would a man marry a female escort and want his prostitute of a wife to be the mother of his children and live in a happy family whilst his wife makes money by banging 4 men a day and in the meantime he looks after the kids?

Come on, surely you can see this is ridiculous. What is the difference between a ts and a woman? You all complain that you are not treated like women, well how many female escorts dont seem to understand why no decent men want to marry them and have children with them? They no that if they want to get married and have a family, they have to quit escorting. So thats what they do when the time comes. But you dont seem to realise this?

Totally delusional.

You've never come across like a bad person, but your views on this topic are totally shrouded by the sex industry. Even the talk of how you prefer your 'control game in a bdsm network'. Marraige, love and family isnt a 'control game', it's how society works and has worked for tens of thousands of years.

The mind is boggled when ts say they want to be treated just like females. How many female escorts complain that they cant get a decent good looking educated man to get married to and have kids with. They already know the answer, no decent man is going to want to marry and have kids with a girl who rents her pussy out and sucks cocks of strangers.

WOW!!!...
Best post on this thread.

[Ineeda SM]

Oh what a touchy subject. And an easy subject to get blown out of proportion.

First off, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being an escort. If that's what you want to do, and can make a good $$$ at it, then good for you. Fuck the morality bull shit of the closed minded. Go for it! Sex is good dirty fun. If you can make a few $$$ at it, hey why the fuck not. It's just another job where skill = $$$. PERIOD!

Now what is a relationship? I can see the type of relationship where an escort meets someone special outside of their work. They hit it off, and decide to see each other a lot as special friends. But the escort's friend will be someone who is not interested in a monogamous relationship. They are together out of a mutual understanding that the other can fuck around with anyone else if they so chose. No problem here. Enjoy your life.

Now, when committing to a true relationship where you are deeply in love, and will spend much of your life with that person, an escort can not have her love cake and eat someone else too. A loving relationship is a one on one where there is no cheating on your partner. This kind of relationship can not happen between an escort and their new lover. Any escort who claims they have a real true love relationship, and continues to escort as well, is just kidding themselves, or they have a very false idea of what a real true love relationship actually is.

No man who wants a real love relationship and commitment, will accept his woman fucking and sucking for money with dozens or even hundreds of other people. I wouldn't want that. That's just not how it works. I could see falling in love with an escort if she/he quits escorting forever, and commits to just me. I wouldn't care what they did before we became a couple, as long as they are loyal to me now.

An escort is just human, and fully capable of a true love relationship as anyone else is. If they want that true love relationship, they will have to stop escorting. If they don't stop escorting, they are not in a true love relationship. Instead, they are in a true LUST understanding. That can be good too if that is all you want. But it's not true love.

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

blah blah blah. blah blah. blah blah blah blah blah. blah.

How romantic. But you forget that relationships like those of which you speak are booooooooooring, and oftentimes repressive sexually and in many other ways. The world is changing, and I'm sorry but you sound like you might be behind the curve. Marriage, love, and family? Yeah, and a 50%+ divorce rate. Now who's 'mad?' And are you against gay marriage as well then?

~BB~

Im not at all against gay marraige, i am totally for gay marraige and gay adoption. I think it's only fair that homosexuals whether male or female homosexuals should have the same right as straight couples to be in a monogamous, loving marraige and able to raise a family. (Raise a family providing they will be good loving and caring parents).

So tell me this. On one side you mock marriage and love and family, on the other side you then start wrongly emphasising that i would be against gay marriage?!

So why did you mention gay marriage if marriage, love and family means nothing these days?

The bottom line is, the world is not changing and never will. Male and female gay couples should recieve equal rights as straight couples and they will over time, so too will transexuals as we move further into the age of reason. But you say 'the world is changing' and mock tens of thousands of years of human existance.

Based on what? On your tranny porn/prostitution view of things.

I didnt want to write any of this. Deep down many ts girls are nice people, infact ussually the nicest of people, that is before drugs, prostitution and violence twists them. At heart they are still the very same people they were before all of it.

Take a look around you at the real world. In the real world there has been a massive earthquake and tsunami in japan devastating the country and killing thousands. Do you think that japan will pull through this by using escorts and porn? Or will it pull through this with love, empathy and family spirit?

Escorts and porn are not celebrity, hollywood stars are celebrity, escorts and porn are wannabes, not that you will ever realise this.

At the end of the day, if transexual women simply went back to college, got an education and a real job and worked their way up, the same as a genetic girl does, they too could enjoy a loving family and a good husband.

I know this is true because ive seen it happen. But in the meantime, sex workers complaining that it's the man's fault for not wanting to date a prostitute.

No man wants his wife to be sucking cock and fucking strangers and knowing that this is the degrading life she is resorted to.

What if you found out your mum was a whore and that your dad encouraged it, what would you think of your dad? What would you think of your mum. Kind of different isnt it when it becomes a family member.

[igotmacedbymimi:(]

Oh what a touchy subject. And an easy subject to get blown out of proportion.

First off, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being an escort. If that's what you want to do, and can make a good $$$ at it, then good for you. Fuck the morality bull shit of the closed minded. Go for it! Sex is good dirty fun. If you can make a few $$$ at it, hey why the fuck not. It's just another job where skill = $$$. PERIOD!

Now what is a relationship? I can see the type of relationship where an escort meets someone special outside of their work. They hit it off, and decide to see each other a lot as special friends. But the escort's friend will be someone who is not interested in a monogamous relationship. They are together out of a mutual understanding that the other can fuck around with anyone else if they so chose. No problem here. Enjoy your life.

Now, when committing to a true relationship where you are deeply in love, and will spend much of your life with that person, an escort can not have her love cake and eat someone else too. A loving relationship is a one on one where there is no cheating on your partner. This kind of relationship can not happen between an escort and their new lover. Any escort who claims they have a real true love relationship, and continues to escort as well, is just kidding themselves, or they have a very false idea of what a real true love relationship actually is.

No man who wants a real love relationship and commitment, will accept his woman fucking and sucking for money with dozens or even hundreds of other people. I wouldn't want that. That's just not how it works. I could see falling in love with an escort if she/he quits escorting forever, and commits to just me. I wouldn't care what they did before we became a couple, as long as they are loyal to me now.

An escort is just human, and fully capable of a true love relationship as anyone else is. If they want that true love relationship, they will have to stop escorting. If they don't stop escorting, they are not in a true love relationship. Instead, they are in a true LUST understanding. That can be good too if that is all you want. But it's not true love.

That sir, is a very good post.

But the bit in bold. Let me go further. What man wants the mother of his babies to be sucking strangers cock and fuking them for a job?

What man wants his children to grow up and find out that their mummy sucked cock and fucked strangers whilst daddy didnt mind? Daddy turned a blind eye when random strangers with possible diseases came through the door and totally degraded his wife and the mother of his kids.

In a family where there is a loving husband and a loving ts wife. Lets say with children as well (adopted or surragacy), would this ts want her children to know that mummy is a prostitute and that she sucks and fucks strangers? If there is nothing degrading about it, 'just a job', would she not feel a bit awkward with her kids knowing that in her 'happy family' this is what she is doing?

Beggars belief.

I do not know one genetic girl that could ever do that, well unless they were forced to, or pure trailor trash.

Yet according to some ts escorts on here, this is supposed to be the normal standard when dating a transexual?

It's laughable. Reason and logic totally out the window.

[ymb469]

Obviously I walked in late on this one, not that I have any experience...

But I would. People are people, If I found an escort attractive all-around I would have no problem "starting" a relationship. Of course, unless a fetish-thing, I would expect that it would end. But not averse to it...

[BellaBellucci]

Some of these posts made me shake my damn head. Transsexuals are a different animal than GG's. Without escorting, some of us would not be able to survive, hence my comment about male financial control. So they want us to give up our incomes just to attempt a relationship with them, which may or may not end up being long term, but instead of suggesting a viable alternative ('go to school and get a job' is really no alternative when you have few or no resources), they essentially tell us that 'whores can't be trusted,' even though it's obvious that most trans escorts are actually the victims of economic vulnerability.

Even retired escorts seem to be getting a bad rep here. There's that 'damaged goods' mentality again. Look, if you don't want to be in a relationship with an escort or former escort, or can't handle it, then don't do it. I'd be remiss not to admit that it's not for everyone, but some of you guys need to stop blaming the girls for your own insecurity and jealousy. Believe me: it's much less important in the grand scheme of things than basic survival.

Plus there are lots of people in polyamorous relationships these days. Society is beginning to realize that even though humans mate for life based on cultural expectations, it's not our instinctual nature, hence so much cheating and divorce.

And sure, I agree with some of you that being with a girl who doesn't escort is ideal, lets be honest, if you can't change it, you should either deal with it or quit bitching and find a GG because, per capita, fewer of them are escorts. Collectively, we TS escorts generally don't trust those of you who want us to give up our livelihood and means of transition, regardless of anybody's feelings about it, because you let us down repeatedly.

For me personally, I'm sorry, but I don't think there are any saviors among you and I'm not going to leave myself vulnerable in order to prove myself wrong, but if some day I do find the right person, I'll quit escorting for them when I feel secure enough to do so. I just don't think it's fair of them to ask until they too are ready to deal with the potential consequences.

In short, this whole debate is really just a Mexican standoff.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

So tell me this. On one side you mock marriage and love and family, on the other side you then start wrongly emphasising that i would be against gay marriage?!

So why did you mention gay marriage if marriage, love and family means nothing these days?

... because it does mean nothing these days. Who wants to give up their financial independence for a 50/50 shot at something real? Certainly not me. And I bring up gay marriage because it seems like you have a very narrow concept of what marriage should be yet you seem content to project your opinion on such as absolute truth. You even stooped to calling me 'crazy,' which of course is the last bastion of the losing argument.


The bottom line is, the world is not changing and never will. Male and female gay couples should recieve equal rights as straight couples and they will over time, so too will transexuals as we move further into the age of reason. But you say 'the world is changing' and mock tens of thousands of years of human existance.

Yes, the world is changing. You say so yourself in bold. :?


Based on what? On your tranny porn/prostitution view of things.

Did you really just imply that the scope of my life experience is limited to the sex trade? Who's gone mad now?! I was married, I'm now divorced, and I have an 8-year old son. :fu:


I didnt want to write any of this. Deep down many ts girls are nice people, infact ussually the nicest of people, that is before drugs, prostitution and violence twists them. At heart they are still the very same people they were before all of it.

Again, you make your ignorance of the escort world as clear as a bright, sunny day. Drugs and violence are part of the lives of some escorts, not all. Yours seems to be an extremely rigid opinion for one so poorly informed.


Take a look around you at the real world. In the real world there has been a massive earthquake and tsunami in japan devastating the country and killing thousands. Do you think that japan will pull through this by using escorts and porn? Or will it pull through this with love, empathy and family spirit?

Escorts and porn are a part of the human condition. Without the sex industry as an outlet for so many, I don't even know what the world would be like, and I don't want to know.


Escorts and porn are not celebrity, hollywood stars are celebrity, escorts and porn are wannabes, not that you will ever realise this.

Nice straw man. You've clearly got experience in the Karl Rove school of politics.


At the end of the day, if transexual women simply went back to college, got an education and a real job and worked their way up, the same as a genetic girl does, they too could enjoy a loving family and a good husband.

Do you have this requirement of GG's? That they be college educated? And if so, why? Do college educated women make better wives or something? And who are you to determine what is and isn't a real job? :?

Oh, and 'worked their way up?' It sounds to me like you're just jealous that a girl can make more money than you do with very little effort, essentially just for looking hot.


I know this is true because ive seen it happen. But in the meantime, sex workers complaining that it's the man's fault for not wanting to date a prostitute.

It's a man's world. A man's world that subjugates the female, pays her less, offers her less support and adds familial obligations, and then blames her for not achieving to his standards. GTFO with that!


No man wants his wife to be sucking cock and fucking strangers and knowing that this is the degrading life she is resorted to.

Again with the value judgments. If you find it degrading, don't do it, but some of us find working for ourselves empowering and yet I know very few escorts, particularly trans, who aren't trying to better themselves in every other way possible and find other income streams. :geek:


What if you found out your mum was a whore and that your dad encouraged it, what would you think of your dad? What would you think of your mum. Kind of different isnt it when it becomes a family member.

I wouldn't care as long as I had a good childhood. Instead I had a mom who married out of high school to get away from her abusive dad (who had a 'real' job as a bartender), who didn't work, was poorly supported by her husband (who had 'real' jobs that were subsidized by his rich family), and then essentially left in a ditch when he was done with her. Now she's a drug addict with bi-polar and the men in my family (he and my brother) blame her, mock her, and neglect her.

The emotional issues they caused her spilled out into the real world and now it's impossible for me to have a relationship with her. Their treatment of me (my brother, like my father, had help in obtaining and keeping a 'real job') is not much better. The bottom line is they both work within the 'system' and they both hate women and treat them accordingly.


But the bit in bold. Let me go further. What man wants the mother of his babies to be sucking strangers cock and fuking them for a job?

Inflammatory rhetoric has shaded your posts since your first in this thread. I mean, duh, of course people are going to think it's bad if you refer to escorting this way, but those of us, unlike you, who actually know something about it, know that this life is not nearly as repulsive as you're making it out to be. Tone it down, rabble rouser.

*rabble, rabble, rabble*


In a family where there is a loving husband and a loving ts wife. Lets say with children as well (adopted or surragacy), would this ts want her children to know that mummy is a prostitute and that she sucks and fucks strangers? If there is nothing degrading about it, 'just a job', would she not feel a bit awkward with her kids knowing that in her 'happy family' this is what she is doing?

I think it depends. Obviously she wouldn't want them to know when they're little because they can't really process it, but as they get older, if they're raised in a sex-positive atmosphere, I really don't think it's that much worse then them knowing she's TS. And since sex work is fairly normal within our community as a matter of necessity, I think it's acceptable as a means of survival within reason. The world is not a Norman Rockwell painting.

~BB~

[Ineeda SM]

Some of these posts made me shake my damn head. Transsexuals are a different animal than GG's. Without escorting, some of us would not be able to survive, hence my comment about male financial control. So they want us to give up our incomes just to attempt a relationship with them, which may or may not end up being long term, but instead of suggesting a viable alternative ('go to school and get a job' is really no alternative when you have few or no resources), they essentially tell us that 'whores can't be trusted,' even though it's obvious that most trans escorts are actually the victims of economic vulnerability.

Even retired escorts seem to be getting a bad rep here. There's that 'damaged goods' mentality again. Look, if you don't want to be in a relationship with an escort or former escort, or can't handle it, then don't do it. I'd be remiss not to admit that it's not for everyone, but some of you guys need to stop blaming the girls for your own insecurity and jealousy. Believe me: it's much less important in the grand scheme of things than basic survival.

Plus there are lots of people in polyamorous relationships these days. Society is beginning to realize that even though humans mate for life based on cultural expectations, it's not our instinctual nature, hence so much cheating and divorce.

And sure, I agree with some of you that being with a girl who doesn't escort is ideal, lets be honest, if you can't change it, you should either deal with it or quit bitching and find a GG because, per capita, fewer of them are escorts. Collectively, we TS escorts generally don't trust those of you who want us to give up our livelihood and means of transition, regardless of anybody's feelings about it, because you let us down repeatedly.

For me personally, I'm sorry, but I don't think there are any saviors among you and I'm not going to leave myself vulnerable in order to prove myself wrong, but if some day I do find the right person, I'll quit escorting for them when I feel secure enough to do so. I just don't think it's fair of them to ask until they too are ready to deal with the potential consequences.

In short, this whole debate is really just a Mexican standoff.

~BB~

Bella you have the wrong idea of what we are saying. Honey if you were a doctor, nurse, librarian, cashier, or in any other profession, no one would ask you to give up your livelyhood or means of transition. No one is judging what an escort does, or what a TGurl is and has gone through to become who you are. All of that is just fine without objections.

It is the idea of a true love relationship being a one on one between 2 people. Anything else is just an understanding between 2 people who can have sex with anyone else. I was very much in love with, and lived with a TGurl for a few years until she was killed in a car crash. But we both worked for the same company, and fell in love. She was in accounting, and had never been in the adult industry. If she had been an escort, I would have been glad to be her friend, and even go out with her. But I never would have tried a serious relationship with her unless she stopped escorting.

You said that many of us guys let you down. I am sorry if that has happend to you or any TGurl. You have to know without question that not all of us guys are assholes like that. Us good guys seek the loving company of a TGurl, but not for money. Us good guys are looking for love, friendship, compassion, caring, and loyalty.

The problem is because of the business you are in. It doesn't matter if you are a TG or a GG. The situation is the same. If you have sex for money, you are more likely to attract a certain type of guy that won't appreciate you and treat you like a hooker. Those guys are assholes and don't know a good thing when they see it. They are just stupid and you don't deserve them. Actually, they don't deserve you because you are better than how they see you. But they can't see that. They see someone who charges for sex. To them, you are beneath their respect. To us good guys you are on the same level of earned respect. Believe me, assholes come in all genders and races. But it's who you yourself seek to be friends with that determines who looks down AT you, or deep into your heart. And just like respect, trust is earned, not given.

The entire argument is because sex for money as a job is not going to bring the good loyal guys to you. You may find a good guy outside of your work, and get along great. But once he finds out that you have sex with other guys for money, he will most likely put the breaks on. Escort's are not what us good guys want to settle down with and love with. Be good or best friends with, YES! Absolutely! But true love has to be found with someone who will be there to love only you.

[amberskyi]

Oh what a touchy subject. And an easy subject to get blown out of proportion.

First off, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being an escort. If that's what you want to do, and can make a good $$$ at it, then good for you. Fuck the morality bull shit of the closed minded. Go for it! Sex is good dirty fun. If you can make a few $$$ at it, hey why the fuck not. It's just another job where skill = $$$. PERIOD!

Now what is a relationship? I can see the type of relationship where an escort meets someone special outside of their work. They hit it off, and decide to see each other a lot as special friends. But the escort's friend will be someone who is not interested in a monogamous relationship. They are together out of a mutual understanding that the other can fuck around with anyone else if they so chose. No problem here. Enjoy your life.

Now, when committing to a true relationship where you are deeply in love, and will spend much of your life with that person, an escort can not have her love cake and eat someone else too. A loving relationship is a one on one where there is no cheating on your partner. This kind of relationship can not happen between an escort and their new lover. Any escort who claims they have a real true love relationship, and continues to escort as well, is just kidding themselves, or they have a very false idea of what a real true love relationship actually is.

No man who wants a real love relationship and commitment, will accept his woman fucking and sucking for money with dozens or even hundreds of other people. I wouldn't want that. That's just not how it works. I could see falling in love with an escort if she/he quits escorting forever, and commits to just me. I wouldn't care what they did before we became a couple, as long as they are loyal to me now.

An escort is just human, and fully capable of a true love relationship as anyone else is. If they want that true love relationship, they will have to stop escorting. If they don't stop escorting, they are not in a true love relationship. Instead, they are in a true LUST understanding. That can be good too if that is all you want. But it's not true love.

WOW this was full of judgement.what gives you the authority to tell people what type of relationship they have or are experiencing???????

[BellaBellucci]

It is the idea of a true love relationship being a one on one between 2 people. Anything else is just an understanding between 2 people who can have sex with anyone else.

So what you're saying is that you're against open-relationships and/or swinging, but not necessarily escorting in particular. That's fine, but it's just your opinion and like the other gentlemen here, you phrase it in an unequivocal, factual manner. I can see that you're trying to be as fair here as possible, but I think it might behoove you to check your wording.


If she had been an escort, I would have been glad to be her friend, and even go out with her. But I never would have tried a serious relationship with her unless she stopped escorting.

I never said you should. In fact, your mentality is exactly the one that I'm proposing men in your situation keep. It's the most fair situation for both parties. My animus is more directed towards those who feel that a woman who has ever escorted is 'damaged.' I'm here to tell you that while that may be true for some, nothing could be further from the truth for many others. The generalizations in this thread are killing me! :lol:


You said that many of us guys let you down. I am sorry if that has happend to you or any TGurl. You have to know without question that not all of us guys are assholes like that. Us good guys seek the loving company of a TGurl, but not for money. Us good guys are looking for love, friendship, compassion, caring, and loyalty.

All men say that. Some are capable. Most are not. And many more still make empty promises as a control tactic.


The problem is because of the business you are in. It doesn't matter if you are a TG or a GG. The situation is the same. If you have sex for money, you are more likely to attract a certain type of guy that won't appreciate you and treat you like a hooker.

Again, not true. I hate the Republican Party. That doesn't mean I don't have Republican friends. I can't stand gay culture. That doesn't mean I don't have gay friends. I don't like most escorts, but I like escorting. It's all in how important escorting is to a girl's lifestyle. If they see it as a job, then it's a job. If they turn it into their lifestyle, then that is where the real problems come in.

I may be an escort, but I'm also a writer, political activist, web developer, photographer, promoter, entrepreneur, mother, businesswoman, model, and a budding producer/director. I'm also a self-taught expert on many subjects ranging from law and politics to music, art, science, philosophy, history, sociology; I study everything and I better myself every day. I've always been very successful at everything I've tried and have always been considered an overachiever. I got into the escort business because I saw the rat race for what it is and opted not to join. I decided I deserved better than being just another brick in the wall and I use the freedom escorting provides me to pursue more important goals than chasing the almighty dollar.

I also stay loyal to one person and have never cheated in my entire life, not even for work. I use protection, I don't do casual sex, and I'm highly selective of my partners. All of that said, am I not deserving of a relationship with an understanding man or woman who will overlook the one arguably negative aspect of my life or help me find a viable way to replace it?


And just like respect, trust is earned, not given.

Absolutely, yet disrespect and mistrust run rampant in our society because everyone always has to put someone else down to make themselves feel better. And whose issues are those really?


The entire argument is because sex for money as a job is not going to bring the good loyal guys to you. You may find a good guy outside of your work, and get along great. But once he finds out that you have sex with other guys for money, he will most likely put the breaks on.

That statement is completely contradictory. Being an escort doesn't stop me from meeting a 'good guy outside of work,' and if he later 'put(s) the brakes on' because I'm an escort, then my being an escort didn't preclude me from meeting a 'good loyal guy,' did it?


Escort's are not what us good guys want to settle down with and love with. Be good or best friends with, YES! Absolutely! But true love has to be found with someone who will be there to love only you.

For me, I can love only one person, but I can't have sex with only one person (although I prefer my partner be present - I LOVE threesomes). And I don't intend to. That's regardless of whether or not I'm escorting. If someone can't handle that, then I won't be with them because I'm not looking to cheat, and perceived sexual monogamy is not the same thing as loyalty by a long shot. I'd be much more intimidated by my partner having what's been called an 'emotional affair' than a sexual one. Period.

~BB~

[Ineeda SM]

WOW this was full of judgement.what gives you the authority to tell people what type of relationship they have or are experiencing???????

Amber, name one line that judges anyone. I spoke the truth and I never judged anyone. I gave scenerios and said any of them are just fine. How is that judgement?

[amberskyi]

Amber, name one line that judges anyone. I spoke the truth and I never judged anyone. I gave scenerios and said any of them are just fine. How is that judgement?

"An escort is just human, and fully capable of a true love relationship as anyone else is. If they want that true love relationship, they will have to stop escorting. If they don't stop escorting, they are not in a true love relationship. Instead, they are in a true LUST understanding. That can be good too if that is all you want. But it's not true love."

while this may be your OPINION you state it as if its an absolute truth.love is simply just that love.its unconditional and simply just is.
while it may not be possible for YOU to love an escort i have been in two long term relationships (the only two relationships ive had ever lol).my recent ex was a great guy who really showed me that its possible for someone to love me for me and has really saved me from ending up bitter or jaded.after a year however i will admit that he asked me to stop and i made possibly one of the worst choices of my life.we are very close friends still tho and have a mutual understanding that we both still love eachother.
nevermind i think i just proved you some what correct lol.still,while we were together it was a very loving relationship.

[Ineeda SM]

So what you're saying is that you're against open-relationships and/or swinging, but not necessarily escorting in particular. That's fine, but it's just your opinion and like the other gentlemen here, you phrase it in an unequivocal, factual manner. I can see that you're trying to be as fair here as possible, but I think it might behoove you to check your wording.

No I never said that. I said if you want an understanding that both of you can still have sex with others, then good for you. Open-relationships are not my thing, but I don't condemn it for those who like that. You put me in a catagory that I don't belong in.



I never said you should. In fact, your mentality is exactly the one that I'm proposing men in your situation keep. It's the most fair situation for both parties. My animus is more directed towards those who feel that a woman who has ever escorted is 'damaged.' I'm here to tell you that while that may be true for some, nothing could be further from the truth for many others. The generalizations in this thread are killing me! :lol:

Again you reply to what I never said. I never claimed or implied that an escort was damaged.



All men say that. Some are capable. Most are not. And many more still make empty promises as a control tactic.

Like you just said, and I also said, many guys are assholes, but not all of us are like that. What I said I was looking for is the truth.


Again, not true. I hate the Republican Party. That doesn't mean I don't have Republican friends. I can't stand gay culture. That doesn't mean I don't have gay friends. I don't like most escorts, but I like escorting. It's all in how important escorting is to a girl's lifestyle. If they see it as a job, then it's a job. If they turn it into their lifestyle, then that is where the real problems come in.

I may be an escort, but I'm also a writer, political activist, web developer, photographer, promoter, entrepreneur, mother, businesswoman, model, and a budding producer/director. I'm also a self-taught expert on many subjects ranging from law and politics to music, art, science, philosophy, history, sociology; I study everything and I better myself every day. I've always been very successful at everything I've tried and have always been considered an overachiever. I got into the escort business because I saw the rat race for what it is and opted not to join. I decided I deserved better than being just another brick in the wall and I use the freedom escorting provides me to pursue more important goals than chasing the almighty dollar.

I also stay loyal to one person and have never cheated in my entire life, not even for work. I use protection, I don't do casual sex, and I'm highly selective of my partners. All of that said, am I not deserving of a relationship with an understanding man or woman who will overlook the one arguably negative aspect of my life or help me find a viable way to replace it?

That's great. You sound like a very smart independant person. But again you read what I said incorrectly. All I said was, any business that is illegal will always attract a certain type of people, and that is very true. Not all, but in many cases, It will be the type that does not appreciate you the way a good friend does. I even said you were better than them.


Absolutely, yet disrespect and mistrust run rampant in our society because everyone always has to put someone else down to make themselves feel better. And whose issues are those really?

Well you have a good point there, but you have judged me and many others by those you just talked about. And that is not fair because as I said, we are not all like that.


That statement is completely contradictory. Being an escort doesn't stop me from meeting a 'good guy outside of work, and if he later 'put(s) the brakes on' because I'm an escort, then my being an escort didn't preclude me from meeting a 'good loyal guy,' did it?

Bella. You are not reading what is being said. I even mentioned that you can meet good guys outside of work. And when I said he would put the brakes on, I said IF he is looking for a serious true love relationship. I didn't say he would put the brakes on and throw you away just because of what you do. Ypou are changing what I said, and putting words in my mouth I never said or implied.


For me, I can love only one person, but I can't have sex with only one person. And I don't intend to. That's regardless of whether or not I'm escorting. If someone can't handle that, then I won't be with them because I'm not looking to cheat, and perceived sexual monogamy is not the same thing as loyalty by a long shot. I'm much more intimidated by my partner having what's been called an 'emotional affair' than a sexual one. Period.

~BB~

First you said, "...but I can't have sex with only one person. And I don't intend to." Then in the next sentance you said, "If someone can't handle that, then I won't be with them because I'm not looking to cheat." You just admitted that you are incapable of a true love one on one relationship. Not able to have sex with only one person would be cheating on a true love partner. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

OK Bella. I guess we see true love relationships very differently. I see it as a loving monogamous relationship.....and you don't. If you are happy with that then go for it and enjoy. In any case, you are a smart and beautiful woman, and I wish you only the best. I certainly never intended to offend you in any way. I was just speaking my mind as to what makes a real true love relationship, and you DID misread much of what I said. And you misjudge me. And according to 90% of the replies in this thread, I am not alone. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Take care Bella. All my best.

[Ineeda SM]

"An escort is just human, and fully capable of a true love relationship as anyone else is. If they want that true love relationship, they will have to stop escorting. If they don't stop escorting, they are not in a true love relationship. Instead, they are in a true LUST understanding. That can be good too if that is all you want. But it's not true love."

while this may be your OPINION you state it as if its an absolute truth.love is simply just that love.its unconditional and simply just is.
while it may not be possible for YOU to love an escort i have been in two long term relationships (the only two relationships ive had ever lol).my recent ex was a great guy who really showed me that its possible for someone to love me for me and has really saved me from ending up bitter or jaded.after a year however i will admit that he asked me to stop and i made possibly one of the worst choices of my life.we are very close friends still tho and have a mutual understanding that we both still love eachother.
nevermind i think i just proved you some what correct lol.still,while we were together it was a very loving relationship.

LOL Yes Amber dear, you did just prove me correct. I never judged it. I just told it like it is What I said IS the absolute truth. But I have to reply to one thing you said. Love is NOT unconditional in any way. Love has many conditions that must be followed or it is not true love. There are conditions to every aspect of life. And love has many of them. You're still a babe Amber, and I admire yor butt very much. LOL:Bowdown:

[BellaBellucci]

No I never said that. I said if you want an understanding that both of you can still have sex with others, then good for you. Open-relationships are not my thing, but I don't condemn it for those who like that. You put me in a catagory that I don't belong in.

That's exactly what I said you said. I didn't argue with you; I just said you came on too strong. :?


Again you reply to what I never said. I never claimed or implied that an escort was damaged.

I never said you claimed anything. In fact I agreed with your statement here as well. :? :?


That's great. You sound like a very smart independant person. But again you read what I said incorrectly. All I said was, any business that is illegal will always attract a certain type of people, and that is very true. Not all, but in many cases, It will be the type that does not appreciate you the way a good friend does.

... and I said that, regardless of that fact that you're right, you're judging every escort based on a worst-case scenario.


Bella. You are not reading what is being said. I even mentioned that you can meet good guys outside of work. And when I said he would put the brakes on, I said IF he is looking for a serious true love relationship. I didn't say he would put the brakes on and throw you away just because of what you do. Ypou are changing what I said, and putting words in my mouth I never said or implied.

No, you're not reading what you've said. You said that being an escort doesn't attract quality men, with which I agreed. But then you went on to talk about a girl dating a man and him finding out later that she's an escort, and so I said that if they've gotten that far, it's had no bearing on the girl's ability to attract the 'good men' outside of work. Keep them, sure, but not attract.


First you said, "...but I can't have sex with only one person. And I don't intend to." Then in the next sentance you said, "If someone can't handle that, then I won't be with them because I'm not looking to cheat." You just admitted that you are incapable of a true love one on one relationship. Not able to have sex with only one person would be cheating on a true love partner. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

It's not cheating if you have consent or play with others together as a couple. In fact Kelly and her hubby do it all the time. Are you saying that they're cheating on each other? I'd say that's a pretty judgmental attitude and really not your call to make unless you're a consented party to their relationship.


OK Bella. I guess we see true love relationships very differently. I see it as a loving monogamous relationship.....and you don't. If you are happy with that then go for it and enjoy. In any case, you are a smart and beautiful woman, and I wish you only the best. I certainly never intended to offend you in any way. I was just speaking my mind as to what makes a real true love relationship, and you DID misread much of what I said. And you misjudge me. And according to 90% of the replies in this thread, I am not alone. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Take care Bella. All my best.

This is the first thing you should have said, not the last. But I'm not offended. I'm more concerned about your possessive, clingy, needy attitude towards women. You sound like you need a mommy, not a girlfriend, but that's just my :2cent.

~BB~

[BellaBellucci]

Love is NOT unconditional in any way. Love has many conditions that must be followed or it is not true love. There are conditions to every aspect of life.

Wrong. And not what I think Amber was saying. Love is unconditional or it's not love. Love is a force that binds, and once it does, that's it. You're not getting out of it.

Sure, relationships have conditions, but love most certainly does not. If it did, wedding vows wouldn't be to the death. How could they be? And sure, the reality is that they're not, but I've already beaten that point to death. :lol:

~BB~

[amberskyi]

LOL Yes Amber dear, you did just prove me correct. I never judged it. I just told it like it is What I said IS the absolute truth. But I have to reply to one thing you said. Love is NOT unconditional in any way. Love has many conditions that must be followed or it is not true love. There are conditions to every aspect of life. And love has many of them. You're still a babe Amber, and I admire yor butt very much. LOL:Bowdown:

sorry but my dad taught me that true,honest love is unconditional.thats just how i was raised.
ps.there is no such thing as absolute truth

[amberskyi]

Wrong. And not what I think Amber was saying. Love is unconditional or it's not love. Love is a force that binds, and once it does, that's it. You're not getting out of it.

Sure, relationships have conditions, but love most certainly does not. If it did, wedding vows wouldn't be to the death. How could they be? And sure, the reality is that they're not, but I've already beaten that point to death. :lol:

~BB~

i think i have a crush on you...shhh...lol

[Infern0]

clarifying here, you say love is unconditional, so if two people are in love then it's unconditional so one party should be allowed to escort if they want.

is this a correct summation?

[amberskyi]

clarifying here, you say love is unconditional, so if two people are in love then it's unconditional so one party should be allowed to escort if they want.

is this a correct summation?

im wondering who said that? because i know i didnt nor do i believe bella did.

[BellaBellucci]

clarifying here, you say love is unconditional, so if two people are in love then it's unconditional so one party should be allowed to escort if they want.

is this a correct summation?

Also wrong. What I'm saying is that two people should be allowed to define the parameters of their relationship without judgment. If two people choose to have escorting or polyamory as part of their lives, so be it. They shouldn't be told that their love isn't 'real.' I'd argue that it's probably more real than anybody else's because of the enormous amount of trust that would need to be built to allow such a relationship to endure.

~BB~

[Infern0]

im wondering who said that? because i know i didnt nor do i believe bella did.

I asked if that was what you meant because i got confused, obviously its not.

[amberskyi]

I asked if that was what you meant because i got confused, obviously its not.

right,you were confused lol

[Infern0]

right,you were confused lol

its the painkillers

[Ineeda SM]

That's exactly what I said you said. I didn't argue with you; I just said you came on too strong. :?

My humble appology, it was never intended that way. These threads get that way on both sides sometimes.


No, you're not reading what you've said. You said that being an escort doesn't attract quality men, with which I agreed. But then you went on to talk about a girl dating a man and him finding out later that she's an escort, and so I said that if they've gotten that far, it's had no bearing on the girl's ability to attract the 'good men' outside of work. Keep them, sure, but not attract.

Which proves my point exactly. I said you could attract the good guy outside of work. I said that a good guy (guy looking for a true love one on one relationship) you met OUTSIDE your work would put the brakes on brakes when he found out what you do. And that part is true if he is the type looking for the monogomous relationship. Finding out what you do would make monogomy impossible for him. Like you said, Keeping him.


It's not cheating if you have consent or play with others together as a couple. In fact Kelly and her hubby do it all the time. Are you saying that they're cheating on each other? I'd say that's a pretty judgmental attitude and really not your call to make unless you're a consented party to their relationship.

No they are not cheating on each other if that is the type of relationship they have, and I said just that before. But it's obviously not a true love monogomous relationship which is what I was talking about.




This is the first thing you should have said, not the last. But I'm not offended. I'm more concerned about your possessive, clingy, needy attitude towards women. You sound like you need a mommy, not a girlfriend, but that's just my :2cent.

~BB~

Bella, the problem with forums like this is, you can't hear how the words were intended. You don't get the infrence or inflections of the words. So it's easy to misread or misunderstand what is trying to be said. I think it is why so many of these threads get carried away or go way off topic. Maybe these threads should be voice posts instead of just text.

My TGurl friend that I lived with was named Kelly also. She knew me better than I knew myself. If she were alive today, Kelly would straighten your ass out about who I am. She would tell you that I am far from possessive, or clingy, or needy towards women. She would also tell you that I am definately not in need or search of a mommy type. NO NO NO NO! I have always treated women as equals. I never looked up or down at them. If anything is true, I pampered Kelly like my princess. I loved her so much. Having lived with a TGurl, I know what you ladies have gone through to be who you are. I also understand the prejudice that goes with it. Knowing and loving Kelly gave me a high respect for all TG/TV/TS and GG's. Kelly always reminded me that I was one of the good guys, and guys could learn a lesson from how I am understanding and treat people.

So get you ass straight about me before I have to spank it. Hmm Then again, you might enjoy that. LOL Just kidding. Your name is appropriate. It means beautiful in Italian, and you sure are. Take care Bella. Never any bad feelings.

[amberskyi]

its the painkillers

why are you on painkillers? hope your okay homie..

[BellaBellucci]

No they are not cheating on each other if that is the type of relationship they have, and I said just that before. But it's obviously not a true love monogomous relationship which is what I was talking about.

You're still equating love and monogamy and saying that any love relationship that doesn't have both isn't 'true.' They are not mutually exclusive and your comment is still judgmental.


Bella, the problem with forums like this is, you can't hear how the words were intended. You don't get the infrence or inflections of the words.

Umm, yeeaahhhh. Somehow I don't think that's the problem.


So get you ass straight about me before I have to spank it. Hmm Then again, you might enjoy that. LOL Just kidding. Your name is appropriate. It means beautiful in Italian, and you sure are. Take care Bella. Never any bad feelings.

Please don't kiss my ass now. I hate that shit. :geek:

~BB~

[Ineeda SM]

im wondering who said that? because i know i didnt nor do i believe bella did.

Amber, here is a direct quote from you.


...love is simply just that love. its unconditional and simply just is.


Go back to page 2 and read post number 118

[Infern0]

why are you on painkillers? hope your okay homie..

yeah, its just a knee injury, these things make me drowsy though.

[Ineeda SM]

Wrong. And not what I think Amber was saying. Love is unconditional or it's not love. Love is a force that binds, and once it does, that's it. You're not getting out of it.

Sure, relationships have conditions, but love most certainly does not. If it did, wedding vows wouldn't be to the death. How could they be? And sure, the reality is that they're not, but I've already beaten that point to death. :lol:

~BB~

Oh come on now Bella. If a wedding vow is not clearly stated conditions, then what is it?

By the way. I am great at kissing ass. LOL....

[Boardwalkempire]

yeah, its just a knee injury, these things make me drowsy though.

What are you on bro? Vicodin?

[Infern0]

What are you on bro? Vicodin?

some shit called hydrocodone

[BellaBellucci]

Oh come on now Bella. If a wedding vow is not clearly stated conditions, then what is it?

By the way. I am great at kissing ass. LOL....

Are you for real?

'... through sickness and health.'

'... til death do us part.'

It sounds pretty unconditional to me. :geek:

Please do yourself a favor and just stop there.

~BB~

[Boardwalkempire]

some shit called hydrocodone


Oh ya thats the same shit as Vicodin just the generic version. Next time try to get Oxy if you really wanna feel good lol

Watch out tho it can be VERY addicting

[BellaBellucci]

some shit called hydrocodone

That's Vicodin. My husband, Dr. Gregory House, Head Diagnostician at Princeton/Plainsboro Hospital in New Jersey, has a drawer full of them. ;)

~BB~

[amberskyi]

Amber, here is a direct quote from you.



Go back to page 2 and read post number 118

i know what i wrote sir.maybe you need to read what i was replying to before you try to make me out to be some kind of hypocrite.
nowhere did i say unconditional love = date escorts.
i was saying its not your place to tell someone what is and isnt love.nor is it your place to tell someone whether or not their relationship is monogamous.its up to the couple to decide what monogamy means to them.
i have no problem with your views as they pertain to you.what i do take issue with is how you try to make your opinions fact and indirectly try to demean our experiences.

[BellaBellucci]

what i do take issue with is how you try to make your opinions fact and indirectly try to demean our experiences.

Oh, no. I'd say he was pretty direct. :lol:

~BB~

[amberskyi]

That's Vicodin. My husband, Dr. Gregory House, Head Diagnostician at Princeton/Plainsboro Hospital in New Jersey, has a drawer full of them. ;)

~BB~

okay.so we kinda need to stop dating the same people.this is becoming a problem. first maynard and now house.this has been a very devastating day for me lol

[Ineeda SM]

Are you for real?

'... through sickness and health.'

'... til death do us part.'

It sounds pretty unconditional to me. :geek:

Please do yourself a favor and just stop there.

~BB~

Unconditional would mean there are no conditions of any kind. When you say "I DO" to a vow, (To love, honor, and cherish) you are agreeing to the conditions that were stated in the vows. NOW! Promising to love unconditionally means you will abide by those vows no matter what, without failure. I guess it all depends on your point of view.

OK NO more. I'm done. I just couldn't resist.

[Boardwalkempire]

okay.so we kinda need to stop dating the same people.this is becoming a problem. first maynard and now house.this has been a very devastating day for me lol


You can just date me then...:)

[amberskyi]

yeah, its just a knee injury, these things make me drowsy though.

aww..well i hope you feel better.
you should share some of those pills tho,they would go great with my four lokos lol...jk..

[BellaBellucci]

Unconditional would mean there are no conditions of any kind. When you say "I DO" to a vow, (To love, honor, and cherish) you are agreeing to the conditions that were stated in the vows. NOW! Promising to love unconditionally means you will abide by those vows no matter what, without failure. I guess it all depends on your point of view.

OK NO more. I'm done. I just couldn't resist.

Love, honor, and cherish? Those aren't conditions of love, they're conditions of marriage. Please don't get ever get married. You have no idea what love and marriage even are. Just do the world a favor and stay single. Forever. :rolleyes:

We're done here. I'm going to bed. Thank you for attempting intellectual discourse with me, but you're epically FAIL. :lol:

~BB~

[Infern0]

aww..well i hope you feel better.
you should share some of those pills tho,they would go great with my four lokos lol...jk..

are they as bad as i hear?

up there with an absynthe mixer?

[amberskyi]

Unconditional would mean there are no conditions of any kind. When you say "I DO" to a vow, (To love, honor, and cherish) you are agreeing to the conditions that were stated in the vows. NOW! Promising to love unconditionally means you will abide by those vows no matter what, without failure. I guess it all depends on your point of view.

OK NO more. I'm done. I just couldn't resist.

and that was exactly my point about unconditional love.relationships have conditions yes but i dont think love does.even tho we cant be together right now i still love my ex and he still loves me.

[amberskyi]

You can just date me then...:)

i cant remember if i like you or not lol

[BellaBellucci]

okay.so we kinda need to stop dating the same people.this is becoming a problem. first maynard and now house.this has been a very devastating day for me lol

I'm open to sharing. Now that's true love baby! We're talking about a bad ass foursome here. :fuckin:


i cant remember if i like you or not lol

That's kinda his 'thing,' hence the troll threads about him that you may have missed. :lol:

~BB~

[Ineeda SM]

Damn you gals are touchy. You can't even tell when someone is kidding with you.

It's like being the only guy in a room full of women. Nothing the guy says will ever be right, and everything he says will be twisted around to mean something different so they can argue with him more.

I thought everyone was entitled to their opinions. Guess I was wrong there too.

Sorry. I won't bother you anymore.

[Infern0]

ain't you 6'2" amber?

I'd like to have a girlfriend my own height, i went out with a 5'1" G/G once, i almost had to get on my knees to kiss her.

[amberskyi]

are they as bad as i hear?

up there with an absynthe mixer?

i love absinthe.you know what they say...'it makes the heart grow fonder' lol
but four lokos is the shit...two of them and im faded lol

[Boardwalkempire]

i cant remember if i like you or not lol

I cant ether. But im the infamous BYE lol

[Boardwalkempire]

ain't you 6'2" amber?

I'd like to have a girlfriend my own height, i went out with a 5'1" G/G once, i almost had to get on my knees to kiss her.

lol I dated a taller girl and it was not cool.

[BellaBellucci]

Damn you gals are touchy. You can't even tell when someone is kidding with you.

It's like being the only guy in a room full of women. Nothing the guy says will ever be right, and everything he says will be twisted around to mean something different so they can argue with him more.

I thought everyone was entitled to their opinions. Guess I was wrong there too.

Sorry. I won't bother you anymore.

Nobody twisted a word you said and it doesn't take a room full of women to tell you that you're wrong. Sometimes, like love, it's just true.

You can't expect to come here and dictate how people should live their lives, especially with such a weak argument. :geek:

Now I bid you goodnite sir.

~BB~

[amberskyi]

ain't you 6'2" amber?

I'd like to have a girlfriend my own height, i went out with a 5'1" G/G once, i almost had to get on my knees to kiss her.

why yes i am but ive been told im pretty proportionate for my height

[theone1982]

why yes i am but ive been told im pretty proportionate for my height

Perfect!:Bowdown:

[Boardwalkempire]

why yes i am but ive been told im pretty proportionate for my height

Not gonna lie you can be 7ft tall...your just sexy..

You live in Cali?

[amberskyi]

I'm open to sharing. Now that's true love baby! We're talking about a bad ass foursome here. :fuckin:



That's kinda his 'thing,' hence the troll threads about him that you may have missed. :lol:

~BB~

belle you have no idea how bad ass that would be and by bad ass i mean freaky,sexy,strange

[amberskyi]

I cant ether. But im the infamous BYE lol

for some reason im thinking your a douche lol.guess i gotta go thru your posts

[Infern0]

lol I dated a taller girl and it was not cool.

i'm 6'2" and a half to be precise, so we'd be alright

[Boardwalkempire]

for some reason im thinking your a douche lol.guess i gotta go thru your posts

What? Why would you think that?

[amberskyi]

i'm 6'2" and a half to be precise, so we'd be alright

.... :D

[fred41]

Well....to summarize some of the last two "big debate" pages: Love is an emotion...it can't have conditions because it's ...well, it's an emotion not an physical act. A relationship on the other hand is a type of pact between two people who are in love (hopefully)...so there may well be conditions.
However, since love is an emotion (sometimes a very strong one depending on the individual)...you may still stay in a relationship with a woman...even if she laughs at most of your conditions...lol...sometimes all of them...LMAO.

All that being said...whether you are in love or not...relationships have to be broken off, or not started at all if they are going to continuously cause harm to a person either physically or emotionally...bottom line...but only an individual can determine that...not a blanket statement.

[T'amore]

heell yeah

[bighicknyc]

Shouldn't the question be would she start a relationship with us? As much as you guys may complain about her having sex with other men, how many of you have never cheated. At least you know what she does in the begining

[nosferatus666]

I had a relationship with an escort girl
Everythng started as client-provider relationship and suddenly i was dating her.
I didn't took the relationship too serious, I regret now, I keep it casually, but feelings started to grow,and I couldn't deny the fact I was missing her.
What was killing me was her "job", I guess is hard to share a sexual relationship. I couldn't do better, finally she moved to the west coast, and I needed to move on
Now the time has passed and I can say, that it is hard , at least it was for me to think she is in bed with somebody else...selfishness from my part
I will not want to live that experience again, if is possible to love an escort, yes I am sure

[Ineeda SM]

I had a relationship with an escort girl
Everythng started as client-provider relationship and suddenly i was dating her.
I didn't took the relationship too serious, I regret now, I keep it casually, but feelings started to grow,and I couldn't deny the fact I was missing her.
What was killing me was her "job", I guess is hard to share a sexual relationship. I couldn't do better, finally she moved to the west coast, and I needed to move on
Now the time has passed and I can say, that it is hard , at least it was for me to think she is in bed with somebody else...selfishness from my part
I will not want to live that experience again, if is possible to love an escort, yes I am sure

NO you're not being selfish. It's a very normal feeling to want her for yourself if you are really in love with her. But that was the problem. You were in love, and she was still fucking guys for cash. That's not true love, and never could be. No guy who is looking for true love could handle that kind of relationship.

[openingwide4u]

in a heartbeat!!

[dderek123]

As a general rule of thumb ..... Fuck no! Way too much baggage.

Some handle their baggage better than others though.

[BigDF]

I had a relationship with an escort girl
Everythng started as client-provider relationship and suddenly i was dating her.
I didn't took the relationship too serious, I regret now, I keep it casually, but feelings started to grow,and I couldn't deny the fact I was missing her.
What was killing me was her "job", I guess is hard to share a sexual relationship. I couldn't do better, finally she moved to the west coast, and I needed to move on
Now the time has passed and I can say, that it is hard , at least it was for me to think she is in bed with somebody else...selfishness from my part
I will not want to live that experience again, if is possible to love an escort, yes I am sureSure it's difficult to think of her in bed with someone else, but there is definitely a difference between fucking and making love. I think in order to have a loving relationship with an escort, you have to be able to understand that difference, which I think takes a while for most guys and some never really understand that.

[Solitary Brother]

Think about what your asking.
Why would ANYONE want that?
I have an even better question.....Ask the escorts that frequent this board if THEY would date another escort!

[alyssaluxor]

Think about what your asking.
Why would ANYONE want that?
I have an even better question.....Ask the escorts that frequent this board if THEY would date another escort!

a big YES!

ive dated and even had a bf whos an escort and love it so much! we even had 3some sometimes fantastic time spent together ;)

[Ineeda SM]

Think about what your asking.
Why would ANYONE want that?
I have an even better question.....Ask the escorts that frequent this board if THEY would date another escort!

Dating? Sure they do. Live together? Sure they do that too. But ask them if they could ever have a true love one on one relationship with an escort.

The true love one on one is not possible if one is still an escort. Those who say yes they have done it, are in denial of what true love is. You can date an escort and even live with one. But if they are still escorting, you are in an open relationship based on lust and close friendship. Which is absolutely great if that is what you want.

Most of the guys replying here are looking at (RELATIONSHIP) as a true love one on one relationship. The escorts replying here are looking at it as their business and if they want a relationship outside of work, it has to be an open type of relationship where true love between 2 people only can not exist.

Once again, I am not saying that the open friendship based on lust is a bad thing as long as both of you understand and agree that is how it will be. By all means, enjoy, have fun, and be happy. Just please don't try to say it is the same kind of true love that is shared between 2 monogamous people.

[BellaBellucci]

Think about what your asking.
Why would ANYONE want that?
I have an even better question.....Ask the escorts that frequent this board if THEY would date another escort!

Absolutely. I married one. :geek:

~BB~

[MdR Dave]

The true love one on one is not possible . . .in denial of what true love is. . . an open type of relationship where true love between 2 people only can not exist. . .Just please don't try to say it is the same kind of true love that is shared between 2 monogamous people.

"You act like you've never had love, and you want me to go without.". U2

You don't choose who you love.

Only what you do about it.

[Ineeda SM]

"You act like you've never had love, and you want me to go without.". U2

That comment makes no sense at all. Not one thing I have said would imply that I have never had love, and didn't want anyone else to have it neither. Of course I have had true love. I have been married, and I've lived with men, GG and TG that I loved deeply. Always faithful to them and them only as long as the relationship lasted. And I would like for everyone to have true love. There is nothing else as wonderful in the universe. But how on earth do you come up with your U2 comment from this conversation?


You don't choose who you love.

Only what you do about it.

That makes sense. Love just happens if it is real. But it also has nothing to do with this conversation. The original poster asked, "Would you start a relationship with an escort? From my very first post in this thread, all I have been trying to do is determine which kind of relationship the original poster was asking about.

1. An open relationship of lust and friendship where both people agree that they can fuck whoever they want on the side, even if it is for money,....or...

2. A true love, 1 on 1 monogamous relationship where nobody can cheat.

There is a big difference between them. The first would say yes, sounds hot. But the second would say no, or at least not until she quit escorting to be faithful to me, then yes. You can't have both. It's either open where anything goes, or true love shared between 2 people only. Both are just fine for those who chose them. I just wanted to know which they meant.

[Quiet Reflections]

To the people that said no (like myself), are there any circumstances that would make you change your mind? There are some very beautiful girls in the escort and porn business , If you had a legitimate shot at a relationship with your dream girl but she was still working would you give it a shot?

[kensterling]

Dating another escort is by far the best relatioship I have had so far. It just works.

[Boardwalkempire]

To the people that said no (like myself), are there any circumstances that would make you change your mind? There are some very beautiful girls in the escort and porn business , If you had a legitimate shot at a relationship with your dream girl but she was still working would you give it a shot?

No There is no circumstance in the world where i could start a relationship with an escort or porn star.

I like to treat my "love" like Gold, I like to think they are special ..But if everyone who is willing to pay an hours rate or has access to google has seen her goodies then its really not that special.

Im old fashioned. Not here to judge people that do..But a relationship is not something I would do no matter what.

[Quiet Reflections]

That comment makes no sense at all. Not one thing I have said would imply that I have never had love, and didn't want anyone else to have it neither. Of course I have had true love. I have been married, and I've lived with men, GG and TG that I loved deeply. Always faithful to them and them only as long as the relationship lasted. And I would like for everyone to have true love. There is nothing else as wonderful in the universe. But how on earth do you come up with your U2 comment from this conversation?



That makes sense. Love just happens if it is real. But it also has nothing to do with this conversation. The original poster asked, "Would you start a relationship with an escort? From my very first post in this thread, all I have been trying to do is determine which kind of relationship the original poster was asking about.

1. An open relationship of lust and friendship where both people agree that they can fuck whoever they want on the side, even if it is for money,....or...

2. A true love, 1 on 1 monogamous relationship where nobody can cheat.

There is a big difference between them. The first would say yes, sounds hot. But the second would say no, or at least not until she quit escorting to be faithful to me, then yes. You can't have both. It's either open where anything goes, or true love shared between 2 people only. Both are just fine for those who chose them. I just wanted to know which they meant.
you may not be able to but there are people all over the world that have open relationships and are truly in love(I like most am not one of those people). What is considered cheating and what the limits of an open relationship are not cut and dry. And True love defies all definition as it manifests itself differently for every person.

[Ineeda SM]

you may not be able to but there are people all over the world that have open relationships and are truly in love(I like most am not one of those people). What is considered cheating and what the limits of an open relationship are not cut and dry. And True love defies all definition as it manifests itself differently for every person.

I am sure many people think that way, and if that belief makes them happy, then so be it. Great for them, I wish them only the best.

For most of us guys, true love is a special feeling shared between 2 people ONLY. If an escort quits working as an escort for me, I would be happy to be with her, and yes I could fall in love with her. That feeling of knowing she is only for me, and I am only for her is what makes love it's strongest. It's a bond of love and faithfulness like no other. That's true love.

As I have tried to say many times but few listen, I am not judging anyone for what they chose to do. I just can not understand how anyone could fall in true love with an escort who is fucking dozens or even hundreds of guys for money. I could see being good close friends with an escort where we fuck a lot and really enjoy our time and each other. But true love isn't your girlfriend sharing hot 'n heavy sex with hundreds of guys for cash. Come on now. Let's use a little common sense here. Anyone who thinks that is true love, is just fooling themselves to feel empowered.

[BellaBellucci]

I am sure many people think that way, and if that belief makes them happy, then so be it. Great for them, I wish them only the best.

For most of us guys, true love is a special feeling shared between 2 people ONLY. If an escort quits working as an escort for me, I would be happy to be with her, and yes I could fall in love with her. That feeling of knowing she is only for me, and I am only for her is what makes love it's strongest. It's a bond of love and faithfulness like no other. That's true love.

As I have tried to say many times but few listen, I am not judging anyone for what they chose to do. I just can not understand how anyone could fall in true love with an escort who is fucking dozens or even hundreds of guys for money. I could see being good close friends with an escort where we fuck a lot and really enjoy our time and each other. But true love isn't your girlfriend sharing hot 'n heavy sex with hundreds of guys for cash. Come on now. Let's use a little common sense here. Anyone who thinks that is true love, is just fooling themselves to feel empowered.

We heard you the first dozen times. Some people agree, some disagree. 'True love' is open to interpretation and nobody has been as disrespectful to others' opinions as you seem to be. Moving on. :rolleyes:

~BB~

[Ineeda SM]

We heard you the first dozen times. Some people agree, some disagree. 'True love' is open to interpretation and nobody has been as disrespectful to others' opinions as you seem to be. Moving on. :rolleyes:

~BB~

Bella honey. You keep saying you're moving on, but you are still here in this thread knowing I am going to reply to others who agree with me, (A lot). And yet you are the only one here that keeps arguing back to me with rudeness. Maybe you just like to argue rudely. I have noticed you do this in a few other threads too. I think it's just in your nature and you can't help it, so you are forgiven beautiful.

[alyssaluxor]

Dating another escort is by far the best relatioship I have had so far. It just works.

:fuckin:

[BellaBellucci]

And yet you are the only one here that keeps arguing back to me with rudeness.

Oh no! Was I rude? That's too bad. Are you going to cry now or something?! :lol:

Stop devaluing love for people who disagree with you (and you should go back and read the thread again because there are many more than you think) and nobody will have to be rude. You repeatedly state your 'opinion' as if it's a fact so you get what you deserve.

We get it. Only your kind of love is 'real.' Next you're going to tell me that your 'faith' in 'God' makes 'him' real too, right? :lol:

~BB~

[MdR Dave]

That comment makes no sense at all. Not one thing I have said would imply that I have never had love, and didn't want anyone else to have it neither. Of course I have had true love. . .

Everything you have said (and said, and said, ad nauseum) made me respond that way. Who are you tying to convince that you know what love is?

Sometimes it unfolds, or it strikes me like a bolt of lightning. But stick with your strictures, the doctrine you have set forth. "Monogamous? Check. Perfect? Check. Rational? Check".

You should fill out a questionnaire before you even say the word, or just pay by the hour and not call it love.

[Ineeda SM]

Oh no! Was I rude? That's too bad. Are you going to cry now or something?! :lol:

Of course not. I am beginning to enjoy your....arrogant retorts. Especially since I know it is just your nature and you can't help it. Admit it. You love to argue with rudeness. It's who you are. And I like it. I want you badly.LOL

Oh! Did you notice MdR Dave's reply? He kinda sides with you, but he didn't stoop to your rudeness to express his view.


Stop devaluing love for people who disagree with you (and you should go back and read the thread again because there are many more than you think) and nobody will have to be rude. You repeatedly state your 'opinion' as if it's a fact so you get what you deserve.

I have not devalued true love for anyone, nor would I ever try. Love is wonderful. Oh by the way honey, I took your wonderful advice and went back and re-read the entire thread. At least 90% of the guys who replied, felt the same way I do. They understand the real meaning of true love. I repeatedly state my opinion as fact because it is a fact. Where you are concerned, I am never wrong. LMAO. I noticed you keep replying with your own repeated comments against me. My guess is you really like me and can't resist arguing with me to be closer.


We get it. Only your kind of love is 'real.' Next you're going to tell me that your 'faith' in 'God' makes 'him' real too, right? :lol:

~BB~
No actually I am an Atheist. So I already knew that the god thing is just bull shit. But you are right that only my kind of love is real. It must be real, because I said so. Are you going to move on yet? I hope not beautiful. Damn you turn me on. Woof! LOL

[amberskyi]

really??you guys are still stuck on this?dont yall have lifes to live or "real love" to enjoy lmfao

[phobun]

really??you guys are still stuck on this?dont yall have lifes to live or "real love" to enjoy lmfao


Only on the first of the month or until they blow their paychecks.

[Ineeda SM]

Everything you have said (and said, and said, ad nauseum) made me respond that way. Who are you tying to convince that you know what love is?
No one. Just telling it like it is, and most people seem to agree. If everyone disagreed and argued back at me, I would say you have a point, and let it go. But that's not how this thread seems to have unfolded.


..... But stick with your strictures, the doctrine you have set forth. "Monogamous? Check. Perfect? Check. Rational? Check".
Now that's how most people respond when they don't really have a response. There is no set doctrine. Just reality.


You should fill out a questionnaire before you even say the word, or just pay by the hour and not call it love.
Now you're back to not making any sense. Questionnaire? Why is this a dating service and you are going to match me up with your computerized matcher program? And I would never pay for sex. I will never be that desperate.

[Ineeda SM]

really??you guys are still stuck on this?dont yall have lifes to live or "real love" to enjoy lmfao

Awwww come on. It's free entertainment for me and my guests. When the going gets tough, have fun with it. Life's too short to take all this crap too seriously.

[MdR Dave]

words, words,words. .

All that AND you didn't see the rudeness in my reply?

Now I just feel dirty.

I'm gonna go to the senior center and tell everyone their kids are coming for a visit tomorrow morning. That might help clear my conscience.

[fred41]

No one. Just telling it like it is, and most people seem to agree. If everyone disagreed and argued back at me, I would say you have a point, and let it go. But that's not how this thread seems to have unfolded.


Now that's how most people respond when they don't really have a response. There is no set doctrine. Just reality.


Now you're back to not making any sense. Questionnaire? Why is this a dating service and you are going to match me up with your computerized matcher program? And I would never pay for sex. I will never be that desperate.

Okay...guess I'm gonna have to respond...I agree most relationships can't work that way...however your assumptions based on what most men would say about "true love" is interesting. Don't want to be argumentative...but "most" men in the world would argue that "true love" can only be between a man and a woman....but you disagree with that.

You also make the assumption that you would have to be desperate to pay for sex...but you are willing to sleep with men. It's no secret that finding a man to sleep with is incredibly easy...so I would have to say though I've paid for sex in the past...i would never be so desperate to sleep with a man.

[Ineeda SM]

Okay...guess I'm gonna have to respond...I agree most relationships can't work that way...however your assumptions based on what most men would say about "true love" is interesting. Don't want to be argumentative...but "most" men in the world would argue that "true love" can only be between a man and a woman....but you disagree with that.
I was referring to the MOST MEN in this thread (not the world) that have clearly stated their opinions like I have. The men here are not like most men in the world. My arguement from the beginning is that true love can only be between 2 people. The genders do not matter. M/M, M/F, F/F M/TG, F/TG...etc plays no part in the issue. I am saying 2 people, PERIOD. So in a small way, you could include most men in the world.


You also make the assumption that you would have to be desperate to pay for sex...but you are willing to sleep with men. It's no secret that finding a man to sleep with is incredibly easy...so I would have to say though I've paid for sex in the past...i would never be so desperate to sleep with a man.
Never being desperate enough to pay for sex is not an assumption, it's the truth for me. I am Bi-sexual. So being willing to sleep with (or even fall in love with) a man, a woman or a TGurl is all considered normal for me.

[Ineeda SM]

All that AND you didn't see the rudeness in my reply?

Now I just feel dirty.


LMAO! I said the you did not stoop to the level of Bella's rudeness to make your point. Your rudeness was mild and used tact. Bella's rudeness is like a NY street walker. Pure arrogance without patients. Unable to reason with tact. But I still think she secretly likes me. LOL

[fred41]

I was referring to the MOST MEN in this thread (not the world) that have clearly stated their opinions like I have .

Most men in this thread agree that they couldn't have a relationship with an escort...(I've read all the posts)...but they don't try to put a definition to "true love" the way you do. Some posters actually came out and made the distinction.

[Ineeda SM]

Most men in this thread agree that they couldn't have a relationship with an escort...(I've read all the posts)...but they don't try to put a definition to "true love" the way you do. Some posters actually came out and made the distinction.

Read them again. Many expressed the same reason that I do. And the ones that didn't clearly implied it. I am just being more explicit with my responses.

[fred41]

Read them again. Many expressed the same reason that I do. And the ones that didn't clearly implied it. I am just being more explicit with my responses.

LMAO..we're just never gonna completely agree on this.

[Ineeda SM]

LMAO..we're just never gonna completely agree on this.

LMAO Like I said Fred41, life is too short to take this shit too seriously. It's just everyones opinions. Whatever make us happy is all that matters in the end.

[lovetheladies]

ive been dating my girl now for two years,it can be hard sometimes but we do love each other very much.i sometimes forget what she does when we are together but if her phone rings my heart breaks everytime,and i try to keep smiling and not show her how i feel, but she knows.just because she is an escort doesnt mean that we can be in love so who knows what will happen in the future,just happy together at the moment

[thaibound]

Marraige, love and family isnt a 'control game', it's how society works and has worked for tens of thousands of years.
.

not really.
until the 20th century marriage was primarily a financial arrangement between families and/or enforced by kings/chiefs/tribal rulers of whatever ilk.
over the course of the last millenium the Church has cloaked marriage in mysticism (religion) but love was something that the couple only -- if lucky -- gradually discovered through the course of their relationship, which, btw, most often lasted only a decade or two before one of the couple died.
only in our grandparents' lifetimes has 'until death do us part' come to hold such a long and heavy burden as our life expectancies expand faster than porn sites on the web. (okay, maybe not *that* fast.)

as for your "tens of thousands of years" reference, i'll assume you were employing hyperbole, as i believe that time frame would precede recorded history altogether, much less anything resembling marriage licenses, or even "society" as we now know it.

the closest you'd ever get to that long-ago time with any relevance to our current age would be through what we all know to be the world's oldest profession. which is to say, prostitution -- which has proven to be a much more lasting basis for a relationship between human beings than marriage ever will be.

so i'm not about to dismiss anyone's loving relationship with an escort, regardless of how the current embodiment of society might frown or what romantic illusions it might corrupt.

and that's not just because 3 of the 5 women i've ever loved were ATF's, not traditional girlfriends/wives. nor because number 6 probably will be as well. after all, the leanest, meanest, sexiest, most powerful, beautiful, and independent women available in the world today occupy a much greater percentage of the escort world than they do the world in general. and that statistic grows more true every day.

especially among those earthly angels who happen to be hung.

:yingyang:

[bte]

I don't know, if I like the person then I would get in a relationship with them. It wouldn't bother me, but I would think the more I think about it and the more I think about random dicks being inserted in my g/f poopchute, then I would probably end the relationship.

[nolimitsmale]

I would certainly enter into a relationship with an escort, preferably a Professional Domme. That way She would be in control of her clients and sex would probably not be an issue during sessions with her clients.
In my view, escorting is just another job. If your partner loves and respects you then she will not run off with one of her clients.

[testtickle]

I was interested in your message. I went out with a TS for quite some time. She was an escort and at one point, we sopped having sex for quite a number of weeks - and she stopped escorting as well. Then she admitted that she'd done a bareback session and was worried about her HIV status. It was all OK but she kept on barebacking for selected clients, who she checked out carefully. She was constantly asking me "if it's all right". We were really short of money at the time, so I said I'd leave it to her to make the decision. I got used to what she was doing and the subject didn't crop up in conversations in any negative way. What she did at work, was work and as far as I know, she was never unfaithful outside of the work environment. (but obviously, I had concerns). Strangely enough, one night when a client was dropping her back home, I peeped through the windows and saw them kissing. Have to say that I felt more jealous witnessing this, than the thought of her doing bareback with her clients. Strange how we judge relationships... We stayed together for quite some time - nearly three years - but the relationship finally ended when she left the area. Looking back I guess the escorting did place a lot of pressures that probably impacted on the outcome.
Have to say, she was drop dead gorgeous and gave the best massages imaginable. Pity it ended.


ive been dating my girl now for two years,it can be hard sometimes but we do love each other very much.i sometimes forget what she does when we are together but if her phone rings my heart breaks everytime,and i try to keep smiling and not show her how i feel, but she knows.just because she is an escort doesnt mean that we can be in love so who knows what will happen in the future,just happy together at the moment

[Bobby Domino]

I've had 3 relationships with escorts. I'm very open-minded and was not ready to become a sugar daddy or begin to question her decisions. We always have fun initially, but the insecurities about being a pro, let alone a t-girl, always made the relation difficult. Lots of questions with no answers. I always tried to be supportive, but those relationships never lasted more than 3-6 months. I kept a relationship with a fantastic girl for over 5 years but we chose to be strictly sexual and platonic. That seemed to work the best. It's pretty tough. Escorting can be addictive and if there are no other aspirations, what can you do but be supportive. All that said, I would attempt it again. I'm a hopeless romantic...

[Bobby Domino]

Actually it's more likely you'll pick up a disease from a casual encounter than a professional sex worker, since most of those tend to be very conscious of the risks.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[TJ347]

I don't know, if I like the person then I would get in a relationship with them. It wouldn't bother me, but I would think the more I think about it and the more I think about random dicks being inserted in my g/f poopchute, then I would probably end the relationship.

So then it would, in fact, bother you.

"I couldn't/wouldn't do it..." This is always overwhelmingly what guys here say whenever this topic comes up; I remember pretty much the exact same arguments being presented last time, and it will ever be the same, regardless of why. This shouldn't be surprising, whether you're an escort or not.

[curiousz]

For sure, as long as she is careful about STDs. That whole jealousy crap wouldn't bean issue for me at all. As long as she's enjoying her job, go for it.

[Daninho]

I Would personally date an escort i mean if you have chemistry with someone and that connection which you don't find with no1 else then why not..

As long as you have that understanding their shouldn't be no probz

[payload4]

Its a catch 22...The only way you can "date" an escort and feel comfortable with it is if you are really rich. If not, then you just feel like crap if you really like her but she has to lay on her back for money, but if you have enough money to take care of her and look out for her, then great, but if all she knows how to do is lay on her back for cash and has no others skills, then you will find yourself in deep trouble when times get hard. I "dated" an escort once but it lasted for only a few weeks, its just one of those things, a escort does not make a good girlfriend if you treat her like a girlfriend, when she is used to being an escort and getting money whenever she wants to. The escort I dated I treated like a typical girlfriend, in the end business is business. Never would I mix business with pleasure...

[RaskiaLorenz]

Great thread!

I think when there is love, there are some acceptance or I would say tolerance.

I'm with a guy for the past 3 years, actually we are married, when we first me he didn't know I was a ts and and escort. It was hard tell him after a few weeks that I was a TS and much harder tell him later I was an escort.

He stopped speaking with me for days, but when the guy is already in love with the girl, and he is not rich enough to take you out of the escort life, for more than he doesn't accept the escort job, he will tolerate it in some cases.

Well that's my case anyway, and for me he is more man than all the others for having the heart to take it.

sorry for the bad English, I'm still new posting in this section =)

xx

[Ineeda SM]

Holy shit is this thread still going?

[jaydubb]

Do I have to pay to fuck her?

[maaarc]

Great thread!

I think when there is love, there are some acceptance or I would say tolerance.

I'm with a guy for the past 3 years, actually we are married, when we first me he didn't know I was a ts and and escort. It was hard tell him after a few weeks that I was a TS and much harder tell him later I was an escort.

He stopped speaking with me for days, but when the guy is already in love with the girl, and he is not rich enough to take you out of the escort life, for more than he doesn't accept the escort job, he will tolerate it in some cases.

Well that's my case anyway, and for me he is more man than all the others for having the heart to take it.

sorry for the bad English, I'm still new posting in this section =)

xx

I just took the liberty of googling your name and I can see why your guy is OK with the situation. You're drop dead beautiful and he is a very fortunate fella indeed(I hate him). now that I've been nice I demand you post pictures and lots of them :):):) :dancing:

[slavekinkysub1]

Do I have to pay to fuck her?
Charges would be doubled for you :)

[Nivek]

I would say NO. In my opinion, (and we know what they say about those!), Escorts are getting paid to fuck, oh I'm sorry don't mean to offend anyone.. I mean to ESCORT. And there isn't much room for relationships if the Escort is traveling. I would add, and again, its just my opinion... Dating Escorts seems like bad business, for both the Escort and the infatuated other party.

[MdR Dave]

In my opinion. . . Dating Escorts seems like bad business.

You may be right, Kevin.

But sex is the "business". Love punches a different clock.

[Dino Velvet]

I learned my lesson. No.

[suckshemalecock]

fuck yeah

[bobbycass]

I would not judge someone for what they had to do to make a living. I think that most escort for the money. If I developed a relationship with an escort I would not want her to continue escorting. I would hope that together we could make enough money that she wouldn't have to. I would not share her with anyone else.

[CORVETTEDUDE]

Got one in mind???

[SirCumsAlot]

been there done that

[dreamon]

I go on a case by case basis

[GrimFusion]

Wouldn't work. I may not believe in the principal of marriage, but monogamy is important to me; even if she's sharing the wealth.

[testtickle]

I can't see what the concern is whether one's partner has sex for money or not. The important thing here is whether the partner is faithful or not. When they're having sex, it's not like they're formulating a relationship - so why be concerned about what goes up their ass? When you go to the doctor and he does a rectal exam, you wouldn't expect your partner to be jealous - so why be jealous about a dick that's just there as a part of their profession? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest. All that would bother me is if such a liaison led to my partner leaving me for someone else. If I were a porn actor, I wouldn't expect my partner to be jealous of me - even if I "had fun" during the filming session.
We all must separate possessiveness from interrelationships.

[fred41]

I go on a case by case basis

That's actually an excellent answer...not all escorts are the same professionally...some girls can separate their job from their personal life...some SAY they can...but then it seems to become a gray area.

[Pelheckitt]

I hate to share my things, so the answer would be NO!

[hippifried]

Hmmmm... I thought you had a relationship with an escort as soon as the money changed hands.

[Birgitta]

I can't see what the concern is whether one's partner has sex for money or not. The important thing here is whether the partner is faithful or not. When they're having sex, it's not like they're formulating a relationship - so why be concerned about what goes up their ass? When you go to the doctor and he does a rectal exam, you wouldn't expect your partner to be jealous - so why be jealous about a dick that's just there as a part of their profession? It wouldn't bother me in the slightest. All that would bother me is if such a liaison led to my partner leaving me for someone else. If I were a porn actor, I wouldn't expect my partner to be jealous of me - even if I "had fun" during the filming session.
We all must separate possessiveness from interrelationships.

Thats an almost clinical approach but i admire your way of thinking
..

[Birgitta]

I think you are right though possesiveness probably isnt the right emotion...

[MdR Dave]

Man this is tired. How about a variation:

If you answered "No", assume that you met and fell in love (or at least in limerance) with an escort.
If you answered "yes" but haven't actually dated an escort, assume your position is uninformed.

[runningdownthatdream]

I would resist getting into a relationship with an escort. I could never trust someone to be my partner who treats sex as a commodity unless they acknowledged escorting was a bad career choice -;)

[Ineeda SM]

I hate to share my things, so the answer would be NO!

:iagree::iagree:


Wouldn't work. I may not believe in the principal of marriage, but monogamy is important to me; even if she's sharing the wealth.

:iagree::iagree:


Hmmmm... I thought you had a relationship with an escort as soon as the money changed hands.

And there is the bottom line truth. Well put, Hippy.

I can't believe this thread is still going.

[Birgitta]

I hate to share my things, so the answer would be NO!


I might be old fashioned all over again, but if i belong to somebody, im faithfull, i want to be 'his' and 'his' only, its the way i enjoy sexuality and intimacy...

X
Birgit

[Ineeda SM]

I might be old fashioned all over again, but if i belong to somebody, im faithfull, i want to be 'his' and 'his' only, its the way i enjoy sexuality and intimacy...

X
Birgit

Yes honey, you are old fashioned. Too bad there are not very many women like you. You are what a REAL man looks for. Don't ever change.

[amberskyi]

Yes honey, you are old fashioned. Too bad there are not very many women like you. You are what a REAL man looks for. Don't ever change.

lmmaaooooo.....shove it

[Nicole Dupre]

What girl in their right mind would want to date a man who'd actually want to date an escort? lol I know I sure as hell wouldn't.

Personally, I wouldn't even date a guy who spends a lot of time on a porn forum, or who knows as much about porn and escorts as many of you do.

When I'm ready for a real LTR, I'll say goodbye to escorting. It doesn't work. Been there. Done that. Never again.

But, if you gentlemen wanted to suddenly monopolize the attention of a girl, who's very much "in demand", and who's accustomed to a certain lifestyle; wouldn't you have to ask yourself, "What do I have to offer her, to make an honest woman out of her"?

[Nicole Dupre]

ive been dating my girl now for two years,it can be hard sometimes but we do love each other very much.i sometimes forget what she does when we are together but if her phone rings my heart breaks everytime,and i try to keep smiling and not show her how i feel, but she knows.just because she is an escort doesnt mean that we can be in love so who knows what will happen in the future,just happy together at the moment
That's always an awkward moment. And that's exactly why I won't do it anymore. I hate making someone, who I genuinely care about, feel that way. Knowing that he'll see money as the deciding factor, of whether or not we can spend quality time together, is a shitty feeling. But it's the truth. He'll know, for that particular hour or so, he can't "afford me", even if I love him. That's why NSA casual dating works so much better for me right now.

[Ineeda SM]

lmmaaooooo.....shove it

Why? So you think that real men are not looking for a woman that will be faithful to him only? WOW! I guess you don't know what a real man is.

[amberskyi]

Why? So you think that real men are not looking for a woman that will be faithful to him only? WOW! I guess you don't know what a real man is.

i do,i have him.i dont feel the need to prove anything right now.

[Ineeda SM]

i do,i have him.i dont feel the need to prove anything right now.

Of course you do. I am sure you really believe that too. And nobody asked you to prove anything.

[MdR Dave]

But, if you gentlemen wanted to suddenly monopolize the attention of a girl, who's very much "in demand", and who's accustomed to a certain lifestyle; wouldn't you have to ask yourself, "What do I have to offer her, to make an honest woman out of her"?

This.


That's always an awkward moment. And that's exactly why I won't do it anymore. I hate making someone, who I genuinely care about, feel that way.

God bless you for this. Stop the heartbreak. I hope you find what you want when you want it.


Of course you do. I am sure you really believe that too. And nobody asked you to prove anything.

Passive aggressive- you're a bottom, right?


i do,i have him.i dont feel the need to prove anything right now.

Amber, best of luck to you. I hope he's worthy and strong enough to make it work for as long as you choose.


End transmission. And end Trans Mission.

[Ineeda SM]

Passive aggressive- you're a bottom, right?

End transmission. And end Trans Mission.

LMAO. Actually I am a bisexual who enjoys both top and bottom, but I prefer top. I just get a kick out of people who need to deny the facts because it gives them some false comfort to portray themselves as always right to their audience.

[MdR Dave]

LMAO. Actually I am a bisexual who enjoys both top and bottom, but I prefer top. I just get a kick out of people who need to deny the facts because it gives them some false comfort to portray themselves as always right to their audience.

Noted. But you have to leave room for the possibility that others are correct in their assessment of their own lives and relationships.

And it could just be that a "real man" is strong enough to love regardless of the circumstances.

I'm not that strong, I've discovered, so here's to hoping that last statement is wrong.

[Nicole Dupre]

Oh, is that what "real men" do these days? Plop down on their guts, buns up, with their dorks hanging out online, and their faces hidden? Fascinating. ;-) lol

The gregarious know-it-all is getting ignored. Anyone who lives in PA is behind the sexual learning curve.

[Ineeda SM]

Oh, is that what "real men" do these days? Plop down on their guts, buns up, with their dorks hanging out online, and their faces hidden? Fascinating. ;-) lol

The gregarious know-it-all is getting ignored. Anyone who lives in PA is behind the sexual learning curve.

What? I'm sorry did you say anything close to being intelligent?

Nope I guess not. Moving on.