Mtf do not look!

[natina]

YouTube - MTF 1 year transition timeline (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlk3nNya93M)

[natina]

hormones does somebody's good

[Jackal]

I don't get it. Don't look?

[natina]

did you see the pictures as a boy and man

then when he was a body builder?

[alyssaluxor]

J'Adore! You go girl! I support her all the way!

Love! Love! Love!

[lisaparadise]

Too bad its a lie cause anybody who has been on horomones knows it takes months to notice even the smallest of changes and 12 months? Seriously lol

[Kevin Dong]

Too bad its a lie cause anybody who has been on horomones knows it takes months to notice even the smallest of changes and 12 months? Seriously lol

I don't know Lisa it looks like the kid was using exogenous testosterone and when he switched to female hormones all the extra test converted to estrogen too. Why do you think its impossible? Hormones these days are serious stuff. Not to be taken lightly thats for sure. I shot a girl this past week who was only 19 and was a tgirl for less than a year. And she looked better than that.

[Iori]

Curious as to the "do not look" tag on title of thread?

[SirCumsAlot]

I shot a girl this past week who was only 19 and was a tgirl for less than a year. And she looked better than that.

Can you send her to my house?

[lisaparadise]

i don't know lisa it looks like the kid was using exogenous testosterone and when he switched to female hormones all the extra test converted to estrogen too. Why do you think its impossible? Hormones these days are serious stuff. Not to be taken lightly thats for sure. I shot a girl this past week who was only 19 and was a tgirl for less than a year. And she looked better than that.lol tell ya what when you actually go on them then come and talk to me lol,ive been on them for 11 years now i know what they do how they work and just about everything else there is to know as my sisters do as well,nobodys boobs grow in a year period,no fat distrubution is visable as you know one of my best friends is a doc who is transgendered and she even said theres virtually no difference in a transition within the first 12 months.i know how strong the pills work as i take them twice a day do you really think that the mones convert testostarone into estrogen? Lol silly man stick to shooting girls and leave the horomones to us ok.lol

[Kevin Dong]

lol tell ya what when you actually go on them then come and talk to me lol,ive been on them for 11 years now i know what they do how they work and just about everything else there is to know as my sisters do as well,nobodys boobs grow in a year period,no fat distrubution is visable as you know one of my best friends is a doc who is transgendered and she even said theres virtually no difference in a transition within the first 12 months.i know how strong the pills work as i take them twice a day do you really think that the mones convert testostarone into estrogen? Lol silly man stick to shooting girls and leave the horomones to us ok.lol

Well actually I learned that when you take exogenous testosterone and your body senses that you are on 50x more test than you should be, the human body will compensate and covert it all to estrogen. So if he was shooting up with male mones, and then female mones, he would have had his balls shut down already because of using exogenous test. It's science. Anyone who knows their hormones knows this to be true. I'm surprised you don't. Not arguing with you because you probably do know more, but this is true 100%. And it more than likely made for an easier transition.

[MizRoxxy]

it would be nice if hormones worked that good but they dont

[lisaparadise]

it would be nice if hormones worked that good but they dontno they dont too many people think its a miracle drug but its not lol,only the honest ones will tell you it takes years of them to do little.

[dreamon]

damn that fool was yoked

[Donkey]

It's unlikely his voice will ever be feminine due to the steroid use when he was bodybuilding as a male. Incredible transformation so far, though.

[BellaBellucci]

I call bullshit. It's probably dude's twin sister or something. The first on-going transition segment, only a few weeks in, is the tell-tale. Did anyone notice the complete lack of transitional shots from bodybuilder to girl-next-door? Never mind just the fact that hormones take years (plural) to work, how was all that muscle shed before even that?

Yeah, sorry, but...

http://nobullshitcoach.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/bullshitalertbuttonl.jpg

~BB~

[BJ4TS]

So, before estrogen he played guitars right handed and after, he's a lefty or were the pics reversed?

Her fingers looked small and feminine , so estrogen shrinks bones?

[lisaparadise]

so, before estrogen he played guitars right handed and after, he's a lefty or were the pics reversed?

Her fingers looked small and feminine , so estrogen shrinks bones?lol no it does not,all estragen does is distrubute fat cells to local areas of the body that mimics a gentic female without the help of a testosarone blocker it does nothing but make you put weight on as well as having to go pee every hour your awake,theres nothing magical about hrt it does try and trick the brain into thinking your female.im telling you that they aernt the same person from my expert opinion .

[Infern0]

lol no it does not,all estragen does is distrubute fat cells to local areas of the body that mimics a gentic female without the help of a testosarone blocker it does nothing but make you put weight on as well as having to go pee every hour your awake,theres nothing magical about hrt it does try and trick the brain into thinking your female.im telling you that they aernt the same person from my expert opinion .

could it be the same person but they had FFS and other such things?

[lisaparadise]

could it be the same person but they had ffs and other such things?no its impossable to lose the muscles that quickly,sorry IT WOULD TAKE DECADES

[onmyknees]

I dunno...you ladies would know far more about this than me, so help me out here...if this dude had an inclination he was going to begin a transition, why was he hangin' in the gym with 'roid freaks? I mean if this is legit...good for her, but something don't seem quite right to me...

[lisaparadise]

i dunno...you ladies would know far more about this than me, so help me out here...if this dude had an inclination he was going to begin a transition, why was he hangin' in the gym with 'roid freaks? I mean if this is legit...good for her, but something don't seem quite right to me...nobody looses a foot of muscle across the shoulders period.

[danielle departiaste]

@Lisa Actually no. If she used hormones while bodybuilding without training for years to build a strong muscular foundation then once she stopped using mones her muscle mass would not be sustained by her natural testosterone levels, therefore there would be muscle "shrinkage" for lack of a better word.

@Bella I believe that this person actually did transition, whether the time frame is correct I cannot say but this individual does not appear to be a genetic female.

[Jackal]

There are quite a few vloggers on youtube both MTF and FTM who chronicle a year or a few in similar fashion over a short video. Nothing outrageous.

I dunno...you ladies would know far more about this than me, so help me out here...if this dude had an inclination he was going to begin a transition, why was he hangin' in the gym with 'roid freaks? I mean if this is legit...good for her, but something don't seem quite right to me...
Well, I've seen several pretty transwomen who were brawny looking prior to transition. This woman was a soldier prior to transitioning.

YouTube - S C Soldier part 1 of 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnhCwYHQrmE)

[dlbi22]

Too bad its a lie cause anybody who has been on horomones knows it takes months to notice even the smallest of changes and 12 months? Seriously lol

lisa is just mad because of how manly she is

[lisaparadise]

@lisa actually no. If she used hormones while bodybuilding without training for years to build a strong muscular foundation then once she stopped using mones her muscle mass would not be sustained by her natural testosterone levels, therefore there would be muscle "shrinkage" for lack of a better word.

@bella i believe that this person actually did transition, whether the time frame is correct i cannot say but this individual does not appear to be a genetic female.your wrong sorry first post is that the best ya got?

[lisaparadise]

lisa is just mad because of how manly she isseriously? Lol smoke em all joe

[Kevin Dong]

[QUOTE=danielle departiaste;893742]@Lisa Actually no. If she used hormones while bodybuilding without training for years to build a strong muscular foundation then once she stopped using mones her muscle mass would not be sustained by her natural testosterone levels, therefore there would be muscle "shrinkage" for lack of a better word.

This is absolutely correct. She would be smaller than when she started within months. There are tons of pro bodybuilders who go off the shit and shrink from 270+ pounds to 180 in a matter of months. Just look up Kevin Levrone he did it every single year from 1993-2003. The muscle is simply real, but chemically enhanced. A natural athlete could never sustain it, and natural test levels would never be normal again.

[lisaparadise]

[QUOTE=danielle departiaste;893742]@Lisa Actually no. If she used hormones while bodybuilding without training for years to build a strong muscular foundation then once she stopped using mones her muscle mass would not be sustained by her natural testosterone levels, therefore there would be muscle "shrinkage" for lack of a better word.

This is absolutely correct. She would be smaller than when she started within months. There are tons of pro bodybuilders who go off the shit and shrink from 270+ pounds to 180 in a matter of months. Just look up Kevin Levrone he did it every single year from 1993-2003. The muscle is simply real, but chemically enhanced. A natural athlete could never sustain it, and natural test levels would never be normal again.YOU ARE 100 PER CENT WRONG,LOSING THAT MUCH MUSTLE IN A FEW MONTHS IS PHISICALLY IMPOSSABLE PERIOD.

[BLKGSXR]

Pay attention to the video the mass shows in it she loses it gradually.

[lisaparadise]

pay attention to the video the mass shows in it she loses it gradually.you pay attention it goes from a guy with arms bigger then my head to nothing?it takes about 3 months for horomanes to even begin to work that means she would have about 3 to 5 months to lose about 12 inches of body mass im telling you its impossable if you wanna disagree its cool but i know im right.

[BellaBellucci]

Pay attention to the video the mass shows in it she loses it gradually.

Maybe you should pay closer attention yourself. Nothing showed incremental progress in this video. It goes from a shot of 'him' high-fiving body builders directly to one of 'her' from day one on HRT, and the subjects of the photos look completely different. Where's the rest of the story? A huge chapter is missing.

~BB~

[argentina2007]

you pay attention it goes from a guy with arms bigger then my head to nothing?it takes about 3 months for horomanes to even begin to work that means she would have about 3 to 5 months to lose about 12 inches of body mass im telling you its impossable if you wanna disagree its cool but i know im right.
It obviously depends on the individual. Are you even sure the first pictures are taken just as hormones were started?

[Merkurie]

I dont think she went straight from the roid muscle peak to transition. Its the same person though. Also, she is not as feminine and developed as some of the shots would indicate.

Here is a recent vlog where she talks about bodybuiding and show she still has a good deal of muscle development.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=u6oAD_VZWxM

[lisaparadise]

it obviously depends on the individual. Are you even sure the first pictures are taken just as hormones were started?im sure the gap is actually years between roids to hrt,if you notice most shemales have veins in there arms and curvy arms who had some athletic ability prior to hrt i can attest to this because ive been on hrt for over a decade and i still look athletic yet for 10 straight years my levels are less then a genetic girl i know this becasue im tested every 4 months so i know what im talking about.

[Quiet Reflections]

just ask her I'm sure she will tell you. Or just watch the rest of her videos

[danielle departiaste]

your wrong sorry first post is that the best ya got?

No, I'm not.

[KirstenH]

Too bad its a lie cause anybody who has been on hormones knows it takes months to notice even the smallest of changes and 12 months? Seriously lol

Yup, so true!

i'm now for about 2 years on hormones and i'm not looking totaly female at all,
my body changed here and there and my face has a more feminine look
but it will need lot's more time for the final chapter...

[Merkurie]

Just how much transformation did we really see in that video?

The vid begins with bodybuilding pics in spring '09, that leaves almost a year before HRT. The HRT starts at :35sec into the vid, she is already thinner than from the BB pics, then other than makeup, and "cleavage" and forms she really dos'nt look that different at the end then from HRT start at :35sec.

Lots of flattering poses and heavy makeup is most of what we saw. In her other vids you can see she is still pretty thick, just not 'pumped up" like a BB and appears to still wear forms.

[lisaparadise]

yup, so true!

I'm now for about 2 years on hormones and i'm not looking totaly female at all,
my body changed here and there and my face has a more feminine look
but it will need lot's more time for the final chapter...tx for being honest sis,too many people are under the impression that there a miracle drug lol but there not,they work great when taking them in your early teens to early twenties but after that it takes years to reverse the male anatomy witch is why we do the surgical route if the pills really worked imagine how much money we would save our surgeons would go broke lol.be real people listen to those who take them everyday we know more about them then anything youll take in school or read on the net.

[KirstenH]

tx for being honest sis,too many people are under the impression that there a miracle drug lol but there not,they work great when taking them in your early teens to early twenties but after that it takes years to reverse the male anatomy witch is why we do the surgical route if the pills really worked imagine how much money we would save our surgeons would go broke lol.be real people listen to those who take them everyday we know more about them then anything youll take in school or read on the net.

No problemo sis, i'm always honest and even more if people ask me things about taking hormones.
Like you said it takes time too see some changes, none of us changed within a few months, unless your very young of age when starting with hormones.
Take a look at Kim Petras, she's very feminine but she started on hormonen by the age of 15 :wink:

And offcourse, the more feminine you look as a male the sooner you will start looking feminine.
There are so many Transvestites who look just gorgeous and extremely feminine only using some make-up and a wig...
But they were born with a big portion of luck.

KirstenH
xoxo

[Mayrah]

That vid is released 3 months ago, so jan 2011 or dec 2010.. thats almost 2 years from spring 09 in her buffed up state..

Either way, there is quite some while missing.


This is from 2 months ago where she shows her body.
My body 13 months in after bodybuilding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U1mc5R2h1g&feature=channel_video_title)

[phobun]

Well actually I learned that when you take exogenous testosterone and your body senses that you are on 50x more test than you should be, the human body will compensate and covert it all to estrogen. So if he was shooting up with male mones, and then female mones, he would have had his balls shut down already because of using exogenous test. It's science. Anyone who knows their hormones knows this to be true. I'm surprised you don't. Not arguing with you because you probably do know more, but this is true 100%. And it more than likely made for an easier transition.


This is absolutely correct. She would be smaller than when she started within months. There are tons of pro bodybuilders who go off the shit and shrink from 270+ pounds to 180 in a matter of months. Just look up Kevin Levrone he did it every single year from 1993-2003. The muscle is simply real, but chemically enhanced. A natural athlete could never sustain it, and natural test levels would never be normal again.


I agree. If she stopped the exogenous T when her own 'nads were already shut down, starved herself and took estrogen, perhaps she was able to lose a very significant amount of muscle relatively quickly.

Besides, not all HRT is the same. Some people get put on little doses of HRT meant for grannies, while other people get dosed better.

If someone is inclined to take steroids (testosterone), probably not legally, then might that person also inclined to dose herself with who-knows-how-much estrogen via the internet pharmacies?

It's better to go the legitimate route though and get legal hormones from a reliable pharmacy under a doctor's supervision.

[phobun]

This is from 2 months ago where he shows his body.
My body 13 months in after bodybuilding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U1mc5R2h1g&feature=channel_video_title)


Not HIS body, HER body.

She is still clockable because of prominent shoulders and slender hips. Definitely not an optimal waist-to-hip ratio, but perhaps within 3 standard deviations of the female average.

She does resemble Scully of the old X-Files tv show a bit.

[Castor_Troy05]

This video of Ellery is really gonna irritate some folk then :
YouTube - PICTURES OF ME AS A BOY. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pReOzz3TSJw&tracker=False)

Claims the most recent boy pic is 10 months old

[Mayrah]

Not HIS body, HER body.

She is still clockable because of prominent shoulders and slender hips. Definitely not an optimal waist-to-hip ratio, but perhaps within 3 standard deviations of the female average.

She does resemble Scully of the old X-Files tv show a bit.

Sorry, was thinking about the "male" pictures when i was writing it, thanks for pointing it out.

[lisaparadise]

I agree. If she stopped the exogenous T when her own 'nads were already shut down, starved herself and took estrogen, perhaps she was able to lose a very significant amount of muscle relatively quickly.

Besides, not all HRT is the same. Some people get put on little doses of HRT meant for grannies, while other people get dosed better.

If someone is inclined to take steroids (testosterone), probably not legally, then might that person also inclined to dose herself with who-knows-how-much estrogen via the internet pharmacies?

It's better to go the legitimate route though and get legal hormones from a reliable pharmacy under a doctor's supervision.your clueless as always

[lisaparadise]

This video of Ellery is really gonna irritate some folk then :
YouTube - PICTURES OF ME AS A BOY. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pReOzz3TSJw&tracker=False)

Claims the most recent boy pic is 10 months oldwhy would she irretate anybody?you cant compare a skinny gay boy to a bodybuilder period.

[the_corner]

Well, Christian Bale did lose 62 pounds in 4 months for the role on The Machinist didn't he?... that was probably a bit extreme, and certainly unhealthy, but the guy did it and more than likely without the need for hormones.

"Christian Bale starved himself for over four months prior to filming, as his character needed to look drastically thin. Allegedly, his eating consisted of one cup of coffee and an apple (or a can of tuna) each day (approximately 275 calories, or 1.2 kilojoules).[4] According to the DVD commentary, he lost 28 kilograms (62 lb), reducing his body mass to 54 kilograms (120 lb). Bale wanted to go down to 45 kilograms (99 lb), but the filmmakers would not let him due to health concerns. He later regained the mass, plus an additional 27 kilograms (60 lb) through weightlifting and proper eating, in preparation for his role in Batman Begins."

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It seems a little bit far fetched and almost impossible... but the key word here is "almost".

As for the guy of the video, it seems to me more of a matter of clever angles than real weight reduction / redistribution.

Just my two cents.

[iagodelgado]

Crap. One year from musclebound to slim and feminine? Crap!

[MizRoxxy]

This video of Ellery is really gonna irritate some folk then :


Claims the most recent boy pic is 10 months old

what are you taking about? she went from chubby boy to anorexic girl.... cant be compared to this topics situation....

[KirstenH]

This video of Ellery is really gonna irritate some folk then :
YouTube - PICTURES OF ME AS A BOY. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pReOzz3TSJw&tracker=False)

Claims the most recent boy pic is 10 months old

SURE!!!!

me some while ago (first pic) and second picture after a year on hormones...

[Mayrah]

LOL @ post above :D

[BarbieWoodsFan]

SURE!!!!

me some while ago (first pic) and second picture after a year on hormones...http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=377867&stc=1&d=1299797841
You pic as a girl made me think of Madeline Rose Zima (Heroes and The Nanny)