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latinpapi

02-08-2011, 09:59 PM

TSMichelleAustin

02-08-2011, 10:06 PM

A lot of girls who retire find love.... like Britney Markham... some girls cant deal with it, it can take an emotional toll on some. And from what I have been told from friends its not a business ur going to get rich off of unless ur a big time star. So some leave because the money is not worth it. But its going down in last few yrs due to torrent sites and economy. So the studios/producers can't offer the pay they used to.

Iori

02-08-2011, 10:43 PM

2 girls = alot

AmyDaly

02-08-2011, 10:49 PM

kaiser1one

02-08-2011, 11:00 PM

Who else was retiring aside from Britney Markham?

joeym75ld

02-08-2011, 11:26 PM

Hmmm, I wonder why they would possibly retire from porn and/or escorting?
Maybe sucking cock of random guys for a living?
Maybe getting railed mercilessly up the ass?
Maybe having a bunch of guys they hate cum all over their face/hair?
Maybe getting degraded on a daily basis?

No, I can't figure it out. Anyone else know why some girls would retire from porn/escorting?

Amalia

02-09-2011, 12:04 AM

Many reasons:
Porn is free on the Internet, s who is really paying for porn and pornstars
Nobody is getting younger, but there are always younger girls ready to push out the veterans.

Often girls who do porn do not escort and escorts do not porn, but I think it will change. Porn stars does not earn enough today, but once she gets famous men will pay a lot more for the famous escort that for other pretty escorts.

BellaBellucci

02-09-2011, 12:08 AM

a lot of them give up or get sick of being taken advantage of by companies who are always trying to low ball us and put us against each other.

YouTube - "AND THE TRUTH shall set you free" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvp37o1jZUo)

Maybe getting railed mercilessly up the ass?
Maybe having a bunch of guys they hate cum all over their face/hair?
Maybe getting degraded on a daily basis?

Maybe if girls stopped letting guys do degrading things in the first place, they'd stop asking the rest of us if we'll do it too. Truth be told though, it's really not that bad if you have some self respect. :lol:

~BB~

rockabilly

02-09-2011, 01:02 AM

*cough* stiff competition *cough*

Every girl's fighting to be on top.

The business as it was is bottoming out.

:geek:

FreddieGomez

02-09-2011, 01:20 AM

have no fear! they'll all be back!

onmyknees

02-09-2011, 01:28 AM

theres no real money in it

lots of girls have this idea that they can move to california or vegas or something and they are going to be a huge hit and make cash, when its really not the case and a lot of them give up or get sick of being taken advantage of by companies who are always trying to low ball us and put us against each other.

the only girls who stick around are the ones who are either making good money off porn(few) or the girls who really like to make porn/have sex

I always wondered why porn wasn't more like the NFL. By that I mean that the owners some years ago realized that the league was about the players...fans have an attachment to the players not the fat cat cigar smoking fucking owners. Who gives a shit about them. That's when players started making real money. Now that may revert back come this March with the collective bargaining agreement, but my point is...I don't give a shit about who owns these porn companies...I'm interested in Mandy, Morgan, Libby, Amy, Jasmine Oliva, etc ..they're the star players. LOL

amberskyi

02-09-2011, 01:31 AM

im actually seriously considering not escorting anymore.i already decided to not escort in my home state of new york anymore.its been almost a month and i havent put up an ad or seen a client.

FreddieGomez

02-09-2011, 01:33 AM

BellaBellucci

02-09-2011, 01:34 AM

fans have an attachment to the players not the fat cat cigar smoking fucking owners. Who gives a shit about them.

You mean this guy isn't Hugh Hefner?

http://www.stoppingthehate.com/steven/steven1.jpg

Wow! You totally could have fooled me. I wonder what brand of stogie that is. :geek:

Oh, and much thanks for the setup.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/espnradio/podcast/images/ontheTee_300.jpg

~BB~

onmyknees

02-09-2011, 01:36 AM

You mean this guy isn't Hugh Hefner?

http://www.stoppingthehate.com/steven/steven1.jpg

Wow! You totally could have fooled me. :geek:

~BB~

LMAO...I'm not getting in the middle of that !!!

amberskyi

02-09-2011, 01:39 AM

:dancing:

lol.now if i could only shrink...

Ryz

02-09-2011, 01:41 AM

You mean this guy isn't Hugh Hefner?

http://www.stoppingthehate.com/steven/steven1.jpg

Wow! You totally could have fooled me. I wonder what brand of stogie that is. :geek:

Oh, and much thanks for the setup.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/espnradio/podcast/images/ontheTee_300.jpg

~BB~

Horrible

FreddieGomez

02-09-2011, 01:41 AM

lol.now if i could only shrink...

the fuck?

BellaBellucci

02-09-2011, 01:45 AM

Horrible

Oh come on, he left me an opening as wide as the universe! What did you expect me to do?! What would you do?

WHAT WOULD YOU DOOOOOO?!?! :lol:

~BB~

amberskyi

02-09-2011, 01:47 AM

the fuck?

that went over your head huh

Silcc69

02-09-2011, 02:02 AM

BellaBellucci

02-09-2011, 02:05 AM

i wonder who he mite be? Somebody that you have beef with bella?

Foooooooooooooooore!

~BB~

JoePitt

02-09-2011, 02:17 AM

onmyknees

02-09-2011, 03:56 AM

Oh my God. You cannot serious. Do you know anything about NFL history?

Yea...I do, but I prefer not to get into a 20 page back and forth. My point is Gene Upshaw got the players a very good CBA the last time it was negotiated because in part he convinced the owners this was a players league. If you want to go back to the days of Bronco Nagurski...you can take that trip down memory lane by your lonesome.

Let's not hijack this thread..

BellaBellucci

02-09-2011, 03:59 AM

Yea...I do, but I prefer not to get into a 20 page back and forth. My point is Gene Upshaw got the players a very good CBA the last time it was negotiated because in part he convinced the owners this was a players league. If you want to go back to the days of Bronco Nagurski...you can take that trip down memory lane by your lonesome.

Let's not hijack this thread..

That reminds me of the funniest moment of the Super Bowl when, in a pre-game interview, Bel Roethlisberger, with a straight face, told Terry Bradshaw he thought he wore a leather helmet in his day. I nearly spit! :lol:

~BB~

dan_drade

02-09-2011, 04:04 AM

I've come to notice as of late that many girls within the last year have retired from the porn industry and/or opted for SRS which either way is fine, nobody should be a sex slave to the business or the almighty dollar.

However I'm curious to learn what is it exactly that is driving so many girls away from the business?

It's you man, it's all you. Ever since you started watching porn, all the girls are dropping out one by one. You are ruining it for all of us. I suggest you stop watching porn immediately so the rest of us can have something to watch. If you keep watching, the porn industry will go away all together.
:tongue: LOL

onmyknees

02-09-2011, 05:04 AM

That reminds me of the funniest moment of the Super Bowl when, in a pre-game interview, Bel Roethlisberger, with a straight face, told Terry Bradshaw he thought he wore a leather helmet in his day. I nearly spit! :lol:

~BB~

Yea....so it's true what I read that Bradsaw wasn't fond of Big Bens antics...or did it all seem to be in fun ?

BellaBellucci

02-09-2011, 05:10 AM

Yea....so it's true what I read that Bradsaw wasn't fond of Big Bens antics...or did it all seem to be in fun ?

Oh no, he was totally kidding. It was a great moment. Too bad the Steelers lost. :(

http://www.steelergridiron.com/history/terribletowel/HynesWardTerribleTowel.jpg

~BB~

natina

02-09-2011, 12:29 PM

BellaBellucci

02-09-2011, 11:26 PM

*bump*

~BB~

TsVanessa69

02-10-2011, 12:44 AM

that went over your head huh
You already knew that!

lisaparadise

02-10-2011, 12:51 AM

You already knew that!hey sis i want that outfit in your avitar where can i get one?

CrystalDelight

02-10-2011, 12:56 AM

2 girls = alot

Olivia is retiring again and is moving back to Florida!

CrystalDelight

02-10-2011, 12:59 AM

plus theyre into doing solo sites and making movies for themselves and get their net worth instead of flat rate and companies make fortune off em.. so the girls refrain from doing porn for other companies abnd stick to their own sites and do content trades with other girls on the team

latinpapi

02-10-2011, 02:19 AM

I always wondered why porn wasn't more like the NFL. By that I mean that the owners some years ago realized that the league was about the players...fans have an attachment to the players not the fat cat cigar smoking fucking owners. Who gives a shit about them. That's when players started making real money. Now that may revert back come this March with the collective bargaining agreement, but my point is...I don't give a shit about who owns these porn companies...I'm interested in Mandy, Morgan, Libby, Amy, Jasmine Oliva, etc ..they're the star players. LOL

Are you saying that the girls should become more entrepreneurial and learn how to market / brand themselves for who they are without allowing a porno film company control them?

If so, I can agree with that statement.

At the end of the day if modeling / escorting is their primary source of income then they are in business for self aka self employed and should be the ones making the big $$ and not the industry.

Good point!

latinpapi

02-10-2011, 02:21 AM

im actually seriously considering not escorting anymore.i already decided to not escort in my home state of new york anymore.its been almost a month and i havent put up an ad or seen a client.

Amberskyi, this isn't any of my business but I'll put it out there...you are naturally beautiful, you are passable and can easily go "stealth" in public. Why not go out and get a decent job with full benefits + salary? Again, not any of my business but you did state that you are not escorting in your home state and I've also read recent threads of yours in which you mention how cheap guys are in DC or in other areas...Think about it.

latinpapi

02-10-2011, 02:25 AM

Retire to what?

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=53546
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=53546
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=53546
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=53546

Very good points...So in all seriousness have the girls amongst themselves addressed forming a union of sorts?

latinpapi

02-10-2011, 02:25 AM

Retire to what?

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=53546
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=53546
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=53546
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=53546

Olivia is retiring again and is moving back to Florida!

Where in Florida? That's where I'm at...

Helvis2012

02-10-2011, 03:08 AM

Maybe they're just moving on with their lives.

KimberlyKills

02-10-2011, 03:23 AM

theres no real money in it

lots of girls have this idea that they can move to california or vegas or something and they are going to be a huge hit and make cash, when its really not the case and a lot of them give up or get sick of being taken advantage of by companies who are always trying to low ball us and put us against each other.

the only girls who stick around are the ones who are either making good money off porn(few) or the girls who really like to make porn/have sex

I gotta agree , fucking totally...

Porn, while I love ya, your so fucking brutal sometimes...
all the back talk, the miffing & pretty much everything that Amy said...

Like , I love fucking, and being kinky on Camera - , and I dont wanna get crazy rich doing it, but it would be nice to not feel like you got fucked around...

but it's not like I expected much else either ... just sorta blows though.. It could be so cool and so far, eh

gmercer

02-10-2011, 03:34 AM

The least the owners could do is have some sort of revenue sharing plan. They could agree to set aside a certain percentage of the revenue to disperse to the performers as royalties for their films each month based on usage. So for example, if they had 100,000 scenes downloaded in a month, and out of those scenes 1,000 were for a certain performer, then that person would get 1% of the shared revenue for that month. So as long as their stuff is being downloaded, they would still get paid for it.

amberskyi

02-10-2011, 04:38 AM

Amberskyi, this isn't any of my business but I'll put it out there...you are naturally beautiful, you are passable and can easily go "stealth" in public. Why not go out and get a decent job with full benefits + salary? Again, not any of my business but you did state that you are not escorting in your home state and I've also read recent threads of yours in which you mention how cheap guys are in DC or in other areas...Think about it.

im am actually very strongly considering leaving this industry.im at a point in my life where its now or never

uchetal

02-10-2011, 04:41 AM

amberskyi you are a very attractive young woman, I think you have so much to offer outside of the industry. I don't know you, but from reading a number of your posts you are an intelligent woman.

RubyTS

02-10-2011, 04:46 AM

believe it or not, i recently picked up applications at a few of my favorite stores at the mall.

Silcc69

02-10-2011, 04:54 AM

believe it or not, i recently picked up applications at a few of my favorite stores at the mall.

Welcome to the wonderful world of a 9-5!

neverforget

02-10-2011, 04:57 AM

im am actually very strongly considering leaving this industry.im at a point in my life where its now or never

good for u. walk away. dont do the hardcore scene. will follow u the rest of your life. walk away , its the right decision and you know it. good luck. any assitance needed feel free to pm me. good luck.

amberskyi

02-10-2011, 05:05 AM

good for u. walk away. dont do the hardcore scene. will follow u the rest of your life. walk away , its the right decision and you know it. good luck. any assitance needed feel free to pm me. good luck.

dang for a porn forum you guys are really not for me doing the shoot lol.so many of yall are telling me not to do it...

onmyknees

02-10-2011, 05:29 AM

believe it or not, i recently picked up applications at a few of my favorite stores at the mall.

really ?? I'm sorry but that just ain't right baby !! LOL...I think I understand the toll your current job must take, so I hope it's one of those high end lingere boutiques at least ! LOL

phobun

02-10-2011, 06:42 AM

a lot of them give up or get sick of being taken advantage of by companies who are always trying to low ball us and put us against each other.

Everything I've ever heard is that companies tend to take pretty good care of the girls for the job that is performed. They pay a fair wage and promote them well if they sell, which is how the market works.

The girl who has something negative to say in public about the companies is pretty uncommon, about as frequent as a disgruntled ex-employee in any industry.

phobun

02-10-2011, 06:46 AM

im am actually very strongly considering leaving this industry.im at a point in my life where its now or never

Don't do it. With your intelligence and looks, you have the capability to be a totally normal woman living a normal, successful life. That sort of opportunity is not available to everyone, so take advantage of it and get out.

The shoot will creep up on you later when you least expect it.

innocentbychoice

02-10-2011, 07:26 AM

im am actually very strongly considering leaving this industry.im at a point in my life where its now or never

believe it or not, i recently picked up applications at a few of my favorite stores at the mall.

I don't know you girls but it made me happy to read this, to realize that some of you do want a normal life. Go for it, I agree with all of the guys here, get out of the industry.

dang for a porn forum you guys are really not for me doing the shoot lol.so many of yall are telling me not to do it...

Yeah don't do it. As others said, you are so pretty, and you look so sweet and passable, there's no need for you to be doing that. Specially cuz it'll hunt you in the future.

nonnonnon

02-10-2011, 07:41 AM

party poopers

AmyDaly

02-10-2011, 08:14 AM

Everything I've ever heard is that companies tend to take pretty good care of the girls for the job that is performed. They pay a fair wage and promote them well if they sell, which is how the market works.

The girl who has something negative to say in public about the companies is pretty uncommon, about as frequent as a disgruntled ex-employee in any industry.

No. They are paying less and less and doing it to everybody. Of course they are going to promote girls they shoot, its within their best interest. Nothing wrong with that.

I make porn because A. I do make OK stable money each month from porn since I have my own site. And B. I just have a great time making porn. I don't escort. I made more money in working a full time job. But now I have the freedom to go back to school full time and explore other stuff that people with full time jobs can't do. There is a price to put on that opportunity. That is for sure.

As far as lowballing goes, let me give you an example. A company offered someone I know who is a top performer $600 for a hardcore scene for a multi site which turns their content to dvd. (Not grooby, bellatard)2 Years ago, they made almost twice that. Thats pretty low. But when you factor in things like Testing, New Wardrobe, hair if you do it, makeup if they don't supply it on that day, the profit can come down do pretty much not worth our time. Especially if a girl escorts and can easily make the same money from home or something. At some point if the current trend continues, its going to become so low that it will cost more to money to do a shoot than they pay you.

This isn't a complaint or me bitching or calling out anyone. This is a fact of life in the industry. I will still work because I love what I do. But I will never escort and hate the fact that some producers try to justify the lower and lower pay by saying that most of ts escort.

And to touch on how the disgruntled employee thing goes. I am far from that. The only person who comes to mind that fits this is Bella and she barely ever really broke into the industry to see what really goes on. I have great relationships with every producer I have ever shot with. I know business is business. I have a site and business to run myself. But I do speak the truth how I see it.

natina

02-10-2011, 11:21 AM

doing porn, brands you

for escorting it makes your asking price higher

since now you have presumably built up a reputation and have shown some great

looks,techniques and moves on cam

Retire to what?

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phobun

02-10-2011, 01:15 PM

No. They are paying less and less and doing it to everybody. Of course they are going to promote girls they shoot, its within their best interest. Nothing wrong with that.

I make porn because A. I do make OK stable money each month from porn since I have my own site. And B. I just have a great time making porn. I don't escort. I made more money in working a full time job. But now I have the freedom to go back to school full time and explore other stuff that people with full time jobs can't do. There is a price to put on that opportunity. That is for sure.

As far as lowballing goes, let me give you an example. A company offered someone I know who is a top performer $600 for a hardcore scene for a multi site which turns their content to dvd. (Not grooby, bellatard)2 Years ago, they made almost twice that. Thats pretty low. But when you factor in things like Testing, New Wardrobe, hair if you do it, makeup if they don't supply it on that day, the profit can come down do pretty much not worth our time. Especially if a girl escorts and can easily make the same money from home or something. At some point if the current trend continues, its going to become so low that it will cost more to money to do a shoot than they pay you.

This isn't a complaint or me bitching or calling out anyone. This is a fact of life in the industry. I will still work because I love what I do. But I will never escort and hate the fact that some producers try to justify the lower and lower pay by saying that most of ts escort.

And to touch on how the disgruntled employee thing goes. I am far from that. The only person who comes to mind that fits this is Bella and she barely ever really broke into the industry to see what really goes on. I have great relationships with every producer I have ever shot with. I know business is business. I have a site and business to run myself. But I do speak the truth how I see it.

Thanks for the insight. It's cool that you call it as you see it.

BigDF

02-10-2011, 03:22 PM

lisaparadise

02-10-2011, 05:45 PM

I don't know where you're hearing that, as just about everyone complains about this stuff. Even Amy admits that the pay isn't what it should be. It's not been that long since another performer made some mention of this. Not going to name anyone here, since that doesn't help them.

The reason you don't hear more complaints is that actors have no protection from retribution if they say anything about conditions in the industry. It's a small industry and word is going to get back if someone complains about conditions.trust me theres no money in it unless your the producer of it and theres not one girl who doesnt complain we sisters hear it all but 90 per cent of them are too scared to say anything for fear of getting blackballed.thruth is american girls make the top money and its not much the seriously under paid ones are asians and brazilians they get virtually nothing compared to americans.its all pretty shady but nobodys forcing a girl to do it right?so its pretty tough to say there takin avantage of i quess it works both ways.

BigDF

02-10-2011, 05:59 PM

trust me theres no money in it unless your the producer of it and theres not one girl who doesnt complain we sisters hear it all but 90 per cent of them are too scared to say anything for fear of getting blackballed.thruth is american girls make the top money and its not much the seriously under paid ones are asians and brazilians they get virtually nothing compared to americans.its all pretty shady but nobodys forcing a girl to do it right?so its pretty tough to say there takin avantage of i quess it works both ways.I'm not surprised to hear this, the whole industry reminds me of the situation in many industries back in the 19th century when labor unions first got started. And unfortunately we (americans) as country have a history of taking unfair advantage of our immigrants in spite of all our lofty ideals. And it's true that the producer makes most of the money, as it is in the mainstream film industry. That's why I'm encouraged when I see folks like Wendy starting their own companies, because hopefully everyone will get even treatment and we'll probably see better quality material.:geek:

Star Angel 86

02-10-2011, 06:08 PM

trust me theres no money in it unless your the producer of it and theres not one girl who doesnt complain we sisters hear it all but 90 per cent of them are too scared to say anything for fear of getting blackballed.thruth is american girls make the top money and its not much the seriously under paid ones are asians and brazilians they get virtually nothing compared to americans.its all pretty shady but nobodys forcing a girl to do it right?so its pretty tough to say there takin avantage of i quess it works both ways.

Very well said Lisa.
You notice a lot of the Brazilian Transgender lasses go over to Europe.
As is a majority of the Transgender lasses on the Italian site AndreaNobiliProductions are Brazilian.I hope they get paid much better over in Europe because Brazilian Transgender lasses totally rule.
Another thing that totally pisses me off every year since Transgender Actresses have had a catogry at The AVN Awards it's always an American based Transgender lass that wins the award year in and year out.What a bunch of bullshit!!!!

lisaparadise

02-10-2011, 06:26 PM

Very well said Lisa.
You notice a lot of the Brazilian Transgender lasses go over to Europe.
As is a majority of the Transgender lasses on the Italian site AndreaNobiliProductions are Brazilian.I hope they get paid much better over in Europe because Brazilian Transgender lasses totally rule.
Another thing that totally pisses me off every year since Transgender Actresses have had a catogry at The AVN Awards it's always an American based Transgender lass that wins the award year in and year out.What a bunch of bullshit!!!!ya no kidding as for AndreaNobiliProductions by far the best ts site ever made period and no other site will ever come close.http://andreanobiliproductions.com/home.php

Star Angel 86

02-10-2011, 06:34 PM

ya no kidding as for AndreaNobiliProductions by far the best ts site ever made period and no other site will ever come close.http://andreanobiliproductions.com/home.php

AndreaNobiliProduction,you never see any ugly Transgender lasses on that site and their always in nice lingerie high heels and stockings.

Not to long ago I found out that Andrea Nobili was a porn stud and I have a couple of his movies John Stagliano's Buttman's Rolling Cheeks and Rocco Siffredi's Dirty Anal Kelly In Rome.

LibertyHarkness

02-10-2011, 06:37 PM

its an ok site if you like active shemales ... if your into passive only girls then your shit out of luck ..

Star Angel 86

02-10-2011, 06:42 PM

its an ok site if you like active shemales ... if your into passive only girls then your shit out of luck ..

From the pix I've seen a majority time it seems like it's some dude taking it in the ass.

LibertyHarkness

02-10-2011, 06:45 PM

indeed it is

BellaBellucci

02-10-2011, 07:52 PM

No. They are paying less and less and doing it to everybody. Of course they are going to promote girls they shoot, its within their best interest. Nothing wrong with that.

I make porn because A. I do make OK stable money each month from porn since I have my own site. And B. I just have a great time making porn. I don't escort. I made more money in working a full time job. But now I have the freedom to go back to school full time and explore other stuff that people with full time jobs can't do. There is a price to put on that opportunity. That is for sure.

As far as lowballing goes, let me give you an example. A company offered someone I know who is a top performer $600 for a hardcore scene for a multi site which turns their content to dvd. (Not grooby, bellatard)2 Years ago, they made almost twice that. Thats pretty low. But when you factor in things like Testing, New Wardrobe, hair if you do it, makeup if they don't supply it on that day, the profit can come down do pretty much not worth our time. Especially if a girl escorts and can easily make the same money from home or something. At some point if the current trend continues, its going to become so low that it will cost more to money to do a shoot than they pay you.

This isn't a complaint or me bitching or calling out anyone. This is a fact of life in the industry. I will still work because I love what I do. But I will never escort and hate the fact that some producers try to justify the lower and lower pay by saying that most of ts escort.

And to touch on how the disgruntled employee thing goes. I am far from that. The only person who comes to mind that fits this is Bella and she barely ever really broke into the industry to see what really goes on. I have great relationships with every producer I have ever shot with. I know business is business. I have a site and business to run myself. But I do speak the truth how I see it.

I find it interesting that you can't just say your piece without also trying to discredit me even though I've said many of these exact same things. In fact, when I did, you defended the status quo to the point where you tried to pick a physical fight with me. Now you're agreeing with me and yet still saying I'm wrong?

I was right. Deal with it. Geezus. :lol:

Thanks for the insight. It's cool that you call it as you see it.

Well if she lies, you know damn well I'll call her out on it, so really what choice does she have?

~BB~

stewtwo

02-10-2011, 08:48 PM

Ruby and the rest of you pretty women please don't go all 9-5 on me until I get back to NYC and get to meet you....

AmyDaly

02-10-2011, 11:43 PM

I find it interesting that you can't just say your piece without also trying to discredit me even though I've said many of these exact same things. In fact, when I did, you defended the status quo to the point where you tried to pick a physical fight with me. Now you're agreeing with me and yet still saying I'm wrong?

I was right. Deal with it. Geezus. :lol:
~BB~

Your problem is that you have this thing where you focus all your energy at grooby and then support other sites who all work the same way and do the same things. So it pretty much makes you just look like an ass and like you just want revenge for something that they did to you. I am not the only one saying this. Yea, they are part of it. But they pay more than some other producers do and have had the same rates since I started working with them. Where as other sites have lowered their rates that they pay models.

The difference between you and I is that I really don't give a fuck because I love making porn. I also know that business is business and there are reasons why they do the things they do. Being in the industry for 2 years and running my own site, I can see where they are coming from on some levels and I don't take things personally when it comes to business.

I show up, get along with everyone, give the scene my best, and if I have any problems with any way it all went down, I talk to them in private and deal with it that way. Fortunately, I never have to do this because I never really have issues with anyone individual that I ever have worked with. Thats one reason why I am still working after 2 years.

AmyDaly

02-10-2011, 11:51 PM

and i also want to add that if girls are just here for the money and don't enjoy what they do somewhat, they prolly will be the first to drop out.

BellaBellucci

02-10-2011, 11:58 PM

Your problem is that you have this thing where you focus all your energy at grooby and then support other sites who all work the same way and do the same things.

Support how? I haven't shot with a major TS studio since last summer, and at that, I may have only gotten that shoot because Britney Markham needed a ride. In fact, the scene has sold very well and I haven't gotten a callback. Even still, getting work helps me just as well as anybody else. Plus the only company whose banners my websites carry right now is SMC, and at the moment they're leading the way in setting girls up in their own businesses. So how am I 'supporting' exploitation exactly? I've always put my money where my mouth is. If you don't want to hear it from me, ask my nearly-empty bank account. :geek:

Right now, my shoots are coming from outside of the niche and will be for the foreseeable future, either through non-TS related studios or via my website in production, but unlike most girls, broke or not, I have absolute independence. I know you have a liberal agreement with Steven, but in the end, your relationship is strictly business just like everyone else's. You're part of Grooby at his request, which can be rescinded any time, and probably will be when you're no longer of use.

Look around. I'm sure you and I both know the girls who have gone through it or are going through it now. I don't want to name names, but I could.

~BB~

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 12:01 AM

and i also want to add that if girls are just here for the money and don't enjoy what they do somewhat, they prolly will be the first to drop out.

Can't argue with that.

~BB~

AmyDaly

02-11-2011, 12:16 AM

I know you have a liberal agreement with Steven, but in the end, your relationship is strictly business just like everyone else's. You're part of Grooby at his request, which can be rescinded any time, and probably will be when you're no longer of use.

Look around. I'm sure you and I both know the girls who have gone through it or are going through it now. I don't want to name names, but I could.

~BB~

You see, that may be true. But will it happen? Prolly not unless my site is costing more money to run than it is bringing in or we have some huge falling out. In which if that was the case, I would gladly step down. I don't see either of those things happening for a long time though as my site makes good money for a solo site and Steven and I get along great. And if he wanted to do it tomorrow, than I can take my site and goto SMC as I had the chance to originally or host it myself as its already a fully functional and profitable solo site. So I am not too worried about Steven or Grooby.

Not only that, but I am smart enough to know that it is a fact that I won't be in porn forever. I am using this time to go back to school full time and get into other venues of the entertainment industry. So I am not too worried about where I will be in porn in 3 years or where the industry is going. Will my website still be up in 3 years? If its still making money, fuck yea. Will I still be dedicating my time to shooting dvd's and multi sites? Nope.

Duh

02-11-2011, 12:45 AM

Amy you are a good business woman. With such attitude you can succeed in ANY industry. Bella on the other hand I doubt.

rockabilly

02-11-2011, 12:50 AM

Can't argue with that.

~BB~

O_o That's a first ... Satan must be having a sno-cone. lol

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 12:52 AM

Amy you are a good business woman. With such attitude you can succeed in ANY industry. Bella on the other hand I doubt.

With a name like 'Duh,' you should probably know that I have the same mentality before you talk shit. :lol:

Some of you guys are hysterical.

~BB~

Duh

02-11-2011, 01:03 AM

So your assessment on my merit is based on my internet forum user name?

My assessment on your merit is based on reading your postings so far.

Duh!

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 01:04 AM

So your assessment on my merit is based on my internet forum user name?

My assessment on your merit is based on reading your postings so far.

Duh!

Yeah. I'm not engaging. I make it a point to not to take advantage of the mentally disabled.

~BB~

Duh

02-11-2011, 01:14 AM

Yeah. I'm not engaging. I make it a point to not to take advantage of the mentally disabled.

~BB~

Wow by your above-mentioned criteria I gotta congrat Grooby for getting a `being mentally able` badge from you then, because you seem to have a problem leaving them alone. In fact you seem obsessed with them. I`m sure they really appreciate your `engagement`.

No need to `engage` me any more as I am quite happy to be in your `mentally retarded` list considering such a tenacious stalker you can be.

Duh!

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 01:20 AM

So your assessment on my merit is based on my internet forum user name?

My assessment on your merit is based on reading your postings so far.

Duh!no its based on your stupiditty dumbass,bella is maybe 10 times smarter then amy afterall amys just a kid and bellas been around the block, theres something to be said about life lessons and experience and that comes with age so whatever your problem is i suggest you deal with it elsewhere before i tell you how i really feel.

Duh

02-11-2011, 01:24 AM

no its based on your stupiditty dumbass,bella is maybe 10 times smarter then amy afterall amys just a kid and bellas been around the block theres something to be said about life lessons and experience and that comes with age so whatever your problem is i suggest you deal with it elsewhere before i tell you how i really feel.

Thanks for being so classy calling one just a kid and the other smarter then her 10 times. You certainly have shown what you`ve learned about life lessons and experience.

rockabilly

02-11-2011, 01:26 AM

Make it so Bella.

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 01:27 AM

Thanks for being so classy calling one just a kid and the other smarter then her 10 times. You certainly have shown what you`ve learned about life lessons and experience.im quessing speaking the truth isnt exactly what your used to hearing.

AmyDaly

02-11-2011, 01:29 AM

no its based on your stupiditty dumbass,bella is maybe 10 times smarter then amy afterall amys just a kid and bellas been around the block, theres something to be said about life lessons and experience and that comes with age so whatever your problem is i suggest you deal with it elsewhere before i tell you how i really feel.

Thanks, but you really don't know what you are talking about either if you are equating Age with knowledge. And as far as this industry goes, I believe my experience outweighs Bella's by 10 fold. So really think about what you have to say before you say it.

Let me ask you. Do you actually know how old I am?

And please don't call someone a dumb ass or mock their "stupiditty" when you can't even spell the word stupidity correctly.

onmyknees

02-11-2011, 01:34 AM

Thanks, but you really don't know what you are talking about either if you are equating Age with knowledge. And as far as this industry goes, I believe my experiences outweighs Bella's by 10 fold. So, really think abput what you have to say before you say it.

Let me ask you. Do you actually know how old I am?

So Amy..I've always been curious about this...the Site that obviously carries your name.........you have total control of the content, the updates, the creativity, and after your expenses ( photography, web fees, clothes, etc) all the profit belongs to you soley? Like any other small bussiness might operate?

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 01:34 AM

no its based on your stupiditty dumbass,bella is maybe 10 times smarter then amy afterall amys just a kid and bellas been around the block, theres something to be said about life lessons and experience and that comes with age so whatever your problem is i suggest you deal with it elsewhere before i tell you how i really feel.

I'm not 10 times smarter than Amy. I'm just older and wiser. She'll learn her lessons in her own time and it sounds like she's already started, so I'm not worried about her. I was for a while, but then I read what she wrote here and now I'm sure she'll be fine.

And ignore Duh. With everything we're all trying to collectively accomplish, forum trolls are so not worth it.

~BB~

Duh

02-11-2011, 01:34 AM

im quessing speaking the truth isnt exactly what your used to hearing.

What truth? Just because you said it was `true`?
It`s your opinion. Being older has nothing to do with validity of your opinions.
Judging from the exchanges here it proves to me otherwise.

Duh!

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 01:36 AM

Thanks, but you really don't know what you are talking about either if you are equating Age with knowledge. And as far as this industry goes, I believe my experiences outweighs Bella's by 10 fold. So, really think abput what you have to say before you say it.

Let me ask you. Do you actually know how old I am?

And please don't call someone a dumb ass or mock their "stupiditty" when you can't even spell the word stupidity correctly.i dont know what im talking about are you serious?let me see 4 movies here in canada i think about 7 or 8 pro shoots for grooby lets see over 20 000 members in my yahoo group fan page and all that in the past 5 years and you dont wanna talk life experience with me before i transitioned cause you wont find many on this board half as successfull as ive been so make sure you know who your talking too there kiddo.

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 01:37 AM

I believe my experience outweighs Bella's by 10 fold.

You can tout your shoot count all you like, but it doesn't take as much experience in this niche as you let on to discover its flaws. Let's not equate experience with investigative prowess either. It's kind of my thing to expose how things work, so that argument's a cop-out.

Besides, it's not exactly rocket science anyway. I don't think I'm telling anybody anything they didn't already know; I'm just the only one with the figurative cajones to validate what most people are already thinking.

~BB~

rockabilly

02-11-2011, 01:39 AM

Come on girls have a cat fight!

I wanna see some hair pulling , t-shirt ripping then titties flappin while hands are slappin ... then you look into each others eyes and kiss passionately. :)

Like the scene in "Wild Things" ... yeah ... that was hot.

AmyDaly

02-11-2011, 01:40 AM

So Amy..I've always been curious about this...the Site that obviously carries your name.........you have total control of the content, the updates, the creativity, and after your expenses ( photography, web fees, clothes, etc) all the profit belongs to you soley? Like any other small bussiness might operate?

I do have a confidentiality agreement, so I can't get into details. But I do get the majority of the profits and my contract most likely is the same as other girls with solo sites. The profit is split between the company, my photographer and myself. With me getting a much higher % than the company or my photographer.

I see profit after all the expenses are paid for, which can vary depending on if I shoot hardcore that month or not and who I shoot with. Plus Re-Bills and New Members always fluctuates. I don't think I can really go into any more detail as I don't want to break any confidentiality agreements.

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 01:41 AM

Duh

02-11-2011, 01:43 AM

With everything we're all trying to collectively accomplish, forum trolls are so not worth it.

~BB~

Are you taking Seanchai`s advice? How is it working out to you to be ignored by S man in every post he made and you trolled?

So could you please enlighten me what you are trying to accomplish?

AmyDaly

02-11-2011, 01:46 AM

You can tout your shoot count all you like, but it doesn't take as much experience in this niche as you let on to discover its flaws. Let's not equate experience with investigative prowess either. It's kind of my thing to expose how things work, so that argument's a cop-out.

Besides, it's not exactly rocket science anyway. I don't think I'm telling anybody anything they didn't already know; I'm just the only one with the figurative cajones to validate what most people are already thinking.

~BB~
I am not touting shoot counts. I am going off of experiences within the industry that I deal with on a daily basis that go along with shooting on a heavy basis and running my own site. You can investigate all you want, but unless you are in the middle of everything, you really will never know what it really is like.

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 01:46 AM

Are you taking Seanchai`s advice? How is it working out to you to be ignored by S man in every post he made and you trolled?

So could you please enlighten me what you are trying to accomplish?lol,you must work for the grooby police i see lol

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 01:47 AM

rockabilly

02-11-2011, 01:47 AM

roflmfao,your such a dick lol

Oh you know you love dick Lisa. :p

Duh

02-11-2011, 01:50 AM

lol,you must work for the grooby police i see lol

Geeze you don`t have to be a police to see that. You have to be blind not to see that. It`s a giant elephant in the room.

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 01:50 AM

I am not touting shoot counts. I am going off of experiences within the industry that I deal with on a daily basis that go along with shooting on a heavy basis and running my own site. You can investigate all you want, but unless you are in the middle of everything, you really will never know what it really is like.i dont think anybodys doubting you by the looks of it ya have your head on straight and a look for the future good on ya it really is nice to see its just seems alittle silly to most people in here knocking bella every chance you get when it comes to grooby,bella clearly got black balled that you must agree.

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 01:51 AM

Oh you know you love dick Lisa. :plol you know it babe.

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 01:51 AM

Geeze you don`t have to be a police to see that. You have to be blind not to see that. It`s a giant elephant in the room.well to be honest i do need bi-focals lol

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 01:53 AM

I am not touting shoot counts. I am going off of experiences within the industry that I deal with on a daily basis that go along with shooting on a heavy basis and running my own site. You can investigate all you want, but unless you are in the middle of everything, you really will never know what it really is like.

LOL! That's such bullshit! It's the very fact that you work 'on a daily basis' that colors your judgment. You have no objectivity when you're in the middle of it all and you know it. :lol:

On the other hand, I'm in the industry, but not of it, so my assessments have always been honest and free of bias. I've even said good things about Grooby from time to time, the fact that they're the 'Wal-Mart of Tranny Pr0n' not withstanding. :geek:

~BB~

AmyDaly

02-11-2011, 01:57 AM

i dont think anybodys doubting you by the looks of it ya have your head on straight and a look for the future good on ya it really is nice to see its just seems alittle silly to most people in here knocking bella every chance you get when it comes to grooby,bella clearly got black balled that you must agree.

Yes, Bella got black balled. I do agree. But she really did it to herself.

Ever hear of this: Loose lips sink ships. Bella has extremely loose lips. So she has sunk about every ship that she has sailed in this industry and is now forced to go about things on her own.

There is a time and place for every discussion and Bella consistently would discuss things in the wrong time or place. If you want to bug a producer or harass them about when your shoot is going up, or how you don't like your shoot, pics, whatever. On a public forum is the wrong place for that if you want to continue to work.

Bella had every right to complain about how her shoot went if she didn't like it. But if she wanted to continue to work, she would of done it privately and civil.

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 02:08 AM

There is a time and place for every discussion and Bella consistently would discuss thinks in the wrong time or place. If you want to bug a producer or harass them about when your shoot is going up, or how you don't like your shoot, pics, whatever. On a public forum is the wrong place for that if you want to continue to work.

... actually I felt that the way they released the photos was retaliation for me bugging about their release date, and bugging or not, I never said anything out of turn until afterwards, so I found it to be overkill when I was just trying to promote as best I could. Let's not pretend like I went straight for the jugular or anything. This has always just been a tit-for-tat thing and even though I still didn't feel I did anything wrong, I still apologized for my generally defensive attitude with an open letter to HA and on my blog that went entirely ignored. After that, it's just been a matter of me being sick of Seanchai coming here touting some of the worst pr0n in the niche as the freaking platinum standard! :lol:

Anyone who knows me well knows that I always go into everything with the best intentions, but I don't take shit from anyone. Maybe it was a foregone conclusion then that I would never be able to work within a system such as Grooby's anyway. Who knows? I don't, because I was never given a real shot, and since then I think I've accomplished quite a bit for having to do everything myself. I'm working slowly, but I'm working. If I had help from a producer or PR firm, there's no limit to what I could do. Believe that.

Bella had every right to complain about how her shoot went if she didn't like it. But if she wanted to continue to work, she would of done it privately and civil.

I most certainly tried. In fact I bet I still have the HA mails from way back when. Trust me, I only publicize things when I feel an absolute need and in my defense, I don't think anybody does it better. You would think someone would recruit me for steady work or an office position just based on that, but apparently my allegiances are in question, and to be quite honest, I can't say that's unfair. But again, I really do have the best intentions. Deep down I think you know that.

~BB~

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 02:14 AM

Yes, Bella got black balled. I do agree. But she really did it to herself.

Ever hear of this: Loose lips sink ships. Bella has extremely loose lips. So she has sunk about every ship that she has sailed in this industry and is now forced to go about things on her own.

There is a time and place for every discussion and Bella consistently would discuss things in the wrong time or place. If you want to bug a producer or harass them about when your shoot is going up, or how you don't like your shoot, pics, whatever. On a public forum is the wrong place for that if you want to continue to work.

Bella had every right to complain about how her shoot went if she didn't like it. But if she wanted to continue to work, she would of done it privately and civil.i agree but you seem to bring it up more then any other girl true?you need to remember one thing and ill leave it at that ok,grooby is only your boss and that can change at the drop of a hat but bella is your sister as am i and that bond will never be broken no matter how yoiu feel about the sisterhood we are always there for eachother in time of need or inspiration and love and you ll never get that from any outsider like grooby or anyone else you ll work for in your lifetime so dont burn britches cause it will always come back and bite you in the ass.

onmyknees

02-11-2011, 02:18 AM

I do have a confidentiality agreement, so I can't get into details. But I do get the majority of the profits and my contract most likely is the same as other girls with solo sites. The profit is split between the company, my photographer and myself. With me getting a much higher % than the company or my photographer.

I see profit after all the expenses are paid for, which can vary depending on if I shoot hardcore that month or not and who I shoot with. Plus Re-Bills and New Members always fluctuates. I don't think I can really go into any more detail as I don't want to break any confidentiality agreements.

No need too ( go into more detail) you've answered my questions.The Informative, instructive line for me was..."With me getting a much higher % than the company or my photographer." I think most customers would be glad to hear that the gurl gets most of the profits under these circumstances. Thanks for clarifying baby !! Now..get back to work shooting content !!!!!!!!! LOL xoxox

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 02:19 AM

i agree but you seem to bring it up more then any other girl true?you need to remember one thing and ill leave it at that ok,grooby is only your boss and that can change at the drop of a hat but bella is your sister as am i and that bond will never be broken no matter how yoiu feel about the sisterhood we are always there for eachother in time of need or inspiration and love and you ll never get that from any outsider like grooby or anyone else you ll work for in your lifetime so dont burn britches cause it will always come back and bite you in the ass.

Absolutely. If Amy needed my help, I would try to help her out. I don't hold a grudge unless the person in question re-offends me, which is why I'm not quite done bitching at Steven yet. I'm sure I will be eventually, but right now I'm still venting. :lol:

~BB~

AmyDaly

02-11-2011, 02:36 AM

Nobody is the boss of me. That is one reason why I do what I do.

The only orders I get from Steven are: Shoot more hardcore. Which isn't really an order at all. More of a suggestions. Other than that, he will send me pointers and suggestions, in which I think about and act on if I think its a good idea or not. AmyDaly.com is more of a collaboration between Buddy and I than anything. Grooby just keeps it running and runs affiliates and promotions.

britneymarkham

02-11-2011, 03:50 AM

I did find love but thats not the reasone i stoped shooting i think it was time for me to focus 100percent of my time to me my hubby but most important my career in law enforcement im not saying my legs are shut forever from shooting becouse i loved it but thwy pay is rediiiiick! And doesnt make u money the only thing with being a known "por
Star" is of ur an escort then u can charge more i hated doing that when i did and some fans are stalkers and creepers but yea the pay blows balls girls!

lisaparadise

02-11-2011, 03:54 AM

BellaBellucci

02-11-2011, 11:55 PM

well normally id say you could arrest me anytime and do a strip search but geeez woman lol i hope you do become a cop my mom uncle sister and niece were and are police officers so good on ya.

I think Amy would make a better cop. She's meaner. :lol:

~BB~

onmyknees

02-12-2011, 01:09 AM

I think Amy would make a better cop. She's meaner. :lol:

~BB~

you sure about that ?Growl !! LOL xo

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02-12-2011, 01:54 AM

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AmyDaly

02-12-2011, 02:03 AM

i hate when natina posts because she always fills up half a page with stupid youtube links

rockabilly

02-12-2011, 02:27 AM

i hate when natina posts because she always fills up half a page with stupid youtube links

At least it's not about white privilege ... yet.

rockabilly

02-12-2011, 02:46 AM

Good luck Britney in all your pursuits both professional and personal.

onmyknees

02-12-2011, 03:11 AM

i hate when natina posts because she always fills up half a page with stupid youtube links

And I thought it was just me !!!!!!! Shorter and to the point is sweeter !

britneymarkham

02-12-2011, 04:16 AM

Thanks for the good wishes everyone i just wish alm the girls the best and hope everyone stops fighting one day its embarassing and so not adult in word of domino presley its the adult industry start acting like adults some of u trannyz are like in ur 30-40s grow up stop sitting infront of the computer and slwait for drama its barassing and so despret for attention i have love for u all i just wish one day all u bitches can get together and get along ad stop ralking shit behind each others back say it to their face or call a bitch up n let her or him know how u feel dont via twitter nobody needs to know ur drama with that said i am goin to smoke a bowl n relax all u ladys should do the same i love u amy wish u the best in school and bella its not about being mean its about being a fare officer besides amy is by far one of the sweetest drama free non hooker porn star girls ive ever mett!

SirCumsAlot

02-13-2011, 07:32 AM

TSMichelleAustin

02-13-2011, 08:30 AM

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Domino is taken babe!!! But one of the baddest bitches I know!!! And Brit you will be missed but as a lot of us girls admire what u have done and are going to do! Keep it up sis!!! Cant wait to see u soon!!!

JP Ewing

02-13-2011, 04:40 PM

Domino is taken babe!!! But one of the baddest bitches I know!!!

That damn blue puppet gets more play than a dollar at a strip club!

Silcc69

02-13-2011, 04:48 PM

Yo JP when is Stacy gonna shoot a hardcore scene?

nonnonnon

02-13-2011, 09:05 PM

yeah where can I see more mcghee?

innocentbychoice

02-14-2011, 08:00 PM

i hate when natina posts because she always fills up half a page with stupid youtube links

And I thought it was just me !!!!!!! Shorter and to the point is sweeter !

Youtube links, lyrics, and she writes all over the place. I thought I was the only one that hated it. Natina, quit that shit, is annoying and I don't read anything you post because of that.

tsmandy

02-15-2011, 10:06 AM

I love how any topic thread over 3 pages has girls fighting by the end.

I'm not gonna bother reading any of them cause its really simple. The game is changing, for everyone, forever. Some people are adapting, trying new things, taking risks, playing it safe, whatever. Some are figuring it out, some aren't. Just about everyone is looking to re-align, and job security belongs only to those who own their own product.

Any girl who cares more about the money than the sex should go to business school and make money by exploiting girls who either take to long or never figure it out.

At least thats what everyone tells me over and over. They could all be wrong.

tsmandy

02-15-2011, 10:11 AM

innocentbychoice

02-15-2011, 05:14 PM

tsmandy

02-16-2011, 12:10 AM

its life. Sad but true. Adult is no different than any other biz in this regard.

lisaparadise

02-16-2011, 12:58 AM

Also....Some companies are making record profits and using the shitty overall economic conditions in the US to depreciate model wages and move away from the starlet model. Its simple economics. Anyone reading the Wall Street Journal twitter feed can read about record profits amidst depreciating wages. Workers in any job have very little bargaining power right now, and that extends all the way into the sex industry.i dont think so,ive been at 200 per hour for 5 years and never have a problem paying my bills etc.sex is the oldest profession yet never gets old,theres always money if your good at what you do and thats where the power is,theres no bargaining it is what it is.

slinky

02-16-2011, 02:23 AM

Also....Some companies are making record profits and using the shitty overall economic conditions in the US to depreciate model wages and move away from the starlet model. Its simple economics. Anyone reading the Wall Street Journal twitter feed can read about record profits amidst depreciating wages. Workers in any job have very little bargaining power right now, and that extends all the way into the sex industry.

I'm curious what companies you think are making "record" profits these days? And I wonder how in the Adult business they are making it off the backs of "talent"? I think what you will actually find is that the industry is really in the toilet and the few companies who are still shooting are using that fact as leverage to get talent to work cheaper. But I think it is MUCH more loss mitigation than windfall profit making.

Tara Emory

09-29-2011, 05:08 AM

<bump>

Meoww!! FFfft! Hisss!!! (okay, that's me joining the catfight - ok not really, I have no issues with Bella or Amy)

I really don't know where I stand in all this but I get called a starlet, unknown, ameteur, professional, veteran and novice all at the same time.. Do I have any clout in this biz? Well, I suppose as someone who has done what I do for about 10 years and hasn't had a "real" 9-5 job since then, I suppose I am some measure of success.

And yeah, I've seen things nose dive, or at least slow down a lot. I haven't been as productive as I used to be but i'm not absolutely certain that increasing my work load to 6 shoots a month is nessicarily going to fix things either. I met with a fan/business advisor recently and he even thought that what i really just needed to do was to better market what I've already done more than keep churning out new content all the time..

But a few random observations (or rants if you'd like to think of them as that)...

I've done several "professional" "mainstream" movies or dvds, but really not as much as a lot of you other girls, and I don't consider any of it to be my best work. All, the shoots I've done for other companies were some of the worst stuff I've done. I know how a lot of these other companies work, and yeah, they will never care as much for the quality of the product as much as the model will.

I think affiliates have disseminated too much free product and have hurt things probably more than they've helped. Plus when people image google me, all the work I've done for those other sites come up first. Again, people gettin' their Tara fix on all that, and not my site. Would controlling ALL my content really steer people there and not elsewhere? Perhaps.

Also:

I think the people who tun the torrent sites should get their asses thrown in jail or something. The wild and lawless days of the internet really need to come to an end. It was fun for a while, but now it's time for some smackdown, especially in regards to distributing stolen content. Do these guys have 2257 records? I fucking doubt it. Sure- people in the government would love to shut down the porn biz. How about shutting these guys down first? Don't go after the drug companies that make Sudafed, go after the people turning it into crystal meth in their basement..

I'm absolutely livid when I see my whole site up on torrent sites and when I confront them about it, they have the nerve to cop an attitude or try to tell me it's like free advertising - and then put up a fight in taking it down..

If you can have total control over your content, then you have a chance. If your fans are dedicated enough to you that they know that throwing your stuff up on torrent sites is tantamount to smacking you across your head with a tire iron and then taking your purse- then maybe you increase your chances too. When fans think that you must be rolling in money from your porn career and that you won't notice it- that's when it can be bad.

There's some delicate balance of presenting yourself as successful without people thinking your'e a superstar who wipes their ass with $50 bills or someone who is barely making ende meet that they wonder "look, they must be doing something wrong if they're doing so bad." I'm not sure where that balance is since I think I've given off both those kind of impressions sometimes. It's important for people to know that we're in a business, and this is for most of us, our living.

Anyway:

I think the way to the future is in the multi-talented starlets- and taking what you do to places that aren't porn. If all you can do is work for companies doing porn scenes, that's not going to go very far. If.. let's say.. you can direct, produce, design and generally have aspirations outside of (but related to) the porn industry, then you will probably do well. And what i mean by that is if your aspirations are to be a US Congresswoman, then well- yeah, those porn days will bite you in the ass. But let's say your career aspirations were to start your own custom made bondage furniture company (not saying that's mine, but it is something I thought about), then well, yeah, your porn past is an asset more than a liability.

So yeah, I don't know where this is all going. I'm a little worrisome as I'm just on the eve of buying a house (not an expensive one), and I'm a bit fearful for my own job security. I suppose if need be, I could re-enter the job field. I do have other talents I can draw upon.

For my own business, I've been shooting for the "1000 true fans" business model. Where all you need to do to survive is have 1000 true fans out there in the entire world who love your stuff enough to fork over $100 of their own money per year to help you continue doing what you do.

Wether you make that money in DVD sales, site memberships, or whatever, it translates to $100,000 a year, which I'd be happy to pull in consistently.

A lot of us are "microcelebrities", let's face it. We're popular in our own industry, but relatively unknown outside of tranny porn. Here's a good article about the 1000 true fan theory:

http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/03/1000_true_fans.php

So, with the state of the industry perhaps as they say "the cream will rise to the top" , forcing more girls to realize that they're not going to get rich off it, and fewer schmucks seeing that the "easy money" days of 2005 or so just don't work any more. That might thin the playing field a bit. And if the girls who are big stars can find other outlets? Do it. Seriously, if you can get yourself on some annoying reality tv show on Bravo and have it come out as a scandal (on the show itself) that you "did porn!" - by all means DO IT.

Hey, I would.

-Tara

Tania_Harvey

09-29-2011, 08:33 AM

ONE REASON...

TUBE/TORRENT sites.

Its that simple. As soon as performers put stuff on the net, it just gets copied and posted for everyone to download FREE of charge.

Same as the Music industry.

Until the law is changed to outlaw TUBE and Torrent sites, the porn industry will just go down and down.

Whats the point of people spending 100's on studio time etc just for it all the get posted for free access.