I think all straight men like shemales.

[mikejones]

Look, I don't really care about the straight-versus-gay thing one damn bit, but I do think there's a lot more bisexuality than people make out to be (especially since there is the overwhelming belief of "bi now, gay later" towards ALL MEN these days).

That being said, all I have to say is when that ellery girl was on cam4 yesterday, there were more people watching her than the "female" section of the site. It's just a fact. 2200 vs 1800 for the top girls (no pun intended).

What it comes down to is that with the internet, the bar for sex has been ramped up more, since everything is immediately accessible. Know that it was a lot more work getting porn before it existed, which kept most things on fairly tame levels (why Playboy was so successful). Playboy, for example, was always just beyond what was able to be within easy reach, like swimsuit calendars, etc. Therefore, what was a little 'bad' or 'wrong' was just plain old vanilla sex.

Remember also that this 'wrong' or 'bad' is part of what gets people's rocks off. So, by the internet making anything and everything easily accessible, this bar has been raised. Once it was lesbian porn. That was pretty easily accessible. Then girls started making out for attention in bars. Big deal.

So, that becomes normal and boring, making the bar on what gets people's rocks off goes higher. Trans girls fit a higher bar pretty well, considering it's as 'hidden' as porn once was, and that it's seen as definitely 'wrong' since anything not vanilla sex for men is considered to be on the fast track to homosexuality, so there you go.

I am thoroughly convinced a lot of guys who would call themselves "straight" look at trans porn. I have baited people in the past to unwittingly admit it, as further proof, but I think the porn industry knows it pretty well, too.

Personally, I don't care how people categorize it, but that is what it is.

And, given the fact that most people looking at porn are men, and more guys were looking at trans girls than genetic girls on cam4, at least once, that says quite a lot. And, you know what? I don't care. All I know is that it's going to get damn interesting when a celeb, politician or sports figure finally gets caught with one of you lovely girls where he can't hide it. ;)

P.S. I don't think most of these straight men like seeing guys being bottomed. I hate to say it, but what gets most guys rocks off is not the vagina, but the overall body/face of a woman. And, both girls and trans girls have girl bodies, which is what does it for them. So, their fantasies are more about f*cking the girls than having the girls f*cking them. Sure, in a forum like this, there are plenty of loud power bottoms, but they're not representative of men at large.

Completely agree. Well put.

[drock]

Look, I don't really care about the straight-versus-gay thing one damn bit, but I do think there's a lot more bisexuality than people make out to be (especially since there is the overwhelming belief of "bi now, gay later" towards ALL MEN these days).

That being said, all I have to say is when that ellery girl was on cam4 yesterday, there were more people watching her than the "female" section of the site. It's just a fact. 2200 vs 1800 for the top girls (no pun intended).

What it comes down to is that with the internet, the bar for sex has been ramped up more, since everything is immediately accessible. Know that it was a lot more work getting porn before it existed, which kept most things on fairly tame levels (why Playboy was so successful). Playboy, for example, was always just beyond what was able to be within easy reach, like swimsuit calendars, etc. Therefore, what was a little 'bad' or 'wrong' was just plain old vanilla sex.

Remember also that this 'wrong' or 'bad' is part of what gets people's rocks off. So, by the internet making anything and everything easily accessible, this bar has been raised. Once it was lesbian porn. That was pretty easily accessible. Then girls started making out for attention in bars. Big deal.

So, that becomes normal and boring, making the bar on what gets people's rocks off goes higher. Trans girls fit a higher bar pretty well, considering it's as 'hidden' as porn once was, and that it's seen as definitely 'wrong' since anything not vanilla sex for men is considered to be on the fast track to homosexuality, so there you go.

I am thoroughly convinced a lot of guys who would call themselves "straight" look at trans porn. I have baited people in the past to unwittingly admit it, as further proof, but I think the porn industry knows it pretty well, too.

Personally, I don't care how people categorize it, but that is what it is.

And, given the fact that most people looking at porn are men, and more guys were looking at trans girls than genetic girls on cam4, at least once, that says quite a lot. And, you know what? I don't care. All I know is that it's going to get damn interesting when a celeb, politician or sports figure finally gets caught with one of you lovely girls where he can't hide it. ;)

P.S. I don't think most of these straight men like seeing guys being bottomed. I hate to say it, but what gets most guys rocks off is not the vagina, but the overall body/face of a woman. And, both girls and trans girls have girl bodies, which is what does it for them. So, their fantasies are more about f*cking the girls than having the girls f*cking them. Sure, in a forum like this, there are plenty of loud power bottoms, but they're not representative of men at large.


True that... :iagree:

[20cm]

I totally agree with your theory!!!! I have tried to support this opinion in the past here in this forum and i have even get flamed by TSs or other guys for supporting the idea that all straight men like shemales. I was called "gay" cause i admited that i like the cock on a woman!!!! This happened 2-3 years ago. But nowadays seems that the truth is gaining support even by the narrowest minded people Also Nina Arsenault (btw girl...you look stunning!!!) has uploaded this video in youtube. YouTube - The eroticization of M2F transsexuals by straight men (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v79_9x7JlQ&feature=player_embedded) Need to say more? M2F transsexuals are the straight man's hard on!!!

[CORVETTEDUDE]

To comment on the OPs original statement....Yeah...So What!!!

[SirCumsAlot]

I haven't read all response to the thread or the youtube link yet so im not sure if what I'll say been said or something similar will be said, but I did mention it once before back when I first joined.

I think eventually either the whole world gonna finally amitt their attraction to tgirls, or the population of men attracted to tgirls are going to rise quickly. I read an article once online on wikipidea about how ladyboys films were first introduced to their public. It started out as men fantasies of women having a cocks and it did successful because their ladyboys/tgirls look just like females, but with a cock that a dude can relate the sexual feeling with during sexual activities, especially during orgasms. Thats always been a huge part of my attraction to tgirls as well, the relation to sensation of sex, plus of course how they look plays a role, and I'm sure the rest of the world gonna realize this as well or be more open about their desires. I like females too, but it's hard to relate sexual feeling lets when when watching them on a porn vid or whatever. Im having a hard time finding that article again but once I find it I'll post it up

[sweet485]

Well, all you self hating trannies and losers....apparently 50% of men are gay, because they would fuck a tranny, some of them only drunk though....this poll from a straight site http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?t=23054
Maybe bitter Saffron is too ugly for a guy to overlook the fact that she was born a dude rolf, u know a guy would fuck an ugly gg, but a shemale has to be flawless for most of them to get over it, sad but true

[Birgitta]

"...I would fuck this I would fuck that...."

more important question to consider is: Would you love...?

But that's probably spoken too much from a girl's perspective...:ignore:

[Birgitta]

I am an expert on male behaviour because I am one. Our egos rule us. Most men can't stand losing face, and there is no bigger way to lose face then to be perceived as gay. Why do you think men react so violently towards transsexuals?

That being said, it doesn't mean they aren't attracted to you, or wouldn't have sex with you if there were 100% sure no one would find out.



I know you are right but it's really tragic. I am like 1000% times more masculine then most of the tranny chasers are. Because I don't think anyone can really be called a man when he is so unsure about his own ego and cares so much what other people think.

[BigDF]

...I would fuck this I would fuck that....
more important question is: would you love...

But that's probably viewed too much from a girl perspective...:ignore:I think it's difficult for a lot of men to admit those feelings, Birgitta, at least until they've been through some life. I get the impression that some fellows use the word as a shield to hide their feelings and that some use it simply for the shock value or because other guys say things like that. Personally I look at the act of penetration as just one part of the much larger act of making love which is one of several means of sharing intimacy with a woman. I really think the world would be much better off if men would learn how to love instead of worrying about who they're going to fuck next. Just my opinion.:)

[Birgitta]

U THINK YOU'RE A MAN BUT YOU ARE ONLY A BOY - DIVINE :D :party:

YouTube - divine - you think you're a man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TXoGjYO7TY)

[rameses2]

U THINK YOU'RE A MAN BUT YOU ARE ONLY A BOY - DIVINE :D :party:

YouTube - divine - you think you're a man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TXoGjYO7TY)

Hope I'm not screwing up this thread but THIS reminded me of THIS:YouTube - orgazmo - now you are a man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oECIKVaz5rc)

[phobun]

I know you are right but it's really tragic. I am like 1000% times more masculine then most of the tranny chasers are.


Most cockhounds WANT to be feminine at some level.

[Birgitta]

Most cockhounds WANT to be feminine at some level.


Precisely... so guys... it should not take a lot of imagination or wonder why some tgirls may seem, SEEM bitchy or bitter....
Imagine how you would feel if you spend your life fighting to be yourself only to attract men who desire from you to be the exact opposite of what you are, and want to be your girlfriend while calling themselves straight, and will not hold hands with you on the streets or even be seen with you!

It 's not so hard understand they aren't jumping from joy when encountering such a man...and no wonder some of the girls start calling you gay...even though they know that actually would be an insult for an openly gay man :)

love
Birgitta

[tsnajwa]

All the straight guys I know don't like transsexuals.

no offense but most guys dont admit those things.. its happened to me several times ive had guy friends confide in me that they were attracted to me and 'not to tell anyone'.. but i dont really have interest in being somebodys dirty little secret.. i deserve better than that. i have feelings

[tsnajwa]

And all the people that think fucking for getting fucked by tgirls is gay...i think your wrong. I think fucking a tgirl that had SRS is even more gay if I use your logic. They still have a cock. its still there but its just in a different form (pretty much inside out)..so fucking a tgirl that had SRS is SUPER GAY! think about it...your actually fucking their cock with your cock. putting your cock inside someone else's cock is the ultimate in gay sex acts! hahaha

I would hope that you have taken biology and realize that a gg's vagina is basicly an inside out penis anyways.. but it is presence of SRY gene in fetus that causes ovaries to develop into testes (read: your balls were originally ovaries FYI) urogenital folds fuse and become the scrotum (read: ballsack is originally labial folds in utero)
it is not like male and female are two completely different creatures and women are made of girl atoms and men are made of men atoms.. jeez
Whatever "SUPER GAY!" impression you have is a mental block.. because whether you like it or not vaginal sex (between male and female) whether a neo-vagina or a natal vagina is strictly heterosexual..

[theone1982]

The female body is the original human prototype. That's why men have nipples.:)

[RACQUEL]

WOW,U nailed it! Also what cumms into play is that everyday GG's r less Fem than Tgurls nowadays! Its Fantastic that so many Guys are on the DL 4 Tgurls>Yummmmmm! As 4 bein someones Dirty Secret,IT MAKES THE SEX SO MUCH MORE FUN!!!!!!!

[Ryz]

WOW,U nailed it! Also what cumms into play is that everyday GG's r less Fem than Tgurls nowadays! Its Fantastic that so many Guys are on the DL 4 Tgurls>Yummmmmm! As 4 bein someones Dirty Secret,IT MAKES THE SEX SO MUCH MORE FUN!!!!!!!

You're only saying this because you're a CD, and not an actual transsexual. smh

[bte]

no offense but most guys dont admit those things.. its happened to me several times ive had guy friends confide in me that they were attracted to me and 'not to tell anyone'.. but i dont really have interest in being somebodys dirty little secret.. i deserve better than that. i have feelings

I hear ya, but my friends know I have been in relationships with TS. They have met some of my TS partners, so I would think that they would feel comfortable in confiding in me if they like transsexuals. They don't like TS, but they don't like dick. I imagine if the TS was post op, then they wouldn't mind.

[bte]

WOW,U nailed it! Also what cumms into play is that everyday GG's r less Fem than Tgurls nowadays! Its Fantastic that so many Guys are on the DL 4 Tgurls>Yummmmmm! As 4 bein someones Dirty Secret,IT MAKES THE SEX SO MUCH MORE FUN!!!!!!!

GG's are less fem than tgirls? Righ?

[phobun]

you're only saying this because you're a cd, and not an actual transsexual. Smh


lol.......

[BigDF]

no offense but most guys dont admit those things.. its happened to me several times ive had guy friends confide in me that they were attracted to me and 'not to tell anyone'.. but i dont really have interest in being somebodys dirty little secret.. i deserve better than that. i have feelingsYou're hanging out with the wrong guys, hon. That's total bs on the guy's part. A former friend once made the mistake of telling me that he couldn't believe I'd married a fatty after being married to a slender girl. I was tempted to punch him out, but settled for telling him to never come near me or my wife again. One possible response to such a comment: "Why thank you. I'm attracted to you as well, but please don't tell anyone because I don't people to know that I like total loser assholes."

[lucyana222]

Im a straight man and I fuck shemales! I would never admit it to anyone in real life but I love fucking shemales!
it seems to me that you are unable to fuck shemale but you are able to fuck your big mouth,

[lucyana222]

straight men and women and bisexual women like shemales, but gay men and assholes dislike shemales,:)

[Jamie French]

If all straight dudes liked trans girls then why so many murders? The theory doesn't hold water. Just another dude rationalizing his way out of being, the gay.

[youngblood61]

NO!!!!

[danthepoetman]

If all straight dudes liked trans girls then why so many murders? The theory doesn't hold water. Just another dude rationalizing his way out of being, the gay.
I completely agree. Society in general still doesn't consider t-women to be women, despite the obvious. And many men are just too happy in return to use them to justify their gay desires. There's nothing wrong with being gay, of course; using transsexuality to make yourself believe that you aren't, outside fantasy, is a bit more debatable, imo. And denying t-women's reality for this purpose is as objectionable.
Then again, accepting to be called anything and recognizing what you like, be it strictly and only bottoming for transsexual women who are willing to top, is absolutely fine too, providing you realize and acknowledge what the reality of these women is.

[Jamie French]

Also, just in case anyone chimes in with, "Well dudes that like trannies sometimes murder them because they can't face the fact they like penises and so they lash out aggressively..." then it would stand to reason that we only destroy things because we want them or want to be them and that's just plain dumbfuckery. I've never yearned to be the thing I wanted to get into a physical altercation with and neither have any of you.


If all straight dudes liked trans girls then why so many murders? The theory doesn't hold water. Just another dude rationalizing his way out of being, the gay.

[boner]

Tgirls are girls and a straight guy attracted to femininity will respond to that. When he finds out the girl he's attracted to is more than she seems he might be intrigued or repulsed. If he's repulsed then more than likely it will be accompanied by self loathing for ever being attracted in the first place.

Either way, finding out the girl you dig has a cock will play havoc on your sexuality if you've always thought you were straight. If you can get past that it's like discovering girls all over again.

[nysprod]

Also, just in case anyone chimes in with, "Well dudes that like trannies sometimes murder them because they can't face the fact they like penises and so they lash out aggressively..." then it would stand to reason that we only destroy things because we want them or want to be them and that's just plain dumbfuckery. I've never yearned to be the thing I wanted to get into a physical altercation with and neither have any of you.

Yes, it is my theory that all sexually active men are attracted to transsexual girls...of course, only a small minority will act out.

And yes Jamie, unfortunately, it's all too true that "dudes that like trannies sometimes murder them because they can't face the fact they like penises and so they lash out aggressively..."

[bluesoul]

Yes, it is my theory that all sexually active men are attracted to transsexual girls...of course, only a small minority will act out.


how did you reach this theory? and how do you account it to be true in ALL sexual active men? you don't think there is even a percent of males that aren't huh?

i hate to say this, but this kind of arrogance is actually more indicative of someone who is gay. when you consider the percentage of the populous that's transsexual with the one that is straight, you'd find there are entire countries where people aren't even aware that transgendered individuals exist- just as there are (possibly) transgendered individuals that aren't aware of their status

[dderek123]

Gay guys can be homophobic. If an american politician is openly homophobic you better believe he is gay.

[bluesoul]

Gay guys can be homophobic. If an american politician is openly homophobic you better believe he is gay.

that's not proof either. i don't subscribe to the notion that "oh, he doesn't like gays so he must be secretly gay". i actually do believe some people dislike gay people because they're frightened and offended by homosexual behavior. has nothing to do with them being gay.

[nysprod]

how did you reach this theory? and how do you account it to be true in ALL sexual active men? you don't think there is even a percent of males that aren't huh?

i hate to say this, but this kind of arrogance is actually more indicative of someone who is gay. when you consider the percentage of the populous that's transsexual with the one that is straight, you'd find there are entire countries where people aren't even aware that transgendered individuals exist- just as there are (possibly) transgendered individuals that aren't aware of their status

I fail to see how having a theory makes me arrogant...but it's just a theory, an opinion, so no need to get all upset.

Which countries were you referring to btw?

[bluesoul]

I fail to see how having a theory makes me arrogant...but it's just a theory, an opinion, so no need to get all upset.

Which countries were you referring to btw?

having a theory makes you arrogant when you subscribe it to "everyone". you said "it is my theory that all sexually active men are attracted to transsexual girls". basically, any and all men (who are having sex) are attracted to transsexual girls.

there is nothing wrong with saying "there are some" or "perhaps many" but ALL? if this is so- why then are more transsexual girls unmarried/unattached? is it because all men are just so in denial that they're marrying/dating/with ggs?

as for countries: have you been outside the united states? have you ever heard of transsexuals from greenland or perhaps madagascar?

when the world spins, the earth tiits. just a tiny bit. and with it, go a lot of dreams. most unchecked.

[nysprod]

having a theory makes you arrogant when you subscribe it to "everyone". you said "it is my theory that all sexually active men are attracted to transsexual girls". basically, any and all men (who are having sex) are attracted to transsexual girls.

there is nothing wrong with saying "there are some" or "perhaps many" but ALL? if this is so- why then are more transsexual girls unmarried/unattached? is it because all men are just so in denial that they're marrying/dating/with ggs?

as for countries: have you been outside the united states? have you ever heard of transsexuals from greenland or perhaps madagascar?

when the world spins, the earth tiits. just a tiny bit. and with it, go a lot of dreams. most unchecked.

Actually, now that I think about it I should have said all "all sexually active heterosexual men"...homosexual men are not attracted to transsexual women.

And you know for a fact there are zero transsexuals in Greenland and Madagascar and that every man in those countries is not aware that transsexuals even exist?

[dderek123]

that's not proof either. i don't subscribe to the notion that "oh, he doesn't like gays so he must be secretly gay". i actually do believe some people dislike gay people because they're frightened and offended by homosexual behavior. has nothing to do with them being gay.

Still a lot of homophobes turn out to be gay though.

[bluesoul]

Actually, now that I think about it I should have said all "all sexually active heterosexual men"...homosexual men are not attracted to transsexual women.

i think you're functioning on a fantasy.


And you know for a fact there are zero transsexuals in Greenland and Madagascar and that every man in those countries are not aware that transsexuals even exist?

i said there are countries where people don't know what transsexuals are and transsexuals aren't even aware of their status. this means, those countries have transsexuals, they're just not aware of it.


Still a lot of homophobes turn out to be gay though.

i disagree. some women dislike gay people. does that mean they're homosexual?

you shouldn't just repeat what you hear other people say, otherwise you'll never be able to explain your own thoughts. phobia means to actually be scared of something. like having a phobia for heights or spiders. disliking gay people isn't a phobia.

[fred41]

Still a lot of homophobes turn out to be gay though.

A lot of very outspoken ones seem to be like that...wasn't there a study done using gay porn?...It rings familiar.
Anyhow, when someone constantly screams out anti gay stuff...he seems to be overcompensating.

(BTW..I see a lot of other forms of over compensation in some of the threads on this site also ...lol)

[dderek123]

you shouldn't just repeat what you hear other people say, otherwise you'll never be able to explain your own thoughts. phobia means to actually be scared of something. like having a phobia for heights or spiders. disliking gay people isn't a phobia.

Ahh i see what you mean then. Well I guess men who openly and flamboyantly express their disliking for gay people and their behavior seem to often reveal that they are homosexual later on in life.

[fred41]

Ahh i see what you mean then. Well I guess men who openly and flamboyantly express their disliking for gay people and their behavior seem to often reveal that they are homosexual later on in life.

Here's one big study done just last year:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/homophobia-may-reveal-denial-of-own-same-sex-attraction-study-suggests/

[bluesoul]

A lot of very outspoken ones seem to be like that...wasn't there a study done using gay porn?...It rings familiar.
Anyhow, when someone constantly screams out anti gay stuff...he seems to be overcompensating.

screaming anti-gay stuff doesn't prove you're gay. it could mean you just don't approve of homosexual tendencies. my parents for example are anti-gay. does that mean they're homosexual?

i understand how gay people say hating them means you're hiding your gay to more anti-gay beliefs, because it basically means- if you dislike me you're gay. and if you love me, you're gay. it doesn't really leave you any option but to be on their side.

[fred41]

Here's the study that used porn:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn

[bluesoul]

Ahh i see what you mean then. Well I guess men who openly and flamboyantly express their disliking for gay people and their behavior seem to often reveal that they are homosexual later on in life.

some do and some don't.

[fred41]

screaming anti-gay stuff doesn't prove you're gay. it could mean you just don't approve of homosexual tendencies. my parents for example are anti-gay. does that mean they're homosexual?

i understand how gay people say hating them means you're hiding your gay to more anti-gay beliefs, because it basically means- if you dislike me you're gay. and if you love me, you're gay. it doesn't really leave you any option but to be on their side.

Dude relax...I'm not saying every homophobe is secretly gay...but these studies show that folks who are unusually homophobic sometimes are

[bluesoul]

Dude relax...I'm not saying every homophobe is secretly gay...but these studies show that folks who are unusually homophobic sometimes are

i understand- but does mean that folks who are unusually pro-homosexual activity aren't gay?

[nysprod]

i think you're functioning on a fantasy.

My, we are arrogant...lol


i said there are countries where people don't know what transsexuals are and transsexuals aren't even aware of their status. this means, those countries have transsexuals, they're just not aware of it.

Right...so you know for a fact that in Greenland and Madagascar, all the men don't know what transsexuals are?

[fred41]

i understand- but does mean that folks who are unusually pro-homosexual activity aren't gay?

I doubt it since there's no stigma attached to being straight.

[bluesoul]

I doubt it since there's no stigma attached to being straight.

okay. so is it possible to be anti-gay and hetrosexual?

[fred41]

okay. so is it possible to be anti-gay and hetrosexual?

of course.

[dderek123]

some do and some don't.

Or they just haven't come out of the closet yet :dancing:

Thanks for the link Fred.
Homophobia may reveal denial of own same-sex attraction, study suggests

http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2011/05/09/548442f7-a644-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/thumbnail/270x150/gaymen-000004550830XSmall.jpg?hash=938cd9eebe434d202c0821 2a1bbf4112

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/homophobia-may-reveal-denial-of-own-same-sex-attraction-study-suggests/

[dunkiex]

I love shemales. When I first saw one in a magazine, was so turned on. Did not want to look at their cocks. Always like seeing them bent over with their asshole ready. After a while, I loved looking at their beautiful faces and hot cocks. I think it is just an incredibly sexy combination. Now, I do not look at guys. I do not look at their faces, chests, asses..etc. But I do find a cock, in pictures, to be pretty sexy. To me, shemales, trannies, whatever they are identified as, are women. Are there men who are trannies but are gay and dress up? Likely. But I have know a number of transgender ladies that are all women. They are more lady-like and feminine than a number of women. I just think that they are the sexiest creatures in the world. I do not care what I may be labeled as. I have always found women to be sexy, including those with a male appendage.

[dderek123]

(BTW..I see a lot of other forms of over compensation in some of the threads on this site also ...lol)

Yep this board is rife with that sort of behaviour.

[dderek123]

Relevant?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LRcmg9mxRQ

[Jamie French]

Your theory smells like shit BTW. So all of my male friends want to secretly fuck me? That's what you're saying right?

The level of certainty that your armchair psychology applies to everyone only underscores the fact that you have never actually interacted with any real live human beings. Go the fuck outside and meet some people for christ's sakes. You have precisely ZERO figured out from the comfort of your own home in your echoy little brain casing.

And that shit about violence being tied up with self denial... that shit sounds good on paper and serves for the kind of poetic sadness we'd love to believe actually exists in our world's little horror stories - but the more bleak truth is blaming violence on someone else's self-denial is one of the most egocentric defense mechanisms ever devised. How could someone not like ME? It MUST be because they can't handle how awesome my way of life is... there's no way that people are just completely fucking violent for absolutely trivial reasons. That would mean things are entirely out of my control!



Yes, it is my theory that all sexually active men are attracted to transsexual girls...of course, only a small minority will act out.

And yes Jamie, unfortunately, it's all too true that "dudes that like trannies sometimes murder them because they can't face the fact they like penises and so they lash out aggressively..."

[Weissmann]

Your theory smells like shit BTW. So all of my male friends want to secretly fuck me? That's what you're saying right?

The level of certainty that your armchair psychology applies to everyone only underscores the fact that you have never actually interacted with any real live human beings. Go the fuck outside and meet some people for christ's sakes. You have precisely ZERO figured out from the comfort of your own home in your echoy little brain casing.

And that shit about violence being tied up with self denial... that shit sounds good on paper and serves for the kind of poetic sadness we'd love to believe actually exists in our world's little horror stories - but the more bleak truth is blaming violence on someone else's self-denial is one of the most egocentric defense mechanisms ever devised. How could someone not like ME? It MUST be because they can't handle how awesome my way of life is... there's no way that people are just completely fucking violent for absolutely trivial reasons. That would mean things are entirely out of my control!

maybe because you are not attractive.. could that be the reason?

[tsadriana]

Can someone tell me what is a straight man?i couldnt find on my dictionary.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[be2378]

I like shemales and I'm straight.

[EvaCassini]

I wonder...

Maybe when guys say, "I like shemales, but I'm straight"...

Maybe they're talking about their penises?

Straight penises? As apposed to bent or curved penises?















:p

[Macros]

Just to ask - was this research not shown here?
Authors@Google: Ogi Ogas - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-A8GvUehq4)
Straight men like TS and will always like them. That is quite normal.

[tsadriana]

:mad:
I wonder...

Maybe when guys say, "I like shemales, but I'm straight"...

Maybe they're talking about their penises?

Straight penises? As apposed to bent or curved penises?
Me thinks i was confused ,but you made it clear ,i dint know till know:mad:mad::mad::mad::mad::















:p

[Ben]

SO back to my theory...all straight want to bang hot shemales and most probably like their cocks even if they dont necessarily want to get fucked.

I don't think so. A lot... maybe. But not "all" straight men.
I mean, what about, say, all straight women. Do they all like TG women? No, of course not.

[nysprod]

Your theory smells like shit BTW. So all of my male friends want to secretly fuck me? That's what you're saying right?

IDK if your male friends want to fuck you, per se, but if they are sexually active and hetero, my theory is that they are attracted to TS girls (although as I said only a small minority will act out).


The level of certainty that your armchair psychology applies to everyone only underscores the fact that you have never actually interacted with any real live human beings. Go the fuck outside and meet some people for christ's sakes. You have precisely ZERO figured out from the comfort of your own home in your echoy little brain casing.

First, back off on the aggression, OK? Second, it's my THEORY, which could turn out to be wrong (although I'm sticking with it until proven incorrect).


And that shit about violence being tied up with self denial... that shit sounds good on paper and serves for the kind of poetic sadness we'd love to believe actually exists in our world's little horror stories - but the more bleak truth is blaming violence on someone else's self-denial is one of the most egocentric defense mechanisms ever devised. How could someone not like ME? It MUST be because they can't handle how awesome my way of life is... there's no way that people are just completely fucking violent for absolutely trivial reasons. That would mean things are entirely out of my control!

Self denial on the part of the man committing the violence, absolutely. And BTW, if you've misread this as me trying to apply some sort of "justification" for committing violence, I assure you it is not.

The reason that a man will commit violence against a TS girl he has had sex with certainly is not trivial, at least not in his mind...likely it's tied to extreme feelings of guilt and shame that is linked to his feelings of having had homosexual sex, which manifests into a pathological act (committing violence).

Yes, that's right, there's a whole bunch of people out there who see having sex with a trans girl as really having sex with a man, meaning they see it as a homosexual act.

[Jamie French]

1. Having sex with a transgendered person is very much indeed a homosexual act.
2. The murders happen at the reveal not after the sex.
3. You don't live it so your theories mean nothing.
4. My aggression knows no bounds. You must be new here. Fuck off. Block me. I don't quit.



IDK if your male friends want to fuck you, per se, but if they are sexually active and hetero, my theory is that they are attracted to TS girls (although as I said only a small minority will act out).



First, back off on the aggression, OK? Second, it's my THEORY, which could turn out to be wrong (although I'm sticking with it until proven incorrect).



Self denial on the part of the man committing the violence, absolutely. And BTW, if you've misread this as me trying to apply some sort of "justification" for committing violence, I assure you it is not.

The reason that a man will commit violence against a TS girl he has had sex with certainly is not trivial, at least not in his mind...likely it's tied to extreme feelings of guilt and shame that is linked to his feelings of having had homosexual sex, which manifests into a pathological act (committing violence).

Yes, that's right, there's a whole bunch of people out there who see having sex with a trans girl as really having sex with a man, meaning they see it as a homosexual act.

[Missbigdong]

Not all but some do including me but i wouldnt consider myself 100 percent straight im more curious then anything and transexuals do tickle my fancy on a regular basis lolx

[tsparrow69]

i had sex a lot of times with straight men who dont like TS girls. but if your very passable and gorgeous its good for them. they view us like girls night and day and in bed ;)
Alyssa, I was trying to give you a thumbs up on your comment. Did you the thumbs up? Wow I just realized that you made this post nearly three years ago. I hope you are doing well and best wishes

[nysprod]

1. Having sex with a transgendered person is very much indeed a homosexual act.

I would imagine there are many trans girls who will dispute this point, I'll let them handle it (doesn't matter to me either way).


2. The murders happen at the reveal not after the sex.

Wrong, it actually can happen either way


3. You don't live it so your theories mean nothing.

Live what...you needn't have had mental illness to be a psychiatrist



4. My aggression knows no bounds. You must be new here. Fuck off. Block me. I don't quit.

I actually have twice as many posts as you do so blow me, maricon...

[dderek123]

I had to check what maricon meant. It's not a commonly used term in my neck of the woods.

maricón
Latino English and Spanglish

1) Derogatory term; crude word for a gay man used by straight men and women to insult gay men or to question the masculinity of straight men. Comparable to faggot.
2) A crude word for transvestites, comparable to tranny but more rude.
3) Affectionate term of address used by certain gay men to address other gay men, often in jest.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=maricon

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/maric%C3%B3n

http://i.imgur.com/JkOzKst.gif

[nysprod]

I had to check what maricon meant. It's not a commonly used term in my neck of the woods.

maricón
Latino English and Spanglish

1) Derogatory term; crude word for a gay man used by straight men and women to insult gay men or to question the masculinity of straight men. Comparable to faggot.
2) A crude word for transvestites, comparable to tranny but more rude.
3) Affectionate term of address used by certain gay men to address other gay men, often in jest.



4) Affectionate term of address used by certain men who chase transsexuals to address other men who chase transsexuals, often in jest.

[dderek123]

4) Affectionate term of address used by certain men who chase transsexuals to address other men who chase transsexuals, often in jest.

Hmmm I didn't see that one in the dictionary links. Did you just make that one up yourself? Or did you call Jamie a corrupt politician?

http://i.imgur.com/gPoXB1D.jpg

[nysprod]

Hmmm I didn't see that one in the dictionary links. Did you just make that one up yourself? Or did you call Jamie a corrupt politician?



I called jamie maricon, which is what he is lmaooo

[dderek123]

I called jamie maricon, which is what he is lmaooo

That's not very nice though. No need to call people names.

[nysprod]

That's not very nice though. No need to call people names.

It's ok, jamie and eva and their pals use all these terms interchangeably and they think we're all fags in denial...but aside from that:


1. Having sex with a transgendered person is very much indeed a homosexual act.

So now what you think?

[dderek123]

It's ok, jamie and eva and their pals use all these terms interchangeably and they think we're all fags in denial...but aside from that:


Oh so you're one of their pals, eh? And maricon basically means faggot. I could see how some people think its fun to call each other names like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-55wC5dEnc

Hmm, something tells me that you two aren't pals though.

[nysprod]

Oh so you're one of their pals, eh? And maricon basically means faggot. I could see how some people think its fun to call each other names like that.



You didn't answer my question...and you're being way too serious...

[dderek123]

You didn't answer my question...and you're being way too serious...

Oh i thought you were asking Jamie. Well my 2 cents is that admiring TS isn't gay but it's definitely not straight. It's somewhere in the middle between 100% homo and 100% hetero. So I think we're on a sliding scale of sexuality that can change as we get older. I think it's called the Kinsey scale? I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that would disagree but that's what makes sense to me.

When people ask about what's up with me loving TS I just tell them I'm bi. I'm not attracted to men so it isn't really the perfect little definition for what turns me on. But, people are more familiar with that and so they it's easier to explain. I usually kid around and tell them that I call myself a tranny chaser. Most people haven't even heard of that term. The people that do ask are just curious and I get a few laughs out of it.

[nysprod]

Oh i thought you were asking Jamie. Well my 2 cents is that admiring TS isn't gay but it's definitely not straight. It's somewhere in the middle between 100% homo and 100% hetero. So I think we're on a sliding scale of sexuality that can change as we get older. I think it's called the Kinsey scale? I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that would disagree but that's what makes sense to me.

When people ask about what's up with me loving TS I just tell them I'm bi. I'm not attracted to men so it isn't really the perfect little definition for what turns me on. But, people are more familiar with that and so they it's easier to explain. I usually kid around and tell them that I call myself a tranny chaser. Most people haven't even heard of that term. The people that do ask are just curious and I get a few laughs out of it.

Not that...I meant what do you think about jamie saying having sex with a transsexual being a homosexual act.

[dderek123]

Not that...I meant what do you think about jamie saying having sex with a transsexual being a homosexual act.

Well that was my answer. It's right in there.

[EvaCassini]

I called jamie maricon, which is what he is lmaooo


Context, Nysprod. Context.

Faggot, Queer, Fudgepacker, Shit stabber, Rump Ranger, Sausage Jockey, Fairy, Limp Wristed, ect. are all just words. Words are just a combination of sounds to convey a thought.

But use of any word in improper context is disrespectful and on terms of bullying.

I ( and Jamie, and other LGBT folk ) playfully use these terms in jest. Since you consider yourself Straight. You don't fit in to properly use these slurs, especially in jest.

So by understanding proper context use, your use of "maricon" is a distasteful and disrespectful slur.

Furthermore, using improper pronouns with purposeful ill intent ( especially on this board ) is rude and very disrespectful. Being as though it was said here on this board, your using the pronoun "He" is a step on a very short ladder to being banned. It may be a typo, but your lack of editing or stating to the contrary shows it was purposeful.

Thanks. :D

[Jamie French]

Dude. I'm THE fag, make no mistake. If a tranny gives you a boner, guess what? So's you. It will always be a dick, it will always have XY chromosomes, it will never have a uterus, it's voice will be deep, it's shadow will be 5 o' clock and you will eat that shit up, everytime. We are fairies, we are one, we are legion. Welcome to the queer side.

Fag.


I would imagine there are many trans girls who will dispute this point, I'll let them handle it (doesn't matter to me either way).



Wrong, it actually can happen either way



Live what...you needn't have had mental illness to be a psychiatrist




I actually have twice as many posts as you do so blow me, maricon...

[nysprod]

Dude. I'm THE fag, make no mistake. If a tranny gives you a boner, guess what? So's you. It will always be a dick, it will always have XY chromosomes, it will never have a uterus, it's voice will be deep, it's shadow will be 5 o' clock and you will eat that shit up, everytime. We are fairies, we are one, we are legion. Welcome to the queer side.

Fag.

Yeah you little bitch I will eat it, suck it, fuck it and love it like the homo I am!



Context, Nysprod. Context.

Faggot, Queer, Fudgepacker, Shit stabber, Rump Ranger, Sausage Jockey, Fairy, Limp Wristed, ect. are all just words. Words are just a combination of sounds to convey a thought.

But use of any word in improper context is disrespectful and on terms of bullying.

I ( and Jamie, and other LGBT folk ) playfully use these terms in jest. Since you consider yourself Straight. You don't fit in to properly use these slurs, especially in jest.

So by understanding proper context use, your use of "maricon" is a distasteful and disrespectful slur.

Furthermore, using improper pronouns with purposeful ill intent ( especially on this board ) is rude and very disrespectful. Being as though it was said here on this board, your using the pronoun "He" is a step on a very short ladder to being banned. It may be a typo, but your lack of editing or stating to the contrary shows it was purposeful.

Thanks. :D

OMG homo, relax! Thanks :D

[Jamie French]

......




Yeah you little bitch I will eat it, suck it, fuck it and love it like the homo I am!




OMG homo, relax! Thanks :D

[maddygirl]

Dude. I'm THE fag, make no mistake. If a tranny gives you a boner, guess what? So's you. It will always be a dick, it will always have XY chromosomes, it will never have a uterus, it's voice will be deep, it's shadow will be 5 o' clock and you will eat that shit up, everytime. We are fairies, we are one, we are legion. Welcome to the queer side.

Fag.
That was truly heart warming.

[maddygirl]

I called jamie maricon, which is what he is lmaooo
Classic example of the defense mechanism called projection. I'm sensing some inner struggles. It'll be alright. I promise. Stay fabulous.

[JGardner81x]

Guys want the cock, that's what makes tgirls different from genetic girls. I'm comfortable with that & I don't need to categorise that info for myself or anyone else.

[Rusty Eldora]

Back to the subject, OK I see feminine Tgirls, but don't see borderline or more masculine TS or CD. I'm probably not totally straight by that - however I am very OK and confident in my choices.

When I am with a feminine Tgirl that considers herself female, we for all practical purposes straight. When our cocks touch or either of us is using cock for pleasure of the other, there is certainly a bi-component to me.

My internal feelings are different with a tgirl compared to a GG. I like both but it is different. Outside of the bedroom, I really enjoy hanging out with a TS and am comfortable being in public with them. The public really watches Tgirls at a restaurant or bar, but if they are being clocked it is in a positive manner - they want her too.

[nysprod]

Classic example of the defense mechanism called projection. I'm sensing some inner struggles. It'll be alright. I promise. Stay fabulous.

Actually, it was all just kidding around...Jamie and I have a similar sense of humor.

[Nikka]

wrong, I was in trouble once with a guy from middle east , because he thought I was a woman and he touch the buldge

[danthepoetman]

I wonder...
Maybe when guys say, "I like shemales, but I'm straight"...
Maybe they're talking about their penises?
Straight penises? As apposed to bent or curved penises?
:p

1. Having sex with a transgendered person is very much indeed a homosexual act.

Dude. I'm THE fag, make no mistake. If a tranny gives you a boner, guess what? So's you. It will always be a dick, it will always have XY chromosomes, it will never have a uterus, it's voice will be deep, it's shadow will be 5 o' clock and you will eat that shit up, everytime. We are fairies, we are one, we are legion. Welcome to the queer side.
Fag.

Eva and Jamie, I know there is a context to all of this, I can understand that, it's easy to see and to follow through the thread. But this? Really?
This is the kind of reflections that are undoutfully incredibly helpful to all the transsexual women who are desperatly trying to be recognized as women here in America and all over the world but are still facing tremendous odds against them, are cast aside and indeed, often beaten, killed and treated like shit. So they are all, in the end, fags in drag, and we who appreciate their femininity are all in reality a bunch of fags running after cocks...?
That's just great. And you feel that Nysprod is simplistic?

You are a very lucid person, Jamie. You have a type of very crude and focused intelligence. Often, your views and perspectives are quite compelling in how they indeed cut through the bull shit. But there is a level at which lucidity becomes so simplistic it can't define any kind of reality but the cynicism of the perspective.

If that's the way you percieve yourself, "a fag", and all of us, it certainly is your prerogative, but I will never be able to share such a perspective and neither the most enlighten people of a society which is at last -thank God!- starting to understand the question and to deal with it, and neither the crushing majority of transsexual women.

[bte]

If straight guys like transsexuals then there wouldn't be violence against transsexuals by guys who find out they are transsexuals.

[Ben]

Dude. I'm THE fag, make no mistake. If a tranny gives you a boner, guess what? So's you. It will always be a dick, it will always have XY chromosomes, it will never have a uterus, it's voice will be deep, it's shadow will be 5 o' clock and you will eat that shit up, everytime. We are fairies, we are one, we are legion. Welcome to the queer side.

Fag.

Bump -- :)http://shemalestardb.com/cont1/11/80020_10.jpg

[nysprod]

If straight guys like transsexuals then there wouldn't be violence against transsexuals by guys who find out they are transsexuals.

The theory is that all sexually active hetero men are attracted to shemales, but that doesn't mean some won't act out in a violent way when confronted with their own reality.

[NYCTSluv]

If someone puts a straight mans favorite female celebrity in front of them and then another same female celebrity with a COCK and the guy goes straight for the transexual one and the cock, sucking it.....he's not straight!

:lol:

[EvaCassini]

Some people just don't like the "D". Lots of Females, Males, and Trans do not care for cock. Especially on a girl. It's very simple genetics.

If a fully hetero person only cares for the opposite sex's genitalia, then that's it. Your theory is bologna.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you say "EVERY MALE, who is sexually active (this means from the ages of ~12 to 89 ) are in someway attracted to SHEMALES."

Your theory makes no sense at all. Because out of all the Males I have known throughout my life ( Hundreds ), they do NOT all find SHEMALES attractive. As in pursuing in anyway to jack off to, meet and fuck. Some men just want the pussy.

What you suggest is some kind of alternate Star Trek/Star Wars/Woodstock Hippie reality where everyone is attracted to everyone without persecution. That's not the case. Get real buddy.

The ONLY, and I mean "ONLY" way a "Hetero" male would be somewhat attracted to a SHEMALE, is that he does NOT know said attractive Female-looking person has a PENIS.

But once the reveal happens, the said male will either flip-shit or be ok with it. Literally 50-50.

Flip shit - Strictly only attracted to VAGINA. Not expecting ( IN THE LEAST ) that there is a PENIS. Will either freak out and run or let his fear and ego take over and turn to violence. ( REAL evidence shows this is mainly the case. Being that there are lots of battery charges and/or killings. )

Ok w/ it - Most likely Bi, Curious, and/or attracted already to SHEMALES. And, can either tell by knowing her ( I.E. a porn model, friend, friend of a friend ) or can tell a "certain" thing is "askew". ( I.E. something noticeable like an Adams apple, shadow, hands, voice, gait, demeanor, mannerisms. ) Then will proceed to be a respectful guy or a complete pervert or both. All completely fine and acceptable, especially compared to what I mentioned above...the "MURDER" part.

[nysprod]

Some people just don't like the "D". Lots of Females, Males, and Trans do not care for cock. Especially on a girl. It's very simple genetics. If a fully hetero person only cares for the opposite sex's genitalia, then that's it. Your theory is bologna.

I never said anything about females and trans girls...and I didn't equate being attracted to shemales as necessarily being attracted to dick.


Correct me if I am wrong, but you say "EVERY MALE, who is sexually active (this means from the ages of ~12 to 89 ) are in someway attracted to SHEMALES."

Your theory makes no sense at all. Because out of all the Males I have known throughout my life ( Hundreds ), they do NOT all find SHEMALES attractive. As in pursuing in anyway to jack off to, meet and fuck. Some men just want the pussy.

What you suggest is some kind of alternate Star Trek/Star Wars/Woodstock Hippie reality where everyone is attracted to everyone without persecution. That's not the case. Get real buddy.

The ONLY, and I mean "ONLY" way a "Hetero" male would be somewhat attracted to a SHEMALE, is that he does NOT know said attractive Female-looking person has a PENIS.

But once the reveal happens, the said male will either flip-shit or be ok with it. Literally 50-50.

Maybe they didn't want to admit it, and maybe you didn't have deep enough discussions.

To be more specific "being attracted to" does not mean they will act out, jerk off to, or in any way accept their feelings...just as with some hetero men who have longings for other men occasionally, the feelings are deeply buried.

And there have been numerous instances of men who have murdered transsexuals after having had both consensual and non-consensual sexual relations with their victims...of course, there also have been instances when a man had no idea of the reality and then flipped out beforehand.

[SXFX]

either way ladies please pleas please don't think you can "trick" a guy. 99/100 you will be ok...but all it takes is that 1 guy and you can be hurt....and you know that.

[nysprod]

And in any event, as I said, it's my theory...I can't prove it's a fact just as you can't prove the opposite.


either way ladies please pleas please don't think you can "trick" a guy. 99/100 you will be ok...but all it takes is that 1 guy and you can be hurt....and you know that.

Tricking can indeed be a dangerous game, but it goes back to the type of man that transsexual women want to meet: those who are attracted to them in spite of their genitalia, and not because of it.

[lar336]

The theory is that all sexually active hetero men are attracted to shemales, but that doesn't mean some won't act out in a violent way when confronted with their own reality.

I absolutely believe this. I actually read this book recently called "Blink" and it talked about that when people are confronted with something new, they may not show the best reaction even if they really like it...and may not be aware they like it.

The author didn't talked about sexuality, but I think the concept is the same. He showed an example of the singer of the group "No Doubt." His music was different and couldn't be categorized, but when music executives first heard him, they wanted to sign him right away. They knew right away his music was special. However, when his music was sent to consumer research, they found the audiences were not receptive to his music. In fact, he rated away below the average scores. Where the executives wrong? No, as you know the story, his music became hot..."No Doubt" indeed. There were other examples such as a TV show that showcased a woman as a career woman back in the 90s (career women were fairly new back than) and a furniture chair that looked weird, but was quite comfortable (people were used to the idea that a comfortable chair is suppose to look comfortable). But these all became hot and great hits.

So the examples show when people in general are confronted with something new, they may say things like "hate" it...but it may really be just a translation for "its different." And perhaps the same thing occurs with a straight man who encounters a beautiful transexual. Consciously they could never pull themselves to accept it, but unconsciously its just about attraction, desire, pleasure and the like. In fact, I think it is possible that men who like transexual woman are more experts on sexuality because they see sexuality for what it is. Just like the executives/experts who first heard No Doubt's music, they liked it right away even if it was different because they know how good music is suppose to sound, which kind of beat it should have, how catchy it is. The fact that something is different doesn't matter to them, if it has a catchy and rhythm that they seen in other music, they know it will work. In the same way, men who like transexuals may just understand that transexual women have many of the same qualities that they look for in a genetic women, beauty, breast...

[MartianSpy]

And in any event, as I said, it's my theory...I can't prove it's a fact just as you can't prove the opposite.

I may have missed a post, but it appears to me that Eve has presented evidence in support of her position, and you haven't.

[nysprod]

I may have missed a post, but it appears to me that Eve has presented evidence in support of her position, and you haven't.

I'm really not into having a whole discussion about it...the whole thing can't be answered definitively anyway.

Peace, and now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[flabbybody]

If straight guys like transsexuals then there wouldn't be violence against transsexuals by guys who find out they are transsexuals.
That's the tired excuse that scumbag defense attorneys use when the perp is charged with assault against a transgender. It was actually used in a homicide case when an escort was murdered by a deranged psychopath.

[danthepoetman]

I think that Nysprod's "theory" is simply badly formulated. If I might suggest this formulation, to which Nysprod might or might not suscribe: "I think there is no reason why straight men shouldn't be attracted by a feminine being who look, feel, think, walk, talk, act, smell and conduct herself like a woman." If that's what he meant, I totally agree with him. And as the say goes, "if it walks like a duck and quack like a duck, well, it IS a duck". The only reason why someone wouldn't then, be attacted by such a person when he's attracted by women, is because that person has a cock. They can't get beyond that. Is it legitimate? Well, on what basis or from what perspective? The question could be judged from many...

[bluesoul]

"I think there is no reason why straight men shouldn't be attracted by a feminine being who look, feel, think, walk, talk, act, smell and conduct herself like a woman."

i don't think doing all those things make you a woman though, because then you're implying all women look, feel, think, walk, talk act and smell a certain way.

there are certain things about a woman that are unchangeable, which is really the only thing that all women have in common and that's their chromosomes (as jamie pointed earlier).

btw: anyone remember the Caster Semenya case? there is a reason why people didn't ask her "so what gender do you consider yourself" and resorted to dna testing. because just like they say in law enforcement: "blood doesn't lie"

[danthepoetman]

i don't think doing all those things make you a woman though, because then you're implying all women look, feel, think, walk, talk act and smell a certain way.
there are certain things about a woman that are unchangeable, which is really the only thing that all women have in common and that's their chromosomes (as jamie pointed earlier).
btw: anyone remember the Caster Semenya case? there is a reason why people didn't ask her "so what gender do you consider yourself" and resorted to dna testing. because just like they say in law enforcement: "blood doesn't lie"

That's highly debatable. It's like asking what is death: heart stopping for a certain time, brain activity, cellular degradation? In this case, many other elements could be considered as constitutive of what a woman is, and the chromosomes are sometimes a bad one. For instance, women with CAIS, Complete Androgen Insensivity Syndrome, comes out of the womb as completely constituted girls, and they grow up as girls. Their chromosomes are, in a way, lying... There are numerous disorders that will dissociate the phenotype from the genotype, in someone, many that will also produce intersexuation phenomena, in which someone will be in-between, phenotypically, despite what the chromosomes are saying. There are also many chromosomic disorders that will distinguish the phenotype from the genetic program. Simply saying, "it's the chromosomes that determines everything" is an over simplification.
Recent neurological discoveries also tend to show that the sense of identity, and mainly the sense of sexual identity has a basis in a very precise location of the brain, and it appears more and more that many things can go "wrong" in the fetal developement to produce this particular type of intersexuation which consist in someone with a genotype and possibly a phenotype that are masculine and a sense of identity that is feminine.
Moreover, we have lived under the christian influence for so long, Bluesoul, that we still constantly tend to see things in double, if you will; you know, this schizophrenia which we've been thaught for centuries upon centuries that we are double beings, body and soul. The hard fact is, despite what we still tend to think, sometimes the appearances are not a superficial layer of reality but most of that reality itself -what you see is what you get.
So in the end it's complex, much more complex than that. And in the precise case we're talking about, I think it's very narrow minded not to concede anything to these women -so obviously women, in many cases-, and make a bunch of fags out of them. On the contrary, it's absolute nonsense.
And as to guys having desire for these women, Bluesoul, heterosexual desire for these women or any other, wouldn't you think it as more credible to imagine that they're attracted by these elements I enumerated in my previous post rather than by their chromosomes?

[maddygirl]

I never said anything about females and trans girls...and I didn't equate being attracted to shemales as necessarily being attracted to dick.



Maybe they didn't want to admit it, and maybe you didn't have deep enough discussions.

To be more specific "being attracted to" does not mean they will act out, jerk off to, or in any way accept their feelings...just as with some hetero men who have longings for other men occasionally, the feelings are deeply buried.

And there have been numerous instances of men who have murdered transsexuals after having had both consensual and non-consensual sexual relations with their victims...of course, there also have been instances when a man had no idea of the reality and then flipped out beforehand.
If all men are attracted to "shemales", then why are you so scared to confess to your family that you like them?

[nysprod]

If all men are attracted to "shemales", then why are you so scared to confess to your family that you like them?

If and when I meet one that i think can be serious about a relationship, I will...until that happens, there's no reason to.

[Jamie French]

Here's the thing about the chromosome arguments made here... on a board like this we really aren't talking about a handful of folks who live with a physical medical condition, (messed up chromosomes and other wacky chemical goof ups) we're talking about the kind of people that draw men to these boards. Most every performer (maybe one or two that I'm not aware of as exceptions) known to the guys of this board have perfectly fine and completely functional Y chromosomes. The medical anomalies are rarely fit for a job like this, for a slew of obvious reasons. (Also, the death analogy: When all systems have finally stopped working without help of outside influence. That's a pretty simple one... any single example of a kind of death is not death in and of itself just and indication that actual death is close at hand.)





That's highly debatable. It's like asking what is death: heart stopping for a certain time, brain activity, cellular degradation? In this case, many other elements could be considered as constitutive of what a woman is, and the chromosomes are sometimes a bad one. For instance, women with CAIS, Complete Androgen Insensivity Syndrome, comes out of the womb as completely constituted girls, and they grow up as girls. Their chromosomes are, in a way, lying... There are numerous disorders that will dissociate the phenotype from the genotype, in someone, many that will also produce intersexuation phenomena, in which someone will be in-between, phenotypically, despite what the chromosomes are saying. There are also many chromosomic disorders that will distinguish the phenotype from the genetic program. Simply saying, "it's the chromosomes that determines everything" is an over simplification.
Recent neurological discoveries also tend to show that the sense of identity, and mainly the sense of sexual identity has a basis in a very precise location of the brain, and it appears more and more that many things can go "wrong" in the fetal developement to produce this particular type of intersexuation which consist in someone with a genotype and possibly a phenotype that are masculine and a sense of identity that is feminine.
Moreover, we have lived under the christian influence for so long, Bluesoul, that we still constantly tend to see things in double, if you will; you know, this schizophrenia which we've been thaught for centuries upon centuries that we are double beings, body and soul. The hard fact is, despite what we still tend to think, sometimes the appearances are not a superficial layer of reality but most of that reality itself -what you see is what you get.
So in the end it's complex, much more complex than that. And in the precise case we're talking about, I think it's very narrow minded not to concede anything to these women -so obviously women, in many cases-, and make a bunch of fags out of them. On the contrary, it's absolute nonsense.
And as to guys having desire for these women, Bluesoul, heterosexual desire for these women or any other, wouldn't you think it as more credible to imagine that they're attracted by these elements I enumerated in my previous post rather than by their chromosomes?

[maddygirl]

Here's the thing about the chromosome arguments made here... on a board like this we really aren't talking about a handful of folks who live with a physical medical condition, (messed up chromosomes and other wacky chemical goof ups) we're talking about the kind of people that draw men to these boards. Most every performer (maybe one or two that I'm not aware of as exceptions) known to the guys of this board have perfectly fine and completely functional Y chromosomes. The medical anomalies are rarely fit for a job like this, for a slew of obvious reasons. (Also, the death analogy: When all systems have finally stopped working without help of outside influence. That's a pretty simple one... any single example of a kind of death is not death in and of itself just and indication that actual death is close at hand.)
It's not a handful of folks. There are quite a bit of natal born females living with the condition. It is a valid argument because it's the truth. Classifying gender based on chromosomes is a flawed approach that has been proved wrong countless times.

[bluesoul]

That's highly debatable. It's like asking what is death: heart stopping for a certain time, brain activity, cellular degradation? In this case, many other elements could be considered as constitutive of what a woman is, and the chromosomes are sometimes a bad one.


actually, my comment concerning chromosomes was mainly to point out that being a woman is simply beyond what's on the surface, and what you see, and also about what you don't see. truth is absolute; it doesn't favor opinion nor is it interchangeable. so when you talk about "intersexuation phenomena" this helps explains why some people feel a certain way, but it doesn't make their truth THE truth.

as to your other comment "heterosexual desire for these women or any other, wouldn't you think it as more credible to imagine that they're attracted by these elements I enumerated in my previous post rather than by their chromosomes?"

actually i completely disagree. again, this isn't about what i prefer to imagine. each person has their own personal reasons of why they are attracted to another person- some are good reasons (such as their attraction to personality) and some are superficial (their social status/money).

i'd also prefer not to get into the "body and soul" discussion as that's another topic i tend to disagree with and feel isn't relevant at this point unless i'm missing something.

[maddygirl]

actually, my comment concerning chromosomes was mainly to point out that being a woman is simply beyond what's on the surface, and what you see, and also about what you don't see. truth is absolute; it doesn't favor opinion nor is it interchangeable. so when you talk about "intersexuation phenomena" this helps explains why some people feel a certain way, but it doesn't make their truth THE truth.

as to your other comment "heterosexual desire for these women or any other, wouldn't you think it as more credible to imagine that they're attracted by these elements I enumerated in my previous post rather than by their chromosomes?"

actually i completely disagree. again, this isn't about what i prefer to imagine. each person has their own personal reasons of why they are attracted to another person- some are good reasons (such as their attraction to personality) and some are superficial (their social status/money).

i'd also prefer not to get into the "body and soul" discussion as that's another topic i tend to disagree with and feel isn't relevant at this point unless i'm missing something.
Actually, your statement "blood doesn't lie" infers that every woman with XY chromosomes is less of a woman than those with XX. So, essentially every woman on this board isn't a woman? Lol. Hm, ok.

[morim]

I'm really a straight man, and I really like every kind of girl, T or not T!!!!

[bluesoul]

Actually, your statement "blood doesn't lie" infers that every woman with XY chromosomes is less of a woman than those with XX. So, essentially every woman on this board isn't a woman? Lol. Hm, ok.

it's not my comment. i said it's a law enforcement comment. if you take someone's blood (considering it's not contaminated) you have someone's DNA and from that you can determine gender despite XY chromosomes or XX.

most women on this board are transsexual women, which is different from a natal women, and also different from crossdressers who are here too.

[maddygirl]

it's not my comment. i said it's a law enforcement comment. if you take someone's blood (considering it's not contaminated) you have someone's DNA and from that you can determine gender despite XY chromosomes or XX.

most women on this board are transsexual women, which is different from a natal women, and also different from crossdressers who are here too.
Then, tell me how exactly you can determine gender from blood if chromosomes aren't a factor? You can't. There is NO way of determining gender without chromsomes, therefore, there is no fool-proof way of determining gender. Full stop.

[bluesoul]

If and when I meet one that i think can be serious about a relationship, I will...until that happens, there's no reason to.

but you said all sexually active men are. so your parents think you're not sexually active?

[bluesoul]

Then, tell me how exactly you can determine gender from blood if chromosomes aren't a factor? You can't.

wrong. you can:

1). carbon dating
2). assessment of hipbone
3). ct scan

also, if you wanna get really physical

4). assessment of hypothalamus

no full stops necessary

[maddygirl]

wrong. you can:

1). carbon dating
2). assessment of hipbone
3). ct scan

also, if you wanna get really physical

4). assessment of hypothalamus

no full stops necessary
Again, you're not telling me how you can determine gender. A lot of transwomen have more narrow hip bones than XX women. Does that not make them women? You're giving no proof of gender determination. Lol. I don't think you get it.

[dderek123]

That's interesting about using carbon dating to determine sex. I had to google forensic anthropology to find out more about it.

"Sex
One of the initial factors to determine when identifying a set of human remains is the sex of the individual. There are numerous features of the human skeleton that can be studied to help establish this, the most obvious being the pelvic bone. Women generally have proportionally wider pubic bones than men to allow room for a baby’s head to pass through during childbirth. In most cases a female will bear a sub-pubic angle of more than 90 degrees, whilst the sub-pubic angle of a male’s pubic bone will generally be less than 90 degrees. The use of the pelvic bone alone has proved extremely precise in establishing sex, with an accuracy of up to 95% (Byers, 2002). However this is not a useful indicator when determining the sex of a pre-pubescent child, as the pelvic bone in girls is yet to widen, thus meaning there is a lack of sexual dimorphism between the sexes.

The skull is equally beneficial in the establishment of sex. A male’s skull will generally have a more rounded supraorbital margin, or brow ridge, and a bony glabella, the portion of bone between the eyebrows and nose. The mastoid process, behind the ear, is larger, the mandible more squared, and the forehead slightly backwards-slanting. The nasal cavity of a male will be longer and narrower. In contrast, a skull belonging to a female will have a sharper supraorbital margin and a smooth glabella. The mastoid process will be smaller in size, the mandible less squared, and the forehead more rounded. A female will generally display a slightly wider, pear-shaped nasal cavity. Though slightly less accurate in identifying sex than the pelvic bone (80-90% using the skull, according to Byers (2002), the skull is still greatly beneficial in sex determination.

There are additional though less accurate points of identification. Males tend to have larger, heavier, and more rugged bones in general, with slightly larger ends to support stronger muscles. Sex is generally easier to establish if the racial background of the victim is known, due to differences between different ethnic groups. "

http://forensicsciencecentral.co.uk/anthropology.shtml

[bluesoul]

I don't think you get it.

actually, i do (now) and i see my mistake

the problem here is that we're uncertain (or rather we haven't made it clear) what is necessary and sufficient to be categorized as a woman. at least, up to this point, i'm not sure it's been done

personally, i take sociocultural as well as epigenetic effects to contribute to the position of the gender spectrum as well as genetics. so i wouldn't consider it to be completely something you can define in terms of "needs to meet this qualifications" since there are societies that don't have male or female.

in that case, there is a relationship betwix gender someone identifies with, the sex they are being overlaid onto that

[Jdor]

I came across this thread via Google as I wanted to know other opinions in regards to straight guys and shemales/tgirls/transforms, I see that this thread started and probably finished many years ago but I'm hoping that people still see it as I'd like to follow up on the debate, weigh in and also agree with what other people have said :) so this is my thought process.

For a moment we shall cast aside the genitalia and just focus on the initial visuals.

Mtf trans- looks like a woman
Ftm trans- looks like a man
Especially if they've undergone certain hormonal treatment/surgery.

So as others have said, a straight man will obviously be attracted to a woman and visa versa. A gay man will be attracted to a man and a gay woman attracted to a woman. Unfortunately I do not know any transgender people at this time so I can't confirm whom they are attracted to.

So to follow up on the above, again forgetting about what's between the legs, a straight man will be attracted to a ftm Trans because they look like a woman and also a straight woman would be attracted to a ftm Trans because they look like a man. Now these straight people upon seeing these trans people have probably already imagined sex with them based upon how they physically look. A lot of straight men enjoy giving anal to a woman, so I believe most of them could honestly see past a penis or the transgirl and still want to have sex with them anyway as they've already thought about it before knowing what they have, yeah they may not want to touch the penis or take it either but in regards to having sex with what looks like a woman especially if they've had surgery/hormone treatment I think they'd do it. Same goes for a straight woman with a ftm Trans, all the fmt would have to do is wear a strap on and it would just be the same as having a guy on top of you , yeah women will feel the difference in having a fake penis inside of them than a real one, but if they're so attracted to the visual of the man on top then I also think they could see past that they have a vagina (of they haven't gone that far in surgery that is)

At the end of the day, labels should be scrapped and to finalise my point, a straight man shouldn't feel gay about finding a transgirl attractive because they don't look like a man. Let's be honest, any straight guy that doesn't find ts pornstar Jane marie attractive is crazy, if you was to see her in the street and not know who she was you wouldn't think twice about wanting to fuck her.

That's all :)

[must93]

In today's world does it really matter? If two people can enjoy life together who cares.

[Ts RedVeX]

Communists care...

[Jdor]

Exactly

[Jdor]

In today's world does it really matter? If two people can enjoy life together who cares.

Exactly

[Jdor]

Are you kidding! I think that if you're "straight" you "have" to like shemales. Sooner or later you're gonna get a boner! You can't tell me that a "straight" man can come on here and not find at least 1 girl on here attractive. You would have to be gay not to. If you're a "man" and is not turned on by the "feminine", than what does that make you???

Ha, amen