Guys: When you're around your "straight" friends & the topic of transsexuals come up?

[www.tglovers.com]

Please don't be offended by the term "straight" I am just using it to illustrate a point.

When you are around other people who are not aware of your affinity for transsexuals, and the topic comes up...how do you handle that?

I've been in situations where people didn't realize that I was transsexuals and they begin to discuss transsexuals. I keep quiet because I am really interested in hearing what people really think. There have been other times where someone has said something that was completely disrespectful to transsexuals and I felt obligated to speak up.

As a trans-attracted man, do you speak-up, remain silent or look for an exit?

YouTube - Dating: Transsexuals VS. Biological Women? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJBfK9IQlc)

[Kevin Dong]

Please don't be offended by the term "straight" I am just using it to illustrate a point.

When you are around other people who are not aware of your affinity for transsexuals, and the topic comes up...how do you handle that?

I've been in situations where people didn't realize that I was transsexuals and they begin to discuss transsexuals. I keep quiet because I am really interested in hearing what people really think. There have been other times where someone has said something that was completely disrespectful to transsexuals and I felt obligated to speak up.

As a trans-attracted man, do you speak-up, remain silent or look for an exit?

YouTube - Dating: Transsexuals VS. Biological Women? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJBfK9IQlc)


I know what you mean Cerebral Diva. I am in my last year of university in a rural Canadian town and have dealt with this many times around my peers. I always have the upper hand in such an argument as people don't really argue with somebody my size and physical appearance. I've heard it all from people starting with idiots thinking homosexuality is a choice to misunderstood ignorant comments about transsexuals. I always put the little fuckers in their place. Nicely and politely and I never ever get physical! :)

[lisaparadise]

I know what you mean Cerebral Diva. I am in my last year of university in a rural Canadian town and have dealt with this many times around my peers. I always have the upper hand in such an argument as people don't really argue with somebody my size and physical appearance. I've heard it all from people starting with idiots thinking homosexuality is a choice to misunderstood ignorant comments about transsexuals. I always put the little fuckers in their place. Nicely and politely and I never ever get physical! :)when you join the ufc i want a front row seat bitch lol

[lisaparadise]

Please don't be offended by the term "straight" I am just using it to illustrate a point.



When you are around other people who are not aware of your affinity for transsexuals, and the topic comes up...how do you handle that?


I've been in situations where people didn't realize that I was transsexuals and they begin to discuss transsexuals. I keep quiet because I am really interested in hearing what people really think. There have been other times where someone has said something that was completely disrespectful to transsexuals and I felt obligated to speak up.


As a trans-attracted man, do you speak-up, remain silent or look for an exit?


YouTube - Dating: Transsexuals VS. Biological Women? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfJBfK9IQlc)
on behalf of my sisters we would all like you guys to say something nice about us when the subject arises its amazing how one voice can change 10 mindes and so on and so on get my drift?

[rockabilly]

It's our duty to educate and inform the ignorant and misinformed.

[www.tglovers.com]

on behalf of my sisters we would all like you guys to say something nice about us when the subject arises its amazing how one voice can change 10 mindes and so on and so on get my drift?
I agree.... Even if a guy doesn't want to "out" himself....there are ways of defending transsexuals and trans-attracted men without having to let people know of your affinity.

[goku]

I agree.... Even if a guy doesn't want to "out" himself....there are ways of defending transsexuals and trans-attracted men without having to let people know of your affinity.


When jokes/conversations arise, I usually say something like, "Shit, if Beyonce(or insert any hot girl example:Megan Fox) had a penis, I would still bend her over in a minute. She still would be fine as hell.", and keep it moving.


That usually draws a few stares, but if said with conviction, you would be surprised how many"he's got a point"s you will get.

[slinky]

Guys: When you're around your "straight" friends & the topic of transsexuals come up?

Most of the time they all look over at me and say "and you shut up". The rest of the time they usually ask when I'm brining some of my TS friends around (like for "show and tell"). Funny thing is most of them think my on-again-off-again-fb is a TS because she goes to the TS events often enough and is a 6' tall WOC.

At least they don't spread rumors that I'm sleeping with one of the promoters that apparently has been going on for a while (fortunately I didn't know about it because i got so fed up with exactly that sort of shit that I stopped going).

But a warning for those of you who think it wouldn't make any difference if your friends, colleagues, etc. thought you were involved in the TS scene, even folks in th Adult biz are so fucking closed minded that they will talk shit about you. if you can deal with that and say "fuck them, it's their problem", good for you. but odds are you will miss out on at least a little GG pussy over it.

[youshouldtrythislol]

I dont tend to be around people who would be flat out rude and derogatory towards transsexuals, or anyone. I never thought there was a reason to be rude towards a group of people just because you don't agree with some things about them.

[CaptainPlanet]

When jokes/conversations arise, I usually say something like, "Shit, if Beyonce(or insert any hot girl example:Megan Fox) had a penis, I would still bend her over in a minute. She still would be fine as hell.", and keep it moving.


That usually draws a few stares, but if said with conviction, you would be surprised how many"he's got a point"s you will get.

Usually hear a convo about TS once a month, and i say the same thing and keep it moving. Some friends agree some don't.

[jedimaster]

If i'm among proven closeminded people of the kind you just cannot have a decent conversation with, then i keep my mouth shut. But as youshouldtrythislol said, I don't really mingle with disrespectful people generally speaking, either.

Still, people will always surprise you. They who you believed were openminded tolerant people might have only harsh things to say about TS and those around them, perhaps the subject of TS is precisely the one they are not tolerant about. Happens with everyone, nobody's perfect.

So just...... whatever you say... or listen..... take it with a pinch of salt, but i do believe it is our duty to enlighten about TS subjects because there's so much ignorance and prejudice still about it. Hopefully this veil is already being slowly lifted, but we got to keep going.

[flabbybody]

It's our duty to educate and inform the ignorant and misinformed.

I've run out of energy trying

[boner]

I usually just make an off-hand comment like I've seen a few that were pretty convincing. I might take a little shit for it but I just shrug my shoulders. I think a lot of straight guys would find themselves attracted to tgirls if they didn't know what was up. Once they found out, some of them might freak but the fact that they found a tranny attractive sticking in their head is a guarantee. Some of them might even end up here!

[bte]

The topic rarely gets bought up around my friends, because they don't think about it. However if they talk about one of my trans-friends then I always put 'em in their place.

[FreddieGomez]

you have the nicest titties

[traumatism]

its rare the topic arises in a bad way with people i know. mainly because they know i am friends with a transgendered gal who is going through the first stages. im also friends with her sister too (gg) and have been for some time.

if people ridicule the liking of transgendered women i just normally respond saying people cant help what attracts them and what doesnt. its built into the persons dna so to speak

[BeardedOne]

I've run out of energy trying

Yah, but we never really give up.

Most of the people I deal with either know of my proclivities or would not be all that surprised on discovery, so it's not really an issue most of the time. Though I am not especially 'out' at work, there are some that I talk to from time to time that either know or have guessed that I am at least bi, if not pansexual. One woman I work with was in the military and was in Thailand for a while. It was only natural that ladyboys came up in conversation from time to time. If she noticed that I spoke of them =TOO= intimately, she never mentioned it.

I recall that one morning banter brought the term 'shemale' to the fore and I said that it was a derogatory term used primarily in the porn industry. One of the guys asked "And how do =YOU= know that?" and I gave him 'the look' and he sat back and said "OH!" and the conversation wound its way to other things.

Yah, there are some people that spew all kinds of negative shit through their lips, and I'll tolerate just so much of it and try to educate them somewhat, but beyond the old dog/new tricks analogy, some of these people are just going to remain old dogs.

Yet some, while understanding to a point, are just being honest to themselves. I spent a lovely weekend with one of our ladies recently wherein we both had a great time. During that time I introduced her to a number of my friends and business associates, all of whom were polite and upbeat. In the days following our social foray, I got some feedback that was all positive, but some was critical as to how well (Or not) my date 'passed'. On reflection, I don't think that's all that different from a friend's comment on how gawdawful your date's choice of evening wear was.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, some people that chatted with us never had a clue as to the gender variant of my date. So, it's all relative.

Being a hermit, I don't have a lot of social interaction outside certain, limited circles. Based on that, I don't find myself in a lot of situations where I'd be in a group that was either uneducated or intolerant of gender variants or alternative lifestyles. If the conversation went down that alley, I'd more than likely trend towards education and tolerance.

Not like anyone's really listening to me, anyway.

[blckhaze]

Im the designated tranny radar
Im starting to think they like it and just want to be aware more so than are against the idea

[speedstick112]

Everyone hates having to educate ignorant people. But sometimes it pays off. I think you can do it with or without disclosing a personal connection to the issue. When people say they don't approve of trans people for some reason, I just say "why do you care about what someone does to their own body/life?". Or whatever follows.

I knew a really dumb, pseudointellectual chick once. She said I should seriously reconsider the surgery because "it hurts a lot." You gotta give up in that kind of situation.

[JoePitt]

[CENTER]Please don't be offended by the term "straight" I am just using it to illustrate a point.

Does anybody really get offended by the term straight?? Really?

When with my friends, I usually don't say much except to jump in with a quick joke or something to keep things moving. Always been a believer in the old saying : It's better to be thought a fool and say nothing than speak and remove all doubt. So when TSs come up, I mainly stick to my usual pattern. I'll say something like Speedstick said if something truly offensive comes up though.

[beatlephil]

I'm pretty sure that every time one of those "Guy or girl" shows is run on Maury Povich or a girl tells her unsuspecting boyfriend that she's a guy on Jerry Springer that it spurs a pretty lively discussion of transsexuals in many homes and bars. I've found myself in quite a few over the years. And it largely comes down to just how passable as a woman is the transsexual in question. The more beautiful and feminine she comes across as the easier it is to defend her. Candis Cayne, Caroline Cossey, Mimi Marks, no argument. But if the male-to-female transsexual looks like a guy in dress and clearly not passable as a woman then it's like talking to brick wall. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is. Physical appearance like in all aspects of life is what people notice first. And if you look like Kimber James instead of a linebacker then a transsexual will find the path to tolerance a little more level. But even for her it will never be completely fair. We still have a very long way to go for that.

[MrsKellyPierce]

Fuck those freaks. I wouldn't look twice lol

[GrimFusion]

I'm pretty sure that every time one of those "Guy or girl" shows is run on Maury Povich or a girl tells her unsuspecting boyfriend that she's a guy on Jerry Springer that it spurs a pretty lively discussion of transsexuals in many homes and bars. I've found myself in quite a few over the years. And it largely comes down to just how passable as a woman is the transsexual in question. The more beautiful and feminine she comes across as the easier it is to defend her. Candis Cayne, Caroline Cossey, Mimi Marks, no argument. But if the male-to-female transsexual looks like a guy in dress and clearly not passable as a woman then it's like talking to brick wall. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is. Physical appearance like in all aspects of life is what people notice first. And if you look like Kimber James instead of a linebacker then a transsexual will find the path to tolerance a little more level. But even for her it will never be completely fair. We still have a very long way to go for that.

Seconded.

[BellaBellucci]

I'm pretty sure that every time one of those "Guy or girl" shows is run on Maury Povich or a girl tells her unsuspecting boyfriend that she's a guy on Jerry Springer that it spurs a pretty lively discussion of transsexuals in many homes and bars. I've found myself in quite a few over the years. And it largely comes down to just how passable as a woman is the transsexual in question. The more beautiful and feminine she comes across as the easier it is to defend her. Candis Cayne, Caroline Cossey, Mimi Marks, no argument. But if the male-to-female transsexual looks like a guy in dress and clearly not passable as a woman then it's like talking to brick wall. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is. Physical appearance like in all aspects of life is what people notice first. And if you look like Kimber James instead of a linebacker then a transsexual will find the path to tolerance a little more level. But even for her it will never be completely fair. We still have a very long way to go for that.

Part of the reason those shows are so evil is precisely because what you say is so true: all they do is reinforce the stereotype that it's up to transwomen to 'pass' instead of telling society to smarten the hell up! And then, even the most beautiful, passable TS on the show (the one that the audience thinks is a 'woman') is still inevitably called a 'man' when it's revealed she was born male.

I still think those shows are so wrong on so many levels. :geek:

~BB~

[GrimFusion]

Part of the reason those shows are so evil is precisely because what you say is so true: all they do is reinforce the stereotype that it's up to transwomen to 'pass' instead of telling society to smarten the hell up! And then, even the most beautiful, passable TS on the show (the one that the audience thinks is a 'woman') is still inevitably called a 'man' when it's revealed she was born male.

I still think those shows are so wrong on so many levels. :geek:

~BB~

While I agree, you can lead a pack of horses to a lake, but you can't make 90% of them drink. It's not that society has this affliction for disliking or being uncomfortable with the idea of transsexualism. It's the same reaction whether a brother is fucking his mother and sister on Maury or some chick is polling four different men for paternity test results and child support on Jerry Springer. You're only speaking to a small fraction of the confusion, bias, hate, and distrust shows bring to anything that can draw shock value from an audience.

Before talk shows, it was freak shows. Before freak shows, they beat "different" people to death or ran them out of villages. While we might all be able to mute public disregard for transsexualism, it'll simply be juxtaposed to some other related subject like gay rights. Wouldn't that be lovely?

[www.tglovers.com]

Part of the reason those shows are so evil is precisely because what you say is so true: all they do is reinforce the stereotype that it's up to transwomen to 'pass' instead of telling society to smarten the hell up! And then, even the most beautiful, passable TS on the show (the one that the audience thinks is a 'woman') is still inevitably called a 'man' when it's revealed she was born male.

I still think those shows are so wrong on so many levels. :geek:

~BB~
They are wrong on every level. It boggles my mind why someone who is a transsexual would do all the work to become a woman and then allow herself to be disrespected for a free trip to Chicago or NYC?

The Jerry springer show contacted me once and had the nerve to offer me round trip airfare, hotel, 250 bucks and all the cigarettes I could smoke. I was so offended! I wrote them a scathing letter black declining their offer and never heard from them again.

If you want to be respected as a woman, why would you go on television and allw people to distinguish you as a man? Makes no sense to me.

[InHouston]

I have found a good way to covertly litmus test people. Email them a non-nude picture of a beautiful and tasteful picture of a shemale. Come across as you stumbled upon it while surfing the web and ask them "Can you believe this is a guy?"

Check out their response. I've gotten surprisingly curious responses from people that I suspected would immediately reply with "Yuck".

[LibertyHarkness]

i am the straightest person out of all my mates :) so i dont have an issue with this :)

[nonnonnon]

I'm even more surprised by the 'bio' girls who go on Maury to get told they look like a man