Trans-girls and relationships.....

[goku]

We all crack jokes, or just come on here to entertain ourselves. So a lot of shit gets sadi for just that, and lost is what we really might feel about this world we plunged into.


A long time ago I saw it as a fetish. I used to hide it, and only looked at pictures or videos online.

Then one day I actually met a Transwoman, and after talking to her at length, I began to see things a little differently.

These days I date both GGs and TS. However, I do find dating TS to be much more difficult and taxing than dating GGs. For every down to earth, low keyed/laid back one, there are 8 more who are extremely dramatic and superficial. There is also the difficulty of getting past the negative view of men. You will find that the girls have a hard time trusting you, and are just waiting for you to do something stupid. Some will keep you at bay emotionally for fear that you would hurt them. They have had countless "chasers" leave them for the next best thing, and are not willing to open up emotionally.

After you get past that, you still have personality and sexual differences to deal with. Being able to get along on a daily basis is key. Also, some girls just wanna bend a dude over, and if you are a "top", then the relationship is over before it starts.....lol

And finally, there is the constant changing of a girl. The girl you met, might not be the same girl a year or two down the road, depending on where she was in her transition.

All in all it's a difficult world to navigate. There are a lot of hoops to navigate, and your patience level has to be high. You also have to have a bit of understanding as to what she is trying to do, and where she is trying to go. Before you jump into this world, realize what you are getting yourself into. If it's not for you, just keep it moving!

[Willie Escalade]

You've taken the words right out of my mouth...I can speak from experience, my friend!

[BLKGSXR]

You've taken the words right out of my mouth...I can speak from experience, my friend!
dont think about it have a good day at work fucker,

[Willie Escalade]

dont think about it have a good day at work fucker,
I'm thinking about the brunette, not the blond.

And my workday is off to a bad start...

[BLKGSXR]

I'm thinking about the brunette, not the blond.

And my workday is off to a bad start...
her hair is actually black hence why I call her a panda oh wait youre talking about the other one huh you sick fucker you lmfao!

[BellaBellucci]

This is a very brave and probably a little too accurate post. Very well articulated. It's hard to disagree with the logic, but suffice it to say, sometimes you just have to follow your heart instead and stick to the 1 out of the 9 as best you can. It's a difficult sea to navigate, sure, but it's not impossible if you know where the lighthouses are so to speak.

~BB~

[rockabilly]

Navigating is easy if you use G.P.S. .

[DarylWashington]

I love the drama that comes with dealing with trans women!

[JackBeLittle]

Thoughtful and well put.

Thank you.

[BellaBellucci]

Navigating is easy if you use G.P.S. .

Don't you mean T.P.S.? Is that like 'gaydar?'


I love the drama that comes with dealing with trans women!

Really? No shit? :roll:

~BB~

[fred41]

It's a lot of things...but it's never, ever boring.

[rockabilly]

Giant
Penis
Size

lol

It means be a Gentleman
have Patience
and be Strong/Supportive

[DarylWashington]

Relationships = Bareback Sex = Good Times!

[NatashaLover]

We all crack jokes, or just come on here to entertain ourselves. So a lot of shit gets sadi for just that, and lost is what we really might feel about this world we plunged into.


A long time ago I saw it as a fetish. I used to hide it, and only looked at pictures or videos online.

Then one day I actually met a Transwoman, and after talking to her at length, I began to see things a little differently.

These days I date both GGs and TS. However, I do find dating TS to be much more difficult and taxing than dating GGs. For every down to earth, low keyed/laid back one, there are 8 more who are extremely dramatic and superficial. There is also the difficulty of getting past the negative view of men. You will find that the girls have a hard time trusting you, and are just waiting for you to do something stupid. Some will keep you at bay emotionally for fear that you would hurt them. They have had countless "chasers" leave them for the next best thing, and are not willing to open up emotionally.

After you get past that, you still have personality and sexual differences to deal with. Being able to get along on a daily basis is key. Also, some girls just wanna bend a dude over, and if you are a "top", then the relationship is over before it starts.....lol

And finally, there is the constant changing of a girl. The girl you met, might not be the same girl a year or two down the road, depending on where she was in her transition.

All in all it's a difficult world to navigate. There are a lot of hoops to navigate, and your patience level has to be high. You also have to have a bit of understanding as to what she is trying to do, and where she is trying to go. Before you jump into this world, realize what you are getting yourself into. If it's not for you, just keep it moving!


I have to agree completely with your thread message. And I mean completely. When I was a stupid boy I tried and tried to have a real relationship with different ts and never worked. I always looked at ts as a special kind of girls which I wanted to have a serious gf but none and I mean none wanted this, they were all for the money, sex, and so so except one special girl that I will never forget called "L" from Puerto Rico. Don't want to release her identity. I have always been attracted to ts and will always do but to find one with no dramas, BS, loyal, average looking, looking for LTR is almost imposible. I am not against any TS and I want to make that clear, I totally understand each and everyone of us, I know all the shit we go thru to be were we are, and its not easy. I think we are treated like meat and thats completely wrong but I think we also have to work hard to change guys minds about the way they see us.
Peace :yingyang:

[lisaparadise]

I have to agree completely with your thread message. And I mean completely. When I was a stupid boy I tried and tried to have a real relationship with different ts and never worked. I always looked at ts as a special kind of girls which I wanted to have a serious gf but none and I mean none wanted this, they were all for the money, sex, and so so except one special girl that I will never forget called "L" from Puerto Rico. Don't want to release her identity. I have always been attracted to ts and will always do but to find one with no dramas, BS, loyal, average looking, looking for LTR is almost imposible. I am not against any TS and I want to make that clear, I totally understand each and everyone of us, I know all the shit we go thru to be were we are, and its not easy. I think we are treated like meat and thats completely wrong but I think we also have to work hard to change guys minds about the way they see us.
Peace :yingyang:great post and great insite

[lisaparadise]

We all crack jokes, or just come on here to entertain ourselves. So a lot of shit gets sadi for just that, and lost is what we really might feel about this world we plunged into.


A long time ago I saw it as a fetish. I used to hide it, and only looked at pictures or videos online.

Then one day I actually met a Transwoman, and after talking to her at length, I began to see things a little differently.

These days I date both GGs and TS. However, I do find dating TS to be much more difficult and taxing than dating GGs. For every down to earth, low keyed/laid back one, there are 8 more who are extremely dramatic and superficial. There is also the difficulty of getting past the negative view of men. You will find that the girls have a hard time trusting you, and are just waiting for you to do something stupid. Some will keep you at bay emotionally for fear that you would hurt them. They have had countless "chasers" leave them for the next best thing, and are not willing to open up emotionally.

After you get past that, you still have personality and sexual differences to deal with. Being able to get along on a daily basis is key. Also, some girls just wanna bend a dude over, and if you are a "top", then the relationship is over before it starts.....lol

And finally, there is the constant changing of a girl. The girl you met, might not be the same girl a year or two down the road, depending on where she was in her transition.

All in all it's a difficult world to navigate. There are a lot of hoops to navigate, and your patience level has to be high. You also have to have a bit of understanding as to what she is trying to do, and where she is trying to go. Before you jump into this world, realize what you are getting yourself into. If it's not for you, just keep it moving!i really really like you and i hope one day you will find the one you deserve it.

[melbourne1]

Awesome post! I love this place, some great posts like the opening one, hot women and characters like Daryl (no homo)!

[DL_NL]

Hmmm, I must've had it easy. Two TG relationships and very little drama. They were excellent relationships though, with lots of mutual understanding.

[BellaBellucci]

Hmmm, I must've had it easy. Two TG relationships and very little drama. They were excellent relationships though, with lots of mutual understanding.

Lookin' for a date? ;)

~BB~

[ed_jaxon]

Relationships are cool but hard. Being happy and content without a relationship is highly under rated. I like being me right now which comes with a certain level contentment that would have to change in a relationship.

[LibertyHarkness]

i just want to be loved and have my passion for warhammer 40k gaming accepted :)

Alas tis hard :)

[sdman]

I have to agree completely with your thread message. And I mean completely. When I was a stupid boy I tried and tried to have a real relationship with different ts and never worked. I always looked at ts as a special kind of girls which I wanted to have a serious gf but none and I mean none wanted this, they were all for the money, sex, and so so except one special girl that I will never forget called "L" from Puerto Rico. Don't want to release her identity. I have always been attracted to ts and will always do but to find one with no dramas, BS, loyal, average looking, looking for LTR is almost imposible. I am not against any TS and I want to make that clear, I totally understand each and everyone of us, I know all the shit we go thru to be were we are, and its not easy. I think we are treated like meat and thats completely wrong but I think we also have to work hard to change guys minds about the way they see us.
Peace :yingyang:


It would be nice if youd let me put some meat in your ass!

[NatashaLover]

It would be nice if youd let me put some meat in your ass!


Are you a TS? not? then take a number and wait in Line! LOL :):):)

[goku]

I have to agree completely with your thread message. And I mean completely. When I was a stupid boy I tried and tried to have a real relationship with different ts and never worked. I always looked at ts as a special kind of girls which I wanted to have a serious gf but none and I mean none wanted this, they were all for the money, sex, and so so except one special girl that I will never forget called "L" from Puerto Rico. Don't want to release her identity. I have always been attracted to ts and will always do but to find one with no dramas, BS, loyal, average looking, looking for LTR is almost imposible. I am not against any TS and I want to make that clear, I totally understand each and everyone of us, I know all the shit we go thru to be were we are, and its not easy. I think we are treated like meat and thats completely wrong but I think we also have to work hard to change guys minds about the way they see us.
Peace :yingyang:


It's a tough world as you well know Natasha.


I can see why some guys end up like Daryl. You come in determined to be respectful and committed, only to find girls who are only interested in your pockets, or getting some quick dick. LOL

The crazy part is the older girls are schooling the younger ones in the "ways" too, so almost everyone is doing it. That's how you get young girls, like a few on here, talking the way they do about men. Meanwhile, they really have no experience with it, they are just taking on the persona of their teacher.

It takes a lot of mental fortitude to navigate these waters.

[goku]

i just want to be loved and have my passion for warhammer 40k gaming accepted :)

Alas tis hard :)



Hahahaha!!! You are such a nerd Liberty!

[JoePitt]

i just want to be loved and have my passion for warhammer 40k gaming accepted :)

Alas tis hard :)

Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim darkness of the far future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

Sounds kinda like HA.

So what armies are you playing Libby?

[Helvis2012]

Well said.

[SunshyneMonroe]

thank god she broke up with u ur a loser...

[goku]

thank god she broke up with u ur a loser...


enter the messy one on cue!

This post has nothing to do what that, as that girl is not your typical TS. She has no TS friends, and is fully passable, so she doesn't fall under anything I said in the OP.

[ed_jaxon]

damn,

I got number 3,478. Anyone wanna let me cut in line?



Are you a TS? not? then take a number and wait in Line! LOL :):):)

[www.tglovers.com]

We all crack jokes, or just come on here to entertain ourselves. So a lot of shit gets sadi for just that, and lost is what we really might feel about this world we plunged into.


A long time ago I saw it as a fetish. I used to hide it, and only looked at pictures or videos online.

Then one day I actually met a Transwoman, and after talking to her at length, I began to see things a little differently.

These days I date both GGs and TS. However, I do find dating TS to be much more difficult and taxing than dating GGs. For every down to earth, low keyed/laid back one, there are 8 more who are extremely dramatic and superficial. There is also the difficulty of getting past the negative view of men. You will find that the girls have a hard time trusting you, and are just waiting for you to do something stupid. Some will keep you at bay emotionally for fear that you would hurt them. They have had countless "chasers" leave them for the next best thing, and are not willing to open up emotionally.

After you get past that, you still have personality and sexual differences to deal with. Being able to get along on a daily basis is key. Also, some girls just wanna bend a dude over, and if you are a "top", then the relationship is over before it starts.....lol

And finally, there is the constant changing of a girl. The girl you met, might not be the same girl a year or two down the road, depending on where she was in her transition.

All in all it's a difficult world to navigate. There are a lot of hoops to navigate, and your patience level has to be high. You also have to have a bit of understanding as to what she is trying to do, and where she is trying to go. Before you jump into this world, realize what you are getting yourself into. If it's not for you, just keep it moving!

Speaking as a transsexual woman....the challenges are just as great from a reverse perspective. Trying to find a man who sees you as a person and not as an object is next to impossible, as a transsexual woman. Men say they want a relationship on one hand and then three seconds later they are asking "How big are you" ?

Transsexuals are conditioned to be tough. I don't think a lot of guys really appreciate the daily struggles of what it is to live your life as a transsexual and be judged at every turn. So of course some transsexuals have a chip on their shoulders but it can be softened.

Many men are 1st introduced to transsexuals via porn and I believe it colors they way they interact with transsexuals. Many think we're all promiscuous sluts who are put on earth for their sexual entertainment. If you are lucky enough to find a guy who is able to see past the physical....you have to contend with the fact that most men are no open about their affinity for transsexual women, which creates another set of hurdles.

We have to find the balance between allowing a man the time to come to terms with his sexuality on his own timetable but at the same time manage to now allow ourselves to feel like his dirty little secret.


There's a lot of work to be done on both ends.

[nonnonnon]

In my defense, I learned of it from that terrible mtv show 'the real world'

[BeardedOne]

Speaking as a transsexual woman....the challenges are just as great from a reverse perspective. Trying to find a man who sees you as a person and not as an object is next to impossible, as a transsexual woman. Men say they want a relationship on one hand and then three seconds later they are asking "How big are you" ?

Transsexuals are conditioned to be tough. I don't think a lot of guys really appreciate the daily struggles of what it is to live your life as a transsexual and be judged at every turn. So of course some transsexuals have a chip on their shoulders but it can be softened.

Many men are 1st introduced to transsexuals via porn and I believe it colors they way they interact with transsexuals. Many think we're all promiscuous sluts who are put on earth for their sexual entertainment. If you are lucky enough to find a guy who is able to see past the physical....you have to contend with the fact that most men are no open about their affinity for transsexual women, which creates another set of hurdles.

We have to find the balance between allowing a man the time to come to terms with his sexuality on his own timetable but at the same time manage to now allow ourselves to feel like his dirty little secret.


There's a lot of work to be done on both ends.



I read through the other posts, but this is the one that triggered a response.

Speaking for myself:

Though I understand the fetish-object twist of any (Dare I say: All?) relationship that a man has with a TS (And, not to limit this conversation: A woman may have with a F2M TS), I have to admit, from my own point of view, that the fetish is pretty much inescapable. It's akin to a breast fetish or whether or not a woman has red or blonde hair, is tall or petite. If the man is more secure in his own sexuality, without fear of being labeled, then the fetish blossoms into a clear attraction for a particular type of mate, in this case, transgendered people.

If a man meets you for dinner and a show, on a social, rather than commercial basis (Not an escort situation), and winds up that nice evening with some variant as "How big are you?", then the entire date devolves into a random fuckfest no more valuable than some guy walking up to a strange woman at a bar and asking "Hey, wanna fuck?". That's not a relationship, it's an encounter.

As to the daily struggles of a TS, we can certainly sympathize/empathize and try to show our support, as best we can, but the likelihood that we may 'understand' is pretty slim. I'm thinking of a comedy film, some years ago, where the guy used tanning lotion to change his skin color to score a minority scholarship. When he was caught out, a professor asks him how it feels to be black (After the student experiences a number of racial slurs, discrimination, etc.) and the student answers [Paraphrased]: "I have no idea how it feels to be black. At any time, I knew that I could get out of it.".

True, though I have met a fair number of trans-people in the real world, most that I interact with on a regular basis are involved in the sex industry in some form or another. In my situation, I don't judge or condemn them for what I see as just a job. Yah, it's tough, but I try to keep a level head on the circumstances.

To '...another set of hurdles...'. Yah, that's a tough one. Though it is societal in nature it is entirely subject to the strength and character of the individual. I like to think that I've gotten past that sort of bullshit as far as how I interact with the partners I've known in recent years, but it is subjective and I'm not the one to judge upon how well (Or not) I am doing.

I spent a delightful weekend with one girl recently wherein I introduced her to dozens upon dozens of friends and associates over the course of two days. I think she suffered a bit of overload from the experience and I'm not sure if it was just from the sheer number of people that we encountered or the fact that I had no issue introducing her or in how they might think/react to our friendship. My primary concerns for the weekend were that she had a good time, got enough sleep, and got home safely. How big she was truly wasn't much of an issue.

I've long ago gotten past how I view my own sexuality and, I think, I have tamed the 'dirty little secret' demon to some extent (Perhaps far more than others).

My history is pretty well known on these forums, and being the penultimate pessimist, I don't see my overall point of view, as regards interpersonal relationships, changing anytime between now and death. Yet, hope springs eternal, as it were, and life often hands us reprieves from our innermost gallows'.

Mayhaps I'll get that reprieve some day and it may be at the behest of one of our special ladies. Only time, and their own head, hand, and heart will tell.

[amberskyi]

It's a tough world as you well know Natasha.


I can see why some guys end up like Daryl. You come in determined to be respectful and committed, only to find girls who are only interested in your pockets, or getting some quick dick. LOL

The crazy part is the older girls are schooling the younger ones in the "ways" too, so almost everyone is doing it. That's how you get young girls, like a few on here, talking the way they do about men. Meanwhile, they really have no experience with it, they are just taking on the persona of their teacher.

It takes a lot of mental fortitude to navigate these waters.

do you really think that the girls on this forum have little experience with men?
most of us have been dealing with guys our whole lives and the attention just increased as we transitioned.
im young but because of being trans and being an escort i have come in contact with alot of men.because of the nature of my work im exposed to the worst in men on a daily bases.luckily i havent been made completely bitter by it.
between the guys i meet as an escort and just the general disappointments that one goes through in life it a bit of a struggle to not just give up,write men off all together.luckily i had one good man in my life who has given me hope for the future.

[goku]

do you really think that the girls on this forum have little experience with men?
most of us have been dealing with guys our whole lives and the attention just increased as we transitioned.
im young but because of being trans and being an escort i have come in contact with alot of men.because of the nature of my work im exposed to the worst in men on a daily bases.luckily i havent been made completely bitter by it.
between the guys i meet as an escort and just the general disappointments that one goes through in life it a bit of a struggle to not just give up,write men off all together.luckily i had one good man in my life who has given me hope for the future.


by "younger", I mean 19-20.


and by experience, I mean relationship experience.


Some of these girls are talking that way before they even have had a couple boyfriends in life. There is no way at the age of 20 anyone has a solid grasp on relationships. No one is really that serious about them at that age, so to form your opinion about men by then, is a little ridiculous.

I agree with you about meeting the worst kind of men with your line of work, and that's exactly what I thinking is ruining these girls idea of relationships before they have even given it a chance. They look at all men as tricks, simply because they have never really not. You said you have had a decent relationship to keep you balanced, well imagine if you hadn't, and you got what I see quit frequently.

I am not your regular dude Amber. I am out in the community. The TS girls I know, are on my facebook. I take girls out to eat, and to the movies. I treat ts girls the same as I do ggs.

[LibertyHarkness]

someone has been naughty it seems :(

[JoePitt]

how many times did you fuck Tina before you fucked me. take a bow you really had me going.

Well unless he told you he was a virgin before he met you, I fail to see how that is in any way relevant.

[lisaparadise]

Well unless he told you he was a virgin before he met you, I fail to see how that is in any way relevant.kids lol

[Jericho]

As to the daily struggles of a TS, we can certainly sympathize/empathize and try to show our support, as best we can, but the likelihood that we may 'understand' is pretty slim. I'm thinking of a comedy film, some years ago, where the guy used tanning lotion to change his skin color to score a minority scholarship. When he was caught out, a professor asks him how it feels to be black (After the student experiences a number of racial slurs, discrimination, etc.) and the student answers [Paraphrased]: "I have no idea how it feels to be black. At any time, I knew that I could get out of it.".

Soul Man, excellent film.
James Earl Jones played the professor.

[phobun]

how many times did you fuck Tina before you fucked me. take a bow you really had me going.


She can make a broader point from this. Chasers will promote themselves as interested in the girl and with little or no history of cockbanditry, when in reality, all the chaser cares about is scoring his next penis, which the chaser calls a girl.

[steeveX]

She can make a broader point from this. Chasers will promote themselves as interested in the girl and with little or no history of cockbanditry, when in reality, all the chaser cares about is scoring his next penis, which the chaser calls a girl.

while phobun just cares about the cut up, inverted penis, since he is an inverted cockhound :party: This old, frustrated fetishist with nearly 3000 posts in 2 years is too funny

[rockabilly]

Soul Man, excellent film.
James Earl Jones played the professor.

"I don't see black or white , only shades of gray."

then later that girl hooks up w/ a native american and says ...

"I don't see red or white , only shades of pink."

Funny movie though.

[goku]

how many times did you fuck Tina before you fucked me. take a bow you really had me going.


Who the hell is Tina?



LOL. You have really gone off the deep end, fo real(in my best Antoine Dodson voice)!

I made this thread about relationships in general. It really has nothing to do with you.

[goku]

someone has been naughty it seems :(

No one has been naughty at all.

[drock]

how many times did you fuck Tina before you fucked me. take a bow you really had me going.


LMBAO... wow, just putting it all out there.. And I think he was looking for an atta boy

[goku]

She can make a broader point from this. Chasers will promote themselves as interested in the girl and with little or no history of cockbanditry, when in reality, all the chaser cares about is scoring his next penis, which the chaser calls a girl.


This is where you are absolutely wrong Phobun. You general stupid ass assumptions have gone overboard on this one.


You wanna know why Bridget is mad at me? She is mad because I told her that she was wrong for insulting Lisa, a woman who is 50 years old, and more than twice her age.

She is not mad because I was out "being a chaser", or so you call it.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=50962&page=6


We got into an argument over that, and now she is being childish about it. Don't assume everything Phobun. There are some of us that are good people.

[goku]

LMBAO... wow, just putting it all out there.. And I think he was looking for an atta boy


She is just doing her best Sunshyne impression, and trying to slander me. She is still mad that we had that disagreement, and is being childish about it.

[lisaparadise]

This is where you are absolutely wrong Phobun. You general stupid ass assumptions have gone overboard on this one.


You wanna know why Bridget is mad at me? She is mad because I told her that she was wrong for insulting Lisa, a woman who is 50 years old, and more than twice her age.

She is not mad because I was out "being a chaser", or so you call it.

http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?t=50962&page=6


We got into an argument over that, and now she is being childish about it. Don't assume everything Phobun. There are some of us that are good people.wtf im just turnes 47 how do you get 50?i no i haVENT BEEN IN A COMA FOR 3 YEARS LOL I JUST CHECKED MY CELLPHONE ITS STILL 2010

[goku]

wtf im just turnes 47 how do you get 50?i no i haVENT BEEN IN A COMA FOR 3 YEARS LOL I JUST CHECKED MY CELLPHONE ITS STILL 2010



lol


no disrespect, just rounded up is all. I forgot you can't do that with the ladies.

[lisaparadise]

how many times did you fuck tina before you fucked me. Take a bow you really had me going.i sent her an email around 6 am saying i was sorry for the whole chat thing and if i knew you guys were close i would have never went into chat to talk with goku in the first place.i knew she was angry with goku cause he said i have an amazing shape for my age and she got alittle pissy thats how it started again im sorry to both of you.

[lisaparadise]

lol


no disrespect, just rounded up is all. I forgot you can't do that with the ladies.we count by 5s so now im 45 lol sweeet

[DarylWashington]

Who the hell is Tina?



LOL. You have really gone off the deep end, fo real(in my best Antoine Dodson voice)!

I made this thread about relationships in general. It really has nothing to do with you.

I now have respect for Goku lol, he's like me but plays like he isn't a playa, smart.

[FreddieGomez]

goku you're the one wantin to date these younger chicks so you really cant complain....

[goku]

goku you're the one wantin to date these younger chicks so you really cant complain....


Freddie, that's the majority I am talking about in the Op. I know enough of them to have a good basis. You noticed none of the girls are really disagreeing huh?

[mikey_stl]

I no longer go to escorts, although I did enjoy a few during a period in my life. I'd luv to have a relationship with a t-girl. I don't really care about the size of her cock, as long as it's not a micropenis -- and I'd never ask. However, I do care whether or not she's willing to top and she's a non-op. I'm not a total bottom, but it would be nice to have a girl who was at least versatile. I've had a couple of dates with t-girls, but nothing beyond that. I once corresponded on Craigslist with a girl -- and talked to her on the phone. She seemed to me like a perfect match, but when it came down to meeting, she wouldn't do it. I continue searching though. Unfortunately, there's so much that needs to come together, even for relationship with a GG, that finding the right TG seems nearly impossible at times.

[blckhaze]

Dating trans women is taxing indeed.



Similar story goku, as im sure most of us have. You come into this kinda like right after puberty when u notice all the girls you thought gross (not gonna use those kiddy slang words) are actually hot.

As far as the negative view of men, a lot's justified, but a good chunk is the over-exaggeration of mind, or more noticeable here-say from girls they look up to. Im not gonna delve too deep into the psychology, but its a vicious cycle of:
Young girl seeks any type of acceptance as a woman
Settles for just that; ANY acceptance
Finds the world to be crueler than even previous experiences held
To survive mentally they guard themselves and force their shields up
Once they reach early to mid 30s, they have younger peers and teach them the same hard lessons with a tablespoon of jadedness

And its not just the ladies who do escort/porn that have these issues exclusively or even the majority of them. Girls I know who've never gone that route probably are more jaded to men because they feel that they arent part of the fetish or its industry and that no man can look past that. The stage that this community is in is the Fad/taboo stage. Parallel this to the black community, we're in the late 40s/early 50s, where things are semi evening out, but its not equal footing socially.

Blame goes to both the women for their choses in men alot of the times, but we as the men have to step up our shit alot, especially when it comes to standing by our persons of affection when the chips arent even 50% in our court. As a man who's serious about dating a transwoman, the serenity prayer comes in handy in so many ways. You need the courage to do what you feel is what you want, mentaly serenity to accept not every girl is gonna like you or be compatible both personality wise and sexually, and the wisdom to pick your battles and the patience to stick with it.


small ps than im done
Often times we forget ts are human beings, and kinda put them on this kinda alien plateau. I think thats the main hurdle most had to cross to even understand let alone date transwomen.

[BeardedOne]

*Snip*

Whoa, Haze, just whoa.

I just posted a rant on another forum with just this flavor.

Get out of my head, damn you!

[drock]

She is just doing her best Sunshyne impression, and trying to slander me. She is still mad that we had that disagreement, and is being childish about it.

hahaha.. She sounds like a scorned woman..

[Odelay]

She is just doing her best Sunshyne impression, and trying to slander me. She is still mad that we had that disagreement, and is being childish about it.

Doing Sunshyne impressions doesn't seem to be a great way to go. lol

[dderek123]

very nice op. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[amberskyi]

Dating trans women is taxing indeed.



Similar story goku, as im sure most of us have. You come into this kinda like right after puberty when u notice all the girls you thought gross (not gonna use those kiddy slang words) are actually hot.

As far as the negative view of men, a lot's justified, but a good chunk is the over-exaggeration of mind, or more noticeable here-say from girls they look up to. Im not gonna delve too deep into the psychology, but its a vicious cycle of:
Young girl seeks any type of acceptance as a woman
Settles for just that; ANY acceptance
Finds the world to be crueler than even previous experiences held
To survive mentally they guard themselves and force their shields up
Once they reach early to mid 30s, they have younger peers and teach them the same hard lessons with a tablespoon of jadedness

And its not just the ladies who do escort/porn that have these issues exclusively or even the majority of them. Girls I know who've never gone that route probably are more jaded to men because they feel that they arent part of the fetish or its industry and that no man can look past that. The stage that this community is in is the Fad/taboo stage. Parallel this to the black community, we're in the late 40s/early 50s, where things are semi evening out, but its not equal footing socially.

Blame goes to both the women for their choses in men alot of the times, but we as the men have to step up our shit alot, especially when it comes to standing by our persons of affection when the chips arent even 50% in our court. As a man who's serious about dating a transwoman, the serenity prayer comes in handy in so many ways. You need the courage to do what you feel is what you want, mentaly serenity to accept not every girl is gonna like you or be compatible both personality wise and sexually, and the wisdom to pick your battles and the patience to stick with it.


small ps than im done
Often times we forget ts are human beings, and kinda put them on this kinda alien plateau. I think thats the main hurdle most had to cross to even understand let alone date transwomen.

amazingly said sir!:Bowdown:

[BLKGSXR]

Dating trans women is taxing indeed.



Similar story goku, as im sure most of us have. You come into this kinda like right after puberty when u notice all the girls you thought gross (not gonna use those kiddy slang words) are actually hot.

As far as the negative view of men, a lot's justified, but a good chunk is the over-exaggeration of mind, or more noticeable here-say from girls they look up to. Im not gonna delve too deep into the psychology, but its a vicious cycle of:
Young girl seeks any type of acceptance as a woman
Settles for just that; ANY acceptance
Finds the world to be crueler than even previous experiences held
To survive mentally they guard themselves and force their shields up
Once they reach early to mid 30s, they have younger peers and teach them the same hard lessons with a tablespoon of jadedness

And its not just the ladies who do escort/porn that have these issues exclusively or even the majority of them. Girls I know who've never gone that route probably are more jaded to men because they feel that they arent part of the fetish or its industry and that no man can look past that. The stage that this community is in is the Fad/taboo stage. Parallel this to the black community, we're in the late 40s/early 50s, where things are semi evening out, but its not equal footing socially.

Blame goes to both the women for their choses in men alot of the times, but we as the men have to step up our shit alot, especially when it comes to standing by our persons of affection when the chips arent even 50% in our court. As a man who's serious about dating a transwoman, the serenity prayer comes in handy in so many ways. You need the courage to do what you feel is what you want, mentaly serenity to accept not every girl is gonna like you or be compatible both personality wise and sexually, and the wisdom to pick your battles and the patience to stick with it.


small ps than im done
Often times we forget ts are human beings, and kinda put them on this kinda alien plateau. I think thats the main hurdle most had to cross to even understand let alone date transwomen.No wonder you were bugging me to write this for you last night I mean whoops hez gotz the bruans to do itx.. Lol jk :fu:

[BellaBellucci]

No wonder you were bugging me to write this for you last night I mean whoops hez gotz the bruans to do itx.. Lol jk :fu:

What would you know about it, Casanova? :lol:

~BB~

[drock]

Are you a TS? not? then take a number and wait in Line! LOL :):):)

I want to cut to the front of the line.. :fuckin:

[BeardedOne]

Chasers will promote themselves as interested in the girl and with little or no history of cockbanditry, when in reality, all the chaser cares about is scoring his next penis, which the chaser calls a girl.

Cold and cruel, but too often true.

I've always been honest with my partners about my emotional involvement (Often too deep: TW once said that my greatest weakness was that I kept my heart in my dick) and my sexual desires. What they actually hear or, more accurately, listen to is entirely up to them.

That's a pretty hard job for trans-people, determining whether or not someone is sincere in their wanting to know =YOU= and not just your genitals. I s'pose that the same goes in any relationship, no matter the gender variant, but it can be especially difficult when said variant crosses not just basic attraction bounds (Gay/straight) but the physical realms as well (Active/passive/top/bottom, etc.).

[sdman]

Are you a TS? not? then take a number and wait in Line! LOL :):):)


If I was a TS would you give it to me? LOL

[NatashaLover]

I want to cut to the front of the line.. :fuckin:

I dont know if "sdman" is going to let you cut in line to :fuckin: me! LOL

[NatashaLover]

If I was a TS would you give it to me? LOL

Pretty much, but you have to let me tied you up first and submit to me. Plus are you ready to take it all in? LOL

[MrF]

Great Op and thread. I'm sure I don't have as much experience as Goku, but I agree with a lot of what he says.

I've been mostly disappointed with TGirls for relationship material, and sadly admit that some have found me disappointing too. It takes a lot of understanding, patience and even courage to make things work, which were qualities I didn't always have.

If you do find someone you really like and can relate to, realize how rare and precious it is; hang on to her, value her friendship, and try to learn from her. That would be my advice.

[drock]

I dont know if "sdman" is going to let you cut in line to :fuckin: me! LOL

hahahaha.. damn you sure are sexy gotta try to get ahead of the competition.. :dancing:

[goku]

Great Op and thread. I'm sure I don't have as much experience as Goku, but I agree with a lot of what he says.

I've been mostly disappointed with TGirls for relationship material, and sadly admit that some have found me disappointing too. It takes a lot of understanding, patience and even courage to make things work, which were qualities I didn't always have.

If you do find someone you really like and can relate to, realize how rare and precious it is; hang on to her, value her friendship, and try to learn from her. That would be my advice.


The catch 22 is that in order to find Transwomen, you must either look online, or go where they go. This leads to being called a Tranny chaser.


I find it to be best to just hang out without making advances. Let people see what you are about. Once you have established yourself, and people can see what you are about, you will find more doors opening for you. Now, this doesn't mean it will be easy. You still have to deal with all the trust issues and such, but it's nec to get your foot in the door.


I do not try to fuck everyone. When I roll in the spot, I say my hellos, and keep it moving. The girls are used to seeing me, and know that I come in peace. If you are a decent looking dude, this can be hard to do, as girls will hit on you. However, don't just jump on the first girl that hits on you. Think past the nut. How will you feel about her after you have sex? If the answer is "I won't wanna talk to her", then keep it moving. Jumping from girl to girl is the quickest way to end up a "Daryl Washington", as they say around here(Yes, Austin has picked up on the Dallas saying too).

[fred41]

The catch 22 is that in order to find Transwomen, you must either look online, or go where they go. This leads to being called a Tranny chaser.


I find it to be best to just hang out without making advances. Let people see what you are about. Once you have established yourself, and people can see what you are about, you will find more doors opening for you. Now, this doesn't mean it will be easy. You still have to deal with all the trust issues and such, but it's nec to get your foot in the door.


I do not try to fuck everyone. When I roll in the spot, I say my hellos, and keep it moving. The girls are used to seeing me, and know that I come in peace. If you are a decent looking dude, this can be hard to do, as girls will hit on you. However, don't just jump on the first girl that hits on you. Think past the nut. How will you feel about her after you have sex? If the answer is "I won't wanna talk to her", then keep it moving. Jumping from girl to girl is the quickest way to end up a "Daryl Washington", as they say around here(Yes, Austin has picked up on the Dallas saying too).

Dude..if within this past year you slept with more than two TS....you are a Chaser...live with it...lol.

[CR0NUS]

It's a tough world as you well know Natasha.


I can see why some guys end up like Daryl. You come in determined to be respectful and committed, only to find girls who are only interested in your pockets, or getting some quick dick. LOL

The crazy part is the older girls are schooling the younger ones in the "ways" too, so almost everyone is doing it. That's how you get young girls, like a few on here, talking the way they do about men. Meanwhile, they really have no experience with it, they are just taking on the persona of their teacher.

It takes a lot of mental fortitude to navigate these waters.

Exactly, so they are automatically shutting the door to a real man that might actually love and accept them for who they are. Who knows, that man might actually have a good job and be able to take on the majority of the finances as long she is working a legit job and paying her personal bills. Not cheating on him for a living and saying it is ok because there are no emotions with clients and whatever else non-sense. So since the older girls put it in their head that everyone is bad they go down the usual path. I guess it is partly boths fault, the men that are interest in them up seeing them as sex objects because that is how most are and how most behave. And the girls close the doors to guys because they get used so often and when a good guy does come along it is just too complicated to open that door.

[goku]

Dude..if within this past year you slept with more than two TS....you are a Chaser...live with it...lol.


lol, I don't mess with TS as much as you think......obviously.

[blckhaze]

The catch 22 is that in order to find Transwomen, you must either look online, or go where they go. This leads to being called a Tranny chaser.


I find it to be best to just hang out without making advances. Let people see what you are about. Once you have established yourself, and people can see what you are about, you will find more doors opening for you. Now, this doesn't mean it will be easy. You still have to deal with all the trust issues and such, but it's nec to get your foot in the door.


I do not try to fuck everyone. When I roll in the spot, I say my hellos, and keep it moving. The girls are used to seeing me, and know that I come in peace. If you are a decent looking dude, this can be hard to do, as girls will hit on you. However, don't just jump on the first girl that hits on you. Think past the nut. How will you feel about her after you have sex? If the answer is "I won't wanna talk to her", then keep it moving. Jumping from girl to girl is the quickest way to end up a "Daryl Washington", as they say around here(Yes, Austin has picked up on the Dallas saying too).


Cosign this as well
The best approach if youre genuine, go simply to be friends. Do day time things.
Best way to not get labelled a chaser, have a character witness.

[fred41]

lol, I don't mess with TS as much as you think......obviously.

Just picked that number arbitrarily...lol..


...but we will always be considered Chasers...if you're a regular on this site...if you're a regular at gay bars where the girls hang...if you know more than three girls by name (i made that one up too)....it's just the way it is...

...the girls with good heads on their shoulders sometimes call guys like us that too...but it's not in a mean spirited way...they understand the differences.
...but you do sometimes have to prove yourself a bit more...nothing wrong with that.

and to the guys that want to make a good relationship with a TS last...take her away from the "community" as often as possible...the "community" can become poison to a relationship...not always...but often.

[dderek123]

Dude..if within this past year you slept with more than two TS....you are a Chaser...live with it...lol.

Two is all it takes???

[fred41]

Two is all it takes???


Yup,...it's in the bible.

[peggygee]

Have read through the thread, alot of good points have been made, and
the basic premise was well articulated.

But, I can't say that it is %100 accurate, and may be dependent on
where you seek your mate at.

If you tend to meet in pay for play encounters, gay and tranny bars, porn
forums, etc., then there may be one set of results. If you meet in
different venues, under different circumstances, then there may be a
different set of results.

Bottom line, I personally don't identify myself as a jaded, hard-hearted
female with a victim complex, and would not tell younger women to vilify
men.

But then again maybe because I am older, have done alot of work on
myself, but never thought I was an

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l2/magi43/enigma.jpg

:2cent

[AmberTS]

Its sad to hear when anyone is put off dating by pre-conceptions. For every bad person there is one good out there - you just have to stay true to yourself and never give up.

[mbf]

Its sad to hear when anyone is put off dating by pre-conceptions. For every bad person there is one good out there - you just have to stay true to yourself and never give up.

Despite the fact that I am a bitter hater myself most of the time, I appreciate the positivity in this post by AmberTS

[BeardedOne]

Just picked that number arbitrarily...lol..


...but we will always be considered Chasers...if you're a regular on this site...if you're a regular at gay bars where the girls hang...if you know more than three girls by name (i made that one up too)....it's just the way it is...

...the girls with good heads on their shoulders sometimes call guys like us that too...but it's not in a mean spirited way...they understand the differences.
...but you do sometimes have to prove yourself a bit more...nothing wrong with that.

and to the guys that want to make a good relationship with a TS last...take her away from the "community" as often as possible...the "community" can become poison to a relationship...not always...but often.

Good and accurate points.

And it's made worse if the guy (I'm speaking from experience here) is so jaded/damaged from previous relationships that trust is almost non-existent. I'm not talking about the classic who/what are you sleeping with tonite variety of jealousy and possessiveness so much as the loss of trust that occurs when you realize that the person you're in a relationship with is not in any way, shape, or form, the person you started out with.

My own situation is twisted by the fact that I am genuinely pansexual and poly as relates to my partners/relationships. Add to that my open view of the adult-entertainment culture (Models, escorts, vid stars, etc.) and it seriously narrows my list of potential long-term mates.

I've often worried about whether or not our ladies here view me as either a chaser or a stalker and have asked them, via chat or in person, how they see me. I'm happy to say that they, unanimously, at least pretend that they are comfortable with me. Still...

True, about the affect of the community on an individual. Tough, that, as it is their individual communities that provide safe haven for most.

My greatest sin, of late, was poisoning a potentially decent friendship with a commercial offer. Not sure who to blame more, myself for making the offer, or the lady for accepting it. I'll say that it's definitely me. I'm old and broken and have so tired of the mating game that any possibility of an express route is fair. Well, to some, an offer of a lot of 'roses' changes the logistics quite a bit. We get on well (So it seems), share some interests, and the mechanics are fucking phenomenal, but with the light of day, I am still nothing more than a client (By my own hand) and that stings a bit.

Heh. Thinking about that a bit...Is it possible that the dysfunctions of some of the guys/fans/chasers/stalkers is a result of the community mind as well?

[ed_jaxon]

If you been with more than two TS in a year that makes you a catcher, not a chaser.

[Odelay]

If you been with more than two TS in a year that makes you a catcher, not a chaser.

LOL

But does the ratio of TS:GG have any effect on the term? Or even TS:Gay men, for that matter.

If the ratio yields infinity, i.e. you're only catching TS's, then that smacks of chasing. If the ratio is closer to 1 then it seems to me you got the playa label going for you.

[alyssaluxor]

its my dream to have a boyfriend, anyone out there?

no drama involve only all good FUCKIN all day and night please *wink wink*

[dderek123]

The best thing about being in a monogamous relationship with a TS besides the day-to-day companionship is the lack of condom use.

[nonnonnon]

its my dream to have a boyfriend, anyone out there?

no drama involve only all good FUCKIN all day and night please *wink wink*

don't you travel the world? I would be lonely :confused:

[Deja Vu]

just give up while ya ahead.

[alyssaluxor]

don't you travel the world? I would be lonely :confused:

i travel around Asia sometimes visit me here and lets FUKC :fuckin:

[AmberTS]

Thank you - someone has to keep up the positivity levels! xx

[youshouldtrythislol]

having never been with a 't'woman, i dont know from experience if it is any more difficult than being in a relationship with a woman, i wouldnt think it would be any more difficult, as long as there is trust, understanding, and love present, the things that any relationship needs.

[phobun]

as long as there is trust, understanding, and love present, the things that any relationship needs.


For many guys here, a breath mint and cash is all they bring to the relationship.

[youshouldtrythislol]

For many guys here, a breath mint and cash is all they bring to the relationship.
yeah, sadly. and the ones that bring mints think they are high class.

[mbf]

its my dream to have a boyfriend, anyone out there?

no drama involve only all good FUCKIN all day and night please *wink wink*

Would you give up the whoring for a sincere bf?

[alyssaluxor]

Would you give up the whoring for a sincere bf?

why not?

but the problem is its just so hard to find the right guy, ive tried the dating scene before when i was still working in the corporate world but most or even 100% of guys are just pure bullshit lol. they said they would marry me and bring me to their country but after 48 years nothing really happened lol

at least now im dating guys and getting donations in return to be able to finance my transition, buy an apartment, a car and help my family. unlike before after they have sex with me all their promises would be broken ewww

:fuckin:

[Deja Vu]

For many guys here, a breath mint and cash is all they bring to the relationship.

ain't no diff than any other fcked up relationship.

"all girls can get from me is hard dick and bubble gum"

[Deja Vu]

why not?

but the problem is its just so hard to find the right guy, ive tried the dating scene before when i was still working in the corporate world but most or even 100% of guys are just pure bullshit lol. they said they would marry me and bring me to their country but after 48 years nothing really happened lol

at least now im dating guys and getting donations in return to be able to finance my transition, buy an apartment, a car and help my family. unlike before after they have sex with me all their promises would be broken ewww

:fuckin:

would u give it up if a dude wanted to commit

[phobun]

would u give it up if a dude wanted to commit


She just indicated yes but the problem is that guys are liars and ultimately won't give the commitment they said they will.

[alyssaluxor]

would u give it up if a dude wanted to commit

why not? but like i said its so hard to find a guy whos really serious and where i could see that he really loves me. all just broken promises and talk talk talk! if you want me to be your girlfriend stop the TALKING and start the FUKCING now!!! lol

:fuckin:

[alyssaluxor]

She just indicated yes but the problem is that guys are liars and ultimately won't give the commitment they said they will.

10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000 % agree

:iagree:

[mbf]

why not? but like i said its so hard to find a guy whos really serious and where i could see that he really loves me. all just broken promises and talk talk talk! if you want me to be your girlfriend stop the TALKING and start the FUKCING now!!! lol

:fuckin:

So you won't get together with an impotent guy?

[alyssaluxor]

So you won't get together with an impotent guy?

OMG another powerbottom scenario, please leave me alone even just for a minute please

kisses
Alyssa Luxor

[mbf]

OMG another powerbottom scenario, please leave me alone even just for a minute please

kisses
Alyssa Luxor

I am not referring to me, these questions are hypothetical.

What about a guy who is a good lover, yet lives on a farm? Would you help with farmwork?

[phobun]

OMG another powerbottom scenario, please leave me alone even just for a minute please


He'll have to cut back on the hormones to really enjoy it when you dress him up and feminize him from the back.

[phobun]

Would you help with farmwork?


If she's the wife, you should be taking care of her. Not making her shovel cow dung.

[alyssaluxor]

I am not referring to me, these questions are hypothetical.

What about a guy who is a good lover, yet lives on a farm? Would you help with farmwork?

sweetie sorry for the confusion i didnt said a powerbottom guy but powerbottom scenario so it means im not referring to you but to the scenario of being with a powerbottom person ;)

with all honestly i wouldnt care about his financial status as long as his a responsible partner. i love the suburb, farms, environment, nature, fresh air... as long as there is LOVE thats it! lol

:fuckin:

[alyssaluxor]

He'll have to cut back on the hormones to really enjoy it when you dress him up and feminize him from the back.

you hit on the nail again my dear!!!

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[mbf]

sweetie sorry for the confusion i didnt said a powerbottom guy but powerbottom scenario so it means im not referring to you but to the scenario of being with a powerbottom person ;)

with all honestly i wouldnt care about his financial status as long as his a responsible partner. i love the suburb, farms, environment, nature, fresh air... as long as there is LOVE thats it! lol

:fuckin:

I know.... thing is I grew up on a farm which my brother now lives on, but in case something bad happens to him I would take his place and carry on with the farming and - though I am not looking currently - I don't rule out a ts partner in the future (bc I have been with one before), I am just testing the waters.

My family has lots of vineyards but no cattle or any other lifestock.

[Deja Vu]

why not? but like i said its so hard to find a guy whos really serious and where i could see that he really loves me. all just broken promises and talk talk talk! if you want me to be your girlfriend stop the TALKING and start the FUKCING now!!! lol

:fuckin:

would u be patient enough if a guy was careful enuff not to make promises he couldn't keep?

[fred41]

....with all honestly i wouldnt care about his financial status as long as his a responsible partner. i love the suburb, farms, environment, nature, fresh air... as long as there is LOVE thats it! lol

:fuckin:

Big time respect for you for saying that...modern marriages and partnerships are based on BOTH people working and taking care of each other.

[BeardedOne]

In the end, you're all still talking about 'LOVE', a four-letter word that was invented to sell greeting cards and Chevrolets. The post office can tell you that no-one sends greeting cards any more and GM is having quite a chore pushing Chevys lately. Do you think that 'LOVE' will fare any better?

The only reason that the American divorce rate is 50% is because the other 50% can't afford the legal fees.

The failure, or impossibility, of a relationship with a T-girl has less to do with the few inches of flesh between her legs as it does with the basic failures in all relationships.

[Deja Vu]

haha...this guy.

[dderek123]

IMHO marriages and relationships don't last because people change over time. Not only that but things change and circumstances change over time. Now with a TS they are changing quite rapidly and sometimes not just their bodies.

The married couples I know of that have survived all the ups and downs seem to enjoy being committed to one another. Not only because of who their partner is but for the basic act of being committed to somebody while they are committed to you. Most of the time these couples get a big mortgage on a nice house and so they are financially committed to each other as well.

[goku]

IMHO marriages and relationships don't last because people change over time. Not only that but things change and circumstances change over time. Now with a TS they are changing quite rapidly and sometimes not just their bodies.

The married couples I know of that have survived all the ups and downs seem to enjoy being committed to one another. Not only because of who their partner is but for the basic act of being committed to somebody while they are committed to you. Most of the time these couples get a big mortgage on a nice house and so they are financially committed to each other as well.

truthfully,

most people aren't successful because their priorities are everywhere but on their relationship. They put everything first, and take that part for granted. Money, possessions, work, and even kids. If you never work on you, then it will not function like it's supposed to.


It's pretty simple really.


If you are in a coma for a couple years, and aren't using your legs, eventually they will wither and die. Relationships are no different. If all you are doing is sleeping next to someone, your relationship will wither and die also. All things work the same way, and people who lose sight of that typically find themselves alone.

[dderek123]

most people aren't successful because their priorities are everywhere but on their relationship. They put everything first, and take that part for granted. Money, possessions, work, and even kids. If you never work on you, then it will not function like it's supposed to.


Yep, people lose sight of what's important. Or what they feel is important changes. I imagine most couples get married with the best of intentions.
But once the going gets tough or they think that the person they married isn't the same anymore those who can afford to just get a divorce.

[dderek123]

Yep, people lose sight of what's important. Or what they feel is important changes. I imagine most couples get married with the best of intentions.
But once the going gets tough or they think that the person they married isn't the same anymore those who can afford to just get a divorce.

Perhaps relationships aren't really supposed to last forever.

[goku]

Perhaps relationships aren't really supposed to last forever.


They are, it's just people have gotten a little out of whack.

This is the "sense of entitlement" era. We expect to not have to work hard for something. Relationships have to be cultivated daily. They are like plants. You have to go out to eat. Go to the movies. Spend time together.

If not, then you end up the same way you are with friends who moved away. After a few quicks laughs about old times, you catch each other up on recent activities, then the convo is over. Why? Because you haven't been cultivating your relationship on a daily basis.

[alyssaluxor]

would u be patient enough if a guy was careful enuff not to make promises he couldn't keep?

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Im tired of bullshit anymore. I dont ever promise things i couldnt do so i also respect that in return. Im a very honest, loving, humble, gorgeous and most of all horny girl and i also expect that in return lol

:fuckin:



Big time respect for you for saying that...modern marriages and partnerships are based on BOTH people working and taking care of each other.

Off course the guy should at least have a job to be able to pay the bills. i also prefer to work for my own to be able to pay my bills also ;)



IMHO marriages and relationships don't last because people change over time. Not only that but things change and circumstances change over time. Now with a TS they are changing quite rapidly and sometimes not just their bodies.

The married couples I know of that have survived all the ups and downs seem to enjoy being committed to one another. Not only because of who their partner is but for the basic act of being committed to somebody while they are committed to you. Most of the time these couples get a big mortgage on a nice house and so they are financially committed to each other as well.

so TRUE! most guys ive dated ive noticed first date they are very nice but after they SUCK my COCK they will just become cold already and no meet ups again lol

[goku]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Im tired of bullshit anymore. I dont ever promise things i couldnt do so i also respect that in return. Im a very honest, loving, humble, gorgeous and most of all horny girl and i also expect that in return lol

:fuckin:




Off course the guy should at least have a job to be able to pay the bills. i also prefer to work for my own to be able to pay my bills also ;)




so TRUE! most guys ive dated ive noticed first date they are very nice but after they SUCK my COCK they will just become cold already and no meet ups again lol


Not all guys are like that Alyssa.


However, smart guys assess the situation, and play to it accordingly. If I see girl who is always out at the bar, or just has a crazy lifestyle, she goes in the "Ass Only" box. I understand fully that she will be at the bar also, when I am trying to spend quality time with her. You can't change people.

However, if I see a girl is well rounded, and actually comes out in the light of day and does regular life shit, then she goes in the "relationship" box.

I will never put myself in a situation where I am chasing a girl who doesn't wanna be caught.

[lisaparadise]

Perhaps relationships aren't really supposed to last forever.i have to agree i dont think they last forever simply because were on this earth to learn and after awhile in every relationship we all stop learning.as far as i know humans are the only species that stays with there original mate i suspect religeon plays a big part but i know for myself i love being able to have sexual relations from multiple partners especially at the same time lol but maybe i havent found the one but for now im just happy being me.

[onmyknees]

I think that's one of the most timely, relevant, revealing posts I've read on HA. When I first joined, I was thinking that type of discussion would predominate here, but it obviously doesn't. I enjoy the humor and there's some pretty witty people in here, and on occasion the political discussions are engaging, but there are a thousand political blogs out there. Although I hesitate to generalize, you're spot on about the drama, and mistrust, of many T ladies, and unlike many on here, I'm drama averse. LOL. I have come to a better understanding of some of the reasons for the ladies caution and apprehension, but I do find it exhausting at times. I admire you had the balls to put your feelings out there, in an attempt to further an honest dialogue. I also enjoyed some of the ladies responses.

[phobun]

truthfully,

most people aren't successful because their priorities are everywhere but on their relationship. They put everything first, and take that part for granted. Money, possessions, work, and even kids. If you never work on you, then it will not function like it's supposed to.


It's pretty simple really.


If you are in a coma for a couple years, and aren't using your legs, eventually they will wither and die. Relationships are no different. If all you are doing is sleeping next to someone, your relationship will wither and die also. All things work the same way, and people who lose sight of that typically find themselves alone.


They are, it's just people have gotten a little out of whack.

This is the "sense of entitlement" era. We expect to not have to work hard for something. Relationships have to be cultivated daily. They are like plants. You have to go out to eat. Go to the movies. Spend time together.

If not, then you end up the same way you are with friends who moved away. After a few quicks laughs about old times, you catch each other up on recent activities, then the convo is over. Why? Because you haven't been cultivating your relationship on a daily basis.


These are wise words.

[pointblack]

I once met a transdog who own a transworm

[dderek123]

Yeah wise words goku. You are spot on as usual.

So people are too distracted by their lifestyles to put enough work in to maintain a relationship. Perhaps that is why back in the day relationships lasted because most people didn't have the means to pursue a lifestyle that would distract them from the important relationships in their life.

[south09]

Yeah wise words goku. You are spot on as usual.

So people are too distracted by their lifestyles to put enough work in to maintain a relationship. Perhaps that is why back in the day relationships lasted because most people didn't have the means to pursue a lifestyle that would distract them from the important relationships in their life.

This, and what's important to people has by-and-large changed too.

Nowadays, so many people want all their ducks to be in a row before they add a relationship partner to their lives. They want to be finished with school, entrenched in a career, own a home/vehicle, and maybe date/sleep around a bit so they don't have a half-occupied bed all 365 days of the year. This is the first generation that has de-prioritized true relationship-building to this degree, and the quality/length/authenticity of relationships suffers for it. It's hard to connect with someone who has you so far down on their list of priorities, and the further into life you get alone, the less likely you'd be willing to accommodate a second person into your routine.

Before, you grew together with somebody. Maybe both of you had an undergrad-mobile, neither of you owned a home, maybe one of you planned to go to post-graduate school. The working partner held it down for the school partner financially, a home was purchased together after you both began working, one car was replaced with a family vehicle, then the other with something a bit more fun... your relationship lasted, because at every real step of the way, you had someone else by your side.

The fact that I connect with older women (all of the above is just more likely to be) and that I'm attracted to TS women as well (needle in a haystack) pretty much has me wedged between a rock and Travis Henry's boxers.

[dderek123]

So things will continue this way until we have to do other wise. Until we have to rely on one another. Life is good enough right now that we can say: "Fuck relationships I'm getting mine first".

[goku]

Everyone read this................


Once the "ready made" philosophy of life drifted over into society it was over.

People are told at an early age to go and get a person with (fill in the blank). So, instead of finding a person they like, they hunt for a person who has the shit they deem makes them a success. Then they try to make that person work for them as far as chemistry of personality/attraction goes.

At the end of the day, when it all crumbles around you, it comes down to the foundation of a relationship. You can build the biggest, most beautiful house you want on sand, however, when the sand shifts, that house will crumble.

Find a person who fits you, and build an empire together. Step by step, brick by brick. When hard times come, and they always do, you will find that the house not rushed together, and built on a strong foundation, will not crumble when the winds blow. Quit worrying about what job they have, people change those things multiple times through life. If the two of you throw into the pot without selfishness, you will be surprised how much you can do TOGETHER. That has been lost on a lot of people.

[Kevin Dong]

Everyone read this................


Once the "ready made" philosophy of life drifted over into society it was over.

People are told at an early age to go and get a person with (fill in the blank). So, instead of finding a person they like, they hunt for a person who has the shit they deem makes them a success. Then they try to make that person work for them as far as chemistry of personality/attraction goes.

At the end of the day, when it all crumbles around you, it comes down to the foundation of a relationship. You can build the biggest, most beautiful house you want on sand, however, when the sand shifts, that house will crumble.

Find a person who fits you, and build an empire together. Step by step, brick by brick. When hard times come, and they always do, you will find that the house not rushed together, and built on a strong foundation, will not crumble when the winds blow. Quit worrying about what job they have, people change those things multiple times through life. If the two of you throw into the pot without selfishness, you will be surprised how much you can do TOGETHER. That has been lost on a lot of people.

Awesome post Goku. You sound like a very level headed and intellectual guy.
I agree 100%. Well done.