The Hate Mongers Among Us.

[Rogers]

"As the “how” of hate mongering becomes transparent, its common source will become apparent. With transparency comes accountability."
http://criminalstate.com/2010/09/the-hate-mongers-among-us-first-in-a-4-part-series/

YouTube - (1/4) The Hate Mongers Among Us (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxnbngV_zOg)

[Rogers]

"But with the hunt for the elusive bin Laden having already cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, perhaps Americans should demand conclusive proof that Israel hasn’t conned them into fighting a phoney “war on terror.”"
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26164.htm

YouTube - Bin Laden is Dead, Long Live Bin Laden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Col1EC4naKE)

[Rogers]

"Unless Americans soon realize that they’ve been deceived by those for whom “American greatness” is merely a means to advance “the survival of the state of Israel,” that legacy promises to be an enduring one."
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/kristol-clear-the-source-of-america%E2%80%99s-wars/

http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Kristol_William

KEEP AMERICA SCARED:
http://www.keepamericasafe.com/

YouTube - The Source of America's Wars - Kristol Clear (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBCxYicxTow)

[Rogers]

"But it also conveniently confirms the Islamophobic propaganda of the likes of Daniel Pipes who try to scare Americans into fighting Israel’s wars with dire warnings that the Muslims are coming."
http://original.antiwar.com/cathail/2010/05/10/from-shas-to-hamas/

YouTube - From Shas to Hamas - The Fake South Park Hate Preacher Group (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEzwJDjdzAo)

[Rogers]

IS ISRAEL CONTROLLING PHONY TERROR NEWS?
"Who says Al Qaeda takes credit for a bombing? Rita Katz. Who gets us bin Laden tapes? Rita Katz. Who gets us pretty much all information telling us Muslims are bad? Rita Katz?"

"Can we prove that SITE Intelligence is the Mossad? No. Would a reasonable person assume it is? Yes."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/12/30/is-israel-controlling-phony-terror-news/

Rita Katz would find Amelia Earhart, bigfoot, AND the tooth fairy... if Israel benefited from it. ;)

YouTube - Fake Al Qaeda Actors EXPOSED! Adam Gadahn & Yousef al-Khattab (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0)

[russtafa]

Some people realy hate jews on this site .I find this very disturbing coming from left wing liberals

[Rogers]

Some people realy hate jews on this site .I find this very disturbing coming from left wing liberals

This from the guy who pretty much vomits hatred with every post he writes.

"That’s when you can watch for hate to emerge yet again to shield those who hide behind the toxic charge of “anti-Semitism.”"
http://criminalstate.com/2010/09/the-hate-mongers-among-us-first-in-a-4-part-series/
YouTube - "It's a Trick, We Always Use It." (calling people "anti-Semitic") (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA)

[russtafa]

Im not an anti semite i just dont like people who hide their lies

[circ]

I'm not a racist, some of my best friends are negroes.

[PomonaCA]

I'm not a racist, some of my best friends are negroes.


lol you butchered that, dude. It supposed to say-


I'm not racist! Some of my best slaves are black!

[circ]

Hilarious.

[PomonaCA]

Hilarious.


Have you tried the chicken soft tacos at Del Taco? They are pretty good.

[hippifried]

I've lived in the southwest all my life, & I'd never heard of Del Taco til I took a trip to Atlanta. I grew up on Mexican food. If I want good tacos, I look for those little Mexican streetcorner vendors with the umbrella. If there isn't one of those handy, there's some "berto" somewhere (Filiberto's, Roberto's, Egberto's, etc...).

[Niccolo]

Some people realy hate jews on this site .I find this very disturbing coming from left wing liberals
That's absolutely to be expected.

YouTube - Jamie Glazov: United in Hate - the Left's Romance with Tyranny and Terror (3 of 4) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uKmDNyKFjw)

[circ]

Ah the tired old anti-semitic hate tirade. Can't you differentiate between the Israeli state and jews?

[russtafa]

No i can't,it's a very small country trying to defend itself with enemies all around it lol

[hippifried]

Yeah! & they worked really hard to develop all those enemies. Now the whole world wants to deprive them of their fun. It's a horrible anti-semitic plot.

[russtafa]

Hippie is a true anti-semitic and would love to see Israel's down fall and millions killed

[hippifried]

Not at all. I just understand what all this really is. It's a 5000 plus year old intrafamily feud over a bowl of soup & an argument over who Mom liked best. The Palistinians & Israelis are all the descendents of Isaac. They're all Semites.

[yodajazz]

Not at all. I just understand what all this really is. It's a 5000 plus year old intrafamily feud over a bowl of soup & an argument over who Mom liked best. The Palistinians & Israelis are all the descendents of Isaac. They're all Semites.
Wasn't that Abraham? And the argument was over who dad liked best. (Same argument as between me and you).

I acutally have another reason for this post. I read the comments on a news article and members of the Pakistani Army who have been fighting to clear an area in the border area of Afghanistan, of suspected Taliban, and others hostile to the central government. Six were killed in a roadside bomb in an area, that was previously seen as having been made safe.

My point is that in 9 out of 10, comments, people were unable to understand that those who died, were helping to support US goals. I read about 50 or sixty comments. And each of the negative comments had approval ratings of like 10 to zero. many of the comments felt that it was good that Muslims were killing each other, with no sympathy towards those who died. I believe were in deep trouble, if we cannot distinguish our friends from our enemies.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are elements in Pakistan, that are aiding the Taliban. But the nation, through the national government, is a needed ally. If large amounts of the public cant understand this, then I say Bin Laden is winning. The goal in any war, is to weaken public support for your enemies potential allies. When did that principle change? Of course, it never changed. So shouldn't the US be trying to win "The War on Terror", even though the name has been changed, to protect the guilty?

And incidently, one of the article's commenters, said he had a Muslim Doctor, who had saved his life. The doctor, had told him about the peacefully type statements in the Koran, and said that he lived by those statements. The post had many more negative ratings than positve. If a peaceful Muslim, who saved the life of an American, is viewed as negative, what's positive, besides death and destruction? Hate is an effective political tool, but ...

[hippifried]

Wasn't that Abraham? And the argument was over who dad liked best. (Same argument as between me and you).

Abe was grandpa. Esau & Jacob (AKA Israel) were the sons of Isaac. Isaac, being Abraham's only unabandoned son, is the common ancestor of both the Palistinians & Israelis. (according to claims from both sides anyway) The peninsular Arabs claim descendence from Ishmael, Isaac's half brother, who was left behind with his mother (Hagar) at what is now Mecca. That makes Abraham the ancestor of the entire region. Like I said, "intra-family feud".

Isaac was just being traditional by attempting to bestow his blessing on the first born son. It was Rebekah (Mom) who sent Esau off on a wild goose chase (or wild venison as the case may be) & disguised Jacob so he/they could pull off the lie to claim birthright.

I'm pretty sure Dad couldn't help butt like me best, irrespective of tradition. Butt then again, at my age, I could almost be daddy to just about anyone in here.:whistle:


BS aside: The Taliban isn't going anywhere. They've been around a long time. The Brits butted heads with them about a century ago. Who won that one? They're part of the Afghan fabric. Unraveling the sweater doesn't patch the hole. They have to be dealt into the game.

We never knew who the enemy was/is over there. We just make it up as it goes. The Taliban didn't attack us on 9/11, & they were out of power before any US ground troops actually invaded. Whether you're for or against the effort to drag Afghanistan into the modern world, we still have no idea who's who over there. Karzai's already negotiating with the Taliban. We will too.

[yodajazz]

Abe was grandpa. Esau & Jacob (AKA Israel) were the sons of Isaac. Isaac, being Abraham's only unabandoned son, is the common ancestor of both the Palistinians & Israelis. (according to claims from both sides anyway) The peninsular Arabs claim descendence from Ishmael, Isaac's half brother, who was left behind with his mother (Hagar) at what is now Mecca. That makes Abraham the ancestor of the entire region. Like I said, "intra-family feud".

Isaac was just being traditional by attempting to bestow his blessing on the first born son. It was Rebekah (Mom) who sent Esau off on a wild goose chase (or wild venison as the case may be) & disguised Jacob so he/they could pull off the lie to claim birthright.

I'm pretty sure Dad couldn't help butt like me best, irrespective of tradition. Butt then again, at my age, I could almost be daddy to just about anyone in here.:whistle:


BS aside: The Taliban isn't going anywhere. They've been around a long time. The Brits butted heads with them about a century ago. Who won that one? They're part of the Afghan fabric. Unraveling the sweater doesn't patch the hole. They have to be dealt into the game.

We never knew who the enemy was/is over there. We just make it up as it goes. The Taliban didn't attack us on 9/11, & they were out of power before any US ground troops actually invaded. Whether you're for or against the effort to drag Afghanistan into the modern world, we still have no idea who's who over there. Karzai's already negotiating with the Taliban. We will too.

It was Abraham's son by Hagar, Ismael, who is said to be the father of Arab nations. It's in the Koran.
http://www.womeninthebible.net/1.2.Hagar.htm
So then Jews and Arabs are half brothers.

[hippifried]

It was Abraham's son by Hagar, Ismael, who is said to be the father of Arab nations. It's in the Koran.
http://www.womeninthebible.net/1.2.Hagar.htm
So then Jews and Arabs are half brothers.
"Peninsular" Arabs. Modern Arabs are Arabs because they speak Arabic, & they stretch from Morrocco to Iraq. Palistinians are descended from Esau, & Esau & Jacob (AKA Israel) were fraternal twins. They aren't the only twins in lore who fought over birthright. Stories get around. I can't help but wonder if that's why other heirarchical "civilizations" had so many stories, & customs, of separating twins at birth, banishing them, or killing them outright by various means. We only hear about & dwell on the survival stories. This one, Castor & Polux, Paris & Cassandra, Romulus & Remus, & various other & sundry incestuous tales of gallant woe.

Butteye digress:
Hagar, in the Torah (& therefore the Bible & all the theological lore that ensues) is called the handmaiden of Sarah. All these guys had multiple wives. We only hear about the ones who bore sons. How many daughters did Sarah have? She was gettin' a bit long in the tooth. Could Hagar have been one of those daughters? Maybe she was a newer wife that got picked up along the way & had a lower status in the (hen) pecking order. Not so once she bore the first son. That would be Ishmael. (I've always seen it spelled with an "H", but I haven't bothered to read all 3 translations of the Qur'an.) When Sarah finally popped out a boy, being first wife, she insisted that hubby get rid of the competition. Sarah wanted them killed. But young Ishmael had found a wet spot under the sand. So Abraham dug out & developed the well, & left them there to fend. That well, still producing water, is the site of the holy mosque at Mecca. The enshrinement predates Muhammad.

The point is that there didn't seem to be too much of a premium put on women. Heirarchical male dominance, combined with the discovery of paternity, created a huge change in the social structures throughout northern Afro-Eurasia. Maybe I'm wrong, but it just seems that the more primitive the society, the more respect women, the vessels of life, get. It's the Judaic tradition that first gives the creator (the giver or bringer of life itself) a mateless male persona. Everybody else has some kind of Yin & Yang thing going on, but not the Judeo/Christian/Muslim religion. Just something to think about.